There are also some nice animations in slow motion that might be helpful to you. Good luck! One more thing for what it is worth, my BIL is an artist and he has a few guns and enjoys target shooting. Food for thought…that one thing (being an artist) does not always follow from another (“…since I‘m an artist…”)! 😄
@@Gilgamesh347 Oh thank you. I did watch some other animations as well which were great for understanding, it's been seven months now so I think I've gathered enough know how about pistols as I wanted. And your BIL sounds like a cool person 😁
@@blissfu_lee8522 He is very cool. He “Paints with light” or as he calls it, “sculpts with light” using photography. Over the last few decades, his work shifted from pre-production prep work to post-production work on a PC using Photoshop. But using fiber optics and flashlights to “place” the light, versus refraction/reflection from flash or other light source, yields very different images from what one would think was a familiar object. Kudos to you for doing the research as the other poster above indicated. You are indeed dedicated to your craft. I wish I was more artistic. I am a stick figure guy.
@@Gilgamesh347 Thank you 😄 painting and sculpting is indeed an amazing art, I am more a painter myself so I can attest. I am doing what I can to be the best I can be at several things.
You two folks make an entertaining duo for these videos the way you guys get along, I think I'm not the only one who would tune in on more videos with the two of you in them.
Great video! Like the brand of gun you choose to carry (i.e. HK, M&P, Sig, Walther or a Glock etc.); hammer or striker fire pistols is one's "personal" preference!
Striker pros: Weight Often better capacity, especially for size/weight (no mainspring housing, etc.) Fewer parts break and less often (fewer parts total) Easier to takedown and work on Durable and less prone to debris interference Consistent trigger Fewer controls/simple More snag proof (no exposed hammer or extra controls) Don’t have to remember to decock after each string of fire Less expensive, typically No thumb safety (typically) Pros of TDA: No thumb safety (typically) to depress Maybe “safer?” initial trigger (but far less “safe” after that) Can hold down on hammer while hostering Light/crisp and short single-action trigger after first shot Pros of single-action: Light/crisp and short trigger (1911 has an inherent design advantage)
When I first started shooting, I started with revolvers. With my revolvers, I got used to manually cocking and de-cocking my handguns. My first semi-automatic was a striker-fire. I missed the manually cocking and de-cocking. I also missed being able to look at the hammer position to tell if the gun was cocked. Also, since I still shoot revolvers and since I like my handguns to have similar ergonomics, all the semi-automatics I purchased after my first one were hammer-fired.
I prefer the Kahr striker design that partially cocks the striker in battery, then uses the trigger pressure to load the striker fully then releases it to fire the pistol. The Kahr double action trigger is about the smoothest of its type on the market.
I have a Sig Sauer P226 (the same gun the navy seals use). I love this gun because unlike an old school 1911, it has a de-cocker. Meaning I can load a round in the chamber and de-cock the gun and be totally safe. The 10 pound pull on the hammer makes up for it. There is no way the gun is going to go bang unless I put that force in there. But with every striker fire pistol I have (glock, Sig, and S&W), in the safety manual it states you should never carry round in the chamber. I asked some of the makers why they put that, and they stated well they stated, if the firing pin spring breaks, then the gun is going to automatically discharge and you wouldn't want that.
Striker fired weapons without manual safety’s are not safe to cary outside of a holster. That’s why the most common gun in America for fatal negligent discharges is a glock pistol. Mag capacity is the same across the board. My beretta m9a3 carries 17 plus 1 in the chamber plus the beretta plus 2 mag plate. That’s 20 rounds. It’s called quality. You want Chinese imported plastic or Italian steel. That’s why there’s a significant price gap in between the two. But Americans will always try to justify themselves being cheap and spending less and claim it’s the same quality. It isn’t. It’s like arguing a Pontiac is the same quality’s as a Porsche. There is a reason why the price tag 🏷 is what it is.
I have not found many out of the box striker fire triggers that behave as nicely as a hammer trigger. After you find the 'wall' there will be no travel and a nice crisp break with short reset.
Now if my XDs has a chambered round, Is the striker back? If yes, how difficult would it be to convert the back of the slide to create a striker indicator? Springfield should be able to supply a longer striker and back plate with the hole in it, or instructions to drill a hole? I like my XDs as is, however supplying a grip zone frame for it would be a plus.
So for a car guy it's like an LS vs a Coyote or a 2JZ vs RB26. But for someone like myself that's trying to choose my first pistol would you recommend one over the other (hammer vs striker)?
I found out last weekend that i prefer striker fired pistols for real world combat handguns. I have a Rossi M88 .38 spl that fell out of a test horizontal shoulder holster that then landed on its un cocked hammer on the sink. Now the single action mode in the gun does not work, just the double action full pull works I am lucky that works at all. There you go guys, something to think about. This more than likely would not of happened to a striker fired gun. Its hard to find or pay for a gunsmith in a fire fight.
One advantage of a hammer fire vs. striker fired weapon is the external safety specific to open carry/Law enforcement if a gun is snatched from a LEO's holster and turned on that LEO, the engaged external safety will prevent the gun from firing and save the LEO's life. Quite a few LEO's are killed by their own weapon as I'm sure you all know. I remember reading an article quite a few years ago where the writer did a test at a gun range with 5 different guns, all loaded some with external safety's some not and even a revolver. During this test he put all the guns under a hankerchief (again they were at a range all guns were loaded) so the shooter couldn't see the actual weapon. The writer then timed the shooter (once he pulled off the hankerchief) could grab the gun and successfully fire the weapon at the target. Remember these are experienced shooters. As you'd expect the revolver and striker fired pistols were all picked up and shot within 1 second. But when it came to the external safety guns all of which had their external safety's engaged (I think one was a S&W one was a 1919) it took much, much longer and in fact after the first trigger pull with no discharge, all the shooters attempted to rack the slide back, to put in another round thinking it was a misfire. They averaged 10-15 seconds (1 person just gave up) before they could successfully fire a gun. That 10-15 seconds could mean your life. Again this is for open carry folks only.Just a thought.
Trying to understand guns more, so on the 1911 what's the difference between fully cocking the weapon the way he does in the video vs just pulling the hammer back?
No mention of a DASA? Come on...if somebody is learning something new by watching this video they need to be told about a DA SA pistol in which case hammer down is absolutely "ready to fire" this is actually my preferred method of carry - DASA, chambered, no safety, hammer down.
@@paulkearns100 good point, dude has no clue what he's talking about and probably either doesn't own a weapon or owns one and has no clue how they work nor the difference between SA and DA.
Me too; but my CZ 75 SPO-1 Tactical has a de-cocker that leaves the first trigger pull range about half way between double and single action, which is nice for carry. The pull is still long enough that it affords a level of safety similar to a revolver.
@@Kawmbat_Veteran yikes - why the need to be so rude? the title of the video is hammer vs striker fire. there are any number of hammer fired pistols other than the 1911. that's probably why he referenced a da sa pistols, ie - guns other than the 1911
I love my DA Beretta PX4 Storm Subcompact .40 But I carry an XDS .45 3.3 daily. Shoots amazing and sometimes I forget I’m even wearing it because it’s so thin and light. I guess that’s the reason they can’t keep them on the shelves.
I love the 1911 but it's hard to dismiss the greater round capacity, lighter weight and the superior reliability you get in a modern striker fired platform. I had a longslide 10mm 1911 I tuned from top to bottom and still had reliability issues, so I sold it and purchased an XDM OSP 10mm and from the first round through the thousandth not one hiccup. The XDM eats and cycles everything and I've not spent one minute tuning or polishing anything.
I like this comparison and I like folks who can agree to disagree. PS ... I just picked up a Xde. I need to shoot and try it out. I like smoked EEL better than caviar.
In the slow motion firing at the end of the video the gentleman with the striker fired pistol removed his finger completely from the trigger between each single action shot. His preference and why?
From a mechanical standpoint it seems to me that a hammer fired pistol is a more solid design, and the only advantage of the striker fired pistol over the hammer fired one is that it's obviously a lot cheaper to make, especially if you consider the plastic frames. No matter how strong the plastics are they look cheap even the Glocks. You can make pistols out of plastics but there is nothing like a well made all steel hammer fired pistol.
PleaseDontWatchThese So what's the point in comparing them? I just stated my preference and opinion. I wish these "expert" videos would point out why one or the other is superior or what's the reason for the different designs.
Which requires less spring force in poundage (lbs)? For example a hammer in da/sa pistol requires a certain # of lbs of tension to work reliably without ruining other aspects like the trigger pull or cycling. I imagine the same applies to striker fired guns. But again which one requires less tension in lbs?
There's something about a 1911 style pistol that I can't put my finger on. It has style and mojo unlike most other handguns. However, in 2016, in my humble opinion, polymer framed, striker fired pistols are 100% the superior firearms. More capacity, consistent triggers, no safeties to worry about, simpler takedown, nearly equal accuracy, lighter weight, better reliability and toughness that's been tested time and time again to be damn near indestructible under even the most extreme conditions.
Simply put its just a very pretty gun. I hear that all the time when discussing a 1911. Even when made to be more compact the look of them is still pretty. It is also one of the most customized handguns. Sure you can do a few things to a glock but it will never really change the appearance of the glock. with the 1911 you have options to make the gun suit your taste as far as looks go from beaver tail grip safeties to triggers with the holes in them, to even slides that have been etched or engraved. A 1911 will always be a pretty looking gun and has been around so long now that people grow up with the 1911 in mind when they first think of a handgun. From a cosmetic design stand point John Browning out did himself.
An exposed striker allows the ability to gum the striker in its channel from over cleaning.I had a 1st Gen XD,ftf on me twice in 50rds and that's what Springfield said was the reason "OVER CLEANING ".SINCE,I've only owned hammer fired pistols but I think I'm gunna give the FNS a shot at a compact
I have always thought all bolt action rifles use strikers NOT firing pins. And it's a misnomer that bolt action rifles use "firing pins". Strikers use the direct force from the spring behind to launch them forward. It's also not new in pistols, Luger P08 uses a cupped striker.
The striker fire had 18 rounds vs. 9 rounds for the hammer fire. There are 18 round in hammer fire guns too. To me the only difference is one is single action only and the other can shoot both double AND single action.
Sig Sauer P229 or Glock 19 (or a Glock 32) ...even a good ol' .38 snub only holds 5 shots, but is dependable & good for self protection & very easy to keep hiden...although glock 19 9mm isn't much bigger, very dependable, & holds 16 rounds (15 in the mag. 1 in the chamber).
2 points for hammer fired 1-double action help you if bullet has not been hit probably you can pull again. 2-you don’t need the gun to be loaded all the time on double action gun.
The CZ75 is an improvement over the 1911. Some hammer guns use decockers not safeties. The fully cocked hammer is not exactly the equivalent of the striker which is only 3/4 cocked. Most triggers on hammer guns are better.
I have both hammer and striker fired guns,,, prefer the striker fired, ONLY because hammer fired occasionally blows back spent powder in my eyes. I realize that in a critical situation, adrenaline may make this problem less important, but I prefer not to have my eyes assaulted everytime I shoot my weapon!! Especially on a range day, where I may put a few hundred rounds through each weapon.
I've shot many hammer fired and striker fired pistols. I like both EXCEPT the 1911 style. Dont get me wrong... I like 1911's, just not for carry. I carried a Glock 19, Canik TP9, and a S&W SD9VE for a long time as well as an Arcus 98DAC, and a Taurus PT1911. I currently carry a Sig Sauer SP2022. I prefer any handgun to be SA/DA. I have a Taurus PT140 Pro, the Sig, and my Canik. They are all SA/DA with hammers and strikers. Only the hammer fired Sig, and the striker fired Canik have decockers.
Frank Parker I have metal framed guns they're heavier but jab whether recoil absorption I have a lot of plastic guns though and they perform just as well and req less oiling but the main thing is they're cheaper and not by a small amount I mean if you want the best polymer gun you can get its gonna cost under 1000$ were as a metal gun if you can even upgrade it its gonna cost 1600$ plus I'm talking about comp specs so calm down glocks fanboys that will say it's gonna cost 600 dollars blah blah blah anyways with that 600 dollar saving in 9mm at least that's basicly the amount of ammo you will shoot through that gun so that's a lot of money in the long run not to mention you can very easily at home fix modern polymer pistols not so much for metal they're just designed differently.
I like shooting both for fun, but defense/tactical carry is it's own situation. One benefit of stiker fired is less opportunity to get hung up on exterior junk like clothing, fingers, and sand/dirt, whatever. However, there are different variations of striker fired, of which Glock I think still maintains superiority. They are a little ugly but the most reliable, safe, and easiest to repair or replace/cannibalize parts if ever needed. Glock has 1 external trigger safety (I call' em trigger tongues) and 2 or 3 internal safeties that make them the most safe carry pistol to carry with chambered round, but also the fastest and most 'dumbass-moment-proof' to engage an enemy with. A Glock is basically the closest thing to carrying a high capacity, double-barrel revolver with an external trigger safety (which I'd love to have actually lol, just for fun...). But a Glock is more ergonomic, smaller/easier to conceal, and less likely to get fowled up in dirt/sand/hang-up conditions.
Nice vid...like all other. I have one question about striker fire mechanism? How durable are firing pins in comparising with hammer fired at dry firing? Tnx
thebigitchy Im asking because i have Star BM wich is hammer fired pistol and i changed firing pin couple times even i didn't dry fired too much. When in dry training i would put piece of rubber hose into back of slide where hammer hit firing pin to protect pin. But i was shooting that BM a lot with live ammo so firing pin would broke after a while. Now retired my BM and bought XDm so if i don`t have snapcap im a bit concerned about dry fire that gun. I know i can`t compare those two guns but....
+Emil7773 My experience with the XD, is that you shouldn't worry about dry firing damaging the striker. But of course, if you feel better using snap caps, then do that, too.
well, main point made was it's personal preference and i think that's true. i like'em all. however, i also think i prefer a DA/SA a little more like a Sig 229 / Sig 226 because starting on the 2nd round it's fast as hell if you wanna fire it that fast. striker fire is slower. just depends on what ya like personally.
Isn't the striker fire pistol more EFFICIENT than the 1911 because the trigger releases the firing pin in the former, whereas the hammer strikes the firing pin in the latter?
What about a light trigger pull on a cocked hammer for first shot accuracy. One accurately placed shot can make all the difference. Viva the hammer fired pistols. I own 4. I don;t own a singe striker fired pistol but I do own a Ruger PC Charger.
WITH A 1911 SERIES 80 TRIGGER, HAVING ONE IN THE CHAMBER AND HAMMER DOWN SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR A FALSE DISCHARGE WITH FIRING PIN SAFETY??? THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL WHAT DO YOU SAY.
I AM SHOUTING FROM THE ROOF TOPS MAD AS HELL NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE PLUS FASTER TOO TYPE. IF THAT BOTHERS YOU THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE SHEEPLE THAT ARE ASLEEP. SO MANY ARE, THAT IS WHY WE, USA, WORLD, HAS BEEN NOW SINCE JFK ANF EISENHOWER SAID "BE WARY OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. GOD BLESS.
what you really have to ask which has is more accuracy on the first shot ? a single action mode for your first shot or double action when you going against another human being who trying to kill you ? mmm 4lbs vs 8 to 10 lbs of tigger pull
frigging advert for Springfields !! your comparing a modern striker fired pistol with a single action auto pistol, you might as well compare it with a single action revolver !!! Bollocks guys and you know it !!!
Hi everyone. I'm a first time user. Thinking of buying a gun. I am left handed. My wife is right handed. I am considering buying One gun for both of us. Is there a benefit to owning striker or hammer for first time users?
I think striker fired is your best bet. One thing that can throw off a shot is hammer fall. Pistols have short sight planes. Consequently, aim is easier to spoil. I recently purchased a carbine. Not as easy to throw off, and, under stress, easier to shoot accurately. Hope this helps.
THE HAMMER FIRE HAS ONE BIG THING THAT STRIKER HAS NOT , LONG RANGE MODE , PUT IT ON SINGLE ACTION AND YOU COULD REACH AND TOUCH SOMEONE IF SOMEONE THAT ATTACK YOU IS RUNNING AWAY
All guns are trigger fired. You press the trigger-the gun fires. What you call the gadget that strikes/activates the primer is irrelevant. This is a fabricated issue without merit.
Aweful shooting demonstration. Shooting the XDM, the shooter appears to have no knowledge of proper trigger control. Having been properly trained, I have learned to capture the trigger and release only to the reset "click" before firing subsequent shots. This greatly increases accuracy as there is no slack to take up, which allows for faster sight alignment and sight picture (alignment iof sights to the target). Wagging your trigger finger like a dog's tail is an accuracy killer.
While I do see your point and agree I believe they were going for speed instead of accuracy in that instance in order to prove the point about the capacity.
+Wolfly Loyals, The point I was making was that it is much faster to capture the trigger, release it forward just far enough to reset the trigger (1/8" on a 1911 and perhaps 1/2" on an XDM) and squeeze. You never leave contact with the trigger, no need to reacquire the trigger, and no need to take the slack out as reset is clean and short on these two pistols. The result is much faster and more accurate follow-up shots.
actually rob Latham is a world champion pistol shooter and he does not ride the reset of the gun...nor does he teach elite military units to ride the reset....he teaches "any way you can manipulate the trigger without taking your sights off of the target is a good way" method...so save your internet instructor rhetoric...there's a reason Robbie Latham's nickname in the gun community is "the legend"
+Enter Iowa's Outdoors --- Absolutely and also hilarious. Keyboard warriors and badasses trying to tell the legend, and anyone he deems worthy of doing a video with, how to shoot! Too funny!
never lower a hammer on a loaded chamber? I find this interesting, not only because it is wrong, but because my mom is a field operations instructor for the FBI and they are told to ALWAYS have the hammer lowered regardless of if the chamber is loaded. She said that the agents are trained (the agents have to carry a handgun all the time btw) to in fact load the chamber then put the gun in the double action mode. This ensure that the agent will know exactly that they want to shoot when they shoot. Also, from an engineers standpoint, the entire POINT of a single/double action pistol is so that you can have the double action shot as your first shot if you need to. God you guys are dumb. This is why I don't buy springfield....
Also a 1911 with the hammer down and round in chamber could fire if dropped or something impacted the hammer by other means... the safety prevents this by blocking the hammer so it cant make contact on the firing pin.
I am though. I am an electrical engineer. Also, notice how I said that people that train people in the military also say to lower the hammer that way. Granted, there used to be a time where people used to say to never lower the hammer like that due to a misfire or something like that. That was back when the number one gun used in the world was a revolver that had a hammer that rested directly on the firing pin and could jump when experiencing trauma. Those guns didn't have safety's. They didn't have pin locks or drop safetys or anything. Guns built since the 60's now have spring loaded mechanisms that protect against things like that. You can leave a bullet in the chamber with the hammer directly on the firing pin and nothing will happen. Many people have tested this. Demo ranch has even shot a gun with a 50 cal and a bullet loaded in a chamber under different circumstances and never have they ever got the bullet to fire. Mattv2099 has done these tests too. If you have decock your gun and it is a well made gun or a gun worth buying, it will NOT fire under very special circumstances like exposed to enough heat to make the gunpowder explode or something outside the guns operations. If Springfield is saying that their guns will fire with the hammer down after a gun is dropped or whatever, I would not want to risk my life by buying a Springfield. I am pretty sure their guns do have a firing pin block though. Its just sad a springfield tech doesnt know these simple things
1911's do not have a firing pin block. This is why they are complete garbage and unsafe. However, the Kimber models do. I own 4 of those myself. One of those has accidentally fallen over 5 stories and didn't go off.
I don't have anything to do with guns, since I'm an artist and just wanted to know how they work so I can draw them better. Very informative!
Great dedication to your craft.
There are also some nice animations in slow motion that might be helpful to you. Good luck! One more thing for what it is worth, my BIL is an artist and he has a few guns and enjoys target shooting. Food for thought…that one thing (being an artist) does not always follow from another (“…since I‘m an artist…”)! 😄
@@Gilgamesh347 Oh thank you. I did watch some other animations as well which were great for understanding, it's been seven months now so I think I've gathered enough know how about pistols as I wanted.
And your BIL sounds like a cool person 😁
@@blissfu_lee8522 He is very cool. He “Paints with light” or as he calls it, “sculpts with light” using photography. Over the last few decades, his work shifted from pre-production prep work to post-production work on a PC using Photoshop. But using fiber optics and flashlights to “place” the light, versus refraction/reflection from flash or other light source, yields very different images from what one would think was a familiar object. Kudos to you for doing the research as the other poster above indicated. You are indeed dedicated to your craft. I wish I was more artistic. I am a stick figure guy.
@@Gilgamesh347 Thank you 😄 painting and sculpting is indeed an amazing art, I am more a painter myself so I can attest. I am doing what I can to be the best I can be at several things.
You two folks make an entertaining duo for these videos the way you guys get along, I think I'm not the only one who would tune in on more videos with the two of you in them.
No bias. You guys are great!
All great points. That's why I have both.
Great video! Like the brand of gun you choose to carry (i.e. HK, M&P, Sig, Walther or a Glock etc.); hammer or striker fire pistols is one's "personal" preference!
I knew I liked these guys in the first ten seconds they spent talking.
Striker pros:
Weight
Often better capacity, especially for size/weight (no mainspring housing, etc.)
Fewer parts break and less often (fewer parts total)
Easier to takedown and work on
Durable and less prone to debris interference
Consistent trigger
Fewer controls/simple
More snag proof (no exposed hammer or extra controls)
Don’t have to remember to decock after each string of fire
Less expensive, typically
No thumb safety (typically)
Pros of TDA:
No thumb safety (typically) to depress
Maybe “safer?” initial trigger (but far less “safe” after that)
Can hold down on hammer while hostering
Light/crisp and short single-action trigger after first shot
Pros of single-action:
Light/crisp and short trigger (1911 has an inherent design advantage)
When I first started shooting, I started with revolvers. With my revolvers, I got used to manually cocking and de-cocking my handguns.
My first semi-automatic was a striker-fire. I missed the manually cocking and de-cocking. I also missed being able to look at the hammer position to tell if the gun was cocked. Also, since I still shoot revolvers and since I like my handguns to have similar ergonomics, all the semi-automatics I purchased after my first one were hammer-fired.
I prefer the Kahr striker design that partially cocks the striker in battery, then uses the trigger pressure to load the striker fully then releases it to fire the pistol. The Kahr double action trigger is about the smoothest of its type on the market.
Thank you for educating my mind!
I have a Sig Sauer P226 (the same gun the navy seals use). I love this gun because unlike an old school 1911, it has a de-cocker. Meaning I can load a round in the chamber and de-cock the gun and be totally safe. The 10 pound pull on the hammer makes up for it. There is no way the gun is going to go bang unless I put that force in there. But with every striker fire pistol I have (glock, Sig, and S&W), in the safety manual it states you should never carry round in the chamber. I asked some of the makers why they put that, and they stated well they stated, if the firing pin spring breaks, then the gun is going to automatically discharge and you wouldn't want that.
Striker fired weapons without manual safety’s are not safe to cary outside of a holster. That’s why the most common gun in America for fatal negligent discharges is a glock pistol. Mag capacity is the same across the board. My beretta m9a3 carries 17 plus 1 in the chamber plus the beretta plus 2 mag plate. That’s 20 rounds. It’s called quality. You want Chinese imported plastic or Italian steel. That’s why there’s a significant price gap in between the two. But Americans will always try to justify themselves being cheap and spending less and claim it’s the same quality. It isn’t. It’s like arguing a Pontiac is the same quality’s as a Porsche. There is a reason why the price tag 🏷 is what it is.
SA/DA offers a bit more control over what happens than striker fired handgun.
I have not found many out of the box striker fire triggers that behave as nicely as a hammer trigger. After you find the 'wall' there will be no travel and a nice crisp break with short reset.
Now if my XDs has a chambered round, Is the striker back? If yes, how difficult would it be to convert the back of the slide to create a striker indicator? Springfield should be able to supply a longer striker and back plate with the hole in it, or instructions to drill a hole? I like my XDs as is, however supplying a grip zone frame for it would be a plus.
So for a car guy it's like an LS vs a Coyote or a 2JZ vs RB26.
But for someone like myself that's trying to choose my first pistol would you recommend one over the other (hammer vs striker)?
Does the striker-fired pistol have a faster lock time since the hammer on the 1911 takes time to fall and hit the firing pin?
I found out last weekend that i prefer striker fired pistols for real world combat handguns. I have a Rossi M88 .38 spl that fell out of a test horizontal shoulder holster that then landed on its un cocked hammer on the sink. Now the single action mode in the gun does not work, just the double action full pull works I am lucky that works at all. There you go guys, something to think about. This more than likely would not of happened to a striker fired gun. Its hard to find or pay for a gunsmith in a fire fight.
very good. now I understand the difference cool.
Ghee is that just pure lead at the back of that range?
One advantage of a hammer fire vs. striker fired weapon is the external safety specific to open carry/Law enforcement if a gun is snatched from a LEO's holster and turned on that LEO, the engaged external safety will prevent the gun from firing and save the LEO's life. Quite a few LEO's are killed by their own weapon as I'm sure you all know. I remember reading an article quite a few years ago where the writer did a test at a gun range with 5 different guns, all loaded some with external safety's some not and even a revolver. During this test he put all the guns under a hankerchief (again they were at a range all guns were loaded) so the shooter couldn't see the actual weapon. The writer then timed the shooter (once he pulled off the hankerchief) could grab the gun and successfully fire the weapon at the target. Remember these are experienced shooters. As you'd expect the revolver and striker fired pistols were all picked up and shot within 1 second. But when it came to the external safety guns all of which had their external safety's engaged (I think one was a S&W one was a 1919) it took much, much longer and in fact after the first trigger pull with no discharge, all the shooters attempted to rack the slide back, to put in another round thinking it was a misfire. They averaged 10-15 seconds (1 person just gave up) before they could successfully fire a gun. That 10-15 seconds could mean your life. Again this is for open carry folks only.Just a thought.
Could you cite the source?
*_"They averaged 10-15 seconds"_*
That is extreme to the point that I don't believe it.
Alex Taylor a 1919? who the fuck open carries that wtf dude
Trying to understand guns more, so on the 1911 what's the difference between fully cocking the weapon the way he does in the video vs just pulling the hammer back?
No mention of a DASA? Come on...if somebody is learning something new by watching this video they need to be told about a DA SA pistol in which case hammer down is absolutely "ready to fire"
this is actually my preferred method of carry - DASA, chambered, no safety, hammer down.
Isn't the 1911 SA only, with hammer down no fire, you'd need to rack one which would eject one... 🤔
@@paulkearns100 good point, dude has no clue what he's talking about and probably either doesn't own a weapon or owns one and has no clue how they work nor the difference between SA and DA.
@@Kawmbat_Veteran The video isn't about the 1911. There are plenty of double action hammer strike pistols.
Me too; but my CZ 75 SPO-1 Tactical has a de-cocker that leaves the first trigger pull range about half way between double and single action, which is nice for carry. The pull is still long enough that it affords a level of safety similar to a revolver.
@@Kawmbat_Veteran yikes - why the need to be so rude? the title of the video is hammer vs striker fire. there are any number of hammer fired pistols other than the 1911. that's probably why he referenced a da sa pistols, ie - guns other than the 1911
Great video, but it's more of a SA only hammer versus striker. What about DA/SA hammer fired weapons.
Striker fired still better.....
Well there ya go... An unrequested and irrelevantly-to-the-comment opinion. Zero points!
DA/SA is pretty much like a revolver, except unlike a revolver the recoil will cock the hammer after every shot.
MrJH1959 strikers are dangerous
I love my DA Beretta PX4 Storm Subcompact .40 But I carry an XDS .45 3.3 daily. Shoots amazing and sometimes I forget I’m even wearing it because it’s so thin and light. I guess that’s the reason they can’t keep them on the shelves.
I love the 1911 but it's hard to dismiss the greater round capacity, lighter weight and the superior reliability you get in a modern striker fired platform. I had a longslide 10mm 1911 I tuned from top to bottom and still had reliability issues, so I sold it and purchased an XDM OSP 10mm and from the first round through the thousandth not one hiccup. The XDM eats and cycles everything and I've not spent one minute tuning or polishing anything.
I hear you, brother. I own six of 1911’s and three XD’s too. Same thing. Love 1911s though - it’s a romance….
Very good vid and info, thank you, but I still prefer hammer fired, old man
4:26 Good man
I like this comparison and I like folks who can agree to disagree. PS ... I just picked up a Xde. I need to shoot and try it out. I like smoked EEL better than caviar.
In the slow motion firing at the end of the video the gentleman with the striker fired pistol removed his finger completely from the trigger between each single action shot. His preference and why?
From a mechanical standpoint it seems to me that a hammer fired pistol is a more solid design, and the only advantage of the striker fired pistol over the hammer fired one is that it's obviously a lot cheaper to make, especially if you consider the plastic frames. No matter how strong the plastics are they look cheap even the Glocks. You can make pistols out of plastics but there is nothing like a well made all steel hammer fired pistol.
you go from video to video to say that? There are expensive striker fire guns and polymer hammer guns.
PleaseDontWatchThese
So what's the point in comparing them? I just stated my preference and opinion. I wish these "expert" videos would point out why one or the other is superior or what's the reason for the different designs.
youcanfoolmeonce striker fired pistols are cheaper to make because there are less parts and also have a lower bore axis than a hammer fired pistol
Yes but the advantage is when you carry in your pocket they are not as heavy. And I love a hammer to
well a glock can be covered in mud and fire if theres mud blocking the hammer on a 1911 well uk...
I like both
Which requires less spring force in poundage (lbs)? For example a hammer in da/sa pistol requires a certain # of lbs of tension to work reliably without ruining other aspects like the trigger pull or cycling. I imagine the same applies to striker fired guns. But again which one requires less tension in lbs?
There's something about a 1911 style pistol that I can't put my finger on. It has style and mojo unlike most other handguns.
However, in 2016, in my humble opinion, polymer framed, striker fired pistols are 100% the superior firearms.
More capacity, consistent triggers, no safeties to worry about, simpler takedown, nearly equal accuracy, lighter weight, better reliability and toughness that's been tested time and time again to be damn near indestructible under even the most extreme conditions.
Simply put its just a very pretty gun. I hear that all the time when discussing a 1911. Even when made to be more compact the look of them is still pretty. It is also one of the most customized handguns. Sure you can do a few things to a glock but it will never really change the appearance of the glock. with the 1911 you have options to make the gun suit your taste as far as looks go from beaver tail grip safeties to triggers with the holes in them, to even slides that have been etched or engraved.
A 1911 will always be a pretty looking gun and has been around so long now that people grow up with the 1911 in mind when they first think of a handgun. From a cosmetic design stand point John Browning out did himself.
These guys are legit
Hammers look great. and you know gun is ready to fire or not. I think in performance they are same.
For me: Hammer fired = duty carry, Striker fired = concealed carry
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Huh
Cody Walker Jr exactly lol
No way do I want a striker fired or SA (unless it is a SA revolver) in my shorts. DA/SA or nothing.
For duty ( police officer) and for IPSC what is the best??? Da/sa or strike fired? Of course i can buy one weapon and i will carry it everyday
An exposed striker allows the ability to gum the striker in its channel from over cleaning.I had a 1st Gen XD,ftf on me twice in 50rds and that's what Springfield said was the reason "OVER CLEANING ".SINCE,I've only owned hammer fired pistols but I think I'm gunna give the FNS a shot at a compact
I have always thought all bolt action rifles use strikers NOT firing pins. And it's a misnomer that bolt action rifles use "firing pins". Strikers use the direct force from the spring behind to launch them forward. It's also not new in pistols, Luger P08 uses a cupped striker.
I love my Saint Victor. Money well spent.
Wish Springfield would have more SA/DA options.
The striker fire had 18 rounds vs. 9 rounds for the hammer fire. There are 18 round in hammer fire guns too. To me the only difference is one is single action only and the other can shoot both double AND single action.
Sig Sauer P229 or Glock 19 (or a Glock 32) ...even a good ol' .38 snub only holds 5 shots, but is dependable & good for self protection & very easy to keep hiden...although glock 19 9mm isn't much bigger, very dependable, & holds 16 rounds (15 in the mag. 1 in the chamber).
Walther PPQ , Glock 17, XDm 4.5(update trigger at store) all 9 mm and u will be ok
2 points for hammer fired
1-double action help you if bullet has not been hit probably you can pull again.
2-you don’t need the gun to be loaded all the time on double action gun.
double/single action is my choice. You can pick whatever condition you want to carry it in. Are hammers going extinct?
The CZ75 is an improvement over the 1911. Some hammer guns use decockers not safeties. The fully cocked hammer is not exactly the equivalent of the striker which is only 3/4 cocked. Most triggers on hammer guns are better.
The XD striker is fully cocked with a single action trigger .
I have both hammer and striker fired guns,,, prefer the striker fired, ONLY because hammer fired occasionally blows back spent powder in my eyes.
I realize that in a critical situation, adrenaline may make this problem less important, but I prefer not to have my eyes assaulted everytime I shoot my weapon!!
Especially on a range day, where I may put a few hundred rounds through each weapon.
I've shot many hammer fired and striker fired pistols. I like both EXCEPT the 1911 style. Dont get me wrong... I like 1911's, just not for carry. I carried a Glock 19, Canik TP9, and a S&W SD9VE for a long time as well as an Arcus 98DAC, and a Taurus PT1911. I currently carry a Sig Sauer SP2022. I prefer any handgun to be SA/DA. I have a Taurus PT140 Pro, the Sig, and my Canik. They are all SA/DA with hammers and strikers. Only the hammer fired Sig, and the striker fired Canik have decockers.
I have a friend who ridicules my "plastic" guns. What is your opinion on that vs. metal frame?
Frank Parker I have metal framed guns they're heavier but jab whether recoil absorption I have a lot of plastic guns though and they perform just as well and req less oiling but the main thing is they're cheaper and not by a small amount I mean if you want the best polymer gun you can get its gonna cost under 1000$ were as a metal gun if you can even upgrade it its gonna cost 1600$ plus I'm talking about comp specs so calm down glocks fanboys that will say it's gonna cost 600 dollars blah blah blah anyways with that 600 dollar saving in 9mm at least that's basicly the amount of ammo you will shoot through that gun so that's a lot of money in the long run not to mention you can very easily at home fix modern polymer pistols not so much for metal they're just designed differently.
he says "it has a spring in the mainspring housing" but points at the barrel??
5:55 There is an upside to single row stacking: reliability.
I like shooting both for fun, but defense/tactical carry is it's own situation. One benefit of stiker fired is less opportunity to get hung up on exterior junk like clothing, fingers, and sand/dirt, whatever. However, there are different variations of striker fired, of which Glock I think still maintains superiority. They are a little ugly but the most reliable, safe, and easiest to repair or replace/cannibalize parts if ever needed. Glock has 1 external trigger safety (I call' em trigger tongues) and 2 or 3 internal safeties that make them the most safe carry pistol to carry with chambered round, but also the fastest and most 'dumbass-moment-proof' to engage an enemy with. A Glock is basically the closest thing to carrying a high capacity, double-barrel revolver with an external trigger safety (which I'd love to have actually lol, just for fun...). But a Glock is more ergonomic, smaller/easier to conceal, and less likely to get fowled up in dirt/sand/hang-up conditions.
Is the 1911 model .45 caliber obsolete? I doubt it. You could flatten an assailant with a 230 grain full metal jacket round.
Nice vid...like all other. I have one question about striker fire mechanism? How durable are firing pins in comparising with hammer fired at dry firing?
Tnx
Emil7773 If you've got firing pins breaking during dry firing, then you've got bigger problems.
thebigitchy Im asking because i have Star BM wich is hammer fired pistol and i changed firing pin couple times even i didn't dry fired too much. When in dry training i would put piece of rubber hose into back of slide where hammer hit firing pin to protect pin. But i was shooting that BM a lot with live ammo so firing pin would broke after a while. Now retired my BM and bought XDm so if i don`t have snapcap im a bit concerned about dry fire that gun. I know i can`t compare those two guns but....
+Emil7773 My experience with the XD, is that you shouldn't worry about dry firing damaging the striker. But of course, if you feel better using snap caps, then do that, too.
Just know and learn your weapon, can't say which is best or better, but whatever works for you!!!
Ought to rename the video to Croatian vs United States handguns
well, main point made was it's personal preference and i think that's true. i like'em all. however, i also think i prefer a DA/SA a little more like a Sig 229 / Sig 226 because starting on the 2nd round it's fast as hell if you wanna fire it that fast. striker fire is slower. just depends on what ya like personally.
1911 single stack n single action. Can’t beat that except in capacity and weight but why chose one when u can have both
It's a tomato/to-mah-to thingy. Get one of each!
Meh, let's call the whole thing off. :)
Isn't the striker fire pistol more EFFICIENT than the 1911 because the trigger releases the firing pin in the former, whereas the hammer strikes the firing pin in the latter?
What about a light trigger pull on a cocked hammer for first shot accuracy. One accurately placed shot can make all the difference. Viva the hammer fired pistols. I own 4. I don;t own a singe striker fired pistol but I do own a Ruger PC Charger.
6:18 ... see that grouping? :) Guy on left was much much more accurate :)
La.HK P7 M8 es toda de metal y es tryker fire
Murica!
Ok, but why is the striker fired pistol safe without a manual safety, unlike the 1911? after all they are both single action...
Couldn't you keep a round in the chamber on 1911. Than just pull the hammer back when your ready to shoot?
Can someone tell me exactly what two pistols they were shooting? Thank you
Adrian Ordogne a 1911 and a Springfield xd
Range officer 1911 9mm
Xdm 9mm
Both are Springfield armory
WITH A 1911 SERIES 80 TRIGGER, HAVING ONE IN THE CHAMBER AND HAMMER DOWN SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR A FALSE DISCHARGE WITH FIRING PIN SAFETY???
THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL WHAT DO YOU SAY.
I AM SHOUTING FROM THE ROOF TOPS MAD AS HELL NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE PLUS FASTER TOO TYPE. IF THAT BOTHERS YOU THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE SHEEPLE THAT ARE ASLEEP. SO MANY ARE, THAT IS WHY WE, USA, WORLD, HAS BEEN NOW SINCE JFK ANF EISENHOWER SAID "BE WARY OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. GOD BLESS.
In regards to the hammer down, call it "not ready to fire". What about a DA/SA. Like all my Sigs are.
what you really have to ask which has is more accuracy on the first shot ? a single action mode for your first shot or double action when you going against another human being who trying to kill you ? mmm 4lbs vs 8 to 10 lbs of tigger pull
frigging advert for Springfields !! your comparing a modern striker fired pistol with a single action auto pistol, you might as well compare it with a single action revolver !!! Bollocks guys and you know it !!!
some handguns have double. striker. capable so u dont have to rack gun just keep pulling trigger
Finger slaping the trigger.
I literally have been scrolling through the comments to see if anyone had commented on that yet. Good that I'm not the only one that noticed.
Hi everyone. I'm a first time user. Thinking of buying a gun. I am left handed. My wife is right handed. I am considering buying One gun for both of us. Is there a benefit to owning striker or hammer for first time users?
I think striker fired is your best bet. One thing that can throw off a shot is hammer fall. Pistols have short sight planes. Consequently, aim is easier to spoil. I recently purchased a carbine. Not as easy to throw off, and, under stress, easier to shoot accurately. Hope this helps.
The guy on the right’s trigger press is cringe worthy lol
Larry Vickers? Is that you?
Haha nice. He does look just like him
I shot both these guns still like my berreta 92fs better. 1911 is pretty good though. I couldn't hit anything with the xd.😄
thx guys
Springfield Striker Fire pistols all day! More rounds more fun!
Martillos son diseños del pasado.
5:15
THE HAMMER FIRE HAS ONE BIG THING THAT STRIKER HAS NOT , LONG RANGE MODE , PUT IT ON SINGLE ACTION AND YOU COULD REACH AND TOUCH SOMEONE IF SOMEONE THAT ATTACK YOU IS RUNNING AWAY
Do anyone know if Springfield is making a xd-e mod 2 in 9 mm??
5.16 talking about safety when you have weapon discipline like that, garbage.
Get a extended clip for the 45
What's a clip? Why would he want a extended paperclip? Makes zero sense .
Rob guns aren't the threat it's the fast food shoot for the vegetable isle be on target health wise I want you to make videos until 2088
like this thx
Hammer is better. We all know it.
Glocks work so others copy there manufacturing...Hmmnn?
slapping the trigger, not informative, and seemed like they were pushing Springfield
+Donny Lansing probably coz it's springfield armory channel
why not a Glock
Whoever approved this trash at SA should be fired
You mention how every bolt action is striker fired but fail to mention how everything else is hammer fired. Shotguns AKs ARs etc. well 95% are.
Yeah, I thought that was really disingenuous of him.
He said that to point out that striker fired firearms are not a "modern" concept
All guns are trigger fired. You press the trigger-the gun fires. What you call the gadget that strikes/activates the primer is irrelevant. This is a fabricated issue without merit.
Aweful shooting demonstration. Shooting the XDM, the shooter appears to have no knowledge of proper trigger control. Having been properly trained, I have learned to capture the trigger and release only to the reset "click" before firing subsequent shots. This greatly increases accuracy as there is no slack to take up, which allows for faster sight alignment and sight picture (alignment iof sights to the target). Wagging your trigger finger like a dog's tail is an accuracy killer.
I noticed that, wtf.
While I do see your point and agree I believe they were going for speed instead of accuracy in that instance in order to prove the point about the capacity.
+Wolfly Loyals, The point I was making was that it is much faster to capture the trigger, release it forward just far enough to reset the trigger (1/8" on a 1911 and perhaps 1/2" on an XDM) and squeeze. You never leave contact with the trigger, no need to reacquire the trigger, and no need to take the slack out as reset is clean and short on these two pistols. The result is much faster and more accurate follow-up shots.
actually rob Latham is a world champion pistol shooter and he does not ride the reset of the gun...nor does he teach elite military units to ride the reset....he teaches "any way you can manipulate the trigger without taking your sights off of the target is a good way" method...so save your internet instructor rhetoric...there's a reason Robbie Latham's nickname in the gun community is "the legend"
+Enter Iowa's Outdoors --- Absolutely and also hilarious. Keyboard warriors and badasses trying to tell the legend, and anyone he deems worthy of doing a video with, how to shoot! Too funny!
never lower a hammer on a loaded chamber? I find this interesting, not only because it is wrong, but because my mom is a field operations instructor for the FBI and they are told to ALWAYS have the hammer lowered regardless of if the chamber is loaded. She said that the agents are trained (the agents have to carry a handgun all the time btw) to in fact load the chamber then put the gun in the double action mode. This ensure that the agent will know exactly that they want to shoot when they shoot. Also, from an engineers standpoint, the entire POINT of a single/double action pistol is so that you can have the double action shot as your first shot if you need to. God you guys are dumb. This is why I don't buy springfield....
Also a 1911 with the hammer down and round in chamber could fire if dropped or something impacted the hammer by other means... the safety prevents this by blocking the hammer so it cant make contact on the firing pin.
You are obviously not an engineer.
I am though. I am an electrical engineer. Also, notice how I said that people that train people in the military also say to lower the hammer that way. Granted, there used to be a time where people used to say to never lower the hammer like that due to a misfire or something like that. That was back when the number one gun used in the world was a revolver that had a hammer that rested directly on the firing pin and could jump when experiencing trauma. Those guns didn't have safety's. They didn't have pin locks or drop safetys or anything. Guns built since the 60's now have spring loaded mechanisms that protect against things like that. You can leave a bullet in the chamber with the hammer directly on the firing pin and nothing will happen. Many people have tested this. Demo ranch has even shot a gun with a 50 cal and a bullet loaded in a chamber under different circumstances and never have they ever got the bullet to fire. Mattv2099 has done these tests too. If you have decock your gun and it is a well made gun or a gun worth buying, it will NOT fire under very special circumstances like exposed to enough heat to make the gunpowder explode or something outside the guns operations. If Springfield is saying that their guns will fire with the hammer down after a gun is dropped or whatever, I would not want to risk my life by buying a Springfield. I am pretty sure their guns do have a firing pin block though. Its just sad a springfield tech doesnt know these simple things
1911's do not have a firing pin block. This is why they are complete garbage and unsafe. However, the Kimber models do. I own 4 of those myself. One of those has accidentally fallen over 5 stories and didn't go off.
Well... I guess you can't fix stupid....
disappointed in how uninformative this was. could have done good.
Spoken like a true racist. Its different so I dont like it