I believe your software can successfully scan, but I'm not sure if you process the results from the mobile app. Before buying the scanner, I thought about using my phone to scan instead. But honestly, I couldn't get any decent results-there were huge errors. That's why I ended up getting the scanner to get the results I wanted.
I tried Kiri about couple months ago, but it didn’t work well for me. I switched to Polycam, which was a bit better but still disappointing. There is no problem with the texture, but I'm more interested in the accuracy of the model.
I tried using your software, but the results were disappointing. Plus, it takes 30 minutes to create a model from 10 images. And if you want more features, the yearly membership costs over $400, which is just way too expensive.😐😐
IMHO It' absolutely appropriate for you to make this kind of video. It's wonderful that you try to be fair when comparing your products to "competitors". The ONLY issue with your other video was that you didn't disclose that Kiri is your product.
Hey man! Thanks for the question :) Yeah, I confess I was being cheeky in my previous video comparing the 3D scanning apps, that's why I added my background disclaimer in this video to avoid misunderstanding haha. And honestly, I don't really see a $600 3D scanner as our competitor because as I indicated in this video, they are really designed for different use cases :) If you are looking to get best texture quality for game design or VFX, doesn't matter how expensive a 3D scanner hardware is, photogrammetry will always win; But if you are looking to using the 3D model for measurement and reverse engineering, never use photogrammetry, buy a 3D scanner :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 hi there, I was wondering if a Creality $400 scanner (CR-Scan Ferret Pro 3D Scanner) would be a better choice than a phone app to recreate a center dash panel from a car. I have the 15 inch long x 8 inch wide by 1/2 inch piece out of the car and in my hands, and I tried Polycam and it came out ok, but I feel like a scanner would allow me to capture the full exact dimensions so we can recreate a replica?
@@upload638 hi upload! Yes, you are correct; if you are looking for accurate dimension measurement, you should buy a 3D scanner. But keep in mind if the center dash panel is dark in color, it can be challenging for the actual scanner, you should also get scanner spray to apply on top
Aesub scanning spray. I recommend the orange. Don’t use a 3D scanner without scanning spray. 90% of my parts I had to scan needed scanning spray because of color or reflective surface. I own Einstar, Einscan-SPv2 and Revopoint mini.
UPDATE. I received feedback directly from the company. Apparently i was wrong. Please read their reply. I did do a scan it looked really good. The free part is not completely honest and to say the least it is misleading. True you scan for free, you can upload to their server up to 3 scans per week. But the free version only lets you export a total of three files to your slicer. So what good is it to have a bunch of scanned files you can’t export to print. Oh you can export more if you pay $2.99 per month.
Hi Brad! Thank you for the comment, and I really appreciate you share your thoughts about KIRI Engine, but unfortunately the information you provided wasn't correct :( The free plan in KIRI Engine allows you to upload as many 3D scans as you want without limit, but you can export 3 scans PER WEEK; if you used up all three exports this week, you can just wait until next week, and you'll get another three free exports. I hope these info will cheer you up but feel free to let me know if you have any questions or concerns :)
My apologies for not understanding what it meant. I suggest adding the three weekly export. I will remove my comment. Since Im wrong i dont want discourage others. Thank for nice reply and correction.
@@BradRemillard Thank you so much Brad! But you don't have to delete the comment, you know :) Anyways, thank you so much for the understanding, let me know if you have any other questions or concerns ;)
@@BradRemillard Great question! That actually depends on what object you are trying to scan, if the object has enough features point, the straight result is even comparable with some professional 3D scanners, take a look at this viral Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/16l4kxw/3d_scanned_with_kiri_engine_on_an_iphone_14_pro/ But if the object doesn't have enough features points, the surface might be rough for 3D printing, in which case you need to clean up the 3D model using Zbrush or Blender. I'm actually making another tutorial video to show how to clean up 3D scans super easy :)
Heyyyy thank you so much for the support! But please don't hesitate to report crash issues at contact@kiri-innov.com, our goal here is to make sure the app runs as smoothly as possible
Thank you so much djbach!!! I'm flattered haha :) Yeah please feel free to let me know if you run into any questions while trying to make custom car parts
Congrats for this cool review. 🙌 I am a user of many photogrammetry, LiDAR, and 3DGS software and apps. KIRI has given me the best response so far in terms of quality, it's just a bit slow in obtaining the model, but still, we're talking about minutes. The user interface design is what I like the most. Speaking of Revopoint in this comparison, it has that disadvantage, but I think intentionally using black in a scan can be creatively utilized, like a chroma key or mask to remove unwanted parts of the object. IDEA: It would be amazing if KIRI could do that with a color selector, not just black. I'm not sure how useful it could be, but if feasible, it would be cool.
Hey Mario! I'm so sorry I don't know why I've completely missed your comment here. Thank you so much for the comment and I'm really glad that you liked KIRI Engine :) Actually, did you know that we just made a Blender add-on that can do exactly what you were thinking, the color selector thing? You can find and download the add-on on our Discord server, look for the tutorials-docs-tools channel in the server: discord.gg/3bvNtw9A
I always wondered why don't such apps as Kiri use ToF sensors found in phones. Pretty sure it could result in somewhat accurate dimensions. Maybe you can shed some light on that. Those sensors are used for measuring of room size, for instance. In conjunction with phone's gyroscope I believe the estimation could be done really well. I also adore Kiri for free exports and consider getting paid option when I'll be scanning a lot of things.
Hey Joe! That's a great question! The short answer is that the ToF or LiDAR sensors on our phones aren't accurate enough to be usable in 3D scanning. It's true that ToF sensors can give instant measurements of the object they're pointing at, but the accuracy is usually in the 1mm-5mm range. Imagine a 3D-scanned surface with 5mm-deep bumpiness all over it. It would be more terrible than even the cheapest 3D scanner you can find. For that reason, ToF or LiDAR data is rarely used in actual 3D scanning techniques for object reconstruction. But you'd see many use cases in which people use ToF sensors to measure rooms, right? That's also because, in a large-scale environment like a room interior, accuracy isn't that critical. You'll be okay if the measurement is 5mm off for your room, right? So that's why it's good for room, but not good for object reconstruction
I found out today that it has a limit of 300 pictures. So already it does not fit my needs. And the export process was not good. In Safari it failed. In Firefox it went okay. And the 3D modell is nearly impossible to rotate as you want.
@@FotografHuatorp Hey fotograf! Oh noooo, I'm so sorry to see if it didn't fit your needs. Feel free to send details to contact@kiri-innov.com, I'm sure the tech support will help you improve the process a bit
Thank you so much!! Yeah, it's a pitty that most Android don't have LiDAR sensors :( And nope, there's no way to use Quest 3 cameras and sensors because Meta hasn't made the camera SDKs available to its developers due to privacy concerns :(
Regarding the the last point, shouldn't the Lidar-Sensor provide all the data required for accurate scaling of the scan? If not/for devices without Lidar, would it be possible to implement the use of reference objects of known dimensions? Dimensional accuracy would be a huge selling point in my opinion
Let me just tell you that as an starter company you are doing just a great job... The problem is that when a company grows, the owner will no longer being replying to comments... Haha !
@@nelsonvieira1761 Hey nelson! Thanks for comment! I don't think I fully understand what you mean, unfortunately :( Did you mean how to scale the 3D model to the printing size? If so, I actually made a short tutorial video showing how to properly scale the model :) Here is the link: th-cam.com/users/shortsyYmTl-E963E?si=NQDtjGgNUEdabtLx
Will this be able to scan a clay sculpture I have made from the grey coloured SuperSculpey (medium)? Sizes may vary from 20 - 40 (or slightly more) centimetres.
Oh yes absolutely! Actually, I find KIRI Engine is really, really good at scanning clay sculpture, even with the free plan. You'll be amazed :) Feel free to let me know who it goes
Is once measured and calculated scale ratio of a model scanned by photogramerty applicable for all the other scans made by the same smartphone in order to get the exact dimensions?
Hi Jack, good video, thank you. I was just looking at purchasing a Revopoint for doing some scanning on a vintage motocross bike I'm building. Now this video has given me some more thought. Assuming I'm using an Android Pixel 7 phone, would Kiri be able to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering and also printing for an electric conversion to the bike? I would like to get some accurate dimensions for various fixing/mounting points. Would the file need to be transferred to different software. If so, I'd be looking at something intuitive, as this is all new tech to myself. With regards to costs and upgrades, is there a 1 off fee or is it pay per scan if I was looking at more features as a hobby user. On a side note for your business model, I like to pay for Pro level Apps at the point of purchase, with no re-newable license fee. However, still happy to pay for upgrades if needed. Thank you in advance for any answers and advice. Regards, Dale
Hey Dale! Thank you so much for the comment! I'm glad that my video provided some extra info for your decision :) Great questions, let's answer them: 1. The ability to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering: The answer is yes! However, to make an accurate scan with the KIRI Engine, you need to prepare the tank before photo-scanning it. You can buy a scanner spray that can make the surface less reflective, then use some baby power (or chalk power or anything that you can put on the top to increase feature points). Once you've done that preparation, you are ready to make super accurate 3D scans with just your Pixel 7. 2. Measurement: Although the relativity is all there, there is no real-world scale straight out of photo scanning. But it's not an issue, you can manually scale the model to real-world size in other 3D software such as Fusion360, here is a video on TH-cam that teaches you how to scale a photo-scanned model: th-cam.com/video/axdPIc6FqQU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Mx1LyUH_J_ELMgH_&t=316 3. Pricing: Unfortunately, KIRI Engine doesn't have one-off purchase plan. The reason for that is KIRI Engine uses servers on the cloud for processing 3D scans, it's financially not feasible to just charge once but the server cost is being accumulated. However, having said that. I'm almost certain that you can achieve accurate 3D scanning of your bike's fuel tank without having to become a paid user, our free features should be sufficient for your need. Just remember to prepare the object before going for a photo scanning; If you did need a paid plan, although it doesn't have a one-off purchase option, you can actually become a subbed user for a month for only 15USD, then cancel it whenever you finished the project, this way it's much cheaper and efficient than buying a physical 3D scanner :) Let me know if you have any other questions, happy to answer more :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 , thank you for the informed reply. I have scanned the tank with zero prep after work this afternoon, as we had nice weather to do it outdoors. The result and level of detail is fantastic and way above what I was expecting, considering no prep was done. I'm going to try it again tomorrow, but take the photos with a Canon EOS200D for comparison. I am absolutely blown away by how good this app is, considering that was my first play with it. Fair play to you, you have developed an outstanding product. I will look at the link for the software that you have recommended this evening. Again, thank you 😁👍
Amazing. I'm new to this. Could you kiri scan an entire car with the goal to accurately map mounting locations? I know you said the scale isn't set but could I set the scale on the 3d model by measuring set points on the car then applying that measurement to the set points in the 3d model? (I have an iphone with the lidar & am thinking about using freecad). Thank you for your awesome work!
It's kind of hard to scan a clean car body because of its shiny surfaces. But if you are looking at the mounting locations, I assume it's either a kind of dirty/rusting car or parts of a car? If so, KIRI Engine is up for the challenge. And yes, you can apply the measurement to the set point in software like fusion 360 afterward. And also, since you have an iPhone with LiDAR, also try our Object Capture under LiDAR Scan option, it will get you some clean results too :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997the mounting locations could be made dirty or perhaps sprayed with a matt paint that can be washed off. What about detail? If I scan a whole vehicle can I then move in closer and closer to the mounting points to get good detail in those areas? Sometimes they will be holes, sometimes channels with outer lipped edges etc. How mm perfect could these areas be scanned? Does Kiri deal with holes and pockets well?
@@sharpsticksnz4112 Hi! Thanks for the reply! If you can actually make the part dirty or put on matt spray to create more feature points, then you can get really accurate models that you wouldn't tell differences between KIRI app and the under-1000-dollar 3D scanners. And yes, if you can make enough feature points, you can take close-up photos to capture more details. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine app, it's free after all :)
Excellent Video! The results are amazing! but currently scanning spray should be considered standard when using consumer scanners. Also if you buy a Scanner for 600$, a few for the spray should not matter to much.
Thank you so much for the comment! And yeah honestly I didn't realize that so many people would use scanning spray because in some parts of the world it's pretty hard to get scanning sprays. But I'll make sure to make more video in the future to compare the result from scanning spray
Does your app support retroreflective reference points? Would it be feasable to implement to Track geoemtrys with low feature density? They could also be put on the surrounding geometry instead of the model 🤔
Actually, we believe we have a better solution. In this video I only talked about the free features. But we also have upgraded premium features, which have a pretty unique thing called "Featureless Object Scanning." What's cool about it is that it uses a neural network-based algorithm to generate mesh even if the object itself doesn't have feature points. I made a thorough overview video here, feel free to take a look :) th-cam.com/video/Lq2-lZ5xqu8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=z-lGcKM4zwWNb4iG
So I have been trying to make this app work for a long time and it never gives decent results. I would say that a device made for 3d scanning is going to be much better than an iffy phone app.
Thanks for the comment! Like I indicated in the comparison video, it really depends on what type of objects you were trying to 3D scan :) If it's an object with a lot of features point (for example, a tree stump or a rock) the end result from a 3D scanner app is pretty much the same from a 3D scanner hardware. But if the object is in pure color, 3D scanner will always do better job :)
Dude nice video, how often have you used your scanner before you made this video? Are you feeling confident enough to compare your tool with different software where you knowledge might be limited to how it operates? And seeing how you do photogrammetry while you cast shadows on your object. You should state that this is meant as advertising and not valuable comparison. Have you meassured both results? Does kiri engine support any april tag or marker regocbition so that scale can be applied directly to the model?
Thanks for the comment man! Actually, KIRI started as a structured light 3D scanner company, so we are quite familiar with the technology and how it operates. I don't see why this isn't a valuable comparison, but one thing I regretted is that I didn't get to compare the results with the scanner spray put on, because I recently tried with the scanner spray it made photogrammetry look really no difference with structured light scanner, so I might do another video showing the results with the scanner spray on
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 it is a use case question, if you scan for 3d rendering and putting things into blender scenes it might compare. If you scan for engineering it would have been a valuable comparison to get realworld meassures and compare them to the results. I havent used kiri engine yet for photogrammetry, i am a metashape user, i came across the software yesterday and looked at your video. I personally got a negative impression from it im sorry to say. I wish it would habe been different, but iam not your target market, to me it felt unprofessional.
I've been thinking about this for a while now. It seems like what you were saying in the video is that the Lidar in an Iphone helps with the user experience, but it didn't sound like you were saying that the end result is noticeably better when shot with the Iphone. Is that correct? I have an Android, and I'm thinking it's not worth getting an Iphone if the main reason is for scanning.
Hey LincolnWorld! You are absolutely correct! LiDAR has been over-hyped by many people who don't actually understand how 3D scanning works. The 3D results directly from the LiDAR sensor are almost unusable in any application. And that's why you see most of the LiDAR scan demos are for large-scale rooms or environment because such large-scale object can look pretty good even if the accuracy is low. So when talking about the Object Capture feature in KIRI Engine which utilizes LiDAR and photogrammetry, it only use LiDAR to improve user feedback and improve processing load on your phone, but whatever good result you can get from Object Capture, you can get it better from Photogrammetry
I enjoyed the video. It could be what I'm looking for. Will it scan things like an indicator or light on a car? If I wanted to replace it with a 'custom' light I would need to scan the hole left behind after it is removed. What about parts of a panel on a car? Keep up the good work. I love the enthusiasm 👍
Thank you so much for the question! For the car parts scan, I'd recommend the Revopoint 3D scanner over the KIRI engine due to its real-world accuracy. But keep in mind, you do need a scanning spray to paint over the car part if the part you are trying to scan is reflective or dark
What android phone would you recommend to get the most out of Kiri? I understood Apple has lidar sensors and this helps a lot with the results, any options in Android?
Hey David! Thanks for the question! Like I replied in the other comment, believe it or not, Apple's LiDAR isn't necessarily helping with the results but more with the user feedback, so whatever you can get from Object Capture in KIRI Engine, you can almost always get it in greater detail with the Photo Scan in KIRI. And for Android recommendation, as far as it has a great camera, it will get the same result as from an iPhone, so any latest Android phones with good cameras should be good for your choice :)
I would like to know if the images scanned are available to others when done in the cloud? This is an important question as an artist using it on my own work and not wanting to compromise my copyrights.
Great question! On the uploading page in KIRI Engine, you will have the option to make your 3D model visible or invisible to others. If this is something you want to keep it with yourself, you can just turn off the visibility button :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 Love your marketing and videos. Thanks for the information so is there anything in the fine print that says you have rights to the images. I'm updating my book '3D Technology in Fine Art and Craft: Exploring 3D Printing, Scanning, Sculpting, and Milling," and reviewing things to share with the reader. Thanks,
@@WomenSteppingOutside Thanks! Actually you can find our full end-user agreements here: www.kiriengine.app/user-agreement, if you ever have any concerns or questions regarding the user agreement, please don't hesitate to let me know via my email jack.w@kiri-innov.com :)
Hey DragonballToys, thanks for the question! 3D scan result-wise, both devices have equally good results. But KIRI Engine on iPhone does have a better user experience than it is on iPad because we primarily designed KIRI Engine for phone, not for tablet
@@darkstarprojekt He mentioned that at the beginning of the video. Scan results showed in the video are not fake. He illustrated both advantages and disadvantages and you can make the decision yourself which one to pick. It doesn't make sense to say "Bias" when you have not fully watched this video.
@@darkstarprojekt He's actually the founder/ceo (so there may be some bias) but he's upfront about it... when you use the Kiri Engine app, you'll see his honesty through, does work like a charm for the most part and has great potential for improvements, some really awesome flaw-free 3d models have come out of Kiri
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 first app ceo that gave an actual reply, I love how you care about this and want to send us to the future! The premium version has been a complete game changer as well as the photo and featureless object scan!
Actually, I just made this tutorial video on how to properly scan human head with KIRI Engine, check it out :) th-cam.com/video/bqN5IWSm2zE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vheqOeJstk_NwBVL
I want to scan people’s faces for 3d printing. Will this work for me or should I buy the $1500 dollar scanners. And if it works, what IPhone is the best?
Hi there, thanks for the question :) That actually depends on what you want to use with your face scan. If you are looking to use the face scan for 3D printing, then yes, you'd need a 3D scanner like Revopoint or better; But if you looking to use the face scan for game development or VFX, actually KIRI Engine + Unreal's Mesh to Metahuman would be better alternative for better texture and rig control. And if you are with the latter use case, You don't have to have an iPhone, both Android and iPhone work equally the same for face scan and with the mesh you can use it in Unreal-s mesh to metahuman
Hey NFTwizardz! Yes, it is definitely possible. I'm actually making a complete tutorial video on how to properly scan heads and body using KIRI Engine. Stay Tuned :)
Hey Karol! Thanks for the question, but unfortunately KIRI Engine doesn't have in-app scaling feature yet. So you'd have to import the 3D model to other 3D software like Blender to scale it yourself :)
Good question :) The answer is yes! As long as you can take photos around it, we can 3D model it! It can be drone footage shooting around a mountain or even a video shot from space to orbit around the Earth! (theoretically, because I obviously haven't tried lol)
Hey! Thanks for commenting, actually there are several videos on TH-cam that show how to use KIRI Engine to scan all sides, here is one for example, let me know if it couldn't help, I'll see what I can do to help you with the questions :D th-cam.com/video/eZIp6dgGRFM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wxkHv85DuSjKT1sV
I’ve seen it but it’s like a mini clip part of another video. It’s not clear if you have to just the move the object and lineage the camera still or you can circle around it first and then move the object and circle around again. In this video for example you do scan the statue on all sides but the with Kiri you didn’t hehe
@@Teteerck Ah I see, the reason why different videos show you different approaches is because you really can use different scanning methods. The way I personally like to use to scan objects on all sides is: 1. put the object on a place where you can easily walk around it to take photos 2. when taking photos, don't move the object, you walk around it and take the first rotation of photos 3. then flip the object to another side, and walk around it again to take the second rotation 4. Do it one more time with another side 5. On the uploading page, make sure you turn on the "Auto Object Masking" toggle, then upload the photosets
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 thank you! :D on iphone the best results to scan something like a show would be with the normal "photo" scan or with lidar o any other method? :o
@@Teteerck If the object itself has enough features point, I'd still recommend the photo scan mode which is completely free. Despite all the recent "NeRFs, 3DGS" and all other vibes, photogrammetry is still the king in terms of generating usable mesh
Hi there! Thanks for the question! Actually, we don't use accuracy to measure the quality of photo scanning techniques, because the level of accuracy depends on the image quality and the level of features points on the object surface.
But let's put it this way. If the object has enough features points, and the image quality is good. The re-scaled 3D model can have less than 1% of accuracy loss, which is almost the same (if not better) comparing to Revopoint
Hey! Thanks for the comment! I like Polycam too, it's one of the very first 3D scanner apps on iPhone. I actually did a comparison video the other to show my favourite 5 3D scan apps, feel free to take a look: th-cam.com/video/9dyAj9gXIms/w-d-xo.htmlsi=40XQoV0z0D_qfbgO
Hey~ Yes, you can :) In KIRI Engine, you can actually export the 3D model in STL format, which is perfect for 3D printing! But I do wanna point out that when scanning a person, because the person would be moving slightly, KIRI Engine can be hard to use to scan not-stationary objects. But feel free to try it out :)
Trying out Kiri engine, and I don't see an option anywhere to make the model watertight or fill in holes, All I get is a shell with an open bottom tons of holes that I can't 3D print. Any tips for cleaning it up and making it 3D prinable?
Hey Professor! First of all, love your video :) Like I described in the video, if you get tones of holes from a 3D scan, it generally mean the object itself doesn't have enough features points. I suggest look for some objects that have enough features points for photogrammetry. It should be watertight by itself if the object is right :) Let me know if still no success
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 I scanned a cup with a lot of features on the face of it. But because it was a cup I couldn't really get a good view inside it past the top lip. So I ended up with, essentially, a tube of useful points, with an open top and an open bottom. And besides scanning it on a sheet of clear acrylic, I'm not sure what I can do about closing up the bottom, but the top should have been closed in some way, right?
@@3dpprofessor Ah I see! If you have gotten the sides of the cup and just want to close the top and bottom, use the cropping feature in the app, you can just plane cut the top and bottom part and there's a option called "Fill Hole", turn that on wait for the server to process it, then you should get a watertight surface
how is good on scanning THIN, SMall Convex/concurve objects....vintage 80s he man 2 peice armor each part is 2mm of wall thickness, has pins and hinges also at 2x2mm and very convex and concuve
hey CanadienMikey! Thanks for the question! It actually depends on whether the armour is shiny. If the armor is shiny, you need to prepare it to make it not shinny (e.g. put on scan spray), then both KIRI Engine and Revopoing should work. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine first because it's free to try anyways, if it doesn't fulfill your needs, then an actual 3D scanner might be a better option in your case :)
Holy heck, this is such a good video and about as unbiased as you can get considering it's from the founder and CEO of KIRI Engine. KIRI Engine looks phenomenal and I'm excited to play around with it a lot more. I'm a but upset I gave away my iPad Pro with LIDAR to a friend who needed something for college a while back so I can't use the LIDAR enhanced meshing, but the other features seem to make up for it in other ways. Also, Jack, I love your enthusiasm and energy. You're a shining beacon of positivity it's enlightening and contagious. Please keep being you.
Hey MasterThief!! Thank you so much for the kind words :) Haha, yeah LiDAR scan in KIRI Engine is gorgeous. But in terms of the final 3D scan result, sometimes photogrammetry will produce better mesh details :) So don't be too frustrated even if the iPad Pro isn't around. Hey, feel free to try it out and let me know how it goes :)
The phone without LiDAR, KIRI Engine has photogrammetry. And honestly, in my opinion I think LiDAR has been over-hyped for 3D scanning, because when it comes to the texture and mesh quality, LiDAR can't compete with photogrammetry, so you still have our best tech even if the phone doesn't have LiDAR
Hey SmockPhotography! Thanks for the question :) because the black metal object is shiny and dark, it's pretty hard to scan unprepared no matter is you are using KIRI Engine or Revopoint 3D scanners. So to scan a black metal logo, to get the best result, you need to properly prepare it by applying a layer of scanner spray. You can find some of these scanner sprayers here: www.amazon.com/3DTOOLS-Revopoint-Scanners-Reflective-Transparent/dp/B0D56LWK22/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1EN5FWF51UISD&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.264MFboiQnqyTs9_H8--VokvNpGwxcahb7fCcDrFqIJgMNRrIV65e1afrU4cRq6ygIsVppexrnH7lTord-WVpqQRmUID066TNsx19fAOqBokhQpw3FaOeTeDwB7p2iqEjMDUSY-9gAFLQu6i8YCN5T220972qEI0uDsE4cItoQOwhkXEtShWP3fU_ShmD5FVUrJ7TavEvWqCrFiTUb_Ru4CAy8z6gB1_kXiZLOvRfxebbmWvK2mcKizcjVkxK6s2St4VayneTL7I43YBuNC-DWhF0eP93egKMGrCFSayGYI.LYTmyeYA-fzmIy-PyqCvc2rqLJCUgBfAElGRLYtb0lw&dib_tag=se&keywords=scanner+spray&qid=1724643250&sprefix=scanner+sp%2Caps%2C499&sr=8-3 Once you get these sprays, both KIRI Engine and Revopoint should work pretty good. Feel free to let me know how it turns out :)
Heyyy Slabua :) Thanks for comment, I knew someone would bring this up :) I think because KIRI Engine uses any smartphone, it really doesn't count as an extra cost
Hey Antonio! Thanks for the comment. To make sure our company can grow and delivery better products over time, we really need a business model to support the team financially. But in this video, all that I've shown in KIRI Engine are the FREE features, if I were to compare the paid features in KIRI with Revopoint, oh man, we can do so much more :)
you should be using scanning spray with teh scanner, and you should be taking more scan with different exposures, this feel like an ad for your app, your program is amazing but put some effort in those videos, or don't make em
Hey mbow! Thank you so much for the comment! I honestly didn't realize many scanner user would use scanning spray. I'll sure to make more videos in the future to compare the results from the scanning sprays. But thank you so much for letting me of this, this is very valuable to me
Nothing is free. I will NEVER install anything advertised as 'free'. I admire the work you put into hacking IOT and pre-existing platforms and creating the software to make these things, but I am extremely wary of sharing my work on other peoples software.
Hi there! Thank you for sharing your thought with us :) I completely understand your concern, in fact, KIRI Engine uses a business model called "Freemium" to maintain our operation. That is, we provide basic features free for everyone, but trying to convert a percentage of the users who uses the free features to use our more powerful paid features. It's called the "80-20 rule", although the majority of 80% of users can totally benefit from the free service we provide, even if there are 20% of hardcore users who need more advanced features to accomplish their work, we will generate enough revenue to help grow our company to develop better and better products. And for the record, some people would think a company can make money by selling user data, but the truth is, you really can't make a living by selling data, haha. Any legit companies don't really have the motivation to do dark businesses like one would think :)
Except there are many great, free apps available that literally cost the end user nothing aside from the installation (and without giving up rights to your data). Your personal policy about free apps might be costing you.
@@clkb8moto@clkb8moto Totally agree, there are indeed other apps that are completely free. But in the long run, I think an app would really need a business model to keep it alive, don't you think :) If they don't charge any money from end users, they probably will run out of money soon or like @darkstarprojekt said, get money from other things like throwing randoms ads to their users or selling user data :(
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 I'm not worried about selling of data, I'm more worried about cloud based software that can see what I'm making (nothing illegal, just propriatory)
Very poor comparison, technically as you didn't show the base mesh of the mini, say Lidar when it's not , Apple can say whatever they want, but that is not a Lidar, it's a dToF camera and again you didn't show the mesh. You are confusing 3d scan with 3d model or use them at convenience ,but they are not the same thing. One thing is a 3d scan, other is a 3d model. Precisely, the ones that made good visual 3d models but bad scans , you didn't show the mesh of that, if you want to compare a 3d scanner compare the 3d scans , point cloud or mesh. Scan with Kiri is not free either, the iPhone is $1400 as you need pay the data plan, we can discuss that probably you have one anyways but that is not the point. Also you took the worse scanner in that price range probably,also the scanners are sold and made for specific sizes, (some can do small to big as new Creality scanners) if you make that comparison with the Creality 3D scanners Otter and Raptor, Kiri 3D scans would look quite bad compared, as the textures of them would look quite badd compared with Kiri. Many scanners has not color even textures, it is not a important variable for them ,is geometric fidelity and precision. Other thing that you compare but it is not comparable are the textures type, as the photogrametry ones will be always better as they are pictures retro projected while the 3d scanners textures are vertex color from XYZRGB point clouds and the mesh receive colors from them and interpolate the faces colours. Again you are comparing apples with oranges there. You can still make a perfect 3D scan with reprojected textures, in example using the scanner mesh and align with the Photogrametry mesh and transfer the texture so easy as that, well no so easy but it is in your hand help with that. You are doing very nice job as CEO, you are making a great product, for sure you are nice guy, easy to note that and I think you probably made what in yours eyes is informative, representative, whatever, I would forbid that from a reviewer, but are the CEO, even if you didn't under a interested point of view, you are a interested part, so with the above makes this video look a kind of miss informative and biased. Is nice to see you in the screen and would try show to apply your app in real world use cases with scanners ,as swapping textures to improve the scans than compare them. Photogrametry can scan as good as almost any scanner but paying a price in equipment, as polarised equipment, etc maybe you can help us with that, in fact, commercially is one of the possible use cases of your app, make textures for 3D scans, I would happy to help with that . Sorry by my bad English
Hey Flameawer! Wow, thank you so much for this super detailed comment :) You made yourself very clear, and English isn't my mother tongue either. I agree, say 90%, of the the opinion stated :) Obviously you are a very very knowledgeable person in 3D scanning, but a lot of users who use KIRI Engine are not experts in such techs. For many many times, people have asked should they buy a 3D scanner or use a 3D scan app, and I totally agree with you, I'm comparing apple with orange here. But if that's what people got mostly confused about, I should at least do a comparison to show what they perform like shoulder to shoulder :) And actually, I was surprised a bit too, did you know that the Revopoint Pop 3 can also give you color textures based on topology? There is an option in the Revopoint software where you can choose to either have a color image or vertext image. I think I slightly showed it in 6:42 of the video. But still, the RGB camera in the device is pretty bad for cost optimization
I believe your software can successfully scan, but I'm not sure if you process the results from the mobile app. Before buying the scanner, I thought about using my phone to scan instead. But honestly, I couldn't get any decent results-there were huge errors. That's why I ended up getting the scanner to get the results I wanted.
cina scammer!
I tried Kiri about couple months ago, but it didn’t work well for me. I switched to Polycam, which was a bit better but still disappointing. There is no problem with the texture, but I'm more interested in the accuracy of the model.
I tried using your software, but the results were disappointing. Plus, it takes 30 minutes to create a model from 10 images. And if you want more features, the yearly membership costs over $400, which is just way too expensive.😐😐
Better get the 600 usd one
If you have the time and pc just use reality capture. It’s the professional way.
scammer made in cina
IMHO It' absolutely appropriate for you to make this kind of video. It's wonderful that you try to be fair when comparing your products to "competitors".
The ONLY issue with your other video was that you didn't disclose that Kiri is your product.
Hey man! Thanks for the question :) Yeah, I confess I was being cheeky in my previous video comparing the 3D scanning apps, that's why I added my background disclaimer in this video to avoid misunderstanding haha. And honestly, I don't really see a $600 3D scanner as our competitor because as I indicated in this video, they are really designed for different use cases :) If you are looking to get best texture quality for game design or VFX, doesn't matter how expensive a 3D scanner hardware is, photogrammetry will always win; But if you are looking to using the 3D model for measurement and reverse engineering, never use photogrammetry, buy a 3D scanner :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 hi there, I was wondering if a Creality $400 scanner (CR-Scan Ferret Pro 3D Scanner) would be a better choice than a phone app to recreate a center dash panel from a car. I have the 15 inch long x 8 inch wide by 1/2 inch piece out of the car and in my hands, and I tried Polycam and it came out ok, but I feel like a scanner would allow me to capture the full exact dimensions so we can recreate a replica?
@@upload638 hi upload! Yes, you are correct; if you are looking for accurate dimension measurement, you should buy a 3D scanner. But keep in mind if the center dash panel is dark in color, it can be challenging for the actual scanner, you should also get scanner spray to apply on top
Aesub scanning spray. I recommend the orange. Don’t use a 3D scanner without scanning spray. 90% of my parts I had to scan needed scanning spray because of color or reflective surface. I own Einstar, Einscan-SPv2 and Revopoint mini.
Is the spray removable, or do you end up with your object painted orange?
UPDATE. I received feedback directly from the company. Apparently i was wrong. Please read their reply. I did do a scan it looked really good.
The free part is not completely honest and to say the least it is misleading. True you scan for free, you can upload to their server up to 3 scans per week. But the free version only lets you export a total of three files to your slicer. So what good is it to have a bunch of scanned files you can’t export to print.
Oh you can export more if you pay $2.99 per month.
Hi Brad! Thank you for the comment, and I really appreciate you share your thoughts about KIRI Engine, but unfortunately the information you provided wasn't correct :(
The free plan in KIRI Engine allows you to upload as many 3D scans as you want without limit, but you can export 3 scans PER WEEK; if you used up all three exports this week, you can just wait until next week, and you'll get another three free exports.
I hope these info will cheer you up but feel free to let me know if you have any questions or concerns :)
My apologies for not understanding what it meant. I suggest adding the three weekly export.
I will remove my comment. Since Im wrong i dont want discourage others.
Thank for nice reply and correction.
@@BradRemillard Thank you so much Brad! But you don't have to delete the comment, you know :) Anyways, thank you so much for the understanding, let me know if you have any other questions or concerns ;)
I do 3D printing. What is the quality of stl file after converting scan file to making a 3d printable file. Even on the pro version.
@@BradRemillard Great question! That actually depends on what object you are trying to scan, if the object has enough features point, the straight result is even comparable with some professional 3D scanners, take a look at this viral Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/16l4kxw/3d_scanned_with_kiri_engine_on_an_iphone_14_pro/
But if the object doesn't have enough features points, the surface might be rough for 3D printing, in which case you need to clean up the 3D model using Zbrush or Blender. I'm actually making another tutorial video to show how to clean up 3D scans super easy :)
Sometimes the application crashes, but even though I scanned it very amateurishly, I got great results and went and bought it.
Heyyyy thank you so much for the support! But please don't hesitate to report crash issues at contact@kiri-innov.com, our goal here is to make sure the app runs as smoothly as possible
I love your enthusiasm. I want to learn to 3D scan and make custom parts for my car. 🚙
Thank you so much djbach!!! I'm flattered haha :) Yeah please feel free to let me know if you run into any questions while trying to make custom car parts
Somehow, without watching the video, I know KIri engine is the best 🤣
I'd like to scan a car and later a semi truck.. do you think it could handle that?
Congrats for this cool review. 🙌
I am a user of many photogrammetry, LiDAR, and 3DGS software and apps. KIRI has given me the best response so far in terms of quality, it's just a bit slow in obtaining the model, but still, we're talking about minutes. The user interface design is what I like the most.
Speaking of Revopoint in this comparison, it has that disadvantage, but I think intentionally using black in a scan can be creatively utilized, like a chroma key or mask to remove unwanted parts of the object.
IDEA: It would be amazing if KIRI could do that with a color selector, not just black. I'm not sure how useful it could be, but if feasible, it would be cool.
Hey Mario! I'm so sorry I don't know why I've completely missed your comment here. Thank you so much for the comment and I'm really glad that you liked KIRI Engine :) Actually, did you know that we just made a Blender add-on that can do exactly what you were thinking, the color selector thing? You can find and download the add-on on our Discord server, look for the tutorials-docs-tools channel in the server: discord.gg/3bvNtw9A
I always wondered why don't such apps as Kiri use ToF sensors found in phones. Pretty sure it could result in somewhat accurate dimensions. Maybe you can shed some light on that. Those sensors are used for measuring of room size, for instance. In conjunction with phone's gyroscope I believe the estimation could be done really well.
I also adore Kiri for free exports and consider getting paid option when I'll be scanning a lot of things.
Hey Joe! That's a great question! The short answer is that the ToF or LiDAR sensors on our phones aren't accurate enough to be usable in 3D scanning. It's true that ToF sensors can give instant measurements of the object they're pointing at, but the accuracy is usually in the 1mm-5mm range. Imagine a 3D-scanned surface with 5mm-deep bumpiness all over it. It would be more terrible than even the cheapest 3D scanner you can find. For that reason, ToF or LiDAR data is rarely used in actual 3D scanning techniques for object reconstruction. But you'd see many use cases in which people use ToF sensors to measure rooms, right? That's also because, in a large-scale environment like a room interior, accuracy isn't that critical. You'll be okay if the measurement is 5mm off for your room, right? So that's why it's good for room, but not good for object reconstruction
Thank you, I am new to this. But I will try Kiri Engine Pro with my drones. Maybe I can make a biz out of that.
I found out today that it has a limit of 300 pictures. So already it does not fit my needs. And the export process was not good. In Safari it failed. In Firefox it went okay. And the 3D modell is nearly impossible to rotate as you want.
@@FotografHuatorp Hey fotograf! Oh noooo, I'm so sorry to see if it didn't fit your needs. Feel free to send details to contact@kiri-innov.com, I'm sure the tech support will help you improve the process a bit
I used kiri and I love it. Unfortunately Android phones dont have lidar 😢. Any way to port it to Quest 2/3 to use their cameras and sensors?
Thank you so much!! Yeah, it's a pitty that most Android don't have LiDAR sensors :( And nope, there's no way to use Quest 3 cameras and sensors because Meta hasn't made the camera SDKs available to its developers due to privacy concerns :(
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 ohh I see.. thanks for the reply!!! ☺️☺️
Regarding the the last point, shouldn't the Lidar-Sensor provide all the data required for accurate scaling of the scan? If not/for devices without Lidar, would it be possible to implement the use of reference objects of known dimensions? Dimensional accuracy would be a huge selling point in my opinion
You guys have made again another excellent video. Well done!
Awww thank you so much mrfunnysheep!!
Let me just tell you that as an starter company you are doing just a great job... The problem is that when a company grows, the owner will no longer being replying to comments... Haha !
Haha thanks! Well, I'm still replying. So I guess we not big enough :P But I'll try to reply as much as I can
What do i need, i want be able to make models, to which size is printing anle?
@@nelsonvieira1761 Hey nelson! Thanks for comment! I don't think I fully understand what you mean, unfortunately :( Did you mean how to scale the 3D model to the printing size? If so, I actually made a short tutorial video showing how to properly scale the model :) Here is the link: th-cam.com/users/shortsyYmTl-E963E?si=NQDtjGgNUEdabtLx
Will this be able to scan a clay sculpture I have made from the grey coloured SuperSculpey (medium)? Sizes may vary from 20 - 40 (or slightly more) centimetres.
Oh yes absolutely! Actually, I find KIRI Engine is really, really good at scanning clay sculpture, even with the free plan. You'll be amazed :) Feel free to let me know who it goes
Is once measured and calculated scale ratio of a model scanned by photogramerty applicable for all the other scans made by the same smartphone in order to get the exact dimensions?
Great video. I can't wait to give it a try!
@@mosespray4510 please feel free to let me know if you run into any questions :D
Hi Jack, good video, thank you.
I was just looking at purchasing a Revopoint for doing some scanning on a vintage motocross bike I'm building. Now this video has given me some more thought.
Assuming I'm using an Android Pixel 7 phone, would Kiri be able to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering and also printing for an electric conversion to the bike?
I would like to get some accurate dimensions for various fixing/mounting points. Would the file need to be transferred to different software. If so, I'd be looking at something intuitive, as this is all new tech to myself.
With regards to costs and upgrades, is there a 1 off fee or is it pay per scan if I was looking at more features as a hobby user.
On a side note for your business model, I like to pay for Pro level Apps at the point of purchase, with no re-newable license fee. However, still happy to pay for upgrades if needed.
Thank you in advance for any answers and advice.
Regards,
Dale
Hey Dale! Thank you so much for the comment! I'm glad that my video provided some extra info for your decision :)
Great questions, let's answer them:
1. The ability to scan a fuel tank for reverse engineering: The answer is yes! However, to make an accurate scan with the KIRI Engine, you need to prepare the tank before photo-scanning it. You can buy a scanner spray that can make the surface less reflective, then use some baby power (or chalk power or anything that you can put on the top to increase feature points). Once you've done that preparation, you are ready to make super accurate 3D scans with just your Pixel 7.
2. Measurement: Although the relativity is all there, there is no real-world scale straight out of photo scanning. But it's not an issue, you can manually scale the model to real-world size in other 3D software such as Fusion360, here is a video on TH-cam that teaches you how to scale a photo-scanned model: th-cam.com/video/axdPIc6FqQU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Mx1LyUH_J_ELMgH_&t=316
3. Pricing: Unfortunately, KIRI Engine doesn't have one-off purchase plan. The reason for that is KIRI Engine uses servers on the cloud for processing 3D scans, it's financially not feasible to just charge once but the server cost is being accumulated. However, having said that. I'm almost certain that you can achieve accurate 3D scanning of your bike's fuel tank without having to become a paid user, our free features should be sufficient for your need. Just remember to prepare the object before going for a photo scanning; If you did need a paid plan, although it doesn't have a one-off purchase option, you can actually become a subbed user for a month for only 15USD, then cancel it whenever you finished the project, this way it's much cheaper and efficient than buying a physical 3D scanner :)
Let me know if you have any other questions, happy to answer more :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 , thank you for the informed reply.
I have scanned the tank with zero prep after work this afternoon, as we had nice weather to do it outdoors. The result and level of detail is fantastic and way above what I was expecting, considering no prep was done.
I'm going to try it again tomorrow, but take the photos with a Canon EOS200D for comparison.
I am absolutely blown away by how good this app is, considering that was my first play with it.
Fair play to you, you have developed an outstanding product.
I will look at the link for the software that you have recommended this evening.
Again, thank you 😁👍
Amazing. I'm new to this. Could you kiri scan an entire car with the goal to accurately map mounting locations? I know you said the scale isn't set but could I set the scale on the 3d model by measuring set points on the car then applying that measurement to the set points in the 3d model? (I have an iphone with the lidar & am thinking about using freecad). Thank you for your awesome work!
It's kind of hard to scan a clean car body because of its shiny surfaces. But if you are looking at the mounting locations, I assume it's either a kind of dirty/rusting car or parts of a car? If so, KIRI Engine is up for the challenge. And yes, you can apply the measurement to the set point in software like fusion 360 afterward.
And also, since you have an iPhone with LiDAR, also try our Object Capture under LiDAR Scan option, it will get you some clean results too :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997the mounting locations could be made dirty or perhaps sprayed with a matt paint that can be washed off. What about detail? If I scan a whole vehicle can I then move in closer and closer to the mounting points to get good detail in those areas? Sometimes they will be holes, sometimes channels with outer lipped edges etc. How mm perfect could these areas be scanned? Does Kiri deal with holes and pockets well?
@@sharpsticksnz4112 Hi! Thanks for the reply! If you can actually make the part dirty or put on matt spray to create more feature points, then you can get really accurate models that you wouldn't tell differences between KIRI app and the under-1000-dollar 3D scanners. And yes, if you can make enough feature points, you can take close-up photos to capture more details. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine app, it's free after all :)
Excellent Video! The results are amazing! but currently scanning spray should be considered standard when using consumer scanners. Also if you buy a Scanner for 600$, a few for the spray should not matter to much.
Thank you so much for the comment! And yeah honestly I didn't realize that so many people would use scanning spray because in some parts of the world it's pretty hard to get scanning sprays. But I'll make sure to make more video in the future to compare the result from scanning spray
Does your app support retroreflective reference points? Would it be feasable to implement to Track geoemtrys with low feature density? They could also be put on the surrounding geometry instead of the model 🤔
Actually, we believe we have a better solution. In this video I only talked about the free features. But we also have upgraded premium features, which have a pretty unique thing called "Featureless Object Scanning." What's cool about it is that it uses a neural network-based algorithm to generate mesh even if the object itself doesn't have feature points. I made a thorough overview video here, feel free to take a look :) th-cam.com/video/Lq2-lZ5xqu8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=z-lGcKM4zwWNb4iG
So I have been trying to make this app work for a long time and it never gives decent results. I would say that a device made for 3d scanning is going to be much better than an iffy phone app.
Thanks for the comment! Like I indicated in the comparison video, it really depends on what type of objects you were trying to 3D scan :) If it's an object with a lot of features point (for example, a tree stump or a rock) the end result from a 3D scanner app is pretty much the same from a 3D scanner hardware. But if the object is in pure color, 3D scanner will always do better job :)
Dude nice video, how often have you used your scanner before you made this video?
Are you feeling confident enough to compare your tool with different software where you knowledge might be limited to how it operates?
And seeing how you do photogrammetry while you cast shadows on your object.
You should state that this is meant as advertising and not valuable comparison.
Have you meassured both results?
Does kiri engine support any april tag or marker regocbition so that scale can be applied directly to the model?
Thanks for the comment man! Actually, KIRI started as a structured light 3D scanner company, so we are quite familiar with the technology and how it operates. I don't see why this isn't a valuable comparison, but one thing I regretted is that I didn't get to compare the results with the scanner spray put on, because I recently tried with the scanner spray it made photogrammetry look really no difference with structured light scanner, so I might do another video showing the results with the scanner spray on
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 it is a use case question, if you scan for 3d rendering and putting things into blender scenes it might compare.
If you scan for engineering it would have been a valuable comparison to get realworld meassures and compare them to the results.
I havent used kiri engine yet for photogrammetry, i am a metashape user, i came across the software yesterday and looked at your video.
I personally got a negative impression from it im sorry to say.
I wish it would habe been different, but iam not your target market, to me it felt unprofessional.
I've been thinking about this for a while now.
It seems like what you were saying in the video is that the Lidar in an Iphone helps with the user experience, but it didn't sound like you were saying that the end result is noticeably better when shot with the Iphone. Is that correct? I have an Android, and I'm thinking it's not worth getting an Iphone if the main reason is for scanning.
Hey LincolnWorld! You are absolutely correct! LiDAR has been over-hyped by many people who don't actually understand how 3D scanning works. The 3D results directly from the LiDAR sensor are almost unusable in any application. And that's why you see most of the LiDAR scan demos are for large-scale rooms or environment because such large-scale object can look pretty good even if the accuracy is low.
So when talking about the Object Capture feature in KIRI Engine which utilizes LiDAR and photogrammetry, it only use LiDAR to improve user feedback and improve processing load on your phone, but whatever good result you can get from Object Capture, you can get it better from Photogrammetry
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 Thank you for the info!
@@LincolnWorld My pleasure!! Feel free to fire up more questions :)
I enjoyed the video. It could be what I'm looking for.
Will it scan things like an indicator or light on a car? If I wanted to replace it with a 'custom' light I would need to scan the hole left behind after it is removed.
What about parts of a panel on a car?
Keep up the good work. I love the enthusiasm 👍
Thank you so much for the question! For the car parts scan, I'd recommend the Revopoint 3D scanner over the KIRI engine due to its real-world accuracy. But keep in mind, you do need a scanning spray to paint over the car part if the part you are trying to scan is reflective or dark
What android phone would you recommend to get the most out of Kiri?
I understood Apple has lidar sensors and this helps a lot with the results, any options in Android?
Hey David! Thanks for the question! Like I replied in the other comment, believe it or not, Apple's LiDAR isn't necessarily helping with the results but more with the user feedback, so whatever you can get from Object Capture in KIRI Engine, you can almost always get it in greater detail with the Photo Scan in KIRI. And for Android recommendation, as far as it has a great camera, it will get the same result as from an iPhone, so any latest Android phones with good cameras should be good for your choice :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 great
thanks
I would like to know if the images scanned are available to others when done in the cloud? This is an important question as an artist using it on my own work and not wanting to compromise my copyrights.
Great question! On the uploading page in KIRI Engine, you will have the option to make your 3D model visible or invisible to others. If this is something you want to keep it with yourself, you can just turn off the visibility button :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 Love your marketing and videos. Thanks for the information so is there anything in the fine print that says you have rights to the images. I'm updating my book '3D Technology in Fine Art and Craft: Exploring 3D Printing, Scanning, Sculpting, and Milling," and reviewing things to share with the reader. Thanks,
@@WomenSteppingOutside Thanks! Actually you can find our full end-user agreements here: www.kiriengine.app/user-agreement, if you ever have any concerns or questions regarding the user agreement, please don't hesitate to let me know via my email jack.w@kiri-innov.com :)
What model of iphone did you use from this video? Is iPad Pro better than iphone pro?
Hey DragonballToys, thanks for the question! 3D scan result-wise, both devices have equally good results. But KIRI Engine on iPhone does have a better user experience than it is on iPad because we primarily designed KIRI Engine for phone, not for tablet
Hello, I need lidar to clearly detect large buried metal structures, and I will pay any price for that depth of 4 meters.❤
In my personal opinion, this is a very true, non-bias review.
Yup and the whole thing is done right in our face, couldn't be more unbiased
The dude works for the company for the 'free' one. It's EXTREMELY biased.
@@darkstarprojekt He mentioned that at the beginning of the video. Scan results showed in the video are not fake. He illustrated both advantages and disadvantages and you can make the decision yourself which one to pick. It doesn't make sense to say "Bias" when you have not fully watched this video.
@@darkstarprojekt He's actually the founder/ceo (so there may be some bias) but he's upfront about it... when you use the Kiri Engine app, you'll see his honesty through, does work like a charm for the most part and has great potential for improvements, some really awesome flaw-free 3d models have come out of Kiri
at the start Kiri engine should have won, the shadows made it look more detailed, great app, 5 stars!
Thank youuuuu :) Feel free to let me know if you have any questions in the future
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 first app ceo that gave an actual reply, I love how you care about this and want to send us to the future! The premium version has been a complete game changer as well as the photo and featureless object scan!
Can Kiri Engine scan human body
Actually, I just made this tutorial video on how to properly scan human head with KIRI Engine, check it out :) th-cam.com/video/bqN5IWSm2zE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vheqOeJstk_NwBVL
I want to scan people’s faces for 3d printing. Will this work for me or should I buy the $1500 dollar scanners. And if it works, what IPhone is the best?
Hi there, thanks for the question :) That actually depends on what you want to use with your face scan. If you are looking to use the face scan for 3D printing, then yes, you'd need a 3D scanner like Revopoint or better; But if you looking to use the face scan for game development or VFX, actually KIRI Engine + Unreal's Mesh to Metahuman would be better alternative for better texture and rig control. And if you are with the latter use case, You don't have to have an iPhone, both Android and iPhone work equally the same for face scan and with the mesh you can use it in Unreal-s mesh to metahuman
I need a rough scan of my body is it possible to get for a price that is accurate to scale? Have access to both samsung s24 / iphone 15 pro max.
Hey NFTwizardz! Yes, it is definitely possible. I'm actually making a complete tutorial video on how to properly scan heads and body using KIRI Engine. Stay Tuned :)
Hello, I need lidar to clearly detect large buried metal structures, and I will pay any price for that depth of 4 meters.
Does it possible to scale model from KIRI by known distance/coordinates?
Hey Karol! Thanks for the question, but unfortunately KIRI Engine doesn't have in-app scaling feature yet. So you'd have to import the 3D model to other 3D software like Blender to scale it yourself :)
Can you scan big objects, if so, how big?
Good question :) The answer is yes! As long as you can take photos around it, we can 3D model it! It can be drone footage shooting around a mountain or even a video shot from space to orbit around the Earth! (theoretically, because I obviously haven't tried lol)
Love it. ❤
Thank you so much jaycee!!!
Can you please make a tutorial on how to scan an object on all sides? A shoe for example.
Hey! Thanks for commenting, actually there are several videos on TH-cam that show how to use KIRI Engine to scan all sides, here is one for example, let me know if it couldn't help, I'll see what I can do to help you with the questions :D
th-cam.com/video/eZIp6dgGRFM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wxkHv85DuSjKT1sV
I’ve seen it but it’s like a mini clip part of another video. It’s not clear if you have to just the move the object and lineage the camera still or you can circle around it first and then move the object and circle around again. In this video for example you do scan the statue on all sides but the with Kiri you didn’t hehe
@@Teteerck Ah I see, the reason why different videos show you different approaches is because you really can use different scanning methods. The way I personally like to use to scan objects on all sides is:
1. put the object on a place where you can easily walk around it to take photos
2. when taking photos, don't move the object, you walk around it and take the first rotation of photos
3. then flip the object to another side, and walk around it again to take the second rotation
4. Do it one more time with another side
5. On the uploading page, make sure you turn on the "Auto Object Masking" toggle, then upload the photosets
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 thank you! :D on iphone the best results to scan something like a show would be with the normal "photo" scan or with lidar o any other method? :o
@@Teteerck If the object itself has enough features point, I'd still recommend the photo scan mode which is completely free. Despite all the recent "NeRFs, 3DGS" and all other vibes, photogrammetry is still the king in terms of generating usable mesh
What is the accuracy of the scans? Plus or minus 0.1mm? 0.2mm?
Hi there! Thanks for the question! Actually, we don't use accuracy to measure the quality of photo scanning techniques, because the level of accuracy depends on the image quality and the level of features points on the object surface.
But let's put it this way. If the object has enough features points, and the image quality is good. The re-scaled 3D model can have less than 1% of accuracy loss, which is almost the same (if not better) comparing to Revopoint
What could the kiri engine do if optimized for an insta360 x4?
Woah, that sounds like an interesting project! Honestly, I don't know. But feel free to try it out :)
My personal favorite is Polycam because it uses AI and cloud computing to generate fast meshes.
Hey! Thanks for the comment! I like Polycam too, it's one of the very first 3D scanner apps on iPhone. I actually did a comparison video the other to show my favourite 5 3D scan apps, feel free to take a look: th-cam.com/video/9dyAj9gXIms/w-d-xo.htmlsi=40XQoV0z0D_qfbgO
Lidar object scan needs work. 3 scans just crashed in a row on my iphone.
Hey bro, are you still getting crash issue? Which system version are you at? is that 17.4 or later?
Don't use LIDAR. It does not increase detail in the scan.
Does this works for 3D printing? (If I want to print a face or body)
Hey~ Yes, you can :) In KIRI Engine, you can actually export the 3D model in STL format, which is perfect for 3D printing! But I do wanna point out that when scanning a person, because the person would be moving slightly, KIRI Engine can be hard to use to scan not-stationary objects. But feel free to try it out :)
Trying out Kiri engine, and I don't see an option anywhere to make the model watertight or fill in holes, All I get is a shell with an open bottom tons of holes that I can't 3D print. Any tips for cleaning it up and making it 3D prinable?
Hey Professor! First of all, love your video :) Like I described in the video, if you get tones of holes from a 3D scan, it generally mean the object itself doesn't have enough features points. I suggest look for some objects that have enough features points for photogrammetry. It should be watertight by itself if the object is right :) Let me know if still no success
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 I scanned a cup with a lot of features on the face of it. But because it was a cup I couldn't really get a good view inside it past the top lip. So I ended up with, essentially, a tube of useful points, with an open top and an open bottom. And besides scanning it on a sheet of clear acrylic, I'm not sure what I can do about closing up the bottom, but the top should have been closed in some way, right?
@@3dpprofessor Ah I see! If you have gotten the sides of the cup and just want to close the top and bottom, use the cropping feature in the app, you can just plane cut the top and bottom part and there's a option called "Fill Hole", turn that on wait for the server to process it, then you should get a watertight surface
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how is good on scanning THIN, SMall Convex/concurve objects....vintage 80s he man 2 peice armor each part is 2mm of wall thickness, has pins and hinges also at 2x2mm and very convex and concuve
hey CanadienMikey! Thanks for the question! It actually depends on whether the armour is shiny. If the armor is shiny, you need to prepare it to make it not shinny (e.g. put on scan spray), then both KIRI Engine and Revopoing should work. Feel free to try out KIRI Engine first because it's free to try anyways, if it doesn't fulfill your needs, then an actual 3D scanner might be a better option in your case :)
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 i painted the entire thing in matt paint Green and blue, one side blue one side green
Tried to scan a 3ft model. The software never got past part 1, and crashed every time when starting part 2. Way to sell me on the competition.
Wait what? I'm so sorry to hear that, this doesn't normally happen haha. Which scan mode did you use? Was it object capture from LiDAR Scan?
Holy heck, this is such a good video and about as unbiased as you can get considering it's from the founder and CEO of KIRI Engine.
KIRI Engine looks phenomenal and I'm excited to play around with it a lot more. I'm a but upset I gave away my iPad Pro with LIDAR to a friend who needed something for college a while back so I can't use the LIDAR enhanced meshing, but the other features seem to make up for it in other ways.
Also, Jack, I love your enthusiasm and energy. You're a shining beacon of positivity it's enlightening and contagious. Please keep being you.
Hey MasterThief!! Thank you so much for the kind words :) Haha, yeah LiDAR scan in KIRI Engine is gorgeous. But in terms of the final 3D scan result, sometimes photogrammetry will produce better mesh details :) So don't be too frustrated even if the iPad Pro isn't around.
Hey, feel free to try it out and let me know how it goes :)
what about phones w/o lidar 🤔
The phone without LiDAR, KIRI Engine has photogrammetry. And honestly, in my opinion I think LiDAR has been over-hyped for 3D scanning, because when it comes to the texture and mesh quality, LiDAR can't compete with photogrammetry, so you still have our best tech even if the phone doesn't have LiDAR
I can't seem to get a black metal logo to scan no matter what I do, please help
Hey SmockPhotography! Thanks for the question :) because the black metal object is shiny and dark, it's pretty hard to scan unprepared no matter is you are using KIRI Engine or Revopoint 3D scanners. So to scan a black metal logo, to get the best result, you need to properly prepare it by applying a layer of scanner spray. You can find some of these scanner sprayers here: www.amazon.com/3DTOOLS-Revopoint-Scanners-Reflective-Transparent/dp/B0D56LWK22/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1EN5FWF51UISD&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.264MFboiQnqyTs9_H8--VokvNpGwxcahb7fCcDrFqIJgMNRrIV65e1afrU4cRq6ygIsVppexrnH7lTord-WVpqQRmUID066TNsx19fAOqBokhQpw3FaOeTeDwB7p2iqEjMDUSY-9gAFLQu6i8YCN5T220972qEI0uDsE4cItoQOwhkXEtShWP3fU_ShmD5FVUrJ7TavEvWqCrFiTUb_Ru4CAy8z6gB1_kXiZLOvRfxebbmWvK2mcKizcjVkxK6s2St4VayneTL7I43YBuNC-DWhF0eP93egKMGrCFSayGYI.LYTmyeYA-fzmIy-PyqCvc2rqLJCUgBfAElGRLYtb0lw&dib_tag=se&keywords=scanner+spray&qid=1724643250&sprefix=scanner+sp%2Caps%2C499&sr=8-3
Once you get these sprays, both KIRI Engine and Revopoint should work pretty good. Feel free to let me know how it turns out :)
Great work!!
Thank you so much!!!!
you forgot to add the cost of the phone.
Heyyy Slabua :) Thanks for comment, I knew someone would bring this up :) I think because KIRI Engine uses any smartphone, it really doesn't count as an extra cost
Please turn Google Street View into 3d. I want to drive around and explore the world from my sofa.
Haha it'd be insane!! Actually we have a secret project ongoing that can kind of make this dream come true :) Stay tuned
very cool
Thanks mate :) Feel free to let me know if you run into any questions or concerns
It's a good application but it's not free. In Portugal it is €70 per year.
Hey Antonio! Thanks for the comment. To make sure our company can grow and delivery better products over time, we really need a business model to support the team financially. But in this video, all that I've shown in KIRI Engine are the FREE features, if I were to compare the paid features in KIRI with Revopoint, oh man, we can do so much more :)
you should be using scanning spray with teh scanner, and you should be taking more scan with different exposures, this feel like an ad for your app, your program is amazing but put some effort in those videos, or don't make em
Hey mbow! Thank you so much for the comment! I honestly didn't realize many scanner user would use scanning spray. I'll sure to make more videos in the future to compare the results from the scanning sprays. But thank you so much for letting me of this, this is very valuable to me
Please add Korean to the language setting 😭
app never sends email - sucks forget it
That's weird, did you check the spam folder? Please send us an email at contact@kiri-innov.com, we will help you :)
Nothing is free. I will NEVER install anything advertised as 'free'. I admire the work you put into hacking IOT and pre-existing platforms and creating the software to make these things, but I am extremely wary of sharing my work on other peoples software.
Hi there! Thank you for sharing your thought with us :) I completely understand your concern, in fact, KIRI Engine uses a business model called "Freemium" to maintain our operation. That is, we provide basic features free for everyone, but trying to convert a percentage of the users who uses the free features to use our more powerful paid features. It's called the "80-20 rule", although the majority of 80% of users can totally benefit from the free service we provide, even if there are 20% of hardcore users who need more advanced features to accomplish their work, we will generate enough revenue to help grow our company to develop better and better products. And for the record, some people would think a company can make money by selling user data, but the truth is, you really can't make a living by selling data, haha. Any legit companies don't really have the motivation to do dark businesses like one would think :)
Except there are many great, free apps available that literally cost the end user nothing aside from the installation (and without giving up rights to your data). Your personal policy about free apps might be costing you.
@@clkb8moto@clkb8moto Totally agree, there are indeed other apps that are completely free. But in the long run, I think an app would really need a business model to keep it alive, don't you think :) If they don't charge any money from end users, they probably will run out of money soon or like @darkstarprojekt said, get money from other things like throwing randoms ads to their users or selling user data :(
@@jackisbuildingkiri2997 I'm not worried about selling of data, I'm more worried about cloud based software that can see what I'm making (nothing illegal, just propriatory)
Very poor comparison, technically as you didn't show the base mesh of the mini, say Lidar when it's not , Apple can say whatever they want, but that is not a Lidar, it's a dToF camera and again you didn't show the mesh. You are confusing 3d scan with 3d model or use them at convenience ,but they are not the same thing. One thing is a 3d scan, other is a 3d model. Precisely, the ones that made good visual 3d models but bad scans , you didn't show the mesh of that, if you want to compare a 3d scanner compare the 3d scans , point cloud or mesh.
Scan with Kiri is not free either, the iPhone is $1400 as you need pay the data plan, we can discuss that probably you have one anyways but that is not the point.
Also you took the worse scanner in that price range probably,also the scanners are sold and made for specific sizes, (some can do small to big as new Creality scanners) if you make that comparison with the Creality 3D scanners Otter and Raptor, Kiri 3D scans would look quite bad compared, as the textures of them would look quite badd compared with Kiri. Many scanners has not color even textures, it is not a important variable for them ,is geometric fidelity and precision.
Other thing that you compare but it is not comparable are the textures type, as the photogrametry ones will be always better as they are pictures retro projected while the 3d scanners textures are vertex color from XYZRGB point clouds and the mesh receive colors from them and interpolate the faces colours.
Again you are comparing apples with oranges there.
You can still make a perfect 3D scan with reprojected textures, in example using the scanner mesh and align with the Photogrametry mesh and transfer the texture so easy as that, well no so easy but it is in your hand help with that.
You are doing very nice job as CEO, you are making a great product, for sure you are nice guy, easy to note that and I think you probably made what in yours eyes is informative, representative, whatever, I would forbid that from a reviewer, but are the CEO, even if you didn't under a interested point of view, you are a interested part, so with the above makes this video look a kind of miss informative and biased.
Is nice to see you in the screen and would try show to apply your app in real world use cases with scanners ,as swapping textures to improve the scans than compare them.
Photogrametry can scan as good as almost any scanner but paying a price in equipment, as polarised equipment, etc maybe you can help us with that, in fact, commercially is one of the possible use cases of your app, make textures for 3D scans, I would happy to help with that .
Sorry by my bad English
Hey Flameawer! Wow, thank you so much for this super detailed comment :) You made yourself very clear, and English isn't my mother tongue either. I agree, say 90%, of the the opinion stated :) Obviously you are a very very knowledgeable person in 3D scanning, but a lot of users who use KIRI Engine are not experts in such techs. For many many times, people have asked should they buy a 3D scanner or use a 3D scan app, and I totally agree with you, I'm comparing apple with orange here. But if that's what people got mostly confused about, I should at least do a comparison to show what they perform like shoulder to shoulder :) And actually, I was surprised a bit too, did you know that the Revopoint Pop 3 can also give you color textures based on topology? There is an option in the Revopoint software where you can choose to either have a color image or vertext image. I think I slightly showed it in 6:42 of the video. But still, the RGB camera in the device is pretty bad for cost optimization
3D Zephyr Metashape Meshroom etc are what professionals use. Not this iphone bullshit.