You should attempt to design your own abstract chair for the next video! That way you can avoid any copyright issues and post the design files. Plus, designing your own chair would be awesome to watch.
@@MorleyKert you've done plenty of tables! 😉 Also there are lots of designer chairs lovers out there and if you make something really cool, it would turn into a product!
@@MorleyKert I love each stage of the chair each time the mixed colors show. The thick borders for filling cracks separate parts and help them come together, seems like a piece for a museum walkway around a statue. The stage between coats gives a dusty/faded look, feels kind of like a mosaic piece you'd see in forested gardens. Not sure what I like about the pale green patches on the primer except they add a pattern onto the neutral gray, meant to be nothing but seems like leopard spots.
That is the most unobtrusive, genuine sponsored segment I have ever seen. It fit in PERFECTLY with the flow of the video! GOOD JOB! EVERY youtuber should be doing sponsored segments like this!
7:15 you should be good with "counterfeit" accusations, 1) You reverse engineered it 2) you're not selling it 3) your not saying it IS the real legitimate product (when it's not)
100%. There is nothing illegal about reverse engineering a product for personal use. The issue comes in with the fact the videos are monetized, but the actual content being monetized isn't reliant on the specific product being reverse engineered, it could have been any number of other chairs. That's not actually the part that makes the video money. He could still get a 'slapp' lawsuit though, and that's costly even if you win.
@@rich1051414 I reckon it could be pretty easily argued that the draw of the video is heavily reliant on the fact that it copies an existing design though.
@@salmonch1ld That's not enough though, 'an existing design' falls within fair use in this case since the point of the video is the reverse engineering and building itself. Any other chair could be swapped in, and the value delivered by the content would not change.
@@SenshiSunPower Just like proper High-End Clothing Brands, you wont see Logos, Writings etc on them. Perfect example for that is N.Peal (James Bonds clothing). Just clean, simple but very high-end.
Your sentiment about this not being a threat to Heller’s business is so important! You’re absolutely right that this isn’t scalable at all, and no manufacturer would try and emulate this process. I absolutely love it though, and I’ve done this with designs before for creating 1:1 chairs to give to manufacturers as a reference for more complex geometry. It’s an amazing tool, but definitely not scalable. This video is pure dopamine for me lol, keep up the amazing work!
The furniture company should thank you, over $300 in filament, $200 in Bondo, glue, filler and paint, a month of printing, a learning curve, $1200 is a very fair price for the chair. I think it's super dope you made it. Nailed it and you impressed your wife (10 bonus points)
Yeah $500 in materials, ~50 hours of labour and 6 weeks of total time definitely makes the $1200 price point look much more reasonable. This video actually paints the designers in a pretty good light
Worked in bodyshop work for a couple years, one thing to avoid is using sharpie to mark spots, even if you sand it off, its notorious for bleeding through the final paint, might not happen right way, but the stuff in sharpies seems to eventually show. Also, the brighter/glossier the colour, the more the lows and highs show. White is best colour to hide all of those. Either way, its amazing.
Sharpie bleeds through just about all “run of the mill” paint. It’s not until you get into the better primers (most of them being oil based) that you can cover sharpie. As @turtle9er said, it’s best to avoid using sharpie on anything you’re going to paint.
@ Ok. And? Neither one of us mentioned anything about Permanent marker being impossible to remove. If you go back and read both comments you will notice we were talking about painting over the marker. Keep in mind, if you applied isopropyl alcohol over the multiple layers of Filler primer it’s going to take it off along with the marker.
@@savage6394 pencil for the win. I found out the hard way by getting to finishing and the painter not being happy with me, never made that mistake again
this is my first time watching one of your videos considering that I have no interest in 3d printing or furniture, and a short attention span, I ended up watching the whole video, and man was it a blast! the simple explanation of your actions, your energy and eagerness, the music, everything was just perfect! and that's how you got a new sub, my man
If he can do it, we can do it as well as he show us how he does it. We can construct a $1,175 chair for 1/4 of the price and get everything else we need from the internet.
I do bodywork for a living on classic cars and one product I can tell you about to make your sanding process faster on the primer side is 3M guide coat. You literally just brush it on and then start sanding and it will highlight all of your lows and inconsistencies for you and lead to you using less bondo and primer later! You did a great job for this being your first time using bondo!
@@MinkSquared It lasts a very long time though. You will get many small jobs like this out of a single small tub. Its well worth the money. Your essentially just lighly dusting it in black powder with the applicator. It uses very little.
you have provided them massive free publicity. How many of your audience had even seen one of their chairs?---answer, none of us. How many would even consider trying to do what you did? No one. At $1200 their chair is a bargain compared to what you would have to go through to make one---In labor and materials my guess is that your version of their chair would cost (counting hours of labor) at least $5000-$6000. So, yep, no competition. Thanks for an incredible video, incredible workmanship and examples of 3d printing.
This is my first video watching this guy, and I gotta say I love the integrity. Not posting the files online is a bold but smart move, and I can tell that your intentions for making videos really are genuine. Amazing video. 10/10 guy.
ayeeee first time viewer club! definitely agree, it’s nice to see creators just doing something for the heck of it. i was pretty happy when he said he wouldn’t post the files. we can do things for fun and do right by others too!
this chair can be easily modeled in any CAD software such as fusion 360. I tried doing it while the video was running, a simple version of the chair took me about 5 minutes to model. a simple version can be made as follows: start at origin to make a quarter of an circle or better ellipse that curves 90 deg upwards. give it thicknwess by adding a quarter concentric ellipse to create a face. now revolve the face 90 degrees around the z axis to the back. then revolve the same face around the y axis. now you have a quarter of the whole chair. mirror once around the Z and Y plane and the chair is complete.
Yee... I am impressed by the project in the video, and the organic shape surely has some adcantages, but that shape is not really that complex nor particullarly organic
I don't have loads of experience using 3d modelling software. I've dabbled, but I'm still sure I could make that in 30 minutes in blender. There's way too much symmetry to ever think that "sculpting" it was necessary. Sorry Morley, but I genuinely cringed seeing you model it like that.
Just thinking of how I'd do it as an amateur, I'd probably start with a sphere, create a sketch of the back section that is cut out, revolve it as a subtraction, then cut out the top and bottom with subtractive spheres and cut the leg area out with half a torus of the same diameter. Just a thought.
This was the first video of yours, and now im obsessed. Ive been planning on getting a 3d printer for a while, and im going to start working on getting one. I saw this video hours ago, and i cant stop watching. Love the content, keep it up!
To be honest, these recreations actually make me appreciate the original more. You may be spending a lot less on material cost (though that's still surprisingly high), but also just the person hours to get it shaped and assembled. Especially the finding out that the original shape wasn't the best for a chair, like that's something they would have had to iterate on a lot in the original's design phase to make it comfy for human butts. It actually makes me appreciate the price tag of the originals _more_ than I did at first glance!
wondering the same, i bet considering the 3d material, glue, printing energy, labor cost probably is much higher than the original 1175 bucks... its nice experiment, but it makes you question whether 3d printing will be ever be more cost effective than regular mass production..
@@jameshomer2949printing will never be more cost effective than mass production since mass production is hightly tweaked to be as efficient as possible to pump product out as fast as possible, printing however does save you more cash as long as you dont mind putting in some work over the next couple weeks, tbh most people care about saving money than they do about saving themselves from doing work
I guess 3d printing furniture will only become economically viable in the future when large scale printers become accessible to the public for cheap. Most printers now barely have a build volume of 300x300x300@jameshomer2949
@@jameshomer2949 For a mass production you would use much bigger printers, which would avoid the using of glue and filler. But the video makes it pretty clear that it isn't overall cost effective to print the furniture by yourself.
for anyone who wants to do sculpting I recommend the following: sculpt with clay (not real clay, the clay product designers use) you can put that in the oven and sculpt the over all form, when it cools you can do more details and put in the fridge for making everything smooth. Then take your phone and 3D scan it Take Rhino or another 3D modelling software and let it turn your polygon scan into a nurbs or subdivision surface. you can let it simplify the object and it will smooth it out even more.
Many people have forgotten about Blender. If you're starting out, use that. It's free, that's the main reason. It supports a wide variety of file types (meaning you should be able to import those scans easy enough), and it has sculpting, video editing, 3D models, a ton of modifiers, community driven plugins, it's honestly an insanely powerful tool once you get into the weeds of it. People make everything from 3D animations to objects and animations for games in it. Yes, it's a little outdated and not as feature rich... But you can learn a lot on it before you fork over money for a more feature rich product's licence.
@@Deja117 Outdated? Blender is constantly being updated in addition to being free, and many of the features it lacks (like in depth animation tools) aren't relevant for modeling. The fact this guy spent $20 on an app when he could have used a free program is baffling to me.
@@gooberuploadsincnah, designer chairs like this are usually this expensive, I studied designer furniture as an interior design student you're not just paying for this kind of furniture for the sake of putting it in your house, but rather you're paying for the material and the craftsmanship that was used to make the designer furniture. some designer furniture that aren't 100% plastic molds are made by hand and are only produced in small quantities I'd say it's more like an art piece that you can sit or lie down on, hence the expensive price
Liked, shared and commented. But Corvettes don’t rust. They r a fiberglass body. The subframes can rust. But u wouldn’t repair it with Bondo. And for the future,Bondo is about the worst plastic body filler available. But I really truly enjoyed yer video. I’d b interested in knowing if those seams crack. If they do. Grind out the Bondo and first use a hairy strand fiberglass. After that use a decent body filler. Again not a criticism. I like yer stuff.🍻🗽🤴🏻 16:30
@ I haven’t bought fillers in probably 30 years so I’m out of the loop on newest best stuff. U can watch some u tube videos or ask at yer local body supply store. Pole barn garage on u tube has discussed them in many videos. Sorry I can’t b more help but I know Bondo isn’t a decent one. It’s like dog food. The big popular brands rnt the good one’s
please please PLEASE post your journey, warts and all! I would LOVE to see a series charting your evolution and journey from Blender noob to 3D expert!!
hey man just a small tip, when your spraying, try spraying from further away and go for multiple light cotes rather than going for a solid fill immediately. You will get a much better finish this way ! love the build !
I really loved the litte dance montage you and your wife did when showcasing the finished chair! Now I just really hope that this is exactly what the workers at Heller Furniture do every time they also finish one of these chairs! 😂
@@lunlunnnnn if you look at the perspective that this is made to get views on youtube, it isn't exactly far fetched, as the saying goes "IT'S FOR CONTENT!"
The modeling part was the most chaotic and unnecessarily complicated modeling process I've ever seen, and I loved it because I have similar solutions sometimes. Sometimes I model super accurate industrial stuff in C4D, which is not optimal 😂 but I have to say you could have done it in an hour with much less headache and in a cleaner way.
Step1: Open Cad Step2: add Half-Circle in Center Step3: Create second plane a set distance below first Half-Circle Step4: Create second half circle on that plane Step5: Create Plane on the edges (tangent) of the two half-circles Step6: do the same for the other side Step7: Create Profile to "Path Extrude" or whatever it is called in your Cad Step8: "Path extrude" (keep in mind there is some Boolean stuff going on so there needs to be a gap from the Profile to the Distance of the two planes halfed) Step9: There is a hole in the middle. Simply extrude the Half circle in the middle. and the rounded edge next to it. Step10. Realise there is some gap. Think about what to do. => Maybe better surfacing tools. or exporting it into a different organic software => Patching it up
This way sculpting it makes it look so bad. Better rely on the maht in cad and its not really that difficult you can also insert a function to model it along the path and if not just draw the outlines of the chair and vectorize it in inkscape and then extrude
Consider using carpenter's wood clamps to firmly hold pieces together while gluing/drying. You can add washers, furniture feet, or felt to spread the load and not scratch, damage or dent anything.
When I saw the video, I immediately thought to myself that there must be an easier way to design the chair without complex 3D modelling. So I opened tinkercad and experimented a little. After a little more than an hour I had a presentable model of the chair. Of course, this version can't keep up with a professional CAD programme, but I think that a similar structure should be possible there. I'm still fascinated by how the project turned out in the end. The chair looks really comfortable. Thank you very much for this project!
What is very interesting with both chair projects is that it seems to make their prices *more* reasonable. While I’m sure they are using different manufacturing methods, when you factor in materials, labor, design efforts, shipping, typical retail costs, etc then spending $1100 for that chair that “only” costs $450 in materials seems very reasonable. Obviously economies of scale versus one-offs, but still.
Yeah, he didn't tell us how long in man hours, he told us there was a nine hour print for one part of twenty two total prints. Assembly and bonding time, then flattening and filling before painting. Starts looking like the better part of a month for one man doing nothing else. Which is not economical 😂
Im no businessman but I feel like someone will buy the cheapest one and make a mold out of it and saturate the market. Or atleast the listing price. And maybe make it made to order to not waste anything.
@@MangaGamified that’s why intellectual property laws are a thing. Part of the allure for this kind of product is the premium/design/niche aspect of it. *Most* people who want this kind of product don’t want a cheap knockoff and its a small market already, so there isn’t a huge incentive to do that. If it became a wildly popular/trendy item, then you’d have lookalike/similar products, but that’s a different situation
@@RyanCrossOfficial I only pity poor and non-malicious patent holders, patent abusers like Nintendo are already becoming infamous. Heard of their retroactive patent? And what's law w/out justice? in North Korea, Indonesia & china, people literally disappear or something. This will soon be like electric cars/vehicles that will soon be overrated and every other "rich" guy has
What I’ve found is that gyroid infill, like what you’re using, can sometimes be stronger with less infill, especially for impact resistance. For sudden force increases, like sitting down on the chair, using a lower infill density, around 5%, might improve load-bearing capacity and distribute the load throughout the entire chair. This could also make the print faster.
Yes, but gyroid infill is really hard on printers. The shaking can easily knock things loose or out of alignment especially on large prints. Anytime I used gyroid I always have to go back and tighten everything on the printer, especially the bed.
@@ace25805 While it's understandable that gyroid infill might seem more intense due to its continuous curved structure, it's technically less stressful on printers compared to infills with sharp directional changes. Here's why: Smooth, Continuous Motion: Unlike infill patterns like grid or zig-zag that require the print head to make abrupt 90-degree turns, gyroid infill follows a smooth, sinusoidal wave. This continuous, fluid motion reduces the wear and tear on the printer's belts, motors, and frame since there are no sudden changes in direction that could cause vibrations or jerking motions. Lower Acceleration and Deceleration: The absence of sharp corners in gyroid infill means the printer does not need to accelerate and decelerate as aggressively. This results in less strain on the printer's components, which actually reduces the likelihood of parts becoming loose or misaligned over time. Balanced Stress Distribution: Gyroid infill evenly distributes stress across the entire print area. Patterns with straight lines or sharp turns concentrate stress on certain parts of the printer, especially when it rapidly switches directions. This balanced distribution minimizes the shaking effect, especially on larger prints. In essence, while gyroid infill can seem 'shakier' at a glance, it's usually more gentle on the printer than infill patterns with abrupt directional changes. The key is proper calibration and settings adjustment rather than avoiding gyroid altogether." Ps. What printer are you referring to? I have a bambu labs p1p used as a print farm and mine works fine within 0.05mm
Furniture patents and copyright are most of the time so specific that even if your chair is off by an inch or a couple centimeters, it shouldn't be a problem.
@Karpokid This comment oversimplifies the issue. While small design changes like an inch or two may make a difference in some cases, it doesn't necessarily mean that a chair would be free from infringement if it closely resembles a patented or copyrighted design. Both patent and copyright laws are nuanced, and a lot depends on the specific details of the design, how unique the original is, and whether the copy closely matches the protected work.
@ruzziasht349 I realize that patients themselves are very complex and cover a variety of infringement laws but funiture copyright just isn’t that way most furniture is so similar that you have to be very particular with a furniture patents so much so that the way that he made it it would be concerned a breach in the copyright. That's why so may video games can have furniture and vehicles that very closely resemble the real world thing. And just in case someone says it is a unique piece of furniture, it still doesn't matter. Furniture copyrights are all written the same regardless. Most countries follow this.
the real problem is whether the company will take legal action - not because they could win, but because Morley is an individual who has no resources to fight
@@Karpokid anything designer has the same kind of copyright, including dresses. It is virtually impossible to come up with a dress that is fully original. If the manufacturers lobby for tighter control, they will screw themselves up. Besides, we all know that they sell the logo, not the design.
Wait I kinda like the 3d printed one better 😭! It’s cheaper, more colorful, and uses less plastic!😮 Keep up the good work.. Also, now it’s time to remake the magic spun chair.😂
Furniture designs are not protected by copywright laws. You are legally allowed to copy a furniture design as long as you did not use any copywrighted or trademarked materials (plans from the company, branding, calling your product by the name of the existing prodcut).
Ive been following your channel for about 3 years now. Just wanted to say everytime I watch one of your videos it reminds me to create things. I've been getting distracted with life and work but next years goal is to create more! Thanks 😊
Furniture designer here. Pretty cool video, loved the concept, the execution and the editing. Just a couple suggestions: try using blender to model organic shapes like this. I use a similar product, mainly to prototype because as you probably noticed as well it’s impossibile to get perfect shapes. And after the prototype phase you have to remodel in a parametric software. I know it sounds stupid to model organic shapes like these in parametric software but you have to deliver perfect quoted models. Keep it up and try to design a chair yourself as well! It’d be interesting to watch
Awesome work! Really shows how much you learned in the process from your first chair to your second chair. Also congrats on the studio space! I'm so happy to see a Vancouver creator succeeding as I'm sure renting out a studio space isn't cheap in this city! Love your work and great video!
Having watched you for a fair while now, I’ve noticed that when you make something specifically for Eden it’s always stylistically different to the things you make for yourself. Since other commenters are challenging you to design and 3d print a piece that’s uniquely your own, which honestly I think you can achieve easily given your talent and creativity, how about upping the challenge to designing a piece that bridges both of yours tastes and aesthetics? 😊
I love how this shows the cost of materials and the effort to model it yourself. It makes the price of the chair more understandable, even if it is a bit ridiculous.
Blender 3D! It's free, way easier and becoming industry standard, you'll have a much better time making models like this. Steps: -import several photos of the chair at different 90 degree angles as refs (optional) -spawn a plane -cut it in half, mirror on X axis -subdivide (simple mode with no rounding), apply -hit tab for hard editing mode, move the vertices around to get the crude curves -(hit numpad to view orthographic angles and overlay with the ref photos for comparing) -add a Solidify modifier for thickness and another subdivide to round it all -paint vertex weights to adjust the Solidify thickness, more hard modelling adjustments -apply all modifiers -enter sculpt mode (like your paid program there), set mirror X, do final touchups if needed -export as STL ('selected only' and 'scale 1000x') Voila! About an hour or two. There are endless youtube tutorials
The original colors of that chair after you first put it together, really made it look like a very nice piece of modern art; better than most out there today
1:00 thats the one part of fusion 360 i've not had the time to get good at too. But i'd say its always useful to think about where an object has symmetry. In this case the chair hase two planes of symmetry. so once you take advantage of those you're basically only needing to create 1/4 of the chair and then the rest just mirrors that. Then the 1/4 that you have to design you can break up into two sections, there the "seat" curve, and the "arm rest" curve. Both are actually very similar to each other in that they are basically a circle segment in one plane, that curves along another circle segment, or a sin wave in the two other planes. Theres probably some relatively simple cartesian equation for creating this shape as a surface. but even then adding volume to that and creating all the thicknesses and curves of this final chair is a whole extra step to figure out. It probably helps that i'm a maths teacher, so i can see the shape in mathematical terms. But i still wouldnt know how to recreate it in fusion 360 😂. you did a great job modelling it by hand though.
Itried this whle watching the video. a simple version can be modelled as follows: start at the origin to make a quarter of an circle or better ellipse that curves 90 deg upwards. give it thickness by adding a quarter concentric ellipse to create a face. now revolve the face 90 degrees around the z axis to the back. then revolve the same face around the y axis. now you have a quarter of the whole chair. mirror once around the Z and Y plane and the chair is complete.
- 8:37 They *may* actually pay you to work for them. You're very driven, smart && kinda creative && crazy in a good way. They could use someone like you ! 😊
You modelled it yourself from scratch. Legally its not a knockoff - its yours. You did not 3d scan a real one or something. Your manufacturing process is prob also diff than the real one. You could sell these on Etsy for 900 bucks a pop and nobody could sue you - especially with this video as evidence that you modeled it from scratch.
@@crionidel If any of the dimensions or surfaces are not the same as the patent and he used different manufacturing techniques and his own model - its his.
@UnexpectedInquisition there's different kinds of patents that varies WHAT is being patented (design, utility, etc.) and I don't consider myself enough knowledgeable on the topic to start arguing in the comments section. I'm glad you are so sure but I'm betting some lawyers would have a field day if he started selling these. Hope you have a great day 😊
@@crionidel Do you only use the internet for youtube? Have you never gone online shopping? Good grief. Glad you are a legal expert yourself, I appreciate your expert knowledge as a patent attorney.
@@Honïe4 you can also make it in 2 minutes in fusion or any other cad program, its a simple shape thats easy to make when yyou know the tools. But they clearly dont so they picked the most natural tool for them which was sculpting
@@Honïe4I am a beginner in blender, I really wonder how to make a shape like that, if you are good in blender maybe you can share a little tuto ? Thank you :)
10:36 YES THE RUSTY C3 CORVETTE... Please use a different analogy in the future 😅 (for those confused a corvettes body is made of fiberglass so no rust)
They probably would actually, It's: 1. Stealing furniture design 2. Making a cheaper way to access this chair, losing possible sales Although he's not profiting off of anything, he would still most likely get in trouble. (But I'm no expert, so please take this with a grain of salt! You may be right.)
@@eexergamingsk8088 Ben was saying they wouldn't have grounds to sue if he *doesn't* post the files, which is Morley's current plan. That would mean he's not making a cheaper way to access the chair, he's only making a 1-of-1 chair without making it any easier for anyone else to do the same thing. There is of course the argument to be made about the design, but it just doesn't seem worth it to go after him for that.
Post the files. ***k their legacy business for rich fashionistas. Open source the shit that anybody could come up with. They don't own shapes. If enough people fork the project, they can't do ***t
@@eexergamingsk8088 Yes and no. Under USA Copyright, USA Patent, and USA Trademark laws (the IP Laws in America). It highly depends. I can explain but it's a lot to write. In short... It's legal to build a chair and to broadcast that chair. Unless you work for the company or the design is Patented (not copyrighted). Then don't touch the Design. The function of the chair is of Patent Law. The design (color, image, sound, art) is copyrighted. The chair itself is not copyright enforceable nor copyright able. Trademark refers if the Chair is used as Logo but both Trademark and Trade Secrets don't apply here. It can be legally argued that the shape of the chair is copyright able. However, that is all function based (Patent able) and not a copyright. "Function" can not be copyrighted in America.
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You should attempt to design your own abstract chair for the next video! That way you can avoid any copyright issues and post the design files. Plus, designing your own chair would be awesome to watch.
Yeah, I feel like I'm ready for that! Or table... 🤔
@@MorleyKert you've done plenty of tables! 😉
Also there are lots of designer chairs lovers out there and if you make something really cool, it would turn into a product!
A funky chair thats is also a table @@MorleyKert
@@MorleyKert Why not both in one? An abstract chair which provides it's own table?
@@MorleyKert Everyone does Tables...because no one likes Chairs...except for MorleyKert! :)
"should we bring it back to our apartment?"
" *no* ."
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭
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@@MorleyKert I love each stage of the chair each time the mixed colors show. The thick borders for filling cracks separate parts and help them come together, seems like a piece for a museum walkway around a statue.
The stage between coats gives a dusty/faded look, feels kind of like a mosaic piece you'd see in forested gardens.
Not sure what I like about the pale green patches on the primer except they add a pattern onto the neutral gray, meant to be nothing but seems like leopard spots.
absolute cinema
That is the most unobtrusive, genuine sponsored segment I have ever seen. It fit in PERFECTLY with the flow of the video! GOOD JOB! EVERY youtuber should be doing sponsored segments like this!
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@@stephenwilkinson1254 ok stephen
7:15 you should be good with "counterfeit" accusations, 1) You reverse engineered it 2) you're not selling it 3) your not saying it IS the real legitimate product (when it's not)
100%. There is nothing illegal about reverse engineering a product for personal use. The issue comes in with the fact the videos are monetized, but the actual content being monetized isn't reliant on the specific product being reverse engineered, it could have been any number of other chairs. That's not actually the part that makes the video money. He could still get a 'slapp' lawsuit though, and that's costly even if you win.
@@rich1051414 I reckon it could be pretty easily argued that the draw of the video is heavily reliant on the fact that it copies an existing design though.
@@salmonch1ld That's not enough though, 'an existing design' falls within fair use in this case since the point of the video is the reverse engineering and building itself. Any other chair could be swapped in, and the value delivered by the content would not change.
Design has no 'reverse engineering', you can't copy them is like sating you can reverse engineered Mikey Mouse 😂
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Considering that I'd never even heard of Heller Furniture until I saw your videos, they should be grateful to you for the free advertisement.
I'm guessing the people who could drop a cool thousand dollars on a chair like that might not be the target market for this video.
Yoyoyo
Lol you can't sue over a chair. this design has been done by people for every.
@@SenshiSunPower*target demographic*
@@SenshiSunPower Just like proper High-End Clothing Brands, you wont see Logos, Writings etc on them. Perfect example for that is N.Peal (James Bonds clothing). Just clean, simple but very high-end.
Your sentiment about this not being a threat to Heller’s business is so important! You’re absolutely right that this isn’t scalable at all, and no manufacturer would try and emulate this process. I absolutely love it though, and I’ve done this with designs before for creating 1:1 chairs to give to manufacturers as a reference for more complex geometry. It’s an amazing tool, but definitely not scalable. This video is pure dopamine for me lol, keep up the amazing work!
The furniture company should thank you, over $300 in filament, $200 in Bondo, glue, filler and paint, a month of printing, a learning curve, $1200 is a very fair price for the chair. I think it's super dope you made it. Nailed it and you impressed your wife (10 bonus points)
Yeah $500 in materials, ~50 hours of labour and 6 weeks of total time definitely makes the $1200 price point look much more reasonable. This video actually paints the designers in a pretty good light
Yeah.. except for fact that they probably use a mold and don't 3d print their chairs.
At scale their cost is probably around 80-120
@@TheVidoefan shhhhh
@@TheVidoefan Which is a better thing. Molded plastic is more durable than printed PLA.
Worked in bodyshop work for a couple years, one thing to avoid is using sharpie to mark spots, even if you sand it off, its notorious for bleeding through the final paint, might not happen right way, but the stuff in sharpies seems to eventually show. Also, the brighter/glossier the colour, the more the lows and highs show. White is best colour to hide all of those. Either way, its amazing.
Sharpie bleeds through just about all “run of the mill” paint. It’s not until you get into the better primers (most of them being oil based) that you can cover sharpie. As @turtle9er said, it’s best to avoid using sharpie on anything you’re going to paint.
Rubbing/Isopropyl Alcohol removes Sharpie aka Permanent Marker from almost all surfaces. 👍
@ Ok. And? Neither one of us mentioned anything about Permanent marker being impossible to remove. If you go back and read both comments you will notice we were talking about painting over the marker. Keep in mind, if you applied isopropyl alcohol over the multiple layers of Filler primer it’s going to take it off along with the marker.
@@savage6394 pencil for the win. I found out the hard way by getting to finishing and the painter not being happy with me, never made that mistake again
@@savage6394Your point comes across a lot better when you're not being condescending. Just for future reference.
this is my first time watching one of your videos
considering that I have no interest in 3d printing or furniture, and a short attention span, I ended up watching the whole video, and man was it a blast!
the simple explanation of your actions, your energy and eagerness, the music, everything was just perfect! and that's how you got a new sub, my man
Ok
@@NatalieChickenyes
@@JimNortonsAlcoholism ok
Eden didn’t even hesitate with that “no” at the end 😭
Villainous
His poor feelings.
Honestly I bet that if he had asked her to pick a color that would look good in their house she would've probably said yes
If he can do it, we can do it as well as he show us how he does it. We can construct a $1,175 chair for 1/4 of the price and get everything else we need from the internet.
...She did though? You could see a solid 2 seconds of thinking. That is not what "didn't even hesitate" means
@@TokuNorth nerd
I do bodywork for a living on classic cars and one product I can tell you about to make your sanding process faster on the primer side is 3M guide coat. You literally just brush it on and then start sanding and it will highlight all of your lows and inconsistencies for you and lead to you using less bondo and primer later! You did a great job for this being your first time using bondo!
I just looked at the price of that, holy crap its expensive
@@MinkSquared It lasts a very long time though. You will get many small jobs like this out of a single small tub. Its well worth the money. Your essentially just lighly dusting it in black powder with the applicator. It uses very little.
@@strongerandwiser2023 ah i see, thanks for the explanation
You can also do a dusting coat of black primer on top of the gray, and it will show you lows as well. It's very useful and cheap.
you have provided them massive free publicity. How many of your audience had even seen one of their chairs?---answer, none of us. How many would even consider trying to do what you did? No one. At $1200 their chair is a bargain compared to what you would have to go through to make one---In labor and materials my guess is that your version of their chair would cost (counting hours of labor) at least $5000-$6000. So, yep, no competition. Thanks for an incredible video, incredible workmanship and examples of 3d printing.
I'd rather 3D print the chair myself than buy a 1K chair.
This is my first video watching this guy, and I gotta say I love the integrity. Not posting the files online is a bold but smart move, and I can tell that your intentions for making videos really are genuine. Amazing video. 10/10 guy.
Yeah, my first time watching this guy too. It was actually pretty good. Kept entertained and overall good content
Its acually my 1st time aswell
ayeeee first time viewer club! definitely agree, it’s nice to see creators just doing something for the heck of it. i was pretty happy when he said he wouldn’t post the files. we can do things for fun and do right by others too!
same hahhahaa
Same! First video I’ve ever seen and it’s very good! :)
this chair can be easily modeled in any CAD software such as fusion 360. I tried doing it while the video was running, a simple version of the chair took me about 5 minutes to model. a simple version can be made as follows: start at origin to make a quarter of an circle or better ellipse that curves 90 deg upwards. give it thicknwess by adding a quarter concentric ellipse to create a face. now revolve the face 90 degrees around the z axis to the back. then revolve the same face around the y axis. now you have a quarter of the whole chair. mirror once around the Z and Y plane and the chair is complete.
Yee... I am impressed by the project in the video, and the organic shape surely has some adcantages, but that shape is not really that complex nor particullarly organic
same here, took 5 min :)
I don't have loads of experience using 3d modelling software. I've dabbled, but I'm still sure I could make that in 30 minutes in blender. There's way too much symmetry to ever think that "sculpting" it was necessary. Sorry Morley, but I genuinely cringed seeing you model it like that.
did you do that as a surface, or solid body?
Just thinking of how I'd do it as an amateur, I'd probably start with a sphere, create a sketch of the back section that is cut out, revolve it as a subtraction, then cut out the top and bottom with subtractive spheres and cut the leg area out with half a torus of the same diameter. Just a thought.
so, if you put on a "virtual salaray" of 20$ per hour you own chair is probably more expensive than the original one.
Good work =)
"oh thats lovely"
"should we br..."
"No"
she didn't let the guy finish XD
😂😂
@@PurplexvrYT yes she did ??
*MANDELA EFEKT IS REAL*
That's not how it happened tho?
10:30 -- your bondo technique is fine. we're screaming because corvettes don't rust 😂 -- awesome awesome vid!!!
Haha they don’t? Say more! Thanks for watching 😊
@ they're one of the few cars that's been made of fiberglass from the very beginning (since way back in 1953)
they plastic also
Knew this comment would be here😂
Now… your spray paint technique, on the other hand…😬
This was the first video of yours, and now im obsessed. Ive been planning on getting a 3d printer for a while, and im going to start working on getting one. I saw this video hours ago, and i cant stop watching. Love the content, keep it up!
To be honest, these recreations actually make me appreciate the original more. You may be spending a lot less on material cost (though that's still surprisingly high), but also just the person hours to get it shaped and assembled. Especially the finding out that the original shape wasn't the best for a chair, like that's something they would have had to iterate on a lot in the original's design phase to make it comfy for human butts. It actually makes me appreciate the price tag of the originals _more_ than I did at first glance!
wondering the same, i bet considering the 3d material, glue, printing energy, labor cost probably is much higher than the original 1175 bucks... its nice experiment, but it makes you question whether 3d printing will be ever be more cost effective than regular mass production..
@@jameshomer2949printing will never be more cost effective than mass production since mass production is hightly tweaked to be as efficient as possible to pump product out as fast as possible, printing however does save you more cash as long as you dont mind putting in some work over the next couple weeks, tbh most people care about saving money than they do about saving themselves from doing work
@@jameshomer2949I'm pretty sure it already is in various areas. u can get these things monstrous big with multiple extruder and nozzles
I guess 3d printing furniture will only become economically viable in the future when large scale printers become accessible to the public for cheap. Most printers now barely have a build volume of 300x300x300@jameshomer2949
@@jameshomer2949 For a mass production you would use much bigger printers, which would avoid the using of glue and filler. But the video makes it pretty clear that it isn't overall cost effective to print the furniture by yourself.
for anyone who wants to do sculpting I recommend the following:
sculpt with clay (not real clay, the clay product designers use) you can put that in the oven and sculpt the over all form, when it cools you can do more details and put in the fridge for making everything smooth.
Then take your phone and 3D scan it
Take Rhino or another 3D modelling software and let it turn your polygon scan into a nurbs or subdivision surface. you can let it simplify the object and it will smooth it out even more.
Many people have forgotten about Blender. If you're starting out, use that. It's free, that's the main reason.
It supports a wide variety of file types (meaning you should be able to import those scans easy enough), and it has sculpting, video editing, 3D models, a ton of modifiers, community driven plugins, it's honestly an insanely powerful tool once you get into the weeds of it. People make everything from 3D animations to objects and animations for games in it.
Yes, it's a little outdated and not as feature rich... But you can learn a lot on it before you fork over money for a more feature rich product's licence.
what app would you use for 3d scanning?
@@scotth5503 anyone as long it works well, i am just using the built in one in iphones
@@Deja117 Outdated? Blender is constantly being updated in addition to being free, and many of the features it lacks (like in depth animation tools) aren't relevant for modeling.
The fact this guy spent $20 on an app when he could have used a free program is baffling to me.
@@art-eroflore blender supremacy ❤
these printing designer chair videos are doing so well. Good luck Morley. Very good finish
We had bright red plastic Heller dishware, cups and plates, with the exact same aesthetic, in the 1960s.
This chair is actually a real throwback.
but that doesnt mean it can be over a thoufuckingsand dollars
@@gooberuploadsincnah, designer chairs like this are usually this expensive, I studied designer furniture as an interior design student
you're not just paying for this kind of furniture for the sake of putting it in your house, but rather you're paying for the material and the craftsmanship that was used to make the designer furniture. some designer furniture that aren't 100% plastic molds are made by hand and are only produced in small quantities
I'd say it's more like an art piece that you can sit or lie down on, hence the expensive price
10:44 we aren’t screaming because of your bondo technique we are screaming because the corvette has a fiberglass body.
No I'm screaming because bondo over rust is defo NOT a good repair
@@ulrich_badmecanique ofc you remove all the rust before
@@renojackson304 still you don't replace missing metal with bondo lol
@@ulrich_badmecanique A lot of people do.
I was going to say the exact same thing, then saw your post.
Mom as a Patreon supporter is one of the sweetest things I've ever seen
That was the wildest and most fun reveal ive ever seen lol. Twerking, dancing, vibing out. Awesome stuff
Liked, shared and commented. But Corvettes don’t rust. They r a fiberglass body. The subframes can rust. But u wouldn’t repair it with Bondo. And for the future,Bondo is about the worst plastic body filler available. But I really truly enjoyed yer video. I’d b interested in knowing if those seams crack. If they do. Grind out the Bondo and first use a hairy strand fiberglass. After that use a decent body filler. Again not a criticism. I like yer stuff.🍻🗽🤴🏻 16:30
Can I ask what you recommend as a decent body filler? I'm on the hunt for a good one.
Bongo fiberglass filled did as a base coat then then use the fine chop.. then finishing puddy
@ I haven’t bought fillers in probably 30 years so I’m out of the loop on newest best stuff. U can watch some u tube videos or ask at yer local body supply store. Pole barn garage on u tube has discussed them in many videos. Sorry I can’t b more help but I know Bondo isn’t a decent one. It’s like dog food. The big popular brands rnt the good one’s
@@adrienross8458 I agree fiberglass should b first coat. And a hairy fiberglass at that.
@josephknowlton7246 Okay! I will research further. Thank you for the info and advice.
this was the video that finally edge and convinced me to get into 3d modelling. blender is installing as we speak.
please please PLEASE post your journey, warts and all!
I would LOVE to see a series charting your evolution and journey from Blender noob to 3D expert!!
love in the middle randomly playing "unholy" while random dancing skeletons appear, to put like 2 segments on, 10/10
Nice (I didn’t actually read anything)
Same
I honestly think that the multiple colors of each piece look so cool before the painting. Nice!
Painting that piece of art was a cime. But I respect that he had a vision and saw it through.
better than the orange in any case
yup, I agree he could have just retained the colors it looks a lot better than the ugly colored blob.
hey man just a small tip, when your spraying, try spraying from further away and go for multiple light cotes rather than going for a solid fill immediately. You will get a much better finish this way ! love the build !
8:30 dad walked by at this part and sighed
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am raising a loser- your dad probably
I really loved the litte dance montage you and your wife did when showcasing the finished chair!
Now I just really hope that this is exactly what the workers at Heller Furniture do every time they also finish one of these chairs! 😂
Well I really hated it
@@TheRealFlyingAnt yeah same, it just doesn't make any sense to me, like who dances when they get a new chair?
@@lunlunnnnn if you look at the perspective that this is made to get views on youtube, it isn't exactly far fetched, as the saying goes "IT'S FOR CONTENT!"
@@TheRealFlyingAnt I hated it too. Serious cringe. I nearly closed the video but luckily it ended.
@@stiffk666 god forbid people are happy and want to be silly with the love of their life 💀
Making a clone of 1000$ chair for only half a price is a steal, nice chair tho
It's only half the price, if your time is free.
The modeling part was the most chaotic and unnecessarily complicated modeling process I've ever seen, and I loved it because I have similar solutions sometimes. Sometimes I model super accurate industrial stuff in C4D, which is not optimal 😂
but I have to say you could have done it in an hour with much less headache and in a cleaner way.
But he WAS starting with little knowledge on modeling
Step1: Open Cad
Step2: add Half-Circle in Center
Step3: Create second plane a set distance below first Half-Circle
Step4: Create second half circle on that plane
Step5: Create Plane on the edges (tangent) of the two half-circles
Step6: do the same for the other side
Step7: Create Profile to "Path Extrude" or whatever it is called in your Cad
Step8: "Path extrude" (keep in mind there is some Boolean stuff going on so there needs to be a gap from the Profile to the Distance of the two planes halfed)
Step9: There is a hole in the middle. Simply extrude the Half circle in the middle. and the rounded edge next to it.
Step10. Realise there is some gap. Think about what to do. => Maybe better surfacing tools. or exporting it into a different organic software => Patching it up
This way sculpting it makes it look so bad. Better rely on the maht in cad and its not really that difficult you can also insert a function to model it along the path and if not just draw the outlines of the chair and vectorize it in inkscape and then extrude
I don't understand a single shit
@@Zuradetsame lol
Consider using carpenter's wood clamps to firmly hold pieces together while gluing/drying. You can add washers, furniture feet, or felt to spread the load and not scratch, damage or dent anything.
When I saw the video, I immediately thought to myself that there must be an easier way to design the chair without complex 3D modelling.
So I opened tinkercad and experimented a little. After a little more than an hour I had a presentable model of the chair. Of course, this version can't keep up with a professional CAD programme, but I think that a similar structure should be possible there.
I'm still fascinated by how the project turned out in the end. The chair looks really comfortable. Thank you very much for this project!
I'm not the only one that uses tinkercad!
Considering the time and effort and material cost to do it this way, the $1100 is probably a reasonable price
It's to use to make the mold.
It would look better with carbon fiber and modern car shell material. Instead of 3d print plastic.
Nah its way cooler to make it yourself
no
They prob dont do it this way
I love the fact that your Mom is your number 1 supporter
Your relationship with Eden is so fun and pure! So happy I stumbled upon your pallet videos! EASILY my favorite maker on TH-cam 😊😅
Thank you so much!!
8:52
same!
What is very interesting with both chair projects is that it seems to make their prices *more* reasonable. While I’m sure they are using different manufacturing methods, when you factor in materials, labor, design efforts, shipping, typical retail costs, etc then spending $1100 for that chair that “only” costs $450 in materials seems very reasonable. Obviously economies of scale versus one-offs, but still.
Yeah, he didn't tell us how long in man hours, he told us there was a nine hour print for one part of twenty two total prints.
Assembly and bonding time, then flattening and filling before painting.
Starts looking like the better part of a month for one man doing nothing else.
Which is not economical 😂
Im no businessman but I feel like someone will buy the cheapest one and make a mold out of it and saturate the market. Or atleast the listing price.
And maybe make it made to order to not waste anything.
@@bloodvue I would estimate less than a weeks worth of man hours for assembly, though longer duration while waiting for printing/drying/etc
@@MangaGamified that’s why intellectual property laws are a thing. Part of the allure for this kind of product is the premium/design/niche aspect of it. *Most* people who want this kind of product don’t want a cheap knockoff and its a small market already, so there isn’t a huge incentive to do that. If it became a wildly popular/trendy item, then you’d have lookalike/similar products, but that’s a different situation
@@RyanCrossOfficial I only pity poor and non-malicious patent holders, patent abusers like Nintendo are already becoming infamous. Heard of their retroactive patent?
And what's law w/out justice? in North Korea, Indonesia & china, people literally disappear or something.
This will soon be like electric cars/vehicles that will soon be overrated and every other "rich" guy has
I kept seeing this on my recommendation page so I finally tried it out and I am so glad I saw this I loved the video. Sooooo cool
8:20 the dancing skeletons💀💀, i can't😭😭
Me too man it’s just so goofy ah
it goes hard tho
@@I_like_braiden "its just so goofy ah" what.
@@TitozThing I mean it’s goofy like it’s very goofy
@@TitozThing he is a part of the new generation
15:38 They match eachother's freak sm
Real
you have incredible patience and perseverance fr😭❤️
What I’ve found is that gyroid infill, like what you’re using, can sometimes be stronger with less infill, especially for impact resistance. For sudden force increases, like sitting down on the chair, using a lower infill density, around 5%, might improve load-bearing capacity and distribute the load throughout the entire chair. This could also make the print faster.
Yes, but gyroid infill is really hard on printers. The shaking can easily knock things loose or out of alignment especially on large prints. Anytime I used gyroid I always have to go back and tighten everything on the printer, especially the bed.
@@ace25805 While it's understandable that gyroid infill might seem more intense due to its continuous curved structure, it's technically less stressful on printers compared to infills with sharp directional changes. Here's why:
Smooth, Continuous Motion: Unlike infill patterns like grid or zig-zag that require the print head to make abrupt 90-degree turns, gyroid infill follows a smooth, sinusoidal wave. This continuous, fluid motion reduces the wear and tear on the printer's belts, motors, and frame since there are no sudden changes in direction that could cause vibrations or jerking motions.
Lower Acceleration and Deceleration: The absence of sharp corners in gyroid infill means the printer does not need to accelerate and decelerate as aggressively. This results in less strain on the printer's components, which actually reduces the likelihood of parts becoming loose or misaligned over time.
Balanced Stress Distribution: Gyroid infill evenly distributes stress across the entire print area. Patterns with straight lines or sharp turns concentrate stress on certain parts of the printer, especially when it rapidly switches directions. This balanced distribution minimizes the shaking effect, especially on larger prints.
In essence, while gyroid infill can seem 'shakier' at a glance, it's usually more gentle on the printer than infill patterns with abrupt directional changes. The key is proper calibration and settings adjustment rather than avoiding gyroid altogether."
Ps. What printer are you referring to? I have a bambu labs p1p used as a print farm and mine works fine within 0.05mm
Furniture patents and copyright are most of the time so specific that even if your chair is off by an inch or a couple centimeters, it shouldn't be a problem.
@Karpokid This comment oversimplifies the issue. While small design changes like an inch or two may make a difference in some cases, it doesn't necessarily mean that a chair would be free from infringement if it closely resembles a patented or copyrighted design. Both patent and copyright laws are nuanced, and a lot depends on the specific details of the design, how unique the original is, and whether the copy closely matches the protected work.
@ruzziasht349 I realize that patients themselves are very complex and cover a variety of infringement laws but funiture copyright just isn’t that way most furniture is so similar that you have to be very particular with a furniture patents so much so that the way that he made it it would be concerned a breach in the copyright. That's why so may video games can have furniture and vehicles that very closely resemble the real world thing. And just in case someone says it is a unique piece of furniture, it still doesn't matter. Furniture copyrights are all written the same regardless. Most countries follow this.
For real sigmaaaas! 😊
the real problem is whether the company will take legal action - not because they could win, but because Morley is an individual who has no resources to fight
@@Karpokid anything designer has the same kind of copyright, including dresses.
It is virtually impossible to come up with a dress that is fully original. If the manufacturers lobby for tighter control, they will screw themselves up.
Besides, we all know that they sell the logo, not the design.
Wait I kinda like the 3d printed one better 😭! It’s cheaper, more colorful, and uses less plastic!😮
Keep up the good work..
Also, now it’s time to remake the magic spun chair.😂
Furniture designs are not protected by copywright laws. You are legally allowed to copy a furniture design as long as you did not use any copywrighted or trademarked materials (plans from the company, branding, calling your product by the name of the existing prodcut).
Oh man, I need onen of those printers for my collection.
Same
this is how ad is works lol
The entire process and the chair itself is so cool! Orange is not my favorite color but I like it for the chair. It makes the chair pop more.
Ive been following your channel for about 3 years now. Just wanted to say everytime I watch one of your videos it reminds me to create things. I've been getting distracted with life and work but next years goal is to create more! Thanks 😊
16:10 no.
it looks good though
Randomly popped in my recommendations. This is so fascinating 🙌 Great craftsmanship
What a fantastic project. Thanks so much for sharing your process Morley!
7:07 No, I was not held at gunpoint to say this.
No, I was not the one holding the gun.
No, i was not the one telling him to hold the gun.
No, I was not the one watching him telling him to hold the gun
No, I was not the one in the other room, making sure everything went well
No, I was the mastermind behind the expirement
Furniture designer here. Pretty cool video, loved the concept, the execution and the editing. Just a couple suggestions: try using blender to model organic shapes like this. I use a similar product, mainly to prototype because as you probably noticed as well it’s impossibile to get perfect shapes. And after the prototype phase you have to remodel in a parametric software. I know it sounds stupid to model organic shapes like these in parametric software but you have to deliver perfect quoted models. Keep it up and try to design a chair yourself as well! It’d be interesting to watch
Yes!!!! This is the level of quality and care that has been missing from your videos. This is great!
Congrats on the new studio and heck yes for jumping into Nomad for the modeling!
It’s so much fun - I need another project to use it more!
8:39 I love the skeletons 😂
Omg you just hearted my comment I watch your vids all the time and I started my own woodworking business because of you
Omg
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
🎉🎉
Me too
Dude, this is freaking amazing! I'm blown away.
Thanks David!
Never thought 3D printed art would give me flashbacks to fixing drywall.
Awesome work! Really shows how much you learned in the process from your first chair to your second chair. Also congrats on the studio space! I'm so happy to see a Vancouver creator succeeding as I'm sure renting out a studio space isn't cheap in this city! Love your work and great video!
Thank you!
8:25 my dad working hard and asking me to get him a screwdriver meanwhile my adhd
FR
So true
What is the music that plays in that moment?
@@transhuman4344unholy
@@transhuman4344unholy presumably a remix of the original
so nice to finally see some quality content on youtube. you rock dude !
Having watched you for a fair while now, I’ve noticed that when you make something specifically for Eden it’s always stylistically different to the things you make for yourself.
Since other commenters are challenging you to design and 3d print a piece that’s uniquely your own, which honestly I think you can achieve easily given your talent and creativity, how about upping the challenge to designing a piece that bridges both of yours tastes and aesthetics? 😊
I feel like having different colored sections would add to the sentimental value knowing that each piece was made by you
I love how this shows the cost of materials and the effort to model it yourself. It makes the price of the chair more understandable, even if it is a bit ridiculous.
15:47 ur lucky to have each other
Blender 3D! It's free, way easier and becoming industry standard, you'll have a much better time making models like this.
Steps:
-import several photos of the chair at different 90 degree angles as refs (optional)
-spawn a plane
-cut it in half, mirror on X axis
-subdivide (simple mode with no rounding), apply
-hit tab for hard editing mode, move the vertices around to get the crude curves
-(hit numpad to view orthographic angles and overlay with the ref photos for comparing)
-add a Solidify modifier for thickness and another subdivide to round it all
-paint vertex weights to adjust the Solidify thickness, more hard modelling adjustments
-apply all modifiers
-enter sculpt mode (like your paid program there), set mirror X, do final touchups if needed
-export as STL ('selected only' and 'scale 1000x')
Voila! About an hour or two. There are endless youtube tutorials
jesus! now this is a godsent tip! gonna try this!
Man I havent enjoyed a video like this one in such a long time. Thank you for sharing the adventure and sparking some inspiration.
Same here
I am so pleased by your sound and music work on this one as well as overall video! Thank you❤
best music vid ever 😂😂
15:33
nice video :D
Bravo. One of the most interesting, thoughtful and cool videos I've seen in a long time.
the 3d machine: ''Im tired of this grandpa!''
Morley: ''thats too damn bad!''
The insane level of quaility improvement from the first chair is well... INSANE well done, big pat on the back, cant wait to see what else you make
So with all the hours you spent working on this chair the original one running $1175 isn't even that overpriced. Amazing video.
What an upgrade from The first 3d print chair , and The energy of The whole video is amazing 🔥
Mooooom Morley is making an illegal $1000 chair again!
The original colors of that chair after you first put it together, really made it look like a very nice piece of modern art; better than most out there today
I have these chairs, after seeing this I’m glad I just bought them. That’s some serious post processing! Impressive work
1:00 thats the one part of fusion 360 i've not had the time to get good at too. But i'd say its always useful to think about where an object has symmetry. In this case the chair hase two planes of symmetry. so once you take advantage of those you're basically only needing to create 1/4 of the chair and then the rest just mirrors that. Then the 1/4 that you have to design you can break up into two sections, there the "seat" curve, and the "arm rest" curve. Both are actually very similar to each other in that they are basically a circle segment in one plane, that curves along another circle segment, or a sin wave in the two other planes.
Theres probably some relatively simple cartesian equation for creating this shape as a surface. but even then adding volume to that and creating all the thicknesses and curves of this final chair is a whole extra step to figure out.
It probably helps that i'm a maths teacher, so i can see the shape in mathematical terms. But i still wouldnt know how to recreate it in fusion 360 😂. you did a great job modelling it by hand though.
Itried this whle watching the video. a simple version can be modelled as follows: start at the origin to make a quarter of an circle or better ellipse that curves 90 deg upwards. give it thickness by adding a quarter concentric ellipse to create a face. now revolve the face 90 degrees around the z axis to the back. then revolve the same face around the y axis. now you have a quarter of the whole chair. mirror once around the Z and Y plane and the chair is complete.
- 8:37 They *may* actually pay you to work for them. You're very driven, smart && kinda creative && crazy in a good way. They could use someone like you ! 😊
You modelled it yourself from scratch. Legally its not a knockoff - its yours. You did not 3d scan a real one or something. Your manufacturing process is prob also diff than the real one. You could sell these on Etsy for 900 bucks a pop and nobody could sue you - especially with this video as evidence that you modeled it from scratch.
Not how a patented design work but sure i guess 😂
@@crionidel If any of the dimensions or surfaces are not the same as the patent and he used different manufacturing techniques and his own model - its his.
@UnexpectedInquisition there's different kinds of patents that varies WHAT is being patented (design, utility, etc.) and I don't consider myself enough knowledgeable on the topic to start arguing in the comments section. I'm glad you are so sure but I'm betting some lawyers would have a field day if he started selling these.
Hope you have a great day 😊
@@crionidel Do you only use the internet for youtube? Have you never gone online shopping? Good grief. Glad you are a legal expert yourself, I appreciate your expert knowledge as a patent attorney.
If he sells it it is an knock off
8:35 who let bro cook with the editing 💀🙏🔥🔥
I love that his mom is one of his top supporters
The dance party was hilarious.
Yaaaaas 😁
15:40 I love how they match each others energy 😅
"You wouldn't download a car...you wouldn't print a chair..." 😂
2:10 just use blender….
he just said it was harder to make on blender
@@Sleepwoked no he said that about a different program
You can literally make it in 2 minutes in blender
@@Honïe4 you can also make it in 2 minutes in fusion or any other cad program, its a simple shape thats easy to make when yyou know the tools. But they clearly dont so they picked the most natural tool for them which was sculpting
@@redotix9952 yh but you could also sculpt in blender :/
Im just wondering why he didn’t use the most popular app since it has countless tutorials
@@Honïe4I am a beginner in blender, I really wonder how to make a shape like that, if you are good in blender maybe you can share a little tuto ? Thank you :)
15:22 temu and Home Depot Orange👍👍 ( I rlly like it tho! )
I never imagined how interesting this could be. Kudos
10:36 YES THE RUSTY C3 CORVETTE... Please use a different analogy in the future 😅 (for those confused a corvettes body is made of fiberglass so no rust)
The updates to the mini studio is paying off!! Sound so good!
You're so close to 500k subs, congrats!!!
7:51 I don’t think they would have any grounds to sue you if you don’t post the file online
They probably would actually, It's:
1. Stealing furniture design
2. Making a cheaper way to access this chair, losing possible sales
Although he's not profiting off of anything, he would still most likely get in trouble.
(But I'm no expert, so please take this with a grain of salt! You may be right.)
@@eexergamingsk8088 Ben was saying they wouldn't have grounds to sue if he *doesn't* post the files, which is Morley's current plan. That would mean he's not making a cheaper way to access the chair, he's only making a 1-of-1 chair without making it any easier for anyone else to do the same thing. There is of course the argument to be made about the design, but it just doesn't seem worth it to go after him for that.
@@mous3kteer Ohh!! I read it wrong, sors! Yeah then it’s correct! ^^
Post the files. ***k their legacy business for rich fashionistas. Open source the shit that anybody could come up with. They don't own shapes. If enough people fork the project, they can't do ***t
@@eexergamingsk8088
Yes and no. Under USA Copyright, USA Patent, and USA Trademark laws (the IP Laws in America).
It highly depends. I can explain but it's a lot to write.
In short... It's legal to build a chair and to broadcast that chair. Unless you work for the company or the design is Patented (not copyrighted). Then don't touch the Design.
The function of the chair is of Patent Law. The design (color, image, sound, art) is copyrighted. The chair itself is not copyright enforceable nor copyright able.
Trademark refers if the Chair is used as Logo but both Trademark and Trade Secrets don't apply here.
It can be legally argued that the shape of the chair is copyright able. However, that is all function based (Patent able) and not a copyright. "Function" can not be copyrighted in America.
Corvettes are made with fiberglass. Hence, the body doesn’t rust.
Ooohhhh TIL 😂
Not with that attitude, they don't!!
bro just gave us Nostalgia in 30 seconds
8:41 why though lol 😂 the skeletons just made my day a bit better I guess that’s why it’s there
15:37 My brain at 3 am💀
Edit: We are almost at 50 likes! Thx for all the likes
Same lmao
Mines worse
This guy is hype😂😂
Fr tho lol