The Truth About the Nissan Ariya: Unveiling Its Flaws and Limitations
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- This is a review of a 2023 Nissan Ariya Evolve +. It was a great car to drive for the week and was a spacious, comfortable and quick electric crossover.
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Here is the video comparing the Tesla Model Y to to Ariya: th-cam.com/video/Ob3Az9HtAJs/w-d-xo.html
Yep #Ariya 😎🏆👌
I took my wallet to a Tesla showroom to buy a Model Y....... after the test-drive, I returned to the Nissan showroom and bought the ARIYA. After 10 months of driving the ARIYA, I'm so glad I changed my mind. This is the best vehicle I've ever owned in 50 years of buying and driving cars....... Thanks for your presentation.
What do you like about it over a Model Y?
In no particular order........
1 Design inside, easy on the eye and practical.
2 Central console position customisable.
3 Hidden compartment is invaluable.
4 Panoramic roof opens and is customisable.
5 Info Screen placement is safer and integrated into dashboard, not to mention the heads up display which is stunning.
6 Feels less claustrophobic than 'Y'.
7 Less expensive to insure.
8 Better colour selection available.
9 Face to face dealership network for after sales in every city.
10 Less likely to be scratched/keyed deliberately.
11 Whilst driving or passenger, it feels like an expensive vehicle.
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Stop cappin, captain bullshit
I just bought one, slightly more upgraded model. I think your video is spot on. I think it's great for the price. I wanted roominess, quietness, and comfort -- so this was the right choice for me. I have the smaller horsepower model - plenty quick, very responsive, but I wasn't really trying to race my buddy's Rivian when I chose this.
I just test drove one today and I loved it! I have the Chevy Bolt EUV and love it but want something bigger and longer range for road trips. This Ariya is like a dream on our test drive and I assume get good range and be able to use any charge stations with a Tesla adapter if necessary. So in real life how do you like yours? Thanks!
I just bought mine too! Got me a platinum +
I own one and I love this car
I just love your subjective views on EV's, great to here a Tesla owner review cars without any prejudice, but also letting the public know the differences! Always a great channel to drop by for a view of the latest content!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Uh, do you mean objective? Subjective is much funnier.
He is NOT subjective. Lots of FALSE information provided, things that don't even make sense such as:
How is not having a frunk increase the interior space? That makes no logical sense. All EV's that have a frunk have the same things under the frunk area as the Ariya. You stated that Nissan put the AC unit in the front so to give you more interior space??? WHAT??? Wow. People make up anything these days....
While the Ariya and Model Y are both classified as compact electric SUVs, they differ in size. The Model Y has a wheelbase that’s 113.8 inches long, is 187 inches long, 75.6 inches wide, and 63.9 inches tall. In comparison, the Ariya has a wheelbase that’s 4.5 inches shorter, is five inches shorter in length, roughly one inch shorter in width, and is 1.5 inches taller.
From CarsDirect: With its larger body, the Model Y shines as the better choice for maximum cargo space. The Model Y offers up to 30.2 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats and a total of 76.2 cubic feet of cargo space with the rear seats folded.
The smaller Ariya doesn’t have the same cargo capacity. It offers up to 22.8 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats and a total of 59.7 cubic feet of cargo space. The Ariya has one of the smaller cargo areas in the class.
From InsideEV: The $58,950 Ariya Platinum+ AWD has an estimated range of just 265 miles compared to the $58,990 Model Y Long Range's 330-mile range. Nissan estimates the front-wheel-drive Ariya will have up to 300 miles of range. So if you are FAIRLY comparing vehicles, compare the range of the the AWD Dual Motor Model Y Long Range of 330 miles vs the AWD Ariya that has 65 miles LESS range....
Also the Warranty that Nissan gives is way behind Tesla.
Why make stuff up? If you are comparing FAIRLY, then be FAIR.... Disingenuous reporting... There's NO need to do that. It tarnishes your reputation. I enjoy watching your video's, but now I have to fact check everything you say.
@@TeufelHundI've owned a Tesla Y for 3 years now and I can tell you that the 330 miles range is nowhere close to reality. The max range is only a consideration for road trips, mostly on highways. I've burnt through 50% of the Tesla Y battery charge in 100 miles of driving. The 300 number looks nice on the monitor but it is not representative of the actual range.
@@dmhlamI had the same experience on my Model 2 Long Range
Just rented one of these for 3 days through Turo for a trip to Vermont and was able to compare it to my MYP. Have to say I was very unimpressed. After initially thinking there were some very innovative solutions in the interior, and the cooled seats were nice to have again after my Macan turbo, it quickly lost points with silliness. The touch interfaces required multiple “touches”, the moving center console is a gimmick that you use once, the stereo is crap, the CarPlay froze multiple times, the actual range was barely 180-200 miles, the rear view mirror camera nearly gave me vertigo, for nearly 400hp it did not feel fast at all (although I may be spoiled since I have an MYP and a 911). Positives were that the seats were very comfortable, the displays were crisp and beautiful, it was VERY quiet inside and the ride was fantastic.
You shot yourself in your leadfoot with that last part about comfort and ride quality.😂
If you drive the car like your own, you will get 300+ miles per charge. My AWD Platinum Ariya does that. After driving for a month now, I haven't seen any of the problem you mentioned above.
You must have gotten the 63 kWh version or else you drive like shit if you only got 200 miles.
Given the range of EV’s out there this has to be one of the best….. yes it’s pricey and some of the features are a bit gimmicky but in the round this ticks more of the boxes for everyday needs than most in the sector. Everyone has an opinion 😂😊
Ariya rides better and is way more comfortable and not cheap looking compared to tesla
Well every manufacturer I think has many different trim levels at different costs so it's difficult to say. I think It's competitive with the other brands. But you do get the tax credit unlike Hyundai, Kia, Nissan.
Great, snappy review covering all things I would want to know. It’s like you read my mind!
I had Audi’s in the past and when I took delivery of my Model Y performance 😊 I had to get used to the shifter on the colomn. I felt it was old school. But to parallel park manually, I find the Tesla way much easier and more secure. Other EV makers have adopted this as well. Now that GM, Ford and Rivian adopted the Tesla DC fast charging standard, will the Germans and Japanese do the same?
Honestly, I hardly ever use my MY frunk. Nevertheless, what the heck is all that stuff in Nissan's frunk area?!? Might as well have an ICE up there.
Yea I think they should just throw an engine it it too
I love my Ariya. I basically had no choice in the model in our small town. The dealer had 1 lol, 65kW Ariya engage, and it works fine. Very practical car for most people. The 2026 version is going to be amazing.
Good Job .... your video has been helpful indeed.... I drove one of those this morning and felt in love in the first sight
Can i change the screen to a 24" 4K Monitor? I can not see anything on such small displays.
If the Ariya was $40k max it would be my favorite. It's just hard to get on board when it's such a horrible overall value.
Horrible overall value, lol. Really what planet are you from, plz get real and do compare side by side with the fridge on wheels aka. Tesla.
And probably won't hold it's value very long either considering it is a Nissan. The company is not doing well financially and their dealers are practically giving cars away to anyone that can sign their name on it slotted dotted line.
Great video again. My son is turning in his rusty FJ Cruiser for a lease on the Ariya at $199/mo for 36 months and $0 down. Thank you.
About the breaks, you mentioned that it is regenerating when you hit it and feels like non stoping, what happens in an emergency will it stop immediately like all other cars?
Lots of negative comments from tesla owners. I wonder why? I owned a Tesla for 3 years. During the first year I had it at the workshop for warranty problems no less than 3 times. Second year, they had to come and fix it with their mobile car repair thing. I sold it and got the ariya. No regrets. Ariya drives so much quiter, so much better quality, much better driving experience. One funny thing with teslas is that if you look for misaligned plates, doors or trunks, you will almost always find it. Such is the quality of Tesla. Oh, by the way, a year of ariya ownership - 0 workshop visits, 0 warranty issues.
I can of course understand that some people need the larger trunk space in the MY and if you do loads of road trips, the faster DC charging will save you 15 minutes here and there.
As a current 2019 Leaf owner I liked the familiarity of the controls and layout. I liked the ride and feel during a few test drives. But overall it’s just not a good value with the charging time, lack of storage space, and overall price.
Your review was great. You hit most of the highlights. The nighttime driving is great, very bright.
We have had the top of the line Ariya since March 23. It drives really nice but we really have to get used to it of course.
It looks like they have moved the rearview camera up. Ours is just above the license plate. Much better in its new location.
I found that the sunroof cover did very little to protect from heat. I hope they fix that in the future.
I have to say, when buying a car I look at the service aspect of a car as 50% of the car. Just keep the dealerships in mind, ask to see the service areas and the service writer areas. Our is very disappointing.
The main issue that I have with the Ariya is no roof rails. You will never talk me into mounting crossbars in the door jams and watch the paint wear from constant movement. I would not trust that my kayaks to be safe and secure on a long trip. I also was not impressed with the regenerative braking or one pedal. However, in all fairness, I haven't found any manufacturer's regen system like the Genesis EVs. The Ariya is a great looking vehicle. But without roof rails, I can't call it an utility vehicle.
We had an EV Fair in my city and I got to test this vehicle out. I love JDM and was pleasantly surprised with this Nissan. There’s an option where there’s a camera in front of the steering wheel and as long as you’re looking at the road, it drives itself. Pretty crazy on the interstate.
I tested this, the Mustang Mach-E, Tesla Model 3, X and Y, the F-150 Lightning, Cadillac Lyriq, BMW iX and the Porsche Taycan GTS. Crazy how far along EV’s have came. I love that torque. Just straight acceleration with no gear changes. Something everyone should experience. All these EV’s were crazy fast.
Tbh, the Tesla looked pretty bland compared to the other EV’s but they do have a wide network and their app is far superior. If only getting maintenance done on a Tesla is more efficient with less wait times for service, and the panel gaps, I might consider. I’ll wait a little longer to see how other automakers catch up to Tesla.
which cars did you enjoy the most?
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Good Review! It’s interesting to me that in this Freeform media people tend to use attention grabbing headlines and I admit… it Worked!!!
I just drove one today and it was incredible! I have a Bolt EUV which I love and I’m completely sold on EV’s but I want to trade in my CRV for something close to that size with as much range as possible. So far I have not found the Blazer to be available so this Ariya is a definite contender. The fun of buying a new car is in the test driving but there are non out there and I’ve got to make a decision in the next few months. Since you get to drive them all how do you rate this Ariya against the Blazer, Rivian, Ionic, Polestar or any of the other SUV’s out there? Thanks!!! And yes I agree, this is definitely NotJunk!
I watch car videos all the time and they're all the same. This one has charisma my man; I laughed all the way through it- really, really well done.
When you said Elon sent in his spy birds to see if you were talking bad about Tesla, I just about fell out of my chair laughing 😂 I like the Ayria a lot, strictly based off of what I've seen in reviews. If the long range trim was priced closer to $40k, I'd be tempted to test drive it myself.
he sent his twitter birds ☺
I just got a blue with charcoal interior I love it awd
Had a 2015 Tesla Model S for over 7 years and still can't get use to the start/stop button in my KIA EV6. As usual, another great review.
P.S. I appreciate your constraint in making this review. It was a "momma said" if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all moment. :)
I love the Kia EV6.
Ok I’m subscribed he said go. Ack to your super chargers and cult meetings ahahaha
The biggest problem with the Ariya is the price. There is nothing about it that makes it worth more than an Ioniq 5.
Well, for starters, it works everytime you want to use it. Unlike some other brand.
@@kajko6868 it's a Nissan, they're underwater and all their cars besides the gtr are accidents waiting to happen.
7:26 so glad its awesome sunroof is fully electric as opposed to having a tiny hybrid engine or ropes opening it. 😂. I am glad though as opposed to hand opening.
Respect level just went up 10 points for the ASAP feature #PutInWork
Really like the rear view mirror/camera idea.
You failed to discuss the most important topic of 2023, which is IRA tax incentives. Because the Ariya is 95% japan, it gets zero tax credits. zero. Nissan said they should qualify in about 3 years. LOL.
yea I've stopped mentioning that because it continually changes and will continue to change over the coming years
Most EV's use regen at all times (to some extent), when above a certain speed, say 10-15 mph. Slower than 10-15 mph and there's not enough kinetic energy to make regen very effective so EV's will default to the disk brakes at slow speeds. In addition to operation at slow speeds I believe the disk brakes are there more for backup and for panic or emergency stops where they will function simultaneously with full regen.
I understand that single pedal driving cars have had problems with brakes because the brakes hardly ever get used and can get a bit sticky when the driver does eventually try to use them. This Nissan car deals with that issue by making the driver have to use the brakes to stop.
Nice job as always….
Great video 👍🏻
Can you test and review a BMW iX please - interested to hear you thoughts on it
eventually I will
Thank you. Your comment at 13:58 "if this is a second or third car for just around town..." just killed the Ariya for me. I have a 2020 Leaf SL+ and it's perfect for just around town. I would like to have something I can use for day trips. The Leaf with Chademo just doesn't cut it. But, if the Ariya is the same then why get rid of my Leaf? I was just going to test drive the Ariya and an Ionic 5. I guess you just saved me a LOT of time! Thank you so much.
That statement is stupid. I am always out of town in mine.
Bench seat in the front would have been awesome.
I LIKE IT! Definitely would consider for it's comfort and room, but only if the charging infrastructure was better for trips. Oh, and I would not be excited to lose FSD-BETA. The geek in me really enjoys it...
Platinum version comes with cooled seats. I was like “really” lol, wish they add it as a standard.
Looks like the outcome of the Nisan leaf making love to a Kia EV6
Those ain't birds, they're Tesla flying bots disguised as birds.
I believe that’s a taco tray not a second glove box
the only negative I see is non-tinted rear seats or back windows... so you have that ridiculous shelf to block prying eyes... Since when do SUVs not come with tinted windows? Only big miss I see. That and the high price but they are now forced to lower the price via rebates 🙂
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Those are not storage area
“I got TWO gloveboxes”🤣
Big deal😙
Has sun shade , has buttons ,has Dash Has ventilated seats all positive
#Ariya 😎👌with #e4ORCE🏆
Funny review 😂
Remember, some folks don't have Elon on their Christmas card list, have 3 or more vehicles and need a run around for shorter trips and have a shit ton of money. Heck the Model Y ride is not great and sure the tech it behind vs Tesla but folks want other cars - me, I'd get an EOS Benz or even one of these if I had money to burn. My 2012 $5k Japanese built Leaf is perfect for our needs, the other cars in the fleet can take over for longer trips.
so at what time and where are them cult meetings you mentioned ???? lol ...
That's way better looking than most NISSAN cars.
When I was in Japan about a year ago Nissan was marketing this it’s cool to see it in the States now. It looks good in person. Would I chose this over a Tesla,Ford, Chevy, Volvo or any other ev? I don’t know it’s better than the ID4 for sure. I would say the few fan boys of Nissan would get one, and someone who wants a normal car and not have a computer on wheels (Tesla) would be the market for it.
Alabia?
I think it looks good but the interior screens on the new Kia Sportage ways better than this honestly!
Not being a fanboy, but coming from the simplicity of a Model Y, all these buttons look like a friggin’ nightmare.
Too expensive for the size.. tried one few months ago. Still can’t beat my model y’s space and compartment and price.
They did not do it for the space in the car. if you take a close look, Nissan has not yet figure out/ implemented a robust cooling/heating/HVAC system. There are bottles everywhere in the engine compartment area.
They have an engineering excuse for the frunk, but what about the trunk? Why can’t they have real usable space under the trunk? What did they replace the gas tank with?
Also, the first few minutes of the video were very rough… I was getting motion sickness with your camera motion. Most of your videos are great, but you’ve had a few that have been a bit too quick for my poor brain.
Yea I am going to do more fixed shots instead of moving around so I hear you
How is not having a frunk increase the interior space? That makes no logical sense. All EV's that have a frunk have the same things under the frunk area as the Ariya. You stated that Nissan put the AC unit in the front so to give you more interior space??? WHAT??? Wow. People make up anything these days....
While the Ariya and Model Y are both classified as compact electric SUVs, they differ in size. The Model Y has a wheelbase that’s 113.8 inches long, is 187 inches long, 75.6 inches wide, and 63.9 inches tall. In comparison, the Ariya has a wheelbase that’s 4.5 inches shorter, is five inches shorter in length, roughly one inch shorter in width, and is 1.5 inches taller.
From CarsDirect: With its larger body, the Model Y shines as the better choice for maximum cargo space. The Model Y offers up to 30.2 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats and a total of 76.2 cubic feet of cargo space with the rear seats folded.
The smaller Ariya doesn’t have the same cargo capacity. It offers up to 22.8 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats and a total of 59.7 cubic feet of cargo space. The Ariya has one of the smaller cargo areas in the class.
From InsideEV: The $58,950 Ariya Platinum+ AWD has an estimated range of just 265 miles compared to the $58,990 Model Y Long Range's 330-mile range. Nissan estimates the front-wheel-drive Ariya will have up to 300 miles of range. So if you are FAIRLY comparing vehicles, compare the range of the the AWD Dual Motor Model Y Long Range of 330 miles vs the AWD Ariya that has 65 miles LESS range....
Also the Warranty that Nissan gives is way behind Tesla.
Why make stuff up? If you are comparing FAIRLY, then be FAIR.... Disingenuous reporting... There's NO need to do that. It tarnishes your reputation. I enjoy watching your video's, but now I have to fact check everything you say.
e-4-orce
Pricing is out of whack and the resale will be poor. I'd love to love it but Nissan cannot keep half assing their commitment to EVs
Nissan is my bet for the first legacy OEM to go tits up. Thoughts?
My guess is Mitsubishi
Or Mazda
The Ariya is actually the best Japanese EV so far! Suzuki, Honda and Mazda suck a lot more at EVs than Nissan. Toyota also sucks a lot, but if they hold their promise of 1.5 mio EVs by 2026, they will maybe survive.
maybe Subaru could be in trouble?
@@Angusoksen so much debt, though. Maybe they'll pull through.
definitely not junk
You should buy that cat
TFTC
Toyota > Matchbox > Nissan
1:06 the 400hp AWD here is 406L vs 850L, plus 120L trunk
Nissan's Credit rating is JUNK now. Nissan is losing 687 million this year. Nissan is going down the tubes and this car is not going to save it.
What do you mean? 2022 Nissan financial results are relatively solid, growth of revenue, positive net income and cash flow. Credit rating is indeed junk but it was set before these results were published. So Nissan is not going away anytime soon
Love my Ariya better than my Tesla
I’m a fan of Elon Musk, but I’d take this over a Tesla.
And the answer is... Wait... The video stoped... Click bait.
I disagree with the more space than mode y comment - it’s just such a disappointing product honestly- they’ve had so much time to do it right and it sucks - I test drove it and was not impressed at all. The ac is weak and drive performance is lack luster. For the base model price I’d much rather a standard range model y
Wtf is FOUR-ORCE?
60k for this shit? Wtf was they thinking, tesla Y with tax credit is way cheaper lol
Love when companies say they didn't include a frunk so that they could give you more interior space but then it has no more interior space than a MY.
As a LEAF owner, I wanted perspective from that, not from a Tesla owner comparison. Why would anyone with a Tesla consider a Nissan, its always the other way around, just like Prius replaced by a Tesla, never the other direction. I wanted to know about the GOM, but I guess I have to find another Ariya review video.
I went from Tesla to Nissan, much prefer Ariya.
Tesla owners will start an argument just because someone likes something else more.
In my review of this EV, I would not say it's junk, but I would also say it's nearly dead last when compared to Hyundai/Kia, Ford, Cadilac and VW models. I also found the Nissan Ariya HORRIBLE with its efficiency. I only drove the FWD version, so cannot speak to its speed, but it's just a bit faster than a Bolt. IMHO there's no comparison to a Tesla Model Y on almost every metric except for the fact that this has a binnacle display and physical buttons to push. Also, if an overly engineered secret storage cubby does it for you, then this is your vehicle. Yes, I'm a Tesla owner, but have driven a better EV product from just about every other manufacturer. I expected more from the Nissan being that they were the first to market with a mass-produced EV, the Leaf. I was so let down. :( I'm also a huge Nissan fan and LOVE the new "Z"!
Nissan is aways soft on resale and reliable 😮
Awful camera work. Made me dizzy.
The Ariya is an overlander/offroader in disguise...gone where no EV has ever ventured - th-cam.com/video/CWY7B1vSHYA/w-d-xo.html
I’m glad to see other companies going EV but I will always be a Tesla owner!
For car company to sell EV, it requires more than just putting a battery into car. It requires tech, network charging, brand image, cost effective, modern services.
4 years ago this would have been interesting. It's just way way too late.
Put it in neutral. Just see what it does to make it in N.
PS - Birds are not real.
The center console shouldn't be a vehicles strongest selling point, but that's what we have here.
Half the price of a Tesla Y
Model Y starts at $43,990 Ariya starts at $43,190. What are you talking about?
Yea it’s not half the price. Although I did get my Evolve + EForce = version for 39k which normally goes for 55k. Got this because of rebates and price haggling the dealer :)
Having a menu in the mirror itself has got to be THE dumbest thing ever. Should be integrated into a singular interface in the main screen. Thats a major indication of bad software design chops. I wouldn't call this car junk, but they have lots of work to do to get out of their jumbled legacy mindset.
Do you have split vision?
To the people who don't like Tesla's lack of buttons: while I'm driving, I use voice controls, which works fine.
Way to expensive for what it is.
Listening to automakers justify their lazy engineering excuse of why they don’t have a “frunk” is hilarious
Tesla vehicles still have their hvac system under the center console (one reason why Tesla interior is more noisy), hence the bulky separator between passenger and driver. That is how they managed to have a frunk. Nissan, ID.4 and Kia went for maximum interior space. There is no reason to force people to have a frunk just because Tesla has it. I prefer to have my bag next to me in the free space Ariya provides than in the frunk (I suspect a laptop can shake hard in the frunk as it is just above the front wheel axle).
So compared to a Tesla Model Y it has slower DC charging, slower AC charging, no frunk, no sentry mode, no dog/camp mode, no supercharger network, no direct buyer experience, no high tech app, it’s slower performance wise, less range and on top of all that it doesn’t qualify for the IRA tax credit… which means it costs significantly more than a model Y. Seems like junk to me.
They will have supercharging access if they jump into NACS like the others finally have, but still wont change their charging speed. The no-frunk to make more room part is a joke. If Tesla can stuff so much into a well-organized space to allow a frunk why can't Nisan? Retrofit
And who the fck puts a tiny menu in a mirror above the head ?! Needs to just consolidate everything into a single screen interface. Thats just terrible user experience
Well. The upside is far better build quality, higher quality material, less noise in the cabin, nicer drive on long road trips and larger seating space. Yes. I owned a Tesla for 3 years. I don't miss it.
@@MaxDrougge no one is stopping you from spending 10-15k for a worse car 😆
@@silverlex1 I know. That's why I sold the Tesla 😀
I wouldn’t buy this car because it’s a ‘NISSAN’. Remember when NISSAN screwed everyone over that bought the Leaf.? The batteries were [junk] and they knew it when they sold it. A year after ownership the owners could [not] get 40 miles of range on it. You don’t even see them on the road anymore. They’re all in the junkyard. Sorry NISSAN, you don’t get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression. I also wouldn’t buy this piece of junk because it doesn’t have a Frunk.
The Model Y just keeps getting better and I know that it's not for everyone (until they live with it) but the simplicity of the Tesla is my favorite. I don't need buttons or knobs or dials or clicky things to drive. the Tesla provides a level of calm.
Love this car, but you can't buy it, it's not availiable in USA...that's what Nissan dealer told me, they get 1-3 a year and they are gone in second...lol
I don’t like it and would buy a Tesla anytime even it’s been out for muck longer. I love my Model Y.
Genesis is like a lady that wears too much makeup and jewelry.
Yeah another useless in town only EV. Great exterior and interior though. So sad its just obsolete already.
I am always out of town in mine. That statement is seriously stupid.
@@kajko6868 Nobody wants a 150kw charging EV. That's why they are not selling. Same with the Ford Mach E.
@@centauri0 Well, hello from nobody then 😄. Have you heard the one about the turtle and the rabbit?