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Google is back with their new mid-ranger phone, the Pixel 8a, but does buying it make sense when the Pixel 8 is still available to buy? With a familiar design, similar specs, and somewhat similar pricing, does Linus think the choice is obvious? Find out today on a very special episode of ShortCircuit.
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0:00 There's still some value here
0:47 The cameras, display, and design impressions
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"As someone who goes bareback, generally at great cost" - father of 3
I'll add-on to this; Especially since him being a young father.
@@GHOSTSTARSCREAM 37 is young?
"Luke, I can't deal with more than three, can you please aim this drill a little bit to the left?"
@@GamerDadof2relative to my age, yes. Relative to your age, no. Perception is everything.
@@GamerDadof2 By Canadian standards? Yep.
Finally someone that mentions how if the Pixel 8 often goes on sale, the Pixel 8a will also be going in sale
Exactly. This whole idea of them being the same price is a myth.
The main reason for the hate that this phone gets is the terrible pricing in India
@@user-xj9vf4xb9p well to be fair the logic is that they're the same price if you're comparing an on sale 8 vs a non-sale 8a, and since 8A is a brand new release, it is not expected to go on sale for a little while, while the 8 which has been out for a while has already had decent sales.
The pixel 8 was 500 the other week... There is zero reason to get the 8a. Maybe if it had the 5000mah battery that was rumoured but nah, it has chunkier bezels, slower charging, and no battery share
ive literally been eyeing the pixel 7a for months and it rarely goes on sale in comparison to the 7a
Well that's the point.. you never buy a Pixel at full price. You wait for one of the many many many sales they have. So in a few months this Pixel 8a will probably be on sale for like $400..
Already 400$ on Amazon.
Best Buy already has Open Box of the 128GB version for $440 lol
I think the reason Google advertises the MSRP to be so much higher than what they will sell. The phone to you at is so that way Telco companies can sell it at MSRP and keep there whatever percentage they take and Google doesn't have to worry about losing any money on that sale because the vast majority of people who buy directly from Google will be giving them not that much more money due to all the sales they run
@@the_undead Makes sense, and those companies would complain and cause problems if the unlocked direct sale version was cheaper.
Bought mine new for 360€ with trade in deal in EU
Price on Androids (esp Pixels) drop like crazy just after the first year. My only advice buying a phone: Get a last year or 2 yr old flagship than a latest mid-range or budget. Almost same price and UX is on another level.
Yes and now with 7 years of updates it's not a big issue getting an older pixel phone
stupid advice why would u buy something so expensive without a warranty? I buy devices with warranty regardless of this pricing trick you are trying to play. Laugh now and cry later.
Exactly what I did. Grabbed a near-mint pixel 7 for 300€ last month. Looking forward to it hopefully lasting at least another 5 years
Facts
Got an awesome pixel 7 for 275 bucks
My Pixel 4a is still rocking.
Mine too, but I really want to upgrade
went from 4a to 8a, the 4a is SO MUCH lighter and thinner, smaller then the 8a. Google gave me $140 for the trade in and $100 store credit, too much to pass up...4a was $349....nuts
Mine too, wish it still have software update. Wish smaller phone + audio jack still a thing.
@@kazuyatachibana1397 my solution to the audio jack was cheap bt ear buds (not $100, more like $2 on Aliexpress)
My Pixel 2 was getting troublesome, battery full of sadness causing soft resets when demand spiked. Upgraded to 7a on the blowout special last month after some bad experience with dodgy aftermarket batteries and the P2 display often not surviving the removal process making a "fresh" battery a poor option.
The 7a is much faster and the battery is great, but I miss the big bezels, small size, light weight, fast laser autofocus, front speakers, and *especially* that impeccable rear fingerprint sensor. Fortunately you can add more bezel with software, but I can't shake the feeling that I'd have been happier with a lightly used Pixel 5. I still miss the plastic-shelled 110g 4" phones.
1:09 I mean the Pixel 7A literally won the MKBHD blind camera test, which had multiple dozen flagship phones, you literally can't get much better than that.
and the 6a
MKBHD gets sucked off by apple and google. I doubt he did it actually blind or any of his co workers did, when u take a look a youtubers who ACTUALLY work in the photo and video industry, its not the same. Most videos that I have seen have the 7a and 8a in the best or top 3 in the mid range category. While it never really enters top 5 (nor do most of the pixels, 8pro hit top3 on some). The thing with pixels is the sensors are not as good as most other flagships, but rather rely too much on post processing. In laymen's terms this means that phots taken will look more "fake" in terms of professional photography. The cameras and photos look great for an everyday user, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty and actually looking at which cameras and which phones take the best photos, its generally not google at the top 1 or 2 spots anymore as people like samsung, apple, and xiomi have caught up with their post processing
@@douglasgudenkauf1952I think he is referring to Blind Public test with that ELO rating. People choose the photos and not his team.
But I agree with you on the matter that its all post-processing. I haven't seen google in top 3 when independent outlets reviews a phone.
I guess its more of people's choice / social media ready photos than actual quality of photo.
@@douglasgudenkauf1952 they had many viewers blind rate them online, then took their ratings
@@douglasgudenkauf1952blind tests are done by opinions of the general public, not professional photographers with a trained eye.
The difference in Tensor G3 is actually because they're made differently. Pixel 8 uses FoPLP whereas 8a's G3 is packaged using iPoP, which decreases cost but in return - decreases efficiency. Google compensated for this in software and thus you see the differences in performance and thermals.
I assumed they just binned the chip but that is interesting
thank you for those details!
I thought all G3 are made equally. 😢
It might have been a good idea to label them differently then. Calling this version the G3a seems fitting with the name of the device.
@@DigitalJedithats actually my take. The decision itself and the impact it has makes total sense to me for their budget phone. The only issue is it being marketed as the 8/8 pros equal
as a pixel 6 user, I actually like the camera bar bump, and sometimes wish it was a bit bigger. If you put your index finger below the bump, it's really nice for holding/maneuvering the phone one-handed
am I the only one who goes to skip the sponsor section but stops myself when its Dbrand? Not because I want the product necessarily, but because it's generally hilarious? 😂😂
The 3 amp cable thing makes no sense because 9V at 3A is 27 watts. If you mean the cable is only rated for 15W then that's a different story.
Pretty much all usb CtoC cables can do 3A at 5,9,12,15 and 20V, so unless he was using a USB AtoC cable I agree, this makes no sense
Linus still using Note 9, I am astonished to know that owner of such a large business corporation still rocks a 6 year old phone, with no security updates.
i mean I still rock a Galaxy S8....as long as the phone does what I need it to do no point in getting a new one. He doesn't game or anything on phone so the stuff he does use likely works fine.
Doesn't he also use an iPhone
His fold broke after he jumped in a pool.
@@hotaru25189 I am in favour of using your phone longer, but the problem is outdated security patch.
Not that I see someone getting in trouble with using phone on old security update, but considering every tech TH-camr shouts on updates, it's good to see Linus behaving like a normal person does.
@@jshklsn Yeah I know that, but still he was able to use Note 9 after using Z Fold 3 for almost 2 years.
I feel like Google purposely designs the A series screen to have a bigger bezel for more differentiation for the regular models. There's no reason it should have bezels like a phone from 2015
if you've ever seen Samsung's midrangers (A54 in particular), they have similarly thick bezels. Not that it excuses it, but it's just how it is. We've been spoiled by flagships.
Real Pixel 8a has thicker bezels than the 4a (according to gsmarena pixel 4a 83.3% screen to body ratio and 8a has 81.6%)
Well Pixel 8a has even bezels all around. 4a has a chin but little bit smaller bezels where there is no chin.
Was considering upgrading but will treat myself to a pixel 9
@@someoneelse1550 My 2018 oneplus 6t cost me 500€ and has properly thin bezels. Making them thick is 90% surely just to male them uglier in comparison.
I think one of the reasons they have that bezel is because like Linus points out. Depending on how you hold your phone, that could legitimately be a make or break feature (especially on a phone where the default method for going back is swipe in from either side unlike on a Samsung where there's usually buttons on the bottom but even the Samsung a series phones do the same thing. So make of that what you will)
they have slightly different chip
one on 8 and 8pro uses FOPLP-PoP packaging
while cheaper one use IPoP
IPoP packaging tend to have larger, thicker and runs hot compare to FOPLP-PoP
My Geordi La Forge skin on my Pixel 6 is the only reason I haven't upgraded yet. I guess I've gotta design another, for an 8.
Wait where did you get that skin lol that's awesome
Omg I'd love to see that
@@xiajiplayss5893 I just posted a Short on my channel for 'ya!
I tried posting the link, YT didn't like that.
@@iambear.6526 Made it on SlickWraps from a picture I found online
Forge skin
This was very detailed overview for shortcircuit
This is basically everything I actually want out of a full review. Honestly if I didn't see the channel I would have assumed it was a normal LTT video.
Got the 8a a couple days ago. Love it. And it actually fits in my hand.
Massive props for biting the bullet and putting Fantano-style dubbed audible corrections. I've been hoping for that for a while
Please don't use the F-Word.
There's a lot of echo on this one lol. Doesn't ultimately matter, but it stuck out enough that I noticed for once. Always love the videos.
Would you please review the Moondrop Miad 01?
I would like to know if it has legs to stand on the midrange space
This phone was a good pic for me personally because they gave me an extra 100 bonus on the trade in price to my existing phone. The trade in if I were to look at buying any other was exactly $100 less. Basically they are running an additional $100 discount if you are upgrading from an old pixel. Not sure if the deal is still going on, but for $400 really for me was a no brainer.
I had a "play" with one of these in Store in the UK, yesterday. Glad I did. I was going to pre-order one as an "upgrade" to my Pixel 6a. I really didn't like the corners. They appear to "bulge" out, which doesn't do it for me. I'm planning on saving up for an 8, especially if they drop the price again!
to everyone here, just buy the Pixel 8 by october (when the Pixel 9 drops) the price will drop significantly, and you'll still be getting several years of updates
Why? I can afford the 9. Plenty people here can afford it.
@@Oldasianguy Because some people can't???
@@Oldasianguy even if you can afford it saving money is still nice?
@@thekingoflordagames3517tbf some can't save up money & have to "burn" it or need it now & not later. 1st world problems
If you are rich, just buy a Zfold or something@@Oldasianguy
Why did this video have sooo much echo? They start filming in the new badminton location?
4:33 sounds oddly similar to an after story with Ludwig, after the Bro vs Bro
2:53 " . . . for someone who generally goes bareback . . ." I believe Linus is NOT horsing around here. Or maybe he is a . . . Stallion
I just bought a pixel 8. got 120 euro off because someone opened the box, so I got it for only 30 euro more than the 8a. really happy about it so far.
Good take on this review and the prices on the end. Cheers!
It's great to see the value in Pixel 8A from a different perspective contrary to the common mindset. As upgrading often doesn't mean to get the most expensive one, but the one that best suits your needs. This review for sure will help many consumers make a more informed decision.
Bezels are mostly just bragging rights and dck measuring contest on spec sheet. For vast majority of the users, bezels are thin enough that they become a non issue after the first day living with the device.
A little extra bezel makes using the phone with a case easier, the case can wrap around without blocking edge gestures.
@@tstartrekdude Copium
Lmao it is so funny to see people defending bezels that look like it is from a phone from 5 years ago
@@czkmeister Lemme guess, you missed the edges of the Samsung Galaxy S10/note10+ series?
Agree, gestures are harder to do in my s24 than in my pixel 3 due to the thin bezels.
I bought my Pixel 6a from my mom about a year ago. She had a horrible "official" Google silicon case on it. That thing morphed out of shape quick, was too sticky and thus was hard to put in or take out of my pocket and accumulated a lot of dirt. Bareback glass is just too slippery for me. I bought a real leather case and the texture is just perfect. Not slippery but also not sticky. Always feels great. (It's real leather glued on hard plastic so the shape doesn't change). Bought it from Bellroy. It's expensive at 50€, but for the object I interact with the most in my day-to-day life, for hopefully at least two to three more years, is worth it.
Go leather case people.
My cow muhs against that.
@@serrael-182knowing cows suffered for it is a selling point for some. See dbrands leather cases
I did the tab for a 7 Pro, after being on an S20 FE 5G, and there's lots to love about going back to stock Android, though the slight dip in battery life is noticeable compared to my Samsung. Koodo was running a black friday promo for all of November of 2023, right as the 8 and 8 Pro were coming out, and discounting the 7 Pro considerably for the tab. I went for the 7 Pro with the $20 tab, and the 60 GB data usage cap for a discounted price of $55 and month (as existing customers get a 5 dollar discount on the advertised plan price). Previously, I had done the same with the S20 FE 5G, as the 2021 market had depleted quite a few of the flagships for stock at retailers near me.
I got a pixel 7 pro brand new for 300 bucks 6 months ago then loaded up graphene os onto. Awesome phone
If you have the Google Fi phone plan, it is only $299
Yeah but Google Fi is a fucking rip-off.
True, but Google FI is expensive
Yeah but Google Fi is a huge rip-off (in the US)
@@spacetoast7783 How so? I've used Google Fi for years, my monthly bill is $25, right now $15/month as I'm on a promotion for buying the 7a. I love it.
Vodafone Portugal was offering the 8a for 215€ with membership points (you get 2 points for every euro spent on your account) at 215€ for a phone with an excellent camera and 7 years of updates you can't ask for better value
I just bought a brand new 8a for 250 euros from Vodafone., arriving in 3 days. I'm upgrading from a oneplus 6 I got back in 2018. Excited to try it out.
Trying to get that deal but there's no stock anywhere 😂
But what about idle/standby drain? I returned the 7a (alongside other reasons) because overnight basttery drain was just too high - with only the cellular reception turned on (no internet).
I really wish my P8 had that matte finish like the 8a has
Thank you, i was wondering why people was comparing a phone at msrp to a phone on promo like if the 8a will never go on sale.
It's available via Google Fi for $299
Still using my 6A. Great phone. Love it.
I'm still using the 6a too.
I wish it broke so I could upgrade to the 8 😅
10:01 Im pretty sure Software support is Visible on the Update section when it gets dropped a new one
2:57 oh a note 9 that is really cracked bro
Got mine for 299€ Im loving it , its my first pixel ever
Hwere did you get that price?
@@giobat8994I assume that it's a phone contract, no way it's already this cheap when the phone is brand new.
Google fi probably
@@leonro With Trade in, in German we get 150 off on top of the value of your old phone. My 6a would result in a 259€ reduction in price
@@giobat8994 Got it from Vodafone campain
I'm still happy with my 6a. as long as it runs, I will keep it.
4:40 that sounds exactly like you are describing the lost purse at Ludwig's situation
Most likely is exactly that
the 30w google brick outputs that within the 3a window as its operating at 10v. At 9v it outputs 27w and 5v for 15, you dont need a different cable, the charging curves are simply very different between the 2 phones, similar to samsung and their 25w/45w debacle
Finally, someone gets it. The phone already has pre-order discounts too. AND great rebates for returning your older phones.
8:53 really? The cable in the box cannot reach full charging speed? First they remove the wall plug adapter and now this? Oneplus does charging better, i wish google would copy
Well it's something that the average consumer won't care about or notice and charging slower extends battery longevity
Even Xiaomi does it better by giving you wall adapter and a cable even with the cheapest phones. Somo budget options even include 67 Watts chargers in the box. The big brands are just ridiculous at this point
My sister got 8a for 250$ on her trip to the US. That too the 256 gig model, definitely a steal!
My 7a is beat up but i love it. Definitely looking to get an 8/8a
the problem with these phones is now Tensor. I'm not sure when theyll match Snapdragon in efficiency, they heat way too much.
Tensor is like Samsung-level efficiency… or even worse. They are no match to Snapdragon and Apple Silicon.
Literally have no issues with my 7a. Use it in a hot car for navigation and music over Bluetooth all day at work. Get around 6-7 hours SOT on 4G. And no most phones get shit battery life on real 5G
because most people dont have any problems. most people have no idea what processor is in there phones.
I never had a heat issue ith my Pixel 6 or 7 Pro. Only people who care are nerds who look at specs rather than real world use
The pixel 8's biggest faults are the tensor chip and modem, it's why the battery life is so much worse compared to Samsung and apple.
The bezels are awful. But the worst thing is the network connectivity. I have 2 bars currently on my 8a, while 5 bars on my s20 ultra.. both devices are 3 inches apart. There's no reason for such poor network connectivity. And then theres the audio.. its consistently off sync'd by a millisecond or more. "Googling" these issues will only bring you no fix results, but threads of others encountering theses issues.
In Australia, the phone is retail for $849. But there are 2 promotions: 1. trade-in old phone to get a $300 discount plus phone value. 2.$200 Store voucher after transaction.
I love the 8a, got it yesterday. Directly from Google, it was only $300. Definitely worth it at that price
Yes, but is it Pixel8ed??
This deserves more likes
Have been using a 3a since I got it in a sale a few months after launch, and love it. Got the 8a here in France with almost 200 € trade-in for the 3a, thanks to a bonus 150 € for any trade-in, which made the choice between the 8a and the non-discounted 8 a no-brainer.
And yet I'm still rocking a 4a 5g because of the headphone/aux port looks like I'll be waiting longer yet
Had a 4a and moved to a 6a when they came out. Considered 8a but didn't seem like much of an upgrade.
I traded in my 3a for the 6a only because the trade in value was a mindblowing $350 so the price was basically $150. and let's be honest. $150 for a new phone is basically unheard of! I couldn't pass that up (but...that was two years ago, and since phones use lithium-ion batteries the battery life definitely leaves a lot to be desired. Oh Lord Google, please give us removable batteries. I BEG YOU!
Only thing that made me consider going from 6a to 8a was the 120hz screen. I want a buttery smooth phone screen soooo badly
Unfortunately I can't use just that to justify to myself buying a whole new phone.
3a? 6a? Did I go back in time?
@@JoshuaCasey What do you do to your phone? My two year old 6A still has battery life close to when I got it.
synthetic voice injection is spooky
Was it to fix errors?
@@OldasianguyYeah, people complained that they had errors in their videos and then didn't tell people about it (or just told people in a comment or video description), so now they've started voice-over-ing the incorrect information with TTS, both as a tongue-in-cheek kinda thing, and to make it obvious they are correcting an error.
@@Clawthorne How doesn't Linus know that it is a SIM tray?? 3:50
@@AzVfL I assume he said "SD Card Tray" by accident.
you read my mind as i am in the market for a new phone and was eyeballing both the 8 and 8a. thanks for this!
Is the 8 Pro significantly better compared to the 8 or 8a? I can get a refurbished one full warranty here for same price as a new 8.
I don't get why phone manufacturers can't smooth out the transition to the camera bumps so it's more of a hill than a bump.
Many Chinese phones have. X7, x100, etc
The perpendicular bump can make cases fit better.
Weight?
I would prefer a bump to a hill
A bump helps you hold the phone
this probably doesn't matter and I'm too chronically online but the person linus mentioned at 4:35 is probably Ludwig
came to say the same thing lmao
@@mhsbosco we're too lost in the sauce.... in slime's own words "munching on the slop like fat little piggies" 😞
It was his son iirc
He talked about this story on the latest WAN show if you want to hear it
you musnt be terminally online enough since he was talking to his son to get the location for his wifes purse
@@WayStedYou tru dat
You guys failed to talk about how the fingerprint sensor is. Is it better than the 6a? Faster and better at recognizing your finger?
4:34 is this when ludwig was at a movie premiere?
I like the new style of having several cameras to which the hosts look at, but I personally think you're overdoing it just a little bit. Gives it a less... Natural feeling? I'd keep it, but do it a little less frequently. Just my 2 cents :)
Since when are thick bezels a feature🤔
youtubers forget not all countries get the same discounts
Are they supposed to just not bring it up to the majority of their audience? Stop whining DAMN
@@terribletimes902 sToP wHiNiNg DaMn
The dns question is why mine is local, also that stops tracking from ISPs etc.
I'll probably just wait for the 9 coming soon
why wait for the 9 when you can just wait a little longer and get a 10?
@@Tappits84just wait for the 11
@@Somone_final_final_v2 no i will wait for the 12 then buy the 11 at a discounted price :P
The fact that google wouldn't include a cable in the box that covers the full capabilities of the device it's bundled with is insane...
USB-C is such a nightmare on this front and there isn't a single brand that is even trying to make it right. They're all shoving in the cheapest least capable cable that's just sleeved nice.
The only way to trust a cable will actually work for more than the most basic charging is getting an active lightning cable? Really???
8a launched at $849 here in Australia. Major retailers are offerings $300 off when you trade-in an old phone, plus $200 back in gift card, plus the actual trade-in value off. Pretty good deal.
4:40 lol he's talking about @ludwig, while he was going to a movie premiere.
I don't understand the hate for the bezels. They're just that. Bezels.
I hate camera bumps. I'd so much rather have the phone that thick all around. All my cases make the back flat but I've seen the pixel cases often keep the dumb bump.
I don't hate them, but I still prefer smaller ones. It just looks better.
@@Jehty_ I mean yeah. Everyone has their preferences. To me the bezels aren't a huge deal.
for me it feels like a steal from the screen and makes the whole phone look like a toy
@@user-vg6qv5jv3w I have a Mous case that slightly slopes up towards the camera bump so it actually makes it flat.
I really don't like these robot voice inserts, they lower the quality of the videos drastically in my opinion.
I mean the quality is good, but the insert make it feel like a rushed job
am i the only one happy to see og shaved linus again
In future phone/conputer reviews, please mention if the usb c supports display output
I can hear echo in this video too . Give him a lav mic or something
Several recent videos have had more room reverb than older, some way more than other, I don't like it either
Hi
Can I ask why this is on shortcircuit? It feels like "full ltt" review
The battery test difference may in part be due to screen size too. Bigger screen, same brightness, more total light output.
18 Watts, welcome back to the stone age, I think the 30 (realistically 26 Watts) from my 5 year old OnePlus 7 Pro is slow and I desperately want 60+ Watt charging so this thing is maybe a contender for work, but nothing more. At this price I expect 80 Watt charging honestly.
Pixels Are Trash, Just Get A Samsung S24 Ultra.
enjoy your spyware phone!
Yeah just get a phone at least twice the price!!
Bought one sent it back for a replacement due to a grainy screen the replacement had the same issue so returned it and cancelled my contract will either keep my Redmi Note 13 Pro or grab the pixel 8a.
speaking of speed bumps....
Was thinking of England, and how about cobblestone? Or at least a "carpet texture."
Can you guys do a tech quickie on USB PD (Power Delivery). I thought negotiation for PD was between charger and device? I didn't think about it running some test? on cable to know how much power can go through. Id also be interested in why optical versions such as the one for the Quest 2 have generally have lower wattage support.
You don't do a DNS lookup for things in the DNS cache. So it won't slow down your video download from TH-cam, because you have visited the website recently already
can anyone sum up situation with model vulnerabilities that were on tensor 2. did they also make they way to g3?
Why did they ever get rid of the rear finger print sensor?
The general consensus with Android based phones is that they tend to drop in price very quickly after the first year, so the best time to get them is a year after or when they go on a discount/trade in offer, since those offers can be massive
crazy that hes still using the note 9 after all these years! how do you do it linus?
6:49 humiliation ritual
Linus still rocking a note 9 damn
Is the in app camera worse looking than the nativ camera app quality ?
Id be shocked if the white balance wasn't off on the display, considering its an issue on pixel 8/pro and you cant actually adjust that settings in android anymore...
In Switzerland P8 was around $20 more expensive on a promo than MSRP of P8a... So yeah...
No comment on the ongoing signal and overheating issues?
Is the audio a little off, like it's a echoes
I liked the speed bump joke 😂
i got this phone in front of me and the only negative aspect is the white color neutrality is optimized on blinding 2000nits. that means you will get a touch of orange in the lower Nits range. But the camera reminded me of my 15.000$ Nightvision headgear. You wont even need the LED flashlight at night to get super clear images.
damn i really didnt know that bigger bezel is a feature
Yeah, i overlooked it once i saw that humongous chunk of bezels
Decided I'll be sticking to pixel devices after I got this 8 pro