Get an exclusive @Surfshark deal! Enter promo code FROSTY1 for an extra 3 months free at surfshark.deals/frosty1 *Thank you all for watching!* This video was a huge collaborative effort which took many months of effort and dealing with censorship and all the rest so I am utterly thankful for everyone involved, especially you the viewer for being here! *______** CORRECTIONS_**_____* 1:29: This soldier is holding an AR 18, not an AR 15 as mistakenly stating in the narration 2:43: Here an image of an AR 18 is shown instead of an AR 10 or 15. 7:41: According to the supposed former head of Cuban intelligence, Fabian Escalate, the number of Assassination attempts on Castro was 638, not 368 as stated in the video. 16:55: An M1911 can actually lock back itself automatically and has a slide release. 24:44: The gas masks are actually French A.N.P. M51/53s with Soviet GP5 filters. The m51/53 is a upgraded version of the M51 gas mask. The upgrades being exhale valve and exhale valve cover changes but overall the M51 and M51/53 masks face piece remains identical to each other. 27:16: When mentioning the AKM a picture of a soldier wielding a MPI-K briefly appears on screen. 30:30: they're repelling, not fast roping. Air mobile units did exist in Vietnam and they did repel from helicopters. 30:46 dragons breath can cycle. there is multiple videos, granted using saiga 12s, going full auto with dragons breath. 31:39: According to a few local Vietnamese commentors, this sign actually translates to "fix the baby". 35:36: The weapon that appeared in the image is a XM177E1 instead of XM177E2, noticeable by the slightly shorter 10" barrel instead of 11.5" barrel and other small details. 40:27 this van does have some parts that could be as early as 1971 but still very much so anachronistic for the games setting. 46:01: This picture might be of Finnish soldiers. It is difficult to tell however if the article that claimed they are British is correct. 54:54: The AUG is Austrian, not Australian (certified goofball scripting error moment) 1:01:44 The suits shown here would not show up until the mid to late 1970s. Before that the US had a very complicated CBR protection system for ground troops with TAP gear being used for specialty roles like hazmat and chemical weapon disposal. 1:07:30 This picture shows both Kennedy and the Governor sitting at the same height in the same bolt-upright stance, but in reality they sat in different postures that roughly line up with the bullet’s flight path meaning it didn’t magically zigzag. We apologise for any confusing or misunderstandings caused from these scripting mistakes. *Attached here is a statement from one of our key researchers, FeReinsm containing some important information:* ''Once again, I’m grateful to be a part of this project! Especially when working together with The Frosty 1, two of my friends from FoB crews, Adrian Bari, AlexDVasilkov, and the MAN - Munancho INC. himself! Despite there being some problems at first due to the TH-cam algorithm and its age restricting which forces us to replace and censor some of the contents in order to make this video available for everyone of you guys to see. Interestingly, when Frosty tried to reupload the exact same version of the video for the 2nd time, it didn't get age resreicted or demonotised so it’s likely that a bot was flagging the videos randomly. Nevertheless, we decided to upload the toned down version just in case and we must apologise for the inconvenience. There’s also some extra things we’d like to inform you: 1. The main point in making this video is to point out any historical inaccuracies and other mistakes we can find within this game with our best efforts (simple as that), as for the educational case and a case study for fellow historical enthusiasts or even those who want to become future game developers or modders. 2. Speaking of which, at this point I'm pretty sure there will be some people who wanna respond with something like the inappropriate weapons are supposed to be “prototypes” or “testing weapons”. However, while few of them are quite acceptable in certain circumstances, the rest of the anachronistic weapons in the entire game are never introduced or never designed and even appear in blueprints during the 1960s period. Not to mention that some of these supposedly prototype weapons are: 1) Used in large numbers among the enemies. 2) Appear in multiple levels. 3) The existence of these weapons among certain factions are either questionable or outright inappropriate. 3. Sources for Soviet, Cuba, NVA, and Pathet Laos uniforms are all included in my art: www.deviantart.com/fereise/art/COD-Black-Ops-Revisioned-Soviets-Updated4-962764718rototype weapons are: 1) Used in large numbers among the enemies. 2) Appear in multiple levels. 3) The existence of these weapons among certain factions are either questionable or outright inappropriate. 3. Sources for Soviet, Cuba, NVA, and Pathet Laos uniforms are all included in my art: www.deviantart.com/fereise/art/COD-Black-Ops-Revisioned-Soviets-Updated4-962764718
I don’t think he makes these videos to say they’re not fun, I believe it’s just so people don’t get the wrong idea when playing them and take as reality which obviously no one should. It’s his own spin on historical events and as much as I love older cods I also enjoy these videos because I have learned quite a bit from his videos
@@matthewfahrig4484For sure, I don't think the inaccuracies take away from the game. Like, is it really a big deal that the population of Cuba was off by a couple of years in that one second it's on screen?
The possibility of Black Ops originally being set in the 80’s makes SO much sense. Like you mentioned, most of the assets are from the 70s and up, but with that said, maybe COD Black Ops was meant to be what Cold War became, story wise.
It would also track with the M16 having 30 round mags and, at least in the multiplayer (and I think some campaign missions where you pick it up instead of start with it) being burst fire, like the M16A2
Rumor has it that Black Ops was originally supposed to take place over a much longer period, from the Bay of Pigs to the Iran Embassy siege. The sheer amount of weapons and equipment from the 70’s and early 80’s was probably designed with that in mind before the story got shifted to only take place in the 60’s.
I just realized that their is another detail about the underwater base that is pretty strange. The fact that our main characters managed to survive at such high pressures without major equipment at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is pretty insane. That coupled with the thought that the main characters rapidly surfacing to water straight from the bottom of the ocean would give these character's a possible fatal condition called Caisson Disease. (Nitrogen bubbles forming in blood vessels due to rapid changes in pressures.)
As a Vietnamese myself, the translation at 31:41 is almost on point. In Vietnamese, "sữa" means milk whereas "sửa" mean fix and lemongrass is "sả", minor mistake there but anyway, love the video ❤ , I admire your dedication
Reasonable, but only in isolation. Taken all together it's unrealistic for a 2010 game to have a million different weapons just to compensate for them appearing once in the campaign for the sake of accuracy
@@mr.iiconicthat's not even what the video says though. The commentary mentions multiple period-correct weapons and gear that could and should have been reused several times throughout the game instead of the anachronistic ones we got.
@@mr.iiconicin fact, your comment defeats your own argument. For example: PPSh41s, STG44s, Tokarevs, Mosins, MP40s, and more shown in the WWII flashback sequence should have been shown in use by communist Vietnamese forces (because they were used by them, especially the PPSh, Tokarev, and Mosin), which would decrease the overall amount of gun models in the game. Instead they appear for a very brief time, which is why your argument is nonsensical.
@@DrygdorDradgvork very true! but often it also mentions weapons not in the game that would not be worth the effort or space. (I think I haven't seen it in a while but I remember that vividly)
That's what i thought exactly. IMO, the campaigns of CoD1 to WaW (although has some historical inaccuracies as well) feels like an actual war story showing the horrors of war and even characters feels like an actual war soldiers trying to survive in the battlefield, and since MW2 (2009) to now, the campaigns is reduced to be way too cinematic like a cheesy action movie and the characters itself feels like a action movie characters as well.
@@dogstackedthat means it’s not a historical inaccuracy, it was a reused asset for a part of the game that isn’t supposed to be seen by the player during normal playthrough…
@@ManiacMayhem7256it would be difficult as hell, since there are several map parts that is inaccurate too (like that big plane where Mason, Woods, and Bowman were captured by the Soviets)
12:07 Oddly enough I recognize that as the COD4 SAW turret that can occasionally pop in in the campaign. They seemingly just copy/pasted that turret rather than develop a new turret with their own gun models
Yeah, it’s just a reused asset from CoD4. Since you’re not meant to see them, I think that ought to get a pass. The M60s on the Hip are pushing it, though.
A classic mistake of the old Call of Duty. The option, maybe, is that this was done for balance in multiplayer, so that the GP-25 does not have an unnecessary advantage in reload speed.
Vietnamese here. 31:47 The sign was not badly translated, but more like written with wrong spelling and citation. Instead of Sữa em bé (baby milk) it was Sửa em bé (Repair baby). And there are multiple like that throughout this mission. And thank you for very accurately depict our army back then.
Damn! What a poetic ending with the JFK assassination, and an inaccuracy being taken off at the last second because of it. Bravo Frosty, gave me goosebumps.
I don't wanna make a wall of text like I have time before but I love that Treyarch themselves make it rather inconclusive going deep into the CIA terminal.
I always praised Black Ops 1 for its historical setting and use of actual events buuuuut..... damn, i didnt know it was this bad. I mean, i knew theyd cut corners, reuse assests where they didnt belong, but a lot of this just WOW. The double Saws just levitating off the side of the Russian helicopters had me rolling.
@@tridizzlexbasically every single thing in the Black Ops campaign is complete fiction and US government propaganda. As a kid it was one of my favorite CoD campaigns due to the setpieces, the characters and all the gore and grime that came with other Treyarch entries. However, me and all my friends who also played the game as kids knew just how bullshit it was because we come from the former socialist bloc. If you wanna read just how much the US government lies about communist countries I'd reccomend the book 'Blackshirts and Reds' by American political scientist Michael Parenti, that's about as good of a history lesson as it gets
In the end, black ops 1 is a work of fiction. Doesn’t really matter that they got a lot of details wrong as long as they made a good game and a good story, which i think they did.
@@Cyann33andaThird It matters to me. Being a work of fiction doesn't negate the fact they got stuff wrong when they easily could have done stuff correctly. It doesn't really take away from the game, but it's still a missed opportunity.
I appreciate how you not only point out the problems, but also provide solutions. I wish they would consult people like you, and make revamped/corrected games with the changes.
The rifle you called an AR-15 at the beginning is actually an AR-18. Two very different refiles, despite being very similar in name and somewhat in looks.
there are hints in the game's pre alpha builds that this was the case, and the computer has lore entries that dont canonically take place until the 1970s
@@Deathmare235I don’t think the inaccuracies isn WaW represent a lack of care, more just the standard level of inaccuracy you’d see in any piece of media
I’d love to see one done on BO2, I know half the game is set in 2025, so you can’t really mention any inaccuracies, however you could mention things that are unlikely to happen, over exaggerated, etc…
I would say there is plenty to cover with Bo2 from the 1980s levels to even the guns in the future levels which are still somewhat based on actual guns I think
54:26 Can't believe that without investigating any development and background of Activision during 2007 to 2011 you actually nailed it. The main inspiration for Black Ops were 80' action flicks taking advantage from conspiracy theories while recycling the assets of previous installments thus why everything around is in flames and explodes with metal and hard rock music in the background, the ending just screams 'MURICAH! to your face (Let's be honest, it only lacked the eagle screech), why Black Ops Zombies is so over the top almost being nuts and the presence of an arcade style mini game despite everything being set in the 60's Along side with this project another team was in the works of another Call of Duty spin off but in third person perspective set in Vietnam, it never got out of the prototype stage because the higher-ups thought it lacked modern-like action and looked like an uncharted-another goddamn oldie shooter bastard child They decided that the Vietnam setting and the 80's flick styled action could benefit from each other and merged them together with the assets they already had
I was pretty shocked when I first played BO and saw all the optics used in guns. I thought, wow, this tech existed way earlier than I thought. Turns out it really wasn't the case.
My grandpa was a MACV (not MACV-SOG) advisor in Vietnam and was present during the Tet Offensive (the Vietnamese offensive depicted in game), and his brother in law was a captain in the 101st (both combat veterans). This game is more Cold War than Vietnam, but I wonder what they would think of the Vietnam bits
I had a Vietnam War vet uncle. He only ever saw me play the online but I had bad internet at the time lol. All he ever commented was one time, and he said "Why do you have to spend 12 rounds on them to put em down but they put you down in 3?"
Can’t wait for someone to make a historical accuracy mod like they did for WAW. 6:51 They are also flying with their landing gear deployed and rear cargo ramp open. 40:20 The model for 747 appears to be the 400 variant which wouldn’t enter service until 1989. 45:31 Fun fact: The Sten in this game is actually an unused asset leftover from WAW as it was originally going to feature a British campaign set in the Netherlands during Operation Market Garden. - One of the maps in the Project Nova mission seems to show a Nova 6 laced V-2 launch site being located in Baffin Island, Canada. - Missed inaccuracy: SR-71s were never deployed on recon missions over the USSR due to the fallout from the 1960 U-2 Incident. They simply flew near Soviet airspace and use its powerful cameras and sensor to peer into the country. 1:04:47 This underwater base seems to be partially inspired by Project Azorian which was a CIA operation to recover the wreck of a Soviet ballistic missile submarine that sank north of Hawaii in 1974. 1:05:57 I think those are supposed to be Gearing class destroyers.
Same, but this one is gonna take much more effort than to the mod in WAW. All the variety of weapons and uniforms, same goes for changing the vehicles Other than that, I can’t wait
The difference between the innacuracies is BO1 and Vanguard is the fact that while BO1 is wildly innacurrate, it had respect for history. Unlike Vanguard which changes the nationality of WW2 heroes.
It did not respect history lol, for example, the guy that led the attack against the MPLA wasnt a bloodthirsty capitalist fighter, in bo2 he is shown as basically a ruthless killer while his family today has said his personality in the game is insulting.
The Op 40 mission alone shows how little of a shit they actually gave. The entire mission is just erasing the exploits of real Cuban heroes to take out Castro to replace them with American badasses. Love the game, doesn't respect history. It's a Hollywood film.
The statement can be applied to BO1/2, people are just biased towards nostalgia, and they think since it's old = impossible to be bad, I understand new games can be sloppy but this person is completely ignoring that just because the game isn't vanguard doesn't mean it is made with care.@@fiskersproductions
To be fair, the “ACOG” sight in-game is actually a period-authentic Colt scope when used on most weapons (excluding the AK and Enfield which use the PK(?) and SUSAT scope) with the name “ACOG” likely only being for players to recognise as a familiar attachment from previous games. Both US and Soviet night vision/starlight scopes appear as thermal sights in multiplayer. Also if I remember correctly, the “Magic Bullet” Theory at 1:07:30 has been debunked as it assumes both Kennedy and the Governor were sat at the same height in the same bolt-upright stance, rather than being sat in different postures that roughly line up with the bullet’s flight path meaning it didn’t magically zigzag.
Ignoring the anachronisms, the weapons in this game always felt a bit incomplete to me. Several of them are missing attachments, all but two of the automatic weapons have a fixed fire rate of either 750 or 937 RPM, and I'm convinced that almost half of the SMGs were supposed to be in a machine pistol class at some point, but Treyarch probably changed their minds once they saw how they were being used in MW2.
@Horgler that makes so much sense. I always wondered why there were so many SMGs in this game (more than the others?) and most of them are totally worthless in multiplayer.
The Commando rifle is literally an ancient precursor to the M4A1. The CAR-15 and M16A1 and M16A2 rifles would be the ones that had no removable carry handle sight.
I would absolutely love to see historical inaccuracies of the Battlefield 1 war stories. So many crazy weapons and the codex entries give history about them but my friends and I have realized there are a lot of anachronistic items in the game and would love to see your take on it!
I always think “they shouldn’t have made all these optical sight weapon attachments for the guns”, and I prefer to play recon like assault since it feels better using a bolt action rifle, instead of a helriegel.
I feel like the mason portions of black ops 2 as well as cold war were treyarch's way of rectifying the issue of bo1 being set in the 60's even though they likely want it to be in the 80's
17:55 Fun fact about carl gustav. We sweds officially refer it as m/45 submachine pistol (offical name kulsprutepistol m/45) my source is SoldF soldaten i fält (mine is from 2001)
I've also noticed that the Mi-8 are acutally Mi-17/ Mi-8M. The ingame helos have the tailrotor on the left, the shorter engines (with dustfilters) and the IR-jammer on the tail.They likely just used the models from the Modern Warfare series and modefied them a bit.
36:16 Reznov was referring to Dragovich specifically, not the Soviet Union. Mason says this after Reznov’s line but there’s a common bug where it doesn’t play
I feel like they mixed up the dialogue order since mason says “Dragovich” (during the slow motion scene where woods is jumping into the boat), which happens before Reznov says his line..
Black Ops: Declassified is pretty much what you were talking about when you said you thought BO1 was designed to be set further in time, as the game reuses BO1 assets and takes place in the mid-to-late 1970s and early 1980s.
19:28 The missiles on these MiGs are R-73/AA-11 Archers, which entered service in the 1980s. They also made the missile body and fins WAY too wide. Had they used the more time appropriate K-13/AA-2 Atoll (introduced 1961), you probably would have given it a point for "soviet plane using US missiles", since the Atoll is a copy of the AIM-9 Sidewinder.
Something else to mention is that them descending that fast underwater would cause them to get severe decompression sickness (its been a long time since I've scuba dived so that might not be the right name. Feel free to correct me). To get to that pressure they would need to take well over an hour to equalize their bodies to the pressure and would need to do the same thing while going back up. Severe decompression sickness can kill you. Also: You mentioned this in the description already but theres a max diving depth for highly trained scuba divers due to increasing pressure. For technical divers its between 170-350 feet. The amount they went down is wayyy past 300 feet. This pressure would fuck them up
@@majesticwolfyguy6629 Our first model, which is closest to the Steyr AUG, is the F88 Austeyr and its variants. The EF88 is the modernized version by Thales made in the late 2000s-early 2010s. There's also the further modernized F90, also by Thales.
Something minor: The Soviet grenade launcher uses caseless ammunition. The propellant is inside the grenade itself, it leaves nothing behind in the launcher. Yet, when reloading this launcher, the player character shakes some invisible thing out of it before putting in the new grenade. Yes, this HAS bothered me for the last 13 years.
1:31 So the rifle that was in the picture here is an ArmaLite AR-18, which was made to be a cheaper alternative to the M16. And because it was first made during 1963, it would have actually been period correct if it was featured in the later missions. Period correct, but not accurate though, as it was never adopted by any armed forces.
@@AeonPhoenix dozens of countries clones it. The most radical, yet clear copy, is the brit L85. Rather than just refining the mechanism, like the G36 or CETME Model L, it straight up is a bullpup copy, all the way down to the construction methods.
@@AeonPhoenixA LOT of guns were based off the AR-18 design. It’s often called the “most successful failure in small arms” because while the gun itself didn’t sell very well due to US foreign policy giving away a lot of free M16s to third world allies, cutting into the potential market for the AR-18, the short stroke gas piston design was widely copied for guns like the G36, F2000, and L85. Chances are, if a modern gun isn’t an AR-15 or AK derivative, it’s an AR-18 derivative.
The 45 round 'extended mag' for the AK in game is actually just a 30rd 5.45 magazine instead of the 7.62 its supposed to be. So a completely different ammo conversion when you get the extra 15 rounds.
How in the world, with all the weapons available to them during the Vietnam War/Cold War, the team managed to say "Hey, what if we put the very rare WA2000 in the hands of Viet Cong and put not one but TWO HK G11 complete with the needed ammunition rack in a soviet bunker? That would fit, right?" I can get having them as multiplayer rifles, kinda, since it's never supposed to be realistic and/or historically accurate anyway, but god damn this is really the thing that makes me scratch my head. Other than that, superb work, nicely done and I love how you suggest other changes for what weapons and/or vehicles could have been used
I doubt anyone is gonna bother given how old this game is and most modding efforts for cod are for zombies. Plus with the amount of errors you may as well make an entirely new game than rehash a 15 year old one
@@everythingsalright1121Frosty has already covered a mod like this for World At War which is an even older game so it seems likely that a mod will be made to correct this game.
I agree with you. Because in the early 1960s, every US servicemen were still equipped with WW2 era weapons such as Tommy gun, M3 Grease gun and M1 Garand. Also, you won't get any reflex sights and holographic sights throughout the Cold War.
17:30 the m1911 has a last round hold open. The magazine, when the last round has been shot, pushes the slide catch up so the slide locks back on an empty mag.
i still remember the day i played the entire BO1 campaign a couple days after release. I still remember 90% of the missions. What a brilliant, brilliant game! such a shame that cod is moving in a terrible direction currently :/
As a 24yold french man, Black Ops was the first +18 rated game (equivalent to M rated) that I owned. It was the first game truly grounded in reality that I ever played, appart from the Halo, Fable & Nintendo games that I played at the same time. I am now an History and military/warfare enthusiast in all pieces of media with a strong appreciation for historical accuracy and history preservation, and I can tell that Black Ops really left me with a incorrect vision of what the Cold War was like. There a many misrepresentations that remains grounded in my mind about that time period and left me believing that Cold War was a grimier, early version of 80s-90s warfare, instead of the "WW2 enhanced and polished" style from the 50s-60s and early 70s that I adore. I do not believe that the team that Treyarch has put many effort into representing the era. Based on how I personally remember the game when I was 10 and how it is portrayed in this video, it feels like the "Discovery Channel" version of Cold War. I do not believe that Call of Duty being an arcade accessible shooter, previously focused on WW2 then modern era warfare, shifting its era for a single episode (at the time) during the Cold War is an excuse for such a poor representation of the major events that the USA got involved into during the period. A game does not need to be realistic nor a simulation to simply be accurate in its depiction of a real life event, and I do not believe a gameplay excuse works either, nor the excuse of an "alt history" or a "side fictive history" that took part during the events. Those major real life events are named, portrayed and lived in the game and as such, should be, my in opinion, granted with more efforts for a accurate representation, even if romanced. By taking my single example, such inaccuracies made me to grow up with a wrong image of that period and caused me many misbeliefs that I had to work hard to forget about. And even with that, I am an History enthusiast, so I will eventually get rid of it since I take interest in the matter. But many people of my age that doesn't necessary care about it would not understand how wrong the game portrays the era and live their life with inaccuracies about those important part of history. It might seem like a minor inconvenience, but I believe that It takes part at building up generations of uncultured people.
My take on the inaccuracies is a mixture of "well this is special ops, so they had these things earlier than they actually said" and "Mason was brainwashed, so the things he's seeing weren't really there" Though it's probably just lazy research when in development. Great vid!
Also, apart from the Afghanka cut uniform being anachronistically used by the soviet faction, the camouflage pattern printed on it - generally referred to as 'flora', VSR-98 or 'arbuz' (meaning watermelon) - was only accepted into service in 1998! I think the Cuban Tropas' camo you said was supposed to represent their grey lizard pattern, also was just Russian flora.
43:09 Fun fact, for some weird reason, they used COD2 Mosin Nagant animations instead of World At War. Hence the strange incompatibility between the reload animations. And they used the strange COD4 scope overlay as well... really bad choices if you ask me.
I love how you provide pictures of the accurate guns and equipment! Black ops1 and waw are my childhood though and are the reason I love learning about wwII and Vietnam!
35:36 Quick note, the weapon that appeared in the image is a XM177E1 instead of XM177E2, noticeable by the slightly shorter 10" barrel instead of 11.5" barrel and other small details.
@VinDoyNew Same here, Knew a guy once who carried the M16A1 then worked with special ops via private security. CAR-15 in this game should look like the original A1 not a modern day M4A1
I don’t know why quotation marks surround “very historical accurate”. I don’t believe anyone of importance ever claimed CoD games were historically accurate prior to Vanguard.
The gas masks being worn at 24:44 are actually French A.N.P. M51/53s with Soviet GP5 filters.The m51/53 is a upgraded version of the M51 gas mask.The upgrades being exhale valve and exhale valve cover changes but overall the M51 and M51/53 masks face piece remains identical to each other.
I'm so glad you brought up the chemical weapons thing. I had two uncles who served in Vietnam and both died decades after the war had ended due to exposure to these weapons.
It's really cool to see that even though Treayarch had to constantly reuse assets and butcher many fine details from the development rush, they made a darn fine game in spite of it.
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3:20 Hey, im a Cuban The symbol on their arms and berets are actually the Roundel of the Cuban air force. Which is strange, because the police and milicianos have their own logos.
I'd hazard a guess the orginal BO was supposed to be a more down to earth 80s Bond-esque secret agent game. It would explain alot of choices for weapons and uniforms, along with the whole vibe of the main three villians.
@@gucciflipflopbleepthe saddest thing is, Titanfall devs created mw1 and mw2 and wanted to steer clear from that, as it's obvious Shepherd was introduced as far more threatening then Makarov. But the whole team got fired and we got Sledgehammer's Mw3 at 2011... darn shame.
2:53 the comment about the acog sights is mostly correct, with the exception of the Colt 3x20 scope, since it was made in 1962 (still anachronistic for "Operation 40") all the other low zoom optics, like the PK-A, Swarovski and SUSAT were indeed period inappropriate.
The optic on the M16 also does look like a Colt 3x, but strangely attached like an ACOG would, replacing the carry handle entirely instead of being mounted on top
@@TacticalBaguette Yeah that is weird. Also, I wonder if the Colt python scope was anachronistic to the setting? I know that the Colt python isn't, but I couldn't find any information on when the Colt python scope was made.
16:55 This is the last round hold-open present on most modern semi-automatic pistols. He closes the slide by using his thumb to actuate the slide release on the left side of the pistol.
@lordfinesse2806 Yeah, I'm surprised that someone who cares so much about highlighting the inaccuracy of these games would get something so basic wrong. There are plenty of videos out there of people using 1911s to know that the way it was handled in the game was not an "inaccuracy."
I live in the Urals and when played this game first time, i was shocked seeing Yamantau depicted as some Alpian 4000+ meters mountain, while it looks more like a really big hill IRL. Moreover, avalanches in Southern Urals, in which Yamantau is, are practically impossible to form. I think some treyarch guys looked for russian mountains and gone through some russian conspiralogical sites: Yamantau is actually two mountains - Big and Small Yamantaus. The Big one cannot be accessed by civilians but only military and geologists, and in 2000's there was a popular opinion, that the mountain is the government bunker for President in case of nuclear war. However, it's like that because near it situated an enclosed city Mezhgorye, and tourists still can visit Small Yamantau without permission.
2:48 So...thing is, the 'ACOG' scope model in Black Ops 1 *is* based on the Colt 4x20 scope. It does actually somewhat fit the era and the part - what's incorrect, and I'm sure this is to make it understandable to gamer types, is calling the thing an ACOG (and y'know the fact that gets put on a flattop rail system with a majority of weapons which, sure rails have existed for a while at that point, but not exactly in the modern MIL-STD-1913 fashion). The exception is that the "ACOG" for Russian guns uses a different model. What it is exactly I don't know, but I don't think it's a frankenstein'd Colt scope; really it should be the PSO-1 since that is also ~4x magnification. Also, the red dot model in BO1 is apparently based upon the Elbit Falcon. Doesn't change the time-warping, but neat detail.
The theory that the game was to be set originally in the 1980 just makes so much sense if you think about it. Weird that i never heard someone talk about that before. It seems so obvious now
BO1 on the DS has more historically accurate weapons despite some guns arent really present at the time it takes place. Overall BO1 made Cold War small arms interesting and crazy. Crazy as in the SPIW project is the closest we can have to a IRL COD MP loadout
22:44 Btw. PM-63 (also called RAK) has an empty-shot blocker. In short when You emptied the magazine, receiver won't go forward like most open-bolt weapons even when You try to pull the trigger multiple times - empty magazine will lock receiver in rear position.
There should be a BO1 mod that fixes the historical inaccuracies and the anachronistic weapons in the game, like the Fall of Berlin mod for World at War. It would be interesting to see what the gameplay of Black Ops would look like if it’s historically accurate
It wouldn't be that odd for Green Berets to know Vietnamese as All Green Berets ( MOS 18x) are required to learn and be proficient in a foreign language as close work with locals is a big part of the 18x missions. Everyone in SOG picked up some Vietnamese and knew some other languages like Bru or Montauard to various degrees. But yeah they should have gotten real Vietnamese in there.
The unit “MACVSOG” that woods is from did not actually use camo unless kicking around in base. There were very rare instances of it being used by sog in actual missions but they really used standard jungle fatigues
SOG guys were allowed to wear, carry, and modify pretty much whatever the fuck they wanted and could get their hands on, also they utilized sterilized equipment, not unlikely at all some SOG guys wore locally tailored Tiger, French Paratrooper, or Frog Skin cammies out in the field, occasionally point men would even dress as NVA
@@beserkerpatroit1337 However according to multiple SOG members in interviews and books they were rarely taken out, locally made stuff was absolutely crap and fell apart in a matter of hours and there wasn't much American made stuff that was any good. (don't get me started on the mess that was tigerstripe) th-cam.com/video/LzCTveIX_zY/w-d-xo.html here John Stryker Meyer describes how bad they were (he says how SOME teams wore it but not many), later in the war I don't doubt they wore ERDL however they mostly wore modified jungles. The closest to camo with those were sprayed or dyed black fatigues. You're running off misconceptions friend.
@@beserkerpatroit1337 SOG operatives were specifically told to go "over the fence" fully sterile. By a wide margin, their uniform of choice were 2nd/3rd Jungle fatigues in OD green, sometimes crisscrossed with black aviation paint. It wasn't until the official invasion of Laos and Cambodia in 1970 that they began to use canouflage patterns like ERDL or Tiger Stripes. In 1968, all of them wore nondescriot jungle fatigues. The "Special Forces wear whatever they want" trope is as common as it's a myth. And even after 1970, whenever there was a need for deniability, they reverted back to green fatigues, as portrayed in the 1971 Son Tay raid.
I think it should be noted that along with the M1967 web gear worn by American soldiers, there is also a lot of ALICE gear mixed in, which was not issued until the mid to late 1970s. Also, their uniform shirts have shoulder pockets, which were also absent from jungle fatigues. Nitpicky as well, but USMC troops in Vietnam did not have cat eye bands on their helmet, they used what’s commonly referred to as a tire tube.
This is an absolute treat to divulge into and the amount of effort gone into this cannot be overstated. it's simply incredible stuff also cherry on top, i had doubts about the nationality until i heard "absolute eejit" and thought "yep that's purebred Irish"
17:41 Not to mention the Elbit Falcon red dot sight. Is obviously anachronistic. A Singlepoint OEG would be appropriate but obviously unusable given the monocular perspective of video games.
I’m taking four history college courses at the time this video went up and I’ve learned SIGNIFICANTLY more from this video about the Cold War than all four of my classes combined.
I swear any historical action games always have these kinds of "this game taught me more about history than my history class" comments made about them. Like yea they're neat and entertaining, but realistically, in what context will knowledge of stuff like "what uniforms did the North Vietnamese Army use during the 1960s" actually be of any use outside of some niche military history applications or videos like this?
@@CoolAndrew89 pretty much. Most history courses focus on thingd like events, ideologies and whatnot. Sure weapons might have some relevance if they significantly affected the events being covered in a course but for the most part university course arent meant to talk about how cool a gun was or what every detail of a uniform is
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778Mostly big imperialist nations like Russia, China or America do these things. You wouldn't see biased history from an Austrian school, for example.
I think there's a lot to digest about the inaccuracies in this game. 1. A lot of the inaccuracies are likely the result of major time constraints in development 2. A lot of the anachronistic uniforms and weapons are likely the result of a combination of trying to use equipment thats "iconic" or the result of the studio just having assets already lying around to use. I think what both this game and World at War does well is uses what may be inaccurate models and equipment to find a way to still immerse the player in the setting and themes of the game.
I like to imagine that when Australian military was deciding on the next service rifle back in the day, they had so many equally good options that they only chose AUG because its from a country with similar name
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*______** CORRECTIONS_**_____*
1:29: This soldier is holding an AR 18, not an AR 15 as mistakenly stating in the narration
2:43: Here an image of an AR 18 is shown instead of an AR 10 or 15.
7:41: According to the supposed former head of Cuban intelligence, Fabian Escalate, the number of Assassination attempts on Castro was 638, not 368 as stated in the video.
16:55: An M1911 can actually lock back itself automatically and has a slide release.
24:44: The gas masks are actually French A.N.P. M51/53s with Soviet GP5 filters. The m51/53 is a upgraded version of the M51 gas mask. The upgrades being exhale valve and exhale valve cover changes but overall the M51 and M51/53 masks face piece remains identical to each other.
27:16: When mentioning the AKM a picture of a soldier wielding a MPI-K briefly appears on screen.
30:30: they're repelling, not fast roping. Air mobile units did exist in Vietnam and they did repel from helicopters.
30:46 dragons breath can cycle. there is multiple videos, granted using saiga 12s, going full auto with dragons breath.
31:39: According to a few local Vietnamese commentors, this sign actually translates to "fix the baby".
35:36: The weapon that appeared in the image is a XM177E1 instead of XM177E2, noticeable by the slightly shorter 10" barrel instead of 11.5" barrel and other small details.
40:27 this van does have some parts that could be as early as 1971 but still very much so anachronistic for the games setting.
46:01: This picture might be of Finnish soldiers. It is difficult to tell however if the article that claimed they are British is correct.
54:54: The AUG is Austrian, not Australian (certified goofball scripting error moment)
1:01:44 The suits shown here would not show up until the mid to late 1970s. Before that the US had a very complicated CBR protection system for ground troops with TAP gear being used for specialty roles like hazmat and chemical weapon disposal.
1:07:30 This picture shows both Kennedy and the Governor sitting at the same height in the same bolt-upright stance, but in reality they sat in different postures that roughly line up with the bullet’s flight path meaning it didn’t magically zigzag.
We apologise for any confusing or misunderstandings caused from these scripting mistakes.
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''Once again, I’m grateful to be a part of this project! Especially when working together with The Frosty 1, two of my friends from FoB crews, Adrian Bari, AlexDVasilkov, and the MAN - Munancho INC. himself! Despite there being some problems at first due to the TH-cam algorithm and its age restricting which forces us to replace and censor some of the contents in order to make this video available for everyone of you guys to see. Interestingly, when Frosty tried to reupload the exact same version of the video for the 2nd time, it didn't get age resreicted or demonotised so it’s likely that a bot was flagging the videos randomly. Nevertheless, we decided to upload the toned down version just in case and we must apologise for the inconvenience.
There’s also some extra things we’d like to inform you:
1. The main point in making this video is to point out any historical inaccuracies and other mistakes we can find within this game with our best efforts (simple as that), as for the educational case and a case study for fellow historical enthusiasts or even those who want to become future game developers or modders.
2. Speaking of which, at this point I'm pretty sure there will be some people who wanna respond with something like the inappropriate weapons are supposed to be “prototypes” or “testing weapons”. However, while few of them are quite acceptable in certain circumstances, the rest of the anachronistic weapons in the entire game are never introduced or never designed and even appear in blueprints during the 1960s period. Not to mention that some of these supposedly prototype weapons are: 1) Used in large numbers among the enemies. 2) Appear in multiple levels. 3) The existence of these weapons among certain factions are either questionable or outright inappropriate.
3. Sources for Soviet, Cuba, NVA, and Pathet Laos uniforms are all included in my art: www.deviantart.com/fereise/art/COD-Black-Ops-Revisioned-Soviets-Updated4-962764718rototype weapons are: 1) Used in large numbers among the enemies. 2) Appear in multiple levels. 3) The existence of these weapons among certain factions are either questionable or outright inappropriate.
3. Sources for Soviet, Cuba, NVA, and Pathet Laos uniforms are all included in my art: www.deviantart.com/fereise/art/COD-Black-Ops-Revisioned-Soviets-Updated4-962764718
Hello :D
Don’t you need to pin this?
Can you list all wrong with CoDMWII
Thank you for posting this here and it's an honor to be a part of the project!😄
The aug was Austrian, about the only weapon fact that I knew from the video
Even when there are more than 200 historical inaccuracies this remains a fun game that we can all remember
I completely agree.
I don’t think he makes these videos to say they’re not fun, I believe it’s just so people don’t get the wrong idea when playing them and take as reality which obviously no one should. It’s his own spin on historical events and as much as I love older cods I also enjoy these videos because I have learned quite a bit from his videos
copy that
@@matthewfahrig4484For sure, I don't think the inaccuracies take away from the game. Like, is it really a big deal that the population of Cuba was off by a couple of years in that one second it's on screen?
@@abigbutterstick1780 no it does not matter gameplay wise but it think of it more as a fun thing like just to see everything that was inaccurate
The possibility of Black Ops originally being set in the 80’s makes SO much sense. Like you mentioned, most of the assets are from the 70s and up, but with that said, maybe COD Black Ops was meant to be what Cold War became, story wise.
i think this is almost 100% certainly the case
It would also track with the M16 having 30 round mags and, at least in the multiplayer (and I think some campaign missions where you pick it up instead of start with it) being burst fire, like the M16A2
I look at the campaign like how Mason remembers these events. And is his mind he mixes up what weapons he used and such
pretty sure story wise BOCW is between bo1 and bo2
@Krieger2214 30 Round mags were actually around during Vietnam but were limited use until the 80s era.
Rumor has it that Black Ops was originally supposed to take place over a much longer period, from the Bay of Pigs to the Iran Embassy siege. The sheer amount of weapons and equipment from the 70’s and early 80’s was probably designed with that in mind before the story got shifted to only take place in the 60’s.
That… makes so much sense now that I think about it
He talks abt this😊
Or the devs were just lazy and just re used assets from mw2.
@@spearfisherman308prob not the case but ok?
@@spearfisherman308but how? Almost every weapon isn't even a copy and paste
I just realized that their is another detail about the underwater base that is pretty strange. The fact that our main characters managed to survive at such high pressures without major equipment at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is pretty insane. That coupled with the thought that the main characters rapidly surfacing to water straight from the bottom of the ocean would give these character's a possible fatal condition called Caisson Disease. (Nitrogen bubbles forming in blood vessels due to rapid changes in pressures.)
Atlantic, not pacific
@@redbasher636HE SAID ATLANTIC DUMBASS
It wouldn't even be a possibility he would certainly die.
@@williamtaulbee7805 Hense why I said possible. Still could have some other painful effects when changing pressures.
That’s like half a mile to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, or over 2,500 feet down. Yeah, no way would Mason and Woods have survived that dive.
As a Vietnamese myself, the translation at 31:41 is almost on point. In Vietnamese, "sữa" means milk whereas "sửa" mean fix and lemongrass is "sả", minor mistake there but anyway, love the video ❤ , I admire your dedication
Mình là ng suggest ổng đó bạn :v
I like how you give reasonable alternative choices for anachronistic or inaccurate gear they used in the game.
Reasonable, but only in isolation. Taken all together it's unrealistic for a 2010 game to have a million different weapons just to compensate for them appearing once in the campaign for the sake of accuracy
@@mr.iiconicthat's not even what the video says though. The commentary mentions multiple period-correct weapons and gear that could and should have been reused several times throughout the game instead of the anachronistic ones we got.
@@mr.iiconicin fact, your comment defeats your own argument. For example: PPSh41s, STG44s, Tokarevs, Mosins, MP40s, and more shown in the WWII flashback sequence should have been shown in use by communist Vietnamese forces (because they were used by them, especially the PPSh, Tokarev, and Mosin), which would decrease the overall amount of gun models in the game.
Instead they appear for a very brief time, which is why your argument is nonsensical.
@@DrygdorDradgvork very true! but often it also mentions weapons not in the game that would not be worth the effort or space. (I think I haven't seen it in a while but I remember that vividly)
@@DrygdorDradgvork i don't care anymore and you're probably right anyway. I'm not rewatching this video for a pissing contest so you win.
1911 locks back itself when the last round is fired and has a slide release to release the slide without racking it
I was waiting for someone to to point this out, shit this is still used today
I was like "what?? thats not inaccurate?" while holding muh two world wars
Like any other autoloader made today
He’s European what did you expect?
Give him a pass, dude is European lol
5:08 "Now back to covering the inaccuracies or as we like to call them Black Oops." That one got a good chuckle outta me, great joke.
52:58 if your wondering why he said “our nation” instead of just Ireland, it’s because frosty is Irish
@@The_whales I think you replied to the wrong comment.
To be honest, the plot of Black OPs is basically an action movie.
Isn't that every cod plot?
That's what i thought exactly. IMO, the campaigns of CoD1 to WaW (although has some historical inaccuracies as well) feels like an actual war story showing the horrors of war and even characters feels like an actual war soldiers trying to survive in the battlefield, and since MW2 (2009) to now, the campaigns is reduced to be way too cinematic like a cheesy action movie and the characters itself feels like a action movie characters as well.
Bassicaly also just conspirancy theories and such
Imagine when the team behind Fall of Berlin series of mods for World At War put in hands into fix Black Ops. Dude, that would be awesome
There's so many innacuracies that it's probably a long ways away but it would be great regardless!
I love how you suggest replacement weapons for in-game guns that are anachronistic or otherwise inappropriate.
The M249 used by the Vorkuta prison guards is a commonly-used "mounted machine gun" asset originating from Call of Duty 4.
no shit
@@dogstackedthat means it’s not a historical inaccuracy, it was a reused asset for a part of the game that isn’t supposed to be seen by the player during normal playthrough…
it was because the game was made with the same engine as cod 4
@@thef1lm47 still extremely stupid though. Doesn't matter if it can be noticed or not.
@@thef1lm47 And it pisses me off that he counted that
It's wild how much you and the other researchers know, from the tiniest of details to the obvious ones
Great job to everyone involved on the video!
Those modders working on WAW, hope they do something for this game
@@ManiacMayhem7256Yes 😄
@@ManiacMayhem7256it would be difficult as hell, since there are several map parts that is inaccurate too (like that big plane where Mason, Woods, and Bowman were captured by the Soviets)
@@MatsuSenpaii
They could try the best they could. The castle part in WAW was hyper inaccurate after all
Analysing the crows as well😂
this game was absolutely meant to be in the 80's
Similar to Cold War was supposed to be
The Soviet Union was falling apart in the 80s. I don't think the campaign would make much sense
The Kowloon mission is the biggest giveaway, down to the end where your getaway crew are dressed like the A-team
12:07 Oddly enough I recognize that as the COD4 SAW turret that can occasionally pop in in the campaign. They seemingly just copy/pasted that turret rather than develop a new turret with their own gun models
Yeah, it’s just a reused asset from CoD4. Since you’re not meant to see them, I think that ought to get a pass. The M60s on the Hip are pushing it, though.
Bo1 could have used WAW WW2 weapon models at least like DP machine gun, since Bo1 game engine is based on WAW
One more thing, the gp-25 grenade launchers are caseless, whilst the one in game ejects a shell
He also called the Aug Australian when it's actually Austrian
A classic mistake of the old Call of Duty. The option, maybe, is that this was done for balance in multiplayer, so that the GP-25 does not have an unnecessary advantage in reload speed.
*ping*
@@Spicybaby0to be fair Australia uses it as their service weapon
@@R.Tafolla true they do use the f88 styer Aug but not the a1 aug
Vietnamese here. 31:47 The sign was not badly translated, but more like written with wrong spelling and citation.
Instead of Sữa em bé (baby milk) it was Sửa em bé (Repair baby). And there are multiple like that throughout this mission.
And thank you for very accurately depict our army back then.
the developers probably used google translate for the signs, probably why it did sửa instead of sữa
Thậm chí cả "Đĩa nhạc trẽ" nữa :v
repair baby.
“Repair baby” is sending me XDDD
Damn! What a poetic ending with the JFK assassination, and an inaccuracy being taken off at the last second because of it. Bravo Frosty, gave me goosebumps.
Well, it gave goosebumps for me.
fr what a nice touch the world may never know lol
I don't wanna make a wall of text like I have time before but I love that Treyarch themselves make it rather inconclusive going deep into the CIA terminal.
It gave you goosebumps,
It gave me an insurrection.
We're not the same.
I always praised Black Ops 1 for its historical setting and use of actual events buuuuut..... damn, i didnt know it was this bad. I mean, i knew theyd cut corners, reuse assests where they didnt belong, but a lot of this just WOW. The double Saws just levitating off the side of the Russian helicopters had me rolling.
I always saw this game as a badass history lesson, so that's kinda ruined for me now but I still love it
@@tridizzlexbasically every single thing in the Black Ops campaign is complete fiction and US government propaganda. As a kid it was one of my favorite CoD campaigns due to the setpieces, the characters and all the gore and grime that came with other Treyarch entries. However, me and all my friends who also played the game as kids knew just how bullshit it was because we come from the former socialist bloc. If you wanna read just how much the US government lies about communist countries I'd reccomend the book 'Blackshirts and Reds' by American political scientist Michael Parenti, that's about as good of a history lesson as it gets
In the end, black ops 1 is a work of fiction. Doesn’t really matter that they got a lot of details wrong as long as they made a good game and a good story, which i think they did.
@@Cyann33andaThird It matters to me. Being a work of fiction doesn't negate the fact they got stuff wrong when they easily could have done stuff correctly. It doesn't really take away from the game, but it's still a missed opportunity.
@@alastor8091At least they didn’t go around like Ubisoft saying they care about historically accurate *cough* Assassin’s Creed *cough* Shadows *cough*
I appreciate how you not only point out the problems, but also provide solutions. I wish they would consult people like you, and make revamped/corrected games with the changes.
The rifle you called an AR-15 at the beginning is actually an AR-18. Two very different refiles, despite being very similar in name and somewhat in looks.
Seems to be an error, one that's fixed in the subtitles. Dunno how he missed it during editing lol
AR-18 was a cheaper alternative to the 15 and no one really talks about it that much these days
@@Voucher765I’m actually surprised myself, never heard of this gun.
@@biggestwanderer8827it useda short stroke piston instead of the 15's direct impingement system. Other modern rifles like the scar kinda copy it
@@sean270wn3 Good to Know.
The mountain of anachronisms really makes me agree with your theory that Black Ops was initially meant to be in the 80s.
Or just Treyarch didn’t care about historical accuracy, even waw was historically inaccurate
@@Deathmare235WAYY more care then Vanguard tho
there are hints in the game's pre alpha builds that this was the case, and the computer has lore entries that dont canonically take place until the 1970s
@@Deathmare235I don’t think the inaccuracies isn WaW represent a lack of care, more just the standard level of inaccuracy you’d see in any piece of media
@@allanorme2093it has more inaccuracies than vanguard
I’d love to see one done on BO2, I know half the game is set in 2025, so you can’t really mention any inaccuracies, however you could mention things that are unlikely to happen, over exaggerated, etc…
there are a fair bit of flashback missions so he could do a mix
I mean...in 2 years he could absolutely compare the historical inaccuracies.
@@dannybeane2069100%, or 3 so it actually is a historical moment
I would love to see this in 2025
I would say there is plenty to cover with Bo2 from the 1980s levels to even the guns in the future levels which are still somewhat based on actual guns I think
54:26 Can't believe that without investigating any development and background of Activision during 2007 to 2011 you actually nailed it.
The main inspiration for Black Ops were 80' action flicks taking advantage from conspiracy theories while recycling the assets of previous installments thus why everything around is in flames and explodes with metal and hard rock music in the background, the ending just screams 'MURICAH! to your face (Let's be honest, it only lacked the eagle screech), why Black Ops Zombies is so over the top almost being nuts and the presence of an arcade style mini game despite everything being set in the 60's
Along side with this project another team was in the works of another Call of Duty spin off but in third person perspective set in Vietnam, it never got out of the prototype stage because the higher-ups thought it lacked modern-like action and looked like an uncharted-another goddamn oldie shooter bastard child
They decided that the Vietnam setting and the 80's flick styled action could benefit from each other and merged them together with the assets they already had
source and or proof?
I was pretty shocked when I first played BO and saw all the optics used in guns. I thought, wow, this tech existed way earlier than I thought. Turns out it really wasn't the case.
My grandpa was a MACV (not MACV-SOG) advisor in Vietnam and was present during the Tet Offensive (the Vietnamese offensive depicted in game), and his brother in law was a captain in the 101st (both combat veterans). This game is more Cold War than Vietnam, but I wonder what they would think of the Vietnam bits
thats very cool to read
My Uncle's friend was also there got shot in the neck but survived
I had a Vietnam War vet uncle. He only ever saw me play the online but I had bad internet at the time lol. All he ever commented was one time, and he said "Why do you have to spend 12 rounds on them to put em down but they put you down in 3?"
@@ManiacMayhem7256he's got a good point 😭
Bro stop it.@AustrianPainter420_
An hour and ten minutes of pure joy - thank you frosty for this masterpiece.
It was worth it
@@anthonyriego659 yup. Just finished all of it, definitely worth it. One of the coolest channels on yt by far
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Can’t wait for someone to make a historical accuracy mod like they did for WAW.
6:51 They are also flying with their landing gear deployed and rear cargo ramp open.
40:20 The model for 747 appears to be the 400 variant which wouldn’t enter service until 1989.
45:31 Fun fact: The Sten in this game is actually an unused asset leftover from WAW as it was originally going to feature a British campaign set in the Netherlands during Operation Market Garden.
- One of the maps in the Project Nova mission seems to show a Nova 6 laced V-2 launch site being located in Baffin Island, Canada.
- Missed inaccuracy: SR-71s were never deployed on recon missions over the USSR due to the fallout from the 1960 U-2 Incident. They simply flew near Soviet airspace and use its powerful cameras and sensor to peer into the country.
1:04:47 This underwater base seems to be partially inspired by Project Azorian which was a CIA operation to recover the wreck of a Soviet ballistic missile submarine that sank north of Hawaii in 1974.
1:05:57 I think those are supposed to be Gearing class destroyers.
That's what I said! I really want someone to make a mod that makes this game historically accurate!
Same, but this one is gonna take much more effort than to the mod in WAW. All the variety of weapons and uniforms, same goes for changing the vehicles
Other than that, I can’t wait
I've never heard the word "anarchronistic" used so many times before.
same
Well this game IS very anachronistic
Take a shot every time you hear it
The difference between the innacuracies is BO1 and Vanguard is the fact that while BO1 is wildly innacurrate, it had respect for history. Unlike Vanguard which changes the nationality of WW2 heroes.
It did not respect history lol, for example, the guy that led the attack against the MPLA wasnt a bloodthirsty capitalist fighter, in bo2 he is shown as basically a ruthless killer while his family today has said his personality in the game is insulting.
That's Bo2
The Op 40 mission alone shows how little of a shit they actually gave. The entire mission is just erasing the exploits of real Cuban heroes to take out Castro to replace them with American badasses. Love the game, doesn't respect history. It's a Hollywood film.
The statement can be applied to BO1/2, people are just biased towards nostalgia, and they think since it's old = impossible to be bad, I understand new games can be sloppy but this person is completely ignoring that just because the game isn't vanguard doesn't mean it is made with care.@@fiskersproductions
@@mr.iiconic they lost lmao
One thing to note. The HS10 makes an appearance in the mission with Hudson and weaver. It’s in the hidden weapons box that the British dude opens.
To be fair, the “ACOG” sight in-game is actually a period-authentic Colt scope when used on most weapons (excluding the AK and Enfield which use the PK(?) and SUSAT scope) with the name “ACOG” likely only being for players to recognise as a familiar attachment from previous games. Both US and Soviet night vision/starlight scopes appear as thermal sights in multiplayer.
Also if I remember correctly, the “Magic Bullet” Theory at 1:07:30 has been debunked as it assumes both Kennedy and the Governor were sat at the same height in the same bolt-upright stance, rather than being sat in different postures that roughly line up with the bullet’s flight path meaning it didn’t magically zigzag.
Ignoring the anachronisms, the weapons in this game always felt a bit incomplete to me. Several of them are missing attachments, all but two of the automatic weapons have a fixed fire rate of either 750 or 937 RPM, and I'm convinced that almost half of the SMGs were supposed to be in a machine pistol class at some point, but Treyarch probably changed their minds once they saw how they were being used in MW2.
@Horgler that makes so much sense. I always wondered why there were so many SMGs in this game (more than the others?) and most of them are totally worthless in multiplayer.
And the lack of gun firing audio, all of them sound the same, especially explosions and shotguns
17:27 These names are likely cover names assigned by the Soviet government. Not their real German names.
The Commando rifle is literally an ancient precursor to the M4A1. The CAR-15 and M16A1 and M16A2 rifles would be the ones that had no removable carry handle sight.
Yeah but the one ingame is definitely not an XM177
@@redtra236 Obviously
I would absolutely love to see historical inaccuracies of the Battlefield 1 war stories. So many crazy weapons and the codex entries give history about them but my friends and I have realized there are a lot of anachronistic items in the game and would love to see your take on it!
*Me playing The Runner and refusing to use the Lee Enfield Carbine they give you and rocking the standard infantry ones instead*
@@1SilverDollar me when I play the multiplayer and realize the Char 2C didn’t see functionality until 1921
Also people running around with prototype guns or guns made in low numbers
Yes
I always think “they shouldn’t have made all these optical sight weapon attachments for the guns”, and I prefer to play recon like assault since it feels better using a bolt action rifle, instead of a helriegel.
11:54 love the drawings, they're actually really good and informative.
Thank you! You can check out the original pic with better resolution and sources from a link in the description section as well.
I feel like the mason portions of black ops 2 as well as cold war were treyarch's way of rectifying the issue of bo1 being set in the 60's even though they likely want it to be in the 80's
17:55 Fun fact about carl gustav. We sweds officially refer it as m/45 submachine pistol (offical name kulsprutepistol m/45) my source is SoldF soldaten i fält (mine is from 2001)
I've also noticed that the Mi-8 are acutally Mi-17/ Mi-8M. The ingame helos have the tailrotor on the left, the shorter engines (with dustfilters) and the IR-jammer on the tail.They likely just used the models from the Modern Warfare series and modefied them a bit.
36:16 Reznov was referring to Dragovich specifically, not the Soviet Union. Mason says this after Reznov’s line but there’s a common bug where it doesn’t play
I feel like they mixed up the dialogue order since mason says “Dragovich” (during the slow motion scene where woods is jumping into the boat), which happens before Reznov says his line..
Black Ops: Declassified is pretty much what you were talking about when you said you thought BO1 was designed to be set further in time, as the game reuses BO1 assets and takes place in the mid-to-late 1970s and early 1980s.
Except it still messes up with some 90s and 2000s guns
29:37 not only is this tank a T-55 but judging by the sideskirt it's a type 69.II, the chinese version of the T-55 which entered service in 1982
19:28 The missiles on these MiGs are R-73/AA-11 Archers, which entered service in the 1980s. They also made the missile body and fins WAY too wide.
Had they used the more time appropriate K-13/AA-2 Atoll (introduced 1961), you probably would have given it a point for "soviet plane using US missiles", since the Atoll is a copy of the AIM-9 Sidewinder.
Something else to mention is that them descending that fast underwater would cause them to get severe decompression sickness (its been a long time since I've scuba dived so that might not be the right name. Feel free to correct me). To get to that pressure they would need to take well over an hour to equalize their bodies to the pressure and would need to do the same thing while going back up. Severe decompression sickness can kill you. Also: You mentioned this in the description already but theres a max diving depth for highly trained scuba divers due to increasing pressure. For technical divers its between 170-350 feet. The amount they went down is wayyy past 300 feet. This pressure would fuck them up
54:47 The Steyr AUG is Austrian, not Australian! Although the Australians would later adopt it too.
Great video btw, really enjoyed it!
It's ours now mate
We have made our own type called the EF88
100% pure Australian madness for killing flightless birds
Fun fact: The caption said Austrian
Mike
@@majesticwolfyguy6629 Our first model, which is closest to the Steyr AUG, is the F88 Austeyr and its variants. The EF88 is the modernized version by Thales made in the late 2000s-early 2010s. There's also the further modernized F90, also by Thales.
Something minor: The Soviet grenade launcher uses caseless ammunition. The propellant is inside the grenade itself, it leaves nothing behind in the launcher. Yet, when reloading this launcher, the player character shakes some invisible thing out of it before putting in the new grenade. Yes, this HAS bothered me for the last 13 years.
1:31 So the rifle that was in the picture here is an ArmaLite AR-18, which was made to be a cheaper alternative to the M16. And because it was first made during 1963, it would have actually been period correct if it was featured in the later missions. Period correct, but not accurate though, as it was never adopted by any armed forces.
Interestingly enough, the Japanese Self-Defense Forces made the Type 89, which is a clone of the AR-18.
@@lexbrightraven8049 Yeah, you make a good point. Didn't think of that actually.
@@AeonPhoenix dozens of countries clones it. The most radical, yet clear copy, is the brit L85. Rather than just refining the mechanism, like the G36 or CETME Model L, it straight up is a bullpup copy, all the way down to the construction methods.
@@AeonPhoenixA LOT of guns were based off the AR-18 design. It’s often called the “most successful failure in small arms” because while the gun itself didn’t sell very well due to US foreign policy giving away a lot of free M16s to third world allies, cutting into the potential market for the AR-18, the short stroke gas piston design was widely copied for guns like the G36, F2000, and L85. Chances are, if a modern gun isn’t an AR-15 or AK derivative, it’s an AR-18 derivative.
@gameragodzilla yeah the l85 was a terrible bullpup copy of the AR 18
The 45 round 'extended mag' for the AK in game is actually just a 30rd 5.45 magazine instead of the 7.62 its supposed to be. So a completely different ammo conversion when you get the extra 15 rounds.
Interesting thing is that the AKs 74u also gets a 45 round 5.45 magazine with the extended mags attachment, which is actually possible in reality
*Garand ping*
How in the world, with all the weapons available to them during the Vietnam War/Cold War, the team managed to say "Hey, what if we put the very rare WA2000 in the hands of Viet Cong and put not one but TWO HK G11 complete with the needed ammunition rack in a soviet bunker? That would fit, right?"
I can get having them as multiplayer rifles, kinda, since it's never supposed to be realistic and/or historically accurate anyway, but god damn this is really the thing that makes me scratch my head.
Other than that, superb work, nicely done and I love how you suggest other changes for what weapons and/or vehicles could have been used
Well, I hope there will be a realistic mod for BO1. We really love to see it.
A remake with more realistic... everything. Oooooooo yes please
I doubt anyone is gonna bother given how old this game is and most modding efforts for cod are for zombies. Plus with the amount of errors you may as well make an entirely new game than rehash a 15 year old one
@@everythingsalright1121Frosty has already covered a mod like this for World At War which is an even older game so it seems likely that a mod will be made to correct this game.
I agree with you. Because in the early 1960s, every US servicemen were still equipped with WW2 era weapons such as Tommy gun, M3 Grease gun and M1 Garand. Also, you won't get any reflex sights and holographic sights throughout the Cold War.
@@dfgerherbduh3102Only difference is thats, Black ops 1 is way larger than WaW thus it would take more time comparison to WaW mods
17:30 the m1911 has a last round hold open. The magazine, when the last round has been shot, pushes the slide catch up so the slide locks back on an empty mag.
Yea I dont understand why he had that as an "inaccuracy"
@@TheMusicftw1 he also completely misrepresented order 227 in the vanguard video so he clearly doesn't research enough
yeah i saw that and was extremely confused, this is basically how almost all autoloaders work
Timestamp doesn't even point to a 1911.
He meant 17:03.
This must have taken a REALLY long time to make. Unbelievable effort put into this!
i still remember the day i played the entire BO1 campaign a couple days after release. I still remember 90% of the missions. What a brilliant, brilliant game! such a shame that cod is moving in a terrible direction currently :/
I hate to say it, but the community is to blame for the problems and direction of the game franchise.
After Black Ops 2 thats when the Call of Duty franchise went down hill...
As a 24yold french man, Black Ops was the first +18 rated game (equivalent to M rated) that I owned. It was the first game truly grounded in reality that I ever played, appart from the Halo, Fable & Nintendo games that I played at the same time.
I am now an History and military/warfare enthusiast in all pieces of media with a strong appreciation for historical accuracy and history preservation, and I can tell that Black Ops really left me with a incorrect vision of what the Cold War was like. There a many misrepresentations that remains grounded in my mind about that time period and left me believing that Cold War was a grimier, early version of 80s-90s warfare, instead of the "WW2 enhanced and polished" style from the 50s-60s and early 70s that I adore.
I do not believe that the team that Treyarch has put many effort into representing the era. Based on how I personally remember the game when I was 10 and how it is portrayed in this video, it feels like the "Discovery Channel" version of Cold War.
I do not believe that Call of Duty being an arcade accessible shooter, previously focused on WW2 then modern era warfare, shifting its era for a single episode (at the time) during the Cold War is an excuse for such a poor representation of the major events that the USA got involved into during the period. A game does not need to be realistic nor a simulation to simply be accurate in its depiction of a real life event, and I do not believe a gameplay excuse works either, nor the excuse of an "alt history" or a "side fictive history" that took part during the events. Those major real life events are named, portrayed and lived in the game and as such, should be, my in opinion, granted with more efforts for a accurate representation, even if romanced. By taking my single example, such inaccuracies made me to grow up with a wrong image of that period and caused me many misbeliefs that I had to work hard to forget about.
And even with that, I am an History enthusiast, so I will eventually get rid of it since I take interest in the matter. But many people of my age that doesn't necessary care about it would not understand how wrong the game portrays the era and live their life with inaccuracies about those important part of history. It might seem like a minor inconvenience, but I believe that It takes part at building up generations of uncultured people.
My take on the inaccuracies is a mixture of "well this is special ops, so they had these things earlier than they actually said" and "Mason was brainwashed, so the things he's seeing weren't really there"
Though it's probably just lazy research when in development. Great vid!
That makes a lot more sense actually, since we saw saw the effect the brainwashing had on him in the actual 1980s
Exactly. COD has always been childish "make believe" in campaigns lol
How that work with all the item from the 80s and 2000s
Also, apart from the Afghanka cut uniform being anachronistically used by the soviet faction, the camouflage pattern printed on it - generally referred to as 'flora', VSR-98 or 'arbuz' (meaning watermelon) - was only accepted into service in 1998!
I think the Cuban Tropas' camo you said was supposed to represent their grey lizard pattern, also was just Russian flora.
Frosty really improved since the Vanguard video, I can feel your passion and frustration growing after each new video!
43:09 Fun fact, for some weird reason, they used COD2 Mosin Nagant animations instead of World At War. Hence the strange incompatibility between the reload animations. And they used the strange COD4 scope overlay as well... really bad choices if you ask me.
I love how you provide pictures of the accurate guns and equipment! Black ops1 and waw are my childhood though and are the reason I love learning about wwII and Vietnam!
35:36 Quick note, the weapon that appeared in the image is a XM177E1 instead of XM177E2, noticeable by the slightly shorter 10" barrel instead of 11.5" barrel and other small details.
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Jeez I'm a gun nerd but DAMN
@VinDoyNew Same here, Knew a guy once who carried the M16A1 then worked with special ops via private security. CAR-15 in this game should look like the original A1 not a modern day M4A1
I didn't ask for insults. Get the fuck out of here@@Ballnuthandle44
Activion Blizzard should hire you as a historical professor for their "very historical accurate" Call of Duty games
If like, we ever get one of those again 😐
@@nealang9520 If they're also willing to create a good game at all.
I remember when Nicki Minaj bravely fought the cartel
I don’t know why quotation marks surround “very historical accurate”. I don’t believe anyone of importance ever claimed CoD games were historically accurate prior to Vanguard.
The gas masks being worn at 24:44 are actually French A.N.P. M51/53s with Soviet GP5 filters.The m51/53 is a upgraded version of the M51 gas mask.The upgrades being exhale valve and exhale valve cover changes but overall the M51 and M51/53 masks face piece remains identical to each other.
that's awesome that you know that! how do you know this much about gas masks? do you work with gas masks?
@@jonsewell7330 Kind of lol. I'm just a Passionate militaria collector and History Buff so that's how I know.
@@TheBorderlandsman88this guy made so many mistakes… ar18????
Homie is finding inaccuracies with the species of crow shown in vietnam. This is the sheer research tenacity i subbed for
I'm so glad you brought up the chemical weapons thing. I had two uncles who served in Vietnam and both died decades after the war had ended due to exposure to these weapons.
This has always been my favorite COD game, the story is very unique compared to other COD games
It's really cool to see that even though Treayarch had to constantly reuse assets and butcher many fine details from the development rush, they made a darn fine game in spite of it.
Borning Teacher: OK Class We are going to learn about the Industrial Revolution with are books 📚
Cool Teacher: OK Class today we are going to learn the cold war with the help of Call of Duty Black Ops and Watching Frosty 1 on his videos about how accuracy and unaccuray of the game ❤
After that we are going see the inaccuracies in the video game Frostpunk. I sure hope the city survives.
18:15 Something you missed here. Those jets would NOT be flying THAT LOW!
Imagine Treyarch sees this and implements all of these into a Remaster
My guy out here historically critiquing everything right down to the geographical plausibility of crows - much respect!
As to your point on the 1911, the 1911 has a last round hold open and you can chamber a new round by dropping the slide release.
Yeah, should've gotten a gun nut to verify that point 😭
we never know the full game until we search every single bit of detail that was either missed or discovered. well played frosty
That wall at 37:41 gets worse as after doing a small easter egg you can get a Thundergun from zombies
3:20
Hey, im a Cuban
The symbol on their arms and berets are actually the Roundel of the Cuban air force.
Which is strange, because the police and milicianos have their own logos.
You never fail to deliver man. As a war history buff, I approve.
I'd hazard a guess the orginal BO was supposed to be a more down to earth 80s Bond-esque secret agent game. It would explain alot of choices for weapons and uniforms, along with the whole vibe of the main three villians.
or to instill the fact: america best, russia worst
@@gucciflipflopbleepthe saddest thing is, Titanfall devs created mw1 and mw2 and wanted to steer clear from that, as it's obvious Shepherd was introduced as far more threatening then Makarov. But the whole team got fired and we got Sledgehammer's Mw3 at 2011... darn shame.
2:53 the comment about the acog sights is mostly correct, with the exception of the Colt 3x20 scope, since it was made in 1962 (still anachronistic for "Operation 40") all the other low zoom optics, like the PK-A, Swarovski and SUSAT were indeed period inappropriate.
The optic on the M16 also does look like a Colt 3x, but strangely attached like an ACOG would, replacing the carry handle entirely instead of being mounted on top
@@TacticalBaguette Yeah that is weird. Also, I wonder if the Colt python scope was anachronistic to the setting? I know that the Colt python isn't, but I couldn't find any information on when the Colt python scope was made.
2:45 that actually sounds so cool
11:40 that diagram your editor friend drew is simply incredible, and should be in museums
You accuracy checking the excavator model in Vorkuta is honestly astounding
16:55 This is the last round hold-open present on most modern semi-automatic pistols. He closes the slide by using his thumb to actuate the slide release on the left side of the pistol.
@lordfinesse2806 Yeah, I'm surprised that someone who cares so much about highlighting the inaccuracy of these games would get something so basic wrong. There are plenty of videos out there of people using 1911s to know that the way it was handled in the game was not an "inaccuracy."
I think it might have been more of the case that the guy didn't think the 1911 had last round hold open.
"babe, wake up, The Frosty 1 uploaded"
I live in the Urals and when played this game first time, i was shocked seeing Yamantau depicted as some Alpian 4000+ meters mountain, while it looks more like a really big hill IRL. Moreover, avalanches in Southern Urals, in which Yamantau is, are practically impossible to form.
I think some treyarch guys looked for russian mountains and gone through some russian conspiralogical sites: Yamantau is actually two mountains - Big and Small Yamantaus. The Big one cannot be accessed by civilians but only military and geologists, and in 2000's there was a popular opinion, that the mountain is the government bunker for President in case of nuclear war. However, it's like that because near it situated an enclosed city Mezhgorye, and tourists still can visit Small Yamantau without permission.
2:48 So...thing is, the 'ACOG' scope model in Black Ops 1 *is* based on the Colt 4x20 scope. It does actually somewhat fit the era and the part - what's incorrect, and I'm sure this is to make it understandable to gamer types, is calling the thing an ACOG (and y'know the fact that gets put on a flattop rail system with a majority of weapons which, sure rails have existed for a while at that point, but not exactly in the modern MIL-STD-1913 fashion). The exception is that the "ACOG" for Russian guns uses a different model. What it is exactly I don't know, but I don't think it's a frankenstein'd Colt scope; really it should be the PSO-1 since that is also ~4x magnification.
Also, the red dot model in BO1 is apparently based upon the Elbit Falcon. Doesn't change the time-warping, but neat detail.
The theory that the game was to be set originally in the 1980 just makes so much sense if you think about it. Weird that i never heard someone talk about that before. It seems so obvious now
BO1 on the DS has more historically accurate weapons despite some guns arent really present at the time it takes place. Overall BO1 made Cold War small arms interesting and crazy. Crazy as in the SPIW project is the closest we can have to a IRL COD MP loadout
22:44 Btw. PM-63 (also called RAK) has an empty-shot blocker. In short when You emptied the magazine, receiver won't go forward like most open-bolt weapons even when You try to pull the trigger multiple times - empty magazine will lock receiver in rear position.
There should be a BO1 mod that fixes the historical inaccuracies and the anachronistic weapons in the game, like the Fall of Berlin mod for World at War. It would be interesting to see what the gameplay of Black Ops would look like if it’s historically accurate
It wouldn't be that odd for Green Berets to know Vietnamese as All Green Berets ( MOS 18x) are required to learn and be proficient in a foreign language as close work with locals is a big part of the 18x missions. Everyone in SOG picked up some Vietnamese and knew some other languages like Bru or Montauard to various degrees. But yeah they should have gotten real Vietnamese in there.
The unit “MACVSOG” that woods is from did not actually use camo unless kicking around in base. There were very rare instances of it being used by sog in actual missions but they really used standard jungle fatigues
SOG guys were allowed to wear, carry, and modify pretty much whatever the fuck they wanted and could get their hands on, also they utilized sterilized equipment, not unlikely at all some SOG guys wore locally tailored Tiger, French Paratrooper, or Frog Skin cammies out in the field, occasionally point men would even dress as NVA
@@beserkerpatroit1337 However according to multiple SOG members in interviews and books they were rarely taken out, locally made stuff was absolutely crap and fell apart in a matter of hours and there wasn't much American made stuff that was any good. (don't get me started on the mess that was tigerstripe) th-cam.com/video/LzCTveIX_zY/w-d-xo.html here John Stryker Meyer describes how bad they were (he says how SOME teams wore it but not many), later in the war I don't doubt they wore ERDL however they mostly wore modified jungles. The closest to camo with those were sprayed or dyed black fatigues. You're running off misconceptions friend.
@@beserkerpatroit1337 SOG operatives were specifically told to go "over the fence" fully sterile. By a wide margin, their uniform of choice were 2nd/3rd Jungle fatigues in OD green, sometimes crisscrossed with black aviation paint. It wasn't until the official invasion of Laos and Cambodia in 1970 that they began to use canouflage patterns like ERDL or Tiger Stripes. In 1968, all of them wore nondescriot jungle fatigues. The "Special Forces wear whatever they want" trope is as common as it's a myth. And even after 1970, whenever there was a need for deniability, they reverted back to green fatigues, as portrayed in the 1971 Son Tay raid.
I think it should be noted that along with the M1967 web gear worn by American soldiers, there is also a lot of ALICE gear mixed in, which was not issued until the mid to late 1970s. Also, their uniform shirts have shoulder pockets, which were also absent from jungle fatigues. Nitpicky as well, but USMC troops in Vietnam did not have cat eye bands on their helmet, they used what’s commonly referred to as a tire tube.
This is an absolute treat to divulge into and the amount of effort gone into this cannot be overstated. it's simply incredible stuff
also cherry on top, i had doubts about the nationality until i heard "absolute eejit" and thought "yep that's purebred Irish"
1:24 is an AR-18 or an AR-180. Cousin to the AR-15. You can tell by the rear sight block and handguard.
17:41 Not to mention the Elbit Falcon red dot sight. Is obviously anachronistic. A Singlepoint OEG would be appropriate but obviously unusable given the monocular perspective of video games.
I’m taking four history college courses at the time this video went up and I’ve learned SIGNIFICANTLY more from this video about the Cold War than all four of my classes combined.
I swear any historical action games always have these kinds of "this game taught me more about history than my history class" comments made about them.
Like yea they're neat and entertaining, but realistically, in what context will knowledge of stuff like "what uniforms did the North Vietnamese Army use during the 1960s" actually be of any use outside of some niche military history applications or videos like this?
@@CoolAndrew89 pretty much. Most history courses focus on thingd like events, ideologies and whatnot. Sure weapons might have some relevance if they significantly affected the events being covered in a course but for the most part university course arent meant to talk about how cool a gun was or what every detail of a uniform is
@@CoolAndrew89 The school system just sucks at telling people history, on purpose too.
Sure it did bud
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778Mostly big imperialist nations like Russia, China or America do these things. You wouldn't see biased history from an Austrian school, for example.
I think there's a lot to digest about the inaccuracies in this game.
1. A lot of the inaccuracies are likely the result of major time constraints in development
2. A lot of the anachronistic uniforms and weapons are likely the result of a combination of trying to use equipment thats "iconic" or the result of the studio just having assets already lying around to use.
I think what both this game and World at War does well is uses what may be inaccurate models and equipment to find a way to still immerse the player in the setting and themes of the game.
One thing, the Steyr Aug is an Austrian weapon, which is used by both Austria and Australia just one thing I noticed at 54:50ish
I like to imagine that when Australian military was deciding on the next service rifle back in the day, they had so many equally good options that they only chose AUG because its from a country with similar name
Also, with the master-key shotgun, you never actually pull the trigger, it just fires on its own lol