Every Historical Inaccuracy in Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2023
- In this video, we analyze and list every historical inaccuracy that I was able to find in Call Of Duty Black Ops Cold War. There are likely more inaccuracies than what I mentioned in the video so please comment if you have any more.
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Corrections:
- 3:37 This is actually an Antonov AN 22, however the game still refers to it as a C-130 and we even see the US using it later as a gunship in Cuba, so it's still inaccurate.
- 8:09 The Viet Cong were supplied with WW2 weapons from the Soviets during WW2, however I was not able to find any evidence of the MG 42 in particular being used in Vietnam so it still could technically be an inaccuracy but just not as severely inaccurate as I made it out to be in the video.
- 15:00 Although it was formally replaced by the AK 74 in 1977, the AKM was still largely used by Soviet forces in the 1980s.
If you have any more inaccuracies, facts or corrections to add then please do leave them in the comments.
Thank you!
The AK-5 is actually a FNC Fabric international carbine
It’s also called AK-5 your right tho
Didn't ask. It's a fictional game. You might as well do a historical inaccuracies video on the upcoming Harry Potter game set in the 1800s or something
The plane in turkey is absolutely nothing like a c130, I should know because I work on them. What they probably were going for was most likely an An-22 or An-225. The An-225 is the most likely but both size and number of engines would be incorrect.
WW2 weapons were used in Vietnam , from mg42s to STG44 and even prototype MKB42s so the mg42 is not a sim
"How has WWIII not started yet?"
- Everybody every single day during the actual very real Cold War
We in one right now peeps just in denial
So true my friend.
Yeah just let it start already, we should be close to it by now.
Me when the when the me when when the War is Cold
@@J03_M4m4me looking at the fridge for the last time in my life before shooting it (the cold war has gone hot)
I would just like to take a moment to appreciate the fact that in this rendition of "Call of Duty: War Crimes Simulator", you aptly named your character "War Crimes"
I'm glad you noticed XD
Call of duty cold warcrime
To be fair, that is almost every COD
@@i.d.9754 The more I think about it, every CoD single-player mode is pretty stupid. One guy replied to me with saying CoD is a DECONSTRUCTION of war-based video games. I didn't fully believe him, but that might explain why they don't feel FUN to play or make any story sense.
@@louisduarte8763 every? That’s a bit of a stretch lmao
The MG-42 isn’t too crazy being used by the VC. The biggest crime of this game is changing the voice actors of Wood, Mason and Hudson!
The USSR supplied many captured german weapons as aid to Vietnam
The worst part of the voice actor swap is that they didn't even try to get them back
Sam was busy. James got into shit for providing va for a fan game. Ed and Michael too expensive probably
@@calebbarnhouse496Sam worthington was probably busy with filmwork, but they didn’t even try to get James C burns back
@@onejediboi they didn't bother for either of them, sure maybe he was to busy, but even then schedule conflicts is a reason, not asking isn't
8:08 I like to think that the inaccuracies are there because since all of this is in Bells head, Adler sometimes messes up the details when describing it to Bell
Either that or Adler just spouts out nonsense. That's one of the main criticisms I have for this video.
That's probably exactly what it is, which I thought was kind of obvious.
I like to think the whole Vietnam segment was just mixed details, like the helicopter being twin engined
This but I would leave the helicopter innacurracy one in it because that just don't make sense, bc neither Bell or Adler would have seen one
8:12 I do have to correct something here. The Vietnamese forces used an wide variety of axis and ww2 weaponry, everything from Kar98ks to Mas 36s, and c96 pistols. Even arisaka type 99s were used. A lot those weapons were supplied by soviets or just found or taken off enemy soldiers in previous conflicts. It is not farfetched to think they might have had an mg42 machine gun either
Indeed you are correct, however, I was not able to find any evidence of the MG 42 in particular being used in Vietnam. The closest thing I could find being used were a few scarce MG-34s, but no MG-42s.
@@TheFrosty_1 you may be right, I need to look more into it than I have. I can’t find it now but I could’ve sworn I saw a picture about a year ago of US soldiers in Vietnam with two captured LMGs one being an rpd and the other being a mg42. I’ll send the photo to you if I ever find it.
@@TheFrosty_1 also i think you should have pointed out the M16A1 which was used in vietnam was Full auto and Semi. not burst like in the game
@@luanfonseca5179 The M16A1 is full auto in the flashbacks.
@@luanfonseca5179 You've mistaken the m16a2 with the m16a1
Here’s a cool fact, in the KGB building, the prison was not in the basement. It was actually located on the second floor with no windows so prisoners would think they were in the basement. Great video man!
Thanks! This is so very interesting information
Dude wat I have some questions why go through all that trouble and how did they get them upstairs without them feeling it
@@dishon5924 I'm no expert and I'm going into this with no research but I think this is probably accurate idk
1. Probably so if they try to escape they get their location wrong and try to go upstairs? 2. Knocked em out or something
@@Olaris_Entira ahh that seems probable
How do you get someone up to the second floor without them knowing they've gone up?
I feel like we can take away the fracture jaw inaccuracies cause that mission is essentially a dream
Yeah that's just what a Russian thinks Vietnam was like, understandable bell would be a bit fuzzy on what month particular songs came out.
The reason why the Cuba level is so weird is because it was originally going to be set in Nicaragua, and your allies would be the Contras who would help you to assault the compound and clean up after you, but I guess they were too politically correct about having raping, mass execution and drug dealing rebels in their game.
Or admitting CIA involvement.
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@@akosbarati2239 Yeah, know your history, but also not.
I heard through the grapevine too that if you through the gamefiles off the Cuba level you can see the soldiers be referred to as Nica_soldier.1 and Contra_line1 and so forth.
Hell, the campaign was supposedly going to be much different spanning years instead off a few weeks.
imagine your brain rotting so much you think cod is woke 🤣
@@pepijn23that would’ve been a campaign I would’ve played the hell out of tbh.
8:13 An MG-42 being used by the Vietcong is actually extremely accurate and there is a lot of research and photos that back this up. A lot of old East German and soviet captured surplus were given to the NLF as war support. You’ll often see MP-40s being used by VC elements as well. You prolly won’t read this so I guess it doesn’t matter but yea.
Yeah, when most people who think of the Vietnam war, they think of VC with AK47s, RPGs and Dragunovs, when really the vast majority of VC equipment was MP-40s, K98Ks, Maxim MGs and Mosin Nagants and PPSH-41s. Even old French weapons like the MAT-49 and MAS-49s from when they kicked the French out, sure they did have some fairly modern Russian weaponry, but it was mostly old surplus or captured enemy weaponry from years prior, I'm glad other people know about this fact instead of thinking like the rest
And French used MG42, 34 against Viet Minh in first Indochina War 1946-1954. Actually the MG34 more common in Viet Minh later Vietcong due to the Communist China give us. Why PRC give us MG34 and some German weapons? Because in the mid 1930’s the Nationalist of China was co-operate with German Nazi (or co-op with Mauser and Zündapp) for weapons and uniforms so they produce Zhongzheng/Jiang Jieshi Rifle, C96 and buy alot of mg34 and MG42, so after PCR take over in 1949 they gave us some of them included mp40... Also the Japanese after leaving Vietnam left alot of German firearms and their ripped off.
@@azurehorizon6097 usually the old weapons are given for VC Guerrilla most of modern Soviet and China weapons had been given to Northern Vietnamese Army.
@@redson8441 In most cases that is true, however since VC and NVA did mingle more often in the last couple years of the war, VC would have eventually got their hands on some of the more modern stuff, though surplus Russian and Chinese weaponry and equipment would've made up most of the VC arsenal for the majority of the war, NVA would still have much better training than the common VC
Glad someone else mentioned this. You can basically find MG42s, MP40s, STG 44s and Kar 98ks in every conflict around the world. If the gun shoots it’ll probably pop up somehow.
Fun fact: Black ops 1 got me into psychology, politics, sociology and (military) history. I legitimately thought of a subtle way to reference it in my graduation speech from college.
Can we hear it?
I too, would like to hear it. Please indulge us in your graduation speech (or only the part that has the reference in it, whichever you feel easier and more comfortable to do).
You can't just leave us on a cliffhanger like that, you gotta tell us or show us 😂 That's amazing dude
3 months later and im piqued
I’d bet you just ended it with a ponderous “The Numbers, what *do* they mean”
18:30 That technically should not count as a historical inaccuracy, should be more like a glitch or a weapon placement bug which has nothing to do with historical accuracy.
Even so, it would be a security risk in real life even if it wasn't intentional to happen in the game
@@sauceyvirg1n910 it's a bug
For the inaccuracy at 11:38, I believe it's meant to be hinting that Bell can understand Russian even if you didn't select Ex-KGB as their backstory, foreshadowing the big twist of the game. As for why WW3 didn't break out after the firefight at the KGB headquarters (and any of the other things that should spark WW3), idk maybe because Perseus (the group) went rogue, the KGB couldn't be sure who did it? I'm probably putting more thought into that one than the devs did.
If I had to guess, the guy(s) who wrote the story probably envisioned it as a mandatory stealth segment, where the first half is carefully maintaining the agent's cover, and the second half a something with more focus on stealth where it would be theoretically possible to get out without a major alarm. Then the gameplay guys took that, said "OK," and made a mandatory gunfight right after the pointless elevator scene because it would be more fun.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention that the first mission takes place on January 12, 1981, eight days before Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as President, and yet the game shows him ordering the mission. Before January 20, Jimmy Carter would be the only person with the authority to order a mission like that.
Nah I feel like the cutscene happened a couple of days after Regan was inaugurate.
@@andrebattiste3305 basically to inform him and fill him in on the situation?
No he can order the mission just as I can as A US civilian. Cause I was born with Presidential Authority and am y'all and Everyone in this Planets Commandant Commander 6 Star General Especially made just for Me Mr.Bossman Gangsta OG Sir Lord King Prince 6 Star General Commandant King Lord Sir Prince Boss Jefe Commandant Commander Of All Things of The Planet all I gotta do it think it and it happens so chyeahhhhhhhhhh
I guess they didn't wanna drag Jimmy Carter any more than the real world already has?
Reagan has been reported to have had shady relations with the terrorists of the hostage crisis
The computer at 11:40 isn't in English but in Russian. We see/hear it in English because Bell was a soviet soldier before he was rescued by Adler and Woods and the reason Woods understands what bell is seeing/hearing is because Bell is translating it for him
It's a similar thing to why movies set in foreign countries still have the characters speak in English. It's implied they are speaking in their native language but it's translated for convenience of the audience
The accent is in English, instead of Russian like the other characters though.
@@aidandai8550 the accent was probably brainwashed out of him (idk if thats possible but its COD so probably)
Well that makes sense
This would make sense however woods reacts when the computer says operation greenlight
The way you even cares about the drink price is outstanding!
Keep up like this, Frost!
Thanks, will do!
@@TheFrosty_1 Hey friend, what can you tell me about the team that Adler wears? Is it anachronistic or not?
I like the idea of the game's characters thinking Perseus is a huge threat and chasing him across the world only to find him as a feeble old man in a wheelchair
Its so bizarre how there are incredibly accurate details nobody would notice if they were missing, but at the same time there are non-gameplay related inaccuracies that could have easily been avoided by changing a date or a single NPC.
My guess is that they focused on "hidden details" a little bit way too much
for some of them it's definitely just because of the extremely rushed development this game had, which also had to be done from home due to Covid
@@osedebame3522 Treyarch was dealt such a bad hand with Cold War. The deserved better...
If I were to guess, i’d say the separate teams of 3D Modellers and coders had no superimposed standard for realism, and so each team kind of just did what felt right and if it worked in the game the publisher probably didn’t care.
@@osedebame3522 I don’t think so, it was the same with Black Ops 1’s inaccuracies, many of the inaccuracies also consisted of weapons existing during time periods they didn’t exist yet or events happening on dates that are wrong
As someone who got into history thanks to games like World at War and Black Ops, these videos are always a treat. Love the analysis here, much love.
Thanks! This series was also what got me into history too.
Same here too buddy
MIDNIGHT NO WAY DID I RUN INTO YOU HERE YOOOOOOO
@@aethericruby Ayyy Ruby! Small world :D
@@MidnightPlus1 ^w^
19:29 That is not a Lada, it's a GAZ-24 Volga. It's well known for being used by the KGB
Frosty, love your vids but here is a couple corrections: The Minigun in fracture jaw does NOT have explosive ammo. For some reason the Vietcong had explosive barrels on their roofs, causing them to explode. As well as the fact that in the duga mission 23:45 , you radio perseus and his men to set up an ambush, therefore, they all hid to get ready for the ambush (sorry if anything comes off as mean i am sorry i did not intend it that way, its just how i type)
I figured it was referencing Francis Gary Powers, but yes a U2 was shot down during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962
@@kylebrady969hank you for telling me, I edited it for Francis Gary Powers. I am sorry for spreading misinformation.
bullets exploding barrels doesn't happen in real life though, so i think it still counts.
Same here, For the most part he's on point
About last part, if you don't call Perseus for ambush the base is still empty and you also get killed
I think the reason the Russian terminals are in English are actually in Russian, but are translated into English for the players. Bell understands and speaks Russian, so it makes sense that it’d be translated into the player’s localization anyway
Also wasn't the text in Russian for a brief moment before being translated into English? I feel like that was in the game
@@qurimpv3 yeah but that's just to clarify that it's written in russian. It's kinda like when a character says something in japanese in cyberpunk and the subtitles glitch out and turn into the english translation.
@@maksuzbrojony8221 but could just be our character translating the words
@@qurimpv3 yeah but you have a neco arc pfp
@@maksuzbrojony8221 burunyuu
I mean for the Vietnam mission, it was false memory in our character’s head so that part should be forgiven, jokes aside though great video man, very thoroughly explained and I definitely learnt something new
Indeed, Thank you! :>
@@TheFrosty_1 Would be great to see you commentating BO2 as well, the historical events in that game are quite intriguing
It was less of a dream and more of Bell being added to an actual event Adler and Sims went through, so was the file they picked up along the way
@@michaeltaylor815 It was real for Adler, he was just retelling his story for bell.
I don't think Activision intended to do that.
The fact that the developers made the VC’s AKs look like Type 56s in the Vietnam mission I thought was super cool, but also the fact that there are AKS-74Us being used by the VC in 1968 in that mission speaks to a level of both Historical Accuracy and Inaccuracy that borders on schizophrenic
You know that mission was just a dream created by adler?
Even with the historical flaws, I still think this campaign is among the best in the series. Great video!
Agreed, the campaign really hooked me
Wait until you play one of the good ones, it'll blow your socks off
Currently replaying I am on desperate measures
this one is nothing compared to the older ones. BO 1&2, the original Modern Warfares, WAW were all much better
@@captainjacksparrowthehedge8186what play the Campaign and then say this.What do you mean it's nothing compared to BO1 and BO2?
Does Black Ops 1 have choices and player replayability ?
Any Mission that isn't a Shooting Gallery?
This Campaign is alongside BO1 and BO2 only problem is it's very short
Fun fact. Caches of ww2 weapons were found in Vietnam, gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan. It wasn't rare but wasn't uncommon for the viet cong found to be using mg42 and 34s from the soviet union as the firearm production facility was located in czechoslovakia and was seized by the soviet union and sent to Vietnam
My thoughts exactly.
Yea, learned about it from mark Felton, the mg34 in the mission was a little nod to actual history
@@patrickcallaghan743 a man of culture I see 😎
@@patrickcallaghan743 Just gettin' a stroke because... Same
@@chrisjanicki4031 Hardly. Mark Felton isn't a real historian. He's just some asshole who reads wikipedia articles and caches checks from TH-cam ad revenue. He has also on several occasions been caught just making shit up. He's like the Bill Nye of Historians. An unearned honorary degree and title, but popular anyways because of a catchy presentation method.
Even with 2 endings still less inaccuracies than vanguard 💀
Nothing will beat the mess that was Vanguard
Treyarch can be as inaccurate as they can they will never beat sledgehammer
Both games equally suck!!!!
@@Bluesjet1234 that's... Not true... Atleast cold war had an ok zombies mode with a decent campaign and a shit multiplayer until it's lifecycle was over😂 vanguard was just shit all around and hasn't gotten better with time so far
@@justsomedude1138 tbh All three modes were amazing in my opinion, I honestly think its better than MW19/MW22
6:08 probably the largest historical accuracy in the entire game
inaccuracy*
ohhh i see what you did there
It’s infected all of our entertainment
I will add that later on, as they added DLC's they continued the campaigns story, theres a cutscene where they confirm Perseus is LONG DEAD and the truth is that Perseus is the ideal/movement/group, so that part actually isn't so inaccurate with that context.
That’s confirmed in the base game in the Soviet ending
One minor correction, the reason why some things are in English instead of Russian, German, etc. is because Bell is bilingual. Adler even says that's why he's/she's/or whatever's on the team
Bullshit. If you're bilingual, words don't magically turn into another language.
@Tomboy Respecter Well yeah but it's meant to be a visual thing so that the player can understand the words
The part regarding the MG42 does actually have some accuracy to it. As the Soviets were supplying the Viet Cong, they would quite often receive shipments of WW2-era weapons. There are a few photos of weapons such as MP40’s and STG44’s in the hands of the Viet Cong and US troops fielding like-captured equipment. As for the topic of the MG42 specifically, I am not entirely sure. It’s not entirely impossible.
True, but there is no evidence that MG-42 was used in Vietnam. The closest thing I and Frosty himself had found, were a couple MG-34's.
@@Ozzydoge Being a Vietnamese armorer, i can tell you MG-42 was use in the Vietnam War, We even have Hotchkiss Mg use as late as 1980~ against the Chinese in Lang son.
@@spookyengie735 my bad
I nearly winded myself laughing when I saw you named Bell War Crimes 🤣🤣
Another issue with the takedown, Makarovs have a holster you push down on rather then pull up to draw.
One thing that bothered me in Cold War. The M16A1’s have 30 rounds in them, the standard capacity magazines at the time were 20, 30’s were really only more widely used in the later years of the war but were finicky at best
I would thing that MACV SOG would have the bigger magazines on hand easier than other soldiers due to being elite units and all. But I might be wrong.
@@emberfist8347
They experimented with spot-welded 40-round mags among other feats of redneck engineering. 30-round mags were issued in 1972. The reason STANAG magazines are finicky is due to the sidewalls becoming slightly dented and causing the follower to drag on the way up.
It's why PMAGs are popular.
yep big mags were a thing but not used extensively, and even they usually removed 2 because of the malfunctions they caused with the M16A1
I noticed that too and the magazines shown on the weapon models are the 20 round magazines. If I remember right the original Black Ops did the same thing.
The reason why is for game balance. 20 bullets in a mag felt too short for people to enjoy. You have reload every so often. I do agree but only for certain guns I wish had a 30 round mag instead 20 like the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle). Since this is a game, I prefer weapons to have 30 round mag as standard. It’s the feeling. Even if I were a real soldier, I hate reloading frequently due to low ammo capacity per mag. I only got 1 life. In a video game, you’d die often due to the amount of times you’ve to reload when using a 20 round mag gun. Realistically, most ARs are used semi-auto. Not full auto for many realistic reasons. Sad to see many gamers think full auto is standard for military when it’s not from a realistic standpoint.
This happened to Day of Infamy (Steam Game). When you play as US, I noticed the Thompson originally had the 20 round mag but many players complained so the devs changed it to a 30 round mag as standard in-game.
One thing of note is that during the Vietnam war. Many surplus weapons from WW2 were used. Including the Kar98ks and the Mosin Nagant.
yooo it's the everything wrong with video game weapons guy! wassup
The Mosin doesn't count, it just always appears in the hands of millitants of any war, esspecially if the conflict is related in any way to Russians
11:29 It is not entirely incorrect for a soviet to have a 1911 as they had a surplus of them after WWII however it is highly unlikely
Is it? I mean, the USSR received a LOT in Allied aid. I suppose that pistols, of all things, would be something the most unaccounted for. Especially if they tried copying them early-on, before replacing the TT-33 with the Makarov. If anything, East Germany would've used them just to blend-in with West German elements.
@@user-cr4jk5rp3j In the 80s the 1911s were poorly maintained and most had been thrown away in favor of the makarov or TT-33 as those were still being produced. But I’m not a soviet soldier from the 80s so what do I know.
In the 1980s, most Soviet troops had Makarov PMs as their sidearms. No way they would use M1911s even if it's available for them
I'm surprised you never brought up the T-72, which has over 30 issues in itself. Some more blatant ones being the exhaust being on the wrong side, the IR spotlight just being a regular lamp, the gun missing its distinctive red primer, the ERA being anachronistic and also being placed above handles which would not have been equipped at the same time, the roof MG which is just completely wrong, and the crew for some reason having a bunch of extra magazines strapped to them and their uniforms just being wrong in basically every way. It's worse than the Vanguard Stuka, especially so considering how well documented different T-72 models are.
19:30 just a minor thing - the car is not Lada, it’s Gaz-24, which was produced from 1968 until 1986
Thank you for the correction
@@TheFrosty_1 thank you for a thorough and interesting video!
@@TheFrosty_1 one small correction, the MG42 was used by the NVA during the Vietnam war, as it was supplied to them by the Soviets who had them from ww2
In fact many of the weapons the NVA used was old ww2 weapons such as the MP40, Kar98k, Japanese Arisaka rifle's, American Thompson smg, PPSh41, Mosin Nagant, M1 Garand, Walther p38, Type 99 and many other ww2 weapons from Germany, Russia, Japan and even American ww2 weapons.
to be exact its a kgb modification of regular 24 - a gaz-24-24.
25:25 I believe the grenade launcher is actually the hawk mm1 grenade launcher (this gun also made an appearance in Black Ops 2) which was produced during the 1970s, and did see full production, so I think that it shouldn't count as a sin
Thank you for pointing this out to me, I did not know they remade this weapon in the 1970s. However it's appearance is still a bit far-fetched since the hawk mm1 was made in very limited amounts and although it was thought to have been adopted briefly by the US Special Forces it is unclear if they ever used the weapon in combat.
@@TheFrosty_1 more likely it's a small callback to black ops 2 which also featured this weapon in the campaign
In regards to the 7 years wait to get a car, Regan actually made a joke about it.
16:48 rip Mikael Gorbachev
Actually, ghost stations where the West Berlin U-barn went under East Berlin were very much a thing. It was just a product of how the underground was designed. There were guards at the unused stops, but it’s not a particularly far-fetched plot point for a spy thriller like this
Yes, but everything else was. One, U-Bahn couldn't stop willingly. IIRC in 1985 one train got suck for 3 hours at a ghost station and the Stasi amped up guarding immediately. There was no footway to a ghost station, iron gates took care of and the keys were kept by a loyalist who only opened it on call. Original exits of the stations were sealed, and border guards left at other entrances, heavily guarded. So nope nope nope, after them killing the soldiers at the ghost it's already mission failed, the whole Stasi on high alert and all borders are closed.
@@akosbarati2239 they didn’t get off from it stopping. They break a rear door open and jump off
12:31 yes there were explosive rounds for the 12.7mm. The type were known as "Immediate action incendiary"
I can feel how much effort you put in this video. Very good video Frosty1.
(Btw CoD : WW2, WaW, 2, 1 Inaccuracies is kinda interesting too. You might wanna do that.)
Thank you! I am working on WaW currently, it is very near completion
@@TheFrosty_1 Looking forward for that!
10:07 Considering the mission takes place in East Germany, it's possible that the enemies are supplied, at least in part, by Diestenheit IX (I hope I spelled that right), who did absolutely have HK weapons, namely HK33's, 53's, MP5A3's, some MP5SD's, MP5K's, and even some G3SG1 or PSG1 rifles, dating back to the 80's at the very latest, but some information points more towards them obtaining the equipment in the late 70's. They technically used some ruses and proxies to broker the deal, but HK, by some reports, quickly found out it was the East Germans while continuing to sell to them.
It would still be a huge nope, as up until the GDR being exposed as using a cruise for weapon smuggling, all of what you had said was such a deep secret that only a select few within the Stasi knew about it. They would have never used those weapons in the open.
You probably mean Diensteinheit (Dienst = service, Einheit = unit)
But thank you for this comment nonetheless
As an East German I didn't even know that something like this unit existed
The thing is that Diensteinheit IX Personnel didn’t wear typical Police dress uniforms but instead they wore strichtarn uniforms combat vests and ballistic helmets and also they often wore a balaclava.
@@supermemegenerator267 considering Diensteinheit IX was less of a regular police force and more of a counter-terrorism unit, it only makes sense they would use uniforms which cut a more militant profile. They may have been one of the most well supplied units in all of the Soviet Bloc. Commonly seen alongside DEIX operators are Tig helmets (of which the Soviet Altyn is based on), HK weapons, as mentioned before, as well as all sorts of Combloc weaponry, with the PM63 "Rak" or Makarov being some of the most commonly seen in pictures or training footage. They also had, as you said, body armor. From the looks of it, they were soft armor vests, although stronger armors were probably available. I also think it's a bit interesting that such armor was so common in the unit, as most armor prior to the 90's or so was bulky flak vests with the occasional metal insert, not the relatively low-profile aramid vests as they had.
8:12 That machine gun may actually be the M53, the yogoslavian rip-off of the german MG42. It was extensively used from the 1950s by the yugoslavian army, and it was also later exported to some countries of the soviet eastern bloc. So even though it is unlikely to be used in the vietnam war, it is not *that* unrealistic.
Not to mention, a *lot* of GPW-era hardware found its way into Vietnam.
I swear bro probably corrected the history teacher every single day
23:30 Actually the training complex in Ukraine did exist, but it was a radar complex, not the training grounds with a top secret data.
That's a really complicated way to say that the training ground didn't exist. Moreover, this kind of immersion training is purely US thing, soviets didn't even make opfor vehicles to look like western.
As a history enthusiast, it makes me dissappointed to see a video game that takes place in the 1980s during the Cold War, and yet we don't have any missions that were set in real life conflicts happened back then. Imagine having some missions where Mason, Woods, or Adler were doing a secret operations during South African Border War, Mozambican Civil War, Nicaraguan Revolution, Invasion of Grenada, The Troubles, Eritrean War of Independence, Iran-Iraq War, or Lebanese Civil War. Even better, the CIA were ACTUALLY involved in some of those wars in real life! Making the slogan "Know Your History" at 28:05 more misleading and it's a big missed opportunity from Treyarch.
Also by looking at insane amounts of inaccuracies in the video, it's a proof that portrayal of Cold War here was too exaggerated, fictionalized and stereotypical. They didn't even try to make the storyline as dark as BO1, and every random crap they put in both campaign & warzone has nothing to do with real events.
It's so pathetic, the developers clearly didn't give a rats twat hair about actual history and accurately depicting it, educating players about hardly known-or lesser analyzed-aspects to history like in WaW/BLO1/BLO2, so many inaccuracies in this game it's asinine and unexcusable..
@@ReviveHF aparently the next tryarch game i supposed to be the gulf war so i’m assuming we’ll see a lot of that in there
Bro it's a game
Its even funnier when they removed a half second clip of the tianeman square massacre from their trailer after china got mad.
@@ReviveHF that's so freaking truth, in the menu when I played this game. I saw a golf war helmet on my guess in the arsenal which is clearly 1990s with no doubt.
20:07 This one hits close to home because I actually own one of these guns. The shotgun in question is not a Stevens 770, rather it’s an Ithaca 37. This can be seen most clearly through the fact it does not have a side ejection port and rather ejects from the bottom
Considering you mentioned the UH-1 earlier in the video, I'm surprised you missed the landing skids on the helicopter in the cutscene for the last mission were instead replaced with some sort of Seahawk style landing gear.
UH1N did existed with wheels
@@foxtrotsierraproductions8626 Did it? Fair enough, that's my mistake then
The great one has returned
I wonder if the historical inaccuracies are due to the development cycle of this game, not only having to jury rig the plot to fit into the Black Ops timeline between BO1 and BO2, but also having to add in weapons and attachments in order for them to work in Warzone. I like the campaign, but that's mostly because of its more open ended design compared to MW2019.
I actually prefer the campaign of Modern Warfare 2019 because you get to defeat the villain at the end and the game feels like it tells a complete story. The ending to Cold War is rushed by contrast and as if they were going to resolve in Warzone due to running out of time. The inaccuracies is mostly due to the game trying treating everything that is in the history books as having been covered up.
Gulags were located across the whole of the USSR and while operations did cease in 1960 some remained operational for political prisoners up until 1987
21:45 at least Ireland didn’t get nuked
So is Switzerland
i love how like a 3rd of these inaccuracys would've made some sense if the game took place maybe 2-3 years later
5:21 In the first game it is confirmed that Dragovich and Kravchenko did in fact try to brainwash Mason into killing JFK, but ultimately failed as Reznov sabotaged the process.
11:12 The presence of some of these Western weapons at the site is because it's a training course modeled after a stereotypical American city, made for Spetsnaz who were supposed to operate in America.
He still killed JFK though Hudson says there were still years that they didn't know about
If they failed, how come the ending makes it look like Mason assassinated him/helped assassinate?
@@redthewifeyhunter4034 cause they succeeded well kinda since he did end up killing them later
@@Deathmare235 and Oswald took the fall I'm guessing
@@redthewifeyhunter4034 well he was the one that got captured Mason didn’t
11:55 It is a fact that when you play as bell (a Soviet) it's gonna transfer it english to read. Your reading the documents as bell but seeing it as you. Also if you notice bell or any Russian in. The cutscenes are the only one reading from those terminals
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is actually a Hawk MM1 40mm grenade launcher at 25:24 which I believe was in service in the 1980s. And yes I know the magazine size is incredibly unrealistic
You are correct yes
Thank you for doing this, this has been a wonderful history lesson
Thank You for watching!
8:07 There were no mention of the vietcongs using MG42s. However among the many WW2 weapons used by the Vietcongs (MP40, PPSH, STG44 etc) the MG34 was one of them. During the Indochina War, the French Foreign Legion had brought a number of ex-Wehrmacht MG-34s into Vietnam, and some of the communist examples could have been leftovers from that conflict.
I like how Woods says that “no one can bring down Castro before me” when he was one of the failed assassinations
Great video so far, I haven't watched it all the way through yet. A somewhat OK explanation as to why some of the parts after you take control of "Bell" is that Alder doesn't need to remember every detail correctly, just the parts that get him the information he needs. So place names and anachronistic items can, maybe be explained. Plus, spoiler alert, bell never took part in any of the events Adler has them recall. Bell is a partner of Perseus. They are put in situations as a vehicle to remember details about where Perseus is. That or laziness. Although from what I've read up on the pps 42, the dp28 machine gun, the chicom type 50 submachine gun, which is essentially the pps42 as well as other weapons were all used in the war. From my research "MG 42, Captured by the Soviets during ww2 and provided to the VPA and the NLF as military aid" again I like the video so this isn't supposed to be an "er well actually"
Ya the mind control stuff may be able to explain it but I just took it at face value as most would. And you are right about the Soviets supplying WW2 weaponry to the Vietcong however from my research they were pretty rare and I was not able to find any evidence of the MG-42 being used in Vietnam. The closest thing I could find were a few scarce MG-34s.
@@TheFrosty_1 aye the mg34s came up a few times through my reading and looking at old photos. Funny thing is there's a few pictures of Americans holding MP40s which is just weird. Aye I'd have taken the mind control thing at face value as well but the black ops games have never been all that forthcoming on every detail which is probably why I like them so much. Anyway good day sir 😀
@@Basarius Regardless I am happy that your shared your thoughts and those interesting facts, thank you! :>
@@TheFrosty_1 oh I could talk for hours about this stuff but my hands would fall off haha
@@TheFrosty_1 was thinking the same thing of op about the german guns given by the soviets but also there could have been used by the french colonial forces or have them at a depo since france could have gotten some after ww2 and it would make more sence to use them in the colonies rather than have them on France
as much as I like this campaign, the small details like this make it no where as close as waw and bo1 (even tho bo1 had a few inaccuracies) great stuff dude!
Agreed, thanks! :>
BO1 and BO2 had a few inaccuracies in order to preserve the fictional story they tried to present. Like Mason be somehow the killer of JFK and many other things.
@@aveteranplayer6403 yeah but even a lot of the weapons in bo1 weren't even invented yet
I'd say there's a lot of inaccuracies in BO1, especially in terms of weapons, equipment, and uniforms (esp. enemies).
WaW is still king in my opinion.
Actually, The Stroke by Billie Squire was released as a single, which is common to release way earlier than the album it came from so its entirely possible to have heard it on the radio in January 1981
You are getting every detail I like it some accuatal dedication on youtube
Infinity Ward should hire this guy as a historical fact-checker to make sure mistakes like these do not happen
Infinity Ward does not have anything to do with CoD Cold War.
@@foxtrotsierraproductions8626 my mistake, I'm an idiot
@@StrangeSeatstill, if they make another historical cod whoever develops it should hire someone like this guy to fact check it
To be honest, Black Ops Cold War seems to me like a vessel of fun, less of history. Like the movie master and commander, it takes historically based ideas and implements them In a fun way. I know as a consumer that sitting in a spy plane taking photos or a street would get boring real fast. Great review as always!
the video maker is jealous of CoD's success so he has to make up lies to slander it. he hates it so much becauise it makes much more money than his noob channel
@@SoyAntonioGaming i... don't think so
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@@SoyAntonioGaming mate. I wholly agree with this guy's review, I was simply explaining why the story, dates and logical abilities would make sense. he puts up many fair arguments, like the gun anochrisms, and how realistic getting hit with an RPG close range would be.
He's not slandering it, he's making a completely fair point. Would a game be fun to you if you sit in a spy plane for 2 hours? maybe move to a coffee shop and literally do nothing but take pictures of passerby? That's not fun, that's boring. This game is a great game, and it is made by an even greater TH-camr.
MGS3 did a better job than this CoD
@@warkopvalhalla708 lier!!!
The VC were given massive stockpiles of captured WW2 surplus from the soviets, so the MG42 is very accurate. The VC actually liked using them to shoot at helicopters. Also the training center could have the US or NATO weapons for training purposes.
Just a small inaccuracy with the end of this video, I was taught in the Royal marine cadets as a child, that when you finish your dialog with "over", you are awaiting a reply from whom with you speak. When you finish your dialog with "out" you have concluded your dialog with the receiver. So saying them together; "over & out" implies you're awaiting a response while saying that's the end of the conversation. Always a small bit of comedy for me since I had learned of it haha.
Great video though!
Ya, it is technically incorrect but I started saying that goofy ahh outro a few months back and have kinda just kept it for the laugh, thanks anyway!
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Here’s one you missed, the uniforms in Lubyanka are mostly Red Army uniforms when the KGB uniforms were either light blue or a darker looking version of the Red Army uniform. I’ve also seen black and grey versions but I’ve barely seen them.
The name "Red Army" was abolished in 1946. From 1946 it was officially called the Soviet Army.
Fun fact: There was a single nuclear weapon in the history of the united states that did not require direct presidential authorisation to deploy-
The Air-2A Genie Rocket was an unguided air to air rocket with a nuclear warhead that was designed to wipe out bomber formations in a single hit. It was made in the '60s, but was still in service untill the '80s
@@Tigran-Abazyan Taken out of service in the 80'sbecause it would be useless today. A few examples still exist in museums
This is genius for a video series!
As for the MG42, I'm petty sure I read that the USSR sent captured German weaponry to the VC as foreign aid. I even remember seeing a picture of VC fighters carrying one in a history textbook
I think is MG34 that North Vietnam use, not MG42
There were no mention of MG42s being used during the vietnam war, so its must be a 34
@@bingolos9063 There's photos of captured MG42s out there.
@bingolos9063 it's actually correct. The Soviets handed captured German weapons to the NVA during the early part of the war. It would be phased out as the Soviets started providing heavier equipment like Dushkas
@@obscureoccultist9158 it's not the soviets it was the Chinese bc they were heavily involved in helping Vietnam
in the first mission on the AKS-74u we see a C79 Elcan optical sight.. Canadian made but not introduced until 1989
Indeed, there were so many problems with the attachments that I kinda just had to through them all into one inaccuracie
Great Video! I liked for the quality and subed for the jellies
Awesome thank you!
Your awesome, how you're you so fast
16:24: The person in charge of overseeing this meeting would have been the head of the KGB, Yuri Andropov who served between 1967-1982.
19:17 that's like escaping the pentagon in a Nissan sedan. Ain't no way they leaving alive or it not leading to an act of war
One minor note: in the final mission, the island is shown being bombed by, from what I can tell, F-4 Phantoms. However, assuming the aircraft were also launched from carriers, then it would've been more accurate for it to be an A-6E, A-7E, or F-14A, as by the 1980s, the Navy had begun replacing the F-4 with other aircraft.
I think the most unrealistic part of this game is the fact they think the Red Army hasn’t invented the AK74 yet
Yes, that's pissed me very much. Not only the AK-74, other Soviet standard service weapons in 1980s such as Dragunov SVD, PKM machine gun, & Makarov PM pistol are also missing in the game
Also in the cutscene before the truth ending, there are for some reason 2 Iowa class battleships when they should each be in their own battle groups. But the helicopters are based on the Huey with tricycle landing gear which never existed, along with the F-14 Tomcats being all types of butchered
You done a great job with this analysis, even with the inaccuracies and such, I enjoyed Cold War, not the greatest but not the worst (unlike what came out the year after...)
Thank you! :>
The grenade launcher in the final mission in Solovetsky seem to be also based on the MM1 Grenade Launcher - which is also seen in BO2
remember if you wanna make a historical game, ask this man to review the game before you release it.
i find it really cool how there are so many inaccuracies but they have so many little details like the reagen jelly beans, the radio cutitng out when you go into the tunnel, the soviet civilians and soldiers having conversations about shops and cars crazy how they get that right but not the actual historical parts of the game and suspension of disbelief plays a part in it but if they were using the right guns this list probably wouldnt be half as long as it is and that would be an easy fix IF THEY DIDNT RELEASE THE GAMES ONE YEAR AFTER THE OTHER
Even with all inaccuracies, this still continues to be one of my favorite campaigns.
same (:
Here's a nitpicky one for you. The DUGA Array near Pripyat was pointed permanently directly north over the Arctic Circle (which makes sense as the first line of defense in detecting American ICBMs) rather than pointing directly west as shown in the cutscene to "activate the greenlight nukes in Europe"
to be fair to the game, i feel like the inaccuracies around the vietnam flashbacks could be down to the fact that the whole scenario is a lie, so things like locations being wrong and (some) equipment that was made between then and when the main game takes place less egregious - using a 2000's helicopter is still fucked tho
2:05 or you know… a severe alcoholic
i don't think mason was alcoholic
@@seanmarley3598 that’s great. Dumb as shit to say, but great
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Gotta love it that they actually put some fotage of a very unknown tank
The M50
Can you do a historical analysis of World at War next? I'd love to see what you would find in that game.
I think I'll start work on that soon ya, thank you! :>
@@TheFrosty_1 Looking forward to it!
@@TheFrosty_1 A modder name FeReise in Moddb also made some mod and blogs about historical accuracies in WaW as well. You might wanna check it out.
About the RC: it would consume a monstrous amount of D cells and would lose range after a couple of meters, 90's kids would know the struggle. And that'd without even taking into account the weight of the cammera and C4 block hindering it even further
I spent way too much time trying to avoid all the inaccurate weapons while playing this game. I would be alone in a room sifting through guns while my team is raging on ahead.
21:01 another inaccuracy about the "AC-130" depicted in this game is that the scorestreak icon shows the AC-130 firing all 3 of its weapons at once, which it is incapable of doing. The AC-130 can only fire 2 of its weapons at once.
Although I agree with some of the vehicles depicted inaccurately, the reasoning as to why there had been some alterations is probably due to the fact that AM General sued Activision over the depiction/usage of Humvees in their games. Though it was thrown out, I think they started doing these little alterations just so they won't have to deal with another similar sort of lawsuit. Great video man 👍
Funnily enough back in CODBO like 10+ years ago they put the new Jeep in the SOG mission and a multiplayer map
The new 2010 Jeep
In the Vietnam War
Yes
Fair point but in my mind it doesn't excuse the DShK on some weird open top turret on a BTR which to my mind didn't exist, or if it did exist then it's some rare variant. It should be a 14.5mm KPV in a fully enclosed turret. He didn't even mention that one
The Soviets supplied WW2 era german weapons to the Viet Minh, Viet Cong, and Vietnam as a whole. So the mg42 being used is by no means an inaccuracy, but by 1968 it would be pretty rare to see since most of those weapons were phased out by Soviet ones.
This isnt really relevant but this video introduced me to magic carpet ride so thanky you frosty
The ussr ending with a pizza hut commercial is so funny, It’d make stalin have a second stroke LMAO
About the russian solider with the 1911. It is possible that a russian soldier got one after the US sold 51,000 pistols to russia during WW1.
Edit: Forgotten weapons did a video on it
Highly doubtful. Some M1911, available in the soviet warehouses of the mobilization reserve, quite possibly fell into the hands of the People's Militia in the fall of 1941, but after the end of the war, all foreign weapons, both previously taken from the warehouses and captured, went back to the warehouses or went abroad as military aid. So this particular soldier had nowhere to take the M1911 and was supposed to be armed with a PM.
I think this is just a developer error.