How do you paint a guitar with a binding? | The guitar kit from solo music gear (Part 9)
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- Does your guitar have a binding? Are you wondering how to do a paint job, but still keep that binding? That's what we talk about in today's video
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This makes me feel a lot safer with wanting to paint my Rickenbacker 4003 copy.
Good ol' Chicen-backers. Swap the pickups for ones designed for actual Rics and they play like a thousand bucks. Hope it went well!
I literally just finished shooting a bound guitar, that I painstakingly masked the binding on. Guess what? Still gotta scrape,really no getting around it. Great video Brad, thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching.
I prefer scrapping the binding, as you did. Like you said, patients is needed and nice sharp blade help. And if you want, prior to painting over the binding, mark the blade on one end how far down the binding is . Then flip the blade and mark the depth. This way if you are unsure of yourself, you have guide marks to help. Tape would be the choice to cover the gap between the marks so you don't cut yourself. I hope you understand this.
Thanks Brad for sharing the video. Guitar is awsome! Can't wait to see the finished product.
That’s a good idea Wallace. You can also tape the guitar edge at the base of the binding line to minimize the risk of scraping too far.
that is definitely the way that I would approach binding, paint over and use a razor or something to scrape it off... I've never done it yet so I'm very anxious about trying it on the kit I'm going to build... This video helped me see that I really does just take some patience and some precision...
Have a look through some of the other comments on here. Some people have provided tips on how to make it slightly less risky.
I tried your technique and ended up going too far even though I tried to really do this clean and steady, now I have to redo the paint. Fuck my life
So I learned this from another luthier, he uses a scraper, and what he does is put the scraper over the binding only far enough to so not to hit the guitar, then he tapes where his hand would be to create a wall that he can use as a guide for scraping. This way the scraper never goes beyond the binding, it’s pretty badass and makes the job cleaner and faster.
Yup, that’s a good way to do it. Another is to insert the razor blade into a small dowel and have it only protrude as far as you need it.
Hmm. It seems my black binding has some chips in it and is showing the wood color. I don't trust myself scraping for the first time ever. So I'm considering painting the whole guitar, taping beside the binding, then scraping the binding, and then filling the wood color with black paint of some sort with a small brush. Is this a good approach for my first time? I don't trust my hand scraping my first time without adding the tape before I start...
If the binding is actually missing a chunk I would fill it with black superglue probably.
I don't trust myself enough to blindly scrape away haha i think I would just tape it and then scrape it just so i can see exactly where the bindings at. cool video!
Probably a good idea haha
Hey quick question, so I’m just going to throw on a coat of black primer as the end result is just going to be a satin matte finish, I assume I just do the coats of primer, let it dry, scrape the binding, then go for the clear coat?
Sand the primer lightly with 800 grit once dry. Black primer isn’t usually quite black, so you may want a black color coat as well, but it’s up to you.
I know this might sound like a stupid question but, do we scrape off the paint from the binding before of after we had put on a clear cote? Also great video and thanks for the information, thumbs up.
Before you clear coat. You can leave the clear coat over the binding on.
Hi there, another great video. Looks as this is the way to go, scraping, that is. But does the delay in putting the clear coat on after scraping cause problems between the the colour and clear coat adhesion?
It depends on what paints you’re using. In some circumstances it could.
In your opinion, is it necessary (or better) to use a single side razor blade, or can I use a utility knife with retractable razor?
You could use a utility knife if you’re able to control it. I’ve recently done a couple binding scraping videos that offer some further assistance.
@@BradAngove I gave it a try but in the end what worked was a single sided razor blade stuck in a cork. That's a simple way to get a straight edge. Thanks for your videos!
I want to paint over some ugly binding on a b.c.rich, I'm hoping I can just sand off the finish and give it a few coats of black and then clear coat, wet sand, clear coat. Wet sand etc.
Is there anything special I need to do to paint over abalone?
No, that should work fine.
@@BradAngove thank you so much for the response! I'll tag you when it's done, going to look sick
Of the 3 methods, this is by far the easiest of them! Great tutorial. The tape trick Wallace mentioned is a good trick. It does take a little time to work out, but is a little safer on the overall end result.
Yes, it sounds like a good way to help reduce the risk of scraping too far.
Great video! How do you avoid or correct the ridge created from the blade? Where the paint meets the binding? Will the clear coat just fill it in?
With adequate clear coating and level sanding it should essentially go away. There’s usually a very small seam there anyway, so I don’t find this makes any real difference.
Thanks very much!
Dude the airbrushed panels are 🔥but the tear out with blue flames not so much. But it’s your design and it’s still smoking great job learned a lot and thanks my man!!!
Thanks Jeff
I've done both but not the removal method. Razor blades are hard to use. I watched the Gibson scrape master do it with a special tool so I bought it at Stewmac. Seems about the same to me still difficult. But yeah scraping is the way they do it at Gibson, likely every other pro manufacturer too.
Thanks for the vid. I'm getting ready to refinish the top of an ibanez cmm2 with binding.. looks simple enough, I'll just go slow 👍
Have you had any more ridiculous comments that you have felt like pinning lately ?
Will stain or dyes color a white binding? Or should I tape it?
They can, but you can generally scrape it clean again afterward.
@@BradAngove that's what I figured. Thank u sir.
I'm building a guitar that I plan on adding binding to. Would it be practical to paint the guitar first and then route the channel? Or would the paint chip?
The paint would probably chip.
What about clear lacquer finish? Can I paint over all the binding including the neck?
Yes
since the sides are easy to tape perhaps it would be nice to do that and finish things of with the razor. Would save some time I bet. thanks for the video Brad!
Yes I also do that sometimes.
Thanks Brad! My first attempt at this was your first method. Since I had to make repairs to the guitar anyway and the old binding needed replaced, I painted the guitar prior to replacing the purfling and binding. However, once I did replace the purfling and binding, I had glue everywhere! I'm currently in the process of of scraping off the excess binding material and glue. I'm going to have to repaint the guitar. I think that I should try to tape the purfling to minimize the amount of paint that I will need to scrape off. I can't imagine that it will scrape off as easily as the binding. Any recommendations?
Take a look at the videos on my last two projects on this channel. I taped off the bindings on both and demonstrated a technique to help with scraping. The tape I used is probably a good option for purfling as well.
Hey brad. I got this tip from a carpenter don't know if it is practical, but he says he would use wax to cover the binding then paint. And remove wax after.
It’s practical in some instances. Paint doesn’t stick to wax, so it is sometimes used as a masking agent.
This may a stupid question but if a guitar doesn’t have a binding strip, and is just a wooden shell. If I were to stain the guitar, could I take a blade and create a bound edge using the technique you’re using here, by exposing the under layers, then poly the whole thing?
You would generally tape off and seal that strip instead, then the stain won’t soak in there.
Brad Angove thats the second method you spoke of. Awesome, thanks man. Great channel!
Awesome job. Can't wait to see this with some clear and depth to it.
I published the video with the clear coat yesterday.
Yep... just saw it. Looking good.
Thanks.
what if you paint the binding on a guitar? i mean, you have no binding on it and you draw it and paint it, black maybe, how do you mask the top from getting sprayed but also have it straight?
Just with masking tape.
Shes Looking Good Now Brad, I Think That Paint Job Is Just Awesome Thanks Again for THe Great Tips Etc Caunt Wait To See The Finished Result, Have You Got Any Thing Planned for The Neck And Head Stock ?? Cheers
Thank you. Did you see the episode where I put the dye on the neck?
Hiya Brad No I Didint See That One Dont No How i Missed It,,, Because I All Ways Watch Your Videos,
Found It Brad, Looks Really Good And Will Match The Body Perfectly Great Job, Thanks Cheers
Thanks. I’m glad you like it.
Thank You Brad You Do Some Amazing Work
What’s up brad! Love your videos. I’m working on my first kit. It’s a EVH Wolfgang copy with binding. I don’t like the binding and would like to hide it under the finish. Will I be able it under paint color/clear coats? Thanks in advance
Yes, if you don’t like it you should be ok to just paint over it.
Did you start to remove the paint from the binding after the transparent lack?
I do it before the clear coat generally.
Im working on building a new kit. I can buy with a binding channel or have the binding installed for me. Which would be better? Paint and scrape it or paint it and then try and do my own binding? Ive never done binding before
Paint and scrape. It’s risky trying to instal a binding after painting and you generally still need to scrape to get it flat.
@@BradAngove thank you so much, i love your videos they help me out so much
Could you go over the scraping technique in a little more detail?
There are lots of good videos out there about binding scraping. If I do another bound guitar I will go over it though.
Hey I had a question, is it possible to paint the neck and headstock of a guitar using spray paint? I thought Dave Ghrol had a guitar with a painted neck buts i assume it's been painted with a paintbrush, I wanted to tape up the fretboard with masking tape and paint the headstock and neck the same color as the body's
Is this a thing I can do without sacrificing tone or comfort?
Sure. I released a video two weeks ago where I sprayed the neck. There no reason why it would affect tone, and comfort is subjective. I would avoid a full gloss to be able to play faster (for the neck), but you can just scuff if back with 1500 grit to achieve that after the fact if you want.
Brad Angove Thank you! I'll be sure to watch the vid and to use the grit!
So basecoat, scrape binding, clear coat the whole thing or is it good to go like this?
Correct. Base coat, clean binding, clear coat.
please give me that guitar, you really did a good job but seriously you should give me that tele ;)
You should make one!
That looks great, Brad!
At the risk of having to issue a trigger warning about spoiler alerts, are you going to clear over the binding, too? Then leave it or scrape it off? I cleared before scraping the binding on my Les Paul copy, but with the multiple coats from the 2x spray can, there's a bit of a ridge. How do I get around that?
(I dip-painted it and it turned out fantastic.)
I will be clearing directly over the binding and then leaving it like that.
Are you trying to avoid having clear coat over yours?
Brad, won't the plastic of the binding push off the clearcoat after a while, or at least wear off and look unsightly, especially in areas where there is a lot of skin contact such as where the arm of the player goes over the body? This is why I thought there shouldn't be clearcoat on the plastic. Wouldn't it be necessary to at least put some adhesion promoter on the plastic? That's what I used when I recoloured car interior parts, especially the polypropyline.
Adhesion promoter is an important part of painting plastic generally, but for just s binding like this the clear coat will bridge over it no problem, so that won’t be necessary.
Is it also possible to spray the clear coat over the binding and leave it like this or will it crack or something?
I clear coat over my bindings every time.
@@BradAngove Thank you for the quick response
That is a different looking paint job but VERY nice. I can't wait to see it finished.
Thanks. I’m glad you like it.
This is awesome! Does the paint come off the binding a bit easier than it does the wood?
Yes, paint doesn’t really like to stick to plastic.
If doing stain, which option would people recommend? Still scraping? Or is that a better use of tape?
Use a q-tip or small brush to coat the binding in lacquer so it doesn’t get stained. Then the stain should just wipe off of it, and you can scrape whatever remains.
Thanks, this is my first kit build so I am scouring youTube for examples. You do some great work, thank you for the response.
Thanks Victor.
I didn't know what the binding was. It definitely looks better with the paint off though.
I think it adds a nice accent.
I am accustomed seeing it on box guitars. Didn't know it had a name. Never saw it on an electric but you pulled it off nicely.
Thank you.
...Do you light sand it afterwards so that the paint can be even in surface with the binding or not??
I clear coat over it.
Ok,thanks!
Thats the way Gibson does it.
Indeed.
Since that's how it's done by the big name guitar makers, that must be the best way. Did you have to do any touch up?
I didn’t on this one, but I have in the past.
Brad Angove Would you touch up with spray, air brush? And I'm guessing you scrape before doing any clear?
Correct, and yes. A normal brush may also suffice for a touch up on this job.
Mad skills that binding really makes that guitar pop
Thank you. I think it gives a nice bit of contrast.
What if we are using wood stain?
What are you trying to do?
@@BradAngove I'm trying to remove the clear coat and paint off the guitar and put ebony wood stain on it, but I'm afraid the stain will seep into the binding even if I mask it off.
Is the binding white?
@@BradAngove yes. It's a signature 7 Mick Thomson warlock
Stain might get on it, but you can just scrape it with a razor blade after.
I see how you went about this Brad, but what if the guitar was painted and finished in 2k clear? Would that hardness of the finish present a possible 'chip out' of finish when scraping the binding?
Yes. You would need to cut the line for the binding first, and you would likely end up with a ridge.
Thanks Brad...this is something that I may run into. So given what you said, would it be worth painting such as you have done, then scrape the binding, then 2k clear over everything, including the binding, and call it done?
That’s how I prefer to do it personally.
Great...thanks man!
You’re welcome.
when you do this, is it hard to avoid scraping the side too wide, making the wood bare, or the lines jagged?
It’s a bit challenging. It definitely takes patience. You can put down a tape line to help avoid that if you want.
okay, i noticed that it looked like even you screwed it up a little bit, though it was pretty good for the most part(i am not trying to call you out, since you arent a professional luthier, and i make mistakes like this too, because i am not professional either). if i remember correctly, the way that professional guitar builders do this is by scraping the binding, but using a finger to guide the blade as a depth stop, just like how you would circum around a guitar to draw an evenly spaced line. i have never actually put binding on any of my guitars though.
maybe another way would also be to make it so the binding protrudes from the wood a little bit, so when you scrape it, you make it flush with the finish.
Having a protruding binding would be nice. If you observe carefully, I did use a finger as a guide for a lot of it.
okay, i see it now.
Can you just paint over the binding?
Yes, if you want.
@@BradAngove thanks for responding! Great content!
Hi Brad, would this work with a dye, like the Crimson stains?
Scraping the plastic? It should; yes.
Brad Angove Thanks, I'll try that.
I hope it goes well for you.
Thank you Brad.
Great Tutorial.
Thanks for watching.
Looks awesome bro! 🎸👍👍
Thanks man.
I could have used this a month ago! The guitar I'm restoring is an old Les Paul copy with binding on the top and back. Worked fine by sanding and staining sides and back, but masking of bindings on the top left a little ridge where the paint built up - I did option 2, which was a pain in the ass. Suggestions for leveling that lip without removing the paint?
Is the paint protruding past the binding now?
No, it's cleanly masked, but the paint is higher than the binding. Thanks for the reply! Your videos have been my handbook for this project.
Haha that’s what I meant by protruding. Are the colours opaque, or transparent? Have you already done your clear coat?
Haha that’s what I meant by protruding. Are the colours opaque, or transparent? Have you already done your clear coat?
Haha. It's an opaque spray can gold, and I've done all my clear coating. Waiting for last coats to cure then moving on to sanding and polishing.
Dude that's sick!
Thank you.
Bro you just gained a subscriber and that was me
Thank you Zane.
Brad Angove bro I was just wondering if you could do a lightning bolt graphic
Have a look at my 3 video series on how to paint your snowboard. I’m pretty sure I showed how to do a lightning bolt graphic in that series.
Brad Angove okay bro thank a lot
You’re welcome.
Hi Brad. Great tutorial again. I have 2 questions:
1. If you're done scraping, I guess the binding could be damaged with scratches. How would you fix that?
2. If the binding is not on yet, would you paint the routed edge or tape it of?
Tnx
You clear coat over the binding after and that sorts out the scratches. If the binding isn’t on there I would try to avoid painting the routed area, but generally you put the binding on there before paint because you have to do so much taping etc.
Hey Brad, I’m unsure wether you have run into this problem but I certainly have. I had recently stripped a guitar down to the wood and I noticed before that, there was a thick clear enamel-like clear layer just above that. I now speculate that layer served as a grain filler so the wood grain wouldn’t seep past the primer and paint.
Though, now that I’ve taken that clear layer off, I’m worried that the grains of the wood would show through the finished paint job.
So my question is:
Brad, do you have any methods to cover wood grain from seeping through entirely? If so, are there perhaps any alternative methods as oppose to buying something like a wood grain filler?
I’m such a beginner at this kinda thing that I’m not sure if the type of product I’m mentioning does what I believe it to do!
What you’ve encountered is the sealer. The wood has likely already been grain filled, so you shouldn’t need to do that again. You can add 3-4 coats of sealer again before paint to seal the grain in and prevent it from showing through the paint. Are you looking for a recommendation as to my favourite sealer?
Brad Angove The sealer, okay thanks for clarifying that one! Sure I would like to hear your recommendation towards your favorite sealer.
I was also concerned of choosing between a water-based or oil-based sealer because I’m not sure how much using one or the other coupled with the opposing oil-based or water-based paint would change the final product.
Painting is really really confusing and theirs just so much conflicting information online, it’s enough to make ones head spin.
Thank you for taking your time to answer these perhaps rudimentary questions.
What are you going for as a final look?
Brad Angove
Well that’s a good question. I well wanted to be pretty bold at first and give it a stainless steel kinda look. Like a metallic basic silver paint but with the fiber-like pattern you’d find on say a piece of stainless steel or aluminum made to look like stainless steel.
Though I haven’t had much luck finding videos on how to replicate that look. If I remember correctly; I believe you may have had a video coming out about achieving that finish but I’m not sure if you posted it (excuse the poor memory).
Though if I can’t achieve that stainless steel look on a piece of spare wood I have. I may just paint it that metallic silver instead.
Are you referring to a brushed aluminum type of thing?