How to get an awesome finish with Duplicolor and 2K (BEAUTIFUL RESULTS) Part 2
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- In this video we finish off our beautiful duplicolor paint job with the 2K clear coat finish. Here we are flattening that clear out and polishing it up to a beautiful shine
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Brad, I'm planning to do my first kit build and while doing some research came across your channel. Thank you so much for the time you put into these. Your tutorials are excellent. I plan on using this method though with the spray can. Again, thanks!
Awesome, I’m glad I could help and I hope your project goes well.
Just applied 2k clear and wow. I’ve used duplicolor clear in the past and this stuff is just way better.
Indeed - a much higher quality product.
Great tutorial, nothing like a nice shiny guitar. You do a great job, despite when Texas Toast says about you. Their video was pretty funny, though.
It was quite good. I will have to respond to their generous offer.
One way to make sure that you’re sanding the entire surface, is to spray it with a light coat of water based spot trace. That’s from my yacht painting days. It forces you to sand everything, whether you want to or not. A rigid sponge sanding block is good too. BTW, you do excellent work!
Thanks Tom. In auto painting they use something similar called a guide coat. It’s usually used for leveling off primer etc before painting.
Shoutout from TAT Express out of Hutchins, TX
I use a small amount of dishwasher liquid and water when rubbing. Works a treat.
So do I stops it clogging
YES! Soap dramatically increases abrasive life.
Brad...It looks like Mr. Toast has called you out. I’m sure you have seen his response to your trash talk video. I may have misunderstood what he was trying to say in his response, but it sounded like he was asking you to come down and teach him how to use his Iwata as good as you are able to use a rattle can...and fix his hair? I can’t be sure. No one has built anything yet and I’m already loving this. Can’t wait to see what’s next.
I've got pretty steady hands, but I don't think even I could fix Matt's hair haha. I saw the response video - it was great. I'll have to issue a "polite" reply next week!
Just got some of metallic blue duplicolor at Advanced Auto Parts. Should come out very nice! 😊
Dude. That 2K stuff is amazing. It really does leave you a mirror finish once you wet sand and polish. Great video, Brad. Sanding does suck, though.
Indeed it does haha.
Can u bring me a colir or number of the paint? Thanks. Beautifull job...
The sand and polish is my favourite part 👀. I's nice to hear someone who knows what they're talking about. There's so much bad advice around painting and finishing in general. Watch that mic lol. I always use water. No need to make things wet enough that water is running into holes, and I hate dust everywhere (I guess I prefer mud everywhere 😂). Right edges. Paint pools on flats, so it creeps away from edges. On top of that, edges are naturally going to get a lot more pressure from sanding than distributed pressure over flat areas.
Ya, I hear way too many people saying they have sanded through their finishes and it’s almost always on edges unfortunately.
Hey Brad, how long after your final coat of clear are you waiting for it to dry before going into the sanding/polishing process? Thanks.
About 24 hours
Thanks for this. I'm starting small. I'm gonna paint the head of my guitar black to match the body.
Great video. My father had a high-end auto restoration shop for about 35 years, and I sometimes did side jobs pairing electric guitars. Followed all the same steps you did in your video series. Just curious why you don’t use water with the wet-dry sandpaper. I realize using water is optional, but just curious why you prefer to not use water. Your TH-cam channel is great, btw.
I would use water on a car or plastic parts. I avoid it on wood - it can cause swelling that results in the finish cracking.
Hey Brad-Question about the 2k. After 24 hours i followed this cutting schedule:800, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, compound and buffed. Guitar was glassy smooth and glossy like a factory finish. However up close i could still see all the scrstches from the sanding. Did i cut/buff too soon? Didnt keep paper clean enough? What do you think I did wrong? Or what would you recommend?
I can only guess, but I would think you either didn’t remove all the 800 grit scratches or you had some contamination on your sandpaper that left scratches.
22:27 wtf its all scratched, fuzzy and still has orange peel.
By the way, thanks for the videos, Brad, you've been (and continue to be ) great!
Hello Brad, i've put 3 coats of spraymax 2k on my guitar and waiting for it to dry 24+ hours. Due to vinyl stickers under the clear coat, plus some orange peel it's obvious that i'll need a thicker clear coat. My question is up to what grip do i need to sand the first 3 coats before i apply another 3 on top of that? AND if i sand the first 3 coats won't those sanding scratches be visible through the future upper layers ?
I’d go 800 grit. Those scratches won’t be visible. See my video on how to build a thick coat of clear.
@@BradAngove Thanx for the reply, i forgot to ask, this sanding between clear coats we're talking about is for leveling? OR it's for better grip for the next clear coat?
*i've seen this video you suggested 20 times :)
For adhesion mostly.
Hi Brad. Im building a bass from scratch my son. Used nitrocellulose lacquer. Do you think I could put 2k clear coat over it? Or would there be a chemical reaction?
It isn’t recommended, but I have done it successfully more than once.
Brad, do you use the wax and grease remover on the body after buffing with 1200, 2500, and 4000 before moving on to polishing?
I do. Just to make sure there are no contaminants to mess with the polishing.
Figured you were coming back with a rebuttal to Texas Toast's trash from this morning! Play on, Brad!
Soon my friend, soon haha.
Brad...great channel. I use a sealer and don't worry much about wet sanding and have never had issues with water on the wood. I use very light sprays of water as well. Creates more work to do it that way but I play on the cautious side and haven't had issues. Thanks again!
You're using way too much compound, a few tabs on the pad will be plenty for that entire guitar.
If you get some run while you're spraying (because I'm bad) what #grit should I use to knock it down before clear coat? Can I sand then clear coat or sand then respray then clear coat?
If it’s metallic, sand re spray and clear. If it’s not, just sand and clear. I would use 800 grit.
@@BradAngove thank you much!
Do a video on spray painting the solo jazz pattern (f*ck Jerry logo, dixxie cup logo, etc)
I still never figured out how to polish with my low speed bench buffers. red or even the zero cut blue compound is nothing compared to automotive paste. They works great on steel and plastic, but just can't put that mirror shine on clear coat.
I’ve never used one for clear. I’ve been wanting to try, but I don’t have a low speed option.
Patrick Batemans good brother :)
It's a 2x3. Definitely cool advice! I love the Norton's Liquid Ice!
Hey Brad, lovely videos. If we are wanting a satin or matte finish, can we build up layers with 2k matte from the getgo, or do we build up clears and then finish with a matte coat?
I would recommend building layers with gloss and then finishing up with matte.
hey love the content! super resourceful.. quick question regarding part 1 .. why not do any sanding on your paint layers prior to clear coat application?
The pearl loses its color and comes out oddly silver on paints like this if you sand the last layer prior to clear coat.
I would offer a warning that if you're going to wet sand, DO NOT use a wooden sanding block .. its shape can distort if the wood gets wet and create big problems. Don't ask how I know this .. :)
That’s the same reason I generally don’t wet sand guitars.
Hey brother - what is the brand name for the polishing pads you used on your drill? Thanks
Chemical brothers
Hey Brad! I have a few questions. I'm using Rustoleum 2X for color. How long should I wait to spray the 2K clear? And what temperature/humidity would be best to spray in?
I give it a week or two before spraying the clear. Standard room temperature is fine. Warmer is better. And the lower the humidity the better.
Hey Brad how would you remove 2k clear from a guitar body? I sprayed a guitar project last year but now I wanna change colors. Thanks and keep up the good work!
My preferred method is a heat gun and scraper. Sometimes you need to resort to sanding though.
Your videos are awesome but I would like to say a special thanks for putting on a mask! A hobby is NOT worth your life!
Cheers friend
Love watching your vids I’m working on a Ltd viper 50 gonna spray paint it a satin olive/army green but do you have a video on how to sand a existing guitar neck for I wanna repaint the back of the neck as well
I’m not sure I have a specific video on that. The gist is you tape off the fretboard and plug the tuner holes and then you can go ahead and paint like normal.
Tremendous job! I am refinishing maple drumshells and using your videos for guidance. Good stuff!
Glad I could help.
Hey Brad,
Thanks for the tutorial. I’m not quite at the sanding part yet, but I’m wondering about the polishing steps. What if you don’t have the buffer that you have? Can the rubbing compound be applied by hand? I have a drill. Is there a special attachment I can use with the drill that will allow me to polish?
By hand or with a drill buffer attachment should work.
I’ve struggled a lot with when to move to the next higher grit sandpaper. A number of times I’ve gotten up to 2000 or 2500 and I find that I cant remove some of the previous scratches. Do you have any tips on that?
Try switching to sanding in a single direction at those higher grits so that it’s easier to see what impact you’re having on the prior scratches.
For Gods Sake Man. Use Water!!!! Its Soooo Much Easier and Looks So Much Better. You're Not Building a Submarine! Just Wipe With a Damp Rag. Wipe Off With a Dry. I've Never Never Never had Cracking. Still ya did a Nice Job. Thanks
I’ve done lots of wet sanding. I just don’t generally do it on guitars anymore. I’m glad you’ve never had cracking, but many of my viewers have.
@@BradAngove I hate the dirt build up. I buffed through my aged Clear coat on my 56 Jr. If had 47 years. Ratz. Thanks for your Videos
Is it hard to clean a paint gun after duplicolor? Just mineral spirits is ok for that? I usually use my paint sprayer with nitro, and that's easy to clean with lacquer thinner.
Use lacquer thinner. It’s not hard.
i did it with duplocolor on a 250$ jackson bass wich I have removed the frets to make it fretless...painted the neck blue and the body grabber green + I used cyanoacrylates glue to make fretboard smooth...painted over the glu....it looks like if it was new from the shop...and sounds bettter than when I bought it...thanks for the help, your video prevented me from making a mess !😅
Glad I could help
Brad, could you wet sand here with auto glass cleaner? Would that share the same risk of cracking the clear coat like other water-based lubricants?
You could. It would be a reduced risk from the water because it evaporates more rapidly.
Hey Brad...How long did you wait after the last coat of clear to start the sanding/polishing process?
As always, great video!!
24 hours
@@BradAngove Awesome 👍 Thanks for the reply!
Brad, quick question.... I’m following this procedure exactly (grey sandable primer>duplicolor>spray maxx 2k)
Do I have to use a sanding sealer on the bare wood body if I’m going to use sandable primer ? I have a kit guitar with bare wood and I did a test piece yesterday and it came out pretty nice but I’m worried about putting the primer straight to bare 🪵 wood over time as people on forums say it could soak into the wood eventually and ruin my finish.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated!
Once the primer dries it shouldn’t be soaked in more. I would say you don’t need sealer. If you’re concerned, do a quick grain fill before the primer instead.
@@BradAngove thank you Brad, I ended up doing grain filler/wood repair type stuff that had bondo in it, sealed the body nicely, then did primer>laquer and it came out pretty nice so far, now I’m waiting for the clear coat. I’ll post a vid with my results. Thank you for making these videos you’re an immense help to all of us. You rock.
Ps...it’s 92% humidity where I live in Texas for the last week, the weather down here sucks for painting and in general.
I’m glad it worked out.
Your videos are super informative and useful. You are very good at answering all the questions that would pop up in the viewers mind. Have watched a ton of your stuff and have learned a lot. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep the vids coming. I appreciate it.
Thank you for watching.
Do you use any open pore sealers on the wood? I'm going to be doing a mahogany guitar soon, wondering if it needs pore filler before priming
I do on certain woods. Mahogany is one of them. It definitely needs a filler.
Can you add another coat of 2K a year later?? I used 2K on my build last year, but I feel I can get a better gloss.
Yes. Sand smooth with 800 grit and add more; that shouldn’t be a problem.
Hi Brad, are there any issues with polishing with a random orbital sander as opposed to a dedicated polisher?
It depends on how hard the clear coat is. I’ve certainly done it; it can just take longer with hard clear coats.
Has anyone used the spraymax 2k to cover a waterslide decal? Any advice on this? I was thinking of using this to clear coat the front of a headstock.
I haven’t, but I understand that it has worked for some of my viewers.
I actually used the 2K clear coat to cover two different Ibanez decals on my headstocks. It works really well. I did 3 coats.
2k is nasty even with respirator. Cover your eyes
Indeed. As it turns out I’m not sure 2K can be filtered properly with a normal respirator. I think you technically need an air-fed one.
Physics; smaller surface area, same pressure, bad things happen at edges.
Too true. Surface tension is also different there I think.
High sorry to comment but on that Ford color for the base coat what did it say on the can when I looked it up it said pacific green metalic on Amazon and that's what is coming up on images on Google and years ago I painted a guitar that exact same color from duplicolor but when I go to the store none of them have it. And when I ordered a can from my local autoparts store what was labeled pacific green was the wrong color there was a calypso green that fox body mustangs used there was cayman green that Ford rangers had prior to 1996. And pacific green metalic that explorers and mustangs used from 1996 to 1998.
Ford did not have that duplicolor makes or made something called calypso blue that's a generic vague term as there are tons of teal calypso blue variations and so if you could reply back with what Exact Ford color that it says on the can that would be great thanks and duplicolor does work well on guitar bodies.
I don’t recall it saying anything about a specific ford color. Just calypso blue. I’ll check if I still have the can though.
@@BradAngove thanks a lot so it said calypso blue on the can it may be that duplicolor discontinued that color and I think I used that color years ago. But I have not been able to find it but if I know the paint code and color I can go to an auto parts store and have it mixed up.
And sorry if I sounded frustrated but for a body I need to paint because I like to use boiled linseed oil first then let it soak that means I can only use oil based paints.
And the other frustration is with the colors I want it's been tough finding them in laquars enamels I am finding but then it's giving me satin matte and that nonsense. Over a basecoat the sheen comes from the clear.
But for me I plan to use deft laquar sealer sandable primer then I Grey primer that's sandable base then clear.
But calypso blue helps.
2500, 2501, whatever it takes
Very few under the age of forty get that reference...Nice!
Brad, great video. Thank you for the tutorial. I just liked and subscribed.
Question for you. I have a Fender Strat in Dakota Red but the finish is a satin finish and although red is fine I can't get used to it being a satin finish. I don't like it. I tried to use car polish to get it glossy but it only makes it a bit shinny but not truly glossy. Is there anything that can be done to make it glossy? Your video you started from scratch, ground zero but mine is already a factory finish. Thanks!
Clean it with wax and grease remover to get the polish off, then sand it smooth with 800 grit, clean again, and then you can go ahead and spray gloss on it.
@@BradAngove Thank you Brad. I appreciate your help. I'll try that.
awesome brad can i get the same result by hand? my tele build no sound and it wire right their was high pitch then nothing i am thinking pickups ,what do u think
You should be able to get the same look by hand, yes.
Here’s a stupid question. Did you flat sand and polish only the front?
For the purpose of this video, yes.
Hey Brad, sorry if you addressed this in the video but how long does the Spraymax 2K take to cure/dry before being ready for the sand back and polishing? Cheers!
24 hours
Awesome thanks for the reply!!
do you have any videos over you clearcoating over a vinyl graphic on a guitar?
Not specifically. I suggest using a bit of adhesion promoter first to help it stick. Then it’s just a matter of building up enough clear (I have a video on building up a thick clear coat).
I painted my guitar and butchered lol I needed to hire someone like you to do it.
Sorry to hear that Mark
I've been experimenting with every finish apart from 2k because I don't have an air-fed mask. I've been wasting my time though I think! Is it ok to use a conventional mask with it? I'm only painting 2 - 3 guitars a year tops.
ventilation is the key. The isocyanates are what get you with these catalyzed paints. basically if you use a regular mask I'd spray outdoors if possible. If you can smell the fumes your mask is failing.
I use a full-face mask, but not an air-fed one. Having a fan or booth to help move fumes away from you is also very helpful. My sense is that if I can't smell it at all and don't get it on myself or experience any irritation, I am probably ok. With that said, I am no expert on the safety aspects of the stuff.
Great video bro - you’re a genius! I just did a 1989 Rickenbacker 2030 Hamburg bass in metallic Bahama blue, with Dupli-color.... thanks to u, it turned out great 👍
Awesome! I’m glad to hear that.
Brad, my dude, where is the online store so I can purchase a METAL pickguard?!
The website is in progress still, so for now I am taking one-off orders through my direct messages on Instagram or via email.
You don’t sand or polish where the pick guard is?
You do if you’re doing an actual guitar finish and not just a test/tutorial
So sand paper after paint was 1200, 2500, and 4000? Just the 3 sizes if I do it by hand correct?
Yes, that should work fine.
@@BradAngove thank you, I'm doing a holoflash nightswan now!
What is the name of the color you used? Thanks.
Calypso blue
Is it possible to do the polishing by hand and get the same results?
It should be possible, it’s just difficult. It’s easier on softer paints.
why is the dust blue? Does the clear coat absorb the color?
The dust isn’t blue. It’s white.
I have a body I couldn't full on wet sand but I managed to moist sand it lol. Just waiting on pads and polish to finish it off
Did you see Texas toast's offer this morning? Hilarious.
I know you are covering all aspects of paint trying to focus on what people can do at home. I've learned a lot about materials and supplies from you.
Yeah. He's got a "big boy" spray gun. 🤣
I saw it; that was quite funny. I'll have to provide them with a polite response next week haha.
Hello Brad , I'd like to finish a Strat body in black with Mohawk or Oxford products , would you have
a video opf yours that could help ? I saw one you did of a black SG with stain . Man do you have lots of videos in there ! lol
It’s the same process, just using black paint.
@@BradAngove Thank you ! Listening to all three parts of ES 335 kir burst now , you're great ! Thanks
Cheers Lou
Brad can you try using a hobby shop paint like Vallejo, Reaper, Games Workshop, Warpaints, Tamiaya or one of severl dozen brands. Then just clear coat with Shellac?
Shellac works with pretty much everything. The only issue is it isn’t very durable. It’s more commonly used as a sealer for wood rather than a clear over some other finish.
@@BradAngove so If I use my hobby paints out for my airbrush, what do you recommend? Sanding sealer, shellac, paint then lacquer?
Shellac can act as your sealer. Then you can use your hobby paints and then clear coat. The clear coat will depend on the paint. Most of them are likely acrylic, so a lacquer over them will generally work fine.
@@BradAngove thanks :)
22:28 it looks like it's still full of deep scratches?
I’m not sure if that’s a question per se, but there was just some polish on it.
so I do have some high quality bench buffers from restoring knives... what compound do I use on lacquer or poly? Blue compound? and red?
I think it’s red and white, but I’m not sure. I don’t use those because I don’t have an appropriate buffer that runs at appropriate speeds.
Sanding left handed on a right handed guitar...
I don’t think there’s a rule against it haha
Keep up to great work on the videos
Thanks, will do!
How long do you wait after your last clearcoat to sand/polish? I've heard 40 - 80 days.
For lacquer? 4-6 weeks usually.
Awesome job. This video is helping me out a lot.
I just wanted to let you know I used your techniques with the Norton Ice and the 3M polish with those buffing pads and I absolutely love the results! Thanks man!
Glad to hear it!
Looks amazing, and I'm especially glad after finishing all that hard work you did not decide to add a heavy relic step.
You can’t really relic a 2k polyurethane finish properly regardless.
Hi Brad, I sanded through some 2K to the base color. I reshot the sanded spot and do not spend $24.00 for 2K for a light touch up. Will Minwax 33050000 Fast-Drying Polyurethane do battle with 2K? The Minwax is much cheaper.
They shouldn’t react per se, but they’re quite different and you’ll probably be able to see the change.
In my experience I do not ever need to go more than 1200 grit (unless it is a tiny scratch i go 4000 wet) and then use a polisher (machine) with a compound. Yes It may take me one more minute or so more but it is more controllable.
Really nice... But your whole video take 23 mins.. That can be get done in 10 mins. Can you talk less??????
No. My viewers stick around for the level of explanation that I provide. I’ve asked them before if they want the videos shortened and the answer has been no.
Hey Brad I know this is an old video but I noticed on your other painting with duplicolor videos you sanded the final coat of primer with 400 grit. Did you sand this one’s primer and paint? Love your videos, thanks!
I sanded the primer on this one I believe, but not the paint because it’s metallic. You could add an acrylic lacquer mid-coat clear and then sand that before the 2K.
Hey Brad I have followed your process to the T. Would it be ok to let the spraymax 2k cure for a week before level sanding? TIA! You're awesome!
Yes, that’s fine. The only issue is it will harden more and thus be more work to polish.
Brad, I've painted 4 guitars using this method and am having a bit of a problem. Around the neck joint on the body, specifically the sides of the block the neck attaches to, I keep getting a white milky type of look in sections. My most recent paint job had the same thing, but also had larger areas of it on the lower back portion. I am using DupliColor Perfect Match paint and SprayMax 2k clear. I am also wet sanding up to 3000 grit, the polishing. I'm assuming it's moisture under the clear, but I don't know. 1) What can I do to stop it from happening, and 2) Is there any way to fix it after it happens. Thanks for all your help and tutorials!
Hi Shawn, I agree that it’s probably humidity under the clear. Have you tried gently using a heat gun on it after?
Great job. I am super shocked at incredible this came out. Especially being from a spray can of paint. The unfortunate part is most of us don't have a compressor and paint booth to do clear or even paint. Dust particles are a serious pain.
If you use the spraymax 2K stuff that I was talking about from the other video I referred to, you won't need a compressor. I will be posting a video shortly about how to reduce dust in your paint jobs.
Killer videos man! Doing my first paint job right now and curious if I need to use the duplicolor first then go to my 2k or should I skip the duplicolor and only use my 2k? Again, love the videos they’ve been SO helpful!
You don’t need to use duplicolor. That’s just what I chose for the color.
I know a guitarist with fat fingers.
Do you mean me?...
I don't need a big bottle of polish...I only see large bottles..., what is the next best option? Mcquires? I want to get the drill attachments to speed up the job for best results any recommendations? 3 pads only needed?
Maguire’s is good. I haven’t used the drill attachments, but they should be fine. I don’t see why you would need more than three pads.
@@BradAngove thanks Brad...I appreciate your engagement with the comments and of course the information you have provided. I have just painted my first guitar in a light metallic blue duplicolor....had some issues with too much paint...runs...was able to sand a bit and layer some more coats....looks great...about to spray the 2k clear ... Sand and polish...very pleased so far.
How long should you wait for the duplicolor to dry before 2K clear? Thanks 👍
I waited a week and had good results.
use the eraser to clean the sand paper...
Somehow I get the sense that would jam it up, but I’ll give it a try.
I applied 2k over Montana gold spray paint. I applied the 2k three days ago. I can still dig my nail into the body and it scratches very easily. I followed all the steps. I'm over in England, its quite cold here but I've got the body inside a warm house. Does it just need longer to cure or is it bad application? Thanks
Are you sure you broke the interior can? It might be a warmth issue.
I've yet to see a tutorial on this subject where flattening and polishing the sides (and especially the internal curves either side of the neck pocket) is shown.
Not surprising. Paint tends to lay out quite flat in those areas so it’s generally not needed.
My duplicolor spattered :(
My cans were warm. And I shook them for several minutes. It happened to my primer and also to my color. Any suggestions?
Have a look at my video on why your cans are spitting. That might be the issue.
yo Brad- just got a can of the Spraymax 2k. how much can 1 can cover?
It depends on how heavy you go, but I suspect I could probably clear coat 2 guitars with 1 can.
does anyone know if duplicolor will react to krylon paints?
Hi! Great video. Today i made 3 layer of 2K spray max, and i would like to ask you how days should i wait until i set up the guitar body? Thank you!
If you’re going to sand and polish, do it within 1-2 days. I would wait a week to set it up, but technically you should be able to after about 1-2 days as well.
I just can't bear to take dry sand paper to a clear coated guitar body. Take an old candle stub, melt or at least soften a bit of it. With a split popsicle stick or other smooth edged small thing nonmetal rub some that candle wax into all the screw holes. DO NOT accidentally smear wax on the body. Now she's ready for trouble free wet sanding. And don't drown the body in mildly soapy water! It doesn't take so much , you'll get the feel of it.
If you’re using high quality paper it doesn’t make much difference, but wet sanding has its merits.
Is there any danger in putting polyurethane over acrylic lacquer?
I haven’t had any problems with it, but I’ve heard of a few people who had issues with peeling.
@@BradAngove how long do you wait between lacquer and poly? Thanks for the video btw
I waited a week on this project.
Hi brad the liquidice xtra cut will do the work without the 3m? In my country 3m is very expensive
Yes, the liquid ice is designed to work on its own.