Blood Bowl 3: Team Power Rankings Explained and Discussed!

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    Recorded March 2023
    Blood Bowl 3: Team Power Rankings Explained and Discussed!
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  • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
    @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว +25

    the 4 Questions:
    1. What Turn is it?
    2. Is the ball safe?
    3. Where is the Blitz?
    4. Where are my 2D blocks?

    • @FoulPet
      @FoulPet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ever going to do a TT version of the list?

    • @pringleton
      @pringleton หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's funny just how the 2nd, 3rd and 4th of those are second nature, but how many times I've forgotten number 1 and misdirected!

  • @Raainmaker
    @Raainmaker ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I main Black Orcs, have played them the most since they came. You have to think about the mass grab as the movement they lack. Instead of walking to the enemy, you pass them around. It is super fun at High TV. Strong Arm troll for easier one turn td, sneaky git dirty player goblin amonst 7 guard pieces for easy removal. They are difficult to play but they can win vs any team

    • @JorisVDC
      @JorisVDC ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, I would like to see you try it vs any speed team. Sure they 'can' win any match-up, but what are the actual odds?
      Looking at their statistics, they are in the same winning percentage as Stunties in tournaments and on FUMBBL.

    • @DeuZerre
      @DeuZerre ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@JorisVDC they just play really differently than most teams and you need a different mindset.
      I have more trouble against bashier teams than agile teams. An agile team, you can't really stop them from getting a touchdown but you will play for the draw and have quite a few tools to grind them down and negate their agility. You grab them between your guys to force them to make bad dodges, you foul them to force them to stand up and risk the dodges.
      Always buy a bribe if you can afford it.

    • @JLO12345678912345678
      @JLO12345678912345678 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JorisVDC againts a speed team they score early because you are destroying their team (7 2/3 dice blocks, stadisticaly, destoys any team, and you can have that from turn 2, or force them to star throwing dodges until they fail) and then, you have a lot of time to score. Protect the ball, slowlly advance and just pass over. Purelly stadisticallly, you have grate posibilities of destroying them.
      and if you start, make sure they don't have a team to play in the second half, score at 8, and then eather they score fast (and you win 2-1) or they don't, anf you destroy them. Also you throw. i mean, People understimate BO. Being slow is the only thing they are bad at. I will say that, with the exeption of lizars, they can win if you know how to play them, quite probably, againts anyone. ON tabletop, i have a record of something like 70% victories. If they don't broke constantlly your BO line, they are fucked if you know how to play BO.

    • @jameshunt6414
      @jameshunt6414 ปีที่แล้ว

      Black orcs are definitely much better than OWA. I think OWA might be the worst team in the whole of BB let alone BB3, to be fair I don't know what jank you can do with OWA with stars, or a skills package, but to me they just seem awful, whereas I think black orcs are OK.

  • @deathbagel
    @deathbagel ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The difference between running a bunch of Chaos Pact linemen and OWA linemen is that Chaos Pact linemen get better skill access since Mutations are primary for them, which can lead to some interesting options for them. Also Chaos Pact gets an AG 4 ball handler and somehow there are more players with Loner on OWA than on Chaos pact, even though you have 4 big guys to choose from on that team.

  • @lyracian
    @lyracian ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Yes! We need the skills guide that will get some discussion going.
    I broadly agree with you. It is very easy to get +MA for a DElf team and there are lots of good Strength skills to either just buy Guard or take a Random.

  • @facesnbases9853
    @facesnbases9853 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only just found your TH-cam channel but already this first vid I've watched has been so useful to frame the teams and to avoid unnecessary handicaps for very average gamers like me. Cheers for sharing.

  • @PenneyBack
    @PenneyBack ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You're looking a lot more comfortable in these videos. Great stuff

  • @DarkSkie99
    @DarkSkie99 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great job as always, +1 for the skills tierlist.

  • @tallguy6982
    @tallguy6982 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciated your guide videos where you slowed down and used paint overlay. Watched all of your orc videos! I think more newer folks like me would benefit from more of those. Maximizing blocks, screening against dodge without tackle on offense and defense, caging against wizard, are some I can think of off the top.

  • @trikk9964
    @trikk9964 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ... this was a fantastic overview and explanation. I greatly appreciate it!

  • @naphackDT
    @naphackDT ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "As an elf coach..."
    Great joke, made me chuckle.

  • @croket07
    @croket07 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I' probably go S with Skaven (rookie/starter.) I would say there is an argument to be made that gutter runners are the current best unit in BB3. Even in BB2 they were likely 2nd only to wardancers. Skaven can pretty easily start with all 4 gutters and you really only have to give up the Rogre, which might be optimal anyways.

    • @backinthelapse
      @backinthelapse ปีที่แล้ว

      The Roger works well with a punching bag linemen who just follows him around. As long as you take your injured pos linemen you don't care about your guaranteed to always make your action.

    • @svenvannimwegen4936
      @svenvannimwegen4936 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're a rookie don't go for skaven. I played a loot but a rookie coach playing wont have a good time. Try human and orcs first or if you want to be agile try wood elves or dark elves. Look you can try once you had 5 games and only had to replace one linerat then you'll probably safe and start to see the plays you're expecting to see (and why you chose them😊

  • @maxschrbrpsi-pok
    @maxschrbrpsi-pok ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Skaven consistently being A or S tier. If only Andy had a good record with skaven he might actually be able to win Challice when it (if) comes to BB3. For me I have always wanted to play rats, but I despise playing against them, maybe now will be the time. Maybe could have added a prefered team tier list, like how much fun you personally have playing a certain teams. Just for the fun, nothing serious would be taken out of your statements.

  • @lockdown6862
    @lockdown6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video! I agree with almost all in the rooky part. Nice to know that I was not wrong about it.

  • @rathenn6959
    @rathenn6959 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would love an updated list

  • @allstarreject
    @allstarreject ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love this!

  • @jonnycage6162
    @jonnycage6162 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis! Your videos rock!! +1 for a skills tier list video

  • @robertpeckham8755
    @robertpeckham8755 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would be cool to see this updated with the 5 teams added since launch

  • @donleon1297
    @donleon1297 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the tier list Andy nice overview , but with a 1800 Black Orcs team with 6 block, MB, guard stand firm or tackle black Orcs, 1 guard stand firmTroll , 7 Gobbos sprinkeled with sidestep , defensive , sneacky git dirty player , kick , leader , blodge you are going to win games

  • @RealScotticus
    @RealScotticus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I chuckled when the Captions translated 'Blood Bowl' as 'Blob all'

  • @cognitiveresonance339
    @cognitiveresonance339 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Haven't tried Blorcs yet, but I get the feeling that they'll have to rely on their troll to Strong Arm goblins into the end zone

    • @Peremptor
      @Peremptor ปีที่แล้ว +9

      When you got to rely on a troll you know you're going to have a rough go at it :D

    • @cognitiveresonance339
      @cognitiveresonance339 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Peremptor True, but they specifically made that troll more reliable. Part of why I think strong arm will be an early upgrade for him.

    • @jodypschaeffer
      @jodypschaeffer ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, they're a Blorc team but the Blorcs themselves don't feature into their playbook. They need to be reworked.

    • @WoWisdeadtome
      @WoWisdeadtome ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Blorcs are just worse lizardmen.
      It's like playing a lizardman team except that every player is double move busted.

    • @JorisVDC
      @JorisVDC ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WoWisdeadtome And their Big Guy is not as useful as it lack prehensile tail. Sure it has Loner (3+) which is just a little better that Loner (4+), you are not wanting to rely on that and Projectile Vomit is better for when you want to deal with Stunties or dodge players in general, but I don't expect my opponents to leave these players next to my Troll anyways.

  • @dasglaubichnich
    @dasglaubichnich ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay Rankings!

  • @gjnoronh
    @gjnoronh ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t forget at very high team values move up becomes more common on sweepers and ball handlers. After 1-2 skills a lot of initially “has the tools it needs to do it’s job” players may want to save for stat ups rather then add in second rate skills. Move +2 is pretty common on FUMBBL high team value ball carriers. That might elevate some teams held back by a lack of a one turner or difficulty dealing with other teams speed.

  • @lockdown6862
    @lockdown6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am curious what we will find out once we get a ladder and more hight TV games

  • @lockdown6862
    @lockdown6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the point where you say: "as an Elf coach..."

  • @onetastic4921
    @onetastic4921 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks. That's very helpful for beginners. How would you put the Lizardmen into these tables?

  • @christopherblackburn6811
    @christopherblackburn6811 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    You will need another tier once Ogres and Snotlings come out.

    • @jaybishop4224
      @jaybishop4224 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stunties!

    • @christopherblackburn6811
      @christopherblackburn6811 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jaybishop4224 S+++ sounds about right

    • @Mabujold
      @Mabujold ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait for the S+ Gobbos

    • @HarryBuddhaPalm
      @HarryBuddhaPalm ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ogres are quite a bit better in this ruleset and Snotlings are actually pretty good. Riotous Rookies, Swarming, a very low TV with a ton of inducements to work with, and a lot of fouling is really good. Several Snotling teams went really deep into the FUMBBL Cup this year.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      G tier, Garbage

  • @mattiasljung317
    @mattiasljung317 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bwahahaaaa!
    Who is the other crazy Nurgle coach? Who will I be hanging out with on top of Mt Everest?
    Loved the video!
    /Hyperbrain

  • @lockdown6862
    @lockdown6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now we have the first BB3 CCL with the top 16 teams, most of the high TV. Among those are 6 Dwarf Teams, 4 Orks, and one of Nurgle, Pro Elfes, Dark Elfs, Chaos Chosen, Black Ork and OWA. No Skaven Choach made the cut. Humans, Nobility and Renegades are missing too. I thik the took the first 16 Teams with no race cap in the first season.

  • @chrispierson7151
    @chrispierson7151 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like OWA. The mixture of Dwarf sturdiness and Human ball handling is fun I think. Plus they start with skills unlike Chaos Renegades.

  • @irishrounder2315
    @irishrounder2315 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blorcs murder at high tv I just took 6 cas on my orc team at 1600 tv bunch of mb guard spam with a sgdp goblin kicking everything. Lucky to get a draw do to getting a few lucky early removals on my drive after only having 4 orcs left while defending.

  • @BlindTimeLord
    @BlindTimeLord 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Heya Andy
    Cool video as always. Thanks for posting. Was just wondering if you had a road map for teams coming out in BB3? I can't seem to find anything anywhere. Although in comparison Total War Warhammer 3 has a road map for upcoming content. How long do you think it'll be until all the teams are out and what's coming next? :)

  • @BBBaka123
    @BBBaka123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do a tabletop version 🙏

  • @Rhovhanion
    @Rhovhanion ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could break this down further into, private league play rankings, public matchmaking rankings, and rankings once redrafting is enabled.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Rob - I think I could have gone much deeper, what stopped me really was time - It was already 35mins. Good point though!

  • @brianvanwyk6817
    @brianvanwyk6817 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you get the win loss data? If it’s from the game snd it’s not excluding first half “nope” concessions it is going to greatly inflate teams like chaos or dwarves.

  • @trevorclapham5571
    @trevorclapham5571 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I proved to my friends that dwarves were the best starting team. I asked my brother to lend me his dwarves and I will win the tournament we were going into. My friends and brother laughed at me.
    Anyways, I got the last laugh.
    Champion!

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      for dwarves to be the best they would need a favourable ruleset.

    • @trevorclapham5571
      @trevorclapham5571 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AndyDavoBloodBowl I don’t think the rule set should favour any team.

  • @matthewsale9296
    @matthewsale9296 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skills list! Yes please.

  • @AzimovTube
    @AzimovTube ปีที่แล้ว

    Where would you put lizards now they are out?

  • @rizzgubstjr8577
    @rizzgubstjr8577 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Maybe an odd question on an old video but I play bloodbowl 2. How would you rank those teams?

  • @davidbrown8372
    @davidbrown8372 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cool video thankyou very detailed as you have covered different TV
    When we get the 4th team you going to revisit this?

  • @pandainjail
    @pandainjail ปีที่แล้ว +4

    OWA is my favourite but I agree with you. It suck on every tv rating. Animosity and Loner for half of players. Who the hell design this team rules. 😂

  • @Ryan-The-Super-Lion
    @Ryan-The-Super-Lion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you reallt know how to play nurgle, they are extremely efficient.
    Their strengths, if utilized properly, can take advantage of any other team's weaknesses. Also, if you know how to prevent the other team from taking advantage of your weaknesses, you have a counter for anything they try.
    Hint - 35:54 If you play as nurgle and take the rotspawn - expect to lose.

  • @philipcash7605
    @philipcash7605 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Disagree with your assessment on beginning tiers, Skaven, DE, Orc are tier S regardless of if you can purchase all stuff. Humans probably A or B, considering lack of str or AGI

  • @sebleshah9712
    @sebleshah9712 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Andy ? I'm curious to see where you put team like wood elves and undead 😊

  • @MrCABman1972
    @MrCABman1972 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really good and probably accurate representation... might disagree on the Black Orc and I would likely bump them up a notch on the lower tiers. They are just difficult to play with low movement.
    For me personally mostly playing the boardgame in leagues team values above 1500 is a rarity with 6-10 games a season depending on number of team in a division. I don't think the core game is really made for much higher team values than around 1500 to be honest. This is when the game starting to become more luck based than skill based to be honest and many teams loose their identity as most teams seem to be built very similar.
    The redraft after 6-10 games "fix" most problems I have had with the game for a long while and I have played this game since first edition, so a long time. I also think that the league system where you gain 3p for a win and inly 1p for a draw and extra points if you score 3 goals or manage to make 3 proper casualties also impact how games are played in a positive way, less 2-1 grinds (which essentially is playing for the draw) and gaining more money for each score also open up gameplay a bit more as well.
    This also make individual team rankings a bit different but overall I don't think they differ all that much. Dwarves certainly I think is strong, but in a league they still struggle a bit with actually winning and winning with at least 3 goals as well. As they can't rely so much on attrition over the course of several seasons, they drop a bit in my book.
    But for BB3 I think you are very accurate...

  • @Kmwallace90
    @Kmwallace90 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've had a lot of fun with Imperial Nobility, I'm excited for Claw Mighty Blow to obliterate my joy later on

    • @issacdiff3286
      @issacdiff3286 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's really not very prominent now because of how skill progression works and gw nerfed how they work together

    • @khancethehunter2389
      @khancethehunter2389 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You won't have to worry, this isn't BB2 so you are safe.

  • @panenka7656
    @panenka7656 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skills Tier please Andy.

  • @lockdown6862
    @lockdown6862 ปีที่แล้ว

    On hight team Value the Elfen Union get an incredible strong one turn. Mv+ Sprint sidestep on a Catcher... Thrower to bring him the ball... NoS kicks in too... Hard to win a game when the don't die

    • @FoulPet
      @FoulPet ปีที่แล้ว

      Now that you can pick skills wouldn't most agility team be able to make one turn catchers and accurate passers?

  • @karbon4542
    @karbon4542 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rabble! Rabble rabble!

  • @chr1s_376
    @chr1s_376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    where i can find a vid with skills showcase, and synergies? or can you do a video abt it?

  • @cutekitten9856
    @cutekitten9856 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Nurgle is easily a C tier at 1360-1750. At this point Warriors all would have block or better, you will have a very solid ball carrier and safety with pestigors, guard stand firm beast, etc.

  • @maximusest40kwarfare73
    @maximusest40kwarfare73 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good list, i think black elves get a little better as they go on but solid list

  • @ELECTRIK_VISION1
    @ELECTRIK_VISION1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always tempted to put Nurgle in S imo they suffer less attrition because of foul appearance and can control better with disturbing presence against the AG teams as well as being able to cause lots of pain, it just takes 40 games to get there sadly

    • @JorisVDC
      @JorisVDC ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, they can be good, yet with Rotters being only AG 4+, it limits the potential of the team a lot as they only have access to 4x AG3 players.

    • @ELECTRIK_VISION1
      @ELECTRIK_VISION1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JorisVDC yeah that’s true but rotters are meant for that being really cheap and at the higher team values you probably have a few spare for los or fouling, you definitely don’t want to foul with anything else

  • @windwalker7154
    @windwalker7154 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In my own experience, I see teams with great stats and low skill start get better with TV, and teams that starts with meh stats and positionals that rely on skills from the start to be strong out of the box but drop-off quickly. Other things enter into account ofc like skill access, and it's not a binary it's definetly a spectrum, look at slann who have average to mid-decent stats, and technically start with a butt load of skills, but those skills are not that useful at the start but actually get better with other skills, and ofc the incredible skill access, ending up with a team that generally struggles at low TV but has great potential.

    • @marknezanuto
      @marknezanuto ปีที่แล้ว

      Truth outside dwarf. Dwarfs have suck stats outside armor but rock in hight TV couse there tackle vs aglee teams and troll slaying vs high str become more helpful.

    • @windwalker7154
      @windwalker7154 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marknezanuto I kinda disagree, I don't think dwarves have it easy at high TV. I think Andy should have dropped them a tier at mid TV and again at high. They're not bad, but there's just so little potential from their positional. Beards get guard and stand firm, and they're basically done. There's some other stuff you can put on them but it enters "is it worth the TV ?" territory. Blitzers have it a bit better, but you basically build them the same way, maybe juggernaut can be nice. Slayers are not that useful, as pointed out by Andy in his guide. You can take them, and they are probably better at low TV with all their starting skill, especially to counter strength 4 before you have guard. But then, they start to become a liability. The armour loss is felt, Frenzy is nice for surfing but the low mobility of the team makes much more vulnerable to traps. Unfortunatly the movement 5 isn't enough to boost the overall mobility of the team, as the slayers need to be protected. As for the runners, they're probably the biggest counter-argument for my point. They develop amazingly. One built as ball-carrier with block, dodge, on the ball, maybe sprint, safe hands, sure feet. One sacker/safety, with wrestle, strip ball, tackle, they really allow you to open up your game more at high tv, as you're not as worried about catchers infiltrating your backlines and you don't need to worry as much about babysitting your ball-carrier as heavily.
      Sorry for the long post.

    • @marknezanuto
      @marknezanuto ปีที่แล้ว

      @@windwalker7154 did not played as high tv dwarves but played vs them by old amazon team, it was one of the most painful match fore me ever. Cant run around couse tackle, cant fight vs them couse high armor, block and gard, literally no way to stop them from scoring and quiet hard to get touchdown myself. Maybe to team with better basic stats like str and dex it woud be more eazy, but human and even goblins is still on the board.

    • @windwalker7154
      @windwalker7154 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marknezanuto at high TV a lot of team will have tackle spam. Now, I'm not arguing that dwarves aren't strong, and they are definitly top-tier at low TV, especially against amazon (ouch). But I do think they lose their top tier status at mid-high TV, where they are more middle of the pack.
      For your situation, as dwarf player myself, I would argue that you might try to outscore the dwarves with quick touchdowns. Dwarves are not as straight-forward as they may seem : against a competent opponent, you often need close to perfect positioning to keep the situation under control.
      On my larger opinion of dwarves, I do agree with Andy, they do deserve a nerf/rework.

  • @PhotoReactionVideos
    @PhotoReactionVideos ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome guide, as always Andy, thank you.
    A skills guide would be great!
    Don’t hate on Dwarfs. The positioning challenges make them fun, plus their fluff (and beards)!

  • @NisGaarde
    @NisGaarde ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish they had just given us the classic board game 3e races. We get 3 different kinds of Humans (if you count Old World Alliance), 3 different kinds of Chaos, but no Undead. No Wood or High Elves. No Chaos Dwarfs. It's a weird choice imo.

    • @Player-sz8jk
      @Player-sz8jk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We actualy have 4 kinds of chaos with no undead

    • @Peremptor
      @Peremptor ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's obvious they wanted to pad out the team list as much as possible with as few assets as possible and leave a lot of the most loved teams for latter to keep teh buzz going for their season passes.

    • @NisGaarde
      @NisGaarde ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Player-sz8jk Chosen, Renegades, Nurgle. Which one do you count as the 4th?

    • @Player-sz8jk
      @Player-sz8jk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NisGaarde skaven

    • @travelalfapet
      @travelalfapet ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Player-sz8jk In BB meta no way are skaven a chaos team, I don't care what the fluff says

  • @jamesdrummond7684
    @jamesdrummond7684 ปีที่แล้ว

    basing tiers on "giving up stuff: in the beginning doesn't make sense, it should be based on how effective they are (ie, win rate).

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      The win rate is the consideration, impacted by roster balance, which is, in essence, giving up stuff or not.

  • @sfquigle
    @sfquigle ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the guide but holy hell will this kind of analysis get complicated as new teams/meta emerge, though I guess TT experience can kind of help with this kind of analysis.

    • @sfquigle
      @sfquigle ปีที่แล้ว

      Skills guide version would be very helpful - but you might want to hold off until the game resolves most of it's issues. I'm not planning to buy until it seems like the product is a full release (instead of its current broken-beta vibe) and things might change on the road to that level of game doneness.

  • @ChoiceSocks
    @ChoiceSocks ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you suggest we name the new tier above S for Khorne?

  • @marknezanuto
    @marknezanuto ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How many rerolls should you buy in each point of game? Is it good idea to buy coach helpers and cheerleaders in any point of game?

    • @dasglaubichnich
      @dasglaubichnich ปีที่แล้ว

      Most teams want to start with 2 or 3. Every team should go up to 3 after a few games and a few teams like Skaven for example, want to maybe go up to 4 or 3 and a player with the leader skill, which gives you an extra reroll.
      And coaches and cheerleaders are not a good idea as far as I can see. They just increase your Teamvalue and don't do enough. When you're 1300 TV and facing an opponent with 1300 TV and you have cheerleaders and he has actual skills like block etc, you will wish you had those skills too :D

    • @samuelcalvet7516
      @samuelcalvet7516 ปีที่แล้ว

      3-4 rr max. Cheerleaders and coach helpers are absolutely useless

    • @marknezanuto
      @marknezanuto ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dasglaubichnich so even in 1700 tv there is not god idea to increase you tv by 5th reroll?

    • @Peremptor
      @Peremptor ปีที่แล้ว

      Previously he's said that max 3 rerolls plus leader... maybe four at high enough TVs if you are a elf player for pulling off their shenanigans.

    • @shilvor
      @shilvor ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marknezanuto At that point I would prefer to have less TV than my opponents and buy extra-rerolls in inducement. Also, if all your team have block (hypothetical), you'll burn less rerolls on blocking actions. The more skills you have, the less reroll you'll need. Buying a 5th reroll is increasing your TV, may give your opponent more inducement money so they could "even" the match by buying extra rerolls, and so you don't get any advantage.
      I usually turn around 3-4 reroll. 4reroll on nurgle teams is ridiculously costly, even if they need it at first :c

  • @jodypschaeffer
    @jodypschaeffer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the reasons Blorcs are so bad is because they're a stunty team that's trying not to be one. They need to be reworked.

  • @tyrano1982
    @tyrano1982 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm a bit too late... But I think Chaos renegades should be on c and humies on b. Chaos renegades if your bg decide to be dumb... Nothing you can do, humans, at least, they have a thrower with 2+ pass sh and pass, catchers with ma8 and 4 beautifull blitzers. Also cheap rr vs 70k xD

  • @VicerExciser
    @VicerExciser ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think Black Orcs would be significantly better by simply subbing out 2 goblins for 2 blitzers, or even regular linemen. Being forced to field 4 goblins is a joke, they die instantly and then you have to try and defend runs with 4 movement...The only team I truly feel is outright unbalanced, even OWA has some wiggle room for success but playing Black Orcs is just masochistic.

    • @naphackDT
      @naphackDT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel like giving them access to a new positional would be great... But it should be something fragile, think of something like a kicker with the hobgoblin statline. Turning black orcs into a slightly different orc team by adding more high armor pieces would be a huge waste.

    • @flaponion
      @flaponion ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think they should have had snotlings instead of underworld from a balance perspective. Maybe not fluff wise though .

  • @TheWaffleRadio
    @TheWaffleRadio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I disagree humans are S tier, personally. I think orcs outclass them--they give up 1MA on a couple pieces, but gain a bunch of S4, still have AG3+ and sure hands, block, etc. I know your criteria might be different (ie what you give up, cant field everything).... But I think it's not super useful to categorize things exclusively on that. If orcs are a more powerful team at rookie TV, it doesn't really matter that they have to give up a troll or w/e. Just my opinion, love your presence in the BB community!

  • @carlstockenberg2785
    @carlstockenberg2785 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i disagree regarding Black Orcs. At 1300 TV they are not bad. Guard on all, a sneaky git and stand firm or guard troll. Yes, no block, but brawler makes up for that to some extent. After that a smattering of cheap str access. Stand firm and a few mighty blow. No skills needed on goblins, but they do have access to defensive. All that grab is extremely "controlly" and good in a brawl around the sidelines. Struggle against dwarves and good elf coaches of course. But chaos and renegades are not dangerous at around 1300. I would put them just below middle.

    • @shilvor
      @shilvor ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of my mid TV against black orcs with my nurgle team would be resumed to: Isolate the goblins, kill the goblins, out-paced the orcs. I still have a pretty hard time because their bashing game is far from bad and my team lacks a lot of skills at that TV, but the pestigors do the job once you get the goblins out of the way.
      Black orcs are absolutely not trash, but I agree with them beeing more a "middle of the pack" team because they rely on fragile players to do what their good players can't do (and with disturbing presence stacking, they really have a hard time picking up the ball without gobs).
      I'm not there yet, but I'm willing to face a Black orcs team once I get some claws on my team, to see if I can get more done by beeing agressive.

  • @derricktindal893
    @derricktindal893 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't understand why what a team is missing as a rookie team factors in? Who cares if you're missing player X? All that matters is the strength of the team you can get as rookies.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's about how good the roster is at rookie level, vs how good it could have been. Dark elves are playing with 7 ma6, str3, ag2+ players, no skills. Not strong.
      They could of had 2 ma7 frenzy, dodge players, but cant afford it.

  • @condorgaming4000
    @condorgaming4000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im new to blood bowl but I made an OWA team because it reminded me of Lord of the rings for some reason. Now everything I see about them says they are terrible. Should've done my research 😞

  • @joshuahalliwell100
    @joshuahalliwell100 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where would you place lizardmen 🦎 🦎 🦎

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ooih, I'll do a new power rankings after the next team is out.
      Nice 1

  • @NeinDao
    @NeinDao ปีที่แล้ว

    where is the lizardmen?

  • @sirrenface9755
    @sirrenface9755 ปีที่แล้ว

    And now dwarfs can sage their points To get counter gaurd

  • @obeastness
    @obeastness ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the OWA actually could be maybe a B tier or even A tier at low team value, I built a 650,000TV OWA team, I've been able to bring at least griff with me in every match so far, and be an absolute gremlin at low TV. gonna keep playing them and see how good of a record I can do without going up in TV.

  • @andyfrom1993
    @andyfrom1993 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would say Nurgle are better than BO at lower TVs. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      whats better, a chocolate teapot or a snowman in the dessert?

    • @ThanatosSlayer
      @ThanatosSlayer ปีที่แล้ว

      Thing is that Nurgle may not be able to afford all of their players on their roster, it will still be better than the Blorcs roster.
      I've played Blorcs, and they can afford all their toys only because they only have 3 toys.

  • @drazharr9773
    @drazharr9773 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really hope you start playing black orcs because it's obvious you have no experience playing them. I'm not saying they deserve a higher rating or whatever but your analysis of the team is just non-existant. You're basically saying they suck and that's it. I guess it's clear now why your BO guide was the shortest and worst of the guide series aswell. Cheers.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      It was 1st guide and it was based mostly on theory crafting, research talking to experienced coaches who have used them.
      They are factually worse than most other teams in bb3. Am I an expert with them, no, am I way off, I also think no. I'll accept I'm not bang on, sure

  • @Koby19841
    @Koby19841 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like you fully missed the Wood elves Andy.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This video was accurate as of time of release. Its missing the races releasd since; Woodies, undead, lizards and Underworld.

    • @Koby19841
      @Koby19841 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And to a lesser extent High elves. Also there are none of the stunty teams, but Andy don't like those. Understandable that the teams of legend aren't in there.

    • @Koby19841
      @Koby19841 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AndyDavoBloodBowl Would be cool to see another of these tier lists somewhere around the end of 2024 when most of the teams should be present.

  • @Dalenator1
    @Dalenator1 ปีที่แล้ว

    "not really a black orc coach"
    I give it until the first "what team should I play" vote when BB3 is fixed!

  • @Salubrious388
    @Salubrious388 ปีที่แล้ว

    I play Elven Union and struggling with keeping my players alive as I’m almost always going against bashy teams!!!
    I saw that AndyDavo’s downgraded the EU because of armour yet Skaven and Dark Elves remained high. How does that work? I’m a newish player and I’m starting to think that Blood Bowl needs the high armour teams, sadly these teams feel boring to play (for me).
    I had levelled up an Orc team in campaign mode and that was super quick and fun!! But I think that’s because the AI was lacking quite a bit.
    I do think I’m struggling because of server stability too. Getting injuries and then the server kicks you out and you don’t have the gold to buy players back makes for a poor experience, not to mention the loss of the SPP you had earned along the way!!!

    • @FoulPet
      @FoulPet ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm no expert, but from what I gather. Stay away from them as much as possible.. Don't get into a bash war. Pick targets wisely. The last game I watched , he got crushed by a bash team that was rolling well. Sometimes, the dice are against you. The less you roll, the less they can screw you up. I'm still learning and played through all the races in BB2 and BB3.
      Most of the teams in 3 ATM aren't as well rounded IMHO as in 2 till they get released. Necro and Lizards are great because they have both bash and speed.
      Necro is getting change so not sure I'll still like it.
      The new rat ogre is decent. Just don't stand next to it. That adds a bit of bash, but you're probably not winning a bash war with it. My ultimate suggestion is..

    • @FoulPet
      @FoulPet ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Play the team that gives you the most problems. You'll see it from their perspective and how they think. This may help in developing strategies when you see their weaknesses and strengths.
      Most of the time the weakness is probably going to be movement and agility. A black orc isn't going to catch a gutter runner even on a good day.

    • @nunzioalioto2420
      @nunzioalioto2420 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perpetual League favors the bash teams for staying power. Doesn't stop me from playing Eleven Union though. Find wins to be 'easy' as long as you are careful at low to mid tiers. Spammed guard and mighty blow make it difficult at high tiers.

  • @ChickenC3
    @ChickenC3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    big brain

  • @DeuZerre
    @DeuZerre ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't agree on black orcs being a c tier team. B tier certainly.
    The thing is, they're a new-ish team and people have no idea on how to use them. They're like dwarves and grind their opposition down. you use grab to organise fouls and surf players, but when and how is a complicated question for new coaches. So they have an OK start, or actually a good start even with 3 rr and 6 BO, but they are not beginner friendly.

  • @sirrenface9755
    @sirrenface9755 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nobility twam is s they can Stop a lot of teams with skills

  • @diamondmeeple
    @diamondmeeple ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are sure really productive.

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thank you

    • @diamondmeeple
      @diamondmeeple ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndyDavoBloodBowl The changes to reduce damage combos and the reduction of the chance of players dying... probably saved the game for me. The passing thing was also good.

  • @khancethehunter2389
    @khancethehunter2389 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh, boy can't wait to see him say elfs are super weak..... despite having the best stats for Blood bowl, why do you think everyone and their mums want AG4 on their teams? (*Spoilers its not cause they hit harder, its cause it make the core aspect of the game a joke)

  • @MrUnderwood246
    @MrUnderwood246 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A greenskins alliance would be amazing team BO O G S

  • @ItsCDoc
    @ItsCDoc ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t understand how the orcs are just better than black orcs

  • @lepakko3051
    @lepakko3051 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Im going to be the "as*hole" Around 3:00 you say Chaos Renegates, but you are pulling and talking about Chaos Chosen. ok.. im back to watching video...Sorry.. dont hate me. Btw i wonder if anyone can beat Nurgle at bottom at anypoint...Exiting! Nurgle with comeback at the end. Skill ranking would be cool.

  • @joseluki
    @joseluki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best starting team is no doubt Undead, but BB3 has not it and will charge extra $ for it.

    • @user-xp3in6bx7q
      @user-xp3in6bx7q ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It will be obtainable for free

    • @khancethehunter2389
      @khancethehunter2389 ปีที่แล้ว

      gotta get that Battlepass money, it's the future of gaming y'know! (since lootboxes are Illegal)

    • @joseluki
      @joseluki ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-xp3in6bx7q How?

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Free in a year, possibly sooner

  • @wescha
    @wescha ปีที่แล้ว

    Khemri. Settled. Comments off.

  • @sirrenface9755
    @sirrenface9755 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dwarf teams are still s late game you dont know how good they are i already have a good teamm with 2 runners and a piledriver steaky git slayer

  • @issacdiff3286
    @issacdiff3286 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to get matches in against you Andy. I don't have the money to donate but wish I could thanks for the great vids man from one long time coach to another happy blocking 🙂

    • @AndyDavoBloodBowl
      @AndyDavoBloodBowl  ปีที่แล้ว

      Delighted you watch! Maybe we will play some day

    • @issacdiff3286
      @issacdiff3286 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndyDavoBloodBowl that would be great fun

    • @robertstorm5048
      @robertstorm5048 ปีที่แล้ว

      My brother started playing BB3 recently and he was matched up with Andy yesterday!! Obviously Andy destroyed him 😢😂😂

  • @gingertam9138
    @gingertam9138 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say chaos chosen should be a higher tier all their beastmen get ST4 on blitzing and have access to general strength and mutations making beastmen amazing ball carriers as soon as you get 6 spp chaos blockers having the same access is amazing deffo think you put chaos chosen in the wrong tier missed the mark on that one nobility are not A Tier by far they should be B Tier