Blood Bowl 3: Skills Tier List! - What Are The Most Powerful Blood Bowl Skills?
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Recorded March 2023
Blood Bowl 3: Skills Tier List! - What's Hot and What's Not
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Pro is such a great skill because it makes you reroll not a set of dice for a 4+, but a single dice for a 3+.
What it means is that you don't use it just when you have to "save" a roll to avoid a turnover, instead you can, for example, roll a 2dice block, get double push, use pro to reroll one of the pushes.
So, if it doesn't work, no problem, u got the push, if it does work it gives you the chance to roll a knockdown on one of your 2 dice, not risking anything on a skull because you got the other push result as a backup.
I would definitely put Dodge in S tier, it both effects the block dice AND allows you to move around the field, AND blodge is the most OP two-skills combo in the game (maybe with blackle). And I would put Sneaky Git in A, so basically swap the two of them. Everything else I agree with.
💯 Tackle is A-Tier and “you want 3 or 4 of it on your team” precisely because dodge is so good.
@@mloffel5027 it’s especially good on ag4 players . As then you can actually make reliable dodges . With ag3, failing with 1/9 chance is too high to plan around.
Dodge allows the elven playstyle. Without it every marked player is basically glued, unless you like gambles...
In addition you change the outcome of one the dice when attacked, keeping a star player alive or not loosing the ball.
I think even if split into two skills people would still take them (a B or C tier).
So definitely one of the best skills in the game.
@@teambellavsteamalice it’s not good on my dwarfs. I’m not going to try to dodge on. 4+ with a dodge re roll on my ag2 guys.
But it gives the defensive part true.
@@patinho5589
Yeah, for sure no dodging, just for the defensive part.
And because on dwarf linemen with guard there isn't much you need. Might as well try to get +1 MA, lots of xp but only 20 points for basically an extra blitzer. I especially dislike just 1 movement when standing up. Dodge can then be a nice consolation prize. Also nice on runners.
Loving the new content!
If you get a chance, could you make a part 2, where you start from the very end of this video, and discuss:
1. Which skills move up or down in Tournament play (and briefly, why)
2. Which skills move up or down based on the type of team being played (bash, dash, or hybrid)
Thanks for the great content!
Talking about the skills' color, the listed skills in the video are based by skill usage, which is a new BB3 system you can choose to have.
In that case you have:
Skills used in blocks and aggressive actions (fouling...): Orange
Skills used when moving and movement related actions (jumping...): Green
Skills used when interacting with the ball: Blue
Skills that give access to special actions (Throw team-mate, stab...): Purple
Miscellaneous skills: Yellow
If some skills are used in 2 cases (like Dodge being used both during block and when moving), they have both colours.
I hope it helps a little bit when seeing all those skills. :)
Thank you!!
Oh I wondered what the theming behind the colours were.
I see you can change them to be coloured by skill category in the options.
Pro is essential on Vampires, because it basically halves the chance of them suffering Bloodlust, which actually enables you to run a 6 vampire team, something usually impossible because unless you score fast and often you're going to run out of thralls to feed on with more than 4.
But Bloodbowl 3 doesn't have vampires yet, nor Ogres (who also have a large number of players who have to throw dice every action), so it is not as good. But vampires in particular you usually plan your vampire actions around your thralls positioning, so failing the pro roll is not the worst, but succeeding means you don't need to risk a thrall. And if you don't use it on bloodlust it can still be used to risk-free improve double-dice blocks, which vampires usually get.
I am horrified looking at that new mutation skill "On the Ball" mainly because I imagine it to be very unpleasant for the player who has the mutation.
I thought defensive would be taken more by Elf like teams and that is why it is an Agility skill.
Would certainly fit with Nurgles being annoying theme, though a lot of SPP on a slow level bloater.
I guess you forgot to mention one other use for Wrestle and that's putting it on ballhawks. Coupled with Tackle and/or Strip Ball your chance of getting the ball out of blodger's hands are pretty good as you now effectively have 50% chance of getting the ball when blocking a blodger with sure hands (assuming 1 die block), against non-sure hands player it's effectively a guaranteed ball out of their hands (lest you only roll skulls).
Great idea! Been loving your bb3 coverage.
Break tackle is really good now for stuntys
Passing skills that needed joining, bang on ( or just not to be separated in the first place
thumbs up
Thanks for the great vid. This will certainly help me with my future teams.
Cheers for this excellent breakdown. I'm definitely guilty of going for those situational skills because you don't see them often and for the hope of a swingy memorable moment but in reality the better game experience will be going with what's reliable. Good stuff.
Have a friend trying to get me to get BB3 (we both have 2) but I feel like they haven’t earned our money the way the game is now.
BB2 Legendary is the best value I've seen on a game. BB3 is among the worst value I've seen for a game. With the broken AI, half the game locked and the Mico transactions to unlock EVERYTHING it's awful. I picked it up to see for myself so I wasn't just going off hearsay. It's worse that I thought it would be.
And you surprise me with ranking monstrous moth as worse than catch. It does the same + a little bit more. It can't be worse! The Gutter runner or the swarming snot in the Underworld team will never skill catch. The Dark Elf in the Renegates team won't use catch but...
Great video but a little logical blunder here
I think he read it or understood it wrong, quite frankly. It's a solid skill for certain players.
Great video!
Wrestle is good as a counter to block which is the universal must take. It also doesn't cause a turnover as it doesn't apply both down.
I consider Strip Ball situational because it only works on players without Sure Hands
It also makes a coach carry the ball on a sure hands player. so can change the way a coach approaches offense.
Pro weirdly works well with Black Orcs furthering Brawler as a discount block by allowing 2 single dice rerolls on bad blocks
It might be good to do skill tiers for role (blitzer, lino, thrower, etc), since all the ones for a thrower are pretty much situational by default.
Andy! I played Necromantic into wood elves today, and watching your vids over the past week netted me the win, even though the dice gods abandoned me. Gratitude!
For throwers I roll the skills random because almost all of them are worth except for a few
Thick skull prevents more than half of all KOs.
There are two results that lead to KO, 8 and 9, but they are not equally likely to happen (5/36 possible results for 8 vs. 4/36 for 9) . There are more dice combinations that add up to 8 than add up to 9, so over the course of a season thick skull will prevent more than half of all KO results suffered.
Pro is great on a great player. I recently won a local friends only tourney with woodies. My best player was a (obviously) dancer with (in order) Strip Ball, Tackle, PRO, Catch(random). Tackle might seem stupid after strip, but 1 tackle dancer as a priority blitzer is a MUST. Final was vs humans with insane catchers. Tackle... pretty good. planting the lowest AV player into the ground vs just popping the ball was huge.
I mainly used pro on safe blocks (push/skull etc) or the few times I tried to leap in these very restrictive times. 3+ 1 dice I feel is so much better than 4+ both dice. Means you can keep a safe reult (push) and reroll a shitty result.
I'd also put shadowing on the horrednously bad awful list. Again as woodies I got a random Shadowing. It got used a total of 0 times. Vs Orcs, Rats, Gobs, Ogres. He got fired in the final to save me 10k TV.
Also the nerf to leap is horrendous. And annoyingly mathy. Even on a pro dancer. Used to be a 3+ into negative block. Now 4+ maybe 5. Woodies got shat on in 2020, If I could rate them they're .1.5/2.5 bottom of tier 1, top of tier 2
There are some skills that I feel are much higher or lower tier depending on whether you had to spend SPP on it or not.
For example, I agree with your placement of thick skull when taken as an advance on a player. I rank it as A tier when it is on a dwarf for example who gets it at no additional investment other than buying the player. Staying on the pitch is a good way not to struggle and a 0 SPP thick skull keeping more than half your KO results on the pitch certainly helps with that.
Great video to build tabletop teams to
I have pro on my troll slayers to give them an extra dauntless shot, or reroll a safe 2d to try and get a push for surfing
I would argue Fend is at least a B tier, a single fend piece won't do much I agree, but 3 to 5 fend pieces on a line and you can completely stall out your opponent making any real ground on the pitch
Where did i put it? C tier probably.
@@AndyDavoBloodBowl yep
I think Horns might be a B/C tier skill on gutter runners or underworld goblins (what are those?). Over all teams, I agree with making it situational though :p
Additionally, I would've liked to see some dividers between the different skill trees, like put them in columns or something. But I imagine this may have stretched the screen a bit too much horizontally.
I've been playing blorcs on table top and managed to induce Bomba in my last 2 games.
Nuffle bless accurate!
As an elf coach, i would put dodge in the S tier. Though i understand why a bash coach might rate it lower.
I'm defence a bash coach, but dodge is S in my book too. The reason to have tackle be A tier after all.
Even when not dodging out of tackle zones, affecting a dice result defending is super strong. Maybe even worth a secondary to keep a ball carrier standing or give a star player more longevity.
A str 4 blodge, guard, SF player is a terrible thing to face and a great one to have.
I'd see these tiers as a combination how much value it brings and the number you want (1-2, 3-5, or 6+).
Block and Guard are super, I love them.
I'll give another look into dirty player and sneaky git, but too high I'd say.
Mighty Blow is the next pick for sure, top A maybe?
Dodge and Tackle are great too, although dodge mostly if a primary skill and good AG. The go to secondary skill if you random attribute but don't get what you want (MA best value for points, if xp isn't an issue). Good on a sacker.nAt higher TV and guard everywhere, defensive might be better and nice on a strong player.
Wrestle is a nice counter if many have block and guard. And to sack a ball carrier. I love frenzy also, but I sometimes have the situation I need an assist and the second block doesn't have it. So both would be A tier, but drop as you only need two or so.
I'm not convinced by strip ball, I think it's terrible. Decent ball carriers have sure hands and you need to get that specific sacker on the ball carrier first. So not even 1.
Several skills are meh or nice if you get them half price randoming. I think sidestep or stand firm might be nice against good players.
So many bad skills btw, but many exist to be given as freebies to certain factions or roles. All passing skills are terrible imo. If you play a passing team the skills you need will be built into thrower/catcher already.
Better to just smash the other team until you have a majority, then worry about the ball.
Nice Video but you sure underestimate the Underworld Skaven Blitzer with horns.
What tier would you give each characteristic? I imagine they would vary based on the current value of the characteristic and role... so like S tier - MA 8+ bump (ball carrier)
11:11 wrestle can increase damage output because it makes it easier to foul players with block.
And to remove a player with guard (and block), for a following block/blitz.
I love a domino chain where knocking over a player on a side of a line gives a series of two-dice attacks. Sometimes one good player prevents that.
state that failure to pass your activation roll means that you lose your tackle zone. Main rules implies that if you have your tackle zone you keep it and if it was previously lost you don’t get it back. BB3 says nothing about tackle zones. Is there a faq costing tackle zones or is this correct?
I would put kick higher due to passing being less reliable for meny teams putting the ball deep late in the half is good for any team
Yay Skills!
Tackle is situational, it's just TV bloat if you are playing against teams without dodge, and okayish if you are playing against teams with 1-2 dodge.
↑Leader, kick, pro, diving tackle, horns, diving catch, monstrous mouth
↓Frenzy, on the ball, shadowing
Though if I'm not mistaken bb3 doesn't have underworld yet which is very strong in the bb2020 ruleset and gets solid mileage on horns, monstrous mouth and many other mutations.
And apparently we both released vids ranking skills on the same day.
Ooh, really. Nice
Hey is using the wizard straight forward in BB3 or is it in some hidden place?
I would say dauntless is a B tier skill for any team that doesn't have access to ST4 players or big guys. I always take it on at least one blitzer for those teams.
I would put sneaky git in the A tier.
Agree with most of your choices.
Should block be taken first on all character types? Or only Linesman? what about catchers and throwers? Asking since i play Elfs
Dwarves runners can use of Hail Mary pass. If you’re runner gets divided you can punt.
I enjoyed the skill video but their are a few I personally disagree with mostly Mutations.
I rate Two Heads up their with Claws in B Tier. It is a lot harder to get +AG now.
Monstrous Mouth also cancels strip ball. It is not Terrible; not sure it good enough for C Tier though. C-/Situational+
You also mentioned Tentacles was worse that BB2 but that is incorrect. Opponent cannot use a Team Re-roll any longer to escape; I would put it in C Tier with Diving Tackle.
For other skill I would have Dodge as S tier and Accurate as Terrible and DP as B tier since you need to combo it with SG.
There is no world in which Dodge and Tackle are on the same tier. All tackle does is that it negates dodge, which makes dodge inherently superior.
I really think you underestimate diving tackle, especially with shadowing. Of course the main two player to use it (skinks and werewolves) aren't in the computer version yet.
Frenzy makes you do the second block.. which can mess things up. B or C.
Depends on the player skill. Decent players will consider the impact of a push occurring. For strength teams that can typically confirm the second block as a 2d it's decent. Also the crowd surf potential that it gives.
@@scottwallbank4794 true. I learn’t the hard way not to put my troll slayers on the front line.
@@patinho5589 Frontline is OK. You just need to place them at an angle that allows a push along the line of scrimmage rather than directly out from the LOS.
Frenzy at S tier? What?! It's not as bad as many skills, but it is VERY often a problem.
Hail Mary with Diving Catch for the troll level of winning games. Almost never works.
When it comes for free I feel like some of the terrible/situational skills become much more valuable. Also for me the dodge skill is arguably S tier, specially early mid game. In late game mass dodge does also has its uses.
I think that the fact dodge doesn't modify the dice on offense precludes it from being S tier. But I agree it is a very good skill. Any skill that can compete with block for first pick (on elf teams) must be an amazing skill.
Agreed, I used thick skull as an example. When taken as an advance on a player it's not great because you're using SPP and an advance opportunity to get it. When it's on a dwarf however, keeping more than half the KOs your team suffers on the pitch at no cost beyond hiring the player, it's fantastic.
Thick skull is great, it's just not particularly impactful unless you have lots of it and it's an opportunity cost you're never going to want to pay.
@@someoneelse7695 Elves are expensive and so often have to start with more linemen than a lot of other teams. If I have 6 elf linemen I usually distribute their first skills with two each of block, wrestle and dodge. The block and wrestles get more LoS and general holding of the center of the pitch duties and the dodge get up to more elf shenanigans around the sidelines and back field.
While I understand that dodge is a great skill, you can argue that "S tier" is reserved for skills that fit in every team. Block is an always considered option, even on agi team, where dodge is more a team by team or player by player choice. For exemple, it's pretty unlikely you'll pick dodge over more block/guard/MB on a really physical team. It can be considered on the ball carrier though.
Also, like he said, the higher you go, the more likely you'll face more guard players, that negate the dodge skill. It's not making it any less usefull, but you can't really say that the other S tier skills are countered too.
Blodge is still a REALLY good combo, it makes you really hard to put down. I think that skavens and elves will like blodge more, where bashy teams will prefer block & guard. Anyway, block is ALWAYS in the combo, and that tells a lot.
@@shilvor if bash teams had easy access to dodge you would take it on every player
I feel like im having trouble building enough SP to get abilities.
I have about 7 games under my belt, and some of my players still dont have enough for a non-random skill
I dont care about this tier list all of my players pray to nuffle when I roll a skill for half the price, i had a human catcher with sneaky git, sure feet, diving tackle and leap, and I love him
I dont like the statement of "catch is situational as strength teams don't take it". Well yeah, thats because they don't have primary access to agility skills for one. For agility teams it's a decent skill with their pass, hand-off scoring plays that they often make. It should be rated on the merits of teams that take it. Otherwise dirty player and such are also situational (you only use it on a foul).
Personally I think diving catch is stronger than catch. The odd improvement of catching a hand-off on a 2+ vs a 3+ for an average ag player is huge.
Thanks, Andy! (Go rats go!)
foul appearance is not a bad skill on a couple of underworld goblins that are on LOS duty
I don't get saying dodge isn't as good as block because dodge has a hard counter but block doesn't. Wrestle is absolutely a hard counter to block. It entirely shuts down an offensive action and leaves the player that threw the block, with out without the block skill, vulnerable especially now that more people embrace just how mandatory fouling is every chance you get. Someone with block can make an attack and give their opponent a free foul. That sounds like as hard a counter as you can get.
Does arm bar work with tackle or do they literally have to fail their roll?
Well they still have to fail their dodge roll when you have tackle, it just means they can't use dodge to reroll it. But yes, they can both be used for a failed dodge roll.
Waiting for BB3 to come out for switch. lol! Anyway, do you also play the board game? In that case, check sneaky git, because they change it (you don't move anymore after the foul).
I do, I've played it for 10 years.
@@AndyDavoBloodBowl cool!
So sad for the change of the rules about sneaky git
wouldn't skaven pick horns sometimes?
Strip ball is S. it’s literally the aim of the game to take the ball away from the opponent. It’s OP as far as I’m concerned.
What does dirty player 2 mean?
They changed sneaky git, you can't move anymore after the foul. Which tier is it now?
Considering he hasn't responded to this comment, I think he would still leave it at S since Sneaky Git still is essential for teams that likes to do foul plays, and even in a team that doesn't normally engage into hurting down players, SG still is nice on catchers to try and stun problematic players, if not cause an injury. I still have a Halfling for that reason to keep my Catchers focus on either playing the ball or tying up Blitzers and Blockers.
Pro + Dump off = Good?
No
Imo Dodge is 100% S tier. Really, Block is triple S tier (by itself). Then dodge in double S tier. Then guard in S tier
What does mighty blow +2 mean?
It means you add two to the injury or armour roll rather than the standard one for normal MB. Star players like Morg'N'Thorg have it.
@@scottwallbank4794 thanks!!
In bb3 very long legs have another rules than bb2020 oficial rules
Dodge is an S tier
Silently screaming through half the video. On the ball, on the ball, on the ball 😂 I've found that skill to be amazing on a Human team thrower. Block, OTB and Movement + which is easy to get as your first 3 skills gives great utility as you've not only got your main ball handler/distributor when receiving but you now have a 5th Blitzer on defense which you can use to lurk a few squares short of the ball carrier for when it breaks loose or to help disrupt passes quick style with that move 3 squares on a pass action that OTB provides.
so when playing against foul appearance you should remember to blitz and declare the movement, and only after that declare the attack?
Nope, the rules for actions now are that the target of an action must be declared when the action is declared (pg42 of the BB rulebook). Foul appearance triggers when the player is declared as the target of a block or blitz. So if you want to blitz him, you'll either do all or none of it. I cant speak for the BB3 implementation of this though.
@@scottwallbank4794 thank you for pointing that out to me!
How can Monstrous Mouth be lower than Catch?… its exactly the same skill only Monstrous mouth has extra rules, its better in everyway.
He had it wrong as +1 to catch rather than reroll. Half of his mutation discussion seems to be from a chaos perspective though. I'd be fine rolling this on a gutter runner or such.
hmmmm Dump Off looks a bit like some of my pictures I sent to few of my ladies friends
Disagree with so many of the choices lol, great share for experience though
But but .....Multiple Block isn't in the game currently. 😅
Is pile Driver really as bad as he says?
I am truly confused on your definition of the word "Situational."
What I’m not liking about the new rule set is there’s tons of skills yet you just see the same ones on everyone. Makes the game really boring
It's like that from the start, not only the new ruleset. Players tend to over-maximised in everything now. Old BB you had the all-mighty combo of block/MB/guard/claw everytime it was possible. Blodge was rampant. It's not the rulest that is the problem, it's that people want to be efficient and don't want to lose. I had a really good amount of fun playing with random mutations, building long-passing orcs, and as a goblin enjoyer, having a block/dauntless goblin rushing a minotaur and knock him out was hilarious, and I did that in all iteration of the ruleset.
Did I had a high winrate? ansolutely not. Did I had really funny and epic moment? yesyesyes.
You can make the game fun :D Sure there are useless skills (pile driver mostly) but you can always be creative
Frenzy in A tier?? Tsk.
Are you kidding me? Tackle is absolutely S tier. You can easily play game without frenzy, dirty player. Can you do so without tackle? NO.
I don't understand your Dirty player comments
Give me some context?
Figured I buy BB3 anyway after all the bad press. It's absolutely 🐕 💩. AI did nothing for 5 turns and even ran its bonus timer out on one turn. Another game it forgot it had 4 other players. Its way worse than 2s AI. Everything is locked. I'm not sure if this is because of game completion to unlock, but I'm playing through ATM. No cheerleaders for other races, but NPC teams have them. Controls respond sluggishly. I see no option to view the team as a whole. Wouldn't shed a tear if this company folded up.
If you’re quick you can still get a refund. The game is a wreck
@@00pugsly48 not sure if Gamestop will refund an open game. Guess I could check.
pro is only good on vampire. BB 3 is a joke
Why is there no fuxking way to communiycate with his opponents? No Voice Chat, not even normal chat. This is a huge problem
Not even a quick chat to communicate with your opponent. Having a "GG" response can go a long way to know that your opponent had fun in the match.
@@RvBnerd618 i cant understand why the developers of All warhammer games, are making Mitstakes like this
Noooope not touching this travesty! Sorry but not touching this game, only the board game is relevant to these. I keep seeing BB3, so unsubbing for now.
Surely a discussion of skills and such is universal?
@@scottwallbank4794 it is, but somewhat off due to the lack of the full roster. Honestly, BB3 is SO bad that it really is doing a disservice I feel to the game as a whole and the fans to cover it at all.