Mountain Meadows Massacre: Mormon Religious Terrorism
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Will Bagley's articles:
www.historynet...
The NPR Article I read from:
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New York Times article I read from:
www.nytimes.co...
A documentary on Mountain Meadows Massacre:
• The Mountain Meadows M...
Sandra Tanner's (direct descendant of Brigham Young) article:
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My TH-cam Channel with many LDS topic videos:
/ @itsmejessie
My Email address: itsmejessieo@outlook.com
Keywords: Mormon, Latter Day Saints, LDS, Mormonism, Mountain Meadows Massacre, Brigham Young, John D. Lee
A Religious Person will do what he is told -- regardless of what is right.
A Spiritual Person will do what is right -- regardless of what he is told.
Thanks for that line....a paraphrase of an H.L. Mencken quote:
"Morality is doing right no matter what you are told.
RELIGION is doing what you are told no matter what is right."
And a hater will hate regardless of if he's told to or if it's right...
@@JohnDLee-im4lo
You think I'm a "hater", right?
If the Mormon church apologized for it's bigotry toward women and homosexuals...and began their repair of that damage,
you *WOULD NOT* see me "hating" on that move. I would smile and APPLAUD!!
(Once again, J.D.L., you are making shit UP---like the good ol' *HATER* you are!!)
Put me to the TEST!!
@@daveyjones9930 ...yawn...
@@JohnDLee-im4lo
WELL SAID.
If one word could describe Mormonism, THAT would be IT!!
Good Job Jessie God Bless
Thank you for reminding us of the truth. And I work with a LDS member who does not defend the wrong doings of Mormons. But, he has asked me to read both historical accounts and the LDS version. After I had read bios on Joseph Smith he gave me a bio written by the mother of J. and H Smith. When the scrolls and the gun (from the death scene jail) proved the LDS accounts were false some members still refused the truth. It is the same about the massacre.
Hi Jessie, I was wondering, are you going to make any videos highlighting the positive things about the church, or just the negative (largely based on questionable material and speculation)?
They have Family and. Moral Values
The End
@@Robinfuckable God has a family. God has an eternal family. what's wrong with believing in the eternal family of God? why substitute the eternal family of God with something else?
mormons have morals. will you attain your moral standards with a sin nature. why deny your sin nature? how will you open yourself up to salvation from hell if you do not believe that you need it?
@@longnamenocansayy First and foremost I believe Joseph Smith was a False Prophet
Mormonism is a False Gospel. It's a Work Base Gospel that can not Save you.
God is eternal we are not. We were not once spirit babies in a premortal state. We are created Creatures on earth. John 8 :23 Jesus said , You are from Below. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world.
No where in the Bible or your BoM does it mention a preexitence. Cause there wasn't one. All through the Bible It says we can be adopted as sons and daughters of God
As for Salvation. Jesus is my Arthedos
He made it possible for all of us to have eternal life If we truly believe and have Faith in him. I am a sinner but I am save by Christ. Who atone for the Sins of the World
God doesn't need our help. We need God's Help. God is an Almighty God. No gods before him no gods after Isaiah 43:10
I would say your Salvation is in jeopardy cause you believe in a different god and a different Jesus And.before you try to lecture me on Salvation, you might want to study the Holy Bible.
Wonder whether LDS baptised those they murdered. Seems like an LDS thing to do.
i've heard rumors. you don't know what to believe. i heard they baptized adolf hitler. it is a fact, however, they did reinstate john d lee. you will remember john d lee is the mormon assassin===the only person to be convicted of the massacre. of course briggy excommunicated him. of course to be reinstated he had to be rebaptized. of course to be reinstated he had to have all his wives returned to him. that's 20 wives and numberless proginy.
That would be so morbid to do but then again the lds mind has twists and turns that the mental gymnastics are just amazing in a bad way.
@@victorrene3852 Indeed there are mental gymnastics, this is why there are the following rules: Rule number one inside LDS: “Never ever say anything negitive about Joseph Smith, even if it is the authenticated actions of a scoundrel.” You, a member of LDS, must NEVER admit to Joseph Smith being wrong about ANYTHING. LDS members WILL revier Joseph Smith as deity at ALL times. As such, the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of succession will do NO wrong, say NO wrong, and act NO wrong.
Rule number two: You will pretend to not notice there is nothing to substantiate the Book of Mormon as an inspired book. Even though there is no archeology, artifacts, written collaboration, or sociology to support the single source manuscript, you will speak reverently regarding the MIRICAL that it is. You MUST say it is the most correct of all books and never say that it has been changed over 4 thousand times.
Rule number three: You MUST declare LDS as a Christian nuance. You will NEVER speak of our doctrine where we believe Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence, the brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence, one of 3 gods in the godhead, the Trinity is three separate gods, first one to receive a spirit body, atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane, and was a polygamist, having 4 wives and several children. Further, you will NEVER read, review, experience any unauthorized material regarding LDS history, BoM history, Mormonism etc. ONLY LDS approved material will be authorized for your consumption. Your opinion WILL comport to the current LDS narrative and nothing else no matter the source of your unauthorized conviction.
Rule number four: The Holy Ghost that testifies to your heart as a warmth in your bosom, WILL conform to the Prophet’s contemporary way of thought. You WILL have a testimony and share it when told to do so. You will reject rational thinking and critical thought in order to make room for the Mormonization of your mental agency. NEVER question the LDS doctrine, history, or Prophet’s word. You ARE a complete and total asset of the LDS rank and file. If you are so utterly weak and useless, succombing to “facts” and enemy thoughts, you had better DOUBT your DOUBTS.
Rule number five: Anyone who presents data contradicting the LDS narrative is ANTI-MORMON. You WILL defend LDS through ad-hominim argument, conjecture or volume assisted attack. You WILL flip the responsibility of proof of truth claims by placing the burden of proof on the evil anti-mormon(s). You will NOT look at, consider, or read any counter-mormon data. If an LDS member apostates, you WILL accuse them of sin or weakness and shun them. You WILL also scream in a shrill voice that “They can leave the church but they can’t leave the church alone!”
I remember hearing about this when I was a kid...My stepmother said, "there are things we don't talk about". There seem to be a lot of those topics in Mormonism. The "true church" should be at the forefront of good! They should've been leading the charge on ending slavery, women's rights, suffrage, civil rights, etc. They always seem to be bringing up the rear especially recently with all the 180-degree turns. Both sides of my family come from the polygamy in the 1800's. We have the journals of some of the wives...it wasn't what they like to portray. They were not happy women. My great-grandmother, whom I knew, was born in the 1890's and she remembered calling all the wives, "aunt". I'm so glad I made the decision to read, "anti-Mormon" material. :)
I'd love to have Jesse post videos with ex mormons so us Christians (Jesse and me, not sure about you) could find the best ways, best practices to dissuade mormons from these crazy beliefs. Sometimes I think it'd be easy because the mountains of evidence but then I think well, they won't believe me and they won't look for themselves.
@@kurtbradwill They're coming! I am compiling AMAZING testimonies of exMormons who are followers of Christ now for an upcoming video! So excited about it! 💕💕💕
@@itsmejessie thank you!! Love the work you're doing. I have no particular connection to the lds church but I have such a big heart for breaking through the lies. I sincerely feel bad for them. Most are born into deception and know nothing else. They're dissuaded from learning more about their faith. I've always been told to ask questions about Christianity. Mormons who ask questions are told they could be sanctioned or excommunicated.
"Question with boldness even the very existence of a God; because, if there be one, He must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear" Thomas Jefferson
But I feel they're reachable souls because they're mostly extremely nice people, willing to engage and have some foundational Christian knowledge. I'm excited to see your channel grow!!
@@kurtbradwill
Maybe you should give some serious consideration to the god you worship (Jehovah/Yahweh) before targeting others. He was the worst terrorist known to man.
He loved murder and commanding others to murder. He loved slavery. He hated women. He hated adulterers, homosexuals, Sabbath breakers, witches, and disobedient children...AND he called for their extermination.
If you worship that god (talk about a "crazy belief"), you're a nut-job of BIBLICAL proportions!! :)
@okthennone - "They should've been leading the charge on ending slavery, women's rights, suffrage, civil rights, etc." You may be right, but I find no reason that that should be the case. Even Christ Himself didn't lead social justice campaigns. That is one reason the Jews rejected Him. They were looking for some one to free them from their Roman oppressors.
As a former foreign student from South Korea in BYU, I used to join Sunday school on campus in 90s and had been inactive since I had some ups and downs life experiences there. Looking back at those days in Provo, it seemed to me it was a bit like closed society...not physically but socially. I really had met awesome roommates there who were mostly White people from Mormon families and now I really miss them. On the other hand, one thing I was really shocked at was that I could smell something I really couldn't understand - Totalitarianism. Whenever I joined the church on Sunday, there was a time that the bishop asked the members for showing their decisions by raising their hands. It's like YES or NO questions. (Pros and Cons) The thing is I've never seen ANY SINGLE PERSON raise his/her hand to show an "opposition", which is not only odd but impossible in any democratic and humane societies. And I'd grown up seeing that kind of scene happen in North Korea all the time on TV. I couldn't find any difference btw these two. One happened in a religious society and the other did in a nation even South Koreans don't admit it as a country in its Constitution. I visited BYU couple of years ago again, and only to find out that the society became more closed....Sad....but was not a shock to me because it was just as I expected.
think about it a little bit. they never vote as in 50 for 25 against. you are only sustaining with your raised hand. that means the decision has already been made. it's already a done deal. with your hand raised they can see who is against mormonism i.e. who they need to disfellowship or excommunicate.
Kureyo? Seems to me you are free to join or not join a church. In a totalitarian society you are forced to have certain beliefs. Were you forced to attend the meetings. BTW the first time I was in Korea DJ came to power, and I have spent more than a decade in Korea and still have many friends there both on US military bases and elsewhere. Some of my FB friends are Koreans who were my colleagues since I worked not only for the US military as a DOD civilian, but for Korean companies. I think you are right that few raise their hand in opposition. But apparently at LDS general conferences there have been instances of that happening. I am not sure if that has happened recently or not.
I'd love to show up to a Sacrament meeting just to raise my hand in opposition and then just leave.
Mormonism is not true biblical Christianity.
It's whatever bs the freemasons believe......
The evil in mormonism was evidente on September 11, 1857. Hardly a "church" of God. Thank you Jessie.
Another great video Jessie
People saying their religions is better or correct. Is literally like listening to 2 people argue about if a hobbit or Smurf can be a Jedi Knight. It can be pretty entertaining until you realize they are actually serious.
@Teddygalbis 😂😂😂😂😂
BY was not above having people kiled, was he?
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, *****the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.*****”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110
Then there is:
2 Nephi 5:
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
Since the BoM is the “most correct book on earth” it cannot be changed, can it?
Not much has changed over the years: killing changed to being cursed?
David Hogg So... when did he actually have someone killed? Where’s your evidence?
@@bmiller9456
If we go by the Bible (when someone just looks lustfully at a woman, the sin is committed … remember?) … so BY's statement I should be killed is sufficient.
David Hogg Well it may be good enough for you- but it wouldn’t hold up in a court of law or even pass scrutiny by a trained historian. Where’s your actual EVIDENCE?
@@bmiller9456
We're not talking about a court of law - we're talking of God's commandment - browse the Bible, you'll soon pick it up. If you cannot find it, I will.
You seem to be quite happy that BY said - and it is in the LDS records!!!! - that folk like me should be killed on the spot and that it was God's law and would always be so?
@@davidhogg8721 Well now you're reading a lot into my words. I never said I was happy. Never said I agreed with it. And I happen to know the Bible quite well. You needn't attack the person in a disagreement. It's an ad-hominem fallacy. By your own standard (which I would not agree to, since I am not omniscient), you are guilty of that whole anger-murder thing from the same sermon. But I wouldn't accuse you of that, based on one post. If that were the case, you'd have to follow that other passage about resolving your disagreement with your brother before bringing your offering to the Lord... But, again, that's between you and God. I don't have the capacity to judge you based on one brief thing you said or wrote.
I agree that it's in the LDS records (the accuracy of every Journal of Discourses passage is a matter for another day).
The simple matter is this: until you've got evidence that he actually ordered or performed such a killing, all you've got is rhetoric. Further, it's rhetoric that you're quoting without context.
I'll continue to wait for evidence.
good job on this video!
I'm a decendent of one of the survivors. It's unreal to me that this was kept hidden for so long
Wow. I would love to hear your story. ❤
I'm 67 years old...I've always known about this. Nothing was hidden...a hater's lie...I'm a descendant of the participants of this successful military operation.
it was not hidden. when it happened it was the only thing people could talk about. when it happened arthur canon doyle the author of sherlock holmes stopped sherlock holmes story, "study in scarlet" in mid chapter, and began a new chapter taking place in utah. see specifically part 2 country of the saints, and note chapter 5 the avenging angels. study in scarlet is a free download from project guterberg. see also mark twain roughing it. he has a chapter about mormons, polygamy and danites (murderers) and an appendix in the back that covers mountain meadows specifically. see also the many books about mormonism that cover the MMM wife no. 19 brigham young's 19th wife, rocky mountain saints by tbh stenhouse, john d lee confessions (executed for mountain meadows massacre) internet archive has free download of a lot of books on the subject.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo, what is truly disturbing about your is the fact that you are proud of this and are calling a massacre of innocent civilians of mostly women and children a “successful military operation”. You are just as evil as perpetrators of the attacks on 9/11.You have gladly taken their blood on your hands and will join your ancestors in eternal judgement.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo not that you should be bear shame from your ancestors but to be proud of a massacre is downright disgusting. The MMM had been swept under the rug by the top 15 brethern. No one is talking about MMM in seminary or Sunday school or during General Conference.
This is so disgusting and unforgettable. It's not forgivable and Brigham Young has blood on his hands .he killed even children and some members told me to get over it .
I shared this video to all my mormon friends in California, i posted this video in my facebook page and I will make a video in Spanish since many hispanics are being duped into this man made religion
The MMM gets the apologists fired up. Just another chapter in their ugly history.
A long time ago I borrowed a book from my local public library that Phillip Yancy wrote. Each chapter is about different people. I do not remember all of the chapters, but I do remember one chapter in particular where a woman whom I believe is named Lois. Her husband was the minister of a Baptist church and Lois was the Sunday school teacher. One day a young black woman went to visit that church and asked if she could become a regular attender and go to Sunday school and eventually receive baptism. Some racist people decided to have an election, do decide if black people should be allowed to go to their church. That thing bothered Lois and her husband. Especially the part where people who did not put their feet in that church for five, ten, fifteen, or twenty years were allowed to vote. The majority did not allow for black people to go to that church. Lois and her husband were so offended by the results that they left that church. They started going to a Presbyterian church and the minister of that church gave the keys to the basement of the church to Lois and said, "You can invite anybody you want to your Sunday school, black, brown, red, yellow, white, prostitute, alcoholic, drug addict, anybody you want." Lois said, "God works in mysterious ways."
Funny they'll flip-flop on everything else but remain firm on this
Thank you for sharing your research. There are issues in a lot of church organizations for sure.
Will Bagley admits he never believed the LDS church from a young child. The writings he wrote come from a hateful perspective of the LDS church. Notice Jessie uses LDS hate sources as her material for research! Yet Jessie doesn't tell you the burning of Christians and Bibles done by Catholics. Jessie is a wolf in sheep's clothing that gives you much false information and sources that leave out facts!
Thanks for making the video. Well researched. I have discussed this massacre with some of my Mormon friends, and they clearly have a different perspective. Horrible tragedy, no it was a horrible atrocity.
@ItsMeJessie If you’re planning on covering LDS church history PLEASE look into Joseph Smith’s wives Fanny Alger and Helen Mar Kimball. JS was the OG Warren Jeffs.
I have had J.S.'s Polygamy on the list forever but just haven't gotten to it yet. Lol the OG Warren Jeffs. 🤣
It's Me Jessie Can’t wait! Truly disgusting topic but that’s why it needs to be covered.
I agree! Only do REAL research about it - the kind of research that requires real critical thinking. I'd start here:
josephsmithspolygamy.org
What does OG Warren Jeffs mean?
@@mariabatti7356 OG means original. So Joseph Smith was the original Warren Jeffs because he did it first.
The most blood-chilling quote on silencing Mormons speaking out can be attributed to Brigham Young a short time before the Mountain Meadows Massacre trial in 1875 When the people of southern Utah, alarmed by the presence in their midst of federal investigators, wavered in the faith. Brigham himself jerked them into line in short order.
“Do you know who those people were that were killed at the Mountain Meadows?” he demanded in a sermon delivered at Cedar City. “I will tell you who those people were. They were fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins, and children of those who killed the Saints, and drove them from Missouri, and afterwards killed our Prophets in Carthage jail...And yet I am told that there are many of the brethren who are willing to inform upon and swear against the brethren who were engaged in that affair...I hope there is no such person here, under the sound of my voice. But if there is, I will tell you my opinion of you, and the facts so far as your fate is concerned. Unless you repent at once of that unholy intention, and keep the secret of all you know, you will die a dog’s death, and be damned and go to hell. I do not want to hear of any more treachery among my people.”
From: HOLY MURDER The Story of Porter Rockwell By CHARLES KELLY and HOFFMAN BIRNEY
Yes there is a 54 minute documentary on TH-cam that is heavily mormon favoured, the comments are turned off.
Jessie,,,,well done!! I know that a video like this doesn't happen laying on the couch watching some junk on tv and eating chips,,,,drinkin pop!!! I'd like for you to know that all the hours you spend warning people that the road they are on is not right is worth it,,,,,,,,[ you may sometimes wonder if it is worth it.] You have children to take care of plus all the household duties there are for a mom to do and yes,,, it is worth the time you spend! If even just one soul came to Jesus it would be worth it. In my studies of LDSism
you have been an inspiration to me. Thanks!!
Thank you for your comment! Souls have come to Christ already.. all praise and glory to God! 💕💕💕 I'll have a video out soon with some powerful LDS tesminonies who found Jesus.
@@itsmejessie
There'll be just as many Catholics/Protestants JOINING Mormonism as leave.
Proving what?
@@daveyjones9930
It' will prove beyond reasonable doubt, that humans FAR TOO OFTEN, make stupid choices!
It's easier to make irrational choices than it is to spend time doing research.
@@daveyjones9930 I've read Mormon missionary program and LDS leaving the Church has level off. Another words you losing them as fast as your getting them
I believe soon there will be less converts and more leaving
@@42apostate Unfortunately your premise is flawed. Research alone doesn't do anything when it comes to know the truth of God, his Word, and his Gospel. The Bible, the Book of Mormon, all scriptures, and Prophets, all attest that we must study, ponder, and pray, and if we are sincere, God will reveal/guide us to the truth through the power of his Holy Spirit. Can I get an Amen!?
Can this be discussed without anti white racism?
Your sources are not unbiased.
I worked on a ranch in Arizona in 1996 with two guys who were related to these people who were killed. One guys last name was Fancher. You are in the sights of the LDS troll farm. It'll be interesting to see the response to this video. My view of who and what Brigham Young was has changed 180 degrees since I was 20.
No one will respond to this video. No Mormon, anyway!
It's Me Jessie
I will Ms. Jesse
But I do it with naïveté
I’m a 2nd generation LDS member
The whole story sounds awful
I have no comment because my mother read the Bible and Book of Mormon to me as a child but not this story ?
And I can’t defend any type of death of any living being unless it’s self defense -
The only thing I’ll say in response is how many
“Christians “ justified the torture and mistreatment of slaves through breaking up families and cherry picking the Bible in the last 300 years .
I say that not to take away the tragedy of this massacre but to mention the maladaptive behavior of many of our ancestors who chose bigotry and cruelty over kindness and love before the civil rights movements !!!!!
And many times rationalized it with scriptures ?????
@@j.huffhumble4281 the only way you can rationalize murder and mistreatment of others in Scripture is to rip it from context. Yet Jesus's words and life actually teach extreme love and truth, where you are willing to die for spreading the word.
On the other hand, all other people claiming to be prophets after Jesus (Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc...) have teachings that directly lead to hate and violence to others.
Always look at your sources, especially if you want to say that others have done bad things in Jesus name. That is how you can know the truth of these matters.
It's Me Jessie Jess, we talk about this a lot actually, the letter, everything. People don’t remember that southern Utah, although only a four hour drive today, by horse, took much longer and this massacre was 260 miles away, a three day travel approximately, from Salt Lake. Brigham Young was wrong to blame the Paiute tribe. Elder Henry B. Eyring spoke about how local Church leaders did support militia being on guard and being responsible for what happened, but the involvement of Brigham Young is denied to this day. If he was living down there, that would be one thing, but I have never believed him to be a promoter of violence. If you think about the trauma the Saints went through, obviously someone would crack and lose their mind. www.lds.org/topics/mountain-meadows-massacre?lang=eng
It's Me Jessie I think that one day you will understand our Church’s history and how good our leaders were and are, but until then what you believe is you are saving us from misery, manipulation and hell, but as a sister to another sister, I have no hate towards you, but love. It is NOT easy being a Latter Day Saint. At work my religion is brought up a lot and I am silenced immediately and TOLD how I worship Joseph Smith, how we have arranged marriages and am mocked for my standards, but I love the scriptures, all of them. I love my Savior Jesus Christ very much. Remember, in just TWO decades you had 20,000 people displaced twice, Mormon women raped, children murdered, Mormons were whipped until their insides came out, Lucy Mack Smith talks about how they were seeing thousands of Saints in tents in front of her home, freezing in the winter, starving to death and when she tried to get some of the cattle the Missouri Militia had shot on their farm, they refused to let her cook it. You just have the wrong information and mean well, but someday you will read it all, read the whole discourse by Brigham Young, actually read the entire Book of Mormon to find out why the Jaredites didn’t live the law of moses, because they were at the time of the tower of babel, read how horses are said to have always been here by all tribes, maybe even read Lucy Mack Smith’s own words of what SHE went through and saw so many others go through, Her book is incredibly cheap on Kindle, “Joseph Smith History, by His Mother”. If you can care about the men, women and children murdered in Mountain Meadows, and not care about the brutality against men, women and children at Haun’s mill, you are a hypocrite, so get off of the websites that just quote one line here or there, read everything Brigham Young said to see what kind of man he actually was!
I live right by the meadow.
You have not made a video in a year. Hope you are okay.
Ordered by Brigham young
John Easler Evidence?
@@bmiller9456,
I had a revelation
@@johneasler9967 Well good for you! Guess that'll hold up in court...
@BMiller
The angel moroni came to see me in the night while I was in bed. Oh, I forgot to mention, I was 14. ANYONE would believe that, right?!?
@@johneasler9967
😂🤣
I have a joke. Whats the difference between Radical Islam and Mormonism
Their Prophets.
Yep. So many similarities!
Great
My ancestor Capt Charles Fancher was an army Capt. dispatched to investigate the mormons. Didn't end well. The surviving wife wrote a novel called The Fancher Train for income after her late husband's death. I have not read it as the family only has one copy, but IF I remember right it's a romance fiction based on her time period and experience. Cool video. Small world.
Thank you for posting this video. I am watching this hunkered down in Cambodia during the pandemic. Many of my ancestral relatives were murdered by the Mormons in this massacre. My ancestors are both Fanchers and Bakers. There is way too much Mormon-sided white-washed BS out there and on TH-cam about what they did. Nice to see this information. We are on opposite sides religiously; I would do anything in my power to keep the hate and bigotry taught by Christianity from getting to the kind, caring, tolerant, accepting, and loving students I teach and love here in Southeast Asia, but I appreciate your efforts to offer some truth to this story of what christians when they were massacring my relatives.
Good info jessie 👍, got another subject for u, what they did to Blackhawk. Can u look into this for me. I would appreciate it thank u ☺
Do you have any sources or info you can send my way? I'm not quite as knowledgeable as Google but I try. 😄
Blackhawk was a Ute chief that went to war with mormon settlers, and the US army i believe if im correct. After his death they took his reminds and displayed it at BYU in a show case. And studyed his reminds, to find defects, something to that effect. But after long law suit with Utah gov, and theUS supreme court they finally released his reminds to the Ute tribe and gave him a proper resting place. Please look into this for me i would be greatful thank u 👍
@@nativepower1665 I've heard bits and pieces of the story as well. Thanks for the reply. I'll put it on my list. (Looooong list of future videos! So much to cover still!)
@tapir rider
Wow!
That was great!
Thanks, t.r.!!
You hear from the Mormon side (except for MMM) how much the Mormons *LOVED* their Native American Neighbors!
It's not surprising that the Mormon side is *THE EXACT OPPOSITE* of what they claim...and not just regarding the Indian issues.
That 180 degree claim extends to ALL of Mormonism!!
Pure horseshit. Pure propaganda!!
BRIGHAM YOUNG IS FULL REPONSIBLE FOR THIS EVIL CRIME‼️‼️
Except, he’s not. The most thorough investigation of the M.M.M. was recently done and the lead investigator said they found no evidence implicating Brigham Young, despite their earnest desire to find it and expose Brigham Young. I’m a non-believing ex-Mormon, but facts are facts and we have to acknowledge that Brigham Young didn’t order the executions that took place at Mountain Meadows. At the very least, there’s no evidence to suggest that he did.
hi beautiful jessie, that's great content.
from🇵🇭 LDS philippines
Hey Jessie, what church do you go to?
I hope this question is ok. I believe you care about others, and want to share.
It is so hard to understand how people who claim to follow Christ can turn around and kill children. And the leaders just seem to wash it off their hands. That is not Christian.
Mormons are perfect.😂
September Dawn is good in showing the number of people in the wagon train walking through tall meadow grasses and for me that is the most horrific part; the large number of innocent families in this wagon train. Nice cinematography, a good performance by Terrance Stamp as Brigham Young, and beautiful landscape, not the dried up farmland and scrubland it is today. The landscape at Mountain Meadows has changed dramatically due to farming and a major flood in 1863, the land had creeks and tributaries for fresh water, large trees, and grasses for oxen and horses to graze. The flood killed members of John D.Lee’s family members that lived down the road. Lee was the only church member prosecuted for the murders and he was executed at Mountain Meadows for his crimes
I live five miles away from this shameful site. I remember years ago when the church president Hinkly came as an attempt to reconcile with surviving kin and erected a new *monument.. local high priests and spouses only, I was not allowed to go. I'm not sure why there are so many signs to advertise this horrible site
It was a military operation of the regularly constituted Iron County Militia in a time of war. (See Utah War 1857-58). Innocents die in war all the time. Tragic but a reality of human conflict. Where are your tears for the 80,000+ innocent women and children who died in a flash at Hiroshima? Where is your hand-wringing for the 50,000+ at Nagasaki? Thousands at Dresden and other places? Huh?...Could it be that your desire to bash Mormons is the reason for your feigned outrage for 122 people in 1857? Get some perspective...wow.
The massacre at Mountain Meadows was not a military war. It was nut job fanatical Mormons doing what Brigham Young wanted them to do-murder immigrant families who had a lot of money which he used to finish the Temple in Salt Lake. There was no war. The U.S. army never attacked Salt Lake. And the murdering mob of Mormons could see these were families in the wagon train, not soldiers. These murders made Young a rich man. He ended up with carriages and gold. The 800 head of cattle were branded with the Cross of Christ, a denigration of Christianity if ever there was one. Bashing the heads of children against wagon wheels speaks to the horrific frenzy with which the Mormons attacked. This was mass murder Mormon style.
Dear Jessie, In the early 1970's I met an elderly man whose grandmother had grown up in Salt Lake City during the time of Brigham Young. She said that he and his men would often dress as Indians and raid wagon trains, then they would only bring back little girls alive.
Her family moved away from SLC and they went to their new neighbors barn at night to steal whatever they wanted. She asked her grandfather about it and he told her that the neighbors were " Gentiles " and that everything they had belonged to the Mormon family. She was eleven when she asked mother why they went at night if everything belonged to them. Her mother hit her so hard that it cut through her lip. It was then that she started to doubt Mormonism.
I saw another of your videos about the LDS leadership going to Rome to meet the pope. I think that you will find this interesting. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/peters-jerusalem-tomb.htm
That's heartbreaking!
Will Bagley admits he never believed the LDS church from a young child. The writings he wrote come from a hateful perspective of the LDS church. Notice Jessie uses LDS hate sources as her material for research! Yet Jessie doesn't tell you the burning of Christians and Bibles done by Catholics. Jessie is a wolf in sheep's clothing that gives you much false information and sources that leave out facts!
Ya, the church was never to broken up over the incident then or now. I remember when I was a young adult we had a lesson on mountain meadows. The gist of the lesson was that it was an awful event but the wagon train probably had it coming anyway because of possible links to those who killed Joseph Smith. There was never any indignation about the event from Brigham Young or any other Prophet to date.
War is hell. Have you apologized or felt indignant for the 80,000+ innocents killed in one flash of a Hiroshima bomb? As to the MMM... It was an act of war. Innocents die in war all the time. Sad.
@tapir rider Where are your tears for the innocent victims of the nuclear attacks on Japan? Dresden? Selective outrage seems to be your companion...
The women and children were separated by some 3000 ft Sound would take about 5 seconds to reach the children. By then most of the men would be laying on the ground.(Minute 21:00 +/-). Then the women and children would run, screaming while John D Lee and his friends shot them, smashed their bodies, did what ever they needed to do to win the day. If the Mormons had their way the little girls would have been turned into brood mares and the boys turned into cheap labor. But the Mormons did send the US gov't (we the people) a $7000 bill for "ransom from Indians and care for kids". $5-7 Million today! ($400yr was a common income then, $40,000 today, so X100, more really.....)
This needs more attention!
I shouldn’t just now be learning this at 37 years old.
Willful ignorance knows no age...
If you haven't learned of this and you have been in the church your whole life, you're lazy and lackadaisical about your religion. It's always been available for those who care...you obviously didn't.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo
THAT'S BULLSHIT, John, and you KNOW IT!!
It's well known that LDS Inc. keeps most intelligent members so busy they don't have time to do the required research.
It has NOTHING to do with "caring".
Show us where MMM was even mentioned in Sunday School or Seminary or Priesthooy/Relief Society lessons before 1980? *OR IN GENERAL CONFERENCE?*
Where was Joseph's "up to 40 wives" mentioned... and Smith marrying other men's wives, or mentioning the teenagers he married in LDS lesson manuals...or even in the Improvement Era/Ensign mags (rags)??
You're making shit UP...AGAIN, John! (You may be able to slide your BS by some folks...but NOT ME!!)
Are you saying that YOU "learned of this" long ago....and said NOTHING??...and QUESTIONED *NOTHING??* I.E.,
just ACCEPTED it?
*THAT IS* the definition of "willful ignorance"! Thanks for the demo!!
Hey, Daddy!
Pay no attention to John D. Lee.
He's the LDS equivalent of the Emperor with no clothes....all gas and no substance!
(I didn't find this stuff until I was FIFTY!!) LOL!! You did WELL!!
If you would like an itemized list of "this stuff", go to cesletter.org.
Most of cesletter has many references to *LDS sources!*
Cheers!
@@daveyjones9930 ...yawn...
I really, really want Kwaku to try and defend the LDS church in regards to this video. It’ll worsen his already crippled credibility.
Are you a Christian? Can you defend King David, Judas, Jonah, the prophet who killed innocent kids because they called him fat and bald...?? Please explain all of those stories of "righteous men" who committed great and terrible sins during the time they were supposed to be representing Jesus Christ... Truth should not be decided on the evil actions of imperfect people.
Kyle Braby Jonah I don’t need to justify, the story explains itself, how dare you compare Jonah with the Mormon massacre. King David is condemned in the Bible for adultery and murder. Judas is burning in hell he has no justification nor is it needed. And those kids aren’t innocent, they were killed for making fun of a prophet, that deserves death and no one is sinless anyway. If you don’t understand this last part then you don’t understand the need of a divine sacrifice for all our sins, as we all deserve death for our sins. Lastly I’d like to say that the Mormon massacre is so colossal compared to your examples. Furthermore Mormonism is completely false anyway. So here we have a false religion killing people for no reason, men, women and children for their pathetic religion. Enough said, I don’t do TH-cam comment discussions anymore or I’d have no time to do other things. This is an act of religious terrorism.
@@order_truth_involvement6135 way to just try and push all the bible examples to the side and not apply your logic and argument to them... you just said Judas is burning in hell... well then I say the same argument you made when you said "but it was a stake president, shouldn't he have felt the spirit or acted in a god like way"- must not be true he must be following a fake religion and have fake power from God... I use your same argument with Judas... he was an APOSTLE...even higher than a stake president... so since he made the decision to betray Jesus does that define Christianity as a false religion and fake power...etc... NO because the actions of people do not define the truthfulness of the gospel or the religion they are from. Judas is held accountable for his own actions just like these men from mountain meadows are.
PS how dare you say kids DESERVE death for simply making fun of a prophet... that is disgusting logic... your mind is twisted. Making fun of a prophet is not alright but slaying children for it... pretty extreme.
Jonah was brought up because he is a man who represents Jesus and makes a HUGE MISTAKE... using your argument (which you seem to only like to apply to mormonism)... does that make the religion he follows fake? that would mean he wasnt a real prophet and his religion is fake and jesus wasnt really talking with him... thats what you think?
@@kylebraby2357 I stand by what I said about the kids. You haven't yet understood the concept of inherent tendency to sin and the gravity of just one sin. Those kids deserved death. The Law exposes our sinfulness and that we all deserve death. No one is saved except through the Son. Mormonism is so far off from the roots of Christianity, from the Biblical concept of good and wrong that it's ludicrous. Read the Bible without the context of the BOM. Read the Tanakh version for some extra context as well. Even unborn babies went to hell before Jesus came. They all went to Sheoul(hebrew), the world of the dead, and it wasn't a nice neutral "spirit world". You have no clue of what I'm even talking about do you?
I think that this massacre committed by the mormons has no justification as Gid never said to do this. God commanded to kill a lot of "innocent" people in the Caananite lands to purify the land of non-hebrews. God commanded these things. The problem is that these acts were denied by the mormon church, yet this was at the command of their religious leaders. Christianity upholds the commands that their leaders received by the One True God and they don't deny it. This massacre was LDS sponsored, according to their religious beliefs, make them man up to it.
@@order_truth_involvement6135 Again for the third time the only way for your logic and argument to work is to deny the same situations and stories happening all throughout the Bible... have fun excusing your way out of it...
Why do you feel the need to talk down to me or talk to me as if I know nothing?? You are Christian right? boy what an example... hahaha God did not command King David to commit adultery... yet he did... God did not command Jonah to hate the people he was told to preach to so much that he ran from them... people have their own choices.
Please go back to your ORIGINAL argument you said if the religious leaders (Isaac Haight who was a stake president) could commit a sin it must mean he is from a false religion that God is not part of... now apply that same argument to alllllllll the religious leaders in the Bible who SINNED and messed up and made mistakes.... come on now. the mistakes of some do not determine the truthfulness of the gospel. Your argument will never ever work unless YOU only apply it where YOU want to. Sad.
Jessica thanks for taking the time to tell this horrible story,my wife and I both discovered that we both had great great grandfather's from Scotland, Stewart and Tullis who were killers and clubbers at mountain meadows, we went to this site several years ago and prayed for all these poor souls who lost there lives there,such a sorrowful and sad place the first 9/11.
Thank you for your prayers for my ancestors.
@@beawinna9878 God bless you too 🙏 ❤
Great job, thank you for this report. Sounds a little like what happened to my friend when the police came at him and his friends. He tried to calm the group and then went with them, they beat him, kept him awake all night, trying to make him to confess to crimes against GOD. These sound like the demons that hanged Jesus on a tree. Thanks for the great job.
The more I learn,the more I wish I had never heard of this Church.However more than 40 years later,I Realize That ithas. not been a walk in the park.My problem is I refuse to not speak up or fight back.Leaders hate truth.HoW come this religion has.continued to grow.Are we all blind and stupid?🌹
Speaking specifically, the Mountain Meadows massacre should not be forgotten as long as Mormon writers, pulpiteers and missionaries use the *^missouri persecutions," the ^^martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith," and the *'expulsion of the Saints from Nauvoo" as influences for proselyting. Xor should the discussion of any prominent tragedy cease until the causes that unerringly led up to the act shall have been eradicated, or until the lesson that it teaches is no longer necessary. The Mountain Meadows massacre should be kept before the public until unquestioning obedience to the will of the Mormon '*prophets" shall be no longer exacted from the Mormon people, or until its deadening, damning influence is exterminated. Those who suggest such lapses of memory as that suggested by the Salt Lake editor do so in the interest of **peace in Utah," a '*peace" that would be purchased by the surrender of justice to injustice, of right to wrong, of the present to the future-a surrender in Utah of moral progr'ess and civil liberty to mercenary advantages and political bribes held out by the **prophets" and the Mormon and pro-Mormon press as the price of silence.
The conflict between the civil law, represented by the government officials, and the ecclesiastical rule of Brigham Young became so acute that the Gentile officials fled the territory. In order to aid its officials in the enforcement of the law the government, in the spring of 1857, dispatched an army of 2500 men to Utah,
Ans.-About sixty men, forty women and nearly fifty children.
It was a military operation of the Iron County Militia in a time of war. (Utah War 1857-58) Stop the hysteria. Innocents die in war all the time. Where is your outrage for the 80,000+ innocents who died in one flash at Hiroshima? It seems you are only concerned when it may damage the Mormons. Hypocrite.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo, It was NOT a military operation, it was an act of cowardice, a massacre of innocent civilians planned and ordered by Brigham Young and he should have been executed for it. You talk about Hiroshima, but where is your outrage over millions of innocent people massacred by the Japanese during the war.
brigham young quite obviously not only knew about mountain meadows massacre, he even gave the order for it. how do we know? i'm going to cut and paste the reasons that are printed by mark twain in his appendix at the back of book " roughing it." note, he is quoting from the book by c v waite.
“For the benefit of those who may still be disposed to doubt the
guilt of Young and his Mormons in this transaction, the testimony is here
collated and circumstances given which go not merely to implicate but to
fasten conviction upon them by ‘confirmations strong as proofs of
Holy Writ:’
“1. The evidence of Mormons themselves, engaged in the affair, as
shown by the statements of Judge Cradlebaugh and Deputy U.S. Marshall
Rodgers.
“2. The failure of Brigham Young to embody any account of it in his
Report as Superintendent of Indian Affairs. Also his failure to make any
allusion to it whatever from the pulpit, until several years after the
occurrence
“3. The flight to the mountains of men high in authority in the
Mormon Church and State, when this affair was brought to the ordeal of a
judicial investigation.
“4. The failure of the Deseret News, the Church organ, and the only
paper then published in the Territory, to notice the massacre until
several months afterward, and then only to deny that Mormons were engaged
in it.
“5. The testimony of the children saved from the massacre.
“6. The children and the property of the emigrants found in
possession of the Mormons, and that possession traced back to the very day
after the massacre.
“7. The statements of Indians in the neighborhood of the scene of
the massacre: these statements are shown, not only by Cradlebaugh and
Rodgers, but by a number of military officers, and by J. Forney, who was,
in 1859, Superintendent of Indian Affairs for the Territory. To all these
were such statements freely and frequently made by the Indians.
“8. The testimony of R. P. Campbell, Capt. 2d Dragoons, who was sent
in the Spring of 1859 to Santa Clara, to protect travelers on the road to
California and to inquire into Indian depredations.”
let me add an obvious point to the above. john d lee was very close to brigham young. at the time, the mormons practiced a sort amway system to god hood, so that if and when a prophet attained godhood, he could automatically promote everyone sealed to him to the rank and status of lesser god. john d lee was adopted by brigham young and was assured god hood status as long as he kept close to brigham.
now i'll repeat. john d lee was asssured god hood as long as he kept close to brigham young. that means for sure for sure brigham knew about mountain meadows. he either was the source of direction or he was an accessory after the fact. as it turns out, he was both the source of direction, and he was also accessory after the fact.
There is no evidence that Young knew about the situation until my grandfather rode to SLC 10 days later. He got busy trying to cover it up though.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo there is evidence. testimony given under oath is evidence. the book written by john d lee is evidence. john d lee was sealed to brigham young. john d lee says flat out in his book the blame lies at the feet of brigham young. george albert smith number 2 man of mormonism gave the order personally.
The failure of Brigham Young to embody any account of it in his Report as Superintendent of Indian Affairs. Also his failure to make any allusion to it whatever from the pulpit, until several years after the occurrence (does that say to you he was hiding something? it should)
The flight to the mountains of men high in authority in the Mormon Church and State, when this affair was brought to the ordeal of a judicial investigation. (they were not guilty of anything yet flee to the mountains?)
The failure of the Deseret News, the Church organ, and the only paper then published in the Territory, to notice the massacre until several months afterward, and then only to deny that Mormons were engaged in it.
The testimony of the children saved from the massacre.
The children and the property of the emigrants found in possession of the Mormons, and that possession traced back to the very day after the massacre. did you know they stripped the dead of their clothing and deposited it in the bishops storehouse? do you know no amount of fullers soap can wash that blood out? and it was worn by mormons with the blood stains? and let's not forget the carriage that brigham young took such pride in. the carriage that belonged to one of the victims. the carriage that appeared in brigham young's possession days after the massacre.
statements of the indians. did you read the statements of the indians?
The testimony of R. P. Campbell, Capt. 2d Dragoons, who was sent in the Spring of 1859 to Santa Clara, to protect travelers on the road to California and to inquire into Indian depredations
and let us not forget that only one man was ever convicted. who was sheltering all the other murderers? what power existed in utah at that time that could deny 120 men women and children justice until 20 years after they were murdered? how did brigham young obtain a full pardon without even being convicted in court? and why was it necessary for him to be pardoned?
@@longnamenocansayy A hater's lie...Lee always maintained BY knew nothing about the affair until afterwards. Your rank conjecture and spinning is only to hurt the church and you know it. There is no reliable evidence to the contrary. The local leadership both ecclesiastical and military was responsible for the orders. That's the way a military operation is conducted. The Utah War was in full fledge and the local militias weren't going to allow those people to go into San Bernardino and bring the US military up the southern flank of the Mormons when they were already under attack from the north by fully 1/3 of the US military. A two-front war is disastrous for the outnumbered. Tragic loss of life but necessary for the survival of the Mormons. No apologies...just good military strategy.
@tapir rider Why else would a pardon even be offered? If it was cold blooded murder, no pardon would have been offered Brigham Young or anyone else. Wise up! Take off your hater's cap and think about it. Brigham Young, John Taylor, Lorenzo Snow and other leaders of the church were pardoned...if the church were culpable as you yelp from the rooftops, no pardon would have been offered. The US government has fully exonerated the Mormon leadership. Pisses you off, huh?
@@JohnDLee-im4lo "Lee always maintained BY knew nothing about the affair until afterwards. Your rank conjecture and spinning is only to hurt the church and you know it. There is no reliable evidence to the contrary."
the letter that john d lee wrote to brigham young itemizing all goods and fees resulting from the massacre is very reliable evidence that brigham young knew about the massacre. the letter was written by john d lee, the letter was in brigham young's possession for 20 years, and the letter was presented to the court by brigham young as evidence against john d lee at john d lee's trial.
if you read the book, "mormonism unveiled", the book that was written by john d lee the only man convicted and then executed for his part in the mountain meadows massacre you will see what john d lee thought of brigham young after being betrayed by him. a few cut and pastes below:
p.221
(lee talked to george albert smith before the the massacre and he said:)
.. "and I knew that George A. Smith never talked of things that Brigham Young
had not talked over with him before-hand. Then the Mormons were at war with the United States, and the orders to the Mormons had been all the time to kill and waste away our enemies, but lose none of our people.......In justice to myself I will give the facts of my talk with George A. Smith."
p.224
(the conversation lee had with geroge albert smith specifically about the pass that brigham young could have given but refused to give, and what that meant for the wagon train. brigham young knew he had not issued a pass and he knew what it meant for the wagon train)
I really believe that any train of emigrants that may come through
here will be attacked, and probably all destroyed. I am sure they would be wiped out if they had been making threats against
our people. Unless emigrants have a pass from Brigham Young,
or some one in authority, they will certainly never get safely
through this country."....(george albert smith) then said, "Do you really believe the brethren would make it lively for such a train?""I said, Yes, sir, I know they will, .unless they are protected by a pass,....... if he wants emigrants to pass, without being molested he must send orders to that effect to Colonel Wm.H.Dame or Major Isaac C. Haight, so that they can give passes to-the emigrants, for their passes will insure safety, but nothing else-will, except the positive orders of Governor Young,
p. 225
(brigham young gave the orders and was aware from the start)
I have always believed, since that day, that General George
A. Smith was then visiting Southern Utah to prepare the peo-
ple for the work of exterminating Captain Fancher's train of emigrants
and I now believe that he was sent for that purpose by the direct command of Brigham Young.
p.245
( secret combinations)
we also took the most binding oaths to stand by each other, and to always insist that the massacre was committed by Indians alone. This was the advice of Brigham Young too, as I will show hereafter.
p.228
I did not then know that a messenger had been sent to Brigham
for instructions. Haight had not mentioned it to me. I now think that James Haslem was sent to Brigham Young, as a sharp play on the part of the authorities to protect themselves, if trouble ever grew out of the matter.
p.252
(brigham knew in detail 20 days after what happened at MMM)
According to the orders of Isaac C. Haight, I started for Salt Lake City to report the whole facts connected with the massacre -I started about a week or ten days , to Brigham Young.after the massacre, and I was on the way about ten days.
In fact I gave him all the information there was to give.I told him who killed various ones.
When I finished talking about the matter, he said: " This the most unfortunate affair that ever befel the Church. I am afraid of treachery among the brethren that were there.
If any one tells this thing so that it will become public, it will
work us great injury. I want you to understand now, that you
are never t0 tell this again, not even to heber c kimball. it must be kept a secret among ourselves.
P.253
(brigham had a use for lee's letter and itemized billing he knew it would come in handy, and he saved the letter for 20 years just in case)
brigham said, " When you get home, I want
you to sit down and write a long letter, and give me an account of the affair, charging it to the Indians. You sign the letter as Farmer to the Indians, and direct it to me as Indian Agent. I can then make use of such a letter to keep off all damaging and troublesome enquiries." (p.255,256 contains the letter)
p.290
(deserted by brigham young)
if i have sinned and violated the laws of my country, I have done so because I have blindly followed and obeyed the orders of the Church leaders. I was guided in all that I did which is called criminal, by the orders of the leaders in the Church of Jesns Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I have never knowingly
disobeyed the orders of the Church since I joined it at Far
West, Missouri, until I was deserted by Brigham Young and his slaves.
p. 266
(deserted by brigham young deceitfully)
I visited Brigham Young at his house in St. George in 1874 r
and never was received in a more friendly manner. He could
always appear the saint when he was meditating treachery to one
of his people. He then promised to restore me to membership in a short time.
p.284
(the many murders ordered by mormon leaders started with joseph smith)
I knew of many men being killed in Nauvoo by the Danites.-
It was then the rule that all the enemies of Joseph Smith should be killed, and I know of many a man who was quietly put out of the way by the orders of Joseph and his Apostles while the Church was there
It has always been a well understood doctrine of the Church
that it was right and praiseworthy to kill every person who spoke evil of the Prophet. This doctrine had been strictly lived up to
in Utah, until the Gentiles arrived in such great numbers that it
became unsafe to follow the practice, but the doctrine is still
believed, and no year passes without one or more of those who have spoken ill of brigham young being killed in a secret manner.
The Jacob Hamblin home is 5 min away from me. I feel sick everytime I see it and then I flip it off.🤣🤣
It's ridiculous the things this cult has gotten away with!
Are you the home the fading away motocross track, Dart Racing.? Not many homes near Hamblin
Are you the home with the fading MX track, at highway? Not many homes near Hamblin.
God should have spared the lives of all of those innocent people. God should have given the strength of those pilgrims to fight back by taking away their guns and shooting the assassins.
Seems 'God' had better things to do that day....
I studied the mountain meadows massacre many years ago. It was one more piece of the puzzle that helped me to untangle my Curious Awe, and intense fear of the Mormon God.
Every time the mountains Meadow Massacre comes up, I am reminded of the sickening penalties I performed, every time I attended the temple.
The slashing action of my throat, the slashing action of my chest, the slashing disembowelment action of my stomach, my Covenant to keep secret that which was done in the temple "rather than reveal it, I would suffer my life to be taken" my soul dies a small death when I and confronted with my own irrational fear of that period in my life. I thank Jesus the Christ for rescuing me from this gilded hell.
Wow. Thank you for sharing. Praise the Lord you found truth! 💕 I'd love to share your testimony on my channel, if you're open to it. Even anonymously. I have some videos coming up with exMormon testimonies who now know Jesus. So beautiful! 💕
Itsmejessieo@outlook.com
No reparations have been paid to the Arkansas families to this day.
hahahahah Just studied this topic and am teaching it to hundreds of members in the coming weeks. You have taken so much of this story out of context, you are using inaccurate terms when saying "church" and "leaders", etc.
Their trail to California seems a bit confused. Arkansas to Denver is heading north. Salt lake then heading back South. Rather confusing as a descendant survivor why this route..
Thank you for your awesome videos! So informative and sincere ❤️👍
There was also the handcart massacre
handcart massacre? i think you may be mistaken on that one. handcart pioneers died, and it was all brigham's fault, but it was not a massacre
My Stepmother is a decent of John D Lee. This has more truth than expected.
I NEED TO GET AHOLD OF YOU!
Jessie doesn't tell you the women and children that were brutally persecuted in the LDS church and had homes burned!
Watched the 2008 movie September Dawn, I bought it thru Amazon it was in European DVD format (2) so you need a multimedia player or Xbox and maybe your computer might be able to read it
Jessie believes Christ and God are the same person and that God does not have a body. Yet the Bible says Christ was resurrected and appeared with a body!
Jessie believes in different churches that teach against each other and she thinks God would create all those churches!
i want a NO MORMONS ALLOWED sign
Ok - let's start with "adopted son." In the 1800s, it was common to have a person sealed to a prophet in temples. It engendered no paternal-filial duties, but was a way to tie families together in the hereafter. As with so many things, Jessie applies the title without explanation.
Jessie believes Christ is not the First Born of God even though the Bible says he is.
Jessie claims Jesus is not a church and yet she attends a church!
in todays world of cars and freeways, can you get 100 men together at a mormon stake, to go massacre a methodist picnic party at a local park?
it seems a daunting task. yet the mormns had no problem collecting 100 men to go murder everyone in a wagon train.
first they had to find 100 men who murder in cold blood at the drop of a hat. they had to make a state wide call to gather up such men.
if it was a state wide call they came as far as 350 miles away. 3 miles an hour is 25 miles a day. 1/2 month later they would all be in cedar city. so they had to have provisions for 2 weeks coming and 2 weeks going and they had to carry it with them. no macdonalds.
so it was a very organized band of cutthroats that assembled at cedar city. they were prepared to stay for the long haul to accomplish the task at hand. what was the great unifying power that assembled 100 murdering cutthroats at cedar city? what was the ONLY unifying power in utah at that time? if you said the mormon church and it's head brigham young, you would be right.
john d lee was only one of the murdering cutthroats commissioned by brigham young at the time. there were many others. if you look at mountain meadows massacre, you will deduce logically there were at least 100 assassins willing to do whatever brigham young told them to do.
john d lee was a blood atoner. he was executed for his part in the massacre. before the mountain meadows massacre he slit the throats of many people, mormon and non mormon, so their blood would be shed so they could personally atone for their own sins. probably most people don't know about mountain meadows massacre. not 1 mormon in a thousand knows about blood atonement as practiced in early utah.
Like her videos, but I have a feeling this girl was hurt someway that involved someone within the church.
Not at all! I was never Mormon and all my Mormon friends and neighbors are wonderful! I have no problem with the people, nor was a hurt by them. I just care to expose the belief system.. past and present. Brigham Young was a very corrupt man and a false prophet, alongside the rest of the LDS claimed prophets. I just cover all the topics and this awful one is unfortunately part of their dark history.
If you say so. Probably some small slight or judgement that you precieved from them that effected you deeply for some reason.
I say this cause at times you have this facial expression that is almost a smile when saying certain points which you think is heavily in your favor which makes me think of a woman scorned.
I could be off though, but if what you say is true I'm curious if you do this for any other religion?
maxwell that's not how the missionaries preach when knocking on your door.
Fact is there young kids still who really don't fully understand there own testimonies let alone the full truth of Mormons foundations. So to look at them like you do and judge them so is shame on you. Even if the founders aren't the men they claim to be these young men are not them and should not automatically be shown hate towards like you seem to do. They usually are very good people If only naive and are subject to there upbringing
maxwell ohhhh boy. Yes burn them all, that's the way of god right? No matter the church/religion there are still good people that can be found. People can be falsely led astray in faith and still be good people, you should remember that
Instead of psychoanalyzing Jesse go learn about your own religion.
Thanks for sharing
Jesse, as soon as you mentioned NPR and the New York Times you lost me. They are notorious for not telling the whole truth. Be careful what you believe.....
@@craigbennett5618 I'm not claiming that those are reliable sources. I site MANY sources throughout my videos and often, the sources I read from provide additional sources. I do not trust NPR either, just so you're aware. But nonetheless, the information in this video is very important and it's difficult to find information on it, quite honestly. The story needs to be told so I did my best.
The church simply is not true. What further evidence is needed? The cover up continues to this day. Sunday school manuals all talk about the trials the pioneer saints went through but never mention the most vile atrocities committed by members of their faith.
It's not the church's job to search for the most depressing points of history done by mental people acting on their own, and plaster them in spiritual lessons intended to help members become more Christlike. Does that make sense?
dlariby No, but it IS it’s job to sugarcoat everything (with a cherry on top)
It's a shame that things go covered up by texted books and other people too... I sure hope there are not any movies out out by the LDS Church to benefit from the facts or fake facts.
How can the Church get away with such a thing even make a movie on this. As I said I hope the LDS Church gets $0.00 zero dollars and change from the movie.
Thank you for this story Jessie.
The First September 11th
So they got away with it because they murdered all the witnesses?
No- one of the men responsible was executed, all of the men involved were excommunicated and chased down and most spent their life running from the law.
@@kylebraby2357 JOHN D. LEE DID THIS DIRTY JOB FOR YOUNG, THE REAL RESPONSIBLE PERSON WAS BRIGHAM YOUNG, AND NOT LEE.
@@NightmareDorothy This is not accurate at all, where have you gotten your information?? Young was not involved in this at all. History even reports him sending word not to hurt the people.. the letter showed up just a day late... so there goes this terrible comment.
Some great points. Although…
I have been to the memorial that the Church established there to take about the only accountability possible. I have served a mission in Arkansas and was asked about this event many times. It’s hard to know for sure all that occurred and all of the factors leading up to this atrocity.
There is no justification for this horrible event.
I have read multiple accounts from multiple perspectives.
I have been to Southern Utah with my father and spoken to Old West historians and old locals and one story is that there was a flour mill in Parowan where a man worked who helped another man in the Baker-Fancher train, part of the party that was murdered, just before they made their way to camp at Meadow Mountain. This man was an immigrant to the valley and settled there after bringing his family from Missouri.
The man who worked at the mill recognized this particular member of the party passing through as the same who had raped his own wife while residents of Missouri and part of the extermination order by Governor Boggs. He swore to himself he would take revenge if he ever crossed paths with him again.
His family has posterity still there.
This is not a justification but it is a known fact that he, and others, charged up locals there and engaged indigenous people, believing some in the party were dangerous and justifying a preemptive attack. Unsure of where they planned to settle or what they would do next.
There were some compelled to follow Lee. There were others who did not. Those that murdered these did so with the justice of God to answer to. I do not believe they were directed by Brigham Young. If this was their modus operandi they would have reacted much differently to Johnson’s Army when they came through. As only one example. There would have been multiple incidents like these from Illinois to Missouri and on and on.
This was a tragic, isolated incident from those who acted out of vengeance and fear. It’s not a reflection of the Church in general anymore than the Hans Mill Massacre is a reflection of the citizens of Missouri in general.
there is a book written by john d leel it's called Mormonism Unveiled
i doesn't sound like you read it.
he covers the points you made, and he was an avenging angel from the time of joseph smith. he killed many people for the church.
another avenging angel is bill hickman. he was another avenging angel. he also wrote a book.
at the time of the massacre general johnston was marching to utah. why? why was general johnston marching on utah? because the official stance of the mormon church was to not be subject to the united states. the mormon church wanted to be a theocracy. the mormon church wanted the state of utah to be run by the mormon church not the gov't.
there had been many murders committed in utah, and the murderers could not be tried in an honest court. so congress sent the army to utah to force the issue.
you brought up the issue of hans mill. yes there was a war in missouri. the mormons lost it. what was the basis? joseph smith was charged trying to get the indians to revolt and trying to get the slaves to revolt against their masters.
so people were afraid of being murdered in their sleep by their slaves and indians. then the land would be cheap and the mormons could buy it for cheap. the mormon church doesn't bring that point out to their members do they. why not? it's a very important point.
joseph smith was indicted in court in Mo. on charges of treason. the mormon church doesn't tell you that does it. joseph smith fled across state lines to avoid prosecution. that mormon church doesn't tell you that does it.
there's a lot of things the mormon church doesn't mention at all when they talk about their history. that's very deceptive isn't it. why does the mormon church have to be deceptive if they're being perfectly honest?
We were taught that we should ignore anything that didn't come from the first presidency as children. I grew up in the church. And remember the catholic kids always trying to tell us about this lie. So happy that I didn't die in the mass of lies . Thanks again for your effort to help blind people in the church.
God bless you Jessie!! Finding your channel has stopped me from making the biggest mistake of my life. I was set to be Baptized on the 31st and I blindly chose to believe everything the missionaries told me but I'm awake now! Thank you so much.
I'll pray you seek out Biblical Christianity! 💕 Thanks for commenting and I'm glad you have been diligent in researching out this belief system. We have to know *WHY* we believe *WHAT* we believe.
Go watch New Name Noah on TH-cam
@@OneLove-nx1mu Yeah I've watched a ton of his content. Specifically the hidden cameras in the chapels and temples.
My bad. I left that on the wrong comment. Was meaning to reply to someone saying they almost got baptized.
I just found your channel and I'm so excited someone is putting true content out about the cult!
I'm currently bing watching your videos💜
we all want to give you a jessie heart reply. we all want to give jessie a heart reply too. think of all the time she spends answering comments, and the time she spends looking up facts for the videos. she was not raised mormon, so it must take a lot of time drilling down in books she is not familiar with. books which are objectionable to someone sensitive to the holy spirit.
I am a McMurdie Brigham Young definitely dictated this massacre and it's cover up that is what my family has taught me
Your family is full of crap.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo I've wondered that
@@JohnDLee-im4lo I've always said history is just his story
@@kylemcmurdie8702 BY did all he could to cover up the massacre but he didn't know about it until my grandfather rode to his office 10 days later.
@Kenzie K Hater's lies...if you're comfortable in spreading these outrageous preveracations, have at it.
Excellent work, I knew non of this. Thank you so much!.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
America's second 9/11...„"The pieces of the bodies of infidels were flying like dust particles. If you would have seen it with your own eyes, you would have been very pleased, and your heart would have been filled with joy.“ - Osama bin Laden
Another mormon history cover up, instead of just saying the truth and apologized to this people, instead request apologies from the mormons persecutors of the past, this is a very hipocryte religion.this masacre was done by mormon religious fanatics that founded UTAH Mormons ,as usual make cover ups for their fanatics prophets and zealots instead of telling the truth.
Thanks Jess.Keep up the great work.🌹
Haun's Mill October 30th 1838 do a video on that if you want to talk about religious terrorism
If i could get past your beauty.....
Source: the history channel btw
“In regard to emigration trains passing through our settlements,” Young continued, “we must not interfere with them untill they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them. There are no other trains going south that I know of[.] [I]f those who are there will leave let them go in peace. While we should be on the alert, on hand and always ready we should also possess ourselves in patience, preserving ourselves and property ever remembering that God rules.”
Brigham Young to Isaac C. Haight, Sept. 10, 1857, Letterpress Copybook 3:827-28, Brigham Young Office Files, Church Archives.
Good to know. I always knew mormons were nobody anyone should mess with. Their soft demeanor, gentle and lovable families. Goes to show, if they see the need, they won't hesitate to end your life.
That's like comparing a modern day Christian to a Templar. Calm down.
Yes that history its gruesome. Rest assured if I we're granted the power like that to lead I would reject it knowing I'm not ready. Also I would not promote Joseph Smith so much I would let him rest in peace☺ lots of people have had divine intervention. And miracles. And life changing events that could only be described as one thing, That God has heard my prayers!
This is so horrible....
"vengeance is mine i will repay," -Yahweh.
Reading some psalms and praying for the eyes of more mormons and people in general to be opened. This is so important. How can they defend this.
COME OUT AND BE YE SEPERATE
Sounds like the same God of the old testament to me. He's more than willing to kill children and commit genocide.
God of the old testament? Jesus is God in theflesh. So technically jesus gave the us the Torah not just some old testament God. And I'm sorry you'd have to do your own studying if you want to understand the killing.
@@angeldream1 I've come to my conclusion that the genocide is wrong. But I'd be interested to hear why you praise a God that commits genocide and murder?
I asked about this at the church I used to attend and they told that it was done by a fringe group. They seemed to blame a lot on fringe groups and not the main church. Like having more then one wife was also only done by the fringe groups and not in the church itself.
Doesn’t her faith damn all souls to hell, fire, and damnation forever. Even the innocent, the ignorant, and any who never were “born again”?
"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Great video. I came upon you by chance as I was fortunate to have a book I had written about the true story of an English Mormon born 200 years ago published called, 'The Pugmire Faith: The Cumberland Blacksmith and the Mountain Meadows Massacre'.
Will Bagley admits he never believed the LDS church from a young child. The writings he wrote come from a hateful perspective of the LDS church. Notice Jessie uses LDS hate sources as her material for research! Yet Jessie doesn't tell you the burning of Christians and Bibles done by Catholics. Jessie is a wolf in sheep's clothing that gives you much false information and sources that leave out facts!
I have Lee Lineage but dont know if he is my lineage.
I do knowmy lineage is connected to the settlers from Arkansas.
Im appealed that me relatives are in the LDS church and some i asked them about the events and they never realized that it took place. I Demand Restitution
I know this has nothing to do with the subject, but when you said that religions are taking responsibility for past crimes, such as the Catholic church taking responsibility for the holocaust. Why should they? The Catholic church had nothing to do with it. Infact, Catholics were heavily persecuted by the Nazi's in Poland. Shouldn't German Protestants be taking responsibility for that? That is who was in charge, right?
Religions of all flavors just love to play the "We're so persecuted!" line. It seems you Catholics are no better than the Mormons in this regard.
@@geonerd First, I never stated that Catholics were completely innocent. You just came to the assumption that that's what I said.
Second, my point still stands. What the hell does the Catholic church have to do with the holocaust? No one has answered that question yet.
Third, I am fully aware that no religion is innocent, nor are the non-religious.
One thing the LDS did not talk about was why Eliza R. Snow did not have children. It had to do with something that happened to her and other LDS young women when they were considered undesirables by their Missouri neighbors:
www.withoutend.org/eliza-r-snow-wasnt-lds-leader-sexually-assaulted-Missouri/
something happened to eliza r snow? are you going to say she was raped and so she couldn't have children? we don't know if she was raped, but we do know she committed adultery with joseph smith. what's a woman called who commits adultery with the husband of her best friend? in non mormon society she is called a whore. in mormon circles adultery is defended vigorously as the path to godhood.
@Kenzie K phd didn't read where the story came from, or is in complete denial. the story is cited in the wiki about eliza r snow. it comes from a woman who overheard some other women talking when she was a little girl, and she wrote the story down 50 years after she heard it. enough said, i hope.
Just wanted to interject. I was married to a descendent of Joseph Fish. One of the Mormon men living and involved in the mountain meadows massacre. In his journal (purchased by the LDS church approximately a decade ago). He described members directly meeting with Brigham Young, and addressing what to do with him. He describes the men holding a prayer circle to determine whether to kill the members of the party or not, and more. I no longer have access to a copy of the journal, but it would be interesting to find out if you could find another copy. The family was instructed to not make a copy as the church owned the rights and they paid TOP dollar for the diary.
Wow. I'll see what I can find! Most things are available on the internet these days, despite how hard people try to conceal them.
Oh...research a journal you no longer have access to? Your snarky summary reeks of hate and vitriol. You have not a scrap of evidence, yet you bloviate as if you did. Hey...I have a journal that says President Buchanan authorized the massacre. I would be interested to find out if you can run that down for me...idiot.
“In regard to emigration trains passing through our settlements,” Young continued, “we must not interfere with them untill they are first notified to keep away. You must not meddle with them. The Indians we expect will do as they please but you should try and preserve good feelings with them. There are no other trains going south that I know of[.] [I]f those who are there will leave let them go in peace. While we should be on the alert, on hand and always ready we should also possess ourselves in patience, preserving ourselves and property ever remembering that God rules.”6
- Brigham Young.
Below are more facts on the matter
www.lds.org/study/ensign/2007/09/the-mountain-meadows-massacre?lang=eng
Mormon paid apologies
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I'll be back with a new video soon!! We just had a super extra busy week.
It's Me Jessie can't wait!!!!
@@alanam9103 Aww, well you just made my day. Thank you. 💕