This is Part 1 of 3 Massimo MSU 500 not cranking over
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- This is Part 1 of 3 Massimo MSU 500 not cranking over. This Massimo MSU 500 has multiple issue that I will be going over in this three part series. Part 1 is diagnosing the not cranking over issue & replacing the failed part. I have links below for the parts & tools used in this video. If you have any questions regarding this video are any other Utv, atv are motorcycle.
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I have a ‘19 model T-Boss 550, since new, sometimes when the key is turned, it may turn a 1/4 turn, key back off, it fires right up, I put a new battery in March, same thing but never hurt anything, it always started so no big deal….until tonight! It started really hard but it started, cruising around my neighborhood, I noticed it was steering funny as if it was in 4x4 or the rear axle was locked together & I had no power to the “dashboard (speedometer etc)
I do have a click when I turn the key & my LED light bars shine like they always did, if this whole time, it’s been a simple solenoid, I owe you big time. Thanks for the idea
Hey Bradley. I'm glad to hear that you got the problem figured out & that my videos helped give you some ideas of what was wrong.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 it ended up that I had 2 problems: 1.) the solenoid was the culprit for my 1/4 turn starts ($8.50 on Amazon) after replacement I still had a no start, no dashboard condition. I started pulling fuses, the 15 amp turn signal fuse was blown. I replaced it & everything is great…my point is: if you own 1 of these machines, stock up on solenoids & fuses…they’re cheap but I could see this causing someone a lot of grief & money to repair
Heck yeah thanks for your video this is exactly what was wrong with my Bennche.
Hey Tdub781. I'm glad my video was helpful for you. This is exactly why I make the videos I do.
Thank you! There's not enough content on the Massimo/HiSun's. I have an MSU-500 myself. Bought it cheap a few years ago. Just needs some TLC and routines.
Well if you have any questions feel free to leave a comment & I'll be more than glad to help you out.
Great info just replaced the starter and solenoid and gave you a shout out
Hey Adams Family Homestead. I really appreciate that very much. I'm glad my videos could help you out. Feel free to comment are email me if you have any other questions.
Hey man love the content here! Really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos. Gpt an MSU 500 and initially it would start and run about 5 minutes. Then crank no start. Wait a day or two might start might not. Someone at some point buried the thing in mud. So to start working on it I removed the battery and washed it down pretty good. Now for the second issue. Battery reinstalled after about a month (good charge). Now no power anywhere. Checked main fuse and it's good. I mean nothing comes on. Lights, fuel pump, horn, nothing. Any idea why it would not let voltage get to any of the electronics? Thanks again for your content!
It's a possibility that the key switch is bad, are it could be the relay box are even the ecu since it was sunk. I would check all those connector & make sure the ecu pins are not corroded. I've seen that before.
Thanks for your video.
I have a massimo 700 that will drain the battery overnight randomly. Sometimes it will happen once a month and sometimes it'll happen after a couple of months. I always make sure the key is off & not on accessary. I have replaced the battery twice with the same problem. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
The wiring harness is one of the biggest issues on these machines. I would start by going through all your connectors & making sure they aren't corroded & put dielectric grease on them all. I have also installed a battery cut off switch on some utvs & with the flip of the switch it cuts all power from the battery to any part of the unit. You will have to go a Voltage draw test & start pulling fuses & possibly connectors to see when the voltage draw stops & what ever is running off that part of the harness will be the issue. That could be multiple things tho. I would start with the 9 pin white connectors first.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Thank you for the help. I'm going to do the dielectric grease & also place a continuous duty solenoid in the main battery cable & control it with a toggle switch on the dash. Once again Thank you.
Great video! You seem very knowledgeable on these units. I have a question for you. I have a 2012 Qlink 500 Hisun engine. I have less than 75 miles on the vehicle. My question is what causes hard starts? I thought it was the battery not having enough power, but I replaced the battery 2 times with no changes. It does crank, but hesitates and finally turns over. In your opinion, could it be the starter or adjusting the valves or something else?
I would definitely check the valve clearances. If you haven't done so yet I would up the CCA on you battery also. Anthony thing it could be is that the onway bear, wet clutch ect in also moving when trying to start the unit up. That will add an extra load to the small batteries these things use. You can also up the gauge of wire for the positive & negative cables.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 I actually upgraded my battery a few years ago to a deep cycle marine battery. I mounted the battery in the dump bed and extended the battery cables from the battery box up front to the back battery in the bed. I used an old jumper cable wires for the extension, they are nice and heavy gauge. I plan on checking the valve clearances this week. Is the wet clutch stuff hard to check? Do you have a video or cut sheets on the wet clutch service?
I have multiple videos on the 500 wet clutch replacement. It's a simple job just a little time consuming.
@@robertwhitley661 A Deep cycle Marine battery is the opposite of what you want. They have good reserve capacity but low CCA. A starting battery puts out more amperage for starting and will turn the motor over faster..
Hey Kyle thanks for the videos. I have a Massimo 500 new battery and solenoid turn the key wait for electronic fuel injection,turn key nothing no click, nothing. Try maybe 2 or 3 times then just cranks right up. Not sure what the problem. Also if possible can you do a video on adjusting hand break. Thanks
You I have ran across brand new starter solenoids being bad. Also make sure all you're power & ground wires are clean &alimg good contact.
I have a 2018 cub cadet challenger and when you put it in reverse you can hold it wide open and the rev limiter kicks in and it just bucks back and forth any help would be appreciated
Hey Brandon. I think I just sent you an email on what to check. You need to pull that green/Blue wire out of pin 16 on the Grey connector on the ECU.
What would case the starter to keep cranking after you turn the key off. Because it started up fine rode it for a bit and the went to go turn the key off and the starter kept cranking
Bad starter solenoid. It can either not engage the starter are it can not disengage. They are pretty cheaply made.
Woman here so bare with me- When touching the screwdriver to the solenoid and it barely sparks and/or does not start the machine up. Does that mean its a bad solenoid and needs replacing?
Hey Jana J. Thanks for checking out my video. My first question would be is the battery a good battery? Also does the motor turn over when you turn your key? Aslo did you have your key turned to the on position when you jumped the solenoid? Did the motor turn over slowly are like it usually does?
Hey, I really appreciate the content on the massimo lineup. It's really hard to find any info on them. I recently purchased a used 2014 msu 500 and it seems like there's a coolant leak from one of the lines. I can see the line but there's definitely not enough working room to actually replace the line. I'm curious if you've ever needed to replace a coolant line on one of these and if so what was the easiest way to gain access to it? Any help is greatly appreciated!
Hey Jeremy. I have replaced a few in the past & I've been unlucky enough to have to do it when I have had the motor out of the unit. Unfortunately they didn't makes these easy to work on.. A lot of after thoughts when they made these. I wish I could of been more of a help.
Thank you
Your welcome? Lol. I'm guessing the video helped you out?
2014 massimo 500, wont start. Replaced injector, installed inline fuel filter, and replaced IAC sensor. Fuel pump delivers to injector, but not spraying. Will kick if i spray gas in the intake. Thanks in advance
Hey Jeremiah. Are you sure the injector us getting voltage? I would start there. The pick up coil & ecm is what tells the injector to fire.
What does it mean if you arent sparking at all between the solenoid at all? Mine ran. Stopped it. Doesnt start at all. Swapped solenoid spark plug fuel pump goes but no crank. Noticed get no spark start at all.
So when you jump the starter solenoid you don't get any cranking at all? If you turn your key on do you get power to everything else?
Where im at today. Everything else but a crank. Ran voltage check to the wire to spark plug. Ran it to the square piece wire hooks into under seat. Fuel pump kicks on with key. Lights everything else come on. Just wont crank with turn of key. Already swapped solenoid out no spark jumping across. I think doing testing my black wire from battery to motor spot next to battery is shot. It also jumps from solenoid to starter at same battery terminal. When ohming out all connected it has a terrible read at terminal to starter part of cable. No read from short two piece to area next to battery and beeps. No beep from solenoid to starter.
Ok so mine I tried jumping solenoid but still won’t turn over solenoid just clicks and when I just it motor doesn’t turn over any suggestions?
Make sure that your battery has at least 12volts. When you try to start it check to see how many volts you drop when you try to crank it over. You should only drop 1v maybe 1.5volts. But it's a really good possibility you have a bad starter. Take the spark plug out, jump the solenoid & see if it cranks over. If is doesn't still I would pull the butter CVT cover off & male sure the motor turns over by hand. Jist incase it locked up for some reason.
I'm looking at a 2015 used version any advise on what to look for / look out for?
Oh man there is so much stuff to look out for on these things. Make sure is starts right up & holds a good steady idle. Make sure you can smoothly shift into all gears while you are setting at an idle. You should have to put your foot on the brake to shift to reverse. Make sure there isn't any kicking & bucking on take off in HI gear. Make sure that the diff lock works & the 4x4 work by actual driving it & trying them. Make sure when you do test drive it that it doesn't just fall flat on its face around 15 to 20mph. That would indicate wore off cam lobes. Just look over it very very well.
There is so much to look out for when you're checking out one of these units. You want to make sure that it starts right up and idle smoothly. You want to make sure you can shift in and out of every gear while sitting at an idol smoothly. You want to make sure there is no kicking and bucking when taking off in high gear. Make sure that the locking differential button and the 4x4 button actually work while test driving it. Make sure when test driving it that it goes above 15 and 20 miles an hour without falling flat does not accelerate. It is probably a wore out cam lobe. The five hundreds are notorious for stretching the timing chains and breaking the timing chain tensioners and also wearing off the cam lobes. Also, make sure there is no grinding or popping the sound when letting off the gas and letting it deaccelerate until it stops.. There is a ton of stuff to look out for just be smart and look over everything.
I put a brand new relay on it and it still won’t charge unless I have a charger hooked up to the battery
Hey Jason. Well replacing the relay has nothing to do with the charging system. That's going to be either a stator are regulator/ rectifier issue. I have a video on how to test your charging system.
I replaced the solenoid and it still want start? I can jump it over like you do on the video. Fuse is fine.
Any suggestions?
Hey Trey. So you get nothing when you turn the key to the start position? Only when you jump the solenoid but still won't fire off? Possible ignition issue. Are you getting spark at all?
I'm wondering if you cold make a recommendation. I have a 2021 Coleman UTV 400 with only 15 hours on it. It was starting fine until a few weeks ago, then I would have to repeatedly have try and start it about 4 times or so before it would actually start, at which time it would run really rough until it warmed up, then it would start without any problems and run just fine.
Someone told me I may have bad gas, another said they had the same problem and adjusting the valve lash resolved their issue, but I was thinking possible a choke problem.
I did replace the plug, which had a bit of black soot on it. But two hours of running the UTV later, I rechecked the plug and it had soot on it again, but not as bad.
I did purchase it only a few months ago, so it had been basically sitting, for the most part, at the store for around 18 months, so the gas wasn't the greatest, but starting it had never been a problem until now. I poured in some seafoam, which someone recommended and filled the tank with fresh gas and have been letting it run just to use all the gas in the tank, but the starting problem has gotten worse.
Any input on what it could be or what I can check would be highly appreciated. Thank you.
I would definitely try to do a ecu reset then Maybe check the valve clearances. It could be a bad IAC motor also. Also the O2 sensor could be going bad also. But I would start with the ecu reset them gp drive it around at all different speeds & throttle positions & see if the ecu relearns the parameters. With the unit just being started up at the store & never really drop around the ecu could of got way out of wack on the fueling since it was never really warmed up & driven around before you bought it.
Great video have the same Massimo 500 having a problem with the starter solenoid and the cdi ignition. Do you have a specific place you buy your parts or do you just order off Amazon. Thanks
Hey Gerald McRae thanks for stopping in & checking out my channel. I personally like to get the O.E.M. part but since the machine is a Chinese built one it's the exact same parts on Amazon but a way cheaper price. You can just type on what part it is you're looking for & it should come up if it is available on Amazon. If you can't find it there I use scautosports.com for Massimo parts.
Hey Gerald sorry just saw this comment. Stuff like that I just buy off of Amazon because it's the dame cheap crap lol
where can i buy a 2020 massimo buck 400 starter and new ignition switch
Partsboss.com . I believe the bennche 400 is the exact same as the massimo/ hisun
i have a massimo 500 it says its in 4 wheel drive but only front wheels are pulling and wont come out of 4wheel drive...any idea
Hey Phil thanks for stopping & checking out my channel. It sounds like your 4x4 actuator might have went bad. when you flip the switch can you hear the electric motor make any sounds? I'm not really sure what you mean by only your front wheels are pulling. The front & rear wheels are driven by the same clutch & transmission system.
My MSU-500 won't stay idling after changing the battery. Only difference is the battery. I replaced the aftermarket from O'Reilly's (SuperStart U1LH) 230 CCA, with a (SuperStart U1LUH) 350 CCA. Could that be the problem? Am I missing a reset? What should I check next?
Hey Uncle J's. Thanks for checking out me videos. Honestly a battery should not effect how it The motor idles unless it's not charging properly. Most of the time when they don't idle right I usually did that the intake track & throttle body is really dirty causing the IAC( idle air control) motor not to work properly.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Appreciate the reply. I went out this morning to try resetting the ECU.. But it ended up running fine.
Is the valve adjustment the same as the 800, as far as the procedure
Hey Tristan. Yeah it's the same thing. Just make sure that you're on TDC compression stroke on what ever cylinder your working on.
(Not a machanic) mine is turning over. Power coming on, solenoid is clicking, but all I hear is spinning from the engine area. I put a new spark plug in… what could be the issue? Thanks in advance!
When you say spinning, do you mean the motor isn't turning over you just hear a spinning sound of the gears? Are does the motor turn over & not start?
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Mine turns over but will not crank unless I hold the gas down but will not idle. Any suggestions?
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394I have the issue. It will spin something in the engine area. But will not crank over.
Any suggestions? Thank you of the video
If the starter is turning over and the engine is not it's most likely going to be the starter clutch on the back of the flywheel. You can find a starter clutch / one-way bearing on eBay not very expensive at all the pain in the butt is just changing it
Have part number?
Check down in the description. I believe I put them there. If not let me know & i will look it up for you.
Hey I meant to ask you. On the 500/700 Massimo/Hisun etc did they beef up the middle drive gear plate? I know the 660’s/700 Yamaha’s had issues with it breaking and there is a billet aftermarket part but was wondering if it would fit on the 500/700 Hisuns.
Also the Hisun/Massimo are geared taller than the Rhino’s were and wondering if you know if the Yamaha middle drive gears/shaft will bolt in the the Hisun and vice versa.
Honestly it looks like all the others I have ever seen. I just shoot a video on a complete motor rebuild on a 2015 Massimo MSU 700 & I didn't pay attention if it was different than the newer one.
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I don’t think they would be any different between Massimo units but what I’m asking is are they different than the rhino.
Sometimes when they clone stuff they do try to upgrade the parts if they know something failed on the big brand-name units. I haven’t heard of one of these Chinese built 700 side-by-side breaking the middle drive gear so that’s why I was wondering.
Unfortunately really couldn't tell you.
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Well if you take another one of those apart can you take some good video of that middle drive gear flange and the parts and what not and bonus points if you happen to have a Yamaha grizzly or a rhino apart and see if the parts are in or changeable.
Yeah for sure. I should have some pretty good shots from this 700. I've been working on a lot of grizzlies here lately just nothing to where I have to split the cases. Well as of yet lol.
Thanks for the info. Have any ideas why my MSU500 is not moving forward or backwards. Much appreciated!!
Hey Norma. There is a good possibility that you wet clutch are the oneway bearing has gone bad. it's most likely a clutch issue unless your belt has broken. Definitely check you'd shift linkage too.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 Belt is not broken, will check other tips.
Thank you!!
I do have a video that talks about the clutch & what I had to do to repair it.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 would you be to tell where I can find it please.
It's called, This is part 2 of 3 on this 2005 MSU 500. You should be able to find it on my You tube channel.
Mine will not crank up unless I hold the gas pedal down but will not idle. Does anyone have any suggestions?
A few things to try & check. Have you done an ecu reset? If so I would check you intake track & throttle body if it is a EFI unit. Take the IAC motor offthe throttle body & clean it & spray out the passage for the IAC motor. Check for ait leaks on the intake. Also check vavle clearances, you should do a leak down test to check the health of the motor. If it's a 500 you should check cam timing & see if the cam lobs are wore off. Also I'd the fuel pump priming? Also check to see if you have at least 38-42 psi & that it hold pressure for at least 5mins after turning the key off. Also could have an issue with the TPS sensor.
My seloniod energizes but still wont turn over. Any help?
So you're getting power across the solenoid when you turn key to start? You can have a solenoid that clicks but that doesn't mean it's any good. Did you try jumping it to see if it would turn over? I have changed a fee starters but most of the time it was the solenoid. You can also check to see if you're getting power to the starter when you're trying to start you unit up.
Do you know what size battery these come with
No I sure don't unfortunately & I don't have one in the shop to check either
My 2011 Massimo Rebel 400 wont pump any fuel I put a brand new fuel pump on a brand new carburetor I still get nothing runs on starting fluid
Hey Malcolm. Sounds like you may not be getting any power to your fuel pump. I would definitely check it for power at the plug on the fuel pump. It could be a bad relaybox are just the fuse in the relay box. possibly the ignition could be corroded. I would Stat with those things first.
I have a 2012 massimo 500 could use some help with a few issues can you help
Hey Jesse. I will try my best to help you out. What seams to be the problem?
This model 500 shift link keeps jumping out of low gear
Shifting is just terrible
Hanging wide open without the cable
I did all that and it's still doing the same thing what else can I try
So when you say the same thing do you mean still not cranking over? When you turn the ignition on does your fuel pump & everything else come on?
@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 yes it won't crank but fuel pump comes on I have already replaced the starter also
If you jump the starter solenoid does the motor crank over? I have bought new starter solenoids that were bad. It may be the ignition are you could have a break in the wires that go from the ignition to the starter solenoid. I would test then for continuity.
@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 jumping the solenoid the engine won't start it was starting good and the next day went to start it up again and it wouldn't turn over it was doing some clicking noise yesterday and then went back to doing the same thing turn the key and made no noise
I turn the key and you hear the fuel pump and dash lights come on still
I put an exhaust silencer on mine and it really helped with the loudness.
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Can you tell me where the oil pressure sensor wire goes to
As in
From oil pressure sensor to ?
Hey M C. What year & make & model is yours? I have a 2015 Msu 700 motor sitting right next to me & there isn't a oil pressure sensor on this motor. It has a Gear position sensor & a reverse sensor that is all.
@@limitlesspowersportsservic3394 mine is a 2008 Hisun supermach 800 best I can figure it’s an oil pressure sensor but I’m going by the repair manual as best as I can figure out
Thanks for your response
Cyle do you have a phone number or a email address where we can contact you I'm trying to see if you have any videos on how to replace the brake on a Massimo 500 I have adjusted the emergency brake the way they say to do it but will not hold can not find anyone near near to work on a Massimo thanks for any help you can provide
Hey Carl thanks for the comment and checking out the channel. I do not have any videos on how to adjust the emergency brake on that. It is a very common problem on those for them not to work very well at all. there's multiple spots to adjust it. I believe there's a spot on the brake caliper itself. I also believe there is an adjustment in the line. And one up at the handbrake. but you can email me at limitlesspowersports78@gmail.com