Nicely done. I once pointed out to some young Muslims, that during this period, scholars would openly critique the text and the content of the book variants. But by having this nonsense of perfect presentation - Islam made itself brittle & immoveable. It created & imposed a standard upon itself, that it can't sustain.
They are obliged to make those claims because the Quran itself states that Allah promises to preserve it. It can be argued, however, that the preserved Quran are the tablets in paradise, but the printed version is not protected.
@@_John_P Even the word, "preserve" I've seen taken to mean that Mo, "preserved" the contents by the ways in which he acted, spoken & thought. That he effectively embodied the book. Either way, they made a rod for their own back.
in the Syriac language which many Syrian Christians still write in it, If you write the name Muhammad it looks like Christ in Arabic, many researchers said the what Muslims say, that the Abbasid who came from central Iran were Agnostic Christians and their slogan was Muhammad(Christ) is a prophet of Allah, so this is the link that the Abbasid who established Sunni Islam rituals where Christians and Islam was formed in Abbasid era
Hi, I came from a Muslim family, so far I know, one manuscript is in the museum which was reciting by Usman/ umor faruq, the main sahabi of prophet Muhammad (when he was reading it, he was killed and his blood also on it), maybe it was the first collected written version of QURAN.
The reason Muslims cannot admit textual variation like Christians is because then they have to validate Christian textual criticism and then face the REAL elephant in the room which is the undeniable fact that the Quran assumes continuity with the Bible just as the Christians do the same with the Tanakh. Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel that is with them.” Sura 53:36: "Nay is he not acquainted with what IS IN THE BOOKS OF MOSES." Sura 5:46: "But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which IS the command of God." Sura 5:50: "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious." Sura 5:71: "Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord." Sura 3:93-94: "All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors." Sura. 28:48-49: "But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'" -Notice how Muhammad is commanded to defend both the Quran and the Torah of Moses that was available to him as a guidance from God. No mention of textual corruption whatsoever. Sura 32:23: "We did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: Be not then in doubt of its REACHING (THEE): And we made it a guide to the Children of Israel." These verses presuppose that an uncorrupted Torah and Gospel exist which both Jews and Christians are commanded to study and adhere to. Sura 2:113: "The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK." Sura 3:79: "It is not for a man to whom is given the Book and wisdom and prophecy that he should then say to people, `Be worshippers of me in place of God.' But rather, `Be true teachers (rabbáníyín), since you TEACH the BOOK and you STUDY IT EARNESTLY." Since the burden of proof is on them to show consistency with the last 2 revelations, the whole thing falls apart because the Quran is a badly cobbled together paraphrase of the Bible and other traditions.
Here are 3 facts I have heard about that show there has been a problem with the Quran from the beginning: -2 men came to Muhammid and ask them WHICH was the correct reading of the Quran. They then each recite the verse as they knew it. M said that they were BOTH right and that the Quran is allowed to have 7 different reading per word. -Uthmon destroyed copies of the Quran and made a single standard edition of the Quran. -Some time between 1920-1925 they took conflicting Qurans and threw them into the Nile Rive and allowed for ONE "standard" version.
Mormons have done the SAME thing. There are difference between the 1830 and 1981 editions of the BOOK OF MORMON. What is odd is that they ( Mormons/"LDS") will still try explain-away problems and difference. Esp. on as insane as 1 Nephi 11:18!!!!!!!!
If there is even one change proven by men..it buries the claim on preservation. If we continue to debate ..it points out that Allah makes frequent mistakes. There in we can conclude that the Quran is not from Allah more so Allah never spoke to Muhammad nor was there an angel who took 23 years ..
@@el_killorcure Yes l agree ..That again will be completely stupid because it is just a claim like heaven is in the 7th sky. We cannot deny scientific fact verses claims ..
@@peterrocky4873 Here is my favofite: if you ask them to prove Jesus was not crucified nor died (that is a widely accepted historical claim), they ask you to come up with the "original" Aramaic Injil Jesus received, and when told only them allude to such book, they just insist the NT is corrupted and too far away from Jesus, like threir current Quran had Muhammad's autograph on it. Pointless...
Accepted: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
HAAAAA As the story goes on in many Hadith narratives, that a goat had eaten two of the verses of the Quran- the verse of stoning to death for adultery, and the verse of breast feeding to an adult to make him a Mahrem.
the grammar of the Arabic language ,it's lexicon,it's phonetic systems, it's phraseology has remained intact..for the 14 hundred years, a modern Arabic speaking person can comprehend the holy Quran with as much proficiency as did the Arabs of 14 centuries ago..this..then, is an important attributes of prophet Muhammad ( p.b.u.h) .the Quran, the god revealed for the guidance of mankind exist today in it's original language without the slightest alteration in it's vocabulary...
No, it absolutely doesn't. There are over a thousand difference between the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Koran. These differences are even put up on Wikipedia. The fact that there are so many translations of the Koran itself shows that there are multiple versions of the Koran. Islam cannot even teach you how to translate a book properly
Their are many different Arabic Qurans, the Qurans are called Qiraats and many Qiraats were declared to be false. Their are now over 30 canonical qiraats and they are all different from one another. The differences between Hafs, Warsh, Qaloon, Al-Kisa'i among others. The difference in Malik and Maalik the hafs Qiraat got it wrong. Al-Tabri himself said that the hafs Qiraat is wrong. So you are refuting your own scholars.
"the whole Quran is written in complete and perfect Arabic...it does not contain foreign tongue or loaned words nor influenced of other languages..these leave no possibility for misinterpretation of the written text.,,
The Qur'an created Arabic for an important part. Since the Qur'an is considered perfect, its language has to be so. Therefore the Qur'an is written in perfect Arabic. Each loaned word, foreign language influence or other became pure Arabic from that moment.
@@_John_P There are errors but they're all declared to be the correct way to write Arabic because it is Allah's word. Btw, I do not believe Allah is god.
12:30 Shooting yourself in the foot here Dr. Jay? The earliest *complete* New Testament is the *4th century* Codex Sinaiticus. All earlier NT documents are fragments only.
The Reminder(114 Surats) informs us that there is a Tradition which claims to be an Apostolic Tradition but rejects circumcision while the Apostles were all circumcised, the Apostles didn't believe in Trinity, and prescribed a dietary Law in Acts 15:22-34 which the said Tradition rejects. It is not ironic! On the basis of those clues we can say for sure that: Qur'an is a codeword for Torah. The Reminder is the 114 Surats Islam means an Evangelical Party supposed to enforce the Torah as the Law of the land. Muhammad euphemism for Messiah Abu Quasim as an Arabian Evangelist who later became a Sovereign Ruler, Legislator...and took up Muhammad as a reign name. Unfortunately the "Muhammad" of the Palace and the "Mohammad" of the Shahada in the Mosque got blended together in the Tradition. It's time to differentiate the Palace and the Mosque...under the Messianic title Mohammad.
Al Tabari definitely *did* believe the variant readings had divine origins. Here's an example from his Tafsīr: Q37:12, Hamza, Al Kisā'ī and Khalaf read {بل عجبتُ}, the other 7 readers read {بل عجبتَ}. Al Tabari accepts both as they were widely transmitted and states: فإن قال: أكان التنزيـل بإحداهما أو بكلتـيهما؟ قـيـل: التنزيـل بكلتـيهما، فإن قال: وكيف يكون تنزيـل حرف مرّتـين؟ قـيـل: إنه لـم ينزل مرّتـين، إنـما أنزل مرّة، ولكنه أمر صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يقرأ بـالقراءتـين كلتـيهما If someone says: was the revelation in one of them or both of them? It will be said : The revelation was *in both*. And if he says: How can the harf be revealed twice? It will be said to him: It was not revealed twice, it was revealed once, *but the Prophet (sallallāhu alayhi wa sallam) ordered to read in both of them.* Him criticizing variants (both canonical and non canonical) did not mean he didn't believe in the divinity of the qirā'āt.
A: Koran is corrupted. B: No, I can trace present day Koran to Uthmanic koran. A: Show me Uthmanic Koran. B: 🥴 B: Bible is corrupted. A: Show me uncorrupted Bible. B: 🥴
I believe that as in christianity just as our lord would reveal the complexities of his word to the human man ...he gave them the understanding in their native tongue....what i remember most from the bible is that GOD supressed knowledged because men were at that time attempting to play god ...so he being GOD he devided their tongue ...he divided their understanding of language....so obviously their understanding of what was passed unto them would be in their own understanding of their language...it is only now we've learnt to decifer languages and their interpretations.....THE BIBLE IS ALSO WRITTEN IN THE SAME FORMAT THUS ITS MEANT TO BE READ NOT COVER TO COVER BUT IN TERMS OF PERIODS IN TIME BY THE WORK OF GOD...
Qiraat does not change the meaning of the message. God message is believe in one God no son and pray to glorify Him so that you stay in touch with Him and pay part of your income to ward the unfortunately.
Yes, the Qiraats are proof that scribal errors in the Quran are considered divine even though they were errors made by human beings. This alone proofs to us that the Quran is full of contradiction and it is false, incoherent.
You as former Muslim Arab telling us that Jesus peace upon him was killed on cross He wasn't killed he will be coming back before the end of this world and Jesus is a Muslim and all the prophets came before him and all of them came with same message worship your creator and tell your freind that Jesus not God came as human that not true.
@@universalflamethrower6342 No holes?This is funny coming from someone who believe in a book that is riddled with inconsistencies and corruption and so many versions you Christians are still struggling to figure which is the real Bible and which one you should follow.
Thanks CIRA. Al Fadi and Jay Smith are a great team. . The appearance of 26 different variant Korans. The Muslims have been caught out in their deception. The Muslims were depending on a book but have no savior. Both books agree that Jesus is the the greatest man that ever existed as the lamb sacrifice for sins of the world and forgiveness of sins. That’s why all the lamb sacrifice were performed pointing to the Passover lamb sacrifice. For Christ Jesus our Passover lamb has been sacrificed 1 Corinthians 5:7. Both books agree that Jesus is returning to Jerusalem Judge and rule as king of kings and Lord of Lords. Both books agree that we are all sinners Sura 13:34 and we all need a savior Sura 24:21. and Jesus is god’s mercy and provision for all mankind or savior of the entire world. Yes the Lord Jesus is coming to Jerusalem and is now alive in Paradise having successfully accomplished his mission as the lamb sacrifice for sins. Call on Jesus right now and have Paradise and eternal life with the Lord Jesus forevermore
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
Muslims: The Quran is preserved even to the letter also Muslims: adding dots to the Quran since the arabic language is evolving. they say it won't change the meaning blahblahblah but can you tell me in the Quran that supposedly located in heaven, they have dots or not?
the holy quran is in the same form in which it was reveled ...undoubtedly about that..the act of preservation of Quran is well documented and one can find details on how it's came to be preserved in Hadith books.
Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit... Islam is a false religion and Muhammad is a false prophet who misled billions of people in the world Jesus is supreme Jesus has the power to grant eternal life. Hallelujah to Christ Jesus Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit.... be bless.. peace!...../////.......
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK IT IS EVIDENT THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIAN. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS WAS NEVER SENT TO CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS. JESUS ONLY HAS A VERY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. JESUS WAS BORN TO BE A LEADER WHO WILL SHEPHERD THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, NOT SHEPHERD CHRISTIANS. MATTHEW 2: 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people ISRAEL. JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES, JESUS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS. MARK 12: 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments, Hear, O ISRAEL, The Lord our God is one Lord. JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. JESUS IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT STATES THAT JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. ACTS 13: 23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto ISRAEL A SAVIOUR, JESUS. JESUS BE PRAYED AS KING OF ISRAEL, NOT AS KING OF CHRISTIANS. JOHN 12: 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of ISRAEL that cometh in the name of the Lord. MATTHEW 4: 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. JESUS COMMANDED TO THE FOLLOW JESUS, JESUS NEVER COMMANDED WORSHIP OF JESUS. JOHN 8: 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that FOLLOWETH me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES, JESUS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS. SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO BE A GOD OF CHRISTIANS.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted... the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed we will be it's guardian"... Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that, the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said: " the most accurate and truthful speech is the book of Allah"... ibn Abbas ( r.a) said: " how can you ask the people of the scriptures about their books while you have book of Allah which is the most recent of the books revealed by undistorted form?"... to criticize against Quran is disbelief... Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet ( s.a.w) said: " Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/ argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing is disbelief"...
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Honestly I find them annoying. I don't want to hear it!
Yes I love those ads. 🤣 They give money for our cause
Well the whole idea is to bring muslims, to the truth the way and the life.
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I love what CIRA is doing SO much, I sat through 5 minutes of ads begging for mosque money. Eeewwww
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What a fiery challenge to Muslim apologists !!!
Preservation. You’ve got freeze dried. You’ve got pickled. You’ve got canned. You’ve got dried. You’ve got salted. You’ve got vacuum packed. Take your pick!!
WOW! This is huge!
Nicely done. I once pointed out to some young Muslims, that during this period, scholars would openly critique the text and the content of the book variants.
But by having this nonsense of perfect presentation - Islam made itself brittle & immoveable. It created & imposed a standard upon itself, that it can't sustain.
They are obliged to make those claims because the Quran itself states that Allah promises to preserve it. It can be argued, however, that the preserved Quran are the tablets in paradise, but the printed version is not protected.
@@_John_P Even the word, "preserve" I've seen taken to mean that Mo, "preserved" the contents by the ways in which he acted, spoken & thought. That he effectively embodied the book.
Either way, they made a rod for their own back.
@@_John_P if the Quran is preserved in heaven but corrupt on earth then it’s still a problem because they don’t have what has been revealed
@@frankjaeger9068 They'll tell that Allah knows best.
The one dislike was from Muhammad
Not funny
The standard narrative of the Qurans still has giant holes in it
GIANT
Grated cheese
I'd say the holes are growing, not the standard narrative.
Holes in your brain.
@@abbasbeig3943 No holes in the head of Muhammad aka Allah
... and the holes become great chasms.
Damn I guess we’ve been bamboozled this whole time
Sometimes l feel Aesop fables and Aladdin and his wonderful lamp are better to read
Yes it is better then men written so called full of error Bible
in the Syriac language which many Syrian Christians still write in it, If you write the name Muhammad it looks like Christ in Arabic, many researchers said the what Muslims say, that the Abbasid who came from central Iran were Agnostic Christians and their slogan was Muhammad(Christ) is a prophet of Allah, so this is the link that the Abbasid who established Sunni Islam rituals where Christians and Islam was formed in Abbasid era
Hi, I came from a Muslim family, so far I know, one manuscript is in the museum which was reciting by Usman/ umor faruq, the main sahabi of prophet Muhammad (when he was reading it, he was killed and his blood also on it), maybe it was the first collected written version of QURAN.
The reason Muslims cannot admit textual variation like Christians is because then they have to validate Christian textual criticism and then face the REAL elephant in the room which is the undeniable fact that the Quran assumes continuity with the Bible just as the Christians do the same with the Tanakh.
Sura 7:156-157:
"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel that is with them.”
Sura 53:36:
"Nay is he not acquainted with what IS IN THE BOOKS OF MOSES."
Sura 5:46:
"But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which IS the command of God."
Sura 5:50:
"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious."
Sura 5:71:
"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."
Sura 3:93-94:
"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."
Sura. 28:48-49:
"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"
-Notice how Muhammad is commanded to defend both the Quran and the Torah of Moses that was available to him as a guidance from God. No mention of textual corruption whatsoever.
Sura 32:23:
"We did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: Be not then in doubt of its REACHING (THEE): And we made it a guide to the Children of Israel."
These verses presuppose that an uncorrupted Torah and Gospel exist which both Jews and Christians are commanded to study and adhere to.
Sura 2:113:
"The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
Sura 3:79:
"It is not for a man to whom is given the Book and wisdom and prophecy that he should then say to people, `Be worshippers of me in place of God.' But rather, `Be true teachers (rabbáníyín), since you TEACH the BOOK and you STUDY IT EARNESTLY."
Since the burden of proof is on them to show consistency with the last 2 revelations, the whole thing falls apart because the Quran is a badly cobbled together paraphrase of the Bible and other traditions.
Here are 3 facts I have heard about that show there has been a problem with the Quran from the beginning:
-2 men came to Muhammid and ask them WHICH was the correct reading of the Quran. They then each recite the verse as they knew it. M said that they were BOTH right and that the Quran is allowed to have 7 different reading per word.
-Uthmon destroyed copies of the Quran and made a single standard edition of the Quran.
-Some time between 1920-1925 they took conflicting Qurans and threw them into the Nile Rive and allowed for ONE "standard" version.
The history of Islam is comparable to sky diving without a parachute. It always ends poorly. PBUG
Most religious traditions become less strict.
Islam appears to have gone in the opposite direction. Why? To appear to be more credible?
@Bj D Good point.
Claim a return to 'purity' was needed to return to an era of former glory.
Present day Turkey could be an example as well.
Mormons have done the SAME thing.
There are difference between the 1830 and 1981 editions of the BOOK OF MORMON.
What is odd is that they ( Mormons/"LDS") will still try explain-away problems and difference. Esp. on as insane as 1 Nephi 11:18!!!!!!!!
If there is even one change proven by men..it buries the claim on preservation.
If we continue to debate ..it points out that Allah makes frequent mistakes.
There in we can conclude that the Quran is not from Allah more so Allah never spoke to Muhammad nor was there an angel who took 23 years ..
Nope, they can always claim the copy in heaven is the one preserved.
I've heard that response.
@@el_killorcure They have been dummified
@@el_killorcure Yes l agree ..That again will be completely stupid because it is just a claim like heaven is in the 7th sky. We cannot deny scientific fact verses claims ..
@@peterrocky4873 Here is my favofite: if you ask them to prove Jesus was not crucified nor died (that is a widely accepted historical claim), they ask you to come up with the "original" Aramaic Injil Jesus received, and when told only them allude to such book, they just insist the NT is corrupted and too far away from Jesus, like threir current Quran had Muhammad's autograph on it.
Pointless...
@@el_killorcure yes l agree
Accepted: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
Which camera model are you using to record this series?
So is the 200 plus missing verses from the quran that a goat ate??
HAAAAA As the story goes on in many Hadith narratives, that a goat had eaten two of the verses of the Quran- the verse of stoning to death for adultery, and the verse of breast feeding to an adult to make him a Mahrem.
good video
the grammar of the Arabic language ,it's lexicon,it's phonetic systems,
it's phraseology has remained intact..for the 14 hundred years, a modern Arabic speaking person can comprehend the holy Quran with
as much proficiency as did the Arabs of 14 centuries ago..this..then,
is an important attributes of prophet Muhammad ( p.b.u.h) .the Quran,
the god revealed for the guidance of mankind exist today in it's original language without the slightest alteration in it's vocabulary...
No, it absolutely doesn't. There are over a thousand difference between the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Koran. These differences are even put up on Wikipedia. The fact that there are so many translations of the Koran itself shows that there are multiple versions of the Koran. Islam cannot even teach you how to translate a book properly
Their are many different Arabic Qurans, the Qurans are called Qiraats and many Qiraats were declared to be false. Their are now over 30 canonical qiraats and they are all different from one another. The differences between Hafs, Warsh, Qaloon, Al-Kisa'i among others. The difference in Malik and Maalik the hafs Qiraat got it wrong. Al-Tabri himself said that the hafs Qiraat is wrong. So you are refuting your own scholars.
"the whole Quran is written in complete and perfect Arabic...it does not contain foreign tongue or loaned words nor influenced of other
languages..these leave no possibility for misinterpretation of the
written text.,,
The Qur'an created Arabic for an important part. Since the Qur'an is considered perfect, its language has to be so. Therefore the Qur'an is written in perfect Arabic. Each loaned word, foreign language influence or other became pure Arabic from that moment.
@@_John_P There are errors but they're all declared to be the correct way to write Arabic because it is Allah's word. Btw, I do not believe Allah is god.
You are joking, right? The word quran itself is an aramaic loan word 😄🤨
@@hans471 Of course there are borrowed words but are now declared purely Arabic. Any dissent is -ist and -phobe.
There are more than 270 non Arabic words in your Quran..
12:30 Shooting yourself in the foot here Dr. Jay? The earliest *complete* New Testament is the *4th century* Codex Sinaiticus. All earlier NT documents are fragments only.
The Reminder(114 Surats) informs us that there is a Tradition which claims to be an Apostolic Tradition but rejects circumcision while the Apostles were all circumcised, the Apostles didn't believe in Trinity, and prescribed a dietary Law in Acts 15:22-34 which the said Tradition rejects. It is not ironic!
On the basis of those clues we can say for sure that:
Qur'an is a codeword for Torah.
The Reminder is the 114 Surats
Islam means an Evangelical Party supposed to enforce the Torah as the Law of the land.
Muhammad euphemism for Messiah
Abu Quasim as an Arabian Evangelist who later became a Sovereign Ruler,
Legislator...and took up Muhammad as a reign name.
Unfortunately the "Muhammad" of the Palace and the "Mohammad" of the Shahada in the Mosque got blended together in the Tradition.
It's time to differentiate the Palace and the Mosque...under the Messianic title Mohammad.
Al Tabari definitely *did* believe the variant readings had divine origins. Here's an example from his Tafsīr:
Q37:12, Hamza, Al Kisā'ī and Khalaf read {بل عجبتُ}, the other 7 readers read {بل عجبتَ}. Al Tabari accepts both as they were widely transmitted and states:
فإن قال: أكان التنزيـل بإحداهما أو بكلتـيهما؟ قـيـل: التنزيـل بكلتـيهما، فإن قال: وكيف يكون تنزيـل حرف مرّتـين؟ قـيـل: إنه لـم ينزل مرّتـين، إنـما أنزل مرّة، ولكنه أمر صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يقرأ بـالقراءتـين كلتـيهما
If someone says: was the revelation in one of them or both of them? It will be said : The revelation was *in both*. And if he says: How can the harf be revealed twice? It will be said to him: It was not revealed twice, it was revealed once, *but the Prophet (sallallāhu alayhi wa sallam) ordered to read in both of them.*
Him criticizing variants (both canonical and non canonical) did not mean he didn't believe in the divinity of the qirā'āt.
Grated cheese narrative
A: Koran is corrupted.
B: No, I can trace present day Koran to Uthmanic koran.
A: Show me Uthmanic Koran.
B: 🥴
B: Bible is corrupted.
A: Show me uncorrupted Bible.
B: 🥴
I believe that as in christianity just as our lord would reveal the complexities of his word to the human man ...he gave them the understanding in their native tongue....what i remember most from the bible is that GOD supressed knowledged because men were at that time attempting to play god ...so he being GOD he devided their tongue ...he divided their understanding of language....so obviously their understanding of what was passed unto them would be in their own understanding of their language...it is only now we've learnt to decifer languages and their interpretations.....THE BIBLE IS ALSO WRITTEN IN THE SAME FORMAT THUS ITS MEANT TO BE READ NOT COVER TO COVER BUT IN TERMS OF PERIODS IN TIME BY THE WORK OF GOD...
Qiraat does not change the meaning of the message. God message is believe in one God no son and pray to glorify Him so that you stay in touch with Him and pay part of your income to ward the unfortunately.
Yes, the Qiraats are proof that scribal errors in the Quran are considered divine even though they were errors made by human beings. This alone proofs to us that the Quran is full of contradiction and it is false, incoherent.
Do you think all these militancy came after Persia defeat by the Romans in ME when it occupied the ME and Egypt ! A way to destroy the Romans
You as former Muslim Arab telling us that Jesus peace upon him was killed on cross He wasn't killed he will be coming back before the end of this world and Jesus is a Muslim and all the prophets came before him and all of them came with same message worship your creator and tell your freind that Jesus not God came as human that not true.
the holey religion of holes within holes within holes within holes
@@onlignebridge4224 I would if I had any holes, but I am afraid someone took all my holes to plug the holes in his narrative
@@universalflamethrower6342
No holes?This is funny coming from someone who believe in a book that is riddled with inconsistencies and corruption and so many versions you Christians are still struggling to figure which is the real Bible and which one you should follow.
Thanks CIRA. Al Fadi and Jay Smith are a great team. . The appearance of 26 different variant Korans. The Muslims have been caught out in their deception. The Muslims were depending on a book but have no savior. Both books agree that Jesus is the the greatest man that ever existed as the lamb sacrifice for sins of the world and forgiveness of sins. That’s why all the lamb sacrifice were performed pointing to the Passover lamb sacrifice. For Christ Jesus our Passover lamb has been sacrificed 1 Corinthians 5:7. Both books agree that Jesus is returning to Jerusalem Judge and rule as king of kings and Lord of Lords. Both books agree that we are all sinners Sura 13:34 and we all need a savior Sura 24:21. and Jesus is god’s mercy and provision for all mankind or savior of the entire world. Yes the Lord Jesus is coming to Jerusalem and is now alive in Paradise having successfully accomplished his mission as the lamb sacrifice for sins. Call on Jesus right now and have Paradise and eternal life with the Lord Jesus forevermore
All religions created by human. Stories in Quran have many similarities in Bible or Torah.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
You need a new narrative.
Muslims: The Quran is preserved even to the letter
also Muslims: adding dots to the Quran since the arabic language is evolving.
they say it won't change the meaning blahblahblah but can you tell me in the Quran that supposedly located in heaven, they have dots or not?
@@onlignebridge4224 so..... Quran in heaven..... Have dots or not? Cause that's my question and you don't answer me....
the holy quran is in the same form in which it was reveled ...undoubtedly about that..the act of preservation of Quran
is well documented and one can find details on how it's came to be
preserved in Hadith books.
lol
Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit... Islam is a false religion and Muhammad is a false prophet who misled billions of people in the world Jesus is supreme Jesus has the power to grant eternal life. Hallelujah to Christ Jesus Trinity : God (Yahweh) + His Word (Jesus) + His Spirit.... be bless.. peace!...../////.......
FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK IT IS EVIDENT THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD OF CHRISTIANS.
JESUS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIAN.
THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS.
JESUS WAS NEVER SENT TO CHRISTIANS.
THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS.
JESUS ONLY HAS A VERY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
MATTHEW 15: 24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL.
JESUS WAS BORN TO BE A LEADER WHO WILL SHEPHERD THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, NOT SHEPHERD CHRISTIANS.
MATTHEW 2: 6
And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people ISRAEL.
JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES, JESUS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS.
MARK 12: 29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments, Hear, O ISRAEL, The Lord our God is one Lord.
JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
JESUS IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS.
THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT STATES THAT JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS.
ACTS 13: 23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto ISRAEL A SAVIOUR, JESUS.
JESUS BE PRAYED AS KING OF ISRAEL, NOT AS KING OF CHRISTIANS.
JOHN 12: 13
Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of ISRAEL that cometh in the name of the Lord.
MATTHEW 4: 10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
JESUS COMMANDED TO THE FOLLOW JESUS, JESUS NEVER COMMANDED WORSHIP OF JESUS.
JOHN 8: 12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that FOLLOWETH me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES, JESUS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS.
SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO BE A GOD OF CHRISTIANS.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
Life is not kind to you.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
You have been and will continue to be discounted and left to speak to the wind.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
Last in the narrative. Sad.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
Copy and Past is so gouch.
The evil quran is a joke.Child rapist are not prophets of god.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
Ibid.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
Ibid.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...
I have already responded as we can see the holes.
the holy Quran have been preserved , it is accurate and undistorted...
the Quran states: " indeed ,it is we sent down the Quran, and indeed
we will be it's guardian"...
Jabir ibn Abdullah( r.a) reported that,
the messenger of Allah ( s.a.w) said:
" the most accurate and truthful
speech is the book of Allah"...
ibn Abbas ( r.a) said:
" how can you ask the people of the scriptures
about their books while you have book of Allah
which is the most recent of the books revealed
by undistorted form?"...
to criticize against Quran is disbelief...
Abdullah ibn Umar ( r.a) reported that the prophet
( s.a.w) said:
" Do not argue concerning the Quran, ( i.e do not oppose/
argue against what the Quran says) for in this arguing
is disbelief"...