So What's Wrong With San Miguel de Allende?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
- I could have loved San Miguel de Allende. I would have loved it, but I don't do unrequited.
San Miguel has a couple of big issues that I describe in this video, and that prevent it from loving me back.
I admit that the last time I strolled through the park and saw old men playing basketball, a dog walker with 5 extremely different dogs, and a dog trainer helping a lady with her rambunctious pup, I was charmed by the city.
Yes, it's beautiful and charming (in a too perfect way), but there's a tension in the air.
It's good for a visit. I just don't want to live there.
"As I found out when I chose another beautiful town that was popular with expats, there's a big difference between visiting a place and living there. When you live there you come to realize that expenses rise based on nothing more than the ability to pay for it ... which means in places that cater to the wealthy those prices quickly exceed anyone except the wealthy's ability to pay. That includes local families who are quickly priced out of parts of town their families lived in for generations ... whose ancestral lands quickly get gobbled up by foreigners with far more money than they have.
Foreigners take over the economy and do whatever they want in the town without ever bothering to consider what the locals want ... or much caring how their economic impact harms those who welcomed them into their community. In some cases there's not even a willingness by expats moving into those areas to obey Mexican laws. As an example, privatized beaches are illegal in Mexico, but many expats buy waterfront property and routinely then hire security guards or put up fences and gates to keep local people off of "their" beach.
Gentrification is great for wealthy American expats ... but it's horrible for the locals, who lose control over their own towns. After experiencing it first-hand, I would never want to live in a gentrified town again. They don't represent Mexico, and I doubt there's much of Mexico left in most of them anymore. There's certainly little left there for the Mexican people except for low-wage jobs that don't track with the inevitable increases in the cost of living there.
"... people move to these places because they want "just like home, only cheaper". And as they turn it into "just like home", the prices go up accordingly. Familiar businesses move in to cater to gringo tastes and demands ... which puts local, family-owned businesses out of business because the gringos take their money to the Costco, or Trader Joes, or Subway, or whatever familiar business they demanded in those towns. Restaurants that choose to cater to gringos become more high-end, and charge accordingly ... which takes business away from the local restaurants. And when the gringos go "home" for the summer and fall months, the town cannot support the infrastructure that was built up around the gringo needs and wants ... and all those jobs that the gringos always point to as the price of progress go away ... usually from June to November, when the gringos begin arriving back in their little paradise. Most of the "expats" are totally unaware of how much their lifestyle impacts the local people ... nor do they particularly care. They're more interested in the monthly greens fees at their local golf course, or that there are enough pickleball courts to meet the demand. They don't give a thought to the locals until they want to hire one for some reason ... and way too often they then brag about how cheaply locals are willing to work for."
~Bob Bailey
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I live in San Miguel. It’s a beautiful city unlike any place I’ve ever lived. Yes, the rental costs have increased significantly, even Airbnbs were higher than expected when I first landed here. I’m not sure how you define rich, but gentrification happens in the States as much as anywhere else. Many minorities in the States and all over world knows the audacity and entitled attitudes of gentrification. I’m my opinion, it doesn’t matter you go, the attitudes will follow. My philosophy is Explore the world, Live life, Do no harm, take only what you need.
Thanks for your video. I visited SMA in March of this year (2024) for the month. One does notice the "Haves and the Have nots" syndrome here, but then just about everywhere in the US has been affected by insane COL increases, so I was expecting that. I was traveling solo, and was encouraged by many women doing the same and met so many delightful people. I found the locals lovely, helpful and inspiring. I, personally, am not drawn to the Centro Historico, but prefer the outlying areas that are more spacious and surrounded by nature. I love the art scene and the food is SO amazing, However, I would only do a nice (rooftop) restaurant once a week- but the small cafes and street vendors are excellent. Like most places, you can seek out those elements you need and for me, SMA is a charming, artistic, vibrant town that (hopefully) will provide me with a 'Soft Landing' for a year or so where I can improve my Spanish language skills. The Ex-pat community has been SO helpful, the B&B I stayed in was SO charming, and I was SO impressed by the kindness of the locals. I'm doing an on-line language course of a school that is located there (Warren Hardy) and love that it stresses how to be respectful of the culture and traditions. For me, San Miguel was a wonderful experience in so many ways- and I am also looking forward to exploring many more towns once I gain more confidence in my language skills. I love that Mexico has something for everyone.
Me too! I'm so glad you had a great experience!
Loved this. Thank you!
Thank you for the honest and candid video! This kind of information is immensely helpful for those of us contemplating a move to Mexica from the US.
It is the same everywhere when people with lots of money move from where they are to somewhere that is "charming." They then want to change the place and bring all the stuff they had where they were with them, and then the place loses its charm. And worst of all, as you said, the people who have lived there for a long time can no longer afford to do so. I would like to visit SMA one of these days, but I think if I wanted to live in Mexico I'd want to go somewhere where it's easier to connect with the native people of the area and absorb the culture and all that makes it special. Thanks Mora for your interesting and informative videos. I like that you are straight and share from your experience and gut feelings.
I REALLY appreciate this video and other videos that depict the harsh realities that other travel TH-camrs just don't talk about or bother to learn. We can't improve if we don't know. Thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate your comment.
So true!
Thank you, Mora, for your frank assessment of San Miguel de Allende. I was there in early Sept for only 2 days, but your video mirrors the vibes that I picked up. It must have been, like many other places, phenomenal back in the 1950's up to the 90's. But like everything else in the universe, things are constantly changing. I'm a native Spanish speaker and always felt comfortable in Mexico, but it is amazing in this day and age, how much Mexicans have still retained their friendliness, grace, and culture in difficult economic, social, and political circumstances. The same cannot be said for the US.
I agree and it's one of the reasons I'm here. Thanks for watching and your comment :)
This is so true. I recall during my visits to SMA from years ago that there were very few Spanish speakers. It's akin to the Twilight Zone, with foreigners trying to colonize it in an ugly way.
Thank you for posting this take. As I’ve gotten older and traveled more for leisure (as opposed to work), I can’t help but see this dynamic everywhere- international and domestic. I’m still trying to figure out the commonalities, but it’s usually like this: arts & culture making a place cool/desirable; other folks come thru and enjoy it, but once word gets out to those who only have money, they come en masse, usually with some form of entitlement. Prices skyrocket. Locals can’t afford to live there anymore. I see it in ski towns like Vail, tech towns like SF and historically on US islands (Hawaii, Virgin Islands, etc). Even my hometown in southern RI is starting to feel this from the tourism. I am looking for vacation spots and most likely a diff country to live out the rest of my years in, but I never want to be a non-contributing member. There must be a fair way for people to relocate. It’s up to them to be conscious of the impact.
This really resonates with me because what you describe did happen in my hometown: I am from Palo Alto, CA. The small bungalow where I grew up was purchased by my parents in 1970 for 66k and Zillow now claims it's "worth" 4.2 Million. I could never afford to buy in my hometown! Some of the local iconic eateries, like The Oasis, were priced out by rising rents ages ago. I am not comfortable with this extreme gentrification. Thank you for discussing it.
I hear you. It's a tough thing to watch, and I saw the same in Santa Rosa.
@@MoraMargaret I'm living in Santa Rosa now, moved here 5 years ago before the pandemic. Housing prices have gone up dramatically since the pandemic with people out of SF/inner bay having moved up here. It does happen everywhere.
I met a local in San Miguel who owned a property in the Unesco Central Historic Center. The property had been in his family for 60 years. He was all too happy to sell it to a rich Californian for so much money, that he moved to the outskirts of town, and built 3 homes for himself and other family members.
This really speaks to me and I appreciate your candor. I have been going to SMA for almost 10 years and I have observed the waves of changes over that time. SMA is becoming unaffordable in many ways and I could see that likelihood from the beginning. That's why Guanajuato looks so interesting.
I so agree with you about the problems of gentrification and that it is not just foreigners who are gentrifying neighborhoods. I see this happening in La Paz, BCS as well. When we moved here, we came because we wanted to leave the US and learn and grow and experience a different way of living. We love the Mexican people and culture. We love the music and art and food and…THE PEOPLE!! We give a big hug to Mexico and I plan to become a citizen and die as a Mexican. I love Mexico with all of my heart. But we don’t have a lot of friends go and Canadian friends because I always see the attitude they bring here. Many of them are so entitled and arrogant. I want to scream at them, “go back to where you came from” just like the younger Mexicans who are watching their cities change and become unaffordable because we are coming here and changing things. If you want to come, come and accept Mexico as she is. Don’t try to “make Mexico better” because there was nothing wrong with it before you came. Learn the language!! You don’t live in an English speaking country any more! Adopt the customs and traditions, ask questions, learn, shop in your colonia and make your Mexican neighbors your friends, and stop forming “expat” groups. You are not some elevated “expat”. If you live here, you are an immigrant. If you live here part time, you are tourists. Be respectful and stop taking advantage. Thank you Mora. I really love your channel. You say the truth.
Thank you 🙏
Brava! Well said.
Best comment of all !!! Exactly 💯 right about everything and I'm the same way about entitled Expats which ARE Immigrants and the word Expat was made up by Immigrants that don't like to be called Immigrants 🤔 but the word Expat seems to me as entitled foreigners with high expectations and better than others!!! We call ourselves legal Immigrants because that is what we are. Hola from Costa Rica.
@@sandrabedard7848 👏👏"Expat [is a word[ made up my immigrants [who] don't like to be called immigrants". Well said!
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I agree with all you have said here. I am still bummed that I wrote a long message to another video of yours earlier today and I ignored the battery dying message 😱 It was a long message! I hope by tomorrow I am over that happening!! 😢 Well, maybe the most important part of the message was I saw 3 or 4 of your videos and then subscribed! ❤
Thank you for posting this! It really breaks my heart that this is happening, but it's happening everywhere, unfortunately. Also, I'm glad you mentioned crime. Thank you again for being honest.
I was in San Miguel last year for Dia de los Muertos. I hadn't been there in 25 years and was shocked at how much it had changed. The locals looked sad, not as friendly, and the shops and restaurants were off the charts beautiful and expensive! It really hit me when I saw a Starbucks just off the Jardin...wow. That made me sad.
I brought some of my brothers ashes to spread through the town at his favorite churches and through his old neighborhood where I stayed. He was not able to make it back to his beloved San Miguel before he died, where he lived for roughly 5 years before having to return to the states. Of course it was a blast to be there during the festivities, but the town has been over run by wealthy gringos. I definitely would not live there. Thank you for your report, it was eye opening.
It is not just wealthy gringos, most of the tourist are rich Mexicans from other big Mexican cities and they have a lot of money. SMA used to have a lot of gringo tourist but Mexicans have taken the #1 spot. You don't see near as many Gringos in my estimation.
Tell me of a single place that hasn’t changed in 20 years. I moved here 10 years ago from NY.
Your perception that the people here look sad is frankly mind blowing! They are the kindest, most courteous and joyful people. If you don’t see that, it’s probably your expectation that you would find a place frozen in time.
@@carolapolakov3338 The first time I visited was 1989. Many towns have not changed like this. They gave us menus in English and prices in dollars . I read Spanish and English , but the other three of us did not read English . There are so many places in Mexico that are better. I guess you don't like Mexicans
I really appreciated your perspective. Most of the videos make SMA sound like paradise. I have been pushed out of San Francisco, CA, my hometown, and now being pushed out of Oakland, CA for the same reasond - gentrification. I am really drawn to SMA because I am a writer and artist. Thanks again.
So you can see from both angles. Yes, it's a beautiful town full of beautiful buildings (I get the feeling the artists have been pushed out by the gentrification), AND the locals are being forced out of their own neighborhoods. I'm sorry about California, I had the same kind of experience.
Check out Huatulco
Come and experience it for yourself. Almost all my foreign friends here are far from wealthy. Most rent reasonably priced apartments or homes near centro. Most seldom eat out at the hundreds of high end restaurants in town or shop at the high end stores and boutiques. Almost all are creative people who are involved in the visual arts, music, writing, dance…you name it. You can certainly live a very good life here on the cheap. Little mom and pop eateries abound in every neighborhood where you can fill up on tasty food for a few bucks. Little stores sell fresh fruits , veggies and sundries at low prices and there are large markets and a fantastic flea market that takes place twice a week. Best place to shop on a budget for sure. Ive never witnessed a crime here, nor do I hear of it any more than any of the many other places Ive lived. I feel as safe here as anywhere. If you suffer from wealth envy, then you could feel resentful i guess, but if not, you’ll love it here. Oh and theres so much happening in this town ALL the time and tons of it is FREE!
@MariDreamwalker in MY opinion gentrificaccion is in every corner of the world. Here in SMA, it is more palpable because of the extremes in wealth and the attitude. If you want to be near hundreds of writers and artists, SMA is the place. Every other person here is either a writer or an artist or both.
Mexico has many beautiful cities and towns. But if you don't plan on speaking Spanish and you want to be surrounded by other Canadians, Americans, or other expats, then a place like SMA is for you. I've heard and read that Ajijic and Huatalco, among others, also have a healthy population of expats where English is not 100% required.
Mexico has something for everyone.
Thx for your honest opinion, but skip shopping at La Comer and instead stop at the many tiendas and fruterías in San Antonio where prices are better and you also support the local economy would be an important difference in your perception.
You are so right! Besides getting better at speaking Spanish, that’s something I really need to improve on.
@@MoraMargaret quite a refreshing and lovely response. Thx!
With google translate you can string together a few words and most shop owners will be very happy to see you come in their store regardless. “Con permiso” if you aren’t aware, is a polite way to enter and will set the tone.
SMA is expensive but there are wonderful ppl and a rich culture thriving here.
@@MoraMargaretmaybe even offering service for injections and basic medical advice en la vecindad
I am curious where in Mexico you will consider to live fulltime. I have visited three destinations and have not found it. I do know it won't be coastal, too hot and humid. I am finding the same as you..I have researched a little about San Luis Potoli..just so uncertain, but i am enjoying my experiences
It DID happen in my hometown in Canada. I don’t have to imagine it. It’s the same everywhere right now.
I’m a permanente resident of SMA for the past 20yrs. I live outside of town on the road to Alcocer. I’ve witnessed many changes since my first visit in ‘78, especially in the last 15 yrs. The influx of many foreigners has had a significant impact on the locals but not to a degree that you suggest. Granted there is crime here as there is everywhere, but fell safer here than in the U SA. Restaurant prices are too high and that is why I eat at home.
It sounds like you’ve been here a long time. Thank you for your perspective!
Thank you. I was hoping for better news but grateful for your perspective and honest report. Where to next?
Thanks for your comment. We are headed to the state of Queretaro! I'm excited about it.
@@MoraMargaret I’m looking forward to your insights about that area. I know someone that grew up there and just came back from a visit. She goes regularly. And she and her mother still own a home there but live primarily in central Florida near me.
Thank you so much for your honest perspective. I’m currently in the process of leaving this country and Mexico was high on my list with San Miguel de Allande definitely a place I was considering because of all the videos that glamorize it. It’s good to hear the other side because everything has another side.
Yes, everything does. I hope you find the perfect place for you.
@@MoraMargaret thank you 😊
Great information. Awesome photography. I appreciate the message -- most of the guides say its awesome but still kind of portray it as an artists hangout. So, I'm not surprieed at your take. Too bad. Beautiful house. best regards
There is no perfect place. I moved to SMA last October and LOVE it. I feel very safe here and I have not witnessed any crime or scary problems. I like the fact that wealthy people come here to visit and to live. They support the town, create many charities and patronize local businesses with their pesos. Also, their homes are very pretty and well kept on the outside. This spot isn't for everyone, even though it appears to be very nicely diversified.. I hope you find your right place and enjoy your Mexico travels.
Thank you, I'm glad you like it there!
Yes but those wealthy people pushed the locals out because they made everything expensive for them. It was their home, their country...SMA is beautiful but it was already beautiful and clean before those wealthy people came.
@@Paxevo I disagree...there's so much more behind it but we can agree to disagree
@@karenga11 We can agree to disagree. I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. Econ 101 low supply, high demand drives prices. Unless you are a communist, prices are set by buyers and sellers as whole.
We've been here nearly 3 years. Half our friends are Mexican and our neighborhood is mixed. Yes there is gentrification, but I'd challenge you to identify another city that hasn't experienced that and is desirable to move to. We've moved over 15 times in Canada and the US and gentrification occurred in every place we lived. Less than 10% of the population is an expat living here. There is a lot of tourism and most of it is on the weekends for Mexican weddings. Crime against expats is low here and it is typically purse snatchings and break-ins. We lived in Northern Virginia and in the year before we moved here we knew two people who were murdered in separate incidents. We listened to guns going off in the neighboring property in target practice daily, saw people carrying guns in the grocery store and lived through frequent school lockdowns and police alerts on our phone with suspects on the run nearby. In contrast, there has never been a school shooting in Mexico, the airways are filled with kids laughing, playing, singing and band practice all over town and kids and parents flood the streets daily to and from school. Violence between cartels is prevalent as you said in the state in other towns but it is directed at each other. There aren't typically random shootings of strangers as in the US and if you aren't walking in dodgy neighborhoods at night or dealing drugs you are pretty safe here in San Miguel.
I appreciate your candid reflections. Thank you for sure!
You are so welcome!
I totally agree with your assessment....Thanks for your videos
I went to SMA first upon arriving in Mexico and could see the appeal but didn't really feel at home there. Your video helps me see more of the why.
Your videos are so helpful. I have my residency but I can’t decide on which city. Guanajuato and SMA are my faves so far but I will consider your thoughts on SMA.
Thank you and I understand. They are both beautiful.
sma is more foody place and american environment, guanajuato is more european with mexican mix and still virgin of americans so english is not well spoken there
Your videos are very informative and I enjoy your rational perspective. What’s going on in SMA is a tale that can be spoken about so many places. Santa Fe, NM comes to mind. I lived in Taos for 35 years and visited SF often.
It was not possible to live in northern NM and not notice the transformation by the wealth class that was taking place in SF.
It’s hard to blame them for wanting to live someplace that is beautiful and culturally rich.
SF is culturally rich and wealthy people have been attracted to it for the same reasons they are attracted to SMA…it’s beautiful, it’s historic, it’s full of artists and craftsmen and music and good food, etc.
The down side is as you say…they move in, drive up the value of the real estate market and drive out the local demographic. And they believe they are doing the local economy a favor by providing service jobs to the locals…who must commute from other towns bc they can no longer afford to live where they once called home.
I see the parallel between SMA and SF. Thankfully, there are so many other places in Mexico that have not yet been over run by wealthy gringos. I look forward to your future videos as you explore Mexico. Good luck on your adventure.
Thank you so much for making this video and saying what others won’t. It seems like unless you say SMA is “magical”, you’re ostracized. Thank you again.
I’ve gotten the same reaction by some people (see comments below). it is beautiful, but it also has issues. Thanks for your comment!
Very Interesting commentary. I am American, own my business and my wife is a physician. We've down well financially, but I don't know if we classify as rich? Maybe well off. We bought our home over 10 years ago as a present for our retired parents to escape to and rent it out other times. We have a wonderful group of people who have been caring for our home since purchasing and we just returned for the first time since the pandemic. I'm a bit curious as to your interpretation of rich? I will agree that as more foreigners move into SMA prices tend to go up, but I visited during Day of the dead festivities and while it was crowded I could not distinguish between native vs foreigners %? And when you speak of crime. Has it increased dramatically or has it always existed and you just weren't aware of it. The 1st thing I noticed/learned when first visiting SMA is don't get out of line! There is a large/heavily armed police presence and officers travel in groups. I watched 3 officers take down a native drunk. They don't mess around and regardless I'd say there are places you should go at night and ladies should never walk alone! And I'm referring to life in the states! Do you know the story of the Mexican Tycoon who's grand son was kidnapped? Or, more recently, the international hitman that was living amongst the citizens of SMA? My point is that crime exists is SMA and everywhere in the world, but as a foreigner you should be hypervigilent! I have a high priced home in DC and it always cracks me up to see people move into the city and walk around like they live in the country. NO! So again I'll ask is SMA crime rising or is SMA/Mexico new to you?
Wish there were more channels showing the reality behind some of the Mexico expat locations like you just did. It helps alot of people review their options more carefully and apply the same scrutiny to other choices. All the TH-camrs just showcase Mexico and one big Disney World of cheap fun.
It's not all fun and games! I know many people are not able to explore, and are trying to make decisions based on what they learn online. I'm just putting my own point of view out there and I think honesty is the best policy.
Great video! You have a very good observation. It is true, the locals cannot afford living in the center of the touristic cities.
I appreciate this information very much. Thank you.👍❤️
Thank you. Appreciate your open and honest take on the area.
Nice, informative video Mora. I appreciate your integrity. Safe travels 😊
Thank you! 😃
You telling it like it is, is why I subbed. Thanks.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
I lived in SMA for 6 mo. I totally agree with you. 20,000 entitled expats is never a good thing. I moved on to PV which is larger but many expats also.
When i was younger and lived in a small area of the US with almost no crime on a remote road that was made of that composite gravel, so not even fully paved, our house was into by contractors who were building a house nearby. I lived in Memphis, one of the most violent cities in the US, two doors down from crack houses, and no one broke in. There's always a risk and just because there's a risk it doesn't mean you'll experience it. Just live life and take normal precautions.
Lots of good information, I appreciate this video
Your dogs are so beautiful, you can tell they really adore you. That's an amazing home, I agree with you.
Thank you :)
I loved your video. We need to hear all of this. I don't think I would like to live there either
Hmmm, living in mexico I have to ask myself why i am watching but you do indeed make good videos.
Thank you. I had a feeling it was probably like that. Think ill look for a smaller less rich place to hand my hat. I want to be around happy local people, im sure it’s not found there.
Thank you for your honest and authentic assessment which is very important for myself and other women who are looking. Please reply so we can stay in contact. Thanks.
If you keep focusing on famous places that are easy for English speakers, whether it is Lake Chapala, San Miguel de Allende, you are going to confront the problem of high (and getting higher) prices, unfortunately. I agree that the gentrification is a huge problem. One thing I do is religiously avoid supermarkets, especially those that have a "foreign" products section. I am super surprised that you continue to eschew the produce markets, where you can really save some money. It also is a great way to start practicing your Spanish, as you can learn the names of common foods, herbs, and practice with numbers. Honestly as a person who likes to cook as well, I am flummoxed that you keep going to supermarkets and bemoaning the costs there.
The Guadalajara area as a whole gets hot and dusty from April to July or so. I think an area that you and your furry companions would like is Tonalá. A famous potter is there and his studio is marvelous, the town is quaint and affordable still.
One last thing... speaking Spanish as much as you can, however painful, will separate you from the aging hipsters, trustafarians, digital nomads, Trumpsters, FIRE folks, and well funded pensioners from the US. I spend a lot of time n Oaxaca and I NEVER see other foreigners because I live in a working class neighborhood where there aren´t brightly colored murals and places that sell hummus and paninis every other block. You are now informed.
I stand informed. Thank you for much of that, although if you're going to judge a person YOU should be informed. Clearly you haven't seen my website where I explain my hesitance to shop in markets, and my more recent success with that. Or my videos on recent travels way off the tourist trail. I find that when people use self-expressions like "super surprised" and "flummoxed" that it's a sneaky way to virtue signal and criticize another in an indirect way. I wouldn't expect you to know everything about me, but if you're going to be the judge shouldn't you be informed?
Would love it if you would make a video so I could see what's wrong with you ;)
Thanks for the tips on Tonala and speaking Spanish. I do like a challenging comment on occasion.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, and I just stumbled across the single video, hadn't gone through your others. I do not not see my comment as being overly judgemental, harsh or vulgar. All of us will have our opinions, no? I will give some thought to my tone in the future. Bravo for getting off the tourist trail, and I will leave it at that.
Thank you. If you care: there is a post below in the comments which essentially said the same thing about the shopping. My reaction to him was completely different because he was direct and without judgement. I appreciate your comment really, just a little touchy about my shyness in the market.
@@MoraMargaret I do care, I don't want to cause offense and I will check out that comment, thanks! Good luck in overcoming your shyness.
@@MaryGwenDungan I doubt my presence in a local neighborhood will make a difference. as no one would mistake me for a gringo and I conduct my affairs in Spanish. I fit in, to put it in simple terms. It is truly a modest neighborhood, with unpaved roads in some places and a somewhat rough around the edges reputation.
If @MoraMargaret took issue with my post, fine, but who are you? Some Jenny-come-lately doofus trying to pile on can take a long walk on a short pier. Also: you may not have noticed, but EVERYONE is passing judgements, especially in videos like these! Just be fair in your assessment.
Well done. Appreciate your honesty!
Nice! How do you find these rentals?
Great truth sharing.
I was pushed out of my hometown Victoria and then vancouver... Many neighborhoods don't even have English signage. My neighbors were mostly Chinese and only lived there occasionally.
Crazy
crazy.
I have been here 11 years. I NEVER heard the term 'gringo gulch' other than in a different video 6 months ago. So, to be clear, I have never heard that here. Everywhere I go here I see and feel others like me navigaying this amazing place in middle income. I read a stat that says that a person is more likely to be a part of a violent crimes in the US than here. Yes, Celaya (seh/LI/yah) is close, as are a few kther more dangerous Guanajyato, and yes we stay away. If she is moving to Lake Chapala, which I have heard reference to as 'boring' I hope that works for her. By the way, the evening, the Centro area they she reference to as Gringo😅 Gulch (?) is almost ALL local and other middle class Mexicans. Same on the buses where I am almost always the only ex-pat. I can't afford rent (and other things) in the US, yet am working my own things out here in amazing SMA.
Have you been to Comala in Colima State? just about 2-1/2 hours south of Guadalajara? we were there a few years ago and love that town i wonder how it is now...
I passed through Colima but didn't stop. I would have like to see Comala, but I'll have to make another trip :)
I appreciate your comments. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking for a more low-key place, so while I might enjoy a short visit to SMA I don't think it would feel like home.
Same with me :)
I really appreciate your assessment. Thank you.
I was ignorantly on the cutting edge of gentrification in Brooklyn back in the 80s and *after* I'd bought a newly renovated co-op, learned of the horrible tactics the developer used to get the original occupants out of the building. It still makes my stomach turn. Your very informative video has saved us from possibly repeating that. Muchisimas gracias. (and we're in OR right now too! we've witnessed the gentrification in PDX for decades...I remember hearing a co-worker who moved from CA brag back in the aughts about how much house she got for what I consider a mansion-level of money - "it's so much cheaper here than CA!" Welp, PDX is now catching up...)
It's sad that this pattern repeats itself. Thanks for your comment!
Nice to see an honest review compared to so many others who fluff it up and sugar coat it!
Glad it was helpful!
It's always important to get lots of perspectives like yours in this video. Stay safe.
Always!
Have you checked Morelia!? 🎉
I agree with your assessment. For myself, I left my hometown of Bend, Oregon in 2016. I had to work through my resentments due to wealthy people moving in and making housing unaffordable for the locals. We also had to get permits to go hiking in our homelands!! It's so strange... and it's happening everywhere. We then move for affordability and oftentimes contribute to gentrification elsewhere. Great content and I thank you for your honesty.
Thanks for your comment. I've had the same experience. Moving from California to Oregon I got a taste of that resentment, and like you said, it's happening everywhere.
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I left Austin Texas after 40 years because of the Gentrification from California and more... Mexico is a great change however I understand the Mexicanos' frustration...🍀
@@MoraMargaret Sorry you encountered resentment. 😥 I only discussed my issues with my friends. I understand needing or wanting to move to another area. ¡¡Cuídate!!
When you find the perfect spot, let us know via one of your videos. It might be in the Marquesas islands. That’s what Thor Heyerdahl thought anyway.
Hi, I’ve enjoyed your videos! Do ypu happen to know anything about the Georgetown Compound? It’s an artist’s group in San Miguel de Allende. I’ve rented a loft from them from Jan 2025-Match 2025. Just wondering if you’ve heard anything about it.
I've seen the rentals on craigslist, and they looked good to me, but I ended up staying somewhere else so I don't know. I hope you like it there!
Thank you for making this video. Everything you say is true.
I’m poor and live in Manhattan. I’m not resentful that I don’t have as much as those who are better off than me. But it is painful to have basic needs not met from time to time and it always pains me to see people dying on the streets in my neighborhood.
I loved living in San Miguel many years ago and I think I would love living there now.
This morning, I woke up and thought that my ideal place to live would be Sweden.
Overview of Sweden
The Kingdom of Sweden, flanked by Norway to the west and the Baltic Sea to the east, expands across much of the Scandinavian Peninsula and is one of the largest countries in the European Union by land mass. Capital city Stockholm was founded in the 13th century, and border disputes through the Middle Ages established the modern-day nation.
Despite its militaristic roots, Sweden has remained neutral in times of war for centuries. Instead, commitment to human rights, public service and sustainability have helped to make it a respected leader in international affairs.
Sweden operates under a model similar to those of other Nordic nations: heavily capitalistic with a large percent of spending going toward public service. Once well above the global average, tax rates have decreased, and an advanced infrastructure and transportation network assist with equal wealth distribution. Health care, as well as a college education, are free, and its people boast one of the longest life expectancies in the world. Almost all of Sweden's trash is recycled.
Swedes are some of the world’s most generous people, donating about 1 percent of gross national product to humanitarian aid programs each year. The society has continued to diversify, due in part to refugees who have been welcomed into Swedish borders.
As a parliamentary democracy, representatives elected to parliament, called the Riksdag, lead the nation with a monarch as a ceremonious head of state. Sweden joined the European Union in 1995, but declined to convert to the eurozone currency after a public vote in 2003.
However, Sweden's export-dependent economy is tightly integrated with the European Union. Both took a tumble with the recent decline of the euro, but Sweden is seeing steady recovery and seeking to expand trade markets for its timber, hydropower and iron ore.
Sweden is an Enhanced Opportunities Partner of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It is also a member of the United Nations, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and the World Trade Organization, among others.
I’ve never been to Sweden but I’m sure it’s beautiful. Have you seen videos by the woman Jonna Jinton in Sweden? Love them!
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Thank you
Hi Mora! Isn’t your own rental in a high end home adding to the gentrification problem?
No. High end homes don't add to the problem. Do you think that if there were no fancy houses gentrification wouldn't be a problem?
@ not what I meant at all……to clarify, as a foreigner taking USD to the local markets there, you have a certain purchase power not available to the locals. In essence, you’re driving up prices of everything, even the lovely home you were at. I’m for what you’re doing, but you seem to criticize others doing the same thing. In a manner of speaking, you’re part of the problem you’re against, just at a different level.
Most of what she says is true, but SMA is still a very beautiful city and fun to visit. It can get crowded and if you are bothered by the gentrification, you may enjoy nearby Queretaro. It's a big, working Mexican city but also has a large colonial center, great bars, restaurants, museums, sports, concerts, nice people and feels really safe and clean.
Much appreciated … thank you for your honesty . We currently live in Puerto Vallarta . Find some of the same issues ( not so much the crime tho ) We have never considered San Miguel because of some of the things that you mentioned mainly the ugly American piece as well as the gentrification. We are moving to Mexico City in a couple of months and I’m looking forward to that amazing diverse huge yes, but wonderful city has the offer. Thanks again.
We lived in San Miguel de Allende for just over one year and loved it there. I saw alot of very wealthy Mexicans dining in the restaurants also. It's sad to see people all over Mexico that sell candy or toys on the streets but I greatly admire the Mexican spirit of having a go! And I suppose that these people have had their town taken over by Expats which has driven up the prices of houses, however, we had many Mexican neighbours who would have been sitting on prime real estate that they had lived in for years; if they ever decide to sell it, they would become very rich. Aside from the cost of buying realestate, we did not find San Miguel de Allende overly expensive and it is possible to find cute 1 or 2 bedrooms fully furnished to rent for a good price. We rented a lovely 2 bedroom duplex for only $500 USD a month all utilities included and I know of someone who rents a nice one bedroom right in town for $700. The restaurants and cafes were average priced with a few very upmarket ones. The expats support the locals there. I do get tired of some of the loud mouth expats who are stupid and arrogant. But it's certainly not all of them. The only reason we left was that they installed some 5G towers all over our area that affected us in a very bad way and we had heard that this was going up all over the town. But, if you can avoid living in a high 5G area there (I suggest buying a metre reader and measuring it) then I think that it is a great place to live. When we lived there about a year and a half ago, crime was never a problem. Your crime statistics were very interesting, particularly about all the policemen shot in Mexico. Do you have a reference for that - I'd like to read about it!
I believe I included the reference for that in the video. Thanks for your comment. It's a beautiful place, just not for me.
I just found you. Your view is refreshing and realistic. Your music and pictures are pleasant and beautiful. I would like to know where you will settle. I am also searching from a far, Denver. Wish you the best!
Thank you so much! It's been a fun adventure in Mexico, and we still have lots to see.
Very good an easy way to describe San Miguel.
I’ve lived here in Mexico so long that I don’t know if the dollar prices for the items you bought at La Comer seem high or low to an American. As somebody on a fixed income, they seem quite high to me.
That’s the problem with shopping at a supermarket in SMA: too expensive.
Thank for addressing a question I tried asking elsewhere. It seems like the places I've researched fit one extreme or another, but nothing for those of us in the middle.
I’ve lived here for ten years so I know the city well, I”m bilingual and I also know Mr Toone. What he’s omitting is that though Centro has become very expensive, there is no lack of affordable housing in other neighborhoods not in Centro but still within the city. Most of the old residents in Centro owned their homes that were very expensive to maintain and were fine with selling them at very profitable prices, and with the revenue they were able to buy several homes and start businesses. The influx of foreign Immigrants have created a lot of good paying jobs. My housekeeper has been able to send her two children to University, not without sacrifices but also without debts. Can a housekeeper in the US do that anymore? Maybe you could base your opinions on more than one person?
It was really nice back in the early 70's. I used to stay there whenever I took buses exploring Mexico. Mexico was way more safe back in those days. SMA was way more funky and laid back in those days with lots of expat writers and artists from the USA and Europe. .
That's what I've heard from others. Now it seems a playground for the rich.
@@MoraMargaret Mexico was almost comically more affordable back in the early 70's. I mean it was just amazing. I was a farm kid from Boulder County in Colorado and I stayed in Mexico for eight months on just $2000.00. I took buses and trains from north to south and east to west. I even flew from Mexico City to Acapulco for dirt cheap. Folks were just so friendly and generous wherever I went it was unforgetable how wonderful it was back in the day. It was a magical place for sure.
Sounds wonderful! I wish I had seen it then. Still love Mexico, the land, the culture, the people. Sounds like you've had a great life of travel.
I don't think you are over reacting. Totally agree, San Miguel has become unaffordable for most mexicans and it's sad. We are struggling with the same issue in Mexico City since the pandemic. Gentrification is out of control. Neighborhoods such as Condesa, Roma and Escandón, have raised their housing prices for foreigners so much, that locals have been displaced. I'm not against Americans moving to Mexico, yet I do think our government has to set rules to fight and avoid gentrification. It is just not fair. Love your blogs BTW.
thank you for your honesty and truthful expression. Both sides of the coin needs to be examined!
When you discuss the financial impact that immigrants cause, such as pushing up real estate prices, amongst other things, you fail to consider the employment opportunities that those immigrants provide. Many a local lives a better life because of the salaries (not always as generous as they could be) provided for construction, renovation, housekeeping, gardening, and landscaping.
I just googled they said there is no jet airport but there is service from a line from Queretero. So maybe the plan fell thru.
I know that Queretero is not next door so you would still need to take a bus or rent a car to get to San Miguel.
Rented a guest house for five nights and was ready to leave after two. The historical centre felt like an open air seniors complex for wealthy gringos. Just shopping, eating and crafts classes. Didn’t feel like a real city.
Thank you very much for this video. I am in Mexico and i see how many things have changed since i first visited the country, some twenty years ago.
I see how many people are poorer, and others came richer.
With such social differences, violence is almost a must.
Social unjustice, many more police officers are in every corner.
I am in Mexico city, but Valladolud, Merida and Cancun are the same.
I might come to Mexico for two years if i find a nice place where to stay.
FYI: The minimum wage and pensions have greatly increased thanks to the previous and present President which has contribute to less poverty not more. Claudia Sheinbaum is the exact antithesis to the orange psycho and has the support of the great majority of her people.She is super smart, compassionate, highly educated with degrees in biology and environmental engineering, and humble. She always gives credit to the people not herself when praised. It’s pretty rich that US citizens give their negatively biased perceptions out of ignorance.
Right on point! Many Mexicans left for better opportunities in the 🇺🇸 years ago. Now we’re ready to come back and find ourselves unable to afford the astronomical housing prices. I am now thinking of moving to Spain which is a beautiful country and way more affordable than Mexico.
Great video, thanks for the insight, good luck in your endeavors 👍
You too! I love Spain, and if I didn't have the two canines I might go over there. Thanks for your comment.
I am a Dutch citizen living in Mexico for many years and I can easily move back to Europe. But I have my 3 french bulldogs and it makes it very hard to move to Spain which I love. But housing is only affordable inland close to the coast it is very expensive. 15% closing cost on a house purchase. Not easy for a non EU citizen to move to Spain. Many Spanish people are complaining on all the "foreigners" buying into their country making housing unaffordable. Even the Canarian Islands want to ban foreigners (even other EU citizens) go figure. It is starting already in Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia.....
@@cmkenterprise yeah, I’ve heard about all the backlash against foreigners. Rent is still reasonable, though, when compared to California prices (>3000/month). I am having 2nd thoughts because of that. I wanted to live there just a few years. My ultimate and final retiring place is still Mexico because it’s the country I was born in and I love Mexican culture, naturally. Good luck to you and I hope you’re enjoying life in 🇲🇽
Where r u from? I have to bring 3 tiny doggies w me and I'm having a hell of a time .. best I cam find is alaska air into guadalajara then hire a shuttle to get to Guanajuanto? ... their the only airline that I can get 2 carriers in cabin and all 3 dogs in cabin!
I drove from Oregon. Flying with more than one pet, especially larger ones, can be a problem. I hope you can find a solution!
You are right what you say about san Miguel it has become very expensive
Well said, Mora! This phenomena is very real and rich people with their smug attitudes just frost me.
I visited SMA in 1998, shoulda bought! But didn’t love it. I think Merida would be the best place for me now.
Hello, what are your views on Merida? Thanks!
@@stevegunn9971 Much of the year it is really really really caliente.
Thank you for your videos. I appreciate what you do. Although I am well off, I really don’t want to live under those conditions where I find myself being the bad guy. I’m moving from Querétaro soon because I’m not wanted here. The people are pushing me out just because I m well off.
We sat on our patio near St Helena Ca and discussed gentrification in Quetero just like what has happened in NapaValley. Too many hyper wealthy drawn to the area. I'm surrounded by empty second homes while locals live is sheds and shacks.
I’m sorry to hear that. You have a perspective I have not really heard before. If you want to talk about it please write me an email: Mora@MoraMargaret.com
I spent a few decades in Sonoma County, and I know what you mean. Something has to change. Thanks for adding your POV.
Appreciate the honesty.
Come to Houston. I live a neighborhood houses cost $400 thousand to 650 thousand. Got car jacked at gun point. People get shot driving home for making a mistake. Good luck finding a crime free place in USA or Mexico.
Uuuggg. Sounds awful. I'd get out of there if I were you. Despite high crime in the cities, the FBI says violent crime in the U.S. is way down, overall.
I feel like our city is getting worse every year😢
@@MoraMargaretThey’re lying
@@malvolio01I'm sure you have data to back that up, right?
@@jacqdanieles Yes
Si!!! Agree with you. Have been arount those places you list. This is business as usual all over Mexico and many places around. I would like to call it PlanetTrification and started centuries ago with Conquerors landing in other lands with different status quo. Gentrification is an ancient activity!! And it is alive and well all over this planet. Gracias for your input! Saludos!
Gracias for YOUR input! You're very wise to see the historical repeat.
@@MoraMargaret Muy amable tu comentario. The "grass is always greener over there" is an ancient concept that triggers all this motions. "The course of the traveler". Enjoy your stay in México..and the Planet as well"" Life is good!
What you describe is happening in the area where I live now, in USA. I understand what you are saying, I am not rich.
I am considering relocating to San Miguel for retirement in ten years because of its culture, arts, and community. I am Latina, fluent in the language, and have several Mexican friends and clients. Having seen this, I am now contemplating. What is the cause of these occurrences? It is somewhat disheartening. 😪
As I’ve said to others in the past, “A raggedy truth beats a dressed-up lie any day,” in my thinking. I always prefer it, and with true information, I can decide how I want to mitigate risk. I know of a group of women who live there and they encourage others to visit, so I might go, but under the circumstances, I’d likely prefer more down-to-earth amenities and the people they’d attract. Thanks!
Thought provoking, thanks for your perspective. Goethe, or perhaps it was Schiller, had the saying, "Whoever would have freedom, must earn it each day new." That's truly what's needed in our times too !
I like that!
I was to my way to SMA and the storm came 😢...September is the month to visit Guanajuato
I've been to san migal & I agree with your video. Most people think or act as if the things u said aren't there. They are..nothing wrong with another opinion
Mora I couldn’t agree more - If I remember correctly there was a song in the 70’s I believe from the Eagles that included a line “once you call a place paradise it’s over”.
Yeah, it's too bad. Especially for the locals. Thanks for your comment!
I visited SMA with my Mexican boyfriend last winter and everything you say rings true. He was weirded out asking for directions at a real estate agency (we had just arrived and didn’t realize was for wealthy foreigners) where nobody spoke Spanish. We thought it was gorgeous and pretty much for people with quite a budget! We had the most delicious food at a local market sitting on stools w local people but my feelings were also that it wasn’t quite right….
You put it into words well. I agree, beautiful but not for me.
I hope it’s not too forward to ask, but did your discomfort with SMA have any relation to the “tension” you felt in the U.S.? You mentioned this in your previous videos and that being in Mexico relieved it because the people were so accepting and nonjudgmental. I ask because when I watch videos of Mexico, I’m always impressed by how humble and unassuming the Mexican people are. There is no one-upmanship, no weird competition to keep up with the Jones. And although I am judging them, it’s not to feel superior. It’s the joy of seeing authentic people with their priorities straight. I see a real difference between their values and those we are conditioned to have in America. I hope those American immigrants are wise enough to appreciate those things more than the discount price of everything. The Mexican people are Mexico’s truest blessing to her visitors. The American immigrants will regret losing them as neighbors if they price them out of their own country. Take care of yourself.
@@kld70 Thanks for you comment. Maybe my discomfort with SMA had to do with my own tension, but I think my observations about locals being priced out and crime stats off the wall a short distance away, are real and would be there with or without my tension. Maybe I'm too sensitive to it, but I'm looking for a long term home so I want to really get the vibe, from my own point of view. You wrote another comment I found really valuable and I'm looking for it! YT doesn't make it easy to find older comments.
As I naive young man in the ‘60’s, I chased Hemingway, Michener and others to the south of Spain looking for a romanticized (and fictional, as it turned out) life. By the time I got there in ‘68, Malaga, Torremolinos, and the entire Costa del Sol was out-of-reach expensive (gentrified is the new term); crime-ridden and awash in a primarily non-Spanish speaking population. Fortunately, I learned this lesson young.
Oh what kind of dogs do u have? Shepherd and is the other part bernese?
Yes, German Shepherd and the younger one is a Bernese Mountain Dog. They are my two funny little angels!
i would love some idea of what you mean by rich, middle income, low income for that area. i am just guessing. that would help me understand. thank you!
You have to have a reliable income to live in Mexico like SS check or a big lump sum of money to live off of. You don't have to be rich to live in SMA, you can be rich, middle income, or poorer but you better have a consistent stream of money because there are no local jobs to supplement.
I think most Americans living in SMA are well educated and have good financial resources. However you don't have to be rich. You can make it work but you can't be a broke bum. Mexico is cheaper than the USA but it is not dirt cheap.
Interesting coincidences of life paths. I was born and lived in Oregon my entire life prior to leaving to teach in SMA 16 years ago...and have been there since, while also going back to Oregon regularly. In the beginning, one could drive in Centro; not anywmore. Alot has shifted there, however, the real crime is not on the streets. It is hidden beneath the surface in the lack of justice within the departments, and the fact that there is little justice for a gringa(o) within the legal system. What is the point of discussing crime when the legal system itself is corrupt? With the construction of an airport north of town, new construction going in without safe road access, it is rapidly expanding to accommodate all who arrive. There were still campesinos with burros in Centro when I arrived, now no more. The one thing though that SMA has which is essential to me is the access to quantities of organic locally grown fruits and vegetables and foods which are non-gluten, non-dairy and at a price which , which increasing, is still more affordable than the US. Plus, there is nowhere in the US that I know which has the infrastructure to access local produce and food the same as SMA. That is the current status of SMA and a good reason to be there. The scales are tipping. But, just like a gordita, which is really made to stuff with deliciious contents inside, not as a flat tortilla, the essential thing is to look on the inside, of both gorditas as well as the justice of a community. Buen Suerte
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. There are serious pros and cons, and these are to be considered, especially when thinking about a permanent relocation, or buying a property. It sounds as though you've had some experience with the justice system here? I hope you still love where you live!
Ideas raised in calif my brother moved to Oregon in the 70s I moved to Iowa in 1977
This is happening in many places. Portugal is having the same problem once they offered a Golden Visa. Homes valued at 189,000 shot up to 500,000 because rich Americans would pay sight unseen in order to have that Golden Visa. Once they became a resident they also had to ability to live in any EU country. Now the locals are rebelling as they are priced out of not only homeownership but rentals that rose from 450.00 - 1500 and higher. When I lived in CDMX I considered San Miguel but after reading the local forums I decided to pass. Nice to visit but it's becoming undesirable for long term living, for me anyway.
Thanks for your point of view. I agree it's happening in so many places. My son may never be able to buy a house in California for some of the same reasons.
Always appreciate your candor. 👍
Always! And I appreciate you watching and commenting :)
Keeping it real. I love it. If it is only positive info about a city, I call it propaganda. See Austin, Texas.
Agreed. Surprising how many people get hostile when you just mention concerns. Thanks for your comment!
Because of this I've decided to relocate to guanajuanto ❤🎉 from canada
I thought Potzcuaro was lovely, but it was, in the 90s and it was a resort area for Mexicans. They did not speak English and my Spanish was limited. I like to have some expatriots around to hang out with.
I strongly appreciate your view on the difficulties and problems, the "negatives" of San Miguel de Allende and other communities in MX, as I would rather understand the negatives over the positives of visiting and living in such areas. Thank you!