Good video! I especially liked your comment about the inadequacies of today's club fitting being restricted to the 7-iron. Even Ping that prides itself on fitting everyone are limited to the 7-iron. I agree that something should be done.
Hahahaha hahaha!!!! Loved the PSA after the statement that there was no other iron like a Mizuno iron!!!! All of us players gaming Japanese iron were about break our phones!! Then the ticker said “calm down” absolutely perfect Simon!!!!
Lol. This was so me... indignant huff for a second about my beautiful Miura blades 😂 However, I would still consider the HMB as a replacement for my blades long irons which can be troublesome!
Fergus Reeve, Realtor have you looked at the CB-301’s? I game the split set and in my long irons, it helps! And by all means these irons (Mizunos) are pretty fuckin gorgeous!!
Excellent video and I love the honesty about how it can be difficult to fit a full set based only on one iron. The amount of variability from player to player from iron to iron can be huge. Just because you’re 2 degrees upright in your 6 iron doesn’t mean that holds true for the entire set. You are doing your part so that is appreciated 🙏
Had same issue at fitting but luckily my fitter games the MMC and he brought them by for me to try. Ended up with blended MB upto 7i and 6-4 in MMC. HMB gave little feedback so wasn't a big fan but that said prefer them over 790's. Shame MMC was not built with same look as the MB and HMB, would look nice in the bag, but at address and in play they are very similar. Thanks for the excellent video.
I have ordered a full mix and I sure hope it works out. 3-5 HMB, 6-8 MMC, 9-W MP20. I have been playing MP64's but I think I can use the help offered by the HMB and MMC. It will be interesting to see the gaps in my choices.
I play the MMC (mp20) and that's wild that they spin the same as the blades while having less loft. Maybe that's why I find them so damn accurate and controllable.. Thanks!!
It is funny that your first comment was about the finish. That is the reason why I play jpx 900 tours is because of the minimal difference between the face and toe finish.
Interesting stuff. We'd argue that in the MP Fli-Hi, MP-H4 and MP-H5 Mizuno was ahead of the industry curve with better players hollow irons.......probably a bit too far ahead for any of those to really stick at the time.
mizunogolfeurope completely agree with you in numbers and data, the only difference is the p790 nailed the aesthetics and the consumer responded. Believe the aesthetics of your range this year will make a big difference in the top end of the bag and the lower end has always looked sharp 👌 Thanks for watching, love the discussion.
Mizunogolfeurope layer my first round with my ST200 driver & 3 wood, unbelievably good. More yards over the TS2, better feel. Now then. Do I change my JPX 919 HM for the HMB? Any gain to be had. Got DG reg, was considering HMB with c taper lite??
Custom fitted for MP20 HMB c taper lite reg. What followed: net 66, cut 1.2. 40 points, another 1.2 cut. An exceptional scoring cut 1.2, then 38 points only cut 0.3 due to a high css. Enough evidence? Btw, very tough links course south of England.
I wonder if you get more if you upgrade from a fitting centre to a performance centre? Last time I got fit for MP18 they had a full set of heads to try. Let's face it, if you feel you want HMB from 6 iron up you don't need to hit every single head to know you have made the correct decision. Equally if I want MB from 7 iron down I don't need to hit every single iron to know I have made the right choice.
Had this issue today at a fitting for Titleist irons. Only had 7 irons to test (t100, was very nice). Walked away. If I’m going to guess what’s the point in a fitting? How do you calculate the numbers for spin, launch etc from a 7 to a 4 iron?
Good honest video, thank you! I have a Mizuno fitting this Friday with an ex Muzuno tour player! Want to specifically try the HMB, but coming from 2015 Callaway BB irons, so do you think I'll notice many/any differences lol?? My hc is 15 btw.. Cheers Andrew
I've had 2 sets of blades and basically wasn't good enough to pilot them. Now a set of blade lookalikes that handle like cavity backs - that would work wonders for my golfing credibility. I'll have to give them a try.
Can you explain why they chose to gaps these the way they have? If they want 2 degrees stronger why not carry that through the PW? Then you could build a wedge set starting as say 48 and maintain a 4 degree gap throughout the set. I cannot understand why they chose to widen the gap to 5 degrees when getting into the scoring clubs where distance control is a premium.
Could you do a video for dummies/novices? Different manufacturers and their ranges? I really like the look of most of the clubs I've seen but haven't got the balls to ask about the differences between them?! It would probably be a long video... cheers. I think.
I am off 15 and play my MP60s from PW up to 5i and I hit it well up to the 5i. I also have the 4i in my bag, but use it not often and only from the tee. So if I would replace my MP60s I would like to get the MP20s from PW to 5i. No need for longer irons, because I use a 19° hybrid and that works well for longer shots. Do you think, the MP20s in the blade version are harder to hit than the MP60s? I do not like to have a blent set. Maybe it's old school, and have to take a closer look at the MMX, but I do not like chunky looking irons even though, I would probably score better with them.
ThereIsProbablyNoGod to be honest go and try them mate as most places will let you hit it for free. hard for me to say with out seeing your numbers. The Mizuno blades over the years have progressively got more forgiving. But at the end of the day you are still hitting a blade and will get punished if not flushed!
Theory: soft is slow when it comes to clubs too....BUT if you want a blade to provide something other than a sting it HAS to be a soft metal....Mizzies and Srixys for me
This video is very bad for my pocked , Question where can you go to get the best fitting for these , as you rightly say, you need to hit the wedges & 4/5 irons as well to see which best suits your game, thats the point of the blend thanks More honma reviews ;-)
Dear SAS ; you dont show the clubs offline resoult... Lofts is different.. and cary distance resoult + lounch angel+ backspins and all result is defffirent is correct.. But this comparison inside most important is club offline resoult because .... The rest depends on everything loft and loft is different in each models... Please add a picture to ball offline resoult.. Accurity is everythink...
@@SASGolf What is it? I'm putting a sim in at the local country club in the Philippines and the proper mats from the States are around a grand a shot once shipped, looking for cheaper alternatives.
Why don’t brands send out pw and 4/5 irons when fitting clubs I just don’t get it, for better players they would like to see the pw to see whether they want to use a 46/48 degree specialised or the standard pw from the set, then there’s the 4 iron to see whether the hmb is too chunky, or the mmc is too small and whether a hybrid is necessary, the gapping at the bottom end of the bag is crucial because if you have a pw that’s 44 degrees and a gap wedge that is 52 there’s going to be a 20-25 yard gap, hitting a half wedge to a front pin tucked behind a bunker is going to be even harder to get close to. Example 43 degree pw in ap3 and then a vokey 52 degree some people don’t realise this, they just see they’re getting 10 yards extra with a six iron
Blockage is that the fitting cart would be too expensive and large for any retailer or manufacturer, The shafts in the fitting cart are specific to the 7 iron. For every different loft head, you'd need another complete set of shafts. One of the reasons the fitting carts have worked so well for the Golf Pro - reduces the amount of stock they need to carry, There is an answer - we just haven't got there just yet.
Those spin rates look a bit low, you are a higher swing speed player and so should get higher spin rates than us average golfers. After saying that, I really like the look of the MMC
9:16 How is that a "massive downside of these irons"? Just having the 7 irons in a fitting cart doesn't tarnish the quality of the irons at all. It's the same with all mfgs. The only company I know that distributed more than just the 7 iron is PING who provided a 4, 7, w in the Blueprint.
Station 2Station yeah, I should of clarified more. As Mizuno are obviously specialising in a combo set, it would be good to have heads to Club Fit with the lower end. Obviously I understand that no other company does this either, due to massive costs. Should of worded it better. Thanks.
@@SASGolf Your videos are typically very useful to me. I'd love to see you do a followup vid outdoors where you discuss your thoughts on the feel vs the MP18. I thought the MP18 was firm due to the HD. Id like to hear your thoughts on if you think the copper is marketing guff or does it enhance the feel. I think they feel good, but closer to the MP18, rather than to the MP69 (old MP gooey softness). THANKS!
Mmc is Mizuno's name for their more "player's cavity club". It stands for multi material concept which refers to the titanium weight in the back of the iron and the tungsten weight in the toe. Don't think he said "mpc" but MP is simply a series of Mizuno irons which stands for "Mizuno Pro"
RiverRuns NC 12 because my wedge game is shocking. Full shots I’m fine with. Play Nike vr pro blades now and hit them great. As well as any cavity back iron I’ve had. I don’t buy in to this forgiveness marketing or not good enough to play blades.
@@muffin0079 Yeah.. I know a guy shoots mid 90s and plays Titleist MBs. I play JPX 900 Forged and love them. Thinking of combo with MP20 MB or MMC... or may combo with JPX 919 Tour. Just don't know what would be best. Although the MP20 MB can be intimidating. Lol
Very bad video. I play my MP60s since I bought them in 2008 and like them. I thought, I will never find nicer irons and will never replace them. Now you come along with such a porn video showing this shiny, pretty MP20s and setting me at risk of replacing my MP60s. You should not be allowed to do this very bad things. Bad, bad boy. ;-)
@@SASGolf This is the best thing about Mizuno. You can order old model that is fitted with the grain flow forge HD. Danny Lee just got himself a new set of MP 32 for example.
Good video! I especially liked your comment about the inadequacies of today's club fitting being restricted to the 7-iron. Even Ping that prides itself on fitting everyone are limited to the 7-iron. I agree that something should be done.
Completely agree.
Hahahaha hahaha!!!! Loved the PSA after the statement that there was no other iron like a Mizuno iron!!!! All of us players gaming Japanese iron were about break our phones!! Then the ticker said “calm down” absolutely perfect Simon!!!!
Lol. This was so me... indignant huff for a second about my beautiful Miura blades 😂
However, I would still consider the HMB as a replacement for my blades long irons which can be troublesome!
Fergus Reeve, Realtor have you looked at the CB-301’s? I game the split set and in my long irons, it helps! And by all means these irons (Mizunos) are pretty fuckin gorgeous!!
I love a set of shiny blades! They look incredible!!
Gregg Daniels they look better in person as well 😬
Great video, so much better than the usual blinkered reviews
Just got fitted for a blended set of these. I absolutely love your videos. So good to get a great unbiased opinion.
Excellent video and I love the honesty about how it can be difficult to fit a full set based only on one iron. The amount of variability from player to player from iron to iron can be huge. Just because you’re 2 degrees upright in your 6 iron doesn’t mean that holds true for the entire set. You are doing your part so that is appreciated 🙏
This is, like, the fifth or sixth TH-cam video I’ve watched about the MP-20s ... that’s right. I’m living vicariously on TH-cam.
best video on the 20's yet, thanks Holmes
Had same issue at fitting but luckily my fitter games the MMC and he brought them by for me to try. Ended up with blended MB upto 7i and 6-4 in MMC. HMB gave little feedback so wasn't a big fan but that said prefer them over 790's. Shame MMC was not built with same look as the MB and HMB, would look nice in the bag, but at address and in play they are very similar. Thanks for the excellent video.
Thanks For Watching Guys! Il Get a review of the Mizuno SEL head with my Left hand swing out soon haha!
Great point on the lack of fitting clubs to try. Drives me nuts!
I have ordered a full mix and I sure hope it works out.
3-5 HMB, 6-8 MMC, 9-W MP20. I have been playing MP64's but I think I can use the help offered by the HMB and MMC.
It will be interesting to see the gaps in my choices.
I play the MMC (mp20) and that's wild that they spin the same as the blades while having less loft. Maybe that's why I find them so damn accurate and controllable.. Thanks!!
I’ve seen some fitters carry the 4,7,PW in all ranges but it’s super rare I think. Beautiful looking clubs, like the idea of a blend of all three!
Great honest advice as usual
It is funny that your first comment was about the finish. That is the reason why I play jpx 900 tours is because of the minimal difference between the face and toe finish.
Interesting stuff. We'd argue that in the MP Fli-Hi, MP-H4 and MP-H5 Mizuno was ahead of the industry curve with better players hollow irons.......probably a bit too far ahead for any of those to really stick at the time.
mizunogolfeurope completely agree with you in numbers and data, the only difference is the p790 nailed the aesthetics and the consumer responded. Believe the aesthetics of your range this year will make a big difference in the top end of the bag and the lower end has always looked sharp 👌
Thanks for watching, love the discussion.
@@SASGolf You're 100% right - we never quite got the cosmetics right on the previous versions. Nice work with the video.
@@golfermanjim5622 Best of luck....that's a little off our radar.
Mizunogolfeurope layer my first round with my ST200 driver & 3 wood, unbelievably good. More yards over the TS2, better feel. Now then. Do I change my JPX 919 HM for the HMB? Any gain to be had. Got DG reg, was considering HMB with c taper lite??
Custom fitted for MP20 HMB c taper lite reg. What followed: net 66, cut 1.2. 40 points, another 1.2 cut. An exceptional scoring cut 1.2, then 38 points only cut 0.3 due to a high css. Enough evidence? Btw, very tough links course south of England.
I wonder if you get more if you upgrade from a fitting centre to a performance centre? Last time I got fit for MP18 they had a full set of heads to try. Let's face it, if you feel you want HMB from 6 iron up you don't need to hit every single head to know you have made the correct decision. Equally if I want MB from 7 iron down I don't need to hit every single iron to know I have made the right choice.
Had this issue today at a fitting for Titleist irons. Only had 7 irons to test (t100, was very nice). Walked away. If I’m going to guess what’s the point in a fitting? How do you calculate the numbers for spin, launch etc from a 7 to a 4 iron?
Good honest video, thank you! I have a Mizuno fitting this Friday with an ex Muzuno tour player! Want to specifically try the HMB, but coming from 2015 Callaway BB irons, so do you think I'll notice many/any differences lol?? My hc is 15 btw..
Cheers
Andrew
I'm currently playing the the "JPX 900 hot metals", should I do a split set and put the MP20' HMBs from PW to 7 iron in the bag?
Great review Simon. Would be good to test the original TP 9 against it...they would be cheap!
I've had 2 sets of blades and basically wasn't good enough to pilot them.
Now a set of blade lookalikes that handle like cavity backs - that would work wonders for my golfing credibility.
I'll have to give them a try.
Can you explain why they chose to gaps these the way they have? If they want 2 degrees stronger why not carry that through the PW? Then you could build a wedge set starting as say 48 and maintain a 4 degree gap throughout the set. I cannot understand why they chose to widen the gap to 5 degrees when getting into the scoring clubs where distance control is a premium.
I loved the hmb irons..... Ordered 🙈🙈
You should do a video on swing thoughts...
Be cool to get yours and dig through the comments to maybe get a new approach
Could you do a video for dummies/novices? Different manufacturers and their ranges? I really like the look of most of the clubs I've seen but haven't got the balls to ask about the differences between them?! It would probably be a long video... cheers. I think.
I am off 15 and play my MP60s from PW up to 5i and I hit it well up to the 5i. I also have the 4i in my bag, but use it not often and only from the tee. So if I would replace my MP60s I would like to get the MP20s from PW to 5i. No need for longer irons, because I use a 19° hybrid and that works well for longer shots. Do you think, the MP20s in the blade version are harder to hit than the MP60s? I do not like to have a blent set. Maybe it's old school, and have to take a closer look at the MMX, but I do not like chunky looking irons even though, I would probably score better with them.
ThereIsProbablyNoGod to be honest go and try them mate as most places will let you hit it for free. hard for me to say with out seeing your numbers. The Mizuno blades over the years have progressively got more forgiving. But at the end of the day you are still hitting a blade and will get punished if not flushed!
@@SASGolf thanks for your answer. Will try them and compare them to my MP60s.
Theory: soft is slow when it comes to clubs too....BUT if you want a blade to provide something other than a sting it HAS to be a soft metal....Mizzies and Srixys for me
This video is very bad for my pocked , Question where can you go to get the best fitting for these , as you rightly say, you need to hit the wedges & 4/5 irons as well to see which best suits your game, thats the point of the blend thanks More honma reviews ;-)
Dear SAS ; you dont show the clubs offline resoult... Lofts is different.. and cary distance resoult + lounch angel+ backspins and all result is defffirent is correct.. But this comparison
inside most important is club offline resoult because .... The rest depends on everything loft and loft is different in each models... Please add a picture to ball offline resoult.. Accurity is everythink...
Yeah, but how do they FEEL? Mizuno puts copper in there to make them feel better than warm butter.
Simon - what mat do you use for hitting off - it just looks like astroturf, or is it a special golf mat?
Rob Brown yeah special mat to hit off. Has three different layers, but obviously nothing like hitting off of grass.
@@SASGolf What is it? I'm putting a sim in at the local country club in the Philippines and the proper mats from the States are around a grand a shot once shipped, looking for cheaper alternatives.
@@robbrown6495 what part of the Philippines are you? I'm in Davao
@@brianrizza2045 I'm up north in Baguio City.
I played MP62, but have just gone to Ping i500 for a bit moe help, those mizuno’s look lovely
Why don’t brands send out pw and 4/5 irons when fitting clubs I just don’t get it, for better players they would like to see the pw to see whether they want to use a 46/48 degree specialised or the standard pw from the set, then there’s the 4 iron to see whether the hmb is too chunky, or the mmc is too small and whether a hybrid is necessary, the gapping at the bottom end of the bag is crucial because if you have a pw that’s 44 degrees and a gap wedge that is 52 there’s going to be a 20-25 yard gap, hitting a half wedge to a front pin tucked behind a bunker is going to be even harder to get close to. Example 43 degree pw in ap3 and then a vokey 52 degree some people don’t realise this, they just see they’re getting 10 yards extra with a six iron
Excellent point Sim! Can't believe the companies wont let buyers try all clubs not just 7 irons. Daft really
Blockage is that the fitting cart would be too expensive and large for any retailer or manufacturer, The shafts in the fitting cart are specific to the 7 iron. For every different loft head, you'd need another complete set of shafts. One of the reasons the fitting carts have worked so well for the Golf Pro - reduces the amount of stock they need to carry, There is an answer - we just haven't got there just yet.
mizunogolfeurope well maybe a 9 and a 5 iron two try with the 7 iron. More needs to be offered
@@gavin6535 It's a good ideal - but would add about 80 shafts to the fitting cart.
I play off 46 and them irons scare me just looking at them they are beautiful irons though
Those spin rates look a bit low, you are a higher swing speed player and so should get higher spin rates than us average golfers. After saying that, I really like the look of the MMC
Justin Stephenson true, think if I was hitting them off of grass it would of been a different matter all together.
9:16 How is that a "massive downside of these irons"? Just having the 7 irons in a fitting cart doesn't tarnish the quality of the irons at all. It's the same with all mfgs. The only company I know that distributed more than just the 7 iron is PING who provided a 4, 7, w in the Blueprint.
Station 2Station yeah, I should of clarified more. As Mizuno are obviously specialising in a combo set, it would be good to have heads to Club Fit with the lower end. Obviously I understand that no other company does this either, due to massive costs. Should of worded it better. Thanks.
@@SASGolf Your videos are typically very useful to me. I'd love to see you do a followup vid outdoors where you discuss your thoughts on the feel vs the MP18. I thought the MP18 was firm due to the HD. Id like to hear your thoughts on if you think the copper is marketing guff or does it enhance the feel. I think they feel good, but closer to the MP18, rather than to the MP69 (old MP gooey softness). THANKS!
Ooooh Shinies
I think I’ll keep my P790s
Dude, you totally list me. Mmc? Mpc? What does it mean?
Mmc is Mizuno's name for their more "player's cavity club". It stands for multi material concept which refers to the titanium weight in the back of the iron and the tungsten weight in the toe. Don't think he said "mpc" but MP is simply a series of Mizuno irons which stands for "Mizuno Pro"
@@drywater_ Cheers dude. I'm a little more in the picture now.
Srixon Z Forged is just as good is a Mizuno blade
5 iron hmb 6-9 Mb sold
What is you hcp?
RiverRuns NC 12 because my wedge game is shocking. Full shots I’m fine with. Play Nike vr pro blades now and hit them great. As well as any cavity back iron I’ve had. I don’t buy in to this forgiveness marketing or not good enough to play blades.
@@muffin0079 Yeah.. I know a guy shoots mid 90s and plays Titleist MBs.
I play JPX 900 Forged and love them. Thinking of combo with MP20 MB or MMC... or may combo with JPX 919 Tour. Just don't know what would be best. Although the MP20 MB can be intimidating. Lol
RiverRuns NC definitely give the blades a try if you go for a fitting. Can be intimidating looking down at a smaller club head but do get used to it.
greaaaatttttt
Very bad video. I play my MP60s since I bought them in 2008 and like them. I thought, I will never find nicer irons and will never replace them. Now you come along with such a porn video showing this shiny, pretty MP20s and setting me at risk of replacing my MP60s. You should not be allowed to do this very bad things. Bad, bad boy. ;-)
ThereIsProbablyNoGod buy another set of new mp60’s haha. These are blinding however 😎
@@SASGolf This is the best thing about Mizuno. You can order old model that is fitted with the grain flow forge HD. Danny Lee just got himself a new set of MP 32 for example.
Dude are you pissed off? Chill out. Thumbs down
Not good for lefties