Balancing CPU & GPU clocks is crucial for optimal device performance and may help reduce stuttering or sudden frame drops. While going beyond a 30W power limit may not always provide significant performance gains, it allows for better power distribution, which can enhance stability and responsiveness in demanding games. EDIT: 11 GAMES BENCHMARK with this tweak: th-cam.com/video/LnnJkkA2cQE/w-d-xo.html New guide to set up to 50W TDP: th-cam.com/video/oP_LjZm65vc/w-d-xo.html If you choose to follow increasing the TDP, Please proceed with caution and make sure you have adequate airflow and cooling and if you have any question dont hesitate to write it here or join TECHOSAUR Discord community: discord.gg/PXmJY6BP8b Download links: Smokeless tool: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF Ryzen Universal x86 Tuning Utility: amdaputuningutility.com/ Thanks to all developers behind those third-party tools! ROG ALLY Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfPWpS6QgZTK62-QXOhr0XhF.html LEGION GO Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr.html If you enjoy my content Subscribe become a member: th-cam.com/channels/-jauq-kZ20FrlnCMkx2gSQ.htmljoin
Thanks for the quality tips for all the videos, but I'm not very convinced about these settings for this one. Have you tried in the custom settings tab : AMD Precision Boost Overdrive / AMD Curve Optimiser / AMD Per-Core Curve Optimiser ? (I'm using V2.3.0 - Beta 3) I don't know if they are working properly with the Z1E but this could be a better tunning for performances.
Doesn't seem like the Z1 Extreme supports AMD PBO. If you check the specs, you won't find it listed. AMD is usually transparent about its hardware features. I once set it all the way to -30 magnitude and checked the voltage in HWinfo while running Cinebench, but it was still the same. I don't think precision boost override with curve optimizer is unlocked on the Z1 Extreme. It's an undervolting feature, and the voltage is locked on this chip. I use AMD curve optimizer on my Ryzen desktop, and it works wonders. Usually, when you change it to a low negative point, it becomes unstable. On the other hand, if I shift it to the maximum, nothing happens on ally I'll check again. looking at the Z1 Extreme page, it clearly states: support AMD super resolution, AMD Radeon chill, AMD Radeon anti-lag, and AMD Radeon boost.
For anyone on here be careful when setting edc & tdc. those control vrm current. so you need to find out what’s the max current that your vrms support. My mother board limit is 60. I know this is a handheld video but it still applys
well said, Smokeless tool has EDC, and TDC limits and I never lay a finger on them, VRM limits are predefined depending on VRM and motherboard specs, even when handling those limits on desktop-based Ryzen motherboards, it's best to know your motherboard limits before changing them
@silfrido1768 What's your CPU? I was thinking of making an 8700G in a mini ITX factor with Aorus, as it's the only mainstream motherboard company I haven't tried ever
Thank you for your video. After watching it, I have a question: should CPU Boost or Turbo Boost, be enabled? If it is always on, will it cause the CPU and GPU to compete for power for gaming❤❤❤?
it really depends. With CPU boost off, you will save some power and keep CPU at the base clock, which is 3.3 GHz. It can boost up to 5.1 GHz but only for single-core workloads. For multi-core workloads like games, it usually boosts 4.1 GHz. So, from 3.3 GHz to 4.1 GHz, you are not losing a lot in most of times. And this way, you can allocate that extra power to the GPU. But I found that nevertheless, if you want your GPU to be at peak performance clock, which is 2.5 GHz, you will have to set the TDP to 35-40 W with CPU boost off. If you want CPU boost on and get the maximum CPU clock to 4.1 GHz and GPU clock to 2.5 GHz, you set the TDP to 45 W. But your cooling plays a crucial role. If you don't max out the fans or have a modded back cover with better airflow to the APU, you will thermal throttle and just end up losing more performance and causing premature component failure. So, it's a good idea to monitor temps when going higher than 30 W, at least initially, until you are assured it's okay. If u want my personal setup, I usually keep cpu boost ON, perhaps most users turn it off but there are games that are cpu sensitive and may use GPU at like 1.5Ghz while require higher CPU one and for those ones boosting helps, an example is emulators which use CPU quite more intensively than GPU, like Switch emulators
Makes a big video comparing CPU clocks(turbo on/off) in a non-CPU demanding game...and worse...in only ONE GAME...try the same with Destiny 2 in a public area like Neptune...or try switching on/off CPU turbo in Helldivers 2... sorry this is thumbs down
it's a higher GPU clock 2500MHz , with CPU Boost ON/OFF you are quite right, I wanted to share the technique in case anyone would like to try it as well. if seeing more games will help, I'll surely do it, I wanted to avoid making a super long video guide + tons of benchmarks thanks to your feedback, I think I'll give it try in about the other 5 titles to make an update, sorry if this one wasn't to your taste 🫤
@@TECHOSAUR I like your content :-) I like even this video don't get me wrong. I see all the time you invested in that I just feel like we are getting only one side of the "story" here since we sorta get the one extreme here which is the game with brutal GPU usage...CP77 is still a CPU demanding game just would be a good to have like 3 games total where one would represent the CPU side, other the GPU side and third one a balance.
@Ragy- Please give me a list of at least three titles that you think will be a great demonstration for this. I think one would be Helldivers 2 since it's trending. Help me with the other 2... or 3 🤔 It's very important for me to make things that are relevant and not clickbaiting. Thanks for your support 👍
I really love your videos. But I have a question. If you turn cpu boost off but set the minimum cpu clock to say 3.8ghz will it run at 3.8 or downclock to the non boost speed of 3.3?
It will stay at 3.3 GHz no matter what you change. With CPU boost off, you will be at the designed base clock. The CPU boost option takes precedence over manual clock changes. It's ideal for saving power and also for providing a higher GPU clock, but emulators depend on the CPU to do their emulation process, so I found that it is better to have CPU boost on in that case. Also, generally, when you have higher clocks for both the CPU and GPU, you will get stable performance and improve low FPS much more than average. It may not be the case in all scenarios, depending on the game optimization to begin with, but generally, boosted clocks ensure you get consistent performance. Edit: I'm glad you love the videos. You honor me ✌️
Hi, just be your allies😂, I got a question, confused me for months, my ally when turing on afmf the fps overlay of afmf will stuck, even with ddu and reinstall it will freezs as well, but without using afmf fps display works fine. Do you have any solution😂? I find disable and enable smart access memory could work. But I cannot find that option in bios thanks a lot❤
Thanks for becoming a member! 🙏 For me, it works fine when using AFMF. The AMD Radeon overlay displays the FPS correctly. Did you check the part in this video? th-cam.com/video/EZKGCmfUx5Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Z7hVRAUbX9hliqwz Timestamp: 0:35 That's how I usually monitor FPS with AFMF On.ASUS released a new GPU driver that natively supports AFMF with their OEM GPU driver. I also read somewhere that they will add support to monitor AFMF in their overlay. Did you check armory crate for an update as well? It might have been released already. Otherwise, I'll check it too. Thanks again for ur support
@@TECHOSAUR thanks！I acctually followed all your steps but when using afmf it will display na but other times it works fine. I checked online some had same problem as well even I update the driver of asus still exists(actually 4 monthes for me no solution). Armour overlay still can't be used when .enable afmf. I checked online,some said this a bug by disable SAM could solve😂but I can't find it in the bios, probably using the bios in a usb driver of the video you talked about setting rog ram to do that?
@@yutongduan1934 actually disabling Smart Access Memory isn't a good idea as SAM enables AMD Ryzen processors to harness the full potential of the GPU. It provides increased performance with an all-AMD setup, however I'll check if you can disable it so you can at least see if the overlay would show, and if there's any performance change.
@@TECHOSAUR thanks a lot，I see the solution to the bug some discussed is to disable it and then enable😂 the overlay will work then, hopefully it could.
Yes, since you do not need the iGPU at all in this case, allocating all power to the CPU will minimize CPU bottlenecking in your discrete GPU setup. Good strategy
Some users play in stationary mode; you can always switch profiles. Nothing is permanent. I think it's similar to when you dock a Switch. FPS gains aren't significant, but if you think about it, a fixed GPU clock is often useful to avoid sudden frame dips. Also, if you disable CPU boost, you can easily get a high GPU clock of 2500 MHz fixed at 38 W. So u could set TDP to a maximum of 40 W, with CPU boost off. And set a high GPU clock, a win for modern titles. you can give it a try. I didn't test a lot of games on it. But if you like, I can Also I tried the hardest game to gain any performance at 😅 Cyberpunk is hardly getting a boost no matter what. Maybe a focus on competitive lightweight ones may do better
Balancing CPU & GPU clocks is crucial for optimal device performance and may help reduce stuttering or sudden frame drops.
While going beyond a 30W power limit may not always provide significant performance gains, it allows for better power distribution, which can enhance stability and responsiveness in demanding games.
EDIT: 11 GAMES BENCHMARK with this tweak: th-cam.com/video/LnnJkkA2cQE/w-d-xo.html
New guide to set up to 50W TDP: th-cam.com/video/oP_LjZm65vc/w-d-xo.html
If you choose to follow increasing the TDP, Please proceed with caution and make sure you have adequate airflow and cooling
and if you have any question dont hesitate to write it here or join TECHOSAUR Discord community: discord.gg/PXmJY6BP8b
Download links:
Smokeless tool: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF
Ryzen Universal x86 Tuning Utility: amdaputuningutility.com/
Thanks to all developers behind those third-party tools!
ROG ALLY Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfPWpS6QgZTK62-QXOhr0XhF.html
LEGION GO Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr.html
If you enjoy my content Subscribe
become a member: th-cam.com/channels/-jauq-kZ20FrlnCMkx2gSQ.htmljoin
Thanks for the quality tips for all the videos, but I'm not very convinced about these settings for this one.
Have you tried in the custom settings tab : AMD Precision Boost Overdrive / AMD Curve Optimiser / AMD Per-Core Curve Optimiser ? (I'm using V2.3.0 - Beta 3)
I don't know if they are working properly with the Z1E but this could be a better tunning for performances.
Doesn't seem like the Z1 Extreme supports AMD PBO. If you check the specs, you won't find it listed. AMD is usually transparent about its hardware features. I once set it all the way to -30 magnitude and checked the voltage in HWinfo while running Cinebench, but it was still the same. I don't think precision boost override with curve optimizer is unlocked on the Z1 Extreme. It's an undervolting feature, and the voltage is locked on this chip.
I use AMD curve optimizer on my Ryzen desktop, and it works wonders.
Usually, when you change it to a low negative point, it becomes unstable. On the other hand, if I shift it to the maximum, nothing happens on ally
I'll check again.
looking at the Z1 Extreme page, it clearly states: support AMD super resolution, AMD Radeon chill, AMD Radeon anti-lag, and AMD Radeon boost.
You know the open world game aways more reliant on the cpu work like gta5
For anyone on here be careful when setting edc & tdc. those control vrm current.
so you need to find out what’s the max current that your vrms support.
My mother board limit is 60.
I know this is a handheld video but it still applys
well said, Smokeless tool has EDC, and TDC limits and I never lay a finger on them, VRM limits are predefined depending on VRM and motherboard specs, even when handling those limits on desktop-based Ryzen motherboards, it's best to know your motherboard limits before changing them
@@TECHOSAUR I set my ppt to 500000 , tdc 400000, & edc to 400000. I might lower ppt tho since summer time is right around the corner
@silfrido1768 what's ur motherboard?
@@TECHOSAUR b650 aorus elite ax ice 12+12+12 vrm phases.
Not an asus board but I got this thing rock solid. My cpu can even do a - pbo of 40 all core
@silfrido1768 What's your CPU?
I was thinking of making an 8700G in a mini ITX factor with Aorus, as it's the only mainstream motherboard company I haven't tried ever
Thank you for your video. After watching it, I have a question: should CPU Boost or Turbo Boost, be enabled? If it is always on, will it cause the CPU and GPU to compete for power for gaming❤❤❤?
it really depends. With CPU boost off, you will save some power and keep CPU at the base clock, which is 3.3 GHz. It can boost up to 5.1 GHz but only for single-core workloads. For multi-core workloads like games, it usually boosts 4.1 GHz.
So, from 3.3 GHz to 4.1 GHz, you are not losing a lot in most of times. And this way, you can allocate that extra power to the GPU.
But I found that nevertheless, if you want your GPU to be at peak performance clock, which is 2.5 GHz, you will have to set the TDP to 35-40 W with CPU boost off. If you want CPU boost on and get the maximum CPU clock to 4.1 GHz and GPU clock to 2.5 GHz, you set the TDP to 45 W.
But your cooling plays a crucial role. If you don't max out the fans or have a modded back cover with better airflow to the APU, you will thermal throttle and just end up losing more performance and causing premature component failure. So, it's a good idea to monitor temps when going higher than 30 W, at least initially, until you are assured it's okay.
If u want my personal setup, I usually keep cpu boost ON, perhaps most users turn it off but there are games that are cpu sensitive and may use GPU at like 1.5Ghz while require higher CPU one and for those ones boosting helps, an example is emulators which use CPU quite more intensively than GPU, like Switch emulators
Makes a big video comparing CPU clocks(turbo on/off) in a non-CPU demanding game...and worse...in only ONE GAME...try the same with Destiny 2 in a public area like Neptune...or try switching on/off CPU turbo in Helldivers 2...
sorry this is thumbs down
it's a higher GPU clock 2500MHz , with CPU Boost ON/OFF
you are quite right, I wanted to share the technique in case anyone would like to try it as well.
if seeing more games will help, I'll surely do it, I wanted to avoid making a super long video guide + tons of benchmarks
thanks to your feedback, I think I'll give it try in about the other 5 titles to make an update, sorry if this one wasn't to your taste 🫤
@@TECHOSAUR I like your content :-) I like even this video don't get me wrong. I see all the time you invested in that I just feel like we are getting only one side of the "story" here since we sorta get the one extreme here which is the game with brutal GPU usage...CP77 is still a CPU demanding game just would be a good to have like 3 games total where one would represent the CPU side, other the GPU side and third one a balance.
@Ragy-
Please give me a list of at least three titles that you think will be a great demonstration for this.
I think one would be Helldivers 2 since it's trending.
Help me with the other 2... or 3 🤔
It's very important for me to make things that are relevant and not clickbaiting. Thanks for your support 👍
@@TECHOSAURI think palworld and cod(this game for my 6800u device Turbo off cause stuttering)
@yutongduan1934 thanks for the info!
Will try to check it
I really love your videos. But I have a question. If you turn cpu boost off but set the minimum cpu clock to say 3.8ghz will it run at 3.8 or downclock to the non boost speed of 3.3?
It will stay at 3.3 GHz no matter what you change. With CPU boost off, you will be at the designed base clock. The CPU boost option takes precedence over manual clock changes.
It's ideal for saving power and also for providing a higher GPU clock, but emulators depend on the CPU to do their emulation process, so I found that it is better to have CPU boost on in that case.
Also, generally, when you have higher clocks for both the CPU and GPU, you will get stable performance and improve low FPS much more than average. It may not be the case in all scenarios, depending on the game optimization to begin with, but generally, boosted clocks ensure you get consistent performance.
Edit: I'm glad you love the videos. You honor me ✌️
Hi, just be your allies😂, I got a question, confused me for months, my ally when turing on afmf the fps overlay of afmf will stuck, even with ddu and reinstall it will freezs as well, but without using afmf fps display works fine. Do you have any solution😂? I find disable and enable smart access memory could work. But I cannot find that option in bios thanks a lot❤
Thanks for becoming a member! 🙏
For me, it works fine when using AFMF. The AMD Radeon overlay displays the FPS correctly.
Did you check the part in this video?
th-cam.com/video/EZKGCmfUx5Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Z7hVRAUbX9hliqwz
Timestamp: 0:35
That's how I usually monitor FPS with AFMF On.ASUS released a new GPU driver that natively supports AFMF with their OEM GPU driver. I also read somewhere that they will add support to monitor AFMF in their overlay. Did you check armory crate for an update as well?
It might have been released already. Otherwise, I'll check it too.
Thanks again for ur support
@@TECHOSAUR thanks！I acctually followed all your steps but when using afmf it will display na but other times it works fine. I checked online some had same problem as well even I update the driver of asus still exists(actually 4 monthes for me no solution). Armour overlay still can't be used when .enable afmf. I checked online,some said this a bug by disable SAM could solve😂but I can't find it in the bios, probably using the bios in a usb driver of the video you talked about setting rog ram to do that?
@@yutongduan1934 actually disabling Smart Access Memory isn't a good idea as SAM enables AMD Ryzen processors to harness the full potential of the GPU. It provides increased performance with an all-AMD setup, however I'll check if you can disable it so you can at least see if the overlay would show, and if there's any performance change.
@@TECHOSAUR thanks a lot，I see the solution to the bug some discussed is to disable it and then enable😂 the overlay will work then, hopefully it could.
I need all cpu power docked to a 3060 should i do 50 watts to the cpu
Yes, since you do not need the iGPU at all in this case, allocating all power to the CPU will minimize CPU bottlenecking in your discrete GPU setup. Good strategy
20w power more =1 Fps more .. 🤔 No sense :/, uses battery 2x Faster
Some users play in stationary mode; you can always switch profiles. Nothing is permanent.
I think it's similar to when you dock a Switch.
FPS gains aren't significant, but if you think about it, a fixed GPU clock is often useful to avoid sudden frame dips.
Also, if you disable CPU boost, you can easily get a high GPU clock of 2500 MHz fixed at 38 W.
So u could set TDP to a maximum of 40 W, with CPU boost off. And set a high GPU clock, a win for modern titles. you can give it a try. I didn't test a lot of games on it. But if you like, I can
Also I tried the hardest game to gain any performance at 😅
Cyberpunk is hardly getting a boost no matter what. Maybe a focus on competitive lightweight ones may do better
It is not just about fps. Learn about frametimes then come back.