While going beyond 30w may not yield a lot of performance increases, but it's useful to know how to change those pre-defined limits I'll test more titles with 30 vs 50w perhaps we'll find ones that could potentially benefit from higher consistent CPU and GPU clock If you follow those steps please do it carefully, while we are not changing complicated stuff to soft brick or anything, still please go cautiously hopefully they'll keep updating those tools in order to have support for future RYZEN based handhelds Thanks to all developers behind them! Download links: Smokeless: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF HandheldCompanion: github.com/Valkirie/HandheldCompanion Ryzen Universal x86 Tuning Utility: amdaputuningutility.com/ LEGION GO playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr.html If you enjoy my content Subscribe & Join the TECHOSAUR Community on Discord: discord.gg/PXmJY6BP8b you can seek technical assistance, exchange ideas and experiences, relax, share memes, make video request and most importanly feel at home become a member: th-cam.com/channels/-jauq-kZ20FrlnCMkx2gSQ.htmljoin
I'm having quite a few problems with mine overheating. So I'm considering trying to see what I can get out of undervolting it instead of increasing the power limit...
Unfortunately, this custom APU has locked voltage control; otherwise, I would have done a guide about it. I was interested in doing it as much as you are. The only thing you can do if you want lower temperatures is disabling CPU boost
For some reason I tried all of your exact settings on smokeless but I can only get it up to 40W without crashing. It will hold 40 watts but any more watts I add after that and within a few minutes it just crashes. The device is only getting warm and not hot at all so it doesn’t feel like it’s overheating. I’m just wondering how the ROG Ally can reach 50 watts just fine no problems but the legion go best case scenario for me was 40 watts max while yours somehow is 45 watts max. I don’t know how ETA PRIME got his past 60 Watts without any issues. I really want to figure this out. Edit: I’m also using the original 65 Watt power brick from Lenovo as well.
I think it doesn't have to do with the temperature, but the VRM is not able to deliver that much power for a long time. It comes down to the quality of the VRM between the Legion go and the ally. True, the ally TDP can get higher. My Legion Go max is 45W before crashing, while the ally can handle 54W just fine. Your Go getting to 40W before shutting down only tells us that the VRM may also be a limiting factor before different units, I used on mine 100w power brick connected to docking stand If u have a 100w give it a try
I think ETA Prime has a lower score than Techosoaur because his OS is less optimized, that's my guess because his default testings were way lower. I can't use Auto TDP cuz I'm on Windows 10, so I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do here... if Universal x86 works, why do we need the handheld companion..?
I would be curious to see what sortnof gains you get with a game like modern warfare 3. With the builtnin game benchmark.... Naturally this game is both gpu and cpu heavy, as a result the components are fighting over the power and if the gpu clocks drop, the frames drop, if the cpu clock drops, the frames suffer. Im wondering if the extra 10-15w will help keep the clocks more stable ?
Wait mw3 has a built-in benchmarks!? Sweet ! I'll try it ASAP, didn't know , I usually focus on built-in ones to not get inaccurate result Is it okay if done on ally x for now ? As I've been preparing it for a benchmarks of thjs sort
@@TECHOSAUR sure thing ! I'm just doing a before and after comparison now, I've just finished applying the 45w mode and I'm abouts to the mod that sets the GPU to 2500mhz too
Just to add. So far on the 45w mode alone on the built in benchmark it removes the CPU bottle neck and before the mod was 110fps average on the CPU and after the mod it's 148fps average
Perhaps there's a charge limiter enabled by default in the BIOS www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/GBwrf4vwwK This post talks about others too having 80% after bios reset
So i have a issue so i set my go to 45 watts and when it get to hot it power completely off how to fix it i also have my legion go sit to 8gb on ram but would 6gb be better
Yes, 8GB sounds like too much if your total memory is 16GB. It's better with 6GB, and sometimes I even use 4GB. Well, are you sure it's caused by heat? Because when, for example, I set mine to 50W, it shuts down, but not due to thermals, but probably a sudden power shortage. That's why I dialed it to 45W, and it runs fine. If yours is shutting down at 45W, try 42W. Some other user had this issue and solved it when they used 42W instead.
hey, thanks for the tutorial. It's so cool to find out that the legion go still has some untapped potential. I have an issue though. I tried the 45w tdp but now my games feel less smooth. I have a gain of fps as shown by the overlay but the latency graph(the graph beside the fps in your vids) is extremely unstable ; it spikes a lot for me. would you happen to know what might be causing that?
Did you check your CPU, GPU clocks post-tweak? Perhaps it's thermal throttling causing a sudden shift that causes rough spikes. Also, try with 40W and check whether it's more optimal than 45W. I found that most gains happen at 38W, so I think with 40W you're already getting the most out of it. Please check the clocks so we can see if it's the reason
@@TECHOSAUR hey, thanks for the answer and sorry for the late response. I just tried 40w as you suggested and it was a little better than 45w but not better than 32w. And as you though the GPU clock post tweak(40w) is a little bit lower than before tweak(32w) : ~2000mhz(40w) vs ~2230mhz(32w). I suppose it is thermal throttling indeed. I was unable to track CPU clock, as my rivatuner does not seem to have the CPU clock sensor.
35W provides about half the performance gains of 50W. It seems that the additional power is being allocated more to the CPU, as you saw it received most of the score increases in Cinebench and 3DMark. Perhaps it would be beneficial, but games benefit quite more from a higher and consistent GPU clock, so it may be a good idea to shift power to the GPU component when you have a higher power budget. I might look into it. Actually, ALLY can handle 45W too, but it will throttle down for both at some point. For daily use, I think 35W may be suitable for some use cases. Maybe if you have a modified back cover, it may allow for better airflow too. The good thing is that once you set up everything in the smokeless tool, you can put them there once and control TDP in the OS using the apps I showed. For example, I may put all 45W in smokeless and still adjust it to 35W in the OS; I tried it. I feel the LeGo benefits a lot from this given its fast LPDDR5X, with the extra power it allows it to not compromise GPU clock on 7500 MT/s I have the modded back cover ordered, and I will see how it works with it, too Thanks for tuning in ❤️
@@Pilociks depending if the game is CPU or GPU dependent, and its not going to give a lot of FPS but may reduce microstutter and improve lower fps than average
is there a way to put the bios back to default for some reason now I can’t control my battery wattage and whenever I turn my Lenovo off or when it’s on, it’s only staying at 40. I was trying to play a game at 15 wattage and it wouldn’t do it.
Yes, you can do it in the Legion Go BIOS menu. Go to Advanced; there's a Reset Settings to Default option that resets all BIOS back to factory settings
@@TECHOSAUR It is at 32 watts. The Cpu and gpu temperature are both at 77 C. It seems that as soon as the gpu reaches that exact number, the performance begins to tank. Once the temperature decrease down to 76, the performance goes up again.
@junminlee6088 Do you use a handheld companion or third-party apps to change thermal limits? Because by default, it throttles performance at 100°C. Perhaps you have an app or setting capping it at 77°C. Install auto TDP app and follow the part where I show how to check your current thermal limit.
Maybe your USB drive is faulty or causing freezing. after it loads smokless tool, unplug the USB drive, and the tool will still be loaded. You can continue your work fine and save.
@@TECHOSAUR It was indeed the USB drive but this USB drive is working properly with other devices. I had to try 3 to find one working properly. For some reason a lot of USB drive and accessories aren't working properly with the Legion GO. i have constant connections/disconnections with my USB dock too it's really annoying.
@@TECHOSAUR Yes, it doesn't make any difference unfortunatly. If i recall correctly this setting just rise the maximum current provided by the USB ports.
@Daburademo, there's a new BIOS release N32 that might fix the issue you're having. Otherwise, please write about it in the Legion community so the moderators can pass it on to the engineers for a potential fix in future updates. It's inconvenient that you are having issues with the lack of external accessory compatibility.
I just used your video for setting it up for 45 watt like you did. Thank you for the helpful video! I'm also using a Razor Core with a 4070ti super and my 3D Mark score was 20,824 GPU and 9406 CPU on time spy. Total score was 17,616...It says hardware monitor wasn't on so I can't save it?? It's not a contest and I'm not paying for 3D mark😂 I'm sure the eGPU helped😂 but I'm also now running CyberPunk 2077 at high settings a bit over 120fps without any issues! Thanks man! Stupid Hand Held Companion wouldn't open back up after verifying the wattage but I went into task manager and saw it was opened but hidden.... I'm not computer savvy so🤣 It fixed itself... What overlay are you using? Legion Go overlay sucks and the 4070 one doesn't show CPU watt....😮 Thanks man
I use RivaTuner Statistics Server's overlay. It can use third-party monitoring tools like HWInfo, Afterburner, and AIDA64 to import sensors from external software. This way, you can see statistics from all of them, but it also has its own native sensors
@@TECHOSAUR 😎 I'll check that out, I'm more interested in temp, if it's consistently too high I'll back it down. My FPS on 3D mark was about 53, guess it goes to show an eGPU helped. This mainly stays docked anyway. Your doing great things!!🫡 Thank you
it’s not about the meanings but the allocation just look at the frequency of the cpu ，it perform like a monster eat any watts whatever you give with almostly same useness
yet again with another S tier video 🙏🏻🙂↔️. with your ram video I was able to go from 7200 cl34-42-42-84-126 1.4v to 6400 cl28-37-37-30-67 1.485v this made my pc even more stable ! specs - 4090 strix 7800x3d 6400 cl28-37-37-30-67 B650 aorus elite ax ice Thanks to you & a few other folks on this platform I now have a solid bios ! ❤
While going beyond 30w may not yield a lot of performance increases, but it's useful to know how to change those pre-defined limits
I'll test more titles with 30 vs 50w perhaps we'll find ones that could potentially benefit from higher consistent CPU and GPU clock
If you follow those steps please do it carefully, while we are not changing complicated stuff to soft brick or anything, still please go cautiously
hopefully they'll keep updating those tools in order to have support for future RYZEN based handhelds
Thanks to all developers behind them!
Download links:
Smokeless: github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF
HandheldCompanion: github.com/Valkirie/HandheldCompanion
Ryzen Universal x86 Tuning Utility: amdaputuningutility.com/
LEGION GO playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLg8ANjUNzqfN0uUCjfOQmFXCNulJuFIRr.html
If you enjoy my content Subscribe & Join the TECHOSAUR Community on Discord: discord.gg/PXmJY6BP8b
you can seek technical assistance, exchange ideas and experiences, relax, share memes, make video request and most importanly feel at home
become a member: th-cam.com/channels/-jauq-kZ20FrlnCMkx2gSQ.htmljoin
This warning does no justice to the risk of handheld companion techosaur!
Priceless info, extremely grateful, subscribed.
Thanks, glad you subscribed 🫡
I'm having quite a few problems with mine overheating. So I'm considering trying to see what I can get out of undervolting it instead of increasing the power limit...
Unfortunately, this custom APU has locked voltage control; otherwise, I would have done a guide about it. I was interested in doing it as much as you are. The only thing you can do if you want lower temperatures is disabling CPU boost
For some reason I tried all of your exact settings on smokeless but I can only get it up to 40W without crashing. It will hold 40 watts but any more watts I add after that and within a few minutes it just crashes. The device is only getting warm and not hot at all so it doesn’t feel like it’s overheating. I’m just wondering how the ROG Ally can reach 50 watts just fine no problems but the legion go best case scenario for me was 40 watts max while yours somehow is 45 watts max. I don’t know how ETA PRIME got his past 60 Watts without any issues. I really want to figure this out. Edit: I’m also using the original 65 Watt power brick from Lenovo as well.
I think it doesn't have to do with the temperature, but the VRM is not able to deliver that much power for a long time. It comes down to the quality of the VRM between the Legion go and the ally. True, the ally TDP can get higher. My Legion Go max is 45W before crashing, while the ally can handle 54W just fine.
Your Go getting to 40W before shutting down only tells us that the VRM may also be a limiting factor before different units, I used on mine 100w power brick connected to docking stand
If u have a 100w give it a try
I think ETA Prime has a lower score than Techosoaur because his OS is less optimized, that's my guess because his default testings were way lower. I can't use Auto TDP cuz I'm on Windows 10, so I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do here... if Universal x86 works, why do we need the handheld companion..?
I would be curious to see what sortnof gains you get with a game like modern warfare 3. With the builtnin game benchmark....
Naturally this game is both gpu and cpu heavy, as a result the components are fighting over the power and if the gpu clocks drop, the frames drop, if the cpu clock drops, the frames suffer. Im wondering if the extra 10-15w will help keep the clocks more stable ?
Wait mw3 has a built-in benchmarks!? Sweet ! I'll try it ASAP, didn't know , I usually focus on built-in ones to not get inaccurate result
Is it okay if done on ally x for now ? As I've been preparing it for a benchmarks of thjs sort
@@TECHOSAUR sure thing ! I'm just doing a before and after comparison now, I've just finished applying the 45w mode and I'm abouts to the mod that sets the GPU to 2500mhz too
Just to add. So far on the 45w mode alone on the built in benchmark it removes the CPU bottle neck and before the mod was 110fps average on the CPU and after the mod it's 148fps average
I restarted it back to default, but there was a slight hiccup when I did that now my Lenovo doesn’t charge to 100 it only charges to 80%
Perhaps there's a charge limiter enabled by default in the BIOS
www.reddit.com/r/LegionGo/s/GBwrf4vwwK
This post talks about others too having 80% after bios reset
So i have a issue so i set my go to 45 watts and when it get to hot it power completely off how to fix it i also have my legion go sit to 8gb on ram but would 6gb be better
Yes, 8GB sounds like too much if your total memory is 16GB. It's better with 6GB, and sometimes I even use 4GB.
Well, are you sure it's caused by heat? Because when, for example, I set mine to 50W, it shuts down, but not due to thermals, but probably a sudden power shortage. That's why I dialed it to 45W, and it runs fine. If yours is shutting down at 45W, try 42W. Some other user had this issue and solved it when they used 42W instead.
hey, thanks for the tutorial. It's so cool to find out that the legion go still has some untapped potential. I have an issue though. I tried the 45w tdp but now my games feel less smooth. I have a gain of fps as shown by the overlay but the latency graph(the graph beside the fps in your vids) is extremely unstable ; it spikes a lot for me. would you happen to know what might be causing that?
Did you check your CPU, GPU clocks post-tweak? Perhaps it's thermal throttling causing a sudden shift that causes rough spikes.
Also, try with 40W and check whether it's more optimal than 45W.
I found that most gains happen at 38W, so I think with 40W you're already getting the most out of it.
Please check the clocks so we can see if it's the reason
@@TECHOSAUR hey, thanks for the answer and sorry for the late response. I just tried 40w as you suggested and it was a little better than 45w but not better than 32w. And as you though the GPU clock post tweak(40w) is a little bit lower than before tweak(32w) : ~2000mhz(40w) vs ~2230mhz(32w). I suppose it is thermal throttling indeed. I was unable to track CPU clock, as my rivatuner does not seem to have the CPU clock sensor.
Wow bro ❤, The only thing that this would not suit the Asus ROG, because of how hot it is.
35W provides about half the performance gains of 50W.
It seems that the additional power is being allocated more to the CPU, as you saw it received most of the score increases in Cinebench and 3DMark.
Perhaps it would be beneficial, but games benefit quite more from a higher and consistent GPU clock, so it may be a good idea to shift power to the GPU component when you have a higher power budget.
I might look into it.
Actually, ALLY can handle 45W too, but it will throttle down for both at some point. For daily use, I think 35W may be suitable for some use cases. Maybe if you have a modified back cover, it may allow for better airflow too.
The good thing is that once you set up everything in the smokeless tool, you can put them there once and control TDP in the OS using the apps I showed. For example, I may put all 45W in smokeless and still adjust it to 35W in the OS; I tried it.
I feel the LeGo benefits a lot from this given its fast LPDDR5X, with the extra power it allows it to not compromise GPU clock on 7500 MT/s
I have the modded back cover ordered, and I will see how it works with it, too
Thanks for tuning in ❤️
Why on my legion ryzen universal tool when set custom gpu clock it does not work ?
Did you hit the apply button ? It's at the bottom
@@TECHOSAUR Yes . No fps difference Between 1500 or 2700 clock
@@Pilociks depending if the game is CPU or GPU dependent, and its not going to give a lot of FPS but may reduce microstutter and improve lower fps than average
bro i really appreciate this❤
I appreciate your comment too 🫶
is there a way to put the bios back to default for some reason now I can’t control my battery wattage and whenever I turn my Lenovo off or when it’s on, it’s only staying at 40. I was trying to play a game at 15 wattage and it wouldn’t do it.
Yes, you can do it in the Legion Go BIOS menu. Go to Advanced; there's a Reset Settings to Default option that resets all BIOS back to factory settings
I have a huge problem. As soon as the legion go gpu reaches 77 C, the performance begins to throttle back. How can I fix this?
you need to check the CPU temperature. If they're both high, you may need to ramp up the fan faster to cool. What TDP do you have set?
@@TECHOSAUR It is at 32 watts. The Cpu and gpu temperature are both at 77 C. It seems that as soon as the gpu reaches that exact number, the performance begins to tank. Once the temperature decrease down to 76, the performance goes up again.
@junminlee6088 Do you use a handheld companion or third-party apps to change thermal limits?
Because by default, it throttles performance at 100°C.
Perhaps you have an app or setting capping it at 77°C.
Install auto TDP app and follow the part where I show how to check your current thermal limit.
use 144 hz mode @@junminlee6088
Does it use 60a power stages or 40a?
The model seems to be MP86901F DC
But there are different models to it
I was only able to find the MP86912C (28v, 25a), and the MP86905 (4.5v to 16v, 50a) datasheets. Couldn't find anything on the MP86901F
Found a few MP86901 SKUs. The AGQT-P (26v, 12a), CGLT-P (26v 25a), and the CGLT-Z (26v, 25a).
Hi
Can I use legion space control after using Smokeless UMAF BIOS tool?
Can I do BIOS updates later?
Yes, you can use Legion space with this modification.
You can still do BIOS updates, but they will override your BIOS changes.
For me Smokeless tool is randomly freezing after a few seconds into the utility, every time
Maybe your USB drive is faulty or causing freezing.
after it loads smokless tool, unplug the USB drive, and the tool will still be loaded. You can continue your work fine and save.
@@TECHOSAUR It was indeed the USB drive but this USB drive is working properly with other devices. I had to try 3 to find one working properly. For some reason a lot of USB drive and accessories aren't working properly with the Legion GO. i have constant connections/disconnections with my USB dock too it's really annoying.
@Daburademo, in the Legion Go BIOS, there's an option called enhanced external compatibility. Do u have it enabled ?
@@TECHOSAUR Yes, it doesn't make any difference unfortunatly. If i recall correctly this setting just rise the maximum current provided by the USB ports.
@Daburademo, there's a new BIOS release N32 that might fix the issue you're having. Otherwise, please write about it in the Legion community so the moderators can pass it on to the engineers for a potential fix in future updates. It's inconvenient that you are having issues with the lack of external accessory compatibility.
I just used your video for setting it up for 45 watt like you did.
Thank you for the helpful video!
I'm also using a Razor Core with a 4070ti super and my 3D Mark score was 20,824 GPU and 9406 CPU on time spy. Total score was 17,616...It says hardware monitor wasn't on so I can't save it?? It's not a contest and I'm not paying for 3D mark😂
I'm sure the eGPU helped😂 but I'm also now running CyberPunk 2077 at high settings a bit over 120fps without any issues!
Thanks man!
Stupid Hand Held Companion wouldn't open back up after verifying the wattage but I went into task manager and saw it was opened but hidden.... I'm not computer savvy so🤣 It fixed itself...
What overlay are you using? Legion Go overlay sucks and the 4070 one doesn't show CPU watt....😮
Thanks man
I use RivaTuner Statistics Server's overlay. It can use third-party monitoring tools like HWInfo, Afterburner, and AIDA64 to import sensors from external software. This way, you can see statistics from all of them, but it also has its own native sensors
@@TECHOSAUR 😎
I'll check that out, I'm more interested in temp, if it's consistently too high I'll back it down.
My FPS on 3D mark was about 53, guess it goes to show an eGPU helped. This mainly stays docked anyway.
Your doing great things!!🫡
Thank you
@@WilliamBrown-bg7vm Thanks
I have lots of things upcoming and I appreciate your support
There is no sense set TDP 45 , 50W , only 2,3 fps more ..
true but if you add losses scaling to it at this point, it would be insane 🔥
@@jamesikhimioya562 Losless Scaling will not do literally anything...
@@jamesikhimioya562 lossles scalling it doesn't give a good feeling..2x more fps but it doesnt fell like native 60 fps or more.
it’s not about the meanings but the allocation just look at the frequency of the cpu ，it perform like a monster eat any watts whatever you give with almostly same useness
yet again with another S tier video 🙏🏻🙂↔️.
with your ram video I was able to go from 7200 cl34-42-42-84-126 1.4v to
6400 cl28-37-37-30-67 1.485v
this made my pc even more stable !
specs - 4090 strix
7800x3d
6400 cl28-37-37-30-67
B650 aorus elite ax ice
Thanks to you & a few other folks on this platform I now have a solid bios ! ❤
it makes me happy to know that I helped make someone happier with their hard-earned stuff 🫶
Thanks @TechoSaur