The Best 3D Printer of 2022 got Stripped Down to make it Cheaper!
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- The BambuLab P1P is a cheaper version of their 2022 hyper printer, the X1 Carbon. They removed everything on their new machine, that cost money but wasn't necessary for its performance, and almost halved the price this way! I've got a unit right here and will compare the new P1P with the flagship!
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00:00 Introduction
00:58 BambuLab P1P
02:42 Differences
04:28 Is it a downgrade?
07:31 Customizability
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X1 Carbon, P1P or neither of them?
The X1C+ with larger build volume.
Carbon X1 Easily
Both
@@MetalheadAndNerd definitely... How they work through the rigidity problems Voron had to deal with going 350 build is gonna bring the cost way up or speed down. Dunno which
Build a Voron.
I'll eventually buy an X1C. I know a lot of people like to tinker with their 3d printers, but I don't. I use mine as a tool to make parts to tinker with or build other things, but I don't want to have to tinker with the printer. Having something that simply works and allows me to continue design work without having to stop and tune or monitor print progress would be a huge QoL improvement and also increase my productivity.
Exactly the same as I don't feel like tinkering with my laser printer when printing excell documents. A 3D printer should be properly calibrated to print at it's best out of the box.
That was THE reason for me to back the x1c, too.
@@dingdingdingdiiiiing your laser printer isn't a 3-axis CNC machine. If you want to make precision parts you need to setup the machine, that's just life. Even a $$$$$$ industrial CNC machine requires the operator to do calibration after delivery, or they'll send a technician to do it, because it has to be done on location after the machine has been put where it's going to be used. Don't tell me you've never owned or used a printer that left faint horizontal lines around the text, or random black speckles; at least on a 3d printer you have the capability of fixing it yourself instead of either chucking it or just living with the flaws like a dpcument printer.
@@tissuepaper9962 but it would be nice if that CNC didn't NEED to be setup by you or a technician and self-calibrated.... if 3d printers can get there, like the X1C then that's exactly what people really want. this is what made prusa good too. out of the box no tinker printing. i don't want to tinker with the printer either... i can and have but i rather not waste my time on it outside of swapping filament and removing the prints from the bed.
@@digibluh you can do automatic bed leveling with a cheap bolt-on touch probe and a firmware update, you don't need a $1200 Lidar-enabled printer to get a good first layer automatically. Squaring the axes is literally not possible to do automatically if you want the resulting mechanism to be small and stiff enough to be used for 3d printing, they're doing that at the factory and that level of precision can't survive shipping. There is a very good reason that industrial CNC machines don't automatically tram themselves; a real human being with an analog dial indicator does a better job.
An Ender3 is made entirely out of standard parts, it's the easiest thing in the world to repair or upgrade. The X1C is mostly custom parts, that alone completely nullifies the convenience factor because it's only convenient until you need to repair it and the only place to buy a part is bambulabs. Why not use a service like shapeways if all you're worried about is getting the part at the end? You're buying the MacBook of 3d printers, an unrepairable product-as-a-service that sells itself on the premise that it "just works".
I've been a MK3s owner for many years, and after upgrading it to the Revo ecosystem recently, it's still an extremely versatile and functional machine. I wasn't sold on the X1C until after they fulfilled their KS orders. Then I put in a preorder, and much to my surprise, the printer showed up at my door only a few days later. Having owned it for a week, I'll say that the hype is mostly justified, it does a lot of amazing things well. But there is one issue I should highlight: we've all been sold on the 17 min benchy, but you can't quite access that speed normally. Yes, that was the first print I did. And yes, my X1C really did indeed print a 17 min benchy with my own generic PLA filament. And yes, I just took it out of the box, hooked everything up, did the first boot calibration, fed in some filament, and it successfully printed that 17 min benchy. Truely as turnkey of a solution as I've ever seen. I never had to do any bed leveling or z-offset setting! Anyway, back to my peeve. So clearly the benchy shows me that yes, in fact the printer on my desk, using my filament is able to print about 5x faster than my MK3s. However, if I go into Bambuslicer, and slice the benchy, no matter what slicer tricks I try, I cannot get it lower than about 45 min. Which is still very fast, but it is not 17 min fast. For comparison, on my profile in Prusaslicer, the benchy is about 90 min. So 45 min is about 2x faster, but that's far from 5x. Sure I can turn on ludicrous mode, but even then I don't think it'll get to 17 min. I don't see any profile in Bambuslicer that says "ridiculous fast speedboat mode". Anyway, my point is, we were sold on the 17 min benchy, which it CAN do, but for some reason, as a X1C user, I am unable to access those speeds from Bambuslicer. That's a little bit annoying.
EDIT: it was pointed out the main difference between the 17 min benchy and my Generic PLA slice result in BambuSlicer is the max volumetric flow and max fan layer time setting. I can confirm that adjusting these to match the Bambu Basic PLA, and then using Ludicrous mode does in fact result in a 17 min benchy. Kudos to all those who helped with their tips!
That demo benchy was hand-sliced. Somebody at BL spent a lot of time tuning the slice layer by layer and probably even section by section to get the most possible speed out of it. Slicing software isn't capable of that level of precision and self-tweaking (yet). Yeah, it's disappointing if you thought that everything would print that fast, but that's marketing for you.
Swap it in the slicer from generic pla to bambu pla and it will be 17 mim bench again. Or abs and crank the speeds up. So far I'm stuck on a 12 min abs bench that's reasonable but I want a sub 10 min
Its the volumetric flow, set it to 22mm/sec or higher in the slicer.
as of now, mk3s or bambu labs?
@@mortalwombat5811 This sounds like nonsense. No way someone manually sliced it. More logically they probably shot up the accels and flow rates, which you can do in the slicer. Heck Ill do it right now and comment back on my success.
As an X1C owner, seeing this being wider available at a lower cost is excellent. The X1C is a beast and I expect the P1P will do well.
did you purchase some sort of kickstarter version? when i looked on their website 2 weeks ago it still was on pre-order
@@TheBPJo you can just purchase the pre-orer types. there is probably few containers on their way to the local warehouses. i got my printer exactly as promised, 2 months later after ordering the pre-order from their site!
@@TheBPJo i got mine a month ago with preorder i orderd in august.
@@TheBPJo yup, I was a kickstarter. Have had mine for a while now. Great machine and the AMS is excellent as well.
@Stefan they did give back to the open source community. Even Prusa noted it. They provided multiple build plate slicing/jobs and STEP support both of which Prusa is borrowing. Just like everyone adopted Arachne from Cura. Bambu is showing they are here to help the community as whole so far, let’s just hope they continue.
It's not like they made a pull request to Prusa Slicer though - the Prusa team picked it up themselves from the open sourced code. Nothing wrong with that, but it hardly counts as active involvement in the open source community.
That said, the accusation that Bambu Lab had ever violated license terms (now repeated by both Tom Sanladerer and CNC Kitchen) is wrong AFAIK and stems only from a complaint tweeted by Jo Prusa, back _before_ Bambu Lab was even distributing the slicer to customers.
@@henninghoefer doesn’t matter. They were distributing it to at least reviewers. And the GPL is quite strickt there.
You can basically do nothing unless you release the source. Even for internal tools or anything.
@@henninghoefer so what?
@@nukularpictures That's not correct, internal tools do not need their source to be released even if they use GPL components. And the source is not required to be publicly available either, it can be provided upon request. I don't know if anyone requested it and was denied, but it's now on GitHub, which seems perfectly reasonable.
@@gjsmo What you most likely mean by internal tools is "private software" and that is not what bamboo did. See the comment from nukularpictures.
"Internal tools" could mean a lot of course, but it is clear if there is code used directly or indirectly shipped to or used another legal entity it is not covered by private use. I am honestly a little bit surprised people even argue on that.
Of course most likely Bamboo did not do it on purpose and most likely it was just a small mistake that can happen - fair. But what Thomas and Stefan claims is simply true in this regard is definitely true and Bamboo them self even acknowledged IMHO, because otherwise they would not just have corrected the mistake without claiming they did it out of good will.
The fact that it's still able to use the multicolor printing upgrade makes it a winner for me.
Faster printing without making errors is also a win.
Still not in my budget until I do more work, but it's on my list for the future.
_I also want to get a resin printer for the more detailed/precision parts._
_I have a FLSun SR with a rebuilt hot end(because the default nozzles and break just didn't work)_
Thank you sooo much for holding these companies accountable in relation to the open source spirit!
Agreed
Only due to the Open Source spirit of Prusa, DUET, VORON and many others have we come to the point where we are today. If we want to continue seeing innovation, everyone needs to contribute who built on that work. A monopole doesn't help anyone long term and will kill innovation efforts if there isn't any competition anymore. This is what people and especially customers need to understand and I hope Bambulab will add their fair share!
@@CNCKitchen Do you know if they patented their lidar system?
agreed, when corporations stand on the shoulders of FOSS giants, it's important for them to give back, even if it's not strictly required.
I have the X1C (couple of them) and I like the idea of the P1P if it works about the same as the X1C - as far as fixing things on it, it is still unscrew and replace like most of the other machines on the market. I run my printers for my business so the less I have to tinker on my farm machines the better. I just keep extra parts on hand like I do with all of my printers. I'm in the process of building a pellet machine that will use the chopped up waste from the X1C to print large scale prints that will be painted. I would like a X1C with a build volume of at least 400x400 with speed close to what it is currently
excellent video 👏
you highlighted very well the differences between the two!
Great video Stefan!
Looking forward to the future of 3D printing!
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Looking as a great design
Great video as always
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂
A friend recently got the X1C. I saw it in action firsthand and was blown away. Having been using Creality machines for the past 1.75 years, these things blow them clean out of the water. So much that I will be ordering a P1P this week myself. While I really want an X1C, the P1P will be ideal for what I need it for and the money it will make will pay for the X1C even faster. The speed at which I can knock out projects is worth its weight in gold.
Im waiting on my X1 carbon, glad to see a more afordable version that more people can actually buy, Great video as always
Important to note that Bambu have confirmed that the Micro LiDAR calibration on the X1 series *is not* currently doing flow calibration (despite the name), it's *just* doing PA/LA calibration.
Can you elaborate on what that means, for newcomers? thanks
@@conodigrom pa/la means linear/pressure advance. They do the same thing just on Kliper/Marlin. The aim is to remove over/under extrusion at the start/end by gauging the width of the extrusion. They do nothing in the middle, nor the height.
If the LIDAR worked as promised it would do complete flow monitoring/adjustment the entire time, as it can measure the width and height of the extrusion in real time.
bought my first 3D printer yesterday. I am so excited.
I've been looking for a P1P vs X1 for a week now. Thanks for this extremely useful review.
Glad it was helpful!
fantastic video! Love the detail comparison. Might just have to get one of the P1P myself!
Hey really helpful video, as I'm finally looking at buying my first one but I just want a cheapie!
Have a great Sunday!
Purchased a P1P this week. Ready to give it a try after 2 Creality CR6SE machines, one a backer. The P1P is the Boxster to the GT2.
Thank you for this quick introductory review and I am looking forward to when you can do a proper in-depth review of this machine. Love your in-depth videos, Stefan!
Thanks, great you enjoyed it.
very good video, it helped me decide on the x1 carbon. Seems like a very reasonable entry point for firearm accessories
I think they are making the right moves and really pushing the bounds of the 3d printing market. I am probably going to go with the Carbon X1 because of my desire to print carbon filaments, but what a great option for those who are only using pla and the like. Very smart move. Now the one con, give us a usbc or an either-net port on the printers as an option to cloud printing ! I want to be able to use my machine locally and not have to use wifi (cloud), then these will be perfect as far as I'm concerned.
That is my biggest gripe, no way to hard wire to my computer. I hope they are reading the comments, as I'm really close to buying one or both of these machines. Cheers.
The stripped down model is nice however I’m more sold on the X1C. That really looks like a fully featured ready to go machine.
Thx dood. I’ve not seen any other channel mention the bushings on the lead screws for the P1P. Other tiny changes like a weaker tool head cable incompatible with cable chain (which was also removed) show how the P1P is not just stripped down but actually more economically built (lower quality).
Not complaining, it’s just worth mentioning so thanks for that!! (-8
I'd love one of these. As much as I've tinkered with my Ender 3 Pro, upgrading this or that piece on it, at the end of the day it would be nice to just have a printer that works out of the box and at a decent speed.
That’s awesome. Good thinking
As an Ender 3 Pro owner I have been very impressed with what I got for such a low price, I upgraded to a silent motherboard-essential IMHO. If I were to upgrade I’d want an enclosed bed and a bigger print area. I do print functional parts within the limitations of PLA but the fibre reinforced filaments look very tempting. So to sum up I’d buy the higher spec machine.
Dude I will never not use tmc2208 drivers again. pretty amazing that $60 can completely change how an ender 3 feels. Being able to use it a few feet away from me without even noticing it was a game changer
I'm more of a maker, than a tinkered. I also like the higher temperature materials that are available on the X1C out of the box. For MY needs, the X1C is my choice... I'm already saving for a second one.
That said, the P1P should have no problems filling in the niche that it is targeted at and has the potential to stretch a fair amount outside of that. If I was still more of a tinkerer, I would have jumped on the P1P in a heartbeat. I seriously considered buying a pre-order but after sleeping on it for a bit, decided that it was better to wait until I can get a 2nd X1C.
I think Bambu Labs have done themselves proud with the three machines - people like myself can get the speed advantage at a rock bottom price, anyone that needs a plug and play appliance for their home or office can have that, and the middle ground is also still covered. Thanks Stefan for the really good look at this printer. And now I have to start a new penny jar...
Yeah, give em a year until you have an expensive paperweight.
@@8BitLife69 a solid year later and they released a couple new banger products and is still supporting the x1c, p1p, p1s.
As with all your work, this is a great video; Ii's the best comparison of the two I've seen. I want to start a business (despite being new on the scene) and have been struggling for the last months working on printers 7x more than running them. I love them and like to work on them and learn a ton from them, but I want to print more. I started with inexpensive corexy's and just bought a zero-g that comes close to being a Voron. Though it has been a better experience, it has also kept me busy learning and screwing around more than printing.
I was going to rebuild/and upgrade the printers, but I am to the point I am going to sell them all and upgrade to either Vorons or Bambu labs. I saw your short discussion on the melt zone. I am still undecided. I like the idea of no more hassles, but am having trouble with the idea of not being able to quickly and cheaply get parts, or will I be able to fix problems on my own at all? I don't see any videos about problems and how to fix them yet.
Any more thoughts?
planning a comparison video soon?
Will you be at the Ruhr Maker Faire?
Greetings from Neustadt Weinstrasse!
Excellent video. Thanks
I would love to know about how effective the automatic pressure advance calibration of the X1C is. Its this printers biggest innovation but I actually haven't seen comparative tests, and have no idea how the memory for filaments work etc and i have one. It seems like the sort of thing that requires the type of testing I dont have the time or variety of filaments to test.
I'm mostly looking forward to the bigger bambu lab 3D printer, hoping they would release one!
I ordered a P1P yesterday. I could have easily afforded the X1C, but I actually prefer the P1P. I've already ordered custom cut polycarbonate, and am printing the parts in ABS for the vision enclosure. Beautiful magnetic panels easily removed when needed. The lidar is a gimmick, and doesn't even work on the build plates I will use. Couldn't care less about a touch screen, and the silver cover would be the first thing I would remove. I can't stand working in a cave, and I WILL be modding this thing. Also the extruder gears, and other mods are very reasonably priced, but I will be putting in my own LED lights, and camera system, thank you very much. Really looking forward to it.
X1C backer here and love the machine. And since for me 3D printing is more of a tool supporting my other hobbies than a hobby in and of it self, it suits me better than the p1p and my previous printers (Anycubic, Solidoodle…). But I’m happy they released it nevertheless-great for 3D printing enthusiasts and helps ensure bambulab‘s future both in general as well as in the more lowcost, hobbyist market! So what’s not to like about that?
I use the p1p for some weeks now, and i needed nothing to calibrate or change. Send a print to it, wait, done. For half the price it’s just amazing. And if i ever want to print abrasive stuff i get the hardened nozzle and one of the already available 3rd party enclosures (starting at around 50 bucks for an acrylic one) and have basically the same machine, except the lidar. For me the P1P canibalized the X1C, because that’s the one i originally planed to get 😁😉
I‘ve this printer in my watchlist since the first time I heard about it - I definitely gonna get the p1p
As an X1C owner there are some motion processing issues. Many people reporting vertical lines on outer faces. Not ringing. It’s a bug which no one on TH-cam seems to mention. As long as it gets fixed then id recommend the printer but until it does it’s not great when printing slower for quality.
After 18months of upgrades on my ender3, ( glass bed - BL touch - microswiss DD - PI with octopirnt then to kilpper) I now trust my self with a quality 3d printer just went and per ordered 1 of these bad boys
Feel like it’s missing a lot without the LiDAR/filament calibration. Biggest advantage to me is ease of use and no calibration on my end, I load my print and have very little to calibrate/slice
As someone new to 3D printing, I am happy this printer is at a lower price point. I already pre-ordered mine and I really hope they start shipping before the new year - but that is just me being incredibly excited. ;)
@Dev Guy Why? I have it and it's not that bad. We have it in a back bedroom and we don't even hear it really outside of that bedroom. =P
The P1P looks awesome! All these new innovations will encourage other companies to improve
especially Prusa
I bought the X1C because I wanted a printer that I didn't have to fiddle with to make work - I wanted something that I could just hit "go" on and walk away. Bambu has delivered on that. I also wanted to easily print ABS, and the X1C does that, too.
Something I didn't expect but am very pleased by is the way the X1C is super-accurate if you slow it down a little; I can run it at about half its default speeds, still be almost 50% faster than my Ender 5, and be *amazingly* mechanically accurate.
Is the P1P the same motion system? If it is, it seems like it would be a good choice for a first printer - for those of us who want a 3d printer to make our imaginations take physical form, rather than as a building project, anyway.
At some point (when I have more money) I'd like to get a very accurate, easy-to-use printer, put a 0.2mm nozzle on it, and be able to print really detailed things without having to deal with the toxicity of resin. A Voron 0 would be a good choice for that, but I'm not interested in building a printer, so - with the X1 being a similar out-of-pocket cost - I was leaning towards getting a second X1. Now that the P1P is available, it's moved up to the top of my "probably this one" list.
amazing printer, finally some meaningful innovation. I preordered x1c as I want to support them.
I have an X1 Carbon on pre-order, but when I saw this was impressed, so ordered one yesterday and paid the full price, so I should get it in January. I have no idea when my X1 will be ready or the Prusa XL which I have had on order since it was announced. They sound great, but are not shipping (yet)
Ended up getting the P1P, printing the armor for it now on my other printers. Shipping says 5 days in USA.
After a couple of months of P1P and it's awesome, the LAN only mode works well and should get better. Only regret is not getting the X1C.
Howdy Stefan. Ubiratã from Brasilia, Brazil here.
I have to say: I think the Bambulab P1P looks like an awesome product. Even though it lacks some of the outstanding features of the x1 carbon (like the lidar and automatic pressure advance and flow adjustment) it costs 500 USD less! That’s quite q lot of money!
Although it does not have side panels (which can be used easily custom made locally using policarbonate panels for example) it can still be used for some filaments like ABS (specially for parts not so big) due to its ludicrous speed. Depending on the kind of parts being printed there simply won’t be enough time for them to warp significantly. Still, as I mentioned, nothing keeps the user from getting locally made panels (cutting their own) so the printer can be properly isolated from air drafts.
It’s still a ridiculously fast printer (might even not be as fast as a Voron but enough for the majority of users) that manages to become readymade for (way) less money and work it would take to build a Voron 2.4 250x250x250. (Voron users might want my head for this remark LOL but the fact is that the majority of 3D Print users simple does not have the knowledge or even the will to go to the assembly process, even though a well built Voron is a hell of a printer).
Abrasive materials? I think it would be only a matter of ordering the hardened steel nozzle from Bambulabs itself.
My only personal problem with Bambulabs is that Brazil is not on their availability list. It it was , I’d be already on the pre-order for the P1P (or better, might have already sold a kidney for the x1 Carbon, LOL).
BTW, one thing I didn’t know that I found out through this specific video is that the AMS doesn’t need to be mounted on top of the printer, it can be mounted on the side (I didn’t know that until now). That’s perfect for me, as the Bambulabs printers (without the AMS on top) are a perfect fit (with a little slack for the moving parts) into my workspace (anything taller just won’t fit).
I hope Brazil becomes an availability for you! BTW - Bambu has released printable side panels (even in several patterns!), and the glass top and door are on their orderable parts page!
Cheers from the US.
I will buy the X1 Carbon because i want a reliable Printer.
working on printers is fun but if i need something it should work, because thats why you have a 3d printer
Hands down I'd go with the P1P, and customize as needed vs paying for all the factory upgrades. Although, I don't own either as I'm waiting to see what kind of reputation they build, their reliability, customer service and contributions to the community.
the lidar is one of the things you can't upgrade to on the P1P, if that's relevant to you. presumably some of the cost savings is in the processor.
When you next test a material could you also include the distance displaced in your loading graphs :)
If this had been released at the same time as the x1 I do not know for certain what I would have bought but I can say I am happy with my x1 carbon.
I did consider buying the p1p when it was released but I do not really need 2 of them as I have several other printers.
For me as I want to print other higher temperature filaments the carbon is better I suppose but if you are happy printing PLA only the p1p is a good buy.
Was thinking about updgrading my ender 3 printer and the p1p seems like a great option. Only drawback for me is the noise level because I have the printer in my room.
I backed the x1c with AMS. I love it, but after 4 months of use. I would go with the P1P. It's 90% of the of the X1C and the features it's missing I wouldn't mind not having.
Already pre order p1p, but same week I bought sovol 04 idex and the flv400.
Let's see what shakes out.
Loved the video Stefan and I'd love to get one of these printers but I need to pay the energy bills, feed the family and buy some other important stuff. Bottom-line still way too expensive for me.
❤ you hit my question X1 or P1P when I clicking on buy button. thanks for help… i choose X1 🙏 I would like know more about missing p1p calibration. is there in for example in manual
matter?😅
The P1P is such a good Printer for the price, i love that thing 😁 (PS: they just added a great way for manual flow calibration and a LAN mode, so you can use the wireless connection of the Printer without the cloud 😉👍 PPS: the optional camera supports timelaps if you want to use it, i suggest getting something like a Blink camera, or if you want a print failure /spaghetti control use an octopi with a webcam to watch over printer and to control it)
How is the removable plate? Odd it as good as the Prusa plates? Thanks for the review, did a great job!
It's never early for innovation. 100% will consider it as my main 3D printer.
Ordered p1p yesterday
"they had to cut some corners" while tracking across the missing corner mouldings as compared to the original. Nice work Stefan, nice work. Have they opensourced their lidar system? that is interesting, going to check now.
AFAIK they haven't - unfortunately. Maybe we see mor nozzlecams in the future that are able to do the same things.
We already have the spare harden steel extruder and 3-5 spare HS nozzles that Bambu gave us ($1 gift?). So this will be a perfect farm PLA machine that will output the same products of 3-4 bedslingers.
I understand every change they made from the X1C to the P1P...except the lower max temp for the bed heater. Bed heaters are rarely easy to upgrade/replace and with Bambu Labs' largely captive parts environment users are fully at their mercy when it comes to availability and pricing of a higher-end bed heater. If I were to spend $700 on a printer that has a nozzle capable of printing PC, I want a bed that is capable of doing so as well.
The parts availability/pricing problem is true for basically everything else on the printer, of course, and that gives me a little pause - despite the surprising success of their Kickstarter and the high ceiling for Bambu Labs as a company, all it takes is a few bad decisions for them to go out of business. If that were to happen, even a best case scenario where Prusa or another company buys up the IP doesn't guarantee that there won't be a ton of $1,500 doorstops out in the world. Bambu Labs will be artificially limiting their sales potential if they stick with a closed system, which is a shame given the exceptional features they've built into their printers.
It would also be real nice if they could cut down on the filament wasted by the purge system...I'm approaching the point where I can't imagine doing multi-color or -material printing without independent extruders, given the horrific amount of plastic wasted by purge loops and priming towers. It's not even so much the environmental impact of being unable to use all of that material, I just see a lot of money ending up in the trash (or in a shoebox that you promise to use with a filament recycler, as soon as you have the space and cash to afford one) that doesn't need to be there.
If I were to get something like this it would be for material option expansion, so I'd want to go with the X1C. I see the P1P as a goodove for the company though since there are probably lots of people who would want what it provides without having to pay the X1C pricetag.
A hardened hotend is around 40 bucks, depending where you live. Enclosures are starting at 50 bucks for acrylic ones, fittet to the P1P. So for half the price (+90 bucks) you’ve got basically all the capabilities of an X1C, except the lidar. That’s not a bad deal at all, especially if you start to print PLA and such at first. In fact i substituted ABS completely trough high temperature PLA, which is great on every machine, especially the P1P 😁👍
P1P + aux fan + hardened steel components. I'll close it myself with windshield sunshade multilayer material on a 3d printed minimal frame
9:12 that print looks so good
I kickstarted the X1C+AMS and love it. I have since got an Ender-3 S1 Plus and an Ender-5 S1. I ended up upgrading the S1 Plus to a Sonic Pad just to make it usable. what's the point of large prints if they take 7+ days? The 5 S1 is decent but comparing it to the P1P on price and features I never would have got it if I knew the P1P was coming out. I don't want to be proud of my printer. I want to be proud of what comes out of it and I can get great prints with almost no work out of the X1C. Starting my own little print farm I ended up pre-ordering 2 P1Ps because I want something that can just crank out PLA prints 24/7 without worrying about if I need to upgrade to the latest Klipper or whether I should swap out for that fancy new extruder I just heard about. All that stuff is great and if you want to build a printer and learn how it all works and tinker away, awesome, build a Voron. I just want to design and print stuff so Bambu Labs it is.
I got my x1 carbon 1 month after ordering regular :)
Thanks for comparison. I have ordered the P1P but may cancel and get the X1 carbon ?
Oh goodness, Stefan, I just ordered a P1P and now I'm second-guessing myself. I'm brand new at 3D printing and I was about to order the X1C but the lesser was announced. I hope I didn't make a mistake in cutting back!
Thank you for the honest review,
Stefani
They’re both the easiest to use machines and fastest (out of the box) on the market currently, so don’t worry too much.
@@morbus5726 and they'll break down in 2 weeks 🤣🤣
You'll be happy with the P1P as well, especially as a beginner. Hotend and extruder can be upgraded to hardened steel if you ever want to print re-inforced materials.
@CNC Kitchen Thank you for the reassurance and I'm glad to know that I can upgrade those items. I originally was planning on adding a few upgrades when I ordered but the black Friday order didn't allow me to add to the order. I wanted another color filament but I didn't know enough about what I could use with this machine...yes, I'm that new to this 😳
@@Fejszi have you had a bad experience with your x1c? Mine works lika beast 8 weeks in, printing almost non stop, haven't had any issues yet 🙂
First! No, ooops, too late. Great video! (Also without considering the boundary conditions you had)
It would be cool if you could replace the stepper motor drivers with Trinamic units
you could print different colored panels to customize it
The only drawback i see is the multicolor system. I hope they will realise a version with
Dual x extruders ( two extruders moving separatly along the x axis). Which will help avoiding all that purge.
Hey there! If I don't care about the budget, but I only print PLA and want the best reliability, which printer of these two should I choose?
Is the X1C better for purely PLA printing still?
Thanks for any help
hmm, I might have to look more into this
It would be very interesting to know what your thoughts are on enclosure. Do you think its possible to fully enclose the printer with help of precision cutted Dibond / HPL (sides / top) and a door with (printed) hinges and cutted out of Acryl / Plexiglas? Would be great if you could give your thoughts to help me with my decision. Thanks in advance!
Stefan please could you do a video flow test on the BCX1 with PLA, PETG, ABS etc. I would also like to see a cross section of the propriety nozzle, maybe there is CHT or similar technology in there... It is strange that they custom made everything and included LIDAR and vibration compensation but stunted it with a low flow rate? If it can't flow too well maybe an aftermarket nozzle would help. They should use the same technology as modern soldering irons rather than cartridge style heaters like older soldering irons used to use. That direct drive heating made soldering irons much much faster and more capable with less watts.
Personally I don't care about losing the enclosure, the high temp bed or nozzle but losing the camera and some of those other first layer perfecting features probably makes it a pass for me. At that point it's not much different than my prusa just a lot faster.
If I was going to buy a new printer I'd splurge for the carbon
Of course you don't care. You must be only printing decorative things in PLA.
@@alejandroperez5368 You must be new to the 3d printing community - so far you were more into communitys where it is normal to answer reasonable points with personal slurs.
@@zebarzebra nope, I've had the Ender 3 for years. Your comment only makes sense if you're printing only with PLA and PETG. But zero ABS or ASA parts ;)
@@alejandroperez5368 As an Ender 3 owner who seems to think highly of themselves I would have expected you to be aware that none of those features are required to print functional parts, partly because there are ways to get printers to print ASA/ABS without a built in enclosure (eg using an external enclosure as many Ender 3 owners do), and partly because PETG and PLA are perfectly serviceable as structural parts if used appropriately.
It does have a high temp nozzle, just not a hardened steel one.
I’m working on using the letter module from an Xbox connect to utilize the same system that the bamboo uses only completely open source talking to a couple programmer buddies to see if they want to help work on it
Cost summary
Description Price
Subtotal 659,00 €
Shipping (Germany) 9,00 €
Estimated taxes 126,92 €
Total EUR 794,92 €
Should also be mentioned at least once in the video, $699 is not the final price, practically nobody pays $699!
Important for Europeans, as we are used to seeing posted prices as final prices, i.e. tax included and not everyone immediately thinks as "American"...
822€ here in Italy. That was a pain, i've decided to wait for a well tuned version of the P1P, prolly around march 2023 or hoping that x1c will require a lower price...(actually around 1650€ in pre-order)
How are they supposed to show a "final price" including taxes in their advertisements when they sell internationally? Tax rates vary by country, are they supposed to list 186 different prices?
@@Hagop64 dear friend, everyone do it without crying, prusa does it also and I'm not their fan, i run on an Artillery actually
and it's Not in the advertisement we Are talking about their site also, logging in with a personal account
Finally! I have a few FDM printers, and a couple of resin ones. Having said that this is the FDM I have been looking for. And the price is most certainly right. And multi-material as well. Might just have to be part of my self-gifting holidays. Now this "OR" DLP resin...or this "AND" DLP resin? But wait what about the new headphone amp and DAC combo..........decisions, decisions. So many hobbies, so little time.
Both seem awesome and would love to own one some day 😁
Hi stefan, since you have prusa and bambu lab printers, could you do some strength test using those printers with default settings for each printer using the same filament? Because i have try printing an object with prusa using higher speed and the result is not as good as the slower speed. Many people only amaze with the bambu lab speed and print quality, but until now i haven't see or read any review about the strength test. I hope you can test it with your own method. Thanks
tbh if I had any money to begin with I'd totally go for the x1 carbon for sure
wow, so many flowers given by Stefan at this point ...
Maybe I'm more skeptical than some since I've been using an X1 Carbon for a few years: it's a Lenovo laptop. I'm typing on it right now. It seems odd that their flagship product shares a name with an established product!
Otherwise it will be interesting to hear when real production units get into the hands of a large set of regular users.
I heard a friend of mine told me that sometime the Bambu lab sometime warp
Great review as always! I am excited about new printers always. I have pre-ordered a Prusa XL at the very begging and not going to cancel. However I am sad that Prusa is lagging so long behind of the originally announced release. I was opting for Prusa XL because I need reliable and fast , if possible unnecessary waste less color printing. On other hand going to be honest Banboo is very interesting and most likely will try one later. However I have issue with companies which are sucking up all open source know how and spiting out a "revolutionary" product. It the country of origin this is a normal, unfortunately. Stealing others work and because of cheap manufacturing kill them. That the reason why I am trying to avoid products from that country. For me even mobile phones from those country are NO GO.
You are racist, comment from China
The western world is very good at packaging racism as so-called political correctness
The main question I have is: if you enclose it with side panels, will you be able to print ABS and Nylon at least?
Still prefer the X1 Carbon. Has a LIDAR sensor and mainly „just works“
Would it be possible to upgrade the print head that the machine is able to handle materials like Carbon? That would be a insane!
For the price the P1 has a lot to offer people who just want high speed printing with common filaments. The wait time and potential failure of long prints is a headache at home print speeds. The Carbon will be my pick when I get my next printer, unless a competitor can compete at a similar price with a better bed solution.
Good news, I think bambulab is really a game changer. I think a lot of company will suffer even big one like prusa.
Just ordered P1P, but in mean time, decided to download Bambu Slicer and practice on my Ender 3 V2 (the only Creality printer option in version 1.4.1). And to my pleasure, it is fantastic and the quality of print is better than what I was getting with Prusa Slicer OOB and faster. Two Questions: 1) How can I setup my Ender 5 Plus as a new printer in the slicer? 2. Is there a way to directly send the gcode to the Sonic Pad Moonraker/Fluidd interface? Both printers have SonicPads...
I would have preferred if they increased the price a little bit and kept the hardened extruder gears and nozzle.
Owww, genius idea.
Besides this model does not have Lidar, the same chassis can use almost the same settings done by you smart brother.
I don't think can completely rule out running fiber infused filaments for an occasional print. While the gears and nozzle aren't hardened they are still steel and won't get chewed up like other printers running brass parts.
i heard the X1 can print parts more acuratly then the p1p, so parts snap more neatly together, might be relevant for technical parts, I also heard the x1 prints parts so good that they are water leak proof, but that may be true for the p1p as well?