Frankenrifle (Australian International Arms) With 7.62x39 SAKO Ammo And Holosun 503 Red Dot At 300m
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- In preparation for this year's Lynx Brutality, organised by @PolenarTactical in Slovenia, Bloke put a Holosun 503 on his famous Australian International Arms M10A1 "Frankenrifle" in 7.62x39 (a modernized Lee-Enfield based rifle) and took it out to 300m with some unconscionably expensive SAKO ammunition and a Holosun 503 red dot to see what it would do (and how high he had to aim when zeroed at 50m... What happened?
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oh how ive missed Frankenrifle
I would LOVE to have a copy of Frankenrifle. Wish they were available in the US.
@@bumblebeebob the Vietnamese still make them, they don't seem to be sold anywhere really, but they're offered. You can see perfectly random Lee Enfields at arms shows the Vietnamese attend from time to time.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Thanks for that.
I have a full sized No4Mkl and love it. But something like this would be a handy little do-most-anything carbine.
"If it is stupid but works, it is not stupid!" I think this is a good example of that.
Words to live by
You're in OPEN division so i suggest you bring the bipod at least for the kasarda drill and remove it for other stages
I might just do that then!
@@BlokeontheRange we both need as much advantage as we can get 😅
@@PolenarTactical Ha! That's true! 🤣
I think people will be surprised to see me not middle-fingering. If the targets are like last year, there's nowhere I'd have middle-fingered. [insert dumb joke about pre-priming the area on Tinder here 😝]
The Frankenrifle video was the first one of your channel that I saw saw and what made me subscribe to the channel. Slava Frankenrifle.
Love the Frankenrifle! Just got myself an Enfield action the other day and hope to be able to shoot it that fast someday!
Build yourself some dummy rounds for dry training. It's how my friends and myself practise for the ANZAC day shoot. Great for muscle memory and keeps the bills down
1.8 MOA...that's better accuracy than any self loading AK, at least from what 9 Hole Reviews found out based on their testing with everything including a quite boujie Galil ACE.
I do wonder if a Valmet, especially some early series ones, could do something around that. The FDF apparently had very strict demands for accuracy, which is why things like chroming the barrels was not done because doing it in a way that would retain the accuracy was too expensive. FDF is shooting Lapua 7.62x39 during peace time, so probably semi-decent just like this SAKO ammunition.
Obviously, there's only so much you can do with semi-autos and an AK action, but Valmet/Sako and SIG-550 -series do prove that with good production quality you can make that system pretty accurate as well.
The 7.62x39 is a stupidly precise cartridge out a bolt gun. My CZ 527 in that caliber regularly shoots surplus steel-cased ammo to 2moa. That Sako ammo was not as impressive as I had hoped.
The thing is that a cartridge is just an arbitrary-shaped volume to hold a particular bullet. There's no real magic there provided it's not excessively big or too small to drive the bullet you want at the speed you want.
Cartridge case shape does in fact have a part to play in accuracy, specifically from powder burn and gas flow. Straighter walls, case wall depth, primer pocket depth to cade head web thickeness, shoulder angle all play into powder burn concentricity and brass neck flow. This is why rounds like the 6mm ppc, 7mm BR, WSM/WSSM and PO ackley cartridges are more easy to make accurate than their conventionaly shaped gently angled bottle neck cousins. It is also why straight wall cartridges, especially long (over 2.4") ones, are difficult to extract good accuracy out of. The long narrow powder column has to burn in a different volumetric and time phased release often resulting in less consistent pressure at the bullet base than a wider case body flowing into a smaller caliber neck.
Frankenrifle fanclub unite! Now with a red dot! Which seems to make it less comically fuddy and more renormalizing it to whatever life it had before this awesome experiment.
The first video of yours I ever saw was the Frankenrifle before I bought my first gun. Jeez to think that was 7 years ago.
Glad to see Frankenrifle is doing healthy and got an upgrade. Best of luck at the match! I did my first match ever last week with pistols and it was so much fun.
We must also keep in mind that the machine is only as good as the man who operates it. Nice shooting Bloke!
I cannot wait to watch the videos that come out of this challenge. Thank god for good friends who will insane and semi-stupid ideas over drinks and then go through with it whilst filming for the entertainment of us all.
Nice result. Thank for this video.
Good to see that mutt again. The closest that I could come to it is a CZ 527 in 7.62x39. VERY underrated cartridge hobbled by the AK's less than stellar precision. Now that Hornady is making a 255gr subsonic load for it, the future's so bright I gotta wear shades.
I tried to buy one 12 years ago, but they were already out of stock with the German importer. Ended up later with a real No. 4 Mk. 1 in .303 and a SKS in 7,62x39
Good video Bloke, and as always the quality of ammunition will bring out the best in your rifle, there is a large gap between plinking ammo and premium target grade.
Always loved the look of the A.I.A's but they had such a bad reputation down here i never bought one, Kinda wish i did now, great vid.
The 7.62x39 barrels were crap and were badly breeched-up, unfortunately. The 308's apparently were rather better in that regard.
enjoying my AIA m10a2 in x39, will have to try and find some Sako 123fmjs once they are back in stock in AUS
Red dots are fine at 300m when you “can see the target”, magnification is a must when it comes to using a rifle in a practical application.
Wonder if Ians going to run a Yugo SKS as a straight pull (with the gas cut off engaged) then.
I think Ian will run the Perun X16 from Tinck arms
Mike, if you have more of that Sako 7.62x39, I think this deserves a retest with an LPVO.
Awesome , I love the modifications ! 200m zero works well (20m zero). Less drop at 300m.
Good luck on your stages :)
Mayor Fuglycool
Just awesome!
7.62x39 can be very accurate. I found that out out when i reloaded some with good bullets shot from an AK. The last AK i built i used the FN CHF barrel I got from Palmetto. Good barrel good ammo,funny how that works. Problem is most shoot bad ammo out of not so good barrels and an AK is not free floated. My next gun i wanted a 7.62x39 bolt gun to see how accurate it could be. You just showed us. The only limitation is range. Prob a 300yd and in gun. But we have always known that about the AK.
With the CZ 527 out of production, the Ruger American in that caliber is about all you can find in the US. Not a bad gun at all, though I think the CZ has a better barrel.
Good going with a Red dot
I believe this rifle needs to find its way to 9 hole reviews…
Sako is in my experience always good ammunition, and good ammunition can make a huge difference to a rifle
This beautiful machine makes me want to do something similar with a small ring mauser action.
2016 seems, simultaneously, only a brief while ago, and ages ago, all at once. Should have run the old bullet-hole intro at the end 🙂
Nice shooting - well done sir!
Frankenrifle deserves a quality optic like an Amazon airsoft red/green dot/laser/scope combo from an unknown Chinese company. Holosun? Way too “bougie” for Frankenrifle. Keep it real!
I've recently fitted a L39 butt stock to my AIA M10 and adapted the magwell to take Magpul AK magazines. Unfortunately I can't get any 7.62x39 in the UK for love or money right now 😢
Too bad. European 7.62x39 is still plentiful in the US but whether that will be so if the Ukraine war goes on is above my pay grade. So I'm stacking as much Lapua, PPU, Igman, S&B and Belom reloadable 7.62x39 as I can get.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 PPU is normally available in the UK, S&B too a lesser extent. I've reloaded with Lapua when available. I think our main problem is that it's not a common caliber in the UK so it's low on the priority for importers.
What a neat rifle! I'm assuming there's nobody else making modern Lee Enfield actions?
Get a receiver, make your own. In canada empty receivers are not hard to find, nor are sporterized (cut down cut up drilled etc) guns.
@@matthewspeller if only I lived in a place where such things were possible.
Gah. I do actually want one of these. I was stupid to be scornful all those years ago
Damn, I thought I was the only MadLad :)
Very cool.
Hope you will make it!
Me: I need a bolt action 7.62x39!
Also Me: Just shoot your Saiga more and practice fundamentals.
Mg ammo is good to hit well 300-500 range. kvkk 62
With kvkk it is accuracy by volume. Such heavy gun and just 7.62x39 even with that
high firerate it is nice gun to shoot if it doesnt stop by malfunction which that gun
is infamous.
But im willing to give that much of slack to least agree that decades old machines
used by conscripts will worn out any machinery to not run like engineer intended.
And least that example what i used in that training day and after training just
ammo dumping to targets run perfectly fine whitout single malfunction.
Even with multiple belts with just tracer rounds.
Least it looked amazing when daylight was almost out when you didnt need
sights at all. Just whipped those targets what looked like
red snake whirling around.
Fun looking rifle!
you should try some lapua 7.62x39 even more expensive. really hurt my wallet last year when lapua was only 7.62x39 for sale.
In my knowledge Lapua stopped making 7.62x39 least for commercial market in while.
But i guess they started printing them in smaller patches again in last year for some unknown reasons.
Least in Finland i can find Lapua made stuff in sale. It was totally out of order in while before
it started to appear again in shelfs.
But lets be honest all reservist/competion shooters who have any other than Valmet/Sako made
rifle will shoot cheapest shit you have in store.
And unfortunately Lapua being closer to 2e at round is definition not cheap.
Funny thing to have so little market for such good quality ammo in their homeland.
Kind of strange to Sako or Tikka never release non semi-automatic rifle in that caliber
where its accuraty potential could actually be used by quality ammo.
Bit of missed opportunity in my mind.
Impressive - simply that. Too bad that the manufacture went out of business and hasn't produced a ton of these.
It's a complete rebarrel though, as delivered it was a bit crap...
You can shoot it, can't you bloke ;-)
Very nice
Sako❤+, Lapua are maker’s in 🇫🇮
I want to know more about this rifle.
See the link in the description
The optic choice is far too practical. Needs something like a 3x prism sight with a flippable 3x magnifier.
Excellent....Frankenrifle..... 39 is fine to 300
Was that Sako ammo as expensive as the Lapua 7.62x39 I spent $63.88 on when Lapua still produced it?
Imagine getting issued that for LMG use 😊
When it comes to ammo quality and pricing Sako is definition of valid option where you want best bang for your buck.
Sako is cheaper option if you still want good quality but are not willing to pay 1.5x more for extra precision what Lapua
offers.
And like Petri already said imagine couple lmg belts loaded with Lapua fmj and you just
had to make them disappear because those were already marked as used in training.
And if that was not enough wastefull then imagine couple extra belts loaded with just
Lapua made tracer rounds because somene ordered couple boxes too many of them.
Well least i had fun to make them disappear while it was getting dark.
And someone spend rest of evening while cleaning that gun.😆
Nice, now do it again without the bipod. 🙂
I'm glad he said there was little recoil. I wondered if it had been edited out.
Really wished something like this was available in the states. Oh well maybe if i can find a lee Enfield action in poor condition
A Remington 788 or older CZ action would be a good substitute.
@@richardsveum8452 thank you for bringing the Remington 788 into my attention. Never heard of them until now but it's perfect
The CZ 527 is effectively a shrunken Mauser - I think it even replicates the "controlled feed" of a Mauser 98 action - and it's available in 7.62x39. Ruger also makes the American Ranch, which is also available in 7.62x39. And since it uses Mini-30 magazines, there are 20 and 30 rounders available (though they're admittedly not as smooth as what Bloke showed off here).
Ruger American is a worthy rifle. You can even get a mag-well to take AK magazines.
Anyone else hear the sound of beard stubble rubbing against the stock? A bit distracted by this was the mic close to the gun ?
It always ends up on my collar, cos otherwise it picks up too much gun noise, people talking in the background etc.
Work requirement? The internet tells us showing up for work is optional in Europe.
Only thing I question is the optic placement.
I don't subscribe to the fashionable idea that a red dot should be miles away. I like to see as much of the world through it as possible.
@@BlokeontheRange you know that if you mount it to about where you'd mount an IEO the casing on most modern red dots, holosuns included, actually blurs out when you target focus allowing you to have a near unobstructed FOV? Right? It sounds strange but it is a legitimate thing. I run a red dot on my airshit setup in that IEO position and the casing goes away when I'm actually focusing on my surroundings and other players. Like my brain just doesn't register it. Same happens when I go hunting with my old 2.5x Classics Series IEO, it almost seems like a little 2.5x portal sitting above my SKS' barrel.
@@BlokeontheRange i never understood that, i also prefer my reddots close to the eye
Phagan too. But the number of comments I get telling me I'm doing it wrong by putting it as close as possible is quite amazing...
@@BlokeontheRange oh, I didn't mean to say you were doing it wrong. Everyone has their preference, and it's your rifle at the end of the day. I just found it a curious thing, you don't see many people doing it, especially not with smallish red dots like that.
So wait they took surplus No4, and put a 76239 barrel on it? That poor thing ...
No they didn't. See link in the description.
@@BlokeontheRange I might be more confused that they took an 1800s action and modernized it, but then again cursory searching, Mauser stills sells 98s for 13k, so I guess it's a if you make it someone will want it situation
Mauser 98's are the boomer fudd rifles of the rifle world... Most of what Mauser produces now is modern multi-lug stuff.
I'm not suggesting that you can turn 7.62x39 into something it's not and this is only something you can do if single loading rounds with a bolt action but have you ever tried hand loading 7.62x39 with a longer projectile to see if accuracy potential improves?
That rifle, with 130gn SMK's at 100m, shoots consistently into half a MOA (5 round groups) with a scope.
@@BlokeontheRange Does it suffer much beyond 300?
Not had the opportunity to shoot it beyond 300 cos we don't have the ranges here.
@@BlokeontheRange That's my UK bias showing as basically every gallery range I have ever been on is MOD owned and has at least 600m.
Just out of curiosity if finding a discipline for this was possible and evading some BS...was an Enfield ever converted to 7.62x39 as a training rifle or where they already had the ammo?
Not to my knowledge, no...
Tidy group!
A lee action on a short cartridge like that has the potential to be very slick. I mean it's ugly. But I want one
Action throw is the same though, it's not reduced.
@Bloke on the Range Drat. I think the idea has potential, though expensive. The economics of making one would be prohibitive. But it would be a cool toy
I mean, you can do the No.8 solution and have the barrel extend back down the boltway, shorten the bolt and re-fit the head. Expensive way to save less than an inch on the bolt throw.
What an idiot for not getting at least one of those back in the day😣
Has 7.62x39mm ammo been harder to get in Europe thanks to the war? It's not been on the shelves in the USA almost at all.
@@kellyharbeson18 Yeah, I know it's out there but... paying that much for x39 kind of hurts my heart.
Barnaul has dried up completely, as you might expect. Other brands are available, including the Kyrgyzstani stuff which is the cheapest in Switzerland right now.
@@kellyharbeson18 You're scoffing at the tripling of the price of a caliber, like that just comes with the territory?
@@kellyharbeson18 As have I (and anyone else who's more than a year old). Not sure if you have a point; are you just taking your anger out on me?
@@kellyharbeson18 I truly hope that you're able to overcome whatever is in your life right now that is making you so caustic and angry.
Neat
Salty
Are guns and extremely offensive taboo and sensitive topic over in Switzerland, like they are here in Australia here in Australia, everyone thinks people who want guns want to go on mass shootings
No, not at all, due to the militia system.
@@BlokeontheRange good to see people aren’t lobotomized over there as an Australian is it possible for me to move there and get a full auto license?
Get a job, move here, move to a canton which is easy on the full auto, stay here long enough to get permanent residency (or if they'll accept an Aussie licence that you'll have to keep active) and then yes.
@@BlokeontheRange 💯 what did Swiss people think about what happened in Serbia?
i really like stuff like this, the gun is awesome!
🥳