I love quality in budget. I want the best, but I am realistic. I have no plans to be the next guy in a nightvision raid in some sandbox in the middle east, and I'm sure all the nightvision I'll need in the near future will be measured in lumens and candela.
Holosun has done excellent in giving the gun community the best budget options hands down. I do still believe the high $cost$ red dots are worth investing in....at least one for a primary fighting rifle, just like it may be a good idea everyone own at least one revolver, or one Glock no matter if you like them or not.
Great review. One other important consideration for some is the combat aspect. Eotech is superior for rugged environments due to it being tried and true in combat and that it can operate even if the glass is broken. This is unlikely for most but it does offer some comfort to those fielding it in extremely austere environments. Eotech is very expensive and I think most users will prefer the holosun. I do dislike the fuzziness that eotech has on very bright settings but as a former combat infantryman I can recommend that all optics should be fired on their lowest brightness setting where the optic is visible otherwise you’re increasing moa thereby reducing accuracy. That is true for all optics. The brighter the reticle the bigger the dot and less precision. The auto on feature is pretty cool also. The optic will always be in the move in tactical environments but long battery life makes it okay. If I grab my weapon the sight comes on. Pretty cool. Hopefully eotech will go that route as well. I do love the solar panel for no battery operation. It would be interesting to know whether or not holosun has configured it to only use battery when in low light pulling from solar first. For military applications batteries are a limitless supply and frequently replaced. For civilians that becomes a huge expense. I imagine that holosun uses solar first and that’s the reason for extreme battery longevity. Additionally you could pack more batteries with less space for holosun. If holosun solar is damaged or the glass is broken users may encounter big problems. Eotech is extremely rugged and ensures that the worst of situations can be prevented. Their engineering is centered around military operations. I might have purchased holosun if I had seen this review first. I just know eotech can take one hell of a beating and maintain zero and is well trusted amongst the most elite fighting forces of the us military. I’ll have to look into magnifiers options for holosun. Maybe I’ll pick it up as well. Great review!!!! Thanks for this.
The Holosun solar panel runs the optic whenever possible and the battery runs it when solar isn't available. The battery life is only including the battery's life, not in conjunction with solar. I should also mention the "hood" that goes around the optic is titanium and only connects at the base so energy from a hard hit does not transfer through the glass.
I just got an EXPS3 after my EXPS2 of 10 years got so dim i couldn't see the reticle in bright daylight. Even with that said, the EXPS2 still turns on. EOTech all the way!!!
I know a couple of operators and they both pooh poohed the eotech saying the preferred the T2. I was surprised about that. I have been around long enough to know your first thought is probably too question my references, but I'd rather hear what you have to say about the Aimpoint T2 if you've ever used it.
@@michaelmappin4425 I know your question wasn't directed towards me, but if I may offer an opinion: I am not an operator, but I do own a T2 and an EXPS3. I prefer my EOTech simply because it rocks at CQB and even out to mid-range distances, is built like a tank, has a large FOV, the reticle is awesome, and it looks/works great using NODS. I was really dismayed when I got my brand new T2 and discovered that in order to see it in bright daylight I have to crank it all the way up to settings 10, 11, or 12. Apparently the new ones are not as bright as the old ones from everything I've read on ar15.com. However, even with that being said, my philosophy has always been get what works best for you and train with it a lot in order to become proficient...and carry spare batteries regardless of battery life.
@@Knight_of_the_Old_Code awesome reply. Thank you very much. My research has had me leaning toward the EOtech but I was really thrown for a loop when I asked the pros. I'm not likely going to sweep any houses or go after a high value target but I do want good stuff if it's ever needed.
The Holosun 512 is the new enclosed version, it has the same dot/circle reticle options battery life etc. The advantage of being enclosed means the emitter cant get obscured by rain,snow mud or whatever. It also has the solar option too....There is also a titanium version that is extremely strong.
Some people just really like the military novelty the EOtech has,, even if it would never come close to the amount of abuse it can handle. Theyll definitely get the battery life experience though.
FYI: If you have Astigmatism the eotech reticle will be kinda blurry without your glasses but the holosun will be perfectly clear without glasses. I own both
Ditto. I tried the EOtech in the store and it was fuzzy. All other red dots had mini starbursts. Haven't tried the Holosun, but purchased it online and will see.
I third this. Also own both an Eotech & Holosun. Because of my eyes, the 1 Eotech quietly rests in its box and the 8 Holosuns are on the rifles. The reticle and red dot are clear AF.
Just added the Holosun on my BCM 9" 300 blk out and absolutely love it ....If I didnt already have an Aimpoint compm5 on my 11.5 I would throw one on there too ...
I guess if you've already spent $20k on night vision an extra $350 on the optic is trivial. Meanwhile if you don't have night vision, like most people, you get to save $200. Great review!
@@carbonslice8160 yeah, of course you could spend 40-50k on Panos. But my white phosphorous pvs14 came with IR laser, mount and bump helmet and I paid jussst over 3 grand.
Holoson is a decent red dot no doubt. Lots to like about them, especially when they first came out. They were affordable and for the most part pretty dependable. For $120.00 it was well worth it. Fast foward to 2021, Holoson is pushing $300.00 or more, where as EOTECH is still $450.00 for a 512. If I'm in my yard shooting targets, either is fine. If I'm shooting to defend myself..EOTECH is my GO TO optic.
Just discovered your channel and your information mixed with your humor has earned you a new subscriber. I’ll be picking up the Holosun thanks to your video. I cannot justify the cost especially if the largest complaint about Holosun night vision would be solved by removing the 6moa ring and just running the dot. I’d be very interested to see the Holosun with the Streamlight TLR VLR2. Otherwise, VERY good stuff!
The superior battery life & the auto-on off features of the Holosun are HUGE factors, easily the most important considerations IMHO --- If the sight fails due to battery life, none of the features matter one bit.
You can stick a cr123/aa's in your pistol grip or butt stock. It turns off by itself after 4 or 8 hours and last continuously on for over a month, the reticle even flashes when its low. The cr123 batteries will last a whole year even with passive drain, you'd have to have it on 1 to 2 hours a day to go through it in a year. That said, you do see police body cameras of guys forgetting to turn on their eotechs all the time, but they are cops so they fuck up a lot anyways.
@Alan Ashby agreed. Most people buying either of these sights are going to be dead from lack of meds before their sight goes out if their apocalypse fantasies actually happens.
I wonder how much the green dot version would affect the night vision. Also would of like to have seen the holoson with the dot only in the night vision
Getting back to you guys 10 months later. Just bought a Windam SRC and a Eotech 512 got an amazing deal. This has been amazing for outdoor shooting and classes. You can pick out the reticle much quicker. I have also found the Eotech has a higher level of accuracy. I get it the battery power is not as good but overall it is a better optic. I you are just shooting at an indoor range however the 510 c will suffice.
Great job with the review! I lean towards the Holosun because of the price difference and I don't really have need for nigh vison. I know you were reviewing them for a rifle but I'd like to see how they handle the pounding of being on a semi-auto pistol such as a .45
These would be a bit big on a .45 pistol, considering they weigh over 8 ounces. Going with a smaller RMR-sized reflex pistol sight would be more appropriate, as they function similar to the Holosun in this video but only weigh just over 1 ounce.
I like the Holosun. I’m 41,It’s not like my old Marine ass is fighting much more than paper targets nowadays 😂. However, when I spend big, I like Meopta or Meprolight. I think EO makes a damn nice product, but it’s image is too grainy for me. That’s personal, not a knock on its quality.
Honestly this video is what sold me on a holosun. I have a exps and was debating between another or go to holosun. Now I'm thinking of getting a second! (Mainly for regular use. Non night vision. Wasn't looking at that aspect for me personally)
The U.S. Military Forced A Recall Of The 500 Series Range EOTech For Major Malfunctioning Via Not Performing Per Both Hot & Cold Temperature Specifications!
@@dan0alda568 I have both the holosun and an xps2-0. The holosun sits on my 6.8 power on 24/7. Think I've changed the battery once in the past 3 years. Now it does auto off after a bit and auto on with any motion, but the battery life is outstanding in it.
@@michaelmignone5869 I couldn’t care less. That battery life argument is pure hilarity. I’ve got a 1200 dollar optic riding on a 3k weapon. A set of AAs (I have the HHS3)is a drop in the bucket, to say nothing of ammo. They didn’t come up with that tech on their own, they have taken from this and that and made a good product, I won’t deny it. But when you take others tech and have it built at slave wages I would hope you would come in at a low price point. So lets copy Aimpoint’s LED circuit, Trijicon’s shock chassis and come in at 1/2 the price. I am by no means all American, I have an Elcan, Aimpoint, a Japanese Vortex, Nightforce, and Zeiss etc. But the Chinese government is despicable, and any money I can deny them, I will. I won’t tell another man how to spend his coin, if you are good with it, play on player. Look at all you’ll save on batteries.
Thank you for that...I was looking for someone that would say something like this...I was wondering if the Holosun could take the pounding of a AK SBR...Andy issues after your post!
@@enigmatic51me95 I’ve actually kept the holosun on the zpap to this day and it still works 😭😭 just make sure your threads are tight and it’s still good to go 👍👍I have astigmatism so I can see holosuns reticle away clearer then the eotech on my ar
One word not mentioned in the video... parallax. The Eotech, as a HWS, has essentially zero parallax compared to the Holosun reticle. And then put a 3x magnifier in front of both on it to try to hit a 10 inch circle out to 300 yards and parallax error of 5-10 MOA on the Holosun means missing the target even with good elevation hold-overs (like on the Eotech XPS 3-4 or 3-2).
Just bought an EXPS3 to replace my old EXPS2 and sold my 510C. I had that EXPS2 for 10+ years and the ONLY issue I had with it was that the reticle got so dim I couldn't see it in bright daylight. Again, that was after roughly after 10+ years of use...
The halosun is really good got it for $275 new . It's water proof , 50,000 hr / 20,000 on high. So like 2.5 years left on . I put it on my ar15 that shoots 762x39 ammo. And the eotech with 3x magnificent will go on my daniel defence ddm4 v7 I just got !!!
Love the 510c. I was surprised that I'm faster and more accurate with it than a red dot. Wanted the Eotech but with my old eyes the reticle is almost useless without my glasses on while the Holosun is far clearer. If I was 30 I would probably like the Eotech more. Ended up with two 510c but do have other optics with etched reticles if needed too.
You are not supposed to focus on the eotech reticle. If you focus on the target like you should the eotech is just as crisp. Just FYI. Took me getting used to as well.
Dude ! Your edits are fire ! First off the lego idea for scaling 200 iq and the Simpsons clip @ 6:03 had me laughing and made me post this comment ;p keep up the good work !
Eotech can take some drops and bumps. Also, the Eotech emitters can’t be blocked by mud or debris. Eotech’s dot won’t magnify under a magnifier like a red dot. You’re paying more for Eotech’s proven ruggedness, but both are great options for civilians. Holosun and Eotech are great for my astigmatism.
The non magnifying of Eotech is a myth. It's not black voodoo science. A magnifier magnifies both just the same. But also magnifies the surrounding too.
Thanks for the review. I’m looking at both, except Eotech xpslmnop-2.3149er. I honestly just kind of want to be cool and have an Eotech, but I’m glad the Holosun will hold up as well.
well you missed your opportunity, why you didnt try the holo with the dot only in nv mode? if thats possible, i would assume way less bloom to be presented.
They’re both great. The eotech is hands down better and has been proven in battlefields. The thing is that I don’t need those areas of better. I don’t use NV nor do I plan on being shot at. The holosun is better in other areas that suit my needs. I want long battery life, small package, crisp reticle (I have an astigmatism), solar power, lightweight, and shake n wake, baby. I just tested a 507k, which I plan on getting for my p365, and that reticle was so crispy that I thought they deep fried it lol. I personally thought that all reticles would look like crap to me since my two sig sauer red dots look like trash compared to the holosun. Turns out that sig sauer is just trash when it comes to reticle quality with my eyes. I love sig but their red dots don’t play nice with an astigmatism. Both my Romeo 5 and Romeo zero look like stars (they look okay outside in the sun though). Holosun is putting out some good shit lately that’s giving eotech a run for their money. Yes I know eotech is better but they might need to hit the drawing board soon.
Some additional things I believe the Eotech has over the holosun are 1) if the glass breaks it still works 2) The center dot stays 1 MOA when magnified, shooting out farther is easier, because the dot doesn’t cover the target. 3x on a 2 MOA holosun is now a 6 MOA dot. 3) holographic has little parallax, so if you do use nods there is some flexibility on eye positions. LED’s typically are not parallax free although holosun seems to imply it maybe is on this optic.
It's entirely possible my brain is too simple to understand the magnified 1 MOA thing but I honestly don't. At 1x the dot has a size, which is roughly 1 inch at 100 yards. At 3x the dot has the same size relative to the target, and will appear roughly 3x bigger through the magnifier. The same applies for 2 MOA dot. 1x3 = 3, not 1. I actually did the Lego figure thing to see this for myself. It's not clear to me that the EOTech dot looks much smaller magnified.
@@TacticalAccountants I watched a shot show eotech booth explanation of the dot. What they said was the dot is actually smaller than 1 MOA, but the human brain eye can only see down to 1 MOA. So magnified it’s still 1 MOA. I will see if I can find it...
So, get the Eotech if you want to shoot 6” tall Christmas ornaments with night vision. 👍 p.s. how ‘bout that awesome eotech battery life and having to manually turn it on ;) Thank you for taking the time to do this review, it was one of the better comparisons I have seen of these two optics.
The new ones have 1,000 hours of battery life with 4 or 8 hour auto off functions. If you did the 8-hour function everyday, you'd have roughly 120 hours of battery life
I own both. Both are great optics and just fine for home defense. Wouldn’t trust a holosun in a war zone scenario but the likelihood my house would turn into a war zone during a home invasion is slim to none so the eotech is definitely overkill if you are a man on a budget.
@@m.687 not enough battery life? Holosun is rated the exact same as the LCO. It also has solar backup. And a good rule of thumb is to just change batteries every year regardless so battery life should be a moot point if you care about training and maintenance of your equipment.
@@JonDoe-gr2np I was referring to the eotech. I've since switched to a T2 after realizing that if an LCO is in a car, it won't auto shut off and the battery life is significantly less.
@@moserjones7563 I do pay attention. That’s why I don’t live in a big metropolitan area. China and Russia won’t be making war in the mountains in the middle of nowhere.
I would have liked to see what just the dot mode looks like under NVG on the holosun. I feel like with the 2 moa dot I would prefer to just run the dot over the "holographic" reticle.
Technically 🤓 they have nothing in common apart of looking the same and being used for the same purpose. Entirely different technologies. Holosun is just an open emitter red dot, just like the ones on pistols, but larger. EOTech is a holographic sight. It's like comparing apples to oranges, cars to bikes etc. Doesn't mean either is good or bad. It's just, get what you need depending on your goals. Nice review! I enjoyed it! Nerd 🤓 out!
I own 3 Holosun’s and they work flawlessly. 508T on a shotgun, 507K on a G43X mos, and a 510C paired with an HM3X on an AR pistol. I’d choose Holosun over EOTech any day. American made has become a sales pitch in order to gouge consumers. Sorry, I don’t get patriotic over a company looking to increase profit margins. These companies very rarely innovate......just release minor updates to outdated designs
I have a couple XPS2-0s and recently picked up a 510c in red. The 510c lives on an indoor home defense rig, due to its open emitter design. I just don't like how easy it is to block the emitter in the field rendering it useless untill it's cleaned out. The XPS-2, on the other hand, easily overcomes field grime with it's sealed system. Simply wipe off the glass and your back in business. Just my 2 cents.
Try wearing night vision googles then getting down on your rifle to get a good sight picture through your Eotech, not impossible but not that easy either, but it is easy to just use a IR laser.
couple of points. The Holosun performs better in NVG environment with just the dot. it removes a lot of the bloom. secondly, the 1MOA of the Eotech doesnt come into its own until you are magnifying targets beyond 100 yards. at 200+ yards, the 2moa of the holosun is covering and obscuring the entire target. finally, the EOtech optic will still operated should the front lense of the unit get damaged or broken since it doesnt require the optic to reflect off of it. Thats why you see so many airsofters with that little plastic shield in front of their optic. one errant 6mm bb and that 400 dollar optic is now a paperweight.
I think that the night vision mode would be more effective with a Black Reticle. Using any color but black is counterproductive IMHO. The Black Reticle for bright sun or snow conditions would better also.
Strictly speaking on Night Vision performance here. I was pleasantly surprised that the 510c performed nearly as well just using the single dot reticle, if not a little better, in certain areas than the Eotech. No blooming or distortion of the reticle. Where the 510c beats Eotech is the housing profile. The reticle truly looks like a dot floating in space since the housing is almost completely blurred out. Can't say the same for the Eotech, as its housing is very noticeable under Night Vision. The glass clarity is negligible in near pitch black environments and only improves with more ambient light. Where the 510c falters is glass warpage, whereas the Eotech virtually has none. If that's more important to you, then I understand why you'd pick the Eotech over the Holosun. All in all, from my personal experience, the 510c is an excellent alternative for NV use.
I went EOTech because of the NV performance and because holographic sights don't change when used through a magnifier like RDS reticles do. I have a 3X magnifier on a QD/swivel mount behind mine. This means, no matter what...close range, slight distance, NV, etc...I'm good to go. I can use the 3X, push it out of the way temporarily or quickly take it off completely. Versatility ftw. I had a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 LPVO for a bit before this and, not only was it huge and heavy, I could NOT get used to the eye box. At all. I hated it. I would like to try a high(er?) end LPVO at some point but honestly, I could keep my current setup forever and be happy.
The eotech is far superior. Holographic is far superior to a red dot. You are not supposed to focus on the reticle. Once you learn to focus on the target the eotech reticle is every bit as crisp.
i watch these comparing videos of the optics i have(HOLOSUN HE403B-GR ELITE) and im SOO saad of my astegmatism cus its always blurry inreal life, but all these videos have super clear dots
If I have a night vision, I just use IR Laser. Look through the optic (any optic) while wearing NVG really tiring. But, in normal use. I believe both of them are good.
Appreciate the review! I’m running passive night vision and this helped extremely. Are you running a riser with your XPS? I see that most are running the taller EXPS with a riser as well. Thanks,
I'm running a Yankee Hill Machine 3-slot 1/2 inch Riser under my XPS. It is extremely solid and weighs only an ounce including bolts. This way I save an ounce over the EXPS while having a taller optic. I'm also running another of the same riser under my magnifier. Might not be as sexy as Unity FAST but quite a bit cheaper and I'm guessing lighter weight.
My eotech exps 3-4 cant hold zero at all. And no im not living in US currently so sending my exps to eotech company not an option. Some suggest to hold it down and forward while locking the qd system. Havent tried it yet My holosun hs510c zero with ease without holding down and forward when locking the qd mount. 5000rds in harsh environment and still hold zero like new.
With an astigmatism like mine there's nothing that can make the Eotech crisp. However if you have normal vision I've heard it's another level of beautiful. I know Eotech has some clear glass. Sadly even with my contacts that reticle is just fuzzy no matter what. I will never experience the promised land of an Eotech. Holosun is also beautiful though. Looks amazing and clear, plus it's cheaper. Holosun is my pick all day
Yankee hill machine, ADM, and Larue tactical all make lower 1/3 cowitness Eotech risers. The yankee hill uses a single screw, the Larue and ADM are QD mounted. If people look around and make sure you are getting a legitimate optic, and not a replica. Aimpoint Pro's, and Eotech 512's can be had in the $300-350 price range. Of course the 512 won't be NV compatible. To me its worth the extra money to buy combat proven optics.
One advantage of a true holographic sight vs a red dot is if the glass gets broken, and a big enough piece remains, the reticle and dot will still be projected and usable. A red dot is done. Another is the red dot requires your eye to focus on the red dot focal plane then to the targets focal plane. You can't keep the both in focus. The holographic sight allows for this, reducing parallax. The laser and mirrors make your eye believe the reticle is in the same plane as the target. A very simplistic explanation. I use an EOTECH on my Tavor and love it. My only issue is the EOTECH sits high with the quick release, I need to find a cheek weld pad to help with that, no joy. Anyone have any good ideas?
@@Knucklehead211 yeap but only saving grace is i our hased direvtly from eotech with warranty etc and i use it with nvg it does what it suppose to rathet than paying 550 or 600 through dealers
I own the holosun, my only complaint is the holographic projection isn’t completely enclosed so if dirt sand ect gets in there it’s a rough day! Other then that no complaints! I’d get an eotech but ima poor so yeah
Hey...is that Lego guy armed with an STG44 with one of those crazy WW2 night vision prototypes that had the 10 pound battery and 6" diameter IR floodlamp? Those things looked super cool.
I own both and I believe that you get the most for your money out of the Holosun. They’re both good red dots but I believe companies are slowly catching up to Eotech and that they’re kind of getting by mostly based on reputation now.
The Holosun has an LED emitter, whereas the Eotech uses a true laser emitter. Accordingly, there will be differences in rate of battery usage between the two devices. As far as I understand, the use of a holographic laser makes the Eotech a true passive IR source (it can't be seen by other IR devieces) and fully compatible with all NV equipment. I don't think the same can be said of the Holosun.
The LEGO guy usage secured a follow from me
Agreed. Same
Me too! Clever!
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I love quality in budget.
I want the best, but I am realistic.
I have no plans to be the next guy in a nightvision raid in some sandbox in the middle east, and I'm sure all the nightvision I'll need in the near future will be measured in lumens and candela.
Your description on how an eotech works is spot on 😂
Holosun has done excellent in giving the gun community the best budget options hands down. I do still believe the high $cost$ red dots are worth investing in....at least one for a primary fighting rifle, just like it may be a good idea everyone own at least one revolver, or one Glock no matter if you like them or not.
Not sure how $300 counts as a budget red dot
@@masonhaggerty186 when price compared to what's considered "non budget" in this space, yes $300 is indeed still "budget".
I agree 300 vs 600 yes it's a budget optic.
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Great review. One other important consideration for some is the combat aspect. Eotech is superior for rugged environments due to it being tried and true in combat and that it can operate even if the glass is broken. This is unlikely for most but it does offer some comfort to those fielding it in extremely austere environments. Eotech is very expensive and I think most users will prefer the holosun. I do dislike the fuzziness that eotech has on very bright settings but as a former combat infantryman I can recommend that all optics should be fired on their lowest brightness setting where the optic is visible otherwise you’re increasing moa thereby reducing accuracy. That is true for all optics. The brighter the reticle the bigger the dot and less precision. The auto on feature is pretty cool also. The optic will always be in the move in tactical environments but long battery life makes it okay. If I grab my weapon the sight comes on. Pretty cool. Hopefully eotech will go that route as well. I do love the solar panel for no battery operation. It would be interesting to know whether or not holosun has configured it to only use battery when in low light pulling from solar first. For military applications batteries are a limitless supply and frequently replaced. For civilians that becomes a huge expense. I imagine that holosun uses solar first and that’s the reason for extreme battery longevity. Additionally you could pack more batteries with less space for holosun. If holosun solar is damaged or the glass is broken users may encounter big problems. Eotech is extremely rugged and ensures that the worst of situations can be prevented. Their engineering is centered around military operations. I might have purchased holosun if I had seen this review first. I just know eotech can take one hell of a beating and maintain zero and is well trusted amongst the most elite fighting forces of the us military. I’ll have to look into magnifiers options for holosun. Maybe I’ll pick it up as well. Great review!!!! Thanks for this.
The Holosun solar panel runs the optic whenever possible and the battery runs it when solar isn't available. The battery life is only including the battery's life, not in conjunction with solar.
I should also mention the "hood" that goes around the optic is titanium and only connects at the base so energy from a hard hit does not transfer through the glass.
I just got an EXPS3 after my EXPS2 of 10 years got so dim i couldn't see the reticle in bright daylight. Even with that said, the EXPS2 still turns on. EOTech all the way!!!
I know a couple of operators and they both pooh poohed the eotech saying the preferred the T2. I was surprised about that. I have been around long enough to know your first thought is probably too question my references, but I'd rather hear what you have to say about the Aimpoint T2 if you've ever used it.
@@michaelmappin4425 I know your question wasn't directed towards me, but if I may offer an opinion: I am not an operator, but I do own a T2 and an EXPS3. I prefer my EOTech simply because it rocks at CQB and even out to mid-range distances, is built like a tank, has a large FOV, the reticle is awesome, and it looks/works great using NODS. I was really dismayed when I got my brand new T2 and discovered that in order to see it in bright daylight I have to crank it all the way up to settings 10, 11, or 12. Apparently the new ones are not as bright as the old ones from everything I've read on ar15.com.
However, even with that being said, my philosophy has always been get what works best for you and train with it a lot in order to become proficient...and carry spare batteries regardless of battery life.
@@Knight_of_the_Old_Code awesome reply. Thank you very much. My research has had me leaning toward the EOtech but I was really thrown for a loop when I asked the pros. I'm not likely going to sweep any houses or go after a high value target but I do want good stuff if it's ever needed.
The Holosun 512 is the new enclosed version, it has the same dot/circle reticle options battery life etc. The advantage of being enclosed means the emitter cant get obscured by rain,snow mud or whatever. It also has the solar option too....There is also a titanium version that is extremely strong.
Yup, 512 is the way. 😊
Any tube vision?
One of the best reviews I've seen. Watch the whole thing.
Nothing wrong with either tbh
Depends on what you're doing. Eotech has the reputation. But for 99% of most cases the Hollersun is good nuff
Some people just really like the military novelty the EOtech has,, even if it would never come close to the amount of abuse it can handle. Theyll definitely get the battery life experience though.
FYI: If you have Astigmatism the eotech reticle will be kinda blurry without your glasses but the holosun will be perfectly clear without glasses. I own both
I second this! Told my buddy why you spend so much money on this trash optic I can’t see anything. It works for him though
Ditto. I tried the EOtech in the store and it was fuzzy. All other red dots had mini starbursts. Haven't tried the Holosun, but purchased it online and will see.
@@reelrocknrolla4251 I'll be BUYING a Holosun 508T when they become available.
I have a holosun and it's all fucked up lol. Well I have more than just astigmatism so idk.
I third this. Also own both an Eotech & Holosun. Because of my eyes, the 1 Eotech quietly rests in its box and the 8 Holosuns are on the rifles. The reticle and red dot are clear AF.
Just added the Holosun on my BCM 9" 300 blk out and absolutely love it ....If I didnt already have an Aimpoint compm5 on my 11.5 I would throw one on there too ...
I guess if you've already spent $20k on night vision an extra $350 on the optic is trivial. Meanwhile if you don't have night vision, like most people, you get to save $200. Great review!
20k on NVG? Lol. You can get into nvgs for under 5k if you know where to look. WP PVS14s can be found for around 3 grand
I mean, night vision varies from like $6k binoculars to those $40k Panoramic Night Vision goggles that the military uses.
@@carbonslice8160 yeah, of course you could spend 40-50k on Panos. But my white phosphorous pvs14 came with IR laser, mount and bump helmet and I paid jussst over 3 grand.
@@Ammonymity1776 Eotech or bust baby
This
Holoson is a decent red dot no doubt. Lots to like about them, especially when they first came out. They were affordable and for the most part pretty dependable. For $120.00 it was well worth it. Fast foward to 2021, Holoson is pushing $300.00 or more, where as EOTECH is still $450.00 for a 512. If I'm in my yard shooting targets, either is fine. If I'm shooting to defend myself..EOTECH is my GO TO optic.
Both would be fine for a go to. Just one better than the other.
There is Ukrainians using SIG Romeo 5 and vortex optics
The eotech is not 450 dude. Dont know where you are finding this price.
@@fireemblemistrash75 fr😂
In my area, the cheapest eotech is $520 and the cheapest holosun is $225. I'm going with Holosun.
@@painexotic3757 So its about price vs quality for you? Principles arent that important I see
Just discovered your channel and your information mixed with your humor has earned you a new subscriber. I’ll be picking up the Holosun thanks to your video. I cannot justify the cost especially if the largest complaint about Holosun night vision would be solved by removing the 6moa ring and just running the dot. I’d be very interested to see the Holosun with the Streamlight TLR VLR2. Otherwise, VERY good stuff!
Extremely well done video with outcomes nicely explained and your reasonings sound, IMO. Thanks for all.
Thanks!
The superior battery life & the auto-on off features of the Holosun are HUGE factors, easily the most important considerations IMHO --- If the sight fails due to battery life, none of the features matter one bit.
You can stick a cr123/aa's in your pistol grip or butt stock. It turns off by itself after 4 or 8 hours and last continuously on for over a month, the reticle even flashes when its low. The cr123 batteries will last a whole year even with passive drain, you'd have to have it on 1 to 2 hours a day to go through it in a year. That said, you do see police body cameras of guys forgetting to turn on their eotechs all the time, but they are cops so they fuck up a lot anyways.
@@stomach6968 i know man I don’t get why everyone gets so hung up on battery life, like everyone is spending 8 hours a day on some black op mission
@@harmansmith84 it’s just one of those things, that “what if it goes out when I need it the most”
@Alan Ashby agreed. Most people buying either of these sights are going to be dead from lack of meds before their sight goes out if their apocalypse fantasies actually happens.
@@Airplanetysoncan’t you buy new batteries and replace them every so often?
I wonder how much the green dot version would affect the night vision. Also would of like to have seen the holoson with the dot only in the night vision
Getting back to you guys 10 months later. Just bought a Windam SRC and a Eotech 512 got an amazing deal. This has been amazing for outdoor shooting and classes. You can pick out the reticle much quicker. I have also found the Eotech has a higher level of accuracy. I get it the battery power is not as good but overall it is a better optic. I you are just shooting at an indoor range however the 510 c will suffice.
Great job with the review! I lean towards the Holosun because of the price difference and I don't really have need for nigh vison. I know you were reviewing them for a rifle but I'd like to see how they handle the pounding of being on a semi-auto pistol such as a .45
These would be a bit big on a .45 pistol, considering they weigh over 8 ounces. Going with a smaller RMR-sized reflex pistol sight would be more appropriate, as they function similar to the Holosun in this video but only weigh just over 1 ounce.
I like the Holosun. I’m 41,It’s not like my old Marine ass is fighting much more than paper targets nowadays 😂. However, when I spend big, I like Meopta or Meprolight. I think EO makes a damn nice product, but it’s image is too grainy for me. That’s personal, not a knock on its quality.
Honestly this video is what sold me on a holosun. I have a exps and was debating between another or go to holosun. Now I'm thinking of getting a second! (Mainly for regular use. Non night vision. Wasn't looking at that aspect for me personally)
Nice review! Reliability, durability and simplicity ... I own the Eotech.
Amen. I have a HHS on my SCAR and it works great. And if you believe that battery life for the Holosun I have a bridge I wanna sell you.
The U.S. Military Forced A Recall Of The 500 Series Range EOTech For Major Malfunctioning Via Not Performing Per Both Hot & Cold Temperature Specifications!
@@dan0alda568 I have both the holosun and an xps2-0. The holosun sits on my 6.8 power on 24/7. Think I've changed the battery once in the past 3 years. Now it does auto off after a bit and auto on with any motion, but the battery life is outstanding in it.
@@michaelmignone5869 I couldn’t care less. That battery life argument is pure hilarity. I’ve got a 1200 dollar optic riding on a 3k weapon. A set of AAs (I have the HHS3)is a drop in the bucket, to say nothing of ammo. They didn’t come up with that tech on their own, they have taken from this and that and made a good product, I won’t deny it. But when you take others tech and have it built at slave wages I would hope you would come in at a low price point. So lets copy Aimpoint’s LED circuit, Trijicon’s shock chassis and come in at 1/2 the price. I am by no means all American, I have an Elcan, Aimpoint, a Japanese Vortex, Nightforce, and Zeiss etc. But the Chinese government is despicable, and any money I can deny them, I will. I won’t tell another man how to spend his coin, if you are good with it, play on player. Look at all you’ll save on batteries.
@@dan0alda568 So battery life is important.... until it's not .
Thanks for the excellent review! You just gained a new subscriber!
Wow this was the best optic comparison review, I’ve seen I like the scale model of the lego man at 5 yards.
Thanks!
The holosun is a beast had it on my ar for a year with thousands of rounds and also on my m92 pap thing still going crazy
Thank you for that...I was looking for someone that would say something like this...I was wondering if the Holosun could take the pounding of a AK SBR...Andy issues after your post!
@@enigmatic51me95 I’ve actually kept the holosun on the zpap to this day and it still works 😭😭 just make sure your threads are tight and it’s still good to go 👍👍I have astigmatism so I can see holosuns reticle away clearer then the eotech on my ar
“My basement, not my mom’s basement”. LMAO
20,000 hrs vs every time I picked up my rifle with the Eotech XPS it had a dead battery? I’ll take the Holosun or an Aimpoint.
Just ordered the green Halosun 510C-GR , excited to get it out and put some lead down range to test 🇺🇸🇺🇸
One word not mentioned in the video... parallax. The Eotech, as a HWS, has essentially zero parallax compared to the Holosun reticle. And then put a 3x magnifier in front of both on it to try to hit a 10 inch circle out to 300 yards and parallax error of 5-10 MOA on the Holosun means missing the target even with good elevation hold-overs (like on the Eotech XPS 3-4 or 3-2).
Just bought an EXPS3 to replace my old EXPS2 and sold my 510C. I had that EXPS2 for 10+ years and the ONLY issue I had with it was that the reticle got so dim I couldn't see it in bright daylight. Again, that was after roughly after 10+ years of use...
From this I think the Holosun is pretty amazing...and I thought it was a sort of cheaper alternative - I was wrong big time .I'm subscribing
The halosun is really good got it for $275 new . It's water proof , 50,000 hr / 20,000 on high. So like 2.5 years left on . I put it on my ar15 that shoots 762x39 ammo. And the eotech with 3x magnificent will go on my daniel defence ddm4 v7 I just got !!!
Hands Down I would spend my money on the Holoson. It's been around long enough with little negatives to say about it. And you save money.
Love the 510c. I was surprised that I'm faster and more accurate with it than a red dot. Wanted the Eotech but with my old eyes the reticle is almost useless without my glasses on while the Holosun is far clearer. If I was 30 I would probably like the Eotech more. Ended up with two 510c but do have other optics with etched reticles if needed too.
You are not supposed to focus on the eotech reticle. If you focus on the target like you should the eotech is just as crisp. Just FYI. Took me getting used to as well.
510c is a red dot...it’s not actually a holographic
Hey brother, heck of a comparison vid! Incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Dude ! Your edits are fire ! First off the lego idea for scaling 200 iq and the Simpsons clip @ 6:03 had me laughing and made me post this comment ;p keep up the good work !
Thank you for the review! I’ve been looking for something like this for a while now and this was perfect!
"My basement, not my mom's basement for the record" lol
Very nice comparison, thanks for taking the time to do this..
Eotech can take some drops and bumps. Also, the Eotech emitters can’t be blocked by mud or debris. Eotech’s dot won’t magnify under a magnifier like a red dot. You’re paying more for Eotech’s proven ruggedness, but both are great options for civilians. Holosun and Eotech are great for my astigmatism.
The non magnifying of Eotech is a myth. It's not black voodoo science. A magnifier magnifies both just the same. But also magnifies the surrounding too.
If you have any astigmatism whatsoever, get the eotech. It will look way more crisp to your eye than any red dot. Just trust me
Do you know if it fits the eotech 556?
Thanks for the review. I’m looking at both, except Eotech xpslmnop-2.3149er. I honestly just kind of want to be cool and have an Eotech, but I’m glad the Holosun will hold up as well.
well you missed your opportunity, why you didnt try the holo with the dot only in nv mode? if thats possible, i would assume way less bloom to be presented.
They’re both great. The eotech is hands down better and has been proven in battlefields. The thing is that I don’t need those areas of better. I don’t use NV nor do I plan on being shot at. The holosun is better in other areas that suit my needs. I want long battery life, small package, crisp reticle (I have an astigmatism), solar power, lightweight, and shake n wake, baby. I just tested a 507k, which I plan on getting for my p365, and that reticle was so crispy that I thought they deep fried it lol. I personally thought that all reticles would look like crap to me since my two sig sauer red dots look like trash compared to the holosun. Turns out that sig sauer is just trash when it comes to reticle quality with my eyes. I love sig but their red dots don’t play nice with an astigmatism. Both my Romeo 5 and Romeo zero look like stars (they look okay outside in the sun though). Holosun is putting out some good shit lately that’s giving eotech a run for their money. Yes I know eotech is better but they might need to hit the drawing board soon.
I have a holosun HS510C with a 3X magnifier and I really like it. I paid about $500 for the combo.
Some additional things I believe the Eotech has over the holosun are 1) if the glass breaks it still works 2) The center dot stays 1 MOA when magnified, shooting out farther is easier, because the dot doesn’t cover the target. 3x on a 2 MOA holosun is now a 6 MOA dot. 3) holographic has little parallax, so if you do use nods there is some flexibility on eye positions. LED’s typically are not parallax free although holosun seems to imply it maybe is on this optic.
It's entirely possible my brain is too simple to understand the magnified 1 MOA thing but I honestly don't. At 1x the dot has a size, which is roughly 1 inch at 100 yards. At 3x the dot has the same size relative to the target, and will appear roughly 3x bigger through the magnifier. The same applies for 2 MOA dot. 1x3 = 3, not 1. I actually did the Lego figure thing to see this for myself. It's not clear to me that the EOTech dot looks much smaller magnified.
@@TacticalAccountants I watched a shot show eotech booth explanation of the dot. What they said was the dot is actually smaller than 1 MOA, but the human brain eye can only see down to 1 MOA. So magnified it’s still 1 MOA. I will see if I can find it...
@@TacticalAccountants here it is th-cam.com/video/V6K3w_XaNuM/w-d-xo.html
@@TacticalAccountants I guess another difference is you can get an Eotech that runs on AA batteries whichi forgot until I saw it in the video. 🙂
@@davidschlageter5962 Okay that is interesting. I'm going to have to test it at longer ranges than 5 yards with a Lego guy.
So, get the Eotech if you want to shoot 6” tall Christmas ornaments with night vision. 👍 p.s. how ‘bout that awesome eotech battery life and having to manually turn it on ;) Thank you for taking the time to do this review, it was one of the better comparisons I have seen of these two optics.
The new ones have 1,000 hours of battery life with 4 or 8 hour auto off functions. If you did the 8-hour function everyday, you'd have roughly 120 hours of battery life
Great review period
I own both. Both are great optics and just fine for home defense. Wouldn’t trust a holosun in a war zone scenario but the likelihood my house would turn into a war zone during a home invasion is slim to none so the eotech is definitely overkill if you are a man on a budget.
Not enough battery life. Go with an LCO. 50,000 hrs and 1 moa dot
@@m.687 not enough battery life? Holosun is rated the exact same as the LCO. It also has solar backup. And a good rule of thumb is to just change batteries every year regardless so battery life should be a moot point if you care about training and maintenance of your equipment.
Better start paying attention then. Cause there are troubled times coming
@@JonDoe-gr2np I was referring to the eotech. I've since switched to a T2 after realizing that if an LCO is in a car, it won't auto shut off and the battery life is significantly less.
@@moserjones7563 I do pay attention. That’s why I don’t live in a big metropolitan area. China and Russia won’t be making war in the mountains in the middle of nowhere.
With the EOtech, the dot stays 1moa with any magnification. The holosun will grow in size with more magnification
I subbed at the lego men. I turned on notifications at the “Not my moms basement” 😂
I would have liked to see what just the dot mode looks like under NVG on the holosun. I feel like with the 2 moa dot I would prefer to just run the dot over the "holographic" reticle.
It's really amazing that the holosun comes in around about $325 compared the eotech at like $500+.
I just bought a EXPS2-0 for $422
@@mapled3135 were?
@@lupecardona306 I’m not sure they still selling at that price though.
Blackhawk armory. You have to get an email quote. I got mine last week.
The Lego man was a very nice touch
Technically 🤓 they have nothing in common apart of looking the same and being used for the same purpose.
Entirely different technologies.
Holosun is just an open emitter red dot, just like the ones on pistols, but larger.
EOTech is a holographic sight.
It's like comparing apples to oranges, cars to bikes etc.
Doesn't mean either is good or bad. It's just, get what you need depending on your goals.
Nice review! I enjoyed it!
Nerd 🤓 out!
I own 3 Holosun’s and they work flawlessly. 508T on a shotgun, 507K on a G43X mos, and a 510C paired with an HM3X on an AR pistol. I’d choose Holosun over EOTech any day. American made has become a sales pitch in order to gouge consumers. Sorry, I don’t get patriotic over a company looking to increase profit margins. These companies very rarely innovate......just release minor updates to outdated designs
That night vision was a serious advantage over someone else in the room without it.
I have a couple XPS2-0s and recently picked up a 510c in red. The 510c lives on an indoor home defense rig, due to its open emitter design. I just don't like how easy it is to block the emitter in the field rendering it useless untill it's cleaned out. The XPS-2, on the other hand, easily overcomes field grime with it's sealed system. Simply wipe off the glass and your back in business. Just my 2 cents.
should have switched it to just the dot for the night vision test. I would think that this would help a lot with the bloom.
Holosun is really stepping it up these past couple years.
Try wearing night vision googles then getting down on your rifle to get a good sight picture through your Eotech, not impossible but not that easy either, but it is easy to just use a IR laser.
This is true, but not always possible. Some situations require ambient light only.
Perfect practice makes perfect. Look into the EXPS3.
couple of points. The Holosun performs better in NVG environment with just the dot. it removes a lot of the bloom. secondly, the 1MOA of the Eotech doesnt come into its own until you are magnifying targets beyond 100 yards. at 200+ yards, the 2moa of the holosun is covering and obscuring the entire target. finally, the EOtech optic will still operated should the front lense of the unit get damaged or broken since it doesnt require the optic to reflect off of it. Thats why you see so many airsofters with that little plastic shield in front of their optic. one errant 6mm bb and that 400 dollar optic is now a paperweight.
I think that the night vision mode would be more effective with a Black Reticle. Using any color but black is counterproductive IMHO. The Black Reticle for bright sun or snow conditions would better also.
Damn! That was comprehensive! Thanks
Strictly speaking on Night Vision performance here. I was pleasantly surprised that the 510c performed nearly as well just using the single dot reticle, if not a little better, in certain areas than the Eotech. No blooming or distortion of the reticle.
Where the 510c beats Eotech is the housing profile. The reticle truly looks like a dot floating in space since the housing is almost completely blurred out. Can't say the same for the Eotech, as its housing is very noticeable under Night Vision.
The glass clarity is negligible in near pitch black environments and only improves with more ambient light. Where the 510c falters is glass warpage, whereas the Eotech virtually has none. If that's more important to you, then I understand why you'd pick the Eotech over the Holosun. All in all, from my personal experience, the 510c is an excellent alternative for NV use.
I would take the Holosun for the battery life and solar panel alone.
I went EOTech because of the NV performance and because holographic sights don't change when used through a magnifier like RDS reticles do. I have a 3X magnifier on a QD/swivel mount behind mine. This means, no matter what...close range, slight distance, NV, etc...I'm good to go. I can use the 3X, push it out of the way temporarily or quickly take it off completely. Versatility ftw.
I had a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 LPVO for a bit before this and, not only was it huge and heavy, I could NOT get used to the eye box. At all. I hated it. I would like to try a high(er?) end LPVO at some point but honestly, I could keep my current setup forever and be happy.
Holosun LE117 IR plus HS510, perfect combo
You can't beat that solar power on the Holosun.
The Simpson edit was class 👌
The eotech is far superior. Holographic is far superior to a red dot. You are not supposed to focus on the reticle. Once you learn to focus on the target the eotech reticle is every bit as crisp.
i watch these comparing videos of the optics i have(HOLOSUN HE403B-GR ELITE) and im SOO saad of my astegmatism cus its always blurry inreal life, but all these videos have super clear dots
Holosun is as good as it gets outside of an aimpoint.
If I have a night vision, I just use IR Laser. Look through the optic (any optic) while wearing NVG really tiring. But, in normal use. I believe both of them are good.
Appreciate the review! I’m running passive night vision and this helped extremely. Are you running a riser with your XPS? I see that most are running the taller EXPS with a riser as well. Thanks,
I'm running a Yankee Hill Machine 3-slot 1/2 inch Riser under my XPS. It is extremely solid and weighs only an ounce including bolts. This way I save an ounce over the EXPS while having a taller optic. I'm also running another of the same riser under my magnifier. Might not be as sexy as Unity FAST but quite a bit cheaper and I'm guessing lighter weight.
Good review but how do you not mention where its made? China vs USA and warranty?
My eotech exps 3-4 cant hold zero at all. And no im not living in US currently so sending my exps to eotech company not an option.
Some suggest to hold it down and forward while locking the qd system. Havent tried it yet
My holosun hs510c zero with ease without holding down and forward when locking the qd mount. 5000rds in harsh environment and still hold zero like new.
First, u should compare Hs512 and not 510 my friend.
With an astigmatism like mine there's nothing that can make the Eotech crisp. However if you have normal vision I've heard it's another level of beautiful. I know Eotech has some clear glass. Sadly even with my contacts that reticle is just fuzzy no matter what. I will never experience the promised land of an Eotech. Holosun is also beautiful though. Looks amazing and clear, plus it's cheaper. Holosun is my pick all day
Eotech better
Great review. Thank you!
Yankee hill machine, ADM, and Larue tactical all make lower 1/3 cowitness Eotech risers. The yankee hill uses a single screw, the Larue and ADM are QD mounted. If people look around and make sure you are getting a legitimate optic, and not a replica. Aimpoint Pro's, and Eotech 512's can be had in the $300-350 price range. Of course the 512 won't be NV compatible. To me its worth the extra money to buy combat proven optics.
A great review, thank you.
One advantage of a true holographic sight vs a red dot is if the glass gets broken, and a big enough piece remains, the reticle and dot will still be projected and usable. A red dot is done.
Another is the red dot requires your eye to focus on the red dot focal plane then to the targets focal plane. You can't keep the both in focus. The holographic sight allows for this, reducing parallax. The laser and mirrors make your eye believe the reticle is in the same plane as the target. A very simplistic explanation.
I use an EOTECH on my Tavor and love it. My only issue is the EOTECH sits high with the quick release, I need to find a cheek weld pad to help with that, no joy. Anyone have any good ideas?
“Budget” optics are far better than they once were, but name brands will always beat them out for serious use.
Features and price is beneficial
Holosun is current cutting edge technology in RDS sights
If "duty proven" is your main citeria then iron sights are the only answer.
Battery tray would be more prone to but considering it lasts 50000 hr it is a non-issue
As far as I'm concerned geotex are massively overhyped
Had both...only have Eotech now. Dont fool yourself, there is no comparison...Eotech FTW.
Glad I got the holosun.
You’re showing both the exps and xps here?
After COMPLETELY making the case for the H.S. I am going to choose the E.T.. Did I get that right?
I bought a limited version direct from eotech with just dot 300 bucks love it
Lol pics or it didn't happen. This sounds like you got played not gonna lie, no offense
@@Knucklehead211 yeap but only saving grace is i our hased direvtly from eotech with warranty etc and i use it with nvg it does what it suppose to rathet than paying 550 or 600 through dealers
I own the holosun, my only complaint is the holographic projection isn’t completely enclosed so if dirt sand ect gets in there it’s a rough day! Other then that no complaints! I’d get an eotech but ima poor so yeah
Hey...is that Lego guy armed with an STG44 with one of those crazy WW2 night vision prototypes that had the 10 pound battery and 6" diameter IR floodlamp?
Those things looked super cool.
Nice eye. Coolest part to me is that they called the system Vampir. Germans had some cool stuff for all the uncool stuff they did.
I own both and I believe that you get the most for your money out of the Holosun. They’re both good red dots but I believe companies are slowly catching up to Eotech and that they’re kind of getting by mostly based on reputation now.
“Down here in my basement. Not my moms basement, just for the record.” 🤣🤣🤣
The Holosun has an LED emitter, whereas the Eotech uses a true laser emitter. Accordingly, there will be differences in rate of battery usage between the two devices. As far as I understand, the use of a holographic laser makes the Eotech a true passive IR source (it can't be seen by other IR devieces) and fully compatible with all NV equipment. I don't think the same can be said of the Holosun.