2021 Ford F150 5.0 V8 Cylinder Deactivation & Oil Pump Belt Explanation - JLT Catch Can Install
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- 2021 Ford F150 5.0 V8 Cylinder Deactivation & Oil Pump Belt Explanation - JLT Catch Can Install
- In this video we discuss the 2021 Ford F150 Gen 4 Coyote 5.0 V8 changes. Cylinder deactivation and the move from a chain to a belt system for the oil pump are going to affect the aftermarket's ability to add a supercharger or turbos. The ECU still needs to be cracked so that the 2021 F150 can be tuned before we will know if cylinder deactivation can be tuned out. Will the oil pump belt be a weak point when adding power to the Gen 4 5.0 Coyote engine? We also install a JLT Oil Separator (Catch can) from Sam's prior truck.
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Everyone is pissed about cylinder deactivation but have we actually seen problems with it in this engine or are we all just basing our opinions on the GM issues?
Just found you guys the other day. Badass! I love the no nonsense, no agenda level of input y'all give. Keep it up! Y'all rock!
Thanks Matt! We don’t lie for anyone. If we say it it’s because we believe it. We might be wrong but we can’t lie.
Great video... touched the topic nobody else does... keep going fellas👍🏻
Makes me appreciate my 2016 5.0.
Indeed. This sounds like a bunch of bs
Don't get rid of it. I think the grill on 2016 is excellent. Best looking rig of them all. Combined with the 5.0, and you have classic. One day, not too far off, the offers will start.
Same here. I get 21 mpg highway on my 2016 Supercrew 5.0.
I get 14 mpg in my 2016 lariat super crew 5.0.. 6 inch lift on 35s by 12.5 wide
I wish I kept my 2017 f150 5.0L
Great videos guys. Love my catch can. I wish I would have known about them earlier. I would’ve put it on as soon as I got the truck.
Thank you for the information fellows I had no idea of these changes on the new 5.0 , especially since I'm getting ready to order one now I know what potentially I am getting myself into
Thank you for describing the In side and out side for the catch can. Very helpful!
Fantastic video guys. So far I like the channel.
Thanks Reggie! We have some awesome videos being filmed and going live this week. Have you seen our GT500 videos?
Love the content keep it coming
I agree with Scotty Kilmer. Cylinder deactivation is not a good thing. Those cylinders will wear out sooner. (See his "I'd give my left arm for this truck). It has completely stopped my purchase.
That's one of the couple things I agree with what scotty kilmer says
You should check out the nissan titan
I had lifters fail on my ram on the DOD deactivation thats why I'm in an F150 now. Screw that garbage thats why I have a 2020.
REALLY GREAT CONTENT BROTHERS!
With cylinder deactivation, Ford just deactivated my wallet. Nobody wants that shit
Nope
I agree. I used to be a Chevy guy as well but once the started putting cylinder deactivation and afm it just ruined them for me
@@spencertb6034 can be easily disabled.
It is the most useless marketing BS ever. It is just a way for them to market it a extra 1-2 mpg. The only good thing is you can deactivate via handheld tuner.
@@spencertb6034 they did put in fixes to prevent the issues Chevy was having (blowby and lifter failure) from happening to the coyotes. And they pretty much tried to sneak it in under the radar because of that reputation that dodge and Chevy gave it (and are still giving it) because they knew nobody would buy the truck if they told them they added it, or at least very few would. I'm going to wait a year and see if anyone actually has problems with it, but they also made it stupid easy to disable, one little plug and that's it, gets rid of stop/start too, and it doesn't REALLY help mileage, but it does help emissions, which is what they're really worried about.
Good subjects- cylinder deactivation makes me not want to run to a 21.
20mpg fairly easily with the 20 not worth the potential probs
Definitely getting myself a catch can
Get over it people. I'm a GM guy. The government has forced this shit on anything with a V8. So if we still get to keep our V8s, then we really shouldn't blame the manufacturers at this point. I blame obtrusive government forcing the hand of private industry
If that is true why is gm selling trucks made after 3/15/2021 without cylinder deactivation
@@dcb805 You may have overslept today or something. I think you apparently forgot the reason why GM is going to sell their V8s after March 2021 without cylinder deactivation. Go ahead and try a little harder to find your answer, silly goose
@@dcb805 Because they don't have the computer chips they need to control the system. It has nothing to do with the reliability of the system. www.motor1.com/news/494551/gm-trucks-without-cylinder-deactivation/
@@dcb805 because they don’t have parts, bro! And getting rid of that trash is a good thing, that’s the truck to get with that engine no AFM/ DOD but moving on forward it's coming back. It’s only temporary.
Excellent info guys
Carbon buildup is a problem with Honda Odyssey cylinder deactivation...I would never want it again.
Thanks, I had no idea on those changes. Kills my decision for a 2021 f150 5.0
they screwed it up
Same here, I’m looking into buying a new truck and that cylinder deactivation is trash, it’s trash in GM trucks.
I don’t know where I got the cylinder deactivation information from but I learned about it a month or two ago.
Crossed the V8 off my list because of it.
I am not crazy about twin turbos but the now mature 3.5L looks a lot better to me in 2021 than it did in 2011.
@@dgruvers there is no internal water pump on the longitudinal mounted 3.5 engines you jack ass. Stop spreading wrong information.
Great info guys. I went to 2 different dealers. After discussing the truck I mentioned the cylinder deactivation. Both denied that Ford was using this. Not a good way to get trust with the customer. Ford knows a lot of customers will shy away from this and I believe that Ford told these sales people to not mention it.Outwardly denying it is shocking and unacceptable.Excellent recon on the belt info.Hidden for a reason.Keep bringing us out of the dark /into the light.......👌
I have the mbrp preaxle exhaust (Love this exhaust, btw) and I hear the Cylinder deactivation. Im wondering what it sounds like from outside the vehicle. Like is it noticeable to other people driving or people you drive by.
I installed the J&L catch can last week on my 5.0. I noticed oil in the factory hose while installing the can.
I'm glad you explained why you were installing the catch can since your truck has port and direct fuel injection. I have a 2020 F150 and for that reason I did not install a catch can, however I understand your reasoning since you had one from your old truck and want to see if it will catch any residual oil. In my opinion I believe Ford is being low key in regards to the cylinder deactivation because they do not want to discourage people from buying the V8 since other manufactures had problems with cylinder deactivation.
Have the same catch can on my '20 2.7L, they are a must, caught .5 oz of oily/gas/water mixture at only 600 miles. Wish the hoses weren't so long, they're double the length they need to be.
If I wanted a truck that ran on 4 cylinders, I would buy a 4 cylinder truck. Definitely keeping my 2016 5.0.
Same here! 2016 Supercrew 5.0 - I'll run it to 300K miles and beyond just like my 2006 5.4. The 2021 Coyote is a step backwards.
Ummm guys... Just pull one single little wire off the battery and it shuts off deactivation. Doesnt hurt anything.
@@raymondwandell8880 no that does not work, not at all. That system is simply to moniter battery draw and charging. I dont know where people are getting that bullcrap from but that does nothing to cylinder deactivation.
Not sure why the cylinder deactivation isn't listed but in all the videos I saw leading up to the 2021 with the Coyote is that it would have it and it will take some time to get a supercharger for it because of it.
I think Town & Country will Mitchell Watts talked about this same issue.
Really enjoy the channel, First time 5.0 V8 owner on my 2021 Ford F-150. Where can I get the JLT catch can for my truck. Keep up the good work and honest assessments !
Thanks for watching! This is the same one on my truck. amzn.to/34zVx1Q
Great info! Interested to see how the oil pump belt plays into bigger power setups.
Thanks for watching Randy! I'm curious to see how this goes as well. I've got a lot riding on it!
@@BackroadDriver Has anyone asked for the purpose of switching to a belt driven oil pump? Was there a practical reason for this other than trying to save a buck? Lets get a Ford engineer on here to explain
@@danieljacob9216 I’m wondering if it has to do with harmonics when the motor is in 4 cylinder mode. I know the previous oil pump gears couldn’t take a lot of on/off shock, like sitting on a two-step at too low of an rpm...the harmonics killed them. Wonder if there are harmonics with the cylinder deactivation that we’re unaware of...short of that, only other things I can consider are more efficiency for the stricter cafe MPG standards or cost, maybe?
Gonna be interesting, that’s for sure.
@@RaceGasSmellsGood good question time will tell
I unplugged my battery sensor that y’all showed me. On my 22 f150 5.0 and it still deactivated
Wow going to like this channel....
Steel oil pan as well!
So which driving modes use cylinder deactivation and which modes don't ? Sounds like the only two modes that use it are ECO and NORMAL. Am I right ?
Just ordered a Platinum with the 3.5 ecoboost. Wanted to go with the 5.0, but with cylinder deactivation being new for the 5.0, didn't want any headaches. Hopefully they nailed the engineering on it. Have the 3.5 ecoboost in my 2016 with no issues with 82k miles. Thinking about it, I was concerned going with the 3.5 ecoboost when I ordered the 2016. With technology changing so quickly these days, guess there will always be risks. Give me the 360 I had in my 1976 Highboy, and I'd be a happy camper. Always enjoy watching your guys videos!
Thanks for watching!
I have a 2012 FX4 with the 3.5. Currently at 124k miles.....only have been to the dealer once to fix a short in a wiring harness....that is it. Engine has been flawless and runs almost as strong as it was when it was new. I did put a catch can on @ 100k and probably should have done it sooner though. If I were to buy another in 2021 I would probably go back to the Ecoboost. Engine is even more powerful, the truck is lighter than mine and with the port and direct injection they have fixed the intake valve issue that GDI vehicles are known for. Should be a good truck.
Had a 2014 Silverado work truck and the cylinder deactivation was horrible. The whole truck shook when it went into 4 cylinder mode. Now I have a 2020 Silverado work truck and I can’t tell when it deactivates. For my personal truck I bought an F-150 in 2019. Glad I did.
SO the JLT Catch Can is great HOWEVER!!! There needs to be 2 cans NOT - 1 - So if you look at the drivers side there is yet another PCV from the crank case to the intake.... Yep if you only install ONE 1 Can then you have only fixed half the story.... So 2 cans needs to be installed one for the left side of the motor and one for the right side of the motor... I have a 2021 Eco boost 3.5 turbo and thus it needs 2 to do the job...
Think about it there are vents on each side of the motor and they both feed into the air intake and thus will be blowing oil into the engine from the drivers side if you only install onto the right side.
I subscribed
Good info. Got a link for the 2021 3.5L EB engine?
They're not mentioning cylinder deactivation because they know people will avoid them given all of GM's issues...
Exactly.
Well it's a good thing on the 2021 f150 they have not just a Kevlar reinforced rubber belt on the oil pump...but the pump itself is a high flow oil pump that rivals aftermarket performance oil pumps. Stillen...the company that makes superchargers...asked ford when they were in development of a new supercharger kit if ford could put a better flowing oil pump on the 2021 4th gen coyote motor so it could handle the increased stress of forced induction. Since stillen is a big performance partner of ford...ford said why not? And did so. The other benefits of the higher flowing oil pump is the lifters get plenty of oil at low rpm...which was a big issue with gm and ram trucks with cylinder deactivation. So hopefully with this improvement...the 4th gen 5.0L with cylinder deactivation will not suffer the same fate as the gm and ram trucks.
As opposed to all the Gen 3's issues with oil consumption, piston slap, and cam phaser rattles? If guys are willing to gamble on the 5.0 knowing all those problems, why would cylinder deactivation stop them?
@@karlschauff7989 to my knowledge the biggest issue with ford motors nowadays (and since about 2010) is that their OEM oil is literal garbage, all of the genes that I know of that are dealer serviced are having issues, all the guys doing their own services (that I know personally) are not having these issues, the only thing that changes afaik is the quality of oil/filters they use. (Yes motorcraft oil is API but they don't tell you it's within half a percent of the bare minimum in most categories, and they don't meet specs like DEXOS, while many aftermarket oils like mobil 1 do) we're in west texas where EVERYTHING has to be severe service (if you want it to last) because of dust and extreme heat (and cold for a bit). I do know a few that have already taken a gen3 past 200k miles here and they're going good.
Exactly!!! That shit has been a big issue on GM trucks for fucking years!!!
everyone talking about the oil pump belt can hold 1000hp , what i would be worry about is can it last for atleast 250k miles with out replacement
I wouldn't buy a Caddy when it had the V8-6-4 engine; my dad had one and it was a piece of crap. I won't buy a Honda which has cylinder deactivation on its V6, for goodness sake. I won't buy a Ram 1500 with the 5.2 liter gas V8, and now I won't buy a Ford F-150 gas V8 either. It doesn't matter if you can "hardly" notice it. If you notice it, I won't pay my hard earned scratch for it. The twin turbo V6 Ecoboost and PowerBoost engines are the best F-150 gas engines. The V6 diesel is also a good unit. The new Godzilla 7.3 liter V8 is the only Ford pickup gas V8 without cylinder cutoff, but it's only available on the F-250 and above; the diesel V8 does without cylinder cutoff, too. Ford doesn't look very customer friendly by ruining its 5.0 V8.
Fingers crossed that you can tune out the cylinder deactivation!
Tuners will be able to turn that off easily. There’s a wire you can disconnect next to the battery and it disables the “cylinder deactivation”. You’ll just have a check engine light on.
@@L15CcorridosAR so then you could just clear the check engine light after it’s been disabled?
There is no reason it wont be able tk be tuned out. Its not a mechanical change. Its activated through the pcm through eco mode. Its fuel injector related. Once the pcm is unlocked for tuning, its going to be a cake walk to turn off.
@@J-Whit that’s what I was thinking.
@@lucasblanchard47 other than the solonoids, nothing major was done. This is substantially better than dod from gm imo.
Just looking for trouble with extra complications in my opinion.
Oil pump belt? OMG, that's CRAZY.
Just another reason for me to lease. Drive it for 3 years and turn it in before it breaks!
My rule of thumb is to stay away form something new or redesigned? There's always some little or major issue with something.
Appreciate you guys exposing this stuff for the rest of us. Weird that Ford wouldn't advertize the cylinder deactivation. Smells fishy.
Hmmm...I like the 2.7 and 5.0 equally. Or used to. Not a fan of dropping cylinders. Or belt driven oil pumps that will have limited service life.
2.7L has belt driven oil pump now too. There's also an SSM if earlier chain driven oil pump 2.7L get a new short block, it is to be converted to belt drive oil pump.
I'm glad I bought a 2020
On my Ram/Dodge vehicles that had cylinder deactivation(MDS), the annoying exhaust sound (with aftermarket exhaust) was most noticeable when cruising at a steady speed (65-70 mph) on the highway/interstate.
In either the 5/6 speed auto or the 8 speed, you just manually put the trans in top gear, 5/6 or 8, and it prevents eco mode from coming on and it shifts normally.
Ford mentions cylinder deactivation on their website for the 2021 5.0, although who knows when they updated their site. Click on the engine information specs. Ford calls it VDE, variable displacement engine.
Hey, guys! Great video and definitely discussions worth having... being a Ford and GM fan, we all know what happened after GM offered cylinder deactivation. Hopefully Ford engineers figured things out, but time will tell.
My only quibble is about the part where you implied that Ford is hiding the feature. if you look at the 5.0’s description on the F150 build and price page, it’s very plainly there:
“This legendary available Ford V8 with 10-speed transmission delivers all the muscle you need plus a best-in-class maximum payload rating of 3,325 lbs. * Experience robust 400 horsepower and 410 lb.-ft. of torque, courtesy of twin independent variable cam timing (Ti-VCT), as well as the Ford port-fuel and direct-injection (PFDI) system with two injectors per cylinder - one in the air intake port, another inside the cylinder - to increase power. And new Variable Displacement Engine (VDE) technology allows the engine to shut off half of its cylinders when full power is not needed.”
Thanks for watching Michael! I see that you are correct. It is in the description now. Unfortunately I built my truck back in September and placed my order on October 2nd. At that time it was not on the build and price and many features were missing and pictures and descriptions were only partially available. In the video, I first said they were trying to hide it but then reeled that back in a little. They sure aren't making a big deal out of these changes or being very forward about it. Many people like yourself feel that these are pretty big changes so that was my main issue with the way they have handled it.
@@BackroadDriver totally get it! And I’m glad you did. I also mentioned the feature in my review - th-cam.com/video/r6KuMrGnwk8/w-d-xo.html
Oh God chey had a Hugh problem with that last year my buddy's chevy would only run on 4 and couldn't fix it
GM had huge problems with the 09-13 engines with AFM. There aren't nearly as many issues with the 2014+ engines. People hear stories about AFM problems and don't stop to think about just how many engines GM builds each and every year that has AFM or DFM. They easily sell over a million vehicles (trucks, full size SUV's, Camaros and Corvettes) with V8's and V6's that have AFM or DFM each and every year since 2014. There has to be at least 6 or 7 million of the newer AFM/DFM engines out there. Even if there's just a 1% failure rate, that's tens of thousands of engines that develop an issue and most of them show up at dealers. That's where the whole "I know a guy that works at a dealer and he's always fixing engines with AFM problems" -- yeah no shit shirlock your buddy works at a dealer where all those vehicles go to get things fixed under warranty and GM sells over a million vehicles with AFM each and every year. Imagine that.
Most of the time the reason cylinder deactivation systems have problems, it's because the owner goes 7500+ miles between oil changes. The same reason most AFM or DFM systems have issues is the same reason most people with a 5.0 or Ecoboost have cam phaser or timing chain problems. These newer engines don't tolerate dirty oil. All the tiny oil passages and screens get clogged up and cause a lifter to get stuck or a cam phaser to start to rattle.
Well this concludes my looking for a 2021 single cab
I've looked at the system, they've got a fix for all the issues GM had, they actually added lubrication for the lifters when they added cylinder deactivation. The oil pump does concern me, but supposedly it's been tested to 1100 horsepower and stupid RPM at the same time to make sure it won't fail, and also they beefed up the piston rings to help stop blow by. As long as you're using good oils (no store brand conventional for the love of god... or ANYTHING not full synthetic) the gen4 should be just as durable as the gen3. That said if you treat it like crap, put the wrong oil in it, and run said oil longer than your should (the oil timer is designed for synthetic, so set it to like 30% if you insist on running conventionals, or 60% on blends)
I agree with your comments. There's a reason they were last to implement cylinder deactivation. Hopefully all of the changes they made actually allow for a reliable system.
@@BackroadDriver it can't be worse than the ford an Chevy systems with all the upgrade, but putting good oil in them is going to be mandatory if you want more than 100k miles out of them.
I Do Cars did a teardown on a 1L ford motor with the belt driven oil pump and found that the rubber from the belt had come off and plugged the oil pump strainer.
I have a 2020 4x4 with the coyote engine it gets about 2-3 miles per gallon better than a coyote I had in a 2013 2 wheel drive truck I'm very happy with it.
The start/start quit working on it when it was about 1 year old, I never had it repaired.
I was looking into purchasing a F150 V8 regular cab. I didn’t know they had cylinder deactivation. Until I watched your video. Thank you for your information. Seems like if you keep it in sport mode it will turn it off. 🤙🏽🤙🏽
Are the intake tube vacuum lines on gen 3 to gen 4 coyote the same?
I want to use an aftermarket cold air intake tube to replace the stock chambered intake tube.
But I'll be keeling the stock air box, but with a drop in air filter.
tuned the AFM outa my chevy. no issues
Yes sir your right they don’t tell you about the motor and I didn’t know that until someone told me mine sometime shifts hard and mine uses a quart of oil in between oil changes I think that stinks called them said it needs a soft wear update will see what happens if I would have known about that motor might not bought it ps like your videos
Do a video on how to remove the grille please
The auto start/stop is the main culprit for oil consumption 2018-20. Cylinder deactivation may or may not increase oil consumption, but looking at older engines with it, the deactivation will speed engine wear. If it was my truck, id deactivate the deactivation. I installed the autostop eliminator 5 days after i bought my 19 5.0l. Its great. Mine doesnt have oil consumption issues at least as of now w 14k miles.
Supposedly, in sport mode it will not deactivate cylinders, so you could always keep it in sport mode when you're not towing. The feature is also deactivated in tow mode.
Cylinder deactivation and a oil pump belt? I bought my 5.0 for simplicity and durability. Where is that in the 2021?
The only simple and durable engine left in the Ford lineup is the 3.3L Mazda v6 :/
@@datapro007 I disagree. 290 horsepower is more than most v8s were making 20 years ago and you never heard anybody complaining about a lack of power back then.
If anything, 400 horsepower is overkill for most people. After all, if you need to tow your house, you probably shouldn't have bought a half-ton to do it with in the first place.
good video I am a subscriber now!!, what kind of Oakley's are those?
Thanks Jay! They're Oakley Portal X.
Seems to me like oil might settle in the low point of the hose before it makes it into the can.
That coyote is one hell of an engine. Hopefully, the rubber oil pump belt holds up
My brand new 2021 Roush truck doesnot have cylinder deactivation or auto start/stop or reverse brake assist. I did see on the window sticker that it had auto start/stop removed and it was a $50 charge, no clue on other items
Are you still not experiencing cylinder deactivation? I'm interested because I just purchased a 2022 roush and was concerned about this.
First thing I do to my vehicles is change the oil to what I been using since the 90s mobil one full synthetic , but there's afew other brands aswell , good video guys
Also these new trucks might be impossible to tune. If there is an update for engine or transmission programming. You don’t bring the truck in. It just does it wirelessly.
Anything is possible given it enough time. It's not going to happen right away but I think eventually the ECU will get cracked. Depending on how long it takes, piggyback systems will become available to do the same thing as well. Look no further than the C8 Corvette.
On my Ram I can change a setting so that there is an "eco" light on the dash that lights up during cylinder deactivation. At first I didn't really notice when it happened but the eco light helped me detect when it was happening. Now I can tell by the sound because the eco light helped train me to detect it. (Stock exhaust)
What is that port in the center of the head between the two center cyls?
The listed mileage is up 2mpg mix. What are you seeing?
Ive got a 2021 5.0 and put a 40 series flowmaster on it. The cylinder deactivation sounds like a jake brake in the cab. Its annoying
Damn ford taking tips from chevy with the cylinder deactivation and rubber oil pump belts
I hope they learned from GM's mistakes.
@@BackroadDriver the only thing ford learned was that pre-mature failure equals big money
I cut the muffler off in my old Silverado. When cylinder deactivation happened it was noticeable. Sounded like a helicopter lol
I was all set to buy a New F150 with the 5.0. Not now! That cylinder deactivation is a show stopper!
My GM and Ram buddies went through hell with this crap.
The cylinder deactivation scares me 10 times more than the belt driven oil pump.
I have owned 7 F150’s with my last one being a 3.5 Eco Boost. It was a beautiful powerplant that I guess I’m going back to that or more than likely a Nissan Titan with the 5.6. I owned one in the past and it was a beast.
Variable displacement engine VDE is listed on page about the 5.0. Ford doesn’t call it Cylinder deactivation.
Good catch. You are correct. You have to swipe over to the 5.0 V8 section and they call it VDE. Ford was smart to stay away from calling it cylinder deactivation since it has a negative connotation. I did scour the 2021 F-150 brochure and still there is no mention of VDE in it.
Great video fellas. I just wanted to give my two cents. I am a master mechanic previously for Honda for several years, I worked for Dodge for several years and now for the last seven years I’ve worked for General Motors. Every one of these companies has done the cylinder deactivation technology on their motors and it’s caused major problems. The only one that’s done any justice is Honda. They beefed up their parts in 2013 and added technology that allows you to actually turn it off. General Motors has never addressed the issue since they introduced in 2007 into this very day the 5.3 L V8 it’s almost 100% failure rate by 150,000 miles. Camshaft, lifter issues, oil consumption, seals going bad all because of the cylinder deactivation. The repair is $2748. I do at least one or two a week.
It really bothers me that Ford put this awful technology into the 5.0 L V8. That was a great motor. Personally, I drive a Toyota tundra because it doesn’t have any of those ridiculous fuel saving so-called benefits and it’s never cost me a dime.
Snake, I haven't seen much dirt on the L3B 2.7. Is it legit? Thanks
@@sharkskin3448 Great question. I haven't heard about nor seen many issues with the 2.7L V6 Turbo Ford is using. IMHO it is in the sweet spot for a turbo motor though. It is not too small which is a huge issue with longevity and stress, and its not too big that it would kill you on gas.
Now, I think in the F-150 this is a commuter only motor. You try to do a lot of towing with it and you'll most likely wear it out fast.
This is the motor you get if you just want a truck and will only use it as a commuter or a bed.
I don't think it has been out long enough to get a real since of longevity other than so far so good.
@@SuperSnakePlissken ty for response. I was referring to the L3B 2.7 4cyl turbo that GM is using as a base engine in Silverado/Sierra, as well as some mid-sized SUVs including some Cadillacs.
@@sharkskin3448 Ah! Avoid! Under powered and overstressed. Do not get it. Tons of problems as well as having to replace the turbos in the first 20-30k multiple times. I have no idea what GM was thinking with that motor in the trucks. In a SUV probably be ok. I've not seen any issues in SUV like the Elevation. Trucks though major problems because IMHO the motor is too small.
@@SuperSnakePlissken lol! I knew it sounded too good to be true. Meanwhile, my beautiful '21 DC Ltd is currently worth original MSRP and I owe ~$8k less. Great truck, but loves to drink! Guess I'll keep her til the 22 waste gate issues are solved. Unless I try to grab a Taco.
Honda and GM have had oil consumption issues with cylinder deactivation. The cylinders not firing won’t have as tight a ring seal. Not sure how you can avoid all consumption.
I just installed a Range device on my
Girls 07 Tahoe. Consumption is WAY down now that it stays in V8 mode.
Thanks for watching Anthony! I'll be keeping close eye on the best way to deactivate cylinder deactivation for sure!
This is correct, the 3.5 V6 in the Honda’s were very bad at it and fouled plugs all the time. I installed a device/dongle to keep it from deactivating the cylinders and the problem was solved.
My 1999 Ford F250 super duty did the same thing; Felt like it had a Jake break
Those aren’t supposed to do that 😂 must of had some bad coil packs if it was a gasser
What is the catch can for?
Ive had a 2008 ram 1500 with the hemi and Ive always hated the cylinder deactivation. Its very noticeable in that truck you can feel it lose power. It also sounds like crap with the exhaust I have. I just bought a 2022 f150 with the v8 and I can honestly say ford did cylinder deactivation right. Whatever they did its totally different I don't notice it at all which is good that's how it should be.
For now. We'll see how the engine handles deactivation after 100k. Maybe you can let us know? My hope is everything's just fine but my skeptical side says it's gonna be a repeat issue like many of the other deactivation systems with mass oil consumption
Fyi, you dont have a HEMI. Tbey have not made a REAL one since the 70's. Use to work on these newer V8's from Dodge 1995 to 2018. Fake HEMI.
@@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq Doesn’t hemi just mean it has a hemispheric or dome shape on the cylinder heads?
@@1986vette Hemispherically shaped combustion chamber and concave topped pistons. Do your home work. Chrysler paid big money for the cooy rights to use the name Hemi to bring it back. Its just a marketing scheme. False advertising. People akwsys asked me why I didnt buy one of the V8 vehicles of my company I worked for, Dodge, I told them when they drop the name abd dont use commercials with a baby saying HEMI, so stupid.
If the oil pump belt breaks and oil pressure drops. Will motor be hurt if you shut it off right away. Kinda just like a cold start. Off course shutting off motor going down the road isn't very safe usually.
If the belt breaks and the driver catches it right away, it should be ok. A few seconds to pull off the road and shut down shouldn't cause any problems. Shutting off the engine in motion is an issue because steering and braking get much more difficult, though I'm not sure about the electric assist power steering and how that would react to engine shutdown in motion, and also, an intentional engine shutdown in motion might consist of a person turning the key all the way back which locks the steering column, in general, shutting off the engine in motion isn't recommended for safety reasons, not really for the engine itself.
Anything that has cylinder deactivation you can keep..I wont buy it. Anyone remember the 1981 Cadillac 8-6-4 that GM was sued--and lost--over?
They still haven't gotten it right..
So, no changes since 1981? 🤣
@@prestonbonner2456 🤣 nope.. them and Dodge finger fucked it and now Ford secretly put it on the 2021 5.0 F150
@@prestonbonner2456 Nothing I would trust as being as reliable as an engine without this additional chance for problems.
Does that belt have a service inspection/replacement specs in your manual?
The E- manual makes no mention. Says to inspect accessory belts at 100K?
Doesn’t matter. Belts can break prematurely at any time. Belt breaks. Bye bye motor. Stupidest thing any car company has ever done. Don’t fix what ain’t broken and this type of thing needs to stay gear driven.
I ordered my 2021 F150 with the V8 engine without the start stop button. My question is that connection to my battery is connected does that mean I have the cylinder deactivation?
yes
Yes, I see this as being a major problem🤦🏽♂️
Oil and rubber belts don’t mix, that won’t end well for Ford. GM is also doing that on the Duramax in the 1500, except its on the back of the engine, so transmission has to be pulled to service it, genius!
Yah that is definitely going to be an issue.
Material science has advanced compounds in belts. It is not “rubber”. Engineering has improved gum bands to be oil resistant.
Ford also switched back to a Metal oil pan and changed the oil weight to 5w-30 from 5w-20
Are you being Funny or did this actually happen? I very much doubt this as a fact
My current model takes 5w20
@@danieljacob9216 Ford tech here, it’s true that they did switch to 5w30. I can’t speak for the metal oil pan though, haven’t looked under one yet.
@@danieljacob9216 I saw it on the oil cap on a 2021.
Did the leveling kit throw off you lane keeping i
cruise control at all?
It all still works perfectly. No issues.
My 5.7 Chrysler Hemi 300C has deactivation. Most 5.7 Hemi engines have it. I only see the 4 cyl light come on when I'm on the interstate driving under 65 which is rare.. Around town or at the track I use Sports mode. It never comes on. I drive my car hard, so it's not an issue for my use. By the way. several other brands use cylinder deactivation like GM. Do some research.
Great video guys, I have the JLT on my 18 5.0 and it’s amazing how much stuff it catches, this one will definitely be going on my 21 , I think you should look at twin turbos , I’ve seen some great systems that look incredible and produce great power, I’m hoping to bypass my cylinder deactivation too but I do believe Ford has done there homework and doesn’t want to follow in GM’s footsteps, cheers brothers 🍻
Thanks Greg! Was this video too long and technical or did we keep you in it the whole time?
@@BackroadDriver This was a great video guys, I was in it the whole time, this is all stuff I want to know on the technical side so it’s perfect, it also brings some great stuff in the comments, keep doing your thing brothers, cheers 🍻
@@gregharvey9135 We appreciate technical aspect that you guys discover. We understand this stuff and Support you letting us know! We need to know what were spending our money on
You know I had a lot of plans for my 2024 F-150 5.0 I picked up on Sunday but unfortunately it’s already leaking more oil than my 2011 Crown Vic
My '17 ram 5.7 had cylinder deactivation, it worked perfectly. But if ya didn't want it, you could override it.
thats what I was thinking, there has got to be a ForScan code or something
Cylinder deactivation will slaughter the 5.0s reliability rating. it will not end good. talk to the guys on F150forum they probably have a forscan code for yall
I'm watching that thread. We'll see.
Hoping for the best!
The 20 and down oil pump is not "chain" driven.
The previous oil pump design WAS the weak link of the Coyote. Ford engineers have stated that this design has been tested to withstand 1000 hp. The old one...not so much.
That’s what we are finding out. This may be a blessing.
Yeah the old oil pump was such a problem that Ford Performance crate engines wouldn't even use it. They would literally pull that pump off as soon as the engine assemblies showed up.
I didn’t know about the rubber belt driven oil pump when I bought my 2021 5.0 🤦🏼♂️.
Neither do all of the 3.0 Duramax owners. Theirs is inside the oil pan and requires a costly teardown every 150k miles.
Is it a preventive maintenance thing that the owner of the truck is required to do and come out of pocket?
I haven’t looked into to, but I’d imagine their is a service internal on the belt
My 2014 hemi v8 had deactivation. Only kicked on cruise control
Fixing to buy a 2021 f150 5.0 in the next few months. After the factory warranty, that cylinder deactivation will be deleted if available.
I think you are right. We are working on a fix. If we figure it out we will post a video.
Maybe by then, they’ll be a kit to fix the oil pump belt issue as well.
Does this 'new' 5.0 version still have the 'Plasma Cylinder Liners'..... and do they, thus, still have oil consumption issues, or have they gone back to the iron cylinder liners?
Its a v8, it will consum lots of oil. Just like all us v8's.
@@MasterCarguy44-pk2dqtf are u talkin about .
In my Silverado in v4 mode with exhaust it sounds like it running underwater. Kind of weird.
Lol it dose. Never thought of it like that
Wow, a rubber oil pump belt. Is that to save money. A rubber belt will not last, wow, the repair bills 💵
Yeah if they would build it with good steel materials and spec at least 5w30 oil, I cant see why even minimal oil splash would not keep the chain alive for longer than a belt.
I thought driving mode(Sport) would exclude engine deactivation
Putting the truck in manual mode, tow haul, and sport defeats cylinder deactivation. Luckily tuning is now available to completely deactivate cylinder deactivation.
Alabama Ford has at least 6 after market exhausts available.
I know that Town and Country has them for pre order. My exhaust video was about how to take a 15-20 exhaust system and make it work on a 21. We will be meeting up with Mitchell for a video collab soon so stay tuned!