2021 Ford F150 5.0 V8 Cylinder Deactivation & Oil Pump Belt Defeated! - It Wasn't All Bad...
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- 2021 Ford F150 5.0 V8 Cylinder Deactivation & Oil Pump Belt Defeated! - It Wasn't All Bad...
- In this video we are going to tell you about three upgraded parts in the 2021 Ford F150 5.0 V8 that make the engine better than the prior gen 2 5.0 V8. These upgrades were made by Ford because of the new cylinder deactivation function. The upgraded kevlar oil pump belt, the high flow billet oil pump, and upgraded piston rings make this motor stronger. We are going to show you how to delete cylinder deactivation and auto stop start in one simple step that is completely reversible. Did Ford give us a better Coyote in the Gen 4 motor and give us an easy way to deactivate it?
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Cylinder deactivation and autostart stop has been the worst thing to ever come to automobiles
The 5.0 is definitely a great motor I have a 2013 with 270,000 miles on it no problems with the engine just regular maintenance
You guys do a great job, very informative. Thank you!
Great information here Gents. Solid video!
Thanks Backroad Driver. I really appreciate this information.
Thank you guys you guys are awesome 👍
Got it,,,,, i ordered one for my new f150 when it gets here,,,,, great videos that you guys do !!!!!
Great information on this engine thanks for sharing this information. Great video.
Great info guys!
This is GREAT info ! Thank You !
Favorite channel on the tube!! Keep up the awesome content 😎
I hope Ford never stops selling the v8
It's fastly become the least reliable engine in the F150 lineup. Cylinder deactivation, and a wet belt driven oil pump is not conducive to reliability. Ford is making their trucks harder and harder to work on...trying checking the fluid level on your 10 speed and you'll see my point.
@@mmholling87 I respect your single opinion , but I have 2 in my work fleet and brother has 1 , no issues brother , ford for life
@@jtjtrs8806 cylinder deactivation and the belt driven oil pump are brand new for 2021. We don't have much data to see their long term reliability. The 10 speeds also has issues. The previous 5.0 and 6 speed were indestructible.
@@mmholling87 you just answered your self , not real life data to prove, you talking bad about something with out proof just make you seem like a hater , you might not be but it shows ,
@@jtjtrs8806 you honestly think a rubber belt is going to last longer than a pump running off a crankshaft using a steel gear? Name one other engine that uses this design? I'm an actually mechanic and not a contractor working on houses. You have 3 trucks....I've seen thousands.
Very interesting guys. I love that you have man on the “inside”.
I have a 2016 rebel with only 36000 mile and it just started tapping , this cylinder deactivation is such Abad idea. Even if I fix it in still going to be worrying when will it happen again. Thank you for your in put im looking to change to a f150 5.0 . You help take away some fear. Will wait on more up dates from yiu guy. God bless.
That trick disabled auto start/stop, too? I am sold!
Great channel guys!
Just picked up my '21 FX4 5.0 yesterday. This will be the first thing I do!
Look into forscan. Free software and you can disable the battery monitoring system easily with that. Just need an ob2 dongle. You can also enable a lot of other cool features.
Placed my order today for a 2022 f150 5.0 and it’s now an option to cancel Deactivation. X52 is the option and it doesn’t cost anything. The dealer said it’s due to shortage of chips that has caused Ford to offer it. So HELL YEAH
You’re dealer lied to you. 52x is the auto start stop eliminator, meaning your engine won’t shut off and run on aux power when at red lights and stop signs. Dealers want you to believe this rids the engine dripping cylinders but it doesn’t. You know more about the 5.0 from 5 minutes on TH-cam than any ford salesman. They’re all scum and it’s time to let us Americans buy straight from the factory and cut out dealerships.
Are you sure that’s not the start stop delete?
@@cliffmorrison1130 it's start/stop...... I just got mine ordered without because of the chip shortage lol. Let's Go Brandon!!!
Same here, I ordered my 5.0 stx but I just saw auto/stop start delete, I wonder if it also come with deactivation .
While I'm not a proponent of cylinder deactivation, in overhead cam engines, they simply use a cam profile change to institute it. It doesn't require the fancy valve lifters in an pushrod setup that often fail causing damage to the cam lobes. OHC engines either directly accurate the rocker arms, or use direct tappets. I just feel it's rather pointless when VVT already retards timing on all cylinders at the same time, also reducing fuel burn. Since 3rd gen, the 5.0 just isn't as durable a motor in general. The 2.7 may have an oil pump belt, but I've never seen one fail early personally, and it isn't common at all. Everything else about that motor is built like a tank, and stock to stock, it will hand a 5.0 it's lunch. That being said, the 5.0 is still light years better than any has motor from GM or Dodge.
Thanks! Just drove home my regular cab short box 4x4 coyote home last Tuesday. Really appreciate the gen 4 update info and quick tip on the cylinder de-activation. Hopefully something like the Range plug in module will be available soon for the F150. As an aside, I ordered it to my specs in November of 2020 and it just got here.
Coming back to this video because I just got my own 2021 F-150 XL SuperCab STX 4x4 5.0 in Lead Foot Gray! Definitely gonna do this and other things too! Gonna watch your exhaust video again next. Much love from Texas!
Unplugging a wire one I can access its 2021 I can deal with that!! Nice job fella's!!
Great info brothers, this and my jlt catch can will be the first things I do on my 2021 when it gets here, I wish the aftermarket would get going on products for theses trucks, I’m hoping my S&B cold air intake off my 2018 will fit by just blocking the unneeded vacuum port 🤞, great video guys, love your channel so much, cheers
Cylinder deactivation is the reason there isn't a new truck in my driveway this year.
It's super simple to disable with forscan
@@mattgerb17 if be worried that doing that could cause lifter failures like on the hemis and chevys when you disable it without doing the physical delete.
@@Prestiged_peck physical delete? No idea what that means. The lifters in them were only failing when those cyl were deactivated.
@@mattgerb17 the hemi guys I've talked to have told me they fail in v8 mode usually, they cut a lot of oil flow when they go to v8 mode, and when you swap to non-dod lifters you also permanently unblock the oil pressure that used to be used for DOD, and make it pressurize the lifters 24/7. Otherwise why wouldn't they just unplug the solenoids so they can't collapse the lifters and not have to buy a bunch of extra parts?
If only the public at large were educated and cared. Fuck these companies
Really like your channel guys. Thanks for great Ford content. I'm considering a new F150 and your videos are greatly helpful. I'm also a Mustang guy and have a 2012 Boss 302 (white on black) in the garage with just 25K all original miles. She's a keeper for sure! Stay safe and healthy.
Thanks Michael! Don’t keep us a secret. Share our channel with your friends.
Keep an eye out for aftermarket dongles to fit between the 2 connectors for that as well. Great info, thx
Lol dongles, such a funny word
Great video guys
Very interesting! It'll be great when/if there comes a plug-in for that connection to deactivate, but keep the warning lights from coming on, etc.
Thanks for the video, like always good stuff guys. I’m definitely doing this right this second. Has Sam had a chance to test the falcons while towing yet? Cheers
Thanks Gents! That’s some dangerous mods 😃....
Have you guys put out a video regarding 3.5 vs 5.0? Quality. Longevity. Etc.
Also, thoughts on the hybrid vs. 5.0? Thanks guys. Keep up the good work.
Thanx
I wasn't happy that they also did away with steel sleeves in the cylinder walls.
Ford said that BMW helped them with the new process of plasma arc the cylinder walls. Also a oil separator is a plus on this motor.
The problem with unplugging that battery monitor cable from that BMS sensor is that now you actually change the charge rate at which it keeps the battery charged in that vehicle
now I'm not saying it's not going to be sufficient but the vehicle may see that as an issue and it starts shutting down features online that create an issue for the customer because it can't monitor the battery
so it says you know what let's disable the passive entry system
let's disable the door keypad
let's disable ambient lighting these are things that are not needed for the vehicle to run if we can't see what's going on with the battery
Now I've had people try to disable their auto start stop in older vehicles and this was a problem because they go up there and they unplug that or unplug the connector underneath that the trailer brake module to stop the auto start stop and then other things start disabling inside the vehicle and I had to track down what they were doing to put all that bad information to rest because it eventually down the road started affecting other things that were not working on the system
Theoretically all you'd have to do is save a junk old battery just enough to get the vehicle to start leave the battery monitor on board with that bad battery let's just say 60 to 70% charge rate that that battery has or life I should say lifespan and it will disable that it'll start stop and active fuel management anyway and then take the regular battery and put it back in the truck and until everything is reset it's going to stay disabled. I don't know I just wanted to put this here so people have more information I don't think people quite understand these systems like they think they do it actually works much more complicated than what most technicians even care to realize but when you get into the description and operation on how the system works there's several pages of what that battery monitor system actually does it's more than just the few things that you mentioned in this video
Love your content guys, just got my 21 5.0 last week and love it, I’m just curious, where do y’all get your information on the cylinder deactivation? Thanks!
Ford always insisted that wet belts are solid and they proved them out yet I've seen those belted disintegrate on the 1.0L Ecoboost. It's cheap and that's why Ford went with it. They are confident the belt will last the warranty period, that's it.
Thanks guys I just ordered a 21 platinum and especially concerned about bypassing the aggravating start stop feature as well as 4-6-8. Great to see to brothers working together and foresure going to have a channel that will be hugely successful soon. Just don't let that successful screw up your brotherly love for each other. Thanks again
Wow, that was easy. My Grandpa would have bought a 2021 with the 5.0, of course that stuff would need to go. My dad may be getting one in a couple years so definitely thank you
or just order it with out start stop
Great info
@Boosted F-150 in the house! Thanks for the love!
HELL YEAH! This is the kind of content I wanted to see about the 2021 F150 5.0 motor! I’m definitely considering a new F150 instead of waiting even longer to make my Bronco reservation into an order! I really like the SuperCab 4x4 5.0L with the STX package in Lead Foot Grey. Much love from Texas, y’all!
Thanks Lucas!
We have 2 Broncos coming and we have a ‘96 Bronco build started on the channel.
Awesome now all Ford needs to do is mate the V8 to the 7.5 kw generator and I am in...from a GM Guy!!
I love Fords, I have two brothers, so I subscribed 👍🏾
Thanks Archie!
Cylinder deactivation shines when you’re going downhill. When I would go home from Calgary to south of Kelowna (~680km) from a full 98L tank, I would have a quarter tank left. And I wasn’t always easy on the pedal, plus construction zones. Going back was sketchy on a single tank. I think I made it one time.
I love the 136 litre tank on my 2020, we go to Edmonton to Kelowna on one tank
Just got my 21 f150 stx 5.0 last week. Hope it won't be the last of the v8s. It has tons of power and the engine sounds awesome.
How much you pay? Looking at trading in my 2014 stx 5.0
Have you put premium in it yet? If not do so, it's actually factory tuned for it and pulls timing on 87
@@Bighoss22 48k but compared to my 08 f150 its a lariat lol
Sheesh just picked mine up for $40k today
21 4x4 STX w the 5.0
The battery monitoring system does more than decide about activating auto start/stop. It also varies the load on the alternator to provide the right amount of voltage to the battery depending on the battery charge state. With the monitoring system deactivated, the controlling computer thinks the battery voltage is low and will default to max charging all the time and not only cause extra drag on the engine it might over charge the battery.
Extra drag on engine? maybe. Over charging the Alt? No. Ford BMSs keep the batteries at too low a state of charge anyway.
yeah I really don't like the idea of doing this...like another comment said you still have to push a button to bypass the warning screen on startup, why not just push the auto start/stop off button and leave the battery monitor alone? Plus I'd bet the Ford Pass smartphone app will complain about it too and you'll end up with a ton of alerts if you defeat the battery monitoring system...
Great video, did you finally give your truck a name? I still say Space Ghost!
Excellent!!!!!
Great information. Knew you would get it. Time for the super charger! (P.S. Did Sam exfoliate? He looks extra handsome today.)
We didn't have a chain driven oil pump before. It was slipped directly onto the crank
My 2021 5.0 burns oil on every startup. It went from full on the dipstick to add oil after 800 miles. The truck has 3300 miles on it and is going in to the dealer this week.
So glad mine came with cylinder deactivation deleted. Best thing the chip shortage as ever done for me 🤣.
How do you know it came with cylinder deactivation deleted?
Pretty sure it might have came with auto start stop deleted but cylinder deactivation is still active on the 5.0 V8.
@@BackroadDriver 👍
Great video ...are you saying the oil pump gears ready for high horsepower applications now? No upgrade required like you did on Brad's truck ?
Great channel. Looking at the VMP superchargers because of this channel. Crazy question but how much was your gas mileage effected on the WOLF when you made the switch. That’s assuming you have driven a full tank of gas without Multiple burnouts.
I just pray by the time I get my new Ford 150 that V-8’s are still available.
Good stuff
Poor Sam. Workers Compensation my brother.
Great video. I think Ford has the best half ton even if the Toyota might last longer.
I've got a 2022 5.0 KR on order, and only way I was able to get it scheduled to be built is if I added the stop/start delete option...wonder how that plays into the battery management system or if I'll even have that plug.
Nice vid guys. Might give it a go. Prolly need some gloves /s
I have a 2021 STX 4X4 . My truck doesn’t have the stop start feature. As a mater of fact it’s on my window sticker saying it doesn’t have it , of course there was a small charge added to the truck for the elimination of the stop start .
Great info, also I’ve yet to hear of any problems with this motor due to cylinder deactivation.
I’ll be interested in seeing what the GEN COM line is signaling that alternator to charge at after leaving the IBS unplugged
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ABOUT 2018 - 2020 5.0 LITER F-150 ENGINE OIL CONSUMPTION.
Long life for the v8
Do you have any tips for the 2020 F-150 3.5 ?
Y’all make some great content
What source is cited about potential CD related issues with the 5.0. Just brought a 2021 SXT home-love the truck and power of the Coyote, however, the 10-speed trans takes time to acclimate with. Ram had lubrication issues related to its CD, just wondering what Ford’s techs or mechanics note. Really like your channel.
I wonder if you can disable that feature with ForScan
That mod I think even Brad can do🤣
Did the new rings solve the oil burning issue.
I just ordered a 2021 F 150 5.0. (in Sept 2021)... On the order form I deleted Auto Stop/Start. Will this effect cylinder deactivation? Does it void the warranty? Thanks for the videos!
The belt is similar to Harley Davidson drive belt... Deactivation cylinders turned into a failure for General Motors years ago because of the wear from firing and not firing cylinders and I believe I heard that Sport Mode turns it off while driving
Have you had with oil consumption on that truck mine is a 21 and uses it
If I want a 4 cyl. I'll buy one, nothing but true v8.
Can you do this to a 2020 XLT?
You guys have any Raptor videos?
I did the same thing you did on my 22 F150. Didn’t stop my CD
Another thing that ford engineers have said as well is to use a slightly thicker oil like 30 weight or preferably 40 weight. 50 is recommended only for heavy towing or track use because of the engine load causing the bearings to possibly be split out and the film shearing. Ford for the mustang gt say to use 20 weight but a guy took it on the track but didn't use 50 weight and ford said racing is allowed but for that application the wrong oil was used. If you pay to get a bolt on supercharger on your 5.0 from ford they'll switch your oil cap to say 50 weight even though they didn't change anything else inside, just threw a bolt on in. That really tells you everything. Overhead cam engines can use thicker oil than the overhead valve in my new truck. I ran both 10 and 15w-40 in my old f150 instead of 5w-20 piss and that's the reason why my 5.4 lasted beyond 200k and without any oil burning or valve train issues at all. Ford later admitted that the thin oil is crap but they had to for cafe standards. In south America and Australia where they didn't recommend 20 weight for that exact engine is where they didn't have issues like over here. Thank goodness I used my intuition and still used thicker oil. I'd highly recommend ford's diesel oil for these gas engines or shell rotella. The anti wear package on both is one of the highest you can get at any walmart. And no diesel oil doesn't harm engines that dont burn oil. If it burns oil it will accelerate the poisoning of the cat but the both the anti wear package and viscosity of the oil is what prevents that in the first place however if you start using it before it burns oil. so do so if you actually care about your engine. Dont if you'd rather have been counter Gov regulations ruin your engine.
just picked up a brand new 2021 F-150 STX....we noticed at some stop lights the engine r's and oil pressure dropped off to zero...now, 3 months later, doesn't do this anymore...is that a problem ?
Just so everyone knows....the cylinders do NOT stop and start rotating. Only the fuel stops flowing to the cylinder....so the engine life is not compromised at all. The only thing compromised is sound....the exhaust sounds different when you have modified the pipes, and cyls are deactivated.
Your clueless. Engine life is heavily compromised with dod. History is your friend, try and do some research going back to the 70’s when this idea originally came out, it freezes valves in various positions in those 3 or 4 cylinders
My 21 5.0 came with the auto start/stop delete option, I just have a blank where that button goes. This video equates cylinder deactivation to the battery monitoring system to the auto start/stop feature. Question is, does that mean I do not have cylinder deactivation?
Does it work the same on a xl without all of that? I don't have auto start/stop.I have a 23 xl 5.0
What is the wear life of the belt versus a chair system? I got 392,000 out of my original motor and chain.
That's how I killed the start stop on my 18 lol with no lights
I'd advice caution. This isn't some mechanical fix like a heater core valve fix for Ram trucks that is clear in consequences.
Don't mess with sensors because you don't know what's behind the scenes and if codes were written in ways that handles missing sensor data. Modern car's electronics are complex, you might create a problem elsewhere down the road. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies perfectly to electronics.
I've watched other videos recently that demonstrated that Ford changed the deactivation setup so it can't be turned off easily.
At one time I believe you could disable the on / off starting with a trailer plug adapter that thinks you are pulling a trailer. Perhaps that was GM that had that.
What kind of exhaust do you have on this truck? Sounds great
Check out this video where we installed the exhaust. It's by AWE Tuning. At the time there were no exhausts ready that fit the 21 f150. AWE is in the prototype stage for their new exhaust to fit the 21s.th-cam.com/video/vxbwEkiLIIA/w-d-xo.html
Wonder what cylinders this gen4 has and if the heads are different from gen3. Also I understand no tuning is available for this gen4 5.0 F150 🤔
Can you just pull the deactivation switch out of the dash and tie the wires together Then put the switch back in?I saw that done on a different vehicle
16' chevy for two yrs,then new 19' tundra TRD, but now I'm eyeing the lariat F150 just undecided on the 5.0 or 3.5
Get the Coyote 5.0L, you won't be disappointed.
@@chrism.728 I totally agree brother.
Did you figure out how to actually disable the CD?
I need to go waste some time on forscan, have sport mode as default and turn off auto start stop.
I have a 2021 silverado with the same, I bought a deactivation plug in module and to also stops the auto stop. And
Just did an AFM delete on mine. FYI, the lifter design is the problem. Those modules do deactivate AFM, but installing an AFM delete kit + ecm tune is the only way to actually prevent lifter failure. Statistically you probably won't have an issue but if you do, Texas speed basic dod/afm delete kit and a tune from mailordertuner if you want stock drivability and v8 power always on.
IMO if it can stop a bullet I’d be surprised if it couldn’t hold up on tension pressure
Is this on the 2023? I just bought it last week..
if I unplugged my cylinder deactivation and plugged it back in after a while, is it going to cause problems?
Oil pump should help. Hopefully
Cylinder deactivation is good, here's how to bypass it so it doesn't destroy your engine. Disable your battery monitor so you get to click OK every time you start up instead of clicking the other button every time. As a bonus you don't have to be bothered by an alert telling you that your battery or alternator is starting to go bad, you get to enjoy the surprise no-start!
Billions of miles have been driven without vehicles telling people when their alternator or battery was "going bad", and nobody died. Put your big boy pants on.
the 2nd button is start/stop button that u no longer have to hit
@@bobbybarnes1652 I didn't say anyone would die, put your big boy pants on and understand that it's dumb to eliminate something that might keep you from being stranded. Billions of miles were driven without any of the comfort or safety features we have in today's cars, by your logic we shouldn't care about any of them.
@@DonziGT230 Nobody's gonna be stranded. We all own cell phones. Call a tow truck. Meanwhile, don't wreck your engine with cylinder deactivation. You might want to unwad those panties, big boy.
I’m pretty sure you can go to auto zone and buy just a trailer plug and put it in and it will deactivate both the cylinder deactivation and start/stop. This is because when you are towing a trailer it won’t do either of those things.
Also, I think 5 star tuning can shut it off with a tune.
@@skullhart the cylinder deactivation hasn’t been cracked yet. Tuning isn’t available for the 21 yet that I know of.
Sam you should get that wrist looked at..👍
Can you set sport mode in forscan as the default drive setting to accomplish this?
Stop-start delete plug in from Seattle business available