I would pay good money for a truck with modern technology but built like they were in the 70s.. Big, heavy, and durable with metal that won't dent when the wind blows on it..
I feel you. I still have my 2001 F150 with the 5.4 2 valve motor that I bought new. 240k+ miles and runs great. These motors routinely go 400k+ miles. I am just getting tired of it, lol, but the newer trucks have many more problems, more money to fix etc....
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul Yes they do. I know a guy that has a delivery van with that motor and it has over 400k and it is used hard but he takes care of it.
I still have my 08' dmc duramax and 02 6.0 LS silverado and both have crankshaft driven oil pumps and plan on keeping them until they stop making parts for them 👍🏿
You're right about the engine being done with if the timing belt breaks This one lady I know had a Ford Mustang two and the timing belt broke and ended up putting a valve through the piston , I didn't know the exact mileage but had around 75,000 to 80,000 miles on it
I've seen wet belt use in industrial automation and power transmission for as long as I've been alive. I'm not concerned about the GM belt, or this one for that matter. They last.
That will make me think twice on the 5.0, didn’t hear if you mentioned if Ford requires you to pull the transmission to check the belt.. That is a big deal.
I don’t think the belt driven oil pump will be a big deal, but time will tell And the cylinder deactivation doesn’t seem noticeable or mess with the engine so i also think it will be a huge problem either, though disabling it will probably extend the life of the engine a bit more i hope
Actually the cylinder deactivation on the GM is causing premature wear on the (deactivated) cylinders. Lack of lubrications could be lubrication from the fuel.
True indeed , The best vehicles ever made were the ones back in the 50s through the 70s , One time I had a 1986 Plymouth voyager , One time the air conditioning compressor seized up and a short time later , It blew a head gasket and shortly after it reached 100,000 miles , It blew a head gasket again and luckily a buddy of mine fixed the blown head gasket the second time it blew but the first time the head gasket blew and the air conditioning compressor seized up it was covered under warranty , Another thing about the voyager was it was terrible at passing the emissions test because when I lived in Cuyahoga county Ohio You had a pass an emissions test to be able to renew your licence plates So I got rid of the voyager and got a 1991 ford Econoline with the 300 straight 6 and never had any of the above issues with it and it did excellent in passing the emissions test , Back then , The 300 straight 6 was the best engine Ford made for vans and pickup trucks , Unfortunately I had to get rid of that one because the transmission was starting to go and the floorboards at the rear axle were rusted out really bad , but when I traded it in for another van , This guy at the dealership wanted to buy it directly from me , Even though I told him what was wrong with it but most likely he wanted it because of the engine and it had over 275,000 miles on it and still ran like a champ
Besides the best vehicles ever made were back in the 50s through the 70s , In the 90s , is when Ford made the 300 straight 6 , It was a great engine but was later discontinued Because it was " Too good of an engine " and I've heard of alot about people who had a Ford with the 300 straight 6 with over 300,000 miles on it and still running strong and shortly after that engine was discontinued , Ups bought the rest of those engines for their trucks The 300 straight 6 definitely had good low end torque when towing a trailer and when you need quick acceleration to merge onto the interstate
Ford has had belts running in oil since 2014 with the 1.0L EcoBoost engine. On that engine the oil pump belt and the timing belt both run in oil. Now, we didn't sell a bunch of them but up to this point we've seen zero issues with the once we did. I don't expect to see any issues with them.
@@willl.3353 Ford should be taking care of these people, they know they have a problem. As far as the 1L failure goes I believe it's the belt tensioner that fails causing the belt to shred. Not simply the fact that its running in oil. A chain would have been a better choice in any application running a wet belt, but here we are with many manufacturers still using them, not just Ford...
I’ve seen two 1.0 Ford eco-boost blow up because the belt stripped. The backside of the belt when folded had a ton of cracks. Just about a third of the belt on both engines was completely clean of teeth. Both engines were clean of varnish and had reasonably good records to show me. The belt didn’t break, most of the belt’s teeth ended up in the oil pump pick up. If you have yet to see one, then you’re not looking. Sorry man but they are junk.
Its almost as if Ford is planning forced obsolescence with the Coyote. They put a belt-driven oil pump AND displacement on demand...BOTH of which nobody asked for. And it seems like this will be an engine-out job if/when it goes. Ford also has the belt-driven timing and oil pump on the JLR/Peugeot diesel. Chains....yes, chains are the way to go(with good tensioner, guides, sprockets and such).
The 3.0 diesel oil pump is driven right off the crank shaft FYI. Timing is a belt, however the setup has proven itself reliable since 2005 or whenever the first version of the engine was released, they haven't really ever been an issue, just becomes a maintenance item. There's a lot of speculation that belts are better for low RPM engines such as the diesel due to oscillation harmonics in the chains. Ram had a big issue with that with the chains vibrating too much, and breaking free the press on camshaft cogs.
I feel like Ford refined it better with their new revised engine design. But Ford should do further research on engine durability and protection against elements.
Based on what evidence? Ford repeatedly failed to successfully refine timing chains and cam phasers to not have issues. This guy's speculation is just his internal bias (his bias was out of control back when he ran a Toyota truck fan page and didn't understand transmission failures vs number of trucks sold). Just because Ford doesn't mention inspecting the wet belt doesn't mean they think it's not a potential issue by 150k miles. As far as they are concerned, it's not their problem once the warranty us up.
My buddy put a Cummins with mechanical fuel injection in his 2000 manual trans Silverado. The more I see these new developments the more brilliant he becomes in my eyes.
Tim, please keep us updated on what Ford says. I bought a 2021 with the 5.0 after having a bad experience with the TwinTurbo 2.7. Bought the 5.0 to have less problems. Didn’t know about the belt driven oil pump smh.
@@estebanamador7601 Oil leak, gasoline leak, temperature sensor failed twice, Air vent behind back seat leaking water into vehicle, cloudy spot in windshield, warped dashboard, creaking noise in dashboard, touch screen freeze ups. I must of got a lemon that was built during The unions contract negotiation with Ford 🤦🏼♂️🤕.
I have seen a couple of videos on checking the 5.0 oil level on the new f150 and so far it looks like they have solved the problem, though its just too early to say it has completely solved the issue
There is no controversy. Ford engineers have state that the belt is a Kevlar reinforced, liquid-cooled belt that is supposed to last the lifetime of the engine and has been tested at over 1100 horsepower in their Dyno testing. The change in oil capacity was most likely due to Ford's 19-2365TSB which fixes the "oil consumption problems". They found that some F150's had shorter dipsticks which in turn had too much oil in the engine. Also, the new pump is a high volume billet pump.
100% agree. Hate seeing all of these owners thinking there trucks are burning oil when in fact they’ve just put in too much. I feel like the new pump will be just fine. Hopefully we can soon disable cylinder deactivation.
The belts have been failing anywhere from 62k-142k miles. Both 5.0L, 2.7L, 1.0L with catastrophic engine failure. 29 years as Ford Dealer Mechanic, 13 years ago we rarely seen mechanical failures, now it’s an everyday occurrence. 2010 we had 3 ecoboosts timing chains break in one week under 3k miles, one was at 9 miles during test drive. That same time period our dealership went from 2- 2 yard garbage dumpsters once a week to a 40 yard every other week. Wanna see how something is built look at size of dumpster and what’s in it. Mind boggling the down hill spiral.
Belt has way way less friction than chain. It's more MPG wizardry that sacrifices durability and longevity on the altar of the CAFE God. Thanks for this info. I was impressed about your reporting about the old 262cid Chevy V6 being cancelled next year. I'm not really big on 'internet reporting' but you are doing a good job of it, teasing out some important details.
I'm not surprised with the Ford I am surprised at GM for for the oil pump belt. How about that Ford 2021 corrosion rust on the 21 f150s Bill Ford tough! HUGE RECALL!!! Buy a gas Chevrolet
Just to clarify, the timing chain only drives the camshafts(and water pump if applicable) from the crankshaft via a chain on the Gen 3 and older Coyote engines, along with most engine designs. The oil pump is driven via gerotor(G-Rotor) style pump gears that are keyed onto the crankshaft snout. It's a very reliable system. Why they decided to go to a belt driven design is anybody's guess. Fuel mileage? Cost savings? Maybe. Anything for one more MPG lol
I would bet that Ford does consider it an accessory. I wouldn't be surprised if after watching all the pushback over the GM belt, they took a "mum's the word" approach to calling out specifics....Not to mention the flack over Cylinder deactivation.
It took General Motors and Honda about 8-9 years to figure out how to do it without destroying lifters. They have finally gotten very reliable in the past few years, but both companies STILL see higher mileage examples with more oil consumption than they should have. And there are still occasional issues although they are far less frequent than the 2007-2014 trucks now. I honestly doubt that Ford has this ironed out. It's brand new for them.
I've heard that the oil pump belt is infused with kevlar and that's why it is so much more durable. Thank you for this info because the 2021 V8 is what I'm getting. In the next couple of months
What happened to gear drive oil pump. Belts and chains can fail. It's very unusual for a gear drive to fail in any type of application. Should have kept it a gear drive oil pump.
The powdered metal gear on the crank snout driven oil pump fails, trust me. Not till you supercharge but still it fails, and there are a TON of supercharged coyotes around
any pump can fail, so this depends on how well the system is designed and how durable the belt is the thing is engines are so sophisticated that if the belt fails you will not be able to run the engine at least I would hope you cant
My brother-in-law told me about this change at Ford and used it as an excuse to select a new Tundra instead. Bottomline this really had nothing to do with it as he was going to purchase the Tundra anyway. I mean if want a specific truck buy it, don't use these factors to make your choice. My argument of course, which was really a waste of time on my part was: Why would any manufacturer use any system or component "as-is" without improving on it? And today, the margin in reliability between each manufacturers truck is razor thin. All trucks have issues from time to time, this includes Toyota. Frankly I am brand agnostic and don't try justify my purchase of one brand over another based on things like this, nor reliability issues 2 decades ago. That being said though, I appreciate you review of this change in the oil pump and also for being pragmatic about it and not an absolutist.
This is a maintenance item which will likely only be done 1-2 times. And it’s easy to do (relatively) with a lift. It’s an oil cooled and lubricated belt. If oil change not neglected these belts will last YEARS! Be happy your still able to drive a V8 or I6 TD. By the time these things are wearing out there won’t likely be any light duty ICE powered trucks around.
Engineers and mechanics both need to be involved in the design process of an engine. I don’t understand why they don’t consult with mechanics more often, it’s incredibly frustrating.
when I was a diy appliance technician we would get calls from people claiming to be engineers... we would respond really why are you calling us for help then sometimes our response would be wow how is Casey Jones doing they are overly educated and no common sense
@@gfinnstrom yeah it’s unreal how big of an ego engineers can have. Never understood it. Like it the crap you’re designing doesn’t hold up longer than a few years even with routine maintenance then you’re not a great engineer
The reason that Ford added the belt in place of the chain was harmonics. The original oil pump driven off of the crank was prone to cracking when someone did any sort of modifications to the engine to increase the horsepower. A belt driven oil pump is just fine as long as you replace the belt when it's time to do so.
You would be surprised how long a belt would last + there are a few ways a conventional oil pump can fail ! some vehicles have multiple chains in the rear that need replacing at 80,000 miles
*FORD IS RECALLING 1.0L ECOBOOST ECOSPORTS BECAUSE TEETH BREAK OFF THE OIL PUMP BELT AND CLOG THE PICK-UP.* It is wet as well. My 2012 2.0L engine has a chain. I have 171,120 miles on it, and it runs like new. My friend has over 305,000 miles on his 2.0L. This engine is bullet proof. Going to a belt WHEN THE TASK HAD ALREADY BEEN PERFECTED is stupid. The belt is cheaper. Plain and simple. That has to be it.
I have read that the reason the wet oil belt in the 1.0l engine was having the teeth break off was that the belt tensioner would fail causing the belt to shred teeth. I have the 2.0l eco also and it has been flawless at 150,000.
I've had to replace belts on injection press part removal robots. They are so tough you have to cut them to the proper length with a cut off wheel. They are reinforced with wires. And harley runs a belt to the back wheel and they last much longer than the chain did.
The previous generation coyotes oil pumps were driven directly off the crankshaft and had minimal failures unless driver induced. The picture you show halfway through the video is also driven off the crankshaft. Know what you are talking about before trying to explain it wrong.
On the hemi ,thats a timing chain. The oil pump runs directly off the crank shaft just like the GM 6 & 8 cyl gas truck engines .The GM i 6 diesel runs at a much lower red line rpm and can get 150 + k life out of the oil pump belt .The 5.0 is anyones guess,especialy with the high oil consumption problems and sprayed in cyl liners.
This belt is at front of crank. Transmission and transfer case do not have to be removed to get to the 5.0 oil pump belt. Harmonics of crank rotation is reduced on v8 vs 6 cylinder.
There seems to be some confusion here between timing belts and chains vs oil pump drives - two completely different things. I think Ford has had issues with the old gear driven oil pumps failing (mostly because of people pumping up the HP) so that is why they went with the belt driven pumps. Unlike a timing belt if a oil pump belt looses a lobe it will not mess up the engine and continue to pump oil.
I own a repair shop and see more timing chain failures these days than timing belts, chains stretch and jump. Ford knows what they're doing I would have zero concern for oil pump belt. As for less oil capacity, check your oil and keep it full, that's why there's a dipstick. USE the dipstick don't BE the dipstick.
One thing is certain. It will not be MORE reliable than the crank mounted oil pumps. They might last hundreds of thousands of miles but it's one more thing that can cause a catastrophic engine failure. The one benefit Ford has is that the belt is in the front of the engine vs the rear on the Dmax. At least you won't have to split the engine to replace it
Wow that’s a relief to know, my buddies 3.0 diesel Chevy must drop the transmission to access the belt and calls for a 80 k mile inspection where they suggest you might as well replace it as long as you got the transmission dropped.😂
They had the pump driven off the crank shaft since the 4.6 first came out and work very well. Engineering always finding away to screw up a good thing. They also screwed up like GM and put cylinder deactivation on the v8.
I wonder if he's aware of the oil consumption update in the older 5.0's? The longer dipstick. Longer dipstick = less oil. IMO, all of the changes he brought up are nothing to worry about.
@@gasolinediesel972 Reason being they have to hit fleet mpg numbers if not they get fine. Why do you think Ford is going to start selling a unit-body truck under the Ranger?
The big controversy over the GM diesel is that the belt is on the back of the engine so you have to take the transmission out to get to it! I have no problem with a belt drive just make it easy enough to get too so it's not $1,000. In labor to get too! Ford was having a problem with oil consumption on the 5.0 and the cure was a new Dip stick so you could put that extra quart in the engine and reprogramming so on deceleration it wouldn't suck up oil.
Yep, I have that 2018 F150 5.0, I took it in because It was using too much oil… it would be below the dipstick after about 1,500 miles and they told me it’s normal for some vehicles to use that much. I’m thinking, who do you think you are talking to. I told the guy “yah right my 68 Chevy pickup did not even use that much”. After Ford gave me the new dipstick and reprogrammed it, it runs a lot better no oil loss and the transmission stop shifting hard. It still makes that vibrating sound every time I let off the gas 🤷 I looked it up before some Electric solenoid.
@@uncleskeetxxl If my measurements were correct, 5.0, F-150 owners with short dipsticks were over-filling their crankcases by almost 2 liters. Not surprisingly, it ends up raising your crankcase pressure, forcing oil out the PCV and back into the intake to be burned. Combine that with the intake runner closing almost completely when stepping off the gas and you get high intake vacuum which makes the problem even worse. The ECM reflash corrects the intake runner, off-throttle position and the new dipstick will prevent overfills. FYI: keep your eyes open for a PO430 code if the check engine light comes on. (catalytic inefficiency, due to fouling from burned oil depositing on catalyst) The longer owners wait to do the TSB, the MORE likely they'll see this code appear. I have a 2019 5.0 F-150 FX4 with ~7000kms (thanks COVID🤣), and I've had ZERO issues since the TSB was performed. Good Luck with yours, I'm lovin' mine.
Yes but pulling the trans once in 200,000 miles really isn't that big of a deal. I would say it's fairly easy compared to some of the FWD cars that have a timing belt jammed up 2 inches away from the wheel well. Pulling a transmission is not that hard.
Much to do about not much! If you want the 5L in an F-150 buy it - drive it and don't worry about crap that may or may not matter in the big picture of things.
Good advice, sometimes I think all this press scares people off for nothing..3.5 eco boost also gets bad press, so what do you do? Buy what you like!👍🏻
It matters if you plan on keeping your vehicle for a long time. If you only plan on keeping your vehicle for a short lease Then yes get anything and it should last that short lease.
@@stevenlefebvre2991 If you keep a truck that long, you'll have a whole bunch of maintenance items needing addressed besides a possible issue with an oil pump drive belt. Good thing this is America and people can buy whatever they want and if you don't like the idea of an oil pump being belt driven, buy another truck or engine. Pretty-Simple! We have a whole host of more pressing issues to be concerned about other than Ford or GM using a belt to drive an oil pump. There's no long term track record for these belts yet, only time will tell if they make the grade or not.
We need an engineers' opinion on the rubber compound used in these new belts. They may be a huge improvement over chains. Also, if additives would hurt the rubber.
All of these new technologies that are having to go into these vehicles to squeeze out the required EPA crap, it just makes me so grateful I bought a Toyota Tundra and don't have to worry about any of this stuff.
Yeah didn’t that make the repairs or maintenance expensive or something like that, since they, i think, had to pull out the transmission to service or repair it
The hemi picture your showing is the the chain drives the camshaft and the oil pump is the aluminum part that encircles the crankshaft and is drive directly by a machined flat service on the crankshaft driving the oil pump
There weren’t really any issues with them on stock trucks. But, when you began to modify them, it became a bit of a weak point because they were not billet
forgetting one main difference . chevy has to drop transmission vs dropping oil pan.i am questioning buying the 5.0 because of the block can no longer be rebuilt. it has spray in cylinder liners vs sleeves .add i n clinger deactivation and the belt . going to have to wait and see how reliable they are before i buy .
@@leeannbowser3068 i believe your thinking rear main seal.in a 4x4 i think you will have to drop front axle doesn't seam to be as labor intensive as chevy.i probably won't be buy a 5.0 any time soon
My 1979 Subaru's 1.6 flat 4 has the oil pump driven directly off a slot on the end of the camshaft. Right under the crank on the front of the engine. The oil filter mounts directly to the pump. Changing the oil pump involves removing 4 bolts and that's it. The oil pump is also rebuildable. The camshaft on that engine is gear driven off the back of the crankshaft. No timing chain, no timing belt. Instead of being driven off the cam, the distributor is driven off the crank. Solid flat tappet lifters. Valves need to be adjusted around every 20,000 miles.
have a 23 5.0. averages 20mpg overall can get 23-24 highway if lucky. I wish you could turn off the cylinder deactivation around town though. If you put it in sport mode you can but it shouldn't kick in under 40mph
The 5.0 already had a poor reputation after the 2018 update. But I'm sure this won't stop people from claiming that trucks need V8s and that turbos are unreliable.
I remember reading Ford had recommended using synthetic oil in the 5.0 but neglected to study the effects of short distance driving. Turned out that the synthetic oil would create a build up due to not reaching suitable operating temperatures. A few owners had rebuilds less than 40,000 miles.
Interesting change. Wonder why? The oil pump driven off the crank seemed foolproof except that the powdered metal gears occasionally broke. They been using this setup since about 91. Maybe they wanted oil pump in the oil or at least a lot closer? Definitely pump oil faster that way. I’m not criticizing ford but I am curious about reason for the change
The second pic you show has my confused. That pic is of the cylinder head and those colored lines are the oil tubes that lubricate the lash adjusters, especially when it goes to 4 cylinders. It doesn't have anybody to do with the belt driven oil pump
I know this is late but since I just recently bought one of these trucks ( my second 5.0 F 150 ) I will just make this comment. The sign next to the speakers head says it all. Pickup Truck “ talk. “
Im curious if the 7.3 oil pump assembly could be mounted on the 5.0 now.. since it appears to have similar bolt pattern and design.. but with a chain..
There are some companies that do that already. Range, Diablo, Pulsar. It’s just pricey, it’ll probably void the warranty, and you have to get the exact programmer for your particular make and model year. In some cases they have to swap in a custom PCM since a lot of companies are locking their PCMs due to “security” concerns.
You should do a pole. How many people have bought a new vehicle and kept it past 150,000 miles. GM's recommended (inspection) of the oil pump belt. I have bought 6 new vehicles and didn't keep any longer then 125,000 miles. Probably sell this truck. When the time is right.
@@jamesbainton I couldn't agree more. EVERY vehicle no matter the brand, will need something by 150k. And it just recommend. Manufacturers testing proved 250k with little wear. On the belt.
Belts really have come a long way. My first car, an 85 buick, needed belts changed constantly. My current vehicle, 2017 gmc, can go 100k with only a belt inspection and possible change. Belts are not going to last as long as a chain or gear drive, but a precautionary inspection/change every 150k is reasonable in my opinion.
I have an 11 Sportage with a accessory belt that has 250000 miles on it. Asked service advisor if I should replace it. He said they've never seen one fail. And it still looks like new. I remember when there was 4 different belts that had different tensions and service life. Heck they all needed checking and possible adjustments every 5000 to 8000 miles.
Doesn't bother me too much as it's a wet belt, and it's kevlar. Would I prefer a gear driven one? yes. Having said that I just bought a 2021 F-150 with the 5.0 and it wasn't something that worried me.
I've watched a few videos and haven't noticed any sound like that on the 5.0L nor has it been mentioned. Granted, I haven't been listening that closely.
The pumps that you are calling chain driven are actually driven directly by the crank. When there were distributors the oil pump was driven by a shaft connected to the bottom of the distributor. They all have a failure point. The 5.0 was known to break the gears(cast gears) in the oil pump. Hopefully thus belt does not break.
You know I have a 20 year old honda push mower with a belt driven cam.. that belt sits in oil all the time to turn that cam from the crank , same belt never broke.. maybe Ford is on to something
Yes. 3.5 and 3.7 for The Edge, Explorer and Flex have the internal chain driven water pump. The rear wheel drive fords do not they have a traditional external water pump. 👍
No kidding, Ford owners would trash talk GMs oil pump belt, now all the sudden there's no problem with it, Like "Why does GM use pushrod engines?", now Ford came out the the 7.3 "Godzilla" pushrod V8, with a 6.8 variant making its way to the F-150 and Stang soon. All the sudden pushrod is cool, and some on TH-cam saying cylinder deactivation is good, they are the same people that think "EcoBoost" is a new technology exclusive to Ford, all it is, is Turbo, Slapping turbos on engines and beefing up the engine has been done for decades. SMH!
Just like how everyone was bashing Ford for using aluminum bodies, and a few years later GM started putting aluminum in their trucks. Not another word about it after that happened. Note: I'm not defending Ford, they've had some inexcusable QC issues with their vehicles. Blind brand loyalty is dumb no matter how it's sliced.
Here is the video on the Duramax and its wet belt: th-cam.com/video/pG0vzuZjito/w-d-xo.html
Not the first time Ford uses a belt instead of the chain. The 3 cylinder ecoboost uses a wet timing belt.
I read that belt for the pump made from Kevlar very strong and durable
Ford had used wet belt-driven oil pumps before GM did.
The more i look at some of these newer trucks the more i think I'll just keep what i have.
I would pay good money for a truck with modern technology but built like they were in the 70s..
Big, heavy, and durable with metal that won't dent when the wind blows on it..
I feel you. I still have my 2001 F150 with the 5.4 2 valve motor that I bought new. 240k+ miles and runs great. These motors routinely go 400k+ miles.
I am just getting tired of it, lol, but the newer trucks have many more problems, more money to fix etc....
@@AJourneyOfYourSoul Yes they do. I know a guy that has a delivery van with that motor and it has over 400k and it is used hard but he takes care of it.
Other than bigger screens trucks built 10 years ago get pretty much the same fuel mileage and will probably last longer then these new pickups.
I still have my 08' dmc duramax and 02 6.0 LS silverado and both have crankshaft driven oil pumps and plan on keeping them until they stop making parts for them 👍🏿
On the Hemi and GM gas engines that oil pump is driven directly off the crank shaft. The chain is for the camshaft only.
Ford also said the 1L timing belt was to last the life of the motor. Technically correct as when the belt fails the motor is done.
But he did not say that the engine will be covered by the warranty. Doll hairs anyone.
I think its supposed to be replaced at 150k
You're right about the engine being done with if the timing belt breaks
This one lady I know had a Ford Mustang two and the timing belt broke and ended up putting a valve through the piston , I didn't know the exact mileage but had around 75,000 to 80,000 miles on it
I've seen wet belt use in industrial automation and power transmission for as long as I've been alive. I'm not concerned about the GM belt, or this one for that matter. They last.
Plus Hondas sohc v6 still uses a belt but I agree chains are better
@@android-ud2nf tell that to 5.4 3v engine owners. Chains are not always better. They are usually less serviceable and more complex than belt systems.
The value of my old vehicles just doubled again! Lol
That will make me think twice on the 5.0, didn’t hear if you mentioned if Ford requires you to pull the transmission to check the belt.. That is a big deal.
Its wont compared to GM
I don’t think the belt driven oil pump will be a big deal, but time will tell
And the cylinder deactivation doesn’t seem noticeable or mess with the engine so i also think it will be a huge problem either, though disabling it will probably extend the life of the engine a bit more i hope
Actually the cylinder deactivation on the GM is causing premature wear on the (deactivated) cylinders. Lack of lubrications could be lubrication from the fuel.
@@noniespam Yes and in most cases due to cylinder deactivation the average life span of the GM 5.3 for example is around 150k
No matter what vehicle you buy, someone's going to tell you it's junk.
Amen.
Fr man
True indeed , The best vehicles ever made were the ones back in the 50s through the 70s , One time I had a 1986 Plymouth voyager , One time the air conditioning compressor seized up and a short time later , It blew a head gasket and shortly after it reached 100,000 miles , It blew a head gasket again and luckily a buddy of mine fixed the blown head gasket the second time it blew but the first time the head gasket blew and the air conditioning compressor seized up it was covered under warranty , Another thing about the voyager was it was terrible at passing the emissions test because when I lived in Cuyahoga county Ohio
You had a pass an emissions test to be able to renew your licence plates
So I got rid of the voyager and got a 1991 ford Econoline with the 300 straight 6 and never had any of the above issues with it and it did excellent in passing the emissions test , Back then , The 300 straight 6 was the best engine Ford made for vans and pickup trucks , Unfortunately I had to get rid of that one because the transmission was starting to go and the floorboards at the rear axle were rusted out really bad , but when I traded it in for another van , This guy at the dealership wanted to buy it directly from me , Even though I told him what was wrong with it but most likely he wanted it because of the engine and it had over 275,000 miles on it and still ran like a champ
Besides the best vehicles ever made were back in the 50s through the 70s , In the 90s , is when Ford made the 300 straight 6 , It was a great engine but was later discontinued Because it was " Too good of an engine " and I've heard of alot about people who had a Ford with the 300 straight 6 with over 300,000 miles on it and still running strong and shortly after that engine was discontinued , Ups bought the rest of those engines for their trucks
The 300 straight 6 definitely had good low end torque when towing a trailer and when you need quick acceleration to merge onto the interstate
Ford has had belts running in oil since 2014 with the 1.0L EcoBoost engine. On that engine the oil pump belt and the timing belt both run in oil. Now, we didn't sell a bunch of them but up to this point we've seen zero issues with the once we did. I don't expect to see any issues with them.
Now in 2023 there is a class action lawsuit on the 1L oil pump/belt.
Who could have saw that happening?
@@willl.3353 Ford should be taking care of these people, they know they have a problem. As far as the 1L failure goes I believe it's the belt tensioner that fails causing the belt to shred. Not simply the fact that its running in oil. A chain would have been a better choice in any application running a wet belt, but here we are with many manufacturers still using them, not just Ford...
I’ve seen two 1.0 Ford eco-boost blow up because the belt stripped. The backside of the belt when folded had a ton of cracks. Just about a third of the belt on both engines was completely clean of teeth.
Both engines were clean of varnish and had reasonably good records to show me.
The belt didn’t break, most of the belt’s teeth ended up in the oil pump pick up.
If you have yet to see one, then you’re not looking.
Sorry man but they are junk.
@@Justacogg My reply was over 3 years ago. As of this moment I'm in full agreement with you. Lol
Its almost as if Ford is planning forced obsolescence with the Coyote. They put a belt-driven oil pump AND displacement on demand...BOTH of which nobody asked for. And it seems like this will be an engine-out job if/when it goes. Ford also has the belt-driven timing and oil pump on the JLR/Peugeot diesel. Chains....yes, chains are the way to go(with good tensioner, guides, sprockets and such).
The 3.0 diesel oil pump is driven right off the crank shaft FYI. Timing is a belt, however the setup has proven itself reliable since 2005 or whenever the first version of the engine was released, they haven't really ever been an issue, just becomes a maintenance item. There's a lot of speculation that belts are better for low RPM engines such as the diesel due to oscillation harmonics in the chains. Ram had a big issue with that with the chains vibrating too much, and breaking free the press on camshaft cogs.
I feel like Ford refined it better with their new revised engine design. But Ford should do further research on engine durability and protection against elements.
Based on what evidence? Ford repeatedly failed to successfully refine timing chains and cam phasers to not have issues. This guy's speculation is just his internal bias (his bias was out of control back when he ran a Toyota truck fan page and didn't understand transmission failures vs number of trucks sold). Just because Ford doesn't mention inspecting the wet belt doesn't mean they think it's not a potential issue by 150k miles. As far as they are concerned, it's not their problem once the warranty us up.
My buddy put a Cummins with mechanical fuel injection in his 2000 manual trans Silverado. The more I see these new developments the more brilliant he becomes in my eyes.
Tim, please keep us updated on what Ford says. I bought a 2021 with the 5.0 after having a bad experience with the TwinTurbo 2.7. Bought the 5.0 to have less problems. Didn’t know about the belt driven oil pump smh.
What kind of problems did you have with your 2.7? Thanks and greetings.
@@estebanamador7601 Oil leak, gasoline leak, temperature sensor failed twice, Air vent behind back seat leaking water into vehicle, cloudy spot in windshield, warped dashboard, creaking noise in dashboard, touch screen freeze ups. I must of got a lemon that was built during The unions contract negotiation with Ford 🤦🏼♂️🤕.
Honestly I drove the new Powerboost hybrid followed by the 5.0l V8 and preferred the V8 hands-down. I think you made the right choice.
I have seen a couple of videos on checking the 5.0 oil level on the new f150 and so far it looks like they have solved the problem, though its just too early to say it has completely solved the issue
Coyote V8 has called for 5w20 since day 1 in 2011.
There is no controversy. Ford engineers have state that the belt is a Kevlar reinforced, liquid-cooled belt that is supposed to last the lifetime of the engine and has been tested at over 1100 horsepower in their Dyno testing.
The change in oil capacity was most likely due to Ford's 19-2365TSB which fixes the "oil consumption problems". They found that some F150's had shorter dipsticks which in turn had too much oil in the engine. Also, the new pump is a high volume billet pump.
100% agree. Hate seeing all of these owners thinking there trucks are burning oil when in fact they’ve just put in too much. I feel like the new pump will be just fine. Hopefully we can soon disable cylinder deactivation.
The belts have been failing anywhere from 62k-142k miles. Both 5.0L, 2.7L, 1.0L with catastrophic engine failure. 29 years as Ford Dealer Mechanic, 13 years ago we rarely seen mechanical failures, now it’s an everyday occurrence. 2010 we had 3 ecoboosts timing chains break in one week under 3k miles, one was at 9 miles during test drive. That same time period our dealership went from 2- 2 yard garbage dumpsters once a week to a 40 yard every other week. Wanna see how something is built look at size of dumpster and what’s in it. Mind boggling the down hill spiral.
@@ethanspruill7539 a lot of coyotes are burning oil, the tsb did not fix the problem for everyone.
I bet that belt won't last over 600k miles like my crankshaft driven oil pump that's on my 08 duramax
That F150 belt is a KEVLAR infused belt and has been dyno tested to 1100 HP ! I think it's just fine !!
I agree, I haven't heard of one failing yet.
@@redbull8661yep I’m with you guys Kevlar is good
Wow. Thanks for the heads up! I give GM credit for dealing with it instead of making it an unseen detail.
Thanks again Tim!!
Belt has way way less friction than chain. It's more MPG wizardry that sacrifices durability and longevity on the altar of the CAFE God. Thanks for this info. I was impressed about your reporting about the old 262cid Chevy V6 being cancelled next year. I'm not really big on 'internet reporting' but you are doing a good job of it, teasing out some important details.
Crikey! I just switched to Ford and they start this nonsense? I think I should just get an old tractor to drive around.
I approve driving an old tractor around!
Bad idea you're better off with a Chevy all the way around!!!
I'm not surprised with the Ford I am surprised at GM for for the oil pump belt.
How about that Ford 2021 corrosion rust on the 21 f150s Bill Ford tough!
HUGE RECALL!!!
Buy a gas Chevrolet
Get a RAM
Just to clarify, the timing chain only drives the camshafts(and water pump if applicable) from the crankshaft via a chain on the Gen 3 and older Coyote engines, along with most engine designs. The oil pump is driven via gerotor(G-Rotor) style pump gears that are keyed onto the crankshaft snout. It's a very reliable system. Why they decided to go to a belt driven design is anybody's guess. Fuel mileage? Cost savings? Maybe. Anything for one more MPG lol
The crank-mount pumps are a bad idea, especially with the sump being underneath and at the back of the engine.
I would bet that Ford does consider it an accessory. I wouldn't be surprised if after watching all the pushback over the GM belt, they took a "mum's the word" approach to calling out specifics....Not to mention the flack over Cylinder deactivation.
It took General Motors and Honda about 8-9 years to figure out how to do it without destroying lifters. They have finally gotten very reliable in the past few years, but both companies STILL see higher mileage examples with more oil consumption than they should have. And there are still occasional issues although they are far less frequent than the 2007-2014 trucks now.
I honestly doubt that Ford has this ironed out. It's brand new for them.
It’s hilarious how when GM has a belt driven oil pump y’all have a field day, but when Ford does it y’all try justifying and praising them
Cause Ford is the best selling truck in the world so it must be the best truck
@@jsboening ya it’s sad how people will blindly praise corporate companies for fucking them
I don't recall anyone bashing GM for an oil pump belt... Belts are strong AF these days, they'll last the life of the engine
I completely agree with you. Idc who's doing it, I'd prefer to see a great driven oil pump or the original design in use.
@@jsboening I have it, Just buy a Toyota.
I've heard that the oil pump belt is infused with kevlar and that's why it is so much more durable. Thank you for this info because the 2021 V8 is what I'm getting. In the next couple of months
2 years later how's it been? I'm getting my 2023 with the 5.0 in the next couple weeks
What happened to gear drive oil pump. Belts and chains can fail. It's very unusual for a gear drive to fail in any type of application. Should have kept it a gear drive oil pump.
The powdered metal gear on the crank snout driven oil pump fails, trust me. Not till you supercharge but still it fails, and there are a TON of supercharged coyotes around
Nice photo of Bart Star sneaking the ball in the foot ball game on the frozen lambeau field, I remember waching it live on tv years a go.
You know, that’s a hell of an idea. I don’t think I’ve seen the whole game. Just snippets. I’m sure it’s online somewhere.
any pump can fail, so this depends on how well the system is designed and how durable the belt is the thing is engines are so sophisticated that if the belt fails you will not be able to run the engine at least I would hope you cant
My brother-in-law told me about this change at Ford and used it as an excuse to select a new Tundra instead. Bottomline this really had nothing to do with it as he was going to purchase the Tundra anyway. I mean if want a specific truck buy it, don't use these factors to make your choice.
My argument of course, which was really a waste of time on my part was: Why would any manufacturer use any system or component "as-is" without improving on it?
And today, the margin in reliability between each manufacturers truck is razor thin. All trucks have issues from time to time, this includes Toyota.
Frankly I am brand agnostic and don't try justify my purchase of one brand over another based on things like this, nor reliability issues 2 decades ago.
That being said though, I appreciate you review of this change in the oil pump and also for being pragmatic about it and not an absolutist.
Improvement would have been fitting a billet gear oil pump not a belt
This is a maintenance item which will likely only be done 1-2 times. And it’s easy to do (relatively) with a lift. It’s an oil cooled and lubricated belt. If oil change not neglected these belts will last YEARS!
Be happy your still able to drive a V8 or I6 TD. By the time these things are wearing out there won’t likely be any light duty ICE powered trucks around.
LMAO "engineers know what they are talking about" why because their computer told them so??? Said NO mechanic EVER!!!
Engineers and mechanics both need to be involved in the design process of an engine. I don’t understand why they don’t consult with mechanics more often, it’s incredibly frustrating.
@@SP-fl9wv it is beyond their pride it makes them feel superior over the mechanics that have to repair the bs mistakes
when I was a diy appliance technician we would get calls from people claiming to be engineers... we would respond really why are you calling us for help then sometimes our response would be wow how is Casey Jones doing they are overly educated and no common sense
@@gfinnstrom yeah it’s unreal how big of an ego engineers can have. Never understood it. Like it the crap you’re designing doesn’t hold up longer than a few years even with routine maintenance then you’re not a great engineer
@@SP-fl9wv they call it job security :)
The initial fill is 8.5 qts so there is a quart in the circuit which includes the filter.
The reason that Ford added the belt in place of the chain was harmonics. The original oil pump driven off of the crank was prone to cracking when someone did any sort of modifications to the engine to increase the horsepower. A belt driven oil pump is just fine as long as you replace the belt when it's time to do so.
That’s stupid af
You would be surprised how long a belt would last + there are a few ways a conventional oil pump can fail ! some vehicles have multiple chains in the rear that need replacing at 80,000 miles
I dont know whats worse a belt driven oil pump or a one time use oil pan.
*FORD IS RECALLING 1.0L ECOBOOST ECOSPORTS BECAUSE TEETH BREAK OFF THE OIL PUMP BELT AND CLOG THE PICK-UP.* It is wet as well. My 2012 2.0L engine has a chain. I have 171,120 miles on it, and it runs like new. My friend has over 305,000 miles on his 2.0L. This engine is bullet proof. Going to a belt WHEN THE TASK HAD ALREADY BEEN PERFECTED is stupid. The belt is cheaper. Plain and simple. That has to be it.
I have read that the reason the wet oil belt in the 1.0l engine was having the teeth break off was that the belt tensioner would fail causing the belt to shred teeth. I have the 2.0l eco also and it has been flawless at 150,000.
I've had to replace belts on injection press part removal robots. They are so tough you have to cut them to the proper length with a cut off wheel. They are reinforced with wires. And harley runs a belt to the back wheel and they last much longer than the chain did.
The drive belt on my Harley Evo lasted 190,000 miles and the only reason it broke was an idiot at the dealership over -tightened it!
@@scarhart53 my brother has a 93 sportster and it still has the original belt
The previous generation coyotes oil pumps were driven directly off the crankshaft and had minimal failures unless driver induced. The picture you show halfway through the video is also driven off the crankshaft. Know what you are talking about before trying to explain it wrong.
Do you think the belts will have issues?
Seems like it’s been holding up cause the 2nd gen 2.7L Ecoboost has a belt driven oil pump too back in 2018 and there hasn’t been any reported issues.
On the hemi ,thats a timing chain. The oil pump runs directly off the crank shaft just like the GM 6 & 8 cyl gas truck engines .The GM i 6 diesel runs at a much lower red line rpm and can get 150 + k life out of the oil pump belt .The 5.0 is anyones guess,especialy with the high oil consumption problems and sprayed in cyl liners.
on a hemi the pump is driven by the crank, the chain be behind the pump is going to a sprocket that drives the cam
This belt is at front of crank. Transmission and transfer case do not have to be removed to get to the 5.0 oil pump belt. Harmonics of crank rotation is reduced on v8 vs 6 cylinder.
There seems to be some confusion here between timing belts and chains vs oil pump drives - two completely different things. I think Ford has had issues with the old gear driven oil pumps failing (mostly because of people pumping up the HP) so that is why they went with the belt driven pumps. Unlike a timing belt if a oil pump belt looses a lobe it will not mess up the engine and continue to pump oil.
I own a repair shop and see more timing chain failures these days than timing belts, chains stretch and jump. Ford knows what they're doing I would have zero concern for oil pump belt. As for less oil capacity, check your oil and keep it full, that's why there's a dipstick. USE the dipstick don't BE the dipstick.
One thing is certain. It will not be MORE reliable than the crank mounted oil pumps. They might last hundreds of thousands of miles but it's one more thing that can cause a catastrophic engine failure. The one benefit Ford has is that the belt is in the front of the engine vs the rear on the Dmax. At least you won't have to split the engine to replace it
Also, the reason for the belt driven pumps is likely fuel efficiency. More than likely the 5.0 has a variable displacement pump like the new 7.3
Wow that’s a relief to know, my buddies 3.0 diesel Chevy must drop the transmission to access the belt and calls for a 80 k mile inspection where they suggest you might as well replace it as long as you got the transmission dropped.😂
They had the pump driven off the crank shaft since the 4.6 first came out and work very well. Engineering always finding away to screw up a good thing. They also screwed up like GM and put cylinder deactivation on the v8.
The Cylinder deactivation ingeneral is just stupid.
I wonder if he's aware of the oil consumption update in the older 5.0's? The longer dipstick. Longer dipstick = less oil. IMO, all of the changes he brought up are nothing to worry about.
Famous last words: "The GM engineer said it will be fine..." These belt driven pumps are going to be the death of these engines.
Better than “never worry about it” like Ford 🤦♂️
And the cylinder deactivation. That has caused many problems for Ram and GM, but the dumbasses at Ford decided it would be a good idea.
That goes for the faulty ignition switches as well.
@@gasolinediesel972 Reason being they have to hit fleet mpg numbers if not they get fine. Why do you think Ford is going to start selling a unit-body truck under the Ranger?
@@Steve-yr5vi yeah the government is killing all these trucks for sure, doesn’t matter who makes it. It’s a shame.
I have 5.0 bought other day and I hope ford engineers know what they are doing ,
Engineering goes out the window as soon as bean counters get involved.
I just bought one too and see this now
Some motorcycles use belt drive. They don’t need lube. They are quiet. Have less play.
900 pounds vs 5800 pound truck that will haul and tow 12k. These things are going to blow.
@@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319 the belts not turning the wheels of your truck....
@@danialcompton3093 It spools up the drive doohickey
The big controversy over the GM diesel is that the belt is on the back of the engine so you have to take the transmission out to get to it! I have no problem with a belt drive just make it easy enough to get too so it's not $1,000. In labor to get too! Ford was having a problem with oil consumption on the 5.0 and the cure was a new Dip stick so you could put that extra quart in the engine and reprogramming so on deceleration it wouldn't suck up oil.
Yep, I have that 2018 F150 5.0, I took it in because It was using too much oil… it would be below the dipstick after about 1,500 miles and they told me it’s normal for some vehicles to use that much. I’m thinking, who do you think you are talking to. I told the guy “yah right my 68 Chevy pickup did not even use that much”. After Ford gave me the new dipstick and reprogrammed it, it runs a lot better no oil loss and the transmission stop shifting hard. It still makes that vibrating sound every time I let off the gas 🤷 I looked it up before some Electric solenoid.
@@uncleskeetxxl It could be dry splines on the Slip joint on the drive shaft I’ve heard they have that problem sometimes.
Haha
@@uncleskeetxxl If my measurements were correct, 5.0, F-150 owners with short dipsticks were over-filling their crankcases by almost 2 liters. Not surprisingly, it ends up raising your crankcase pressure, forcing oil out the PCV and back into the intake to be burned. Combine that with the intake runner closing almost completely when stepping off the gas and you get high intake vacuum which makes the problem even worse.
The ECM reflash corrects the intake runner, off-throttle position and the new dipstick will prevent overfills.
FYI: keep your eyes open for a PO430 code if the check engine light comes on. (catalytic inefficiency, due to fouling from burned oil depositing on catalyst)
The longer owners wait to do the TSB, the MORE likely they'll see this code appear.
I have a 2019 5.0 F-150 FX4 with ~7000kms (thanks COVID🤣), and I've had ZERO issues since the TSB was performed.
Good Luck with yours, I'm lovin' mine.
Yes but pulling the trans once in 200,000 miles really isn't that big of a deal. I would say it's fairly easy compared to some of the FWD cars that have a timing belt jammed up 2 inches away from the wheel well. Pulling a transmission is not that hard.
Much to do about not much! If you want the 5L in an F-150 buy it - drive it and don't worry about crap that may or may not matter in the big picture of things.
Much ado too
Good advice, sometimes I think all this press scares people off for nothing..3.5 eco boost also gets bad press, so what do you do? Buy what you like!👍🏻
It matters if you plan on keeping your vehicle for a long time. If you only plan on keeping your vehicle for a short lease Then yes get anything and it should last that short lease.
@@stevenlefebvre2991 If you keep a truck that long, you'll have a whole bunch of maintenance items needing addressed besides a possible issue with an oil pump drive belt. Good thing this is America and people can buy whatever they want and if you don't like the idea of an oil pump being belt driven, buy another truck or engine. Pretty-Simple! We have a whole host of more pressing issues to be concerned about other than Ford or GM using a belt to drive an oil pump. There's no long term track record for these belts yet, only time will tell if they make the grade or not.
I thought the Gen 3 F150's had an oil pump gear driven directly by the crankshaft snout no?
We need an engineers' opinion on the rubber compound used in these new belts. They may be a huge improvement over chains. Also, if additives would hurt the rubber.
The Chevy engineer talked about it in the diesel video. Additives don't hurt rubber and belts have come a long way.
All of these new technologies that are having to go into these vehicles to squeeze out the required EPA crap, it just makes me so grateful I bought a Toyota Tundra and don't have to worry about any of this stuff.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Remember Ford and GM had shared resources on a few projects.
Yes 10 speed transmission 1/2 ton trucks.
And mustangs and camaros have fords 10 speed too
I better get a 2021 Tundra while I still can....
Got mine in the early fall.
Got mine late March. Was very lucky.
The pic you show @5:56 is the cam shaft chain (timing chain). The oil pump is shaft driven ....:-)
These are reasons I only buy Toyota cars and trucks. The Ford 300 6 cyl and the 302 V8 were the last good Ford truck motors made.
I can't say which is better but it ALL comes down to $$ no matter what (lie) they tell you !
Too bad Toyotas are gay
Good for you, you can keep'em.
Wasn’t the issue with the Silverado in relation to the location of the belt at the back of the engine? Not necessarily that it had a belt driven pump?
Yeah didn’t that make the repairs or maintenance expensive or something like that, since they, i think, had to pull out the transmission to service or repair it
Yeah that was another aspect of it. Still plenty of comments about the fact it was a belt.
I should add, watching the repair videos on replacing the oil pump, I’d wager the level of pain in the butt is about the same for both engines.
The hemi picture your showing is the the chain drives the camshaft and the oil pump is the aluminum part that encircles the crankshaft and is drive directly by a machined flat service on the crankshaft driving the oil pump
The pic you show of the Hemi engine shows a crank driven oil pump. The chain is just driving the camshaft.
This ^^^
The picture you used for the hemi is the timing chain.... it's the crankshaft at the bottom and the camshaft at the top. It's a pushrod engine.
What was wrong with the gear driven pumps? May have been a little less efficient, but I'd rather have gear drive than belt drive.
There weren’t really any issues with them on stock trucks. But, when you began to modify them, it became a bit of a weak point because they were not billet
glad i still have my 92 k1500 chevy 350 700r4 ,,runs an looks like new..cant beat a 350 they can have their new junk
Why did they change it?
Just because it was a problem for gm doesn't mean it will be a problem for Ford. Ford builds better vehicles. They always have.
forgetting one main difference . chevy has to drop transmission vs dropping oil pan.i am questioning buying the 5.0 because of the block can no longer be rebuilt. it has spray in cylinder liners vs sleeves .add i n clinger deactivation and the belt . going to have to wait and see how reliable they are before i buy .
To drop oil pan do you have to pull engine or trans 4x4 trancase also.Mecha
@@leeannbowser3068 i believe your thinking rear main seal.in a 4x4 i think you will have to drop front axle doesn't seam to be as labor intensive as chevy.i probably won't be buy a 5.0 any time soon
oil pump belt from what I've seen on other channel is some special kevlar material, how reliable? time will tell..
Nooo stop it can't break I just paid 75,000 for my 150 ,,
Me too
. And I just got 2021 f150
My 440v8 is driven by a shaft from the cam shaft. Oil pump is external an can be replaced easy. Water pump. The same. In 1978
My 1979 Subaru's 1.6 flat 4 has the oil pump driven directly off a slot on the end of the camshaft. Right under the crank on the front of the engine. The oil filter mounts directly to the pump. Changing the oil pump involves removing 4 bolts and that's it. The oil pump is also rebuildable. The camshaft on that engine is gear driven off the back of the crankshaft. No timing chain, no timing belt. Instead of being driven off the cam, the distributor is driven off the crank. Solid flat tappet lifters. Valves need to be adjusted around every 20,000 miles.
have a 23 5.0. averages 20mpg overall can get 23-24 highway if lucky. I wish you could turn off the cylinder deactivation around town though. If you put it in sport mode you can but it shouldn't kick in under 40mph
The 5.0 already had a poor reputation after the 2018 update. But I'm sure this won't stop people from claiming that trucks need V8s and that turbos are unreliable.
I remember reading Ford had recommended using synthetic oil in the 5.0 but neglected to study the effects of short distance driving. Turned out that the synthetic oil would create a build up due to not reaching suitable operating temperatures. A few owners had rebuilds less than 40,000 miles.
Looks like you may be at least able to replace it after removing the oil pan? Not as big a deal as the GM turbodiesel IIRC.
Really?
I can tell Tim went somewhere warm! LOL
Interesting change. Wonder why? The oil pump driven off the crank seemed foolproof except that the powdered metal gears occasionally broke. They been using this setup since about 91. Maybe they wanted oil pump in the oil or at least a lot closer? Definitely pump oil faster that way. I’m not criticizing ford but I am curious about reason for the change
@berserker406yes ok that makes more sense than my theory.
Just bought a new F-150 Lariat, 5.0L V8. I trade in every 70,000 100,000 miles so I shouldn't have too many issues (I hope lol)
They also switched back to a steel oil pan with a standard drain plug. That, I do like. I hate the rear drain on my 2020 f150 5.0
You know all those marketing call everyone gets for your car's extended warranty well you're going to want to stay on phone for this one 😂😭
The second pic you show has my confused. That pic is of the cylinder head and those colored lines are the oil tubes that lubricate the lash adjusters, especially when it goes to 4 cylinders. It doesn't have anybody to do with the belt driven oil pump
Due to the start-stop the engine oil pressure is built up by a electric motor. check fuse box you find a fuse labeled engine oil motor
I know this is late but since I just recently bought one of these trucks ( my second 5.0 F 150 ) I will just make this comment. The sign next to the speakers head says it all. Pickup Truck “ talk. “
Ok… weird comment.
This is all about saving money and more importantly. Dealer servicing !
Great Work Tim. loved the detailed information you gave.
so is this just for the 2021 model year? I have a 2017 5.0l
"New" for 2021. Your 2017 is good to go.
Im curious if the 7.3 oil pump assembly could be mounted on the 5.0 now.. since it appears to have similar bolt pattern and design.. but with a chain..
What is this all a boot? 🥾
This might be a dumb question but could a aftermarket company produce a tune that would turn off cylinder deactivation?
I hope, I know there is a product like that for AFM on GM vehicles
There are some companies that do that already. Range, Diablo, Pulsar. It’s just pricey, it’ll probably void the warranty, and you have to get the exact programmer for your particular make and model year. In some cases they have to swap in a custom PCM since a lot of companies are locking their PCMs due to “security” concerns.
The hemi oil pump is not chain driven. The oil pump is driven off the crank. The chain is for the cam.
You should do a pole.
How many people have bought a new vehicle and kept it past 150,000 miles.
GM's recommended (inspection) of the oil pump belt.
I have bought 6 new vehicles and didn't keep any longer then 125,000 miles. Probably sell this truck. When the time is right.
Even at 150000 miles, I would expect some larger bills. This is a non-issue to me...
@@jamesbainton I couldn't agree more. EVERY vehicle no matter the brand, will need something by 150k. And it just recommend. Manufacturers testing proved 250k with little wear. On the belt.
Belts really have come a long way. My first car, an 85 buick, needed belts changed constantly. My current vehicle, 2017 gmc, can go 100k with only a belt inspection and possible change. Belts are not going to last as long as a chain or gear drive, but a precautionary inspection/change every 150k is reasonable in my opinion.
I have an 11 Sportage with a accessory belt that has 250000 miles on it. Asked service advisor if I should replace it. He said they've never seen one fail. And it still looks like new. I remember when there was 4 different belts that had different tensions and service life.
Heck they all needed checking and possible adjustments every 5000 to 8000 miles.
If you got to pull the engine to check the belt... just Change it.
Doesn't bother me too much as it's a wet belt, and it's kevlar. Would I prefer a gear driven one? yes. Having said that I just bought a 2021 F-150 with the 5.0 and it wasn't something that worried me.
I know the new duramax 3.0 has a belt. Does the petrol ones also?
No.
the gas trucks do not, the new 3 cylinder gas engines found in the trailblazer and encore do have the oil pump belts as well
is the 3.3 n/a with 10 speed f150 a good truck? thanks
It is the best powertrain in the F150.
It actually comes paired to a 6 speed, but yes the 3.3 is probably going to be the most trouble free
3.3 or 3.5 Ecoboost.
@@timothyday9597 The 3.3 is now paired with the 10 speed. It’s new for 21.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q oh wow good to know thanks
Sorta off topic...How about the lower compression ratio of the 2021 2.7eb (2020- 10.3:1, 2021- 10:1)?
can you find out if the 2021 5.0 still has the typewriter tick? I wonder if the new oil pump solved the issue
I've watched a few videos and haven't noticed any sound like that on the 5.0L nor has it been mentioned. Granted, I haven't been listening that closely.
The pumps that you are calling chain driven are actually driven directly by the crank. When there were distributors the oil pump was driven by a shaft connected to the bottom of the distributor. They all have a failure point. The 5.0 was known to break the gears(cast gears) in the oil pump. Hopefully thus belt does not break.
I recall that being an issue on 1st-gen(2011) F150s. But I believe it got better over the years.
@@hellkitty1014 as have the reliability of belts..
They weren’t cast bud, sintered metal. The steel ones came in the Shelby mustangs.
You know I have a 20 year old honda push mower with a belt driven cam.. that belt sits in oil all the time to turn that cam from the crank , same belt never broke.. maybe Ford is on to something
In this same theme, I recently learned the replacement of the water pump is quite expensive on the f150 due to where it placed.
Yes I know the 3.5 has the pump in the front of the engine connected to the timing chain. Seems like a stupid design.
@@derekenz4185 front wheel drive only.
@@fugazi5002 are you sure? That would mean all F150s don't have this design
Yes. 3.5 and 3.7 for The Edge, Explorer and Flex have the internal chain driven water pump. The rear wheel drive fords do not they have a traditional external water pump. 👍
The F150 has a traditional external water pump.
Here's when the "concern" over the wet built in the GM truck suddenly evaporates....
No kidding, Ford owners would trash talk GMs oil pump belt, now all the sudden there's no problem with it, Like "Why does GM use pushrod engines?", now Ford came out the the 7.3 "Godzilla" pushrod V8, with a 6.8 variant making its way to the F-150 and Stang soon. All the sudden pushrod is cool, and some on TH-cam saying cylinder deactivation is good, they are the same people that think "EcoBoost" is a new technology exclusive to Ford, all it is, is Turbo, Slapping turbos on engines and beefing up the engine has been done for decades. SMH!
All of a sudden, big mouth opinionated Ford guys are 🦗 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🤭
@@baracktrump1410 GM chains don't often let go on the trucks, but the oil pumps will fail themselves
@@baracktrump1410 GM still has a big problem with failing DoD lifters, see them all the time... Not to mention other truck issues
Just like how everyone was bashing Ford for using aluminum bodies, and a few years later GM started putting aluminum in their trucks. Not another word about it after that happened.
Note: I'm not defending Ford, they've had some inexcusable QC issues with their vehicles. Blind brand loyalty is dumb no matter how it's sliced.
Saw a vid where guy says they talked to ford eng. And was told the Ford belt was tested to 1100hp so should be ok in the engine for a while.