Messages revealed between ex-Post Office and Royal Mail bosses over Horizon scandal
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- Former Post Office CEO Paula Vennells was in front of the Post Office inquiry where correspondence with the former chief of Royal Mail Moya Greene were revealed.
Texts show the ex-Royal Mail boss admitting she believed Paula Vennells knew about defects in the Horizon system while the Post Office was prosecuting subpostmasters.
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Don't believe a word she says.. She belongs in jail.
but the tory knighted her and the church nearly made her a priest with a position in the house of lords .surly such a pillier of the comunity with titles and honors cant posibly be a simple thief and a lyer .thtat would make the tory look like right crooks .
Yet she will go on to be free live a long life milking the taxpayer
@@andydudley1775 aka 'Bishop'. She is already an ordained priest.
@@andydudley1775house of lords and house of the Lord! Think about…they crucified Jesus, didn’t they !?
We are all at the mercy of the "Establishment " forget what polical party is in government it makes no difference. Callahan made his son inlaw ambassador to the US, Chris Patton lost his seat so was made Governor of Hong Kong, Kinnock and his teacher wife both became E.U. Commissioners with pensions of £160000 per year. None of them care about us as long as we pay our taxes and don't take to the streets.
To paraphrase Vennels' wordsalad
"I stopped giving accurate answers when I realised that I was personally exposed!"
Well put.
Spot on.
And I knew the establishment will throw me under the bus
Then she should be charged with perjury at least
@@tomricketts7821 she had ample opportunity to right this wrong, she chose not to .
LOCK HER UP, first class with tracking
Just get this woman jailed.
Victimes were innocent, sorry finger problem
at least 1 day for every day a postmaster spent under arrest, in court and in prison
good ole Jason Beer - he just doesn't let her off the hook at all. sterling job sir!
Masterpiece. Hone in on THE key question which can't be answered without an admission of guilt.
Simple questions causing the witness to faff, fuddle and drown in a self made pool of confabulation.
He's excellent
So, this is what a Woman of God is like. The C of E must be proud, so so proud.
She’s an occultist
Never trust a god botherer.
Not her fault she thought her imaginary god would fix everything. She just had to pray. Hopefully she can pray all day every day in prison
The CoE has a very sketchy record with other matters such as trying to cover up child molestation.....a non credible organisation of great hypocrisy as far as I can see of them.
So called men of god or late vocational men of god are just as bad!!
She is a liar
And your proof of that is what? Mr key board warrior. Say that in court.
Are you questioning Patrick's statement?
@@Mikados_Advark12do you have proof to the contrary witness for the defence??
@@Mikados_Advark12 Lied to Lord Arbuthnot about Horizon remote access. She knew in 2013. We have the proof and she lied. Given that this is now an absolute defence to any accusations of slander (Defamation act 2013) I should think ANYBODY would have ZERO problem bringing that up in print and court! Try again keyboard lawyer.
@@Mikados_Advark12provë she is telling the truth keyboard worried.people are entitled to opinioni without disrespect from you.thats the way these thing work
Paula is trying to over complicate matters but Mr Beer is a formidable kc
He really is, they all are, and it’s fascinating to watch her ‘think’…
…reverting to ‘unknown unknowns’, is clever - but undoubtedly disingenuous, because that ‘truth’ was a choice.
Answering the question Mr Beer was asking: why didn’t you know?
Answer: because she knew EXACTLY how damaging (and criminal!) the scandal was, so she chose to remain ignorant of the greater ‘corporate memory’ available to her.
A master of deceptive thinking, but the MENS REA is established via an adverse inference: she knew, and she knew ‘just enough’ to choose to leave the remaining unknowns: unknown to herself - an intentional act of omission - and now she’s just confessed under oath.
It’s a subtle confession, but a confession under oath nonetheless…
…and an unintentional one at that!
This is a walk in the park for His skills 👍👍👍
Dealing with obvious IDIOTS 😩😩😩
'Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil'......do no evil?
We really need to stop paying CEOs and directors so much.
As they are never responsible or even aware of anything.
And the people lower down that do all the work, understand the business never get to the CEO role, especially if they refuse to kiss arse. It annoys me massively. The whole Post Office was/is run on the Peter Principle.
hahahha you think Brtsh ones are not aware???????? This is Britain now, weak bullies lol. Royal Mail boss knew and didn't do anything either
Shocking. Replace her with a robot and you’d get more empathy and responsibility
She if definitely on some sort of sociopathic spectrum.
😊
with around 700 people being convicted of theft from the post office , she was obviously in touch what was happening! and to say she didn't know is pretty impossible to believe she didn't know! she's trying to save her own neck, considering some postmasters committed suicide she should be charged with corperate manslaughter.
900+
This woman needs jail time, how is she not on remand right now and instead walking freely...
at the very least bail, with clear, concise & unambiguous conditions
Because the police are also shady and don’t investigate. They’ve not even begun an investigation in the last 20years.
I totally agree with you.
Send her to jail she is lying to her back teeth
As CEO, you are deemed to know what is happening in your organisation. You are the overall boss & "I didn't know/wasn't told" doesn't cut it.
All senior people in PO, Fujitsu & yes, Government who are involved in this shoddy business are suffering a very convenient Corporate bad memory & climbing up each others' backs, trying desperately to avoid blame. In the meantime, innocent lives & livelihoods have been *destroyed.*
Agreed. It’s the usual story of; very happy to collect the large salary but no thanks to the big responsibility.
And are still being abused
How come these religious types never believe in God enough to tell the truth? It's just yet more proof that humans made God rather than God making humans.
Well said Sir/Madam
So very true .
Yes you might as well worship Kelloggs Rice Krispies for all the good it will do you.
@@jackkruese4258 i'd rather worship the bars of rice krispies bound by marshmallow that my mum used to give me occassionally when I was a kid.
Indeed, that is why religion is a sham, created by those in power to subjugate the poor and uneducated in all society's its been going on since we developed the ability talk to each other. Religion is a disgusting form of mind control.
I have never heard the word "possibly" used so many times in such a short time period. Have to say the KC is excellent keeping her accountable.
He is good isn't he ?
Keeps it clear sharp focused, cuts through the "witness" BS.
Mr Beer is a new national treasure in my opinion 😁 He is extremely quick! I know he is supposed to be in his role, but he still blows my mind 🙌
Vennells knew exactly that Moya Greene was saying that she didn't believe her , Vennells is still trying to manipulate the enquiry ,her arrogance is breath taking , this has to go before a Judge in a Criminal trial for this all to be resolved
She was in line to be The Bishop of London. The last guy who warmed that seat, is an ex-oil executive and now Archbishop of Canterbury! It's third banana in The CofE, FFFS! She doesn't even manage the easy moral rule of christians, "Do as you would be done by" .
@@capt.bart.roberts4975 C of E has gradually been infiltrated by atheist Marxists since 1990, when clergy were told to become political. Marxists usurped the monica, liberal Christian, from the real liberal Christians ( who were a pushover) and moved in to change it from within. People who have never been to Church don’t understand this.
Well said. That exchange damns her. It's obvious what Moya was referring to and equally obvious that Paula Vennells was fully aware of it.
The result will be incompetence and that will be the end of it. It's how the UK works for rich people
Jail her, one year per innocent SPM.
i concur with you,,,,,,,,,,,but 1year per SPM.....is not enough
So your company was prosecuting 100's of loyal Post Masters, many of whom went to Prison, and lost everything, and at no point, as leader of the business, you did not think it necessary to make 100% sure that the points being raised about the system were correct. How was she in office, how could anyone trust a word she says, it is an absolute Joke !
She said “the post office knew but she didn’t know” how she let those words spill out her mouth is staggering given she was head of that very entity, the post office. The woman is a disgrace.
To put it into terms that she might understand, she is a servant of Satan.
I Know and alan bates was all over her and she claims she didnt know she clearly did . Shes just talking bollocks. Her, her collegues and shareholders were paid money that was stolen from all those poor people alive and dead
Pathetic!!!! Everyone involved must be held legally accountable
Absolutely revolting woman who sat around while employees under her destroyed lives of honest people
Worse than that,Vennells and her crooked cronies were living the high life and enjoying the trappings of their highly salaried roles whilst their victims were having their lives completely destroyed.
Forensic accountant said she's a liar.
When and how did they say that? Back up your comment.
@@Mikados_Advark12Stop shilling for her.
@@Mikados_Advark12Ian Henderson of second sight
@@slugrag and where in his report did he call her a liar?
Amnesia is a real problem with senior post office staff, what is the other line used in this inquiry? I don’t recall, snakes the lot of them, it’s just sad these individuals including Vennells will never be put on trial for their crimes, they will go back to their cushy lives with big fat pensions while the Postmaster’s are trying to pick up their lives after losing everything, in some cases their lives, this has to be truly the worst case of injustice in the UK.
The Queen would be mortified if she knew she was the head of a Mafia style run business. Vennells crocodile tears today was an embarrassment to watch, another individual in a job far above her capabilities.
The Second Sight report is proof she knew of bugs and did nothing. There are recordings of her in a meeting with the Second Sight people. She's saying here she didn't know? This is straight up perjury. Charge her and send her to jail or the UK should admit that justice isn't possible when powerful, well connected people are involved.
She is a vicar. I am sure one of the ten commandments is 'Thou shall not tell porkies.'
Vennells' approach: "Deny! Deny! Deny!"
What on earth was this woman doing as CEO that was so much more important than ongoing trials with hundreds of postmasters, meaning that she spent absolutely no time on the trials issue? Of course, nothing. Unless she is the worst CEO of all time, she’s lying.
Or both.
She is gormless and relayed heavily on her subordinates. Nevertheless, she is ultimately responsible as CEO.
Kim I would hazard a guess that there are many PV runnin g organisation , for which they are unfit.
Little people in big jobs. (To quote Richard Nixon)
I do believe something was more important to her, and that was the success of the PO and the creation of more post offices. She wanted to be worshipped by the people of Britain for putting a post office on every street corner. The people getting in her way, had to be sacrificed for the greater good. I do think she shares the same type of insanity as a well known figure from the 1930’s and 40’s.
Sorry is not good enough she should be jailed
Apologies rhymes with bogies. Source: Blackadder*.
*Though it does also sound like something Kryten would say in Red Dwarf.
Only Sorry She Got Caught!
What a snake
The Original Serpent from the Garden.
If she didn't know answers to questions then what the hell was she doing ? The number of persons being pursued for alleged illegal practices was ridiculous and she should have asked questions.
She should be arrested as she leave the court ,
Lies and more lies and then starts crying… jail her
Now have a proper Court Case for all the instigators of this cover up.
Jason Beer KC is one cool dude & dismantling this vile woman 👍
Nothing will happen. They won't allow a precendent to be set where these crooks become vulnerable to their actions. They cannot allow that. Shame
I guess we’ll see. Sounds like empty cynicism to say ‘nothing will happen’ at this stage. There is an enquiry. There will be trials and likely convictions. The time it all takes is another issue.
I am also of the opinion that nothing, or very little will happen to the top brass. House arrest at best for 3 months, then bound over to not break the law for the next 2 years chump change
The precedent was set at Hillsborough not to punish the guilty.
They have to find them guilty, or this is also a scam
Thanks for nicking my post but hey...a new trend I guess.
Everyone's fault except hers she says. Jail time for her please!
Twisting, evading.... if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, swims like a duck, then IT IS A DUCK....
Yes that maybe true but it can't remember/recollect that it's a duck 😂
Or it’s Beast Boy.
Or it’s a very dedicated parrot
This woman is such a bloody liar
Her underlings certainly knew as has come out in the evidence and Angela Van Den Bogerd said as soon as she knew anything, she made sure that Paula Vennells also knew.
I completely agree. They actually didn't have respect for Vennelles: she was the gormless but culpable plant of whom Van Den Bog was envious.
Angie baby ain't going down alone
Fujitsu wouldn’t share what it knew because that would self incriminate them for stealing money from postmasters as they proved with the union rep who was penalised£44,000 the day after he was mistakenly shown the access to the systems on site,proving it was all built in to the programme. Still this is avoided, WHY???
She is either lying or is utterly incompetent. Both, I suspect.
IGNORANCE is NO DEFENCE !!
The pauses between the KC's questions and her answers are astonishing for someone protesting their innocence. The truth is being held in captivity somewhere in her head and it's fighting with her tongue to get out.
she thought she could rely on plausible deniability
Yes she knew. They wanted to pressure and ride roughshot over everyone.
Disgusting
She should be jailed on remand while giving evidence to this enquiry. This demonic person should also resign from the church!!
Many religious people are like this, more than the average in the population.
@@alan_davis Quite right. Takes a certain kind of person to think they should tell others how to behave.
If she were arrested from the enquiry her evidence would be curtailed. How would that help anyone? We want to hear Mr Beer's examination in full.
@@MB-pm4xe now now, pipe down or my invisible friend that loves everyone and us full of forgiveness will condemn you to eternal damnation
Vennells should be sent to prison for at 10 years!
Txts from Moya are pretty devastating.
She must return the money she received in bonuses!
Yes she should return every penny including everything she owns is sold she has gained at a criminal activity so what's the owns therefore she should lose like criminals drug dealers and so on
Remarkable.
Remarkable and very sad.
There is a stark and grotesque degree of lack of self-awareness here.
This is avarice pretending to be contrition and compassion.
How this person made it to the shortlist for Bishop of London leaves the C of E with some serious questions.
For all the faux humility and TV contrition, this on Nona nice person or a good person.
She seems to be a liar.
it's not a lack of self awareness, she was ceaselessly lying about not knowing
@@BOZ_11 It is a lack of self-awareness. She is a liar and she is greedy. She also lacks self-awareness.
It's incredible how a person in such a high position of office, could be in such a exalted position, and command such a massive salary.
With such a poor memory, and the inability to to recall any conversation conversations.
Is mind boggling, or is she a downright liar.
Not a good advert for the Anglican Church, of which she is a Priest.
I know nothing Mr Fawlty..every damned one of these lying robbers should be jailed…people have died because of these incompetent shysters..jail the lot of them they are complicit in everything that’s happened to these innocent postmasters…
The smirk after she said she wish she had known was a give away - she did know
Situation is so complex... What utter bollocks.. They knew right from the beginning there were problems with the system and did everything they could to hide it.
She literally has blood on her hands
Her entire demeanour compared to the select committee content on her is VERY different. She was arrogant and 'in charge' at that time. This is scripted tone and delivery, all prepared by a team to protect her from the inevitable....PRISON.
This is what a psychopath looks like. Completely plausible, no real remorse, no acceptance of any responsibility. Business and politics are full of them.
What a ridiculous comment.
@@Mikados_Advark12 I think you'll have to amplify that. Venells' excuse is effectively that she was colossally incompetent. Clearly, she isn't. You don't reach the positions she did by being the kind of idiot she would have had to be to have "not known" that postmasters were being prosecuted by the company she ran. That means that everything she has said today is a lie, including all the theatrical tears, which also indicate that she has no shame (she has the audacity to shed tears after all the suffering that has been endured by employees of the company she chaired?), and she accepts no responsibility (she was poorly informed and people kept things from her). Those are the actions of a Grade A, high=functioning psychopath.
On the other hand, if you think she's telling the truth, I have this amazing bridge I'd like to sell you....
@@musopaul5407 rushing to judgment is never wise or fair - wait until the results of the enquiry come out. As for psychopath- well that is a bit much.
@@Mikados_Advark12 You must let me send you the details of that bridge I was telling you about...
Seriously, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Venells knew as little as she claimed. As CEO, she would have been involved in the process, if not from the beginning, then certainly once the prosecutions began. There is ample evidence that the Post Office did everything it could to cover up problems with the Horizon system, which it knew was faulty, to blame any problems on the postmasters and mistresses, and then to cover up what they knew. As a result, literally hundreds of lives were literally ruined. Venells denied all knowledge of the coverup as well as any responsibility for the suffering inflicted on her employees. Worse, she cast herself as a victim of others' deception and incompetence. In fact, if you listen closely, she didn't actually apologise for anything, beyond one of those corporate non-apology apologies. (she was, "sorry for all that the sub-postmasters and their families have suffered”, not for anything that she did).
I don't know how much you know about psychopathy. I'm not an expert, but I do know quite a bit. Not all psychopaths are like Hannibal Lecter, in fact, most of them aren't, but lack of empathy (Could the suicide have been motivated by anything other than the hounding of Post Office officials?), a refusal to take responsibility ("I was too trusting of others"), an extreme capacity for deception and evasion, and a lack of consideration for the rights of others are among the key characteristics of psychopathy. Venells has them in spades. I don't know what the rest of her life is like, but I would say that the likelihood is high that she is some type of psychopath.
It is unlikely that there will be a smoking gun, as the Post Office has been destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation for a long time (much of it on Venells' watch). As I said, she would have to be the most colossally incompetent CEO in history to be as ignorant as she claimed, and people that incompetent usually aren't capable of writing 750 page statements. At the very least, she is a pretty craven human being, having been on nearly 3/4 of a million a year, not to say, "Yup, I messed up. I may not have known all the details, but I was CEO and the buck stops with me!"
In terms of assigning blame, the inquiry won't achieve much more than it has, any more than Leveson, Hutton or Chilcott did. These inquiries are mainly PR exercises. I'm content to believe that Venells is a cold-hearted corporate liar, that she was one of the principal architects of the prosecutions and the cover-up, and that her behaviour throughout is the result of some type of extreme pathology, and not just ass-covering and the advice of lawyers.
Now...about that bridge...
@@Mikados_Advark12 You must let me send you the details of that bridge I was telling you about...
Seriously, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Venells knew as little as she claimed. As CEO, she would have been involved in the process, if not from the beginning, then certainly once the prosecutions began. There is ample evidence that the Post Office did everything it could to cover up problems with the Horizon system, which it knew was faulty, to blame any problems on the postmasters and mistresses, and then to cover up what they knew. As a result, literally hundreds of lives were literally ruined. Venells denied all knowledge of the coverup as well as any responsibility for the suffering inflicted on her employees. Worse, she cast herself as a victim of others' deception and incompetence. In fact, if you listen closely, she didn't actually apologise for anything, beyond one of those corporate non-apology apologies. (she was, "sorry for all that the sub-postmasters and their families have suffered”, not for anything that she did).
I don't know how much you know about psychopathy. I'm not an expert, but I do know quite a bit. Not all psychopaths are like Hannibal Lecter, in fact, most of them aren't, but lack of empathy (Could the suicide have been motivated by anything other than the hounding of Post Office officials?), a refusal to take responsibility ("I was too trusting of others"), an extreme capacity for deception and evasion, and a lack of consideration for the rights of others are among the key characteristics of psychopathy. Venells has them in spades. I don't know what the rest of her life is like, but I would say that the likelihood is high that she is some type of psychopath.
It is unlikely that there will be a smoking gun, as the Post Office has been destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation for a long time (much of it on Venells' watch). As I said, she would have to be the most colossally incompetent CEO in history to be as ignorant as she claimed, and people that incompetent usually aren't capable of writing 750 page statements. At the very least, she is a pretty craven human being, having been on nearly 3/4 of a million a year, not to say, "Yup, I messed up. I may not have known all the details, but I was CEO and the buck stops with me!"
In terms of assigning blame, the inquiry won't achieve much more than it has, any more than Leveson, Hutton or Chilcott did. These inquiries are mainly PR exercises. I'm content to believe that Venells is a cold-hearted corporate liar, that she was one of the principal architects of the prosecutions and the cover-up, and that her behaviour throughout is the result of some type of extreme pathology, and not just the advice of lawyers.
Now...about that bridge...
Fantastic wage packet,plus benefits,and no responsibility,when can I start?.
they are all liars that covered it up
She is accountable for all this mess , she can cry all she wants with her crocodile tears , 100% she knew and she sat there and done nothing , let’s say she didn’t know or was ignorant to know, how many post masters needed to be jailed before she questions something maybe wrong here , let’s deep dive the problem and make sure , not just leave it and let all these post masters go to jail, she’s was incompetent at her job and I hope a bit of jail time comes to her
Coperate wise she's now not trustworthy and not employable
There's plenty of other corrupt corporations out there that would value her machiavellian traits... Therefore, highly employable.
I think she is employed at a very senior level, in the NHS. I wonder who pulled those strings? You don’t get to be tipped for Bishop of London without having friends in very high places!
Sounds like she'll be standing as an MP or PM any day now as she sounds to have the same qualities of some of our MP's and a certain blonde haired PM 🤔🤣
@@richbrown8174 she wouldn't get her deposit back
Probably bent over for a roasting that's why her name on list for role..
If she wasn't guilty why did she hand back her CBE.....guilty conscious perhaps?
Why did she even get one in the first place?
4:33 is just devastating. She is being openly called out for the liar that she is by someone in the organisation who can quite clearly see that if they side with her, they're going to take the fall along with her. Incredible. She was being directly confronted by people in her own organisation who could see that she had known and had pushed on anyway and shovelled it all under the carpet.
She clearly has a formidable legal team (paid for with her huge bonuses) who have advised her well on her responses to mitigate any blame. People speak of her being stripped of her title, let’s be clear NO she hasn’t, she surrendered it and so may be able to reclaim it in future years. I loved today’s crocodile tears, again well placed at the appropriate time to support her claim of innocence. Let’s now watch as she calls up a fleet of buses to throw people under.
This is all very well but the Post Office is still using the Horizon system. Why are the Government still using Fujitsu?
They are shit scared of pissing the Japanese off .
Maybe they or some of their bigwigs donate to the party?
Her and all her team who ruined the lives of the Post Masters should be jailed, period.
Her 🐊 tears did not take long 😭
Crocodile tears me thinks as she knows she has committed perjury and will be found out
A typical example of the British establishment. She appears to bewildered to be in the current situation. After all, it's not that anybody, anybody of any significance that is, has been badly afftected during this affair.
The Hillsborough victims, the Grenfell Tower disaster the ... it's a long list of people of no consequence.
We need a government that believes the British public are human too.
The contaminated blood products scandal.....the list is very long.
I was just thinking this my self...
The " Safe and Effective".
Russian bot@@DavidSmith-ze2wi
🤣😂 - if only she used BoJo/Rishi's IT person, her phone would have received new OS updates at the right now
A priest in the service of the God Mammon....
Nothing will happen. They won't allow a precendent to be set where these crooks become vulnerable to their actions. They cannot allow that. Shame.
Lock her up!
lock her up!
lock her up!
Imagine having her pension then ending up in prison for the rest of your life.
Lock her up and anyone else complicit
All her ill gotten gain should be taken off her and she should be jailed as a warning to other people who went to hell for this evil women
She needs to be arrested Saturday morning!
She can’t answer why didn’t she know because she absolutely did know and this ruined 100 and 100’s of people’s lives!
I've ways said if this woman doesn't serve a prison sentence then it'll be another conspiracy surrounding this debacle
She was sitting on her backside doing nothing and caring not jot
She only went to work to collect her pay cheque. She certainly failed to manage. She now knows she is looking a jail time.
Beggars the question: Why on earth are these hugely paid executives paid huge salaries?
She clearly had no idea what was going on in the Post Office, did not bother to find out what was going on in areas of great importance, and has no problem now declaring her ignorance as if it is a "strength" in her role.
She lies so badly. Pretending the information wasn’t there, yet the chap questioning her found it all years later and was able to wade through it to find everything. She tried to hide the information so she could keep collecting big bonuses.
How can a CEO be this incompetent….clearly a cover up and should be in jail including the politicians involved
Are any of these executives going to be held to account for the corruption and Lies and the untold damage that's destroyed people's lives and livelyhoods of so many Post Office counter staff ,will the culprits be going to jail like they jailed post masters ,and the judiciary needs to be held to account has well for going along with the law suite's put in front of the Courts without due diligence being done to do a thorough investigation, Shameful.
I don't know anything, I don't even speak English! 😂
What is amazing is how easy these people can lie and be comfortable in doing it
It is a trait of psychopathy
Liar, liar, liar. She cannot answer the questions put to her, she has to think about what she is saying therefore she is avoiding the truth with condemns her and proves her guilt.
Paraphrasing Trump:
LOCK HER UP
Angela Van den Bogerd should be in prison for the longest because she seems to have self-schooled herself the most on how to handle the inquiry which intimates the scale of her guilt and knowledge... put paula next to her
Learning of the suicide of one of those wrongly convicted, her immediate reaction was to put her staff onto the task of trying to find other reasons (than the Post Office persecuting him) why he migth have took his own life. Absolutely disgraceful individual. This inquiry has no meaning if she is not properly punished.
Convenient, isn't it to cry now. Why isn't she being questioned under caution for perjury and misleading MPs? Why isn't the police involved?
I'll tell you why. The establishment protects its own.
The people should demand a prosecution. She has blatantly lied to the committe, lied under oath and absolutely knew what was happening. She belongs in prison.
How is this woman not in prison. People died because of her.... if this was any low wage member of staff and not the MD, they would have been in prison long ago.
Prison.
Utterly deplorable and those at the top MUST be prosecuted!
She’s intentionally deluding herself that she is a good and honest soul and assuming that we will be the lies she’s telling herself.
“Take that rag away from your face
Now ain’t the time for your tears”
Bob Dylan
As the government makes it very clear, ignorance is not an excuse. She states if you don't know something it's difficult to ask questions about it. It's the same logic that if you want to claim something you have to know exactly what you are claiming and back payment can't be actioned because you didn't know.
She should have a prosecution against her for every person that was prosecuted in her name as CEO. If she blames a lower manager, prosecute them as well. Corruption is so rife and never gets punished.
It makes me laugh that noone can remember critical evidence that would condemn them, but remember minute by minute of things that can help them. Corruption and deceit!
Its sickening watching her play the victim- its a double layer of utter contempt for the real victims
‘Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive’ - Ignorance is no excuse. As a ‘CE’ it is here job to know!
Do not believe she is being honest, answers seem to be largely ‘word soup’
I think, I wish. How could anyone be a CEO on 700k p.a. claim to believe anything and not be aware of anything
Guilty
We know someone who was affected by this and she was told, "you are the only one" and,"you must not speak to other Postmasters" That seems to be a decision taken higher up and is surely tantamount to a conspiracy to shift the blame on to innocent people.
She is lying and trying to come across as incompetent, because that is a better position than wilful deceit. This is all about damage control to avoid being thrown in prison.