Oh I wondered what I needed to do to learn how to save docs and print off. Lots of us oldies often don’t waste money on a desk top computer and just have an iPad, perhaps that’s why we don’t understand desk top terminology.
Unfortunately its wasted on a percentage of viewers, who in their ignorance think they know more than Jason Beer. I agree, a great man, and a pleasure to see his intellect and logic at work.
Now it is evident WHY you use a specialist Solicitor or Barrister. Their team work very hard so the fee is to pay for a whole team of people and lets hope that we see JUSTICE! J Singh is an insult to all?
This man Singh is unbelievable. He didn`t know anyone in Post Office other than his line manager. He didn`t know anything, everything was out of his remit, he didn`t remember anything, nothing originated from him he just followed instructions from others, he never made a decision .He didn`t know the basics of a computer that a five year old would know and never read his emails .How on earth did he qualify as a solicitor ? Did he do anything in his years at POL other than to claim his over inflated salary and look forward to his generous pension?
Lots of them (managers) appear to be like this there. The manager of the investigation team said he didn't know anything. He just did what others told him. He got given documents that were technical and just signed them off as he relied on everyone else to do his job. So many of them were like this. They are all the Tom Smykowski character from Office Space "What is it you actually do here?"
Lots of concentration camp guards and other perpetrators of atrocities give the same excuse. 'I was just following orders'. I bet he was more than happy to take his blood money.
He can't even look at the questioner. So many giveaways that this man should be prosecuted, pay back his earnings and lose access to work pensions - because he was a fraud unable to do his job (by his own words). Simply unbelievable.
I believe it's 'Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by misrepresentation'. It beggars belief the Post Office made him head of criminal law...... The criminal element appears to be solely how he operated.
There was a lady lawyer from Northern Ireland who did the exact same thing; dementia at very convenient moments. At least she didn't waffle on at length with nothing to say.
@@kellwickcornwall7885it’s worse. He had obligations to disclose things that might assist a defence case or undermine his own. Not just in one case, it’s an ongoing obligation to do so under CPIA 1996. So if I as a prosecutor were to learn that evidence used to convict someone in a case I was running becomes discredited either at the time or (say) a few years later it would fall to me to disclose that fact. He’s open to prosecution for Pervert the Course of Justice and conspiracy to do so with others in the know at the time, max penalty is life! I saw that the SRA (Solicitors Regulatory Authority) watched Singh’s evidence with someone writing a running commentary on their website. So karma is coming for Mr. Singh in one form or another. It’s been a shit-show from the off this enquiry, these shysters ran a coach and horses through statutory safeguards, railroading subbies into unjust verdicts, bankrupting some, ruining reputations, jailing the innocent, causing early deaths and despairing suicides all whilst protecting their flawed Horizon system and now it seems their own miserable hides too. Be interesting to see who, if any gets to grip the rail. Edit for typos.
Tell me you're flustered & panicking without telling me... I um um ah, it's not what you're suggesting... What is it then? Erm um um ah, I dont know. What a prat.
I do feel sorry for poor old Mr Singh. He must have been minding his own buisness when, one day, walking past the Post Office HQ, someone unknown to him ran out of the building and thrust a series of legal files into his hands and told him he was now the PO's criminal lawyer. That is the only plausible explanation for this farce.
Thank God for people like Jason Beer KC! This guy is simply amazing and he’s just so eloquently turning over the stones and revealing the true face of this scandal!
I'm amazed how calm and collected Jason Beer remained when he recognised the lies coming from the mouth of Singh. I would have found it difficult to remain unmoved in such a situation !
@@SamLowryDZ-015 yep, Paula Vennells was (and still is at this time) a lay preacher with the Church of England - and the last time I checked (before I left Catholicism 30 years ago), being honest and truthful was a big part of being a devout Christian.
Can you complain to someone about his swearing on your Holy Guru? Is that not something a fellow Sikh can do?( im a white roman Catholic 45yr old) I mean no disrespect 🙏
I am now retired. But spent over twenty years as a senior nurse in an accute mental health unit. I learned that any wrong actions or neglect of responsibilities were never accepted by senior higher paid personnel. Their practice was always to find a person of a lower grade or status below them to blame and so on until it reached the person actually at the coal face who would be held responsible. If I felt that I was becoming vulnerable to such practice I always wrote a letter to the next ranking person above me stating my position and concerns thus passing the responsibility to them. I always kept a copy. Thus I protected myself from any incompetent and inadequate senior personnel. These people will not hesitate to pass the blame to those lower in the heirachy. Now we see just who these people at the top are. They have been rumbled.
I’m a rtd RN, OHN and I spent a lot of time ensuring I covered my ass whenever pen met paper for all the reasons you stated. Integrity is not an attribute of many managers I met.
Thats why I am unsure of Lucy Letby being guilty, and they all hide behind highcourt buzzwords and media outlets running narratives against the accused, disgusting.
All these people have been coached by some lawyer, and told to deny that they seen anything, or knew anything, or can't remember, I really hope that after this inquiry, these people are charged and taken to court, if not then it's been covered up again.
When Singh was sent up to Scotland with a team from Cartwright King because the Procurator Fiscal was planning to overturn all Scottish prosecutions over this scandal ..... The guys from C.k. got the train there ( 1st class I expect) .... But Singh had to FLY there!! Shows how important HE thought he was, all paid for by the tax payer, then, in the enquiry admitted being sent there but knew nothing about Scottish Law, had no imput and basically didn't know what the Procurator Fiscal did up there!! ... Only the Scottish equivalent of the Crown Prosecutor!! Unbelievable!! He shouldn't have bothered flying up there at all! Just shows how full of his self importance he was within the P.O.!
Astonishing! Talk about being on the gravy train, quite literally! I wonder how many more like him there are, hiding in plain sight in government departments, public companies and elsewhere?
The dog ate my home work. End of story. This is gaslighting on steroids and breath-takingly arrogant but that he got so high up in the Post Office system is even more damning. Dog/homework does not exonerate him. We've seen this before in history. He needs to be on trial for many reasons.
The last time i saw such breathtaking arrogance and blatant lying was the trial by television interview of Dr Emil Savundra by David Frost, they're both complete crooks, this guy should be facing prison for his crimes.
These idiots may have manipulated innocent people under threat and intimidation but they do not intimidate the people of this country who see right through them almost as soon as they open their mouths.
Jason Beer is the most calm, collected and calm person I have ever seen. How he has not banged his head off his lecturn during some of the questioning he has undertaken. Plus last week he turned up whilst having the flu to question a witness. Jason Beer deserves a Knighthood 😁
It’s not strange at all … he HAS to do it. It is not a crime to be stupid. It is a crime to pervert the course of justice and hide evidence and lie on oath. He thinks that if he is concluded to be merely stupid then he won’t be in trouble. The bad news for him is, the enquiry is bound to find he is telling lie after lie after lie. For him, I reckon he will eventually find himself in jail as a result of criminal proceedings to follow this enquiry.
It’s the go to excuse in modern Tory Britain. If you’re caught in totally blatant wrong doing just explain that you are utterly incompetent and had no idea what your job was or what any of the rules were. If necessary plead a level of disconnection with reality that would have gotten you sacked from a paper round. And expect that to absolve you from all consequences while leaving your personal and professional legacy completely intact. It often works to. Boris Johnson claimed to have had zero idea what the laws he himself passed meant and to have barely known what room he was in or what he was doing at any point in his prime ministership as a way of getting out of blatant criminal acts. And he never faced serious legal repercussions and is still one of the highest paid journalists in the country and a significant portion of the Tory party desperately want him to return as PM. You can see why every lower level weasel and grifter see see it as a viable defence
@@WhichDoctor1do you think anyone has told him (and others trying this tactic) that this reverse Nuremberg/incompetent stupidity defence (Westminster Village defence?) only works for those at the top of the tree. Prime and Cabinet ministers, senior executives, and the like won't see a criminal court, MPs and other boardroom executives should be found not guilty/case thrown out, everyone else is thrown to a baying, vengeful crowd.
The P.O/ Government scandal and this spectacular Inquiry is shining a light on and giving us all a flavour of how the whole Country is staffed and run from the top down!!
It's called, "the Establishment", I saw this when I joined the civil service from school, one senior guy told me, " if you want to get on you must join the Freemasons ".
just remember all over the world its like that, all people working at government departments are useless lazy and not very bright, that I noticed when I moved from South Africa in Jan 2018 to Germany and had to apply for my permit,they kept on asking me for my papers that I had handed in at the German embassy in Pretoria when I applied to move to Germany, but it was all in the system,
How about adding the ferry fiasco that has been going on for years up here in Scotland with millions of pounds being thrown overboard and no-one being held to account---then there's the missing £600.000 still unaccounted for, need I go on, there's more !
In your dreams I'm afraid, but I can hear the comments in the background when I heard this on my earphones while doing housework, I know they are beying for justice in the room.
Well done Mr Beer, a formidable questioner. Imagine him arriving home and asking his wife what's for dinner. "I want to go out for dinner" she says. Jason: "That is an answer to a different question, dear. That is the answer to the question do you want to go out for dinner?". Mrs Beer: "Oh Jason, leave that at the office, you're at home now. I am not Mr Singh".
The idea that these people colluded to frame completely innocent people just continues to astound me! They lost everything.... absolutely EVERYTHING! Please tell me they're not going to get away with these crimes just because there's been a public enquiry!
He is doomed in the eyes of the public from the inept words from his own mouth but he is only a criminal if he is prosecuted and convicted. However, to the criminal standard, he is innocent until proven guilty. Irony is that his role in PO/RM was to assume PMs were guilty (and Horizon was faultless) despite presumtion of innocence by PMs charged/dismissed/admonished.
Watching Jason Beer, a brilliant methodical and forensic legal mind, effortlessly pull apart the shamefully incompetent Singh is always a pleasure. I really hope Mr Singh receives all the legal and professional comeuppance he is due and soon! Beer has been outstanding throughout, the consummate professorial and a familiar face at many major inquiries over the years.
He's either lying through his teeth, or so professionally incompetent that it was criminal negligence to have him in the position he was in. In either case, he should be either criminally prosecuted for obstruction of justice or criminal negligence and sent to jail. Personally I'd send him to jail for the combined period of time that SPMs were sent to jail individually. Strip him of his pension and make him pay back all bonus paid to him. Publically humiliate him and destroy whatever reputation he has left.
@eugenecartwright4390 At least in this case, they are being held accountable at least in terms of public knowledge. We'll see what happens post inquiry, but I would expect several criminal trials, for at least Paula Vennells, Angela van den Bogard, Chris Aujard and Gareth Jenkins to start with. Jarnail Singh should be amongst them. Of all of them, he is one of the most involved, in the miscarriages.
This guy was lying continually,and new about the dodgy system and still prosecuted innocent people, and if there's any justice he should be barred from the legal profession for life and sent to jail for a lengthy term,
I love him and the other two huge brain boxed men who don’t even try to hide their contempt for the people they are questioning ! Each of the lawyers throughout these procedures have been clinically decisive and they all deserve public recognition ! Now onwards to Venells and I can’t wait to see her try to squirm away from accepting responsibility !
I'd love to meet Jason Beer and buy him a beer. These are the kind of unsung heroes that bring justice. What a guy, the way he systematically debunks all the hokum being presented to him. A total master of his work. Respect.
I love Beer too... and the other 2 cool gents... And the young Lady doesn't let a goal get through, she's like a crouching tiger! Nice but mean! 😉😄 They all deserve recognition and NOT the kind Vennals got! (for what is beyond me).... REAL RECOGNITION! They have shown everyone, how its MEANT to be done!! 💛
What a weasel! I hope he ends up in jail along with the rest of the truly despicable members of that Post Office management team. None of the have acknowledged any responsibility of anything they were paid substantial sums to handle.
It seems a lot of these people being questioned are suffering from amnesia. Or more like they’re protecting their own profound incompetence. I trust there will be criminal charges brought against them? And in some cases, corporate manslaughter charges. Disgraceful, self serving individuals.
It’s amusing to see a string of I don’t recall, I don’t recall and then suddenly an instant denial; I definitely didn’t do that, I did this exact thing that I suddenly have crystal clear memory of.
@@lonyo5377 Even with damning evidence via e mail trails, you’re saying these people have no case to answer because they can’t remember what happened 10 years ago?
@@lonyo5377 No, it is not. They have already been provided with all the papers they are being shown, and have had a long time to consider the whole situation. I simply don't believe them.
Put him in front of a jury and let's see if they accept his explanation. Vennells however will not be able to fall back on the limp excuse of never having read an email etc, the audio recordings prove she knew.
I'm positive that the PO would have known that the Horizon system was flawed when it first installed. The employer I used to work for, also introduced software that was flawed and they knew from the off that there was a problem. There were meetings with staff at the time, but the management would not admit any fault. The Post Office executives would have known that the software was faulty, but they just tried to muddle through and ignored concerns raised by postmasters shortly after the system was installed. They have continued to try to deny any liability as have the lawyers and other people working for them. They should all be in prison for a long time. Due to this government's lack of backbone, they will continue to get away with these lies.
"Public Inquiries" appear repeatedly to assess the facts in detail, embarrass the guilty to some greater or lesser extent, then let them go Scot Free; with "Lessons to be Learned". These people should be investigated by the Police, duly charged and brought before the criminal court.
He is the type of guy who doesn’t do a days work but goes to meetings and pontificates and BSs and avoids responsibility. Takes a fat salary and pension but zero responsibility.
You bet. I'm only just reading this. I've operated in these circles, where your eyes are going opaque and your brain melting with the odious twaddle that comes from the guttermouth within the circle. It's even more horrific when the chairperson is of the same ilk, then it becomes a game of tennis. And, the mis-truths and spin are obvious to everyone in the room. Thank fate for micro voice recorders.
He can't explain the language that he used! So obviously lying, not even Mr Jason Beer, KC can take his answers seriously. I must congratulate Mr Beer on managing to keep a look of incredulity from his face. I would have been asking questions like "What TF are you talking about? You WROTE the F*cking document!"
That's what their teams have told them to say. God knows how this man got through law school, how he analyses data, reads his mail or how he functions as a human. His life must be a mess, now its got even messier. He needs to be brought to task
It is acceptable in criminal court. If you cant remember (maybe because the event happened a long time ago) - then you cant remember. In a court with a jury it might not go down well though.
It just shows what a terrible state the Post Office got itself into. They appear to have been employing these incredibly inexperienced, incompetent people like Jarnail Singh in such senior positions. The business was only heading one way. What is completely unacceptable here is the prosecutorial powers they had which when added to their ineptitude, resulted in them ruining innocent people’s lives.
Probably every similar department in the country operates the same , the thing we all should be aware of is that if the system accuses you of anything , no matter how innocent you are , it’s time to skip this country
I don't remember receiving it (his email address is on "to" list|) , I don't remember reading it (it's stored on the local drive of his computer), I don't remember printing it (evidence that it had been sent to a printer in his workplace), I don't know the contents of it (though in communications him, he has .) How can he not be lying!!
He quite obviously is. He can try deny knowledge now all he wants, but the evidence is there that he knew a) of the bugs b) of the disclosure requirements, and that ,instead of doing what was required of a criminal lawyer involved in such cases and the highest criminal lawyer in the prosecuting body, he tried to cover it up. The evidence will send him to prison I hope.
Yes with the help of Fujitsu and the post office to steal money from their employees, extortion at the highest level. I hope no other company does this in the future if they are going under, PO was worried about insolvency in those years for a time so they devised a cruel plan to extort money from their SPM's, I really hope I am wrong but sorry this looks like it, any other company would have stopped Horizon in its tracks when it was proved it was not working right, this smacks of extortion/fraud to me.
They can say what they like at the inquiry. Saying "I don't recall" won't counter documented evidence in a criminal trial. The lawyers like Singh and Williams can see more clearly than some of the execs and investigators, that the jig is up and there is clear evidence of wrong doing that they are struggling to reasonably dispute.
Oh I really do hope they are tried, and convicted, of this evil cover up. They clearly know/remember everything, given the obvious implications on all those SPM's and their families of this sick cover up at the time.
I think with the inquiry is being careful not to directly make accusations or mention offences. But certainly in the testimony of the two I mentioned, and execs like Van Den Bogard, and probably Vennels to come, what is being highlighted is evidence of actual crimes, perjury, perverting the course of justice etc. The law teams have been brilliantly clinical in laying our the trail that it makes the idea of noone being prosecuted ridiculous to me.
this is going to go the same way the Zondo commission was done in South Africa, the videos are on here, it took 3 years to run, cost billions of Rands and 2 years later ,still no one has been found guilty and gone to jail, even after the commission saw how corrupt the ANC government is,
I’m afraid in the post office and other similar government institutions there are a lot of hard working competent people in low positions and a lot of incompetent people in high positions
The sad thing with all this enquiry is millions upon millions will be spent on it but at the end of the day no one will be convicted or imprisoned for their part in these lies and scandal. Just the rich boys club all looking out for each other! This enquiry is just a way of trying to pacify the masses. We should push and push until every single one who covered this up is behind bars for a very very long time
Similar events happened under Sturgeons watch up here in Scotland that carried on for years---no-one held responsible until recently when the dam burst and the lies and deceptions came gushing out and the cover up's started !
The only things he remembers are other people's actions. He can't even remember what he meant when he wrote emails. In a court, with a jury, there is no way this man would not be found guilty. Because he is guilty. To have only called him a liar once shows great retraint on the part of Jason.
Didn’t read any emails, didn’t have any responsibility, didn’t understand any of the cases, didn’t meet any of his co-workers… what was Mr Singh employed to do, exactly?
I’m am in awe how on earth do these people turn out to be solicitors lawyers and KC where on this planet do they pass their qualifications. From LA la Land
Surely PO lawyer Mr Singh was lying under oath. Working at Post Office for years and he says he did not know how to save and print a file. Any professional person needs to keep & retain digital information as part of doing their job. People can learn to do that within minutes. The report he received identifying bugs in the Horizon system was saved and printed out within 9 minutes. With a signature footnote user identification of the person printing the copy from a machine at the bottom of the pages. It's difficult to believe his statement, yet he denies receiving the report. If Mr Singh did not personally print the report as claimed, who did? And wouldn't it have been passed to him!
The location in the video is temporary internet files, that means he opened the document from an email, but didn't manually save it anywhere. Sounds like he should have saved it.
He can lie all he wants. The documents from the time show that he was made aware of the bugs, and also that he knew about disclosure requirements - he wrote as such when it became obvious that Second Sight unavoidably would disclose the bugs to MPs. He can try lie today he didn't know then, but he obviously did. And hopefully those documents will put him in jail.
This is a great example of why its always good to keep a contemporaneous paper trail confirming discussions/agreements. You never know who will turn on you and lie about or conveniently forget what they said.
His body language alone screams "liar". It’s incomprehensible that a government-owned organization would employ people who would conspire to mislead a court of law.
Looks like there are an awful lot of PO employees past and present who should be stripped or all they possess and then jailed for 20 years. How long will it take the police to process and arrest and charge them all?
@@susivarga7303 I don’t, but no amount of money could erase my humiliation and guilt. It makes you wonder if these people are actually capable of feeling shame.
@@honved1 No, they are not, that is how they end up in top positions with mentioned pension and you don't. They'll never go down, ever, for what they did. The system protects itself.
The lies from this Post Office Lawyer are deafening !!! These liars who prolonged and manipulated these prosecutions must be held accountable and pay dearly for their malfeasance!!!
A classic case of why "Don't rock the boat" shouldn't exist in companies. I've said it for years yet it still continues, especially in IT when a manager of a project doesn't want to "loose face", hence the Horizon scandal was allowed to happen. They had so many people there agreeing to not rock the boat. Not one of them said "Stop. Instead of denying the issues, lets acknowledge them and work with the Sub Postmasters to find a solution. They very may well be able to find us a common process that creates the fault"
Most jobs I have had have asked me to break the law (usually because the manager is ignorant of the law but not always). I'd be interested how many others have had the same experience.
@@gileshumphry I definitely see people who are open about problems getting sidelined and replaced by those with a "can do" attitude. I can imagine in a legally constrained area this would lead to... Colourful... Outcomes
@@gileshumphry Early on in my career it was more explicit. then I started to see where things were headed or the pattern that would lead to that scenario (being asked to do something illegal or to lie in an evidenciary way, or to decieve to protect the business etc) so I would assiduously start to swerve away from anyone or any position that showed that pattern. For that reason I am a contractor and never stay in organisations long as this pattern is endemic across corporate and government. This guy and the PO seniors were in deep on this and Vennells needed to overrule them and simply get it sorted as soon as it became obvious. She knew as did they all. She had the power to call it. She should have (And maybe lost her job because of it). Better for her to lose her job than to stand for this. She should have known (she did know), she should have acted. It WAS her responsibility.
@@1mlister It is if the subpostmasters have to crowdfund to make a private criminal prosecution, as the Post Office did with them. The police should prosecute in this case but if they don't, private prosecutions are a recourse.
I agree, do a crowd fund ,and put this bumbling,hum arr, huff puff head in hands LIAR in jail. What’s with the head dress pre evidence…? Out and out lying hypocrite
Poor old Jarnail..can't remember, wasn't there, don't know them, doesn't know what anybody is talking about., only remembers names of others if it can shift any suspicion away from him ...I thought he worked there as a senior lawyer! Hmm.... Would you engage him as a solicitor? Maybe he'd have made a better as a ticket collector on a bus or train. ? What a non memory, what a honest witness..who is he fooling ? Jason Beer must be boiling inside to the devious and deceptive replies. Hold that cell door wide open..I think you've got a new inmate on his way. Let's hope he has a long stay at His Majesty's pleasure. .. NOTE..He hasn't played the race card yet !
"I didn't know, I didn't understand, I didn't read it, I know I wrote that but I didn't know what it meant..." This man was instrumental in shutting down fair investigation, instrumental in the "legal" persecution of innocent people. JAIL.
"Is your name Jarnail Singh?" "Oh look I mean, I don't know.... I wasn't responsible for that.....I don't even understand what a name is....someone just handed me a piece of paper with a name on it and I forwarded it to someone else....I didn't read it, I didn't know anything about it.....if someone calls me Jarnail Singh then I know nothing about it...."
Perhaps his strategy is to deny everything until he is charged whereupon his memory will miraculously return to plead guilty and turn Kings evidence and sing like a canary for a lighter sentence.
I know he's probably making a lot of money out of this and only doing his job but I say may God bless you Jason Beer i think his name is, the K.C. here! Brent Collins.
In my opinion he is lying he knew precisely what it meant. I feel he fails to grasp A) the horrendous enormity and outright cruelty on SPM's lives of his actions and B) the seriousness and purpose of the inquiry, he thinks he can bluff his way through it and he is there just to "Assist". He needs his collar felt and felt very quickly.
For most of them, at this point, the revelation of grasping your points is nigh impossible. They'll believe its a politically motivated conspiracy against them and that their loyalty to the organisation and their own seniors has not been protected. Later, maybe they'll re-measure their position.
This person deserves to stand in front of a jury and have a fair for the seeming crimes they have committed . If the police don't act we need to follow Alan Bates and crowdfund such a process. We cannot let these people get away without a trial. My cheque book is ready if no action is taken. Let's have some proper justice for teflon executives for a change and get faith back in justice. Please join me if we need to Crowd fund for postmaster justice.
He's a new hero of mine. I love watching someone so skilled in their career. No one in the Post Office has a chance when they sit for cross examination with Mr. Jason Beer KC. He should be Knighted.
He rambles to obfuscate and he knows it. He's relied on it to play dumb for years. Hes known for a long time his only job is to protect the business and his competence is only required for that. For everything else he only needs to be a brick wall of incoherence so nothing happens. Thats all that was required for his job for a long time. Many senior positions are filled in this way to gate keep information in organisations. Rambling serves that purpose. He is lying about not reading the email, and he probably did print it and then destroyed it. His statements on that subject has red flags all over it. 4:46 His cuplability is exceptionally high. His statements reek of intentional obtusions (into rambling) whenever details or logical conclusions are imminent. He really played a part in this. 7:55 Beer probably rightly nailed it that the Singh had threatened the contractor with their jobs if they didnt find for the PO. Such behaviour is also ridiculously common in gov. Its corruption. Again hes played his part in this. Culpable. Beer was right that he wanted an opinion that supported the view the system was stable. 13:07 he states in the email exactly that. This guy could have done his job fairly and he potentially could have really helped this. Instead he rolled over. Deceitful, culpable and corrupt.
My eyes nearly rolled back and stuck there whilst I watched this. His lack of empathy and word salad whilst avoiding answering questions reminds me of the orange toddler in court over the pond.
As a Sikh, Mr. Singh myself, I sincerely apologise for this excuse for a man's cowardice and dishonesty. I sincerely hope that this doesn't mar our name.
They do basic IT courses in prison, teaching prisoners how to save documents, use printers etc. He will benefit from it.
Nice!
Hehe
Nobody goes to jail , ever
Oh I wondered what I needed to do to learn how to save docs and print off. Lots of us oldies often don’t waste money on a desk top computer and just have an iPad, perhaps that’s why we don’t understand desk top terminology.
Yeah, he will be a top student
Jason Beer is a masterful examiner-the research he has to undertake prior to cross examining is massive.A joy to watch at work.
Unfortunately its wasted on a percentage of viewers, who in their ignorance think they know more than Jason Beer. I agree, a great man, and a pleasure to see his intellect and logic at work.
I would NOT like to come up against Jason Beer!
Now it is evident WHY you use a specialist Solicitor or Barrister. Their team work very hard so the fee is to pay for a whole team of people and lets hope that we see JUSTICE! J Singh is an insult to all?
This man Singh is unbelievable. He didn`t know anyone in Post Office other than his line manager. He didn`t know anything, everything was out of his remit, he didn`t remember anything, nothing originated from him he just followed instructions from others, he never made a decision .He didn`t know the basics of a computer that a five year old would know and never read his emails .How on earth did he qualify as a solicitor ? Did he do anything in his years at POL other than to claim his over inflated salary and look forward to his generous pension?
Lots of them (managers) appear to be like this there. The manager of the investigation team said he didn't know anything. He just did what others told him. He got given documents that were technical and just signed them off as he relied on everyone else to do his job. So many of them were like this. They are all the Tom Smykowski character from Office Space "What is it you actually do here?"
Yeah, but at least he knows how to print a doc--- oh wait.
@@TheStevenWhitinghe still has his red swingline stapler
Lots of concentration camp guards and other perpetrators of atrocities give the same excuse. 'I was just following orders'. I bet he was more than happy to take his blood money.
The token deadwood to meet the woke quota
Can we have a round of applause for Jason Beer, I cannot understand how he hasn’t lost it with all the lies being told!
He is known for this style of questioning. Nice and pleasant, but difficult questions, and let the witness get themself into trouble.
3 million pounds in fees helps him deal with the lies
It seems to be a requirement for a senior job in the Post Office to be suffering from.Alzheimers as nobody can remember anything !!
@@SkinnyCow.Hope that comes from Vennells' 3 million bonus
👏👏👏 he’s brilliant !
He can't even look at the questioner. So many giveaways that this man should be prosecuted, pay back his earnings and lose access to work pensions - because he was a fraud unable to do his job (by his own words). Simply unbelievable.
I believe it's 'Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by misrepresentation'. It beggars belief the Post Office made him head of criminal law...... The criminal element appears to be solely how he operated.
He must be a Tory.
There was a lady lawyer from Northern Ireland who did the exact same thing; dementia at very convenient moments. At least she didn't waffle on at length with nothing to say.
@@kellwickcornwall7885it’s worse. He had obligations to disclose things that might assist a defence case or undermine his own. Not just in one case, it’s an ongoing obligation to do so under CPIA 1996. So if I as a prosecutor were to learn that evidence used to convict someone in a case I was running becomes discredited either at the time or (say) a few years later it would fall to me to disclose that fact. He’s open to prosecution for Pervert the Course of Justice and conspiracy to do so with others in the know at the time, max penalty is life!
I saw that the SRA (Solicitors Regulatory Authority) watched Singh’s evidence with someone writing a running commentary on their website. So karma is coming for Mr. Singh in one form or another. It’s been a shit-show from the off this enquiry, these shysters ran a coach and horses through statutory safeguards, railroading subbies into unjust verdicts, bankrupting some, ruining reputations, jailing the innocent, causing early deaths and despairing suicides all whilst protecting their flawed Horizon system and now it seems their own miserable hides too. Be interesting to see who, if any gets to grip the rail.
Edit for typos.
@@karlxx13its a scam by a shady cabal high up in the establishment the untouchables will control the outcome.
8:18
KC : "What does that paragraph mean then?"
Singh : "I don't know what it means .."
KC : "You wrote it"
I’m pissed myself at that bit!
😂😂😂😂
Tell me you're flustered & panicking without telling me...
I um um ah, it's not what you're suggesting...
What is it then?
Erm um um ah, I dont know.
What a prat.
"But it wasn't supposed to read like that, that's not what it meant" - Paula Vennells(!!)
Even John Cleese could not write this script!
They all need to be prosecuted and jailed
Agree
Best comment.
All of them, including Ministers
@@jefflong7573naive comment none will be jailed they will all escape scott free even though they are guilty.thats the best comment
Another disgusting individual.just a horrible person
Send him to bloody prison. What a disgusting corrupt little country this has become.
So has our little country way down under, there is no common law for real people ruled by charlatans.
its always been like this,,, only now we can paper trail .... bang to rights !!
@@abc33944
"has become"
lol
Well.. as we see Labour sucking up to the spivs in the City it ain't going away. Gawd help us all😮
I do feel sorry for poor old Mr Singh. He must have been minding his own buisness when, one day, walking past the Post Office HQ, someone unknown to him ran out of the building and thrust a series of legal files into his hands and told him he was now the PO's criminal lawyer. That is the only plausible explanation for this farce.
No, he started as the cleaner!
This comment made me lol 😆😆😆😆
He may well have; on the coat tails of mediocrity
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He is a bizarre character. Is he simply lazy and a grifter and liar? or in cognitive decline?
Thank God for people like Jason Beer KC! This guy is simply amazing and he’s just so eloquently turning over the stones and revealing the true face of this scandal!
I'm amazed how calm and collected Jason Beer remained when he recognised the lies coming from the mouth of Singh. I would have found it difficult to remain unmoved in such a situation !
An iron fist in a velvet glove.... top man.
He's a disgrace to us Sikhs. How dare he swear on the Holy Guru Granth Sahib and then proceed to lie through his teeth!
I wouldn't single out the Sikhs, he's a disgrace to human beings :)
Hey news just in - religious people of every 'faith' lie.
@@SamLowryDZ-015 yep, Paula Vennells was (and still is at this time) a lay preacher with the Church of England - and the last time I checked (before I left Catholicism 30 years ago), being honest and truthful was a big part of being a devout Christian.
Can you complain to someone about his swearing on your Holy Guru? Is that not something a fellow Sikh can do?( im a white roman Catholic 45yr old) I mean no disrespect 🙏
He is a disgrace to his family above all else.
I am now retired. But spent over twenty years as a senior nurse in an accute mental health unit. I learned that any wrong actions or neglect of responsibilities were never accepted by senior higher paid personnel. Their practice was always to find a person of a lower grade or status below them to blame and so on until it reached the person actually at the coal face who would be held responsible. If I felt that I was becoming vulnerable to such practice I always wrote a letter to the next ranking person above me stating my position and concerns thus passing the responsibility to them. I always kept a copy. Thus I protected myself from any incompetent and inadequate senior personnel. These people will not hesitate to pass the blame to those lower in the heirachy. Now we see just who these people at the top are. They have been rumbled.
Exactly. CYA on everything, Teflon coat and distance yourself from poor management.
I’m a rtd RN, OHN and I spent a lot of time ensuring I covered my ass whenever pen met paper for all the reasons you stated. Integrity is not an attribute of many managers I met.
Thats why I am unsure of Lucy Letby being guilty, and they all hide behind highcourt buzzwords and media outlets running narratives against the accused, disgusting.
He's lying through his teeth. The tone of that email makes it abundantly clear that he knows exactly who the other people are.
He has absolutely no credibility. His answers are just squirming waffle.
All these people have been coached by some lawyer, and told to deny that they seen anything, or knew anything, or can't remember, I really hope that after this inquiry, these people are charged and taken to court, if not then it's been covered up again.
I’m at an age where don’t need to lie… By a liar
Friday I pictured Mandy T spluttering into her morning coffee
I think he's so stupid he might not actually be lying consciously, he's just totally incompetent.
Shameful conduct. Please, please take this disgraceful liar to court.
When Singh was sent up to Scotland with a team from Cartwright King because the Procurator Fiscal was planning to overturn all Scottish prosecutions over this scandal .....
The guys from C.k. got the train there ( 1st class I expect) .... But Singh had to FLY there!! Shows how important HE thought he was, all paid for by the tax payer, then, in the enquiry admitted being sent there but knew nothing about Scottish Law, had no imput and basically didn't know what the Procurator Fiscal did up there!! ... Only the Scottish equivalent of the Crown Prosecutor!! Unbelievable!!
He shouldn't have bothered flying up there at all!
Just shows how full of his self importance he was within the P.O.!
Does he know where Scotland is? No disrespect to a Scotsman
Astonishing! Talk about being on the gravy train, quite literally! I wonder how many more like him there are, hiding in plain sight in government departments, public companies and elsewhere?
@@joparish1037 The world is full of people promoted beyond their capabilities. Sadly there are decent people that don't get a look in.
I do really like the name Procurator Fiscal, even though there is nothing fiscal about the procurator fiscal.
@@glasgowmcglasgowfacevotegr7049 me too, sounds naughty 😋
The dog ate my home work. End of story. This is gaslighting on steroids and breath-takingly arrogant but that he got so high up in the Post Office system is even more damning. Dog/homework does not exonerate him. We've seen this before in history. He needs to be on trial for many reasons.
The last time i saw such breathtaking arrogance and blatant lying was the trial by television interview of Dr Emil Savundra by David Frost, they're both complete crooks, this guy should be facing prison for his crimes.
Lol! So true... and denying everything is thr only way they won't incriminate themselves.
These idiots may have manipulated innocent people under threat and intimidation but they do not intimidate the people of this country who see right through them almost as soon as they open their mouths.
Jason Beer is the most calm, collected and calm person I have ever seen.
How he has not banged his head off his lecturn during some of the questioning he has undertaken. Plus last week he turned up whilst having the flu to question a witness.
Jason Beer deserves a Knighthood 😁
Or just gone for gold and back handed him
Jason Beer KC - The Gentleman Assassin!
10k aday helps with the stress
@@doggy55915 don't think there's much stress when you're the one holding all the aces!
I’d turn up to work with broken bones if I was paid £10k a day. Knighthood! Give me a break 😂
It's strange how makes himself out to be the stupidest lawyer ever with no understanding of written English, it's good to see him squirm though.
It’s not strange at all … he HAS to do it.
It is not a crime to be stupid.
It is a crime to pervert the course of justice and hide evidence and lie on oath.
He thinks that if he is concluded to be merely stupid then he won’t be in trouble.
The bad news for him is, the enquiry is bound to find he is telling lie after lie after lie.
For him, I reckon he will eventually find himself in jail as a result of criminal proceedings to follow this enquiry.
It’s the go to excuse in modern Tory Britain. If you’re caught in totally blatant wrong doing just explain that you are utterly incompetent and had no idea what your job was or what any of the rules were. If necessary plead a level of disconnection with reality that would have gotten you sacked from a paper round. And expect that to absolve you from all consequences while leaving your personal and professional legacy completely intact. It often works to. Boris Johnson claimed to have had zero idea what the laws he himself passed meant and to have barely known what room he was in or what he was doing at any point in his prime ministership as a way of getting out of blatant criminal acts. And he never faced serious legal repercussions and is still one of the highest paid journalists in the country and a significant portion of the Tory party desperately want him to return as PM. You can see why every lower level weasel and grifter see see it as a viable defence
@@WhichDoctor1do you think anyone has told him (and others trying this tactic) that this reverse Nuremberg/incompetent stupidity defence (Westminster Village defence?) only works for those at the top of the tree.
Prime and Cabinet ministers, senior executives, and the like won't see a criminal court, MPs and other boardroom executives should be found not guilty/case thrown out, everyone else is thrown to a baying, vengeful crowd.
@@pippipster6767I agree, the evidence is overwhelmingly highlight he is a key participant in the coverup.
@@pippipster6767 you do realise I said this in mock and know exactly what he's doing.😉
Despie being unwell Jason Beer simply wiped the floor with this pathological liar. There`s a special place in hell reserved for liars like this.
The P.O/ Government scandal and this spectacular Inquiry is shining a light on and giving us all a flavour of how the whole Country is staffed and run from the top down!!
It's called, "the Establishment", I saw this when I joined the civil service from school, one senior guy told me, " if you want to get on you must join the Freemasons ".
just remember all over the world its like that, all people working at government departments are useless lazy and not very bright, that I noticed when I moved from South Africa in Jan 2018 to Germany and had to apply for my permit,they kept on asking me for my papers that I had handed in at the German embassy in Pretoria when I applied to move to Germany, but it was all in the system,
Meanwhile the UK populace sleepwalks through the whole shit show
The scary thing is, how many other powerful companies have corrupt individuals like this??!!
How about adding the ferry fiasco that has been going on for years up here in Scotland with millions of pounds being thrown overboard and no-one being held to account---then there's the missing £600.000 still unaccounted for, need I go on, there's more !
A great many, you can be sure!
Now that is the big question!
Let’s hope some of these lying bastards go to jail 😡
C’mon, tell us how you really feel. 😂
Sooner this enquiry is over,the sooner criminal investigations can begin and hopefully we get several convictions
I’ll tell you…let’s hope these fukin bastards go to jail
They won’t
In your dreams I'm afraid, but I can hear the comments in the background when I heard this on my earphones while doing housework, I know they are beying for justice in the room.
FABULOUS prosecutor. An absolute credit to the legal profession.
Kudos to Jason Beer for his cross examination. The whole Post Office team keep lying, it is awful to watch and they deserve prosecution and jail time
Yes, but it's not so awful watching them squirm in their hot seats thinking of jail time.
If they are still lying, when it is already out in the open, is there something else they are trying to hide?
Well done Mr Beer, a formidable questioner. Imagine him arriving home and asking his wife what's for dinner. "I want to go out for dinner" she says. Jason: "That is an answer to a different question, dear. That is the answer to the question do you want to go out for dinner?". Mrs Beer: "Oh Jason, leave that at the office, you're at home now. I am not Mr Singh".
Mr Beer doing the nation proud!
Indeed. The difference between a lawyer and a KC is vast is it not?
He should be Prime Minister imo! We need a new breed of all politicians save the heroic few and Jason Beer would do us proud!
@chrisbevis7725 The system is corrupt. Self-serving politicians have brought this country to its knees
Jason Beer is a formidable interrogator. I would not have liked to be Mr. Singh in this situation. Great Work!
The idea that these people colluded to frame completely innocent people just continues to astound me! They lost everything.... absolutely EVERYTHING! Please tell me they're not going to get away with these crimes just because there's been a public enquiry!
And because they are the so called elite
He is doomed in the eyes of the public from the inept words from his own mouth but he is only a criminal if he is prosecuted and convicted. However, to the criminal standard, he is innocent until proven guilty. Irony is that his role in PO/RM was to assume PMs were guilty (and Horizon was faultless) despite presumtion of innocence by PMs charged/dismissed/admonished.
This guy isn’t called Singh, he’s really called Scott Free
Watching Jason Beer, a brilliant methodical and forensic legal mind, effortlessly pull apart the shamefully incompetent Singh is always a pleasure. I really hope Mr Singh receives all the legal and professional comeuppance he is due and soon! Beer has been outstanding throughout, the consummate professorial and a familiar face at many major inquiries over the years.
He's either lying through his teeth, or so professionally incompetent that it was criminal negligence to have him in the position he was in. In either case, he should be either criminally prosecuted for obstruction of justice or criminal negligence and sent to jail.
Personally I'd send him to jail for the combined period of time that SPMs were sent to jail individually. Strip him of his pension and make him pay back all bonus paid to him. Publically humiliate him and destroy whatever reputation he has left.
Now that would be justice served but somehow i cant see it happening
@eugenecartwright4390 At least in this case, they are being held accountable at least in terms of public knowledge.
We'll see what happens post inquiry, but I would expect several criminal trials, for at least Paula Vennells, Angela van den Bogard, Chris Aujard and Gareth Jenkins to start with. Jarnail Singh should be amongst them. Of all of them, he is one of the most involved, in the miscarriages.
This guy was lying continually,and new about the dodgy system and still prosecuted innocent people, and if there's any justice he should be barred from the legal profession for life and sent to jail for a lengthy term,
Sadly won't happen i bet ya, he will get away with it and this inquiry does nothing positive, like the covid inquiry
Knew
This guy was paid a hell of a lot of money for, according to him, passing papers on without reading or actioning them.
Beer as sharp as razor ...a great silk...he needs to be knighted for this....Sir Beer has a ring to it agreed
It would be great if the inquiry set up a "Buy Beer a Beer" for his fans.
I love him and the other two huge brain boxed men who don’t even try to hide their contempt for the people they are questioning ! Each of the lawyers throughout these procedures have been clinically decisive and they all deserve public recognition ! Now onwards to Venells and I can’t wait to see her try to squirm away from accepting responsibility !
I'd love to meet Jason Beer and buy him a beer. These are the kind of unsung heroes that bring justice. What a guy, the way he systematically debunks all the hokum being presented to him. A total master of his work. Respect.
He's an intellectual beast. Squeaky bum time for anyone who has this man on the opposition side.
I love Beer too... and the other 2 cool gents... And the young Lady doesn't let a goal get through, she's like a crouching tiger! Nice but mean! 😉😄 They all deserve recognition and NOT the kind Vennals got! (for what is beyond me).... REAL RECOGNITION! They have shown everyone, how its MEANT to be done!! 💛
What a weasel! I hope he ends up in jail along with the rest of the truly despicable members of that Post Office management team. None of the have acknowledged any responsibility of anything they were paid substantial sums to handle.
Weasel, that's it!
It seems a lot of these people being questioned are suffering from amnesia. Or more like they’re protecting their own profound incompetence. I trust there will be criminal charges brought against them? And in some cases, corporate manslaughter charges. Disgraceful, self serving individuals.
A little harsh to say amnesia when we're talking about things from more than 10 years ago. There is a reasonable assumption you might forget things...
It’s amusing to see a string of I don’t recall, I don’t recall and then suddenly an instant denial; I definitely didn’t do that, I did this exact thing that I suddenly have crystal clear memory of.
@@lonyo5377 Even with damning evidence via e mail trails, you’re saying these people have no case to answer because they can’t remember what happened 10 years ago?
@@lonyo5377 No, it is not. They have already been provided with all the papers they are being shown, and have had a long time to consider the whole situation. I simply don't believe them.
He can’t look at Beer at all when he’s questioned he has guilt written on his forehead!
Put him in front of a jury and let's see if they accept his explanation. Vennells however will not be able to fall back on the limp excuse of never having read an email etc, the audio recordings prove she knew.
I'm positive that the PO would have known that the Horizon system was flawed when it first installed. The employer I used to work for, also introduced software that was flawed and they knew from the off that there was a problem. There were meetings with staff at the time, but the management would not admit any fault. The Post Office executives would have known that the software was faulty, but they just tried to muddle through and ignored concerns raised by postmasters shortly after the system was installed. They have continued to try to deny any liability as have the lawyers and other people working for them. They should all be in prison for a long time. Due to this government's lack of backbone, they will continue to get away with these lies.
Jail. Jail. Jail. Him, Vennells, vdB and others, who bloody knew. THEY KNEW and they STILL procecuted.
That's the crux of the matter.
"Public Inquiries" appear repeatedly to assess the facts in detail, embarrass the guilty to some greater or lesser extent, then let them go Scot Free; with "Lessons to be Learned". These people should be investigated by the Police, duly charged and brought before the criminal court.
He is the type of guy who doesn’t do a days work but goes to meetings and pontificates and BSs and avoids responsibility. Takes a fat salary and pension but zero responsibility.
Spot on Steve, well said.
You bet.
I'm only just reading this. I've operated in these circles, where your eyes are going opaque and your brain melting with the odious twaddle that comes from the guttermouth within the circle. It's even more horrific when the chairperson is of the same ilk, then it becomes a game of tennis. And, the mis-truths and spin are obvious to everyone in the room. Thank fate for micro voice recorders.
DON'T FORGET THE BONUSES!
Well said!
He can't explain the language that he used!
So obviously lying, not even Mr Jason Beer, KC can take his answers seriously.
I must congratulate Mr Beer on managing to keep a look of incredulity from his face. I would have been asking questions like "What TF are you talking about? You WROTE the F*cking document!"
In a criminal court with a jury this line of ‘I can’t remember’ will not wash.
We wish it would go there. It won't. A disgrace.
@@sabre22b oh I think the sub postmasters/postmistresses will not be short of supporting funds to bring private prosecutions
That's what their teams have told them to say. God knows how this man got through law school, how he analyses data, reads his mail or how he functions as a human. His life must be a mess, now its got even messier. He needs to be brought to task
It happens all the time.
It is acceptable in criminal court. If you cant remember (maybe because the event happened a long time ago) - then you cant remember. In a court with a jury it might not go down well though.
What did Jamaal do as a post office lawyer? He too suffers from that contagious amnesia that seems to run all through the management team. Remarkable!
It just shows what a terrible state the Post Office got itself into. They appear to have been employing these incredibly inexperienced, incompetent people like Jarnail Singh in such senior positions. The business was only heading one way. What is completely unacceptable here is the prosecutorial powers they had which when added to their ineptitude, resulted in them ruining innocent people’s lives.
Privatising just creates a mafioso
Culture … them and us
Probably every similar department in the country operates the same , the thing we all should be aware of is that if the system accuses you of anything , no matter how innocent you are , it’s time to skip this country
Vennells, Perkins, Van den Bogerd, Aujard, Davies all need to be criminally charged & prosecuted IMHO
I don't remember receiving it (his email address is on "to" list|) , I don't remember reading it (it's stored on the local drive of his computer), I don't remember printing it (evidence that it had been sent to a printer in his workplace), I don't know the contents of it (though in communications him, he has .)
How can he not be lying!!
He then went on to claim he can’t have printed the document as he didn’t know how to print (at the time). It’s like a child’s lie. Simply ridiculous
He quite obviously is. He can try deny knowledge now all he wants, but the evidence is there that he knew a) of the bugs b) of the disclosure requirements, and that ,instead of doing what was required of a criminal lawyer involved in such cases and the highest criminal lawyer in the prosecuting body, he tried to cover it up. The evidence will send him to prison I hope.
Utterly shameful.
Perverting the course of justice
Yes with the help of Fujitsu and the post office to steal money from their employees, extortion at the highest level. I hope no other company does this in the future if they are going under, PO was worried about insolvency in those years for a time so they devised a cruel plan to extort money from their SPM's, I really hope I am wrong but sorry this looks like it, any other company would have stopped Horizon in its tracks when it was proved it was not working right, this smacks of extortion/fraud to me.
I am weeping for the loss of lives associated with this scandal. It’s despicable. How can these people live with themselves.
They can say what they like at the inquiry. Saying "I don't recall" won't counter documented evidence in a criminal trial. The lawyers like Singh and Williams can see more clearly than some of the execs and investigators, that the jig is up and there is clear evidence of wrong doing that they are struggling to reasonably dispute.
Oh I really do hope they are tried, and convicted, of this evil cover up. They clearly know/remember everything, given the obvious implications on all those SPM's and their families of this sick cover up at the time.
I doubt justice will be done.
I think with the inquiry is being careful not to directly make accusations or mention offences. But certainly in the testimony of the two I mentioned, and execs like Van Den Bogard, and probably Vennels to come, what is being highlighted is evidence of actual crimes, perjury, perverting the course of justice etc. The law teams have been brilliantly clinical in laying our the trail that it makes the idea of noone being prosecuted ridiculous to me.
It's straight out of the Boris Johnson playbook and needs to be stamped down upon.
this is going to go the same way the Zondo commission was done in South Africa, the videos are on here, it took 3 years to run, cost billions of Rands and 2 years later ,still no one has been found guilty and gone to jail, even after the commission saw how corrupt the ANC government is,
Slippery in the extreme - not me Guv! I wasn't told, I didn't know, it was someone else!!! It is strange how the "discrepancies" only went one way????
What a liar. He's not only lying through his teeth but also through his arse. He should be Prosecuted.
😂
Perhaps he can do conveyancing for the other inmates, like The Shawshank Redemption.
He surely will be.
This is a man that knows NOTHING, seen NOTHING and heard NOTHING - HE SHOULD BE THE ALL ENCOMPASSING 4TH MONKEY!
Fascinating that all these Post Office officials have suddently and inexplicably developed memory loss.
I’m afraid in the post office and other similar government institutions there are a lot of hard working competent people in low positions and a lot of incompetent people in high positions
Really well put. In my experience, that's exactly how it is.
You are describing ‘The Peter Principle’ here 😉
In a nutshell!
@darkangel9171 Correct in all walks of life unfortunately
And god help anyone who tries to whistle blow
He should be in prison for perjury
This is a classic, "How to incriminate oneself", 101.
The sad thing with all this enquiry is millions upon millions will be spent on it but at the end of the day no one will be convicted or imprisoned for their part in these lies and scandal. Just the rich boys club all looking out for each other! This enquiry is just a way of trying to pacify the masses. We should push and push until every single one who covered this up is behind bars for a very very long time
Similar events happened under Sturgeons watch up here in Scotland that carried on for years---no-one held responsible until recently when the dam burst and the lies and deceptions came gushing out and the cover up's started !
At least their reputations will be different.
Liar,liar,liar,liar……..just protecting his massive pension……jail time for these liars
The only things he remembers are other people's actions. He can't even remember what he meant when he wrote emails. In a court, with a jury, there is no way this man would not be found guilty. Because he is guilty. To have only called him a liar once shows great retraint on the part of Jason.
Didn’t read any emails, didn’t have any responsibility, didn’t understand any of the cases, didn’t meet any of his co-workers… what was Mr Singh employed to do, exactly?
I’m am in awe how on earth do these people turn out to be solicitors lawyers and KC where on this planet do they pass their qualifications. From LA la Land
Surely PO lawyer Mr Singh was lying under oath. Working at Post Office for years and he says he did not know how to save and print a file. Any professional person needs to keep & retain digital information as part of doing their job. People can learn to do that within minutes. The report he received identifying bugs in the Horizon system was saved and printed out within 9 minutes. With a signature footnote user identification of the person printing the copy from a machine at the bottom of the pages. It's difficult to believe his statement, yet he denies receiving the report. If Mr Singh did not personally print the report as claimed, who did? And wouldn't it have been passed to him!
The location in the video is temporary internet files, that means he opened the document from an email, but didn't manually save it anywhere. Sounds like he should have saved it.
Singh is a miserable liar who has come to the enquiry as he was summoned and to try and hide his criminality.
More slippery than an oil bath.
He's either mentally incompetent or guilty as sin and in denial. I know what I think..
It's possible that he's both!
He can lie all he wants. The documents from the time show that he was made aware of the bugs, and also that he knew about disclosure requirements - he wrote as such when it became obvious that Second Sight unavoidably would disclose the bugs to MPs. He can try lie today he didn't know then, but he obviously did. And hopefully those documents will put him in jail.
"I'm at an age where I have come to assist this inquiry"
What, what what
This is a great example of why its always good to keep a contemporaneous paper trail confirming discussions/agreements. You never know who will turn on you and lie about or conveniently forget what they said.
His body language alone screams "liar". It’s incomprehensible that a government-owned organization would employ people who would conspire to mislead a court of law.
This guy is literally unbelievable
Looks like there are an awful lot of PO employees past and present who should be stripped or all they possess and then jailed for 20 years. How long will it take the police to process and arrest and charge them all?
I’d rather admit everything and take the consequences than humiliate myself in front of everyone like this.
I guess you are not a narcissist 👍
Well, you probably don't have his pension pot.
@@susivarga7303 I don’t, but no amount of money could erase my humiliation and guilt. It makes you wonder if these people are actually capable of feeling shame.
@@honved1
No, they are not, that is how they end up in top positions with mentioned pension and you don't.
They'll never go down, ever, for what they did.
The system protects itself.
Psychopaths aren’t known for empathy. You aren’t a psychopath.
No-one in the 'dock' seems to 'recall' anything. I don't think they even understand what they are saying themselves. I certainly don't.
The lies from this Post Office Lawyer are deafening !!! These liars who prolonged and manipulated these prosecutions must be held accountable and pay dearly for their malfeasance!!!
Please look how the guy WILL NOT LOOK at the man asking questions
“I am at an age…where i don’t need to go prison”
Like any sane person believes him?
All those lawyers in this scandal that have lied should be disbarred and sent to jail.
A classic case of why "Don't rock the boat" shouldn't exist in companies. I've said it for years yet it still continues, especially in IT when a manager of a project doesn't want to "loose face", hence the Horizon scandal was allowed to happen.
They had so many people there agreeing to not rock the boat. Not one of them said "Stop. Instead of denying the issues, lets acknowledge them and work with the Sub Postmasters to find a solution. They very may well be able to find us a common process that creates the fault"
Don't forget the post office tried to refuse to use horizon and were overridden from above! Dickery upon dickery.
Most jobs I have had have asked me to break the law (usually because the manager is ignorant of the law but not always). I'd be interested how many others have had the same experience.
@@gileshumphry I definitely see people who are open about problems getting sidelined and replaced by those with a "can do" attitude. I can imagine in a legally constrained area this would lead to... Colourful... Outcomes
@@gileshumphry Early on in my career it was more explicit. then I started to see where things were headed or the pattern that would lead to that scenario (being asked to do something illegal or to lie in an evidenciary way, or to decieve to protect the business etc) so I would assiduously start to swerve away from anyone or any position that showed that pattern.
For that reason I am a contractor and never stay in organisations long as this pattern is endemic across corporate and government.
This guy and the PO seniors were in deep on this and Vennells needed to overrule them and simply get it sorted as soon as it became obvious. She knew as did they all. She had the power to call it. She should have (And maybe lost her job because of it). Better for her to lose her job than to stand for this. She should have known (she did know), she should have acted. It WAS her responsibility.
Awaiting the 6am knock on the door, the prosecution, and after the guilty verdict, the civil claims. Life down the toilet 🚻
Yep, Zero eye contact....guilty as!
A great memory for anything that covers his back but forgets or denies anything damming.Transparent.
JAIL time. Crowdfund. We can do it
I think it will unfortunately have ro come to that .I don't think the police will do anything
Err. That’s not how gaol works..
@@1mlister It is if the subpostmasters have to crowdfund to make a private criminal prosecution, as the Post Office did with them. The police should prosecute in this case but if they don't, private prosecutions are a recourse.
I agree, do a crowd fund ,and put this bumbling,hum arr, huff puff head in hands LIAR
in jail.
What’s with the head dress pre evidence…?
Out and out lying hypocrite
Poor old Jarnail..can't remember, wasn't there, don't know them, doesn't know what anybody is talking about., only remembers names of others if it can shift any suspicion away from him ...I thought he worked there as a senior lawyer! Hmm.... Would you engage him as a solicitor? Maybe he'd have made a better as a ticket collector on a bus or train. ? What a non memory, what a honest witness..who is he fooling ? Jason Beer must be boiling inside to the devious and deceptive replies. Hold that cell door wide open..I think you've got a new inmate on his way. Let's hope he has a long stay at His Majesty's pleasure. .. NOTE..He hasn't played the race card yet !
"I didn't know, I didn't understand, I didn't read it, I know I wrote that but I didn't know what it meant..."
This man was instrumental in shutting down fair investigation, instrumental in the "legal" persecution of innocent people. JAIL.
I agree with your assessment.
I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious liar.
The nerve of the man, he's going through this like he's a stranger dragged in off the streets, i know nothing about nothing 😡
"Is your name Jarnail Singh?"
"Oh look I mean, I don't know.... I wasn't responsible for that.....I don't even understand what a name is....someone just handed me a piece of paper with a name on it and I forwarded it to someone else....I didn't read it, I didn't know anything about it.....if someone calls me Jarnail Singh then I know nothing about it...."
Perhaps his strategy is to deny everything until he is charged whereupon his memory will miraculously return to plead guilty and turn Kings evidence and sing like a canary for a lighter sentence.
I know he's probably making a lot of money out of this and only doing his job but I say may God bless you Jason Beer i think his name is, the K.C. here! Brent Collins.
Suddenly he doesn't remember anything.
No. He couldn’t remember anything in his first sitting at the desk! JB is far too sharp for this guy.
@@johnwalkley6746 I want a job where I can't do anything because I can't remember anything.
@navi2710
Can you say that again … I don’t recall ?
@@abc33944 I don't rememeber what was said.
This guy is so lucky. All mistakes, problems and issues are other people's fault, and he had no idea about them. Lucky guy.
In my opinion he is lying he knew precisely what it meant. I feel he fails to grasp A) the horrendous enormity and outright cruelty on SPM's lives of his actions and B) the seriousness and purpose of the inquiry, he thinks he can bluff his way through it and he is there just to "Assist". He needs his collar felt and felt very quickly.
For most of them, at this point, the revelation of grasping your points is nigh impossible. They'll believe its a politically motivated conspiracy against them and that their loyalty to the organisation and their own seniors has not been protected. Later, maybe they'll re-measure their position.
This person deserves to stand in front of a jury and have a fair for the seeming crimes they have committed .
If the police don't act we need to follow Alan Bates and crowdfund such a process. We cannot let these people get away without a trial.
My cheque book is ready if no action is taken.
Let's have some proper justice for teflon executives for a change and get faith back in justice.
Please join me if we need to
Crowd fund for postmaster justice.
Love Mr Beer has a bit of Rumpole of the Bailey humour ❤
He's a new hero of mine. I love watching someone so skilled in their career. No one in the Post Office has a chance when they sit for cross examination with Mr. Jason Beer KC.
He should be Knighted.
Agree totally.
He rambles to obfuscate and he knows it. He's relied on it to play dumb for years. Hes known for a long time his only job is to protect the business and his competence is only required for that.
For everything else he only needs to be a brick wall of incoherence so nothing happens. Thats all that was required for his job for a long time. Many senior positions are filled in this way to gate keep information in organisations. Rambling serves that purpose.
He is lying about not reading the email, and he probably did print it and then destroyed it. His statements on that subject has red flags all over it. 4:46
His cuplability is exceptionally high. His statements reek of intentional obtusions (into rambling) whenever details or logical conclusions are imminent. He really played a part in this.
7:55 Beer probably rightly nailed it that the Singh had threatened the contractor with their jobs if they didnt find for the PO. Such behaviour is also ridiculously common in gov. Its corruption. Again hes played his part in this. Culpable.
Beer was right that he wanted an opinion that supported the view the system was stable. 13:07 he states in the email exactly that. This guy could have done his job fairly and he potentially could have really helped this. Instead he rolled over. Deceitful, culpable and corrupt.
My eyes nearly rolled back and stuck there whilst I watched this. His lack of empathy and word salad whilst avoiding answering questions reminds me of the orange toddler in court over the pond.
What a lier this man is.He should be sent straight to prison for perjury,if nothing else.
What a shameful way to bring the legal profession into disrepute 😮
As a Sikh, Mr. Singh myself, I sincerely apologise for this excuse for a man's cowardice and dishonesty. I sincerely hope that this doesn't mar our name.
I can only listen to this for a couple minutes, it's sickening 😮
I hope there was a sick bucket close by !
This is excruciating and damning stuff.