Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies…….she is diverting, selective memory, responding with long rambling answers. If she does not go to prison then there is no justice in the UK.
Starmer let off Jimmy Savile as proven by MoS expose' by Dan Hodges. Savile got away with it. Rich & woke get away with it a lot. So Will Vennells get a life sentance?
There’ll be no justice because it will be claimed she would not get a fair trial, since it’s all being televised. Now find a jury who has not watched or developed an opinion on this case.
@@custossecretus5737 agreed, and I think that’s been engineered as damage limitation by the government . The plebs see her squirming but to prison they ain’t going.
Like Bill Gates said when Microsoft was being investigated for monopoly practice in the 1990s. _"No-one told me, I didn't know, I can't remember."_ Sounded like a petty crook being questioned by the police. They are either liars or incompetent - take your pick.
@@thetruth9210 If there was even a slight chance of that happening, her accountant would be working on it day and night, so that legally she would appear to have not a broken penny to her name.
Fast tracked to raise the female quota? My local postwoman is a stonger personality, and more honest I'm sure. Better looking too, but that's a very low hurdle.
It is so embarrassing to witness someone so poor, for even being considered for such a big job. Her appointment ' commitee ' must take the blame....Or were they setting her up for the inevitable fall ?.....
Why do you think she got her job in the first place? She's fulfilling her role as a corporate drone immaculately. Her tears on Day One were perfectly timed.
Actually she cannot make a complete concise sentence, all is interjected with other sidetrack statements. It’s of no surprise that nothing was straightforward under her tenure
What was the government doing when all this scandal was being brought to the attention of the public from private eye and other media outlets . The whole post office senior management and directors during this scandal where all complicit in the cover up and must pay for this corruption people died" and went to prison ruined lives made bankrupt thru their lies and corruption.
Not at all surprising. Senior managers in most companies are chosen for their ability to obfuscate and to have a very flexible relationship with the truth.
They need to count up all the jail time the sub-postmasters & mistresses served & hand that down to each on of them on an average it would be over 100 years, this would keep them out of society for the rest of there lives, remember 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, especially in Ms V's case as an Ordained Minister/
She's an expert at time wasting. Long, long irrelevant answers and "can you please repeat the question". If it was a game of football, there would be extra time.
She really earned that salary, they might as well had put a scarecrow in her office. When they tell us that these million pound salaries that CEO's get are justified and needed to attract the 'highest quality' candidates, remember this abysmal woman and her complete admission that she didn't have any input into the running of the company.
Aunt Sally Vennells is just a punching bag for a instutional system that's not what it claims to be. To limit this only to Vennells is to be distracted to the interlinked network of institutions that wanted this scandal buried.
@@robertosborne7542 I get it that she is trying to distance herself from what she was responsible for, and that comes at the cost of making herself look incompetent. Much like most of the other people who have been questioned, but they can't have it both ways.
Even if govt could do that, her lawyer will have already protected her cash and assets. If she has broken actual laws the Police and CPS will force her into a trial, and she might be jailed. For me, I’d prefer she was heavily fined. Jails are full, 3 yrs of community service would be better. She’s a corporate player, she’d be comfortable in jail.
@@CalTheKiwi1 It's not just jails are full but WE pay those bills. I object to paying for her food and accommodation and perks in jail. In spite of her incompetence she got outrageous salary and bonuses and must return ALL of that towards paying for her jail term. and same for all the others who'll be jailed and what's left over must go towards the compensations. As for protecting her cash, if it can't be got at, she will have to work her jail term and work after to pay back her debts and ditto the rest of them. Jail shouldn't be lazy fun.
I have worked in two large corporates and as many others will have experienced, there are frightening parallels with my own recollections of some of the worst standard practices of them, with their closing ranks when threatened, bullying, isolating individuals they see as a potential threat. This case will be studied for decades by business students to exemplify the very worst of bad management practice. There are lessons to be learnt by many corporates in the exposures of bad practice laid bare here, putting the benefit of the company way ahead of the rightful benefit of individuals working within it.
@@jamesrussel1133 They won't learn, it's not in their interest to acknowledge anything like that. When you read the pages of Private Eye, it never seems to end.
She talks as if she’s was not aware of anything that was going on in the company she was running yet earned a multi million pound salary with benefits. Incredible.
incredible isnt it? they display such incompetence and memory loss after the events,,, I wonder if the displayed this incompetence in the board room? Id say its more 'selective incompetence'
So she was mislead by her lawyers, blah, blah! The blame game shamefully played out together with excuses! However she was the CEO of the Post so has full responsibility for what happened on her watch! Paid a fortune for not doing her job! Dreadful woman!
Yes, the problem with corporations is the job of the CEO is to maximise profit. That’s it. There’s only corporate/societal responsibility if it affects profits and is a company target.
She went from "I can't remember this and that" to remember an audit process and the finnest details and reasoning behind that. Impressive the mental gymnastics
The fact she got the Chairman's warning makes me hopeful she is a target for the police investigation. She lied to parliament via the select committee and has admitted that so that a criminal offence.
This is why waiting YEARS to sort through all this is such a bad idea. "I don't remember " "I don't recall" blah blah blah. Well, if you don't remember, that doesn't help your case. WHERE DID ALL THE "STOLEN" MONEY GO? Has no one looked into the financial records of this gash? What's worse is, no one is gonna go to jail for any of this. No one.
@@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955 the CPS and the police will do fuck all about it they're also corrupt and rotten to the core and often piss in the same pot as people like Vennells
I’ve never known an organisations where nobody knew anything that was going on. We all know they knew & were involved in a cover up and a scam. It’s absolutely shocking seeing these people blatantly lying.
IF and it is a big IF any compensation is paid out to these poor unfortunate Sub-Postmasters then not a single penny should come from the British taxpayer. It should come from the people responsible and Fujitsu!
@@Woofersgaloreone would hope so but knowing the nature of HMRC they will try to stick their greasy fingers in any cash that passes to the postmasters.
This woman embodies how a position of power and wealth can be gained from years of perfecting torrents of articulate-SOUNDING, but hollow, blart in a posh accent.
I think you will find that this is a Tony Blair government computer system and they were never going to admit that it was a total disaster for the amounts of money it cost just one of the many Blair's government fuckk ups
I think there needs to be an investigation & audit into who were the board of people/advisors/recruiters who suggested, interviewed, rated & ultimately approved this woman for the role of CEO of a national institution such as the Post Office. I now feel they also should be held accountable for appointing this truly incompetent & awful woman.
If she doesn’t get locked up, it just proves my theory , the whole lot of them The judiciary in this country from top to bottom are rotten to the core.
It's the Old Boys Brigade. Is it coincidence that Sir Kier Starmer claimed he couldn't find enough evidence to prosecute Sir Jimmy Saville who just happened to be best mates with paedophile royalty?
It's a select club. Self selecting self serving club. It is an echo chamber of these types on a merry go round of well paid "jobs" tgat are nithing more than seat warming.
People like Vennells normally befriend senior managers, kiss their arses and show they are good at their jobs so the managers then see and think they have a friend and thats where it goes wrong being friends with your subordinates leads to favouritism and loyalty so these people get promotions because of that whilst more competent employees who don't arse kiss their way up get overlooked. I've seen it many times poisonous and incompetent people befriend the managers for an easy time and utter cunts to their colleagues then they get promoted and you see their true colours
She would make a great politician, she rarely answers the question asked and can naturally lie without showing any signs that she is. Who'd player her at poker 🤷♂️
Legal advice, if you can't recall the details clearly and there is no written proof then you can't remember, unless the incomplete memory you recall is helpful to your case.
She never knew? She never heard any rumours? Whispers? Suspicions? Questions which needed answered, especially by the top person supposedly in charge ? . . . Surely beyond belief !
They knew because Computer Weekly outlined the issues but they decided to write it off as a trade magazine that didn’t know what it was talking about. How they decided an IT trade magazine didn’t know about IT based on their own lack of knowledge escapes me
I just dont understand... when you obviously knew the system was effecting even a small number of postoffics ..... why would one proceed to criminal court and threats to your loyal employees? Why not, finish the investigation and prove the guilt or innocent before ""YOU" reveleased the worst kind of mental TORTURE on these innocent people. Shame on you
Will ANYONE responsible for ANY of this dreadful affair EVER TELL THE TRUTH? I fear not, thus making the ENTIRE PROCESS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY! Even more important WILL ANYONE BE BROUGHT TO BOOK?
Good point. The question of why did Fujitsu behave in this manner hasn't been addressed at all. Hopefully, it will be when some Fujitsu creatures eventually give evidence.
Remote access is entirely normal in this kind of system. You couldn't possibly manage a network of 11,500 branches without it. All banks and retailers have the same capability. The problem is that the remote access was done using the sub postmaster's account and there was no audit trail of the access.
@@grahamf695 There's a difference between remote access to maintain and update the system and to change or add data. The latter should have been inaccessible.
She has to go to jail. Who runs a company and doesn't think that send hundreds of their own staff to court and jail isn't worth looking into. She is a criminal
She is a liar but the blink,blink theory is complete rubbish.. people can do it through anxiety and stress it doesn't mean their lying.. psychopaths and sociapaths can tell complete lies without blinking an eye..
I've been waiting to see any reference to her involvement in the Church. I could NOT believe anyone chosing to "Make a mission of providing salvation, except for those rotting in jail on my account".
She seems to have relied on 'faith' in every aspect of her life. The more I hear about the Post Office the more it sounds like a cult. She drank the koolaid.
She seems to be able to pass the buck rather easily, when cornered the response is " can't remember" or tears. Clearly her CV should now include 'actress'.
We'll never see her in public answering questions again after this. It's a small price for her to pay compared to what her organisation did to the postmasters.
@@TabsT-vy5jy Exactly. Vennells and the MP's all piss in the same pot. She'll be allowed to keep her millions and her pensions of course but the subpostmasters will get a small fraction of what Vennells earned and got through deception and dishonesty
You see, these people get paid massive amounts to know and do nothing. That's why the poor need to swallow the cost of inflation. How else would these types pay themselves higher salaries and bigger bonuses?
I have a question, which may seem a bit dim, if so i apologise. The post office accounts could be accessed directly by Fujitsu, the money, has anyone ever checked to see if Fujitsu staff were filtering this money? This may go some way to explain where it all went.
@@josephinedewar4469- into the Post Office's profits - which is why no-one, from the Government down through the Post Office's directors, asked any questions.
You have a misunderstanding. We are not talking about bank accounts, we are talking about a system which says "you have £x in the safe". Fujitsu can only change how much money the system thinks is in the safe. They cannot transfer money to other places as it is physical cash.
I feel SORRY for the Anglican Church, I did not think they would like a PRIEST to OBVIOUS show them up in such a POOR light .Personally I think she has LIED through her teeth and should be DE-FROCKED before being sent to PRISON for all the harm she oversaw
LOL. 'We were all chuffed with the quality of the audit that highlighted a litany of problem, some of which extremely severe'. Fix problems? Nah. Acknowledge there are problems which support people's assertions they're not crooks? Nah. Cover everything up to "protect the institution"? Absolutely, 💯 The irritating thing is, this is pretty much the case for most big businesses these days, rotten to core, with most revenue going to PR & Marketing to keep it all looking perfect.
They are all liars and all played their part in what happened toball those innocent people, then when they came to understand they were all wrong, they attempted to hid it all......,.all involved should be charged and end up in court, just as they did to all the innocent postmasters they did that to.
Come on everybody YES the target is now her but how many very bad people who we're complicit in this are going to get away scott free unless this is kept up. It's much bigger than just her.
They will ALL get away with it. If one of the top folks goes down for this, it sets a precedent for every Boss and CEO in the corporate elite to be vulnerable and repsonsible for their actions. They cannot have that.
But she should not get away from the fact that she was responsible for the PO precisely at the time that innocent people were being convicted. She has no excuses. She was paid extremely well to do a job that, clearly, she was not capable of doing.
The Buck stops with her that’s what she got paid plenty for . Yes the others down the line are all to blame as well and each and every one of them has to pay all the money they got in bonuses and perks. As what they got was all stolen !!!
Can one of the KC’s please ask her what the job of a CEO is, and remind her of Harry Truman’s ‘The Buck Stops Here’ ? If she was going to be as amenable as she claims she was to any suggestion from anywhere then she should never have taken the job. But she says she DID ask questions. Where are they, then ? Where are the e-mails with those questions in them ?
@thetruth9210 I’m a lawyer. The lawyers are doing very well. Especially Mr Beer, who is brilliant, but others too. It’s an inquiry, where the main goal is to get her evidence out, whether it’s lies or truth, to get her to answer questions & give her version. It might look like they’re not pinning her down, but it’s just that they stop when she has given her position & held it after being confronted with the opposing facts/arguments. They don’t need to call her a liar every time. Later the inquiry judge will assess her evidence & credibility against all the other evidence & documents.
@@meganm1074Yes, I agree the lawyers are doing very well, particularly Jason Beer and Sir Edward Henry. And I understand the situation they are in - it’s a public enquiry, not a court of law. What I was getting at was that she was the CEO of the Post Office, which made her responsible whether she likes it or not. I saw elsewhere that she said that,even as CEO, she wasn’t responsible for everything that happened underneath her, or words to that effect. If that were true, it would merely support her position (which, as far as I can see, every senior member of the Post Office who has been questioned has adopted) that everything that went wrong was someone else’s fault, because she didn’t know or didn’t have the necessary expertise or hadn’t been told. It was her job to know, and also to ask some pointed questions rather than just fling out a few ineffectual ones and then go along with whatever she was told. Before retirement I worked for some very senior people in the police service, and none of them would have accepted some of the things she accepted without asking some very serious questions. I wasn’t seriously suggesting the KC’s should ask her what she thought the job of a CEO was, but I would have been very interested to hear just what she thinks it is !
Funny how she can remember some things vividly from 10 or more years ago, but finds it difficult to remember or recall 🙄 important relevant things that are key to getting down to who is to blame for this outrageous, scandalous and damm right criminal actions by all involved.
Anything to deflect from her criminal activity. Let's hope justice prevails. She never gave any consideration to the postmasters - they were all guilty.
Having now seen her in action and with 16 years of being a teacher (from industry) dealing with inner city kids whose very instinct and natural reaction was to lie, blame every one else but themselves, pause so they can think of an excuse, blink continuously and most of all truly believe they have done nothing wrong. A classic example, I once caught a girl of 15 in front of a class I was about to teach, writing on my white board something extremely rude about me, who after watching her do it, on turning around on seeing me, drop the felt tip and without thinking said "It wasn't me!" The DEA and Teacher Training Colleges should use these video of Vennells to teach new teachers how to spot the classic signs of a LIAR and a person in total denial they did any wrong. The thing is as with psychopaths which I believe in truth she really is, their total inability even with a wealth of examples, an avalanche of evidence, public's reaction to her when she leaves to go home and possibly she reads all the comments in the TH-cams STILL believes she did nothing wrong and was not her fault.
why isn't she behind bars She's gone away with it for far too long she's got far too much to answer for and she's like government 2015 is proved that She's only the tip of the iceberg and are they waiting for her to take everything for what happened when the others who must be quaking in their boots knowing exactly what's going to happen to them By the way that Fujitsu put money into a fund for the innocent postmasters and postmistresses I've never heard anything yet
How has collective amnesia and blatant denial of facts & documented evidence become the default defence of people in high office? Vennells, Johnson, Sunak, Hancock, etc are a national disgrace and have brought shame on this country. What a truly awful example to our children growing up, to show that financial gain can be procured not through honest hard labour, but by being a liar, corrupt and Incompetent.
she isnt accepting any responsibility at all, and its another example of someone in the UK in such a senior position, including being an Anglican priest with such poor morals and values. These processes in the UK are inherently broken, all the time were hearing of people in positions of trust abusing it for their own personal gain.
Time and time again we are told that those at the top attract salaries many times in excess of staff because they bring so much talent, experience, and have such a positive influence on the business to the level that they can command six and seven figure payments, bonuses and benefits. We are told they shoulder much responsibility and that if it goes wiring will carry the can, and thus are entitled to all this. Yet, time and time again when the shit hits the fan they are shown to be out of touch, incompetent, and clueless and completely unresponsible for anything, blaming everyone else in range and beyond. They should be dismissed, banned from running anything ever again, made to pay back the massive payments and wards, and where appropriate jailed. You cannot ruin people’s lives through criminality, negligent or incompetence and get off Scott free. Ignorance is no defence, incompetence won’t get you off as much as a speeding ticket so it shouldn’t work here.
@@doctordeej I think jobs are given now using the smart technique where a man has to play the role of a white knight to get the job. Meanwhile employers are looking for social inclusion to make themselves look good for their HR department. Stoicism nowadays will get you nowhere despite the fact that the whole infrastructure of the country was built on it. Paula Vennells was clearly not the best candidate for the job but clearly the whole place was a shambles.
And what about the thugs she hired to interrogate and intimidate? They reported directly to her so she knew what was happening and obviously knew it was so wrong, but it obviously went against her desire to persecute innocent people.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies…….she is diverting, selective memory, responding with long rambling answers. If she does not go to prison then there is no justice in the UK.
There IS NO JUSTICE. this is the uk. Wake up. Better justice in Korea……
Starmer let off Jimmy Savile as proven by MoS expose' by Dan Hodges. Savile got away with it. Rich & woke get away with it a lot. So Will Vennells get a life sentance?
There’ll be no justice because it will be claimed she would not get a fair trial, since it’s all being televised.
Now find a jury who has not watched or developed an opinion on this case.
She won’t. Part of the establishment, taking millions of public money for their own benefits. The world is full of them.
@@custossecretus5737 agreed, and I think that’s been engineered as damage limitation by the government . The plebs see her squirming but to prison they ain’t going.
Put her in prison and seize her bonuses.
And her salary and Pension.
And the bonuses paid out to all the others whose deceit led to this abominable miscarriage of justice,who all should spend time in the clink as well.
What laws has she broken?
Perjury
@@robertcook2572Conspiracy to defraud, and pervert the course of justice. Any more questions?
I was the CEO but no one told me anything
Like Bill Gates said when Microsoft was being investigated for monopoly practice in the 1990s. _"No-one told me, I didn't know, I can't remember."_ Sounded like a petty crook being questioned by the police. They are either liars or incompetent - take your pick.
@@lexlayabout5757incompetent liars
bang on!! A CEO who knew nothing and was involved in nothing!!
Never has credulity been stretched so far.
@@danielbate13 Highly competent liars.
It's not LA LA LAND. It's lie lie lie land
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Shes just a liar , trying protect her own back , and her nice little fortune
Part of her earnings should go to those affected!
All of her earnings and more
at one stage she was on over 13 grand a week.....nobody is worth that much.....power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...
@@olias2716 That's basic salary, isn't it. The proper earnings of all those CEOs are in bonuses, aren't they.
@@thetruth9210 If there was even a slight chance of that happening, her accountant would be working on it day and night, so that legally she would appear to have not a broken penny to her name.
How on earth did this woman ever become chief executive?
Put in place to be the fall guy.
Fast tracked to raise the female quota? My local postwoman is a stonger personality, and more honest I'm sure. Better looking too, but that's a very low hurdle.
My very thought.
It is so embarrassing to witness someone so poor, for even being considered for such a big job. Her appointment ' commitee ' must take the blame....Or were they setting her up for the inevitable fall ?.....
Salary..£700,000 per annum or £14,000 per month.
Obfuscation, interminable word salads, little white lies, lies and enormous lies. Bloody hell...
Except even hell will have troubles placing this minister.
She`s had 5 years to practice her performance .Another fail .
Amazing memory of fine details that bolsters her defence and no memory of anything that incriminate her.its disgusting.surely most people can see this
Talk, talk and talk but she says absolutely nothing.
Why do you think she got her job in the first place? She's fulfilling her role as a corporate drone immaculately. Her tears on Day One were perfectly timed.
Yes, she does. She says “guilty” !!!
It's literally laboriously painful to listen to this arduous woman.
All sympathy to the people who suffered for her wretchedness.
Actually she cannot make a complete concise sentence, all is interjected with other sidetrack statements. It’s of no surprise that nothing was straightforward under her tenure
Maybe saying nothing tells the most
It's so obvious she's lying and covering up
After taking the oath on the Bible, too!
Lies , lies and more lies..
She’s lying she scared to go prison
@@ololiver92 the bible is a book of lies anyway.
What was the government doing when all this scandal was being brought to the attention of the public from private eye and other media outlets . The whole post office senior management and directors during this scandal where all complicit in the cover up and must pay for this corruption people died" and went to prison ruined lives made bankrupt thru their lies and corruption.
She been told to give as long answers as possible to facilitate less questioning.
It must be obvious to all that she has selective memory .
Definitely, she has yet to admit what she really knew when and take account when she really knew.
I feel really sorry for all the post masters😢
Not at all surprising. Senior managers in most companies are chosen for their ability to obfuscate and to have a very flexible relationship with the truth.
It seems all the PO managers have 'Dementia' level memory loss!
Taking lessons from Nicola Sturgeon.
Must have been something in the water at POL offices, they all have it.
She & her cohorts should all be in Jail for 10 years
With all assets seized!!!
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Life!
Capital punishment
They need to count up all the jail time the sub-postmasters & mistresses served & hand that down to each on of them on an average it would be over 100 years, this would keep them out of society for the rest of there lives, remember 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, especially in Ms V's case as an Ordained Minister/
She's an expert at time wasting. Long, long irrelevant answers and "can you please repeat the question". If it was a game of football, there would be extra time.
And two yellow cards for time-wasting = 1 red.
Part of the legal game I'm afraid....
Repeat the question is delaying tactic. So she has more time to come up with another lie.
She really earned that salary, they might as well had put a scarecrow in her office.
When they tell us that these million pound salaries that CEO's get are justified and needed to attract the 'highest quality' candidates, remember this abysmal woman and her complete admission that she didn't have any input into the running of the company.
One of many in this corporate gravy train culture.
Aunt Sally Vennells is just a punching bag for a instutional system that's not what it claims to be. To limit this only to Vennells is to be distracted to the interlinked network of institutions that wanted this scandal buried.
If you believe what she is saying that is..
The passivity is just being projected now, because she’s trying to avoid criminal prosecution.
@@robertosborne7542 I get it that she is trying to distance herself from what she was responsible for, and that comes at the cost of making herself look incompetent.
Much like most of the other people who have been questioned, but they can't have it both ways.
The real outrage is that it took a TV drama for there to be an outrage.
Yes shocking and it prob would have still carried on 😢
Yes agreed
She should be in prison, the miscarriage of justice occurred because of she suppressed evidence of a problem with Horizon despite the warnings
Firstly they should seize the £5.1 million she was paid.
Even if govt could do that, her lawyer will have already protected her cash and assets.
If she has broken actual laws the Police and CPS will force her into a trial, and she might be jailed. For me, I’d prefer she was heavily fined. Jails are full, 3 yrs of community service would be better. She’s a corporate player, she’d be comfortable in jail.
@@CalTheKiwi1 It's not just jails are full but WE pay those bills. I object to paying for her food and accommodation and perks in jail. In spite of her incompetence she got outrageous salary and bonuses and must return ALL of that towards paying for her jail term. and same for all the others who'll be jailed and what's left over must go towards the compensations. As for protecting her cash, if it can't be got at, she will have to work her jail term and work after to pay back her debts and ditto the rest of them. Jail shouldn't be lazy fun.
What a load of corporate double-speak 🤦♂
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I have worked in two large corporates and as many others will have experienced, there are frightening parallels with my own recollections of some of the worst standard practices of them, with their closing ranks when threatened, bullying, isolating individuals they see as a potential threat. This case will be studied for decades by business students to exemplify the very worst of bad management practice. There are lessons to be learnt by many corporates in the exposures of bad practice laid bare here, putting the benefit of the company way ahead of the rightful benefit of individuals working within it.
@@jamesrussel1133 They won't learn, it's not in their interest to acknowledge anything like that. When you read the pages of Private Eye, it never seems to end.
She talks as if she’s was not aware of anything that was going on in the company she was running yet earned a multi million pound salary with benefits. Incredible.
incredible isnt it? they display such incompetence and memory loss after the events,,, I wonder if the displayed this incompetence in the board room? Id say its more 'selective incompetence'
So she was mislead by her lawyers, blah, blah!
The blame game shamefully played out together with excuses!
However she was the CEO of the Post so has full responsibility for what happened on her watch!
Paid a fortune for not doing her job!
Dreadful woman!
She is _doing_ her job which is to protect the Post Office not its postmasters whom she, and it, despise.
Yes, the problem with corporations is the job of the CEO is to maximise profit. That’s it. There’s only corporate/societal responsibility if it affects profits and is a company target.
She thinks it's all someone else's fault.
Liars blink profusely,watch her blink
It's not normal to blink that much.
yes i picked up on that
Sure sign of trying to cover her tracks
Absolute Narcissism
@royboy50. I would love to see an analysis of these frauds done by body language experts.
In Italian there a saying: “le figlie di Maria sono le prime a darla via” which roughly translates to: “the most pious are the most bigoted”.
With a memory like hers she should have been discharged on medical grounds.
perhaps its early onset d
Most of them seem to have Alzheimers. No wonder the PO is such a mess - Alzeimers employing more Alzheimers.
''THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS'' any cleric should know that.
She went from "I can't remember this and that" to remember an audit process and the finnest details and reasoning behind that. Impressive the mental gymnastics
What makes my blood boil.is that if there hadn't been that programme made these evil twisted people would still be doing their best to cover it up
Which is also a pretty big black mark on our media, this should have been front page news ages ago
The fact she got the Chairman's warning makes me hopeful she is a target for the police investigation. She lied to parliament via the select committee and has admitted that so that a criminal offence.
This is why waiting YEARS to sort through all this is such a bad idea. "I don't remember " "I don't recall" blah blah blah. Well, if you don't remember, that doesn't help your case. WHERE DID ALL THE "STOLEN" MONEY GO? Has no one looked into the financial records of this gash? What's worse is, no one is gonna go to jail for any of this. No one.
This is just an enquiry. Hopefully things will be handed over to the CPS to decide if there are criminal charges worth pursuing. Hopefully so.
Same with covid inquiry.
Drag it out for years ,exonerate all those involved and make the lawyers very rich.
So your saying she stole money 😂😂😂😂
@@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955 the CPS and the police will do fuck all about it they're also corrupt and rotten to the core and often piss in the same pot as people like Vennells
All the “stolen” money went into a special account that was for unaccounted money …
Is this just theatre for the masses? Will any of those responsible go to prison?
Unfortunately not
Yep. Nope.
It's only an inquiry, not court.
She’s going prison
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What do you mean I was the CEO - I don't recall ever being told that I was a CEO......
She got an awful lot of money for not 'recalling very much she did when a CEO.
Word salad
I’ve never known an organisations where nobody knew anything that was going on. We all know they knew & were involved in a cover up and a scam. It’s absolutely shocking seeing these people blatantly lying.
She is so good at weasel words.
IF and it is a big IF any compensation is paid out to these poor unfortunate Sub-Postmasters then not a single penny should come from the British taxpayer. It should come from the people responsible and Fujitsu!
Compensation should be paid on top of the money that was stolen from the postmasters, it was theft, plain and simple.
and tax free
@@Woofersgaloreone would hope so but knowing the nature of HMRC they will try to stick their greasy fingers in any cash that passes to the postmasters.
@@karlmylnere5712 I know, all we can do is hope. 🤞🤞🤞🤞
This woman embodies how a position of power and wealth can be gained from years of perfecting torrents of articulate-SOUNDING, but hollow, blart in a posh accent.
@skooshy621
Yes it is amazing how far you can get in life if you can talk a good game. I suppose it is salesmsnship!
Straight out of Tony Blair's bullshit school
and the Tories's playbook.
I think you will find that this is a Tony Blair government computer system and they were never going to admit that it was a total disaster for the amounts of money it cost just one of the many Blair's government fuckk ups
I think there needs to be an investigation & audit into who were the board of people/advisors/recruiters who suggested, interviewed, rated & ultimately approved this woman for the role of CEO of a national institution such as the Post Office. I now feel they also should be held accountable for appointing this truly incompetent & awful woman.
If she doesn’t get locked up, it just proves my theory , the whole lot of them The judiciary in this country from top to bottom are rotten to the core.
It's the Old Boys Brigade. Is it coincidence that Sir Kier Starmer claimed he couldn't find enough evidence to prosecute Sir Jimmy Saville who just happened to be best mates with paedophile royalty?
Why has this women not been arrested?
How do pathological liars get such positions of authority? Poor vetting? Or just money and favours 🤔
It's a select club. Self selecting self serving club. It is an echo chamber of these types on a merry go round of well paid "jobs" tgat are nithing more than seat warming.
its just part of the requirements for the job
People like Vennells normally befriend senior managers, kiss their arses and show they are good at their jobs so the managers then see and think they have a friend and thats where it goes wrong being friends with your subordinates leads to favouritism and loyalty so these people get promotions because of that whilst more competent employees who don't arse kiss their way up get overlooked. I've seen it many times poisonous and incompetent people befriend the managers for an easy time and utter cunts to their colleagues then they get promoted and you see their true colours
It's easier to get a women to bend, the love of money 🤑 and I'm speaking in general
Requirement of the position.
She would make a great politician, she rarely answers the question asked and can naturally lie without showing any signs that she is. Who'd player her at poker 🤷♂️
WHY IS IT PEOPLE IN CHARGE HAVE SUCH BAD MEMORIES??
I simply cannot remember. Who am I again, by the way?
Because its convinient
Money
Because at this stage the goal is to avoid being criminally prosecuted.
Legal advice, if you can't recall the details clearly and there is no written proof then you can't remember, unless the incomplete memory you recall is helpful to your case.
She never knew? She never heard any rumours? Whispers? Suspicions? Questions which needed answered, especially by the top person supposedly in charge ? . . . Surely beyond belief !
But nobody knew, nobody can remember, everybody covering their own bk sides
They knew because Computer Weekly outlined the issues but they decided to write it off as a trade magazine that didn’t know what it was talking about. How they decided an IT trade magazine didn’t know about IT based on their own lack of knowledge escapes me
The bonkers thing, is that someone wakes up next to that every morning and doesn't ring Ghostbusters to hoover it up.
Should this woman escape prosecution, we must all then agree that we have a Two-Tier judicial system in this country.
She should be jailed.
I just dont understand... when you obviously knew the system was effecting even a small number of postoffics ..... why would one proceed to criminal court and threats to your loyal employees? Why not, finish the investigation and prove the guilt or innocent before ""YOU" reveleased the worst kind of mental TORTURE on these innocent people.
Shame on you
Will ANYONE responsible for ANY of this dreadful affair EVER TELL THE TRUTH? I fear not, thus making the ENTIRE PROCESS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY! Even more important WILL ANYONE BE BROUGHT TO BOOK?
The Second Sight guys seem to have done a good job of straight talking.
She’d make a good politician. Corrupt and a rambling liar.
Nobody seems to be asking who was doing the remote accessing?
What was their motivation?
Where did the money go????
Good point. The question of why did Fujitsu behave in this manner hasn't been addressed at all. Hopefully, it will be when some Fujitsu creatures eventually give evidence.
Exactly. Nobody seems to be addressing this fact.
Remote access is entirely normal in this kind of system. You couldn't possibly manage a network of 11,500 branches without it. All banks and retailers have the same capability. The problem is that the remote access was done using the sub postmaster's account and there was no audit trail of the access.
It seems there wasn’t actually any missing money. The bugs just made it seem there was.
@@grahamf695 There's a difference between remote access to maintain and update the system and to change or add data. The latter should have been inaccessible.
She has to go to jail. Who runs a company and doesn't think that send hundreds of their own staff to court and jail isn't worth looking into. She is a criminal
Blink blink blink the sign of a liar
She is a liar but the blink,blink theory is complete rubbish.. people can do it through anxiety and stress it doesn't mean their lying.. psychopaths and sociapaths can tell complete lies without blinking an eye..
She never answers a straightforward question in a clear, straightforward manner.
I'm trying to find an adjective that sits somewhere between incompetent and f****** abysmal.
The word is”liar”
In future her name will be in all dictionaries synonymous with your description
The word you're seeking is vennellish.
I dont believe she was incompetant,this is an act.
what about dire
and she was considered to be the next London archbishop.......
I've been waiting to see any reference to her involvement in the Church. I could NOT believe anyone chosing to "Make a mission of providing salvation, except for those rotting in jail on my account".
She seems to have relied on 'faith' in every aspect of her life. The more I hear about the Post Office the more it sounds like a cult. She drank the koolaid.
At least if that came true, she could only do ‘damage’ to those who believe in sky fairies.
shows the calibre required
@@stitchlover633 👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
She seems to be able to pass the buck rather easily, when cornered the response is " can't remember" or tears. Clearly her CV should now include 'actress'.
It is not only La-La Land but also Bla-Bla Land
Now she knows how it feels getting grilled hard surrounded by people.
We'll never see her in public answering questions again after this. It's a small price for her to pay compared to what her organisation did to the postmasters.
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx alas, I doubt she will ever see the inside of a prison cell. Look at grenfell
@@TabsT-vy5jy Exactly. Vennells and the MP's all piss in the same pot. She'll be allowed to keep her millions and her pensions of course but the subpostmasters will get a small fraction of what Vennells earned and got through deception and dishonesty
Without having to face any consequences...yet.
She talks so much whilst saying so little! I'm surprised she didn't become an MP the way she lies!
Looking at this shambles it’s probably next on her list.
It was worse......she became an ordained Padre in the Anglican Church.
Royal Mail started being full on dodgy when Adam crozier joined,tax dodges galore,millions of wasted money etc
How can someone of such incompetence hold such a position?
Its an act,she surely must have known what was going on and went along with it.
Connections, went to the "right" school. Etc etc.
Lies, lies and yet more lies. Lock her up!!!
The scope of the use of remote access to move money out of post office accounts is irrelevant, there should be no access to accounts by remote access.
The DWP has a system in place that they use all the time.
You see, these people get paid massive amounts to know and do nothing. That's why the poor need to swallow the cost of inflation. How else would these types pay themselves higher salaries and bigger bonuses?
I have a question, which may seem a bit dim, if so i apologise. The post office accounts could be accessed directly by Fujitsu, the money, has anyone ever checked to see if Fujitsu staff were filtering this money? This may go some way to explain where it all went.
@joyplummeridge6940
Yes this is true. The PO can do themselves a favour by carrying out a full audit of fujitsu staff or can they?
I don’t think money actually went missing? It was the bugs/remote access that made it appear that money was missing.
@@meganm1074 But the submasters paid their own money to plug the supposed gaps. Where their money go ??
@@josephinedewar4469- into the Post Office's profits - which is why no-one, from the Government down through the Post Office's directors, asked any questions.
You have a misunderstanding. We are not talking about bank accounts, we are talking about a system which says "you have £x in the safe".
Fujitsu can only change how much money the system thinks is in the safe. They cannot transfer money to other places as it is physical cash.
Paula Vennels knew about remote access to the Sub Postmaster’s computers at the same time as Angela Van Den Bogead.
That was December 2010.
I feel SORRY for the Anglican Church, I did not think they would like a PRIEST to OBVIOUS show them up in such a POOR light .Personally I think she has LIED through her teeth and should be DE-FROCKED before being sent to PRISON for all the harm she oversaw
Welby is cut from a similar cloth to her-why feel sorry for an institution which employed such an incompetant liar?
It didn't stop Justin getting the top job !
Not like a priest to lie ask the choir boys
I take my hat off to Jo Hamilton she attended every day of the enquiry and looked them all in the face. Bravo Jo.
I don’t recall I don’t recall? What did she get paid for to be CEO , I bet she can recall what she has in her bank accounts.
LOL. 'We were all chuffed with the quality of the audit that highlighted a litany of problem, some of which extremely severe'.
Fix problems? Nah. Acknowledge there are problems which support people's assertions they're not crooks? Nah. Cover everything up to "protect the institution"? Absolutely, 💯
The irritating thing is, this is pretty much the case for most big businesses these days, rotten to core, with most revenue going to PR & Marketing to keep it all looking perfect.
We plebians are told our well-paid masters are remunerated so and with bonuses, in order to retain their talent. Am i missing som
something?
“I didn’t know” over and over again! Ignorance, even if this is true, is no defence!
Just like wee Jimmy cranky 🙈
They are all liars and all played their part in what happened toball those innocent people, then when they came to understand they were all wrong, they attempted to hid it all......,.all involved should be charged and end up in court, just as they did to all the innocent postmasters they did that to.
Come on everybody YES the target is now her but how many very bad people who we're complicit in this are going to get away scott free unless this is kept up. It's much bigger than just her.
True , but let’s not us get her out of our sights .
They will ALL get away with it. If one of the top folks goes down for this, it sets a precedent for every Boss and CEO in the corporate elite to be vulnerable and repsonsible for their actions. They cannot have that.
You are absolutely correct.
But she should not get away from the fact that she was responsible for the PO precisely at the time that innocent people were being convicted. She has no excuses. She was paid extremely well to do a job that, clearly, she was not capable of doing.
The Buck stops with her that’s what she got paid plenty for . Yes the others down the line are all to blame as well and each and every one of them has to pay all the money they got in bonuses and perks. As what they got was all stolen !!!
Can one of the KC’s please ask her what the job of a CEO is, and remind her of Harry Truman’s ‘The Buck Stops Here’ ? If she was going to be as amenable as she claims she was to any suggestion from anywhere then she should never have taken the job. But she says she DID ask questions. Where are they, then ? Where are the e-mails with those questions in them ?
@thetruth9210 I’m a lawyer. The lawyers are doing very well. Especially Mr Beer, who is brilliant, but others too. It’s an inquiry, where the main goal is to get her evidence out, whether it’s lies or truth, to get her to answer questions & give her version.
It might look like they’re not pinning her down, but it’s just that they stop when she has given her position & held it after being confronted with the opposing facts/arguments. They don’t need to call her a liar every time.
Later the inquiry judge will assess her evidence & credibility against all the other evidence & documents.
She was the creator and so destroyed lots of evidence skip loads very scheming but to the average joe just full of shite
@@meganm1074Yes, I agree the lawyers are doing very well, particularly Jason Beer and Sir Edward Henry. And I understand the situation they are in - it’s a public enquiry, not a court of law. What I was getting at was that she was the CEO of the Post Office, which made her responsible whether she likes it or not. I saw elsewhere that she said that,even as CEO, she wasn’t responsible for everything that happened underneath her, or words to that effect. If that were true, it would merely support her position (which, as far as I can see, every senior member of the Post Office who has been questioned has adopted) that everything that went wrong was someone else’s fault, because she didn’t know or didn’t have the necessary expertise or hadn’t been told. It was her job to know, and also to ask some pointed questions rather than just fling out a few ineffectual ones and then go along with whatever she was told. Before retirement I worked for some very senior people in the police service, and none of them would have accepted some of the things she accepted without asking some very serious questions. I wasn’t seriously suggesting the KC’s should ask her what she thought the job of a CEO was, but I would have been very interested to hear just what she thinks it is !
Police need to bring her in more than enough evidence
This woman is a BLOODY DISGRACE!
Funny how she can remember some things vividly from 10 or more years ago, but finds it difficult to remember or recall 🙄 important relevant things that are key to getting down to who is to blame for this outrageous, scandalous and damm right criminal actions by all involved.
proceeds of crime , she needs to hand back her lump sum, minimum.
Anything to deflect from her criminal activity. Let's hope justice prevails. She never gave any consideration to the postmasters - they were all guilty.
Having now seen her in action and with 16 years of being a teacher (from industry) dealing with inner city kids whose very instinct and natural reaction was to lie, blame every one else but themselves, pause so they can think of an excuse, blink continuously and most of all truly believe they have done nothing wrong.
A classic example, I once caught a girl of 15 in front of a class I was about to teach, writing on my white board something extremely rude about me, who after watching her do it, on turning around on seeing me, drop the felt tip and without thinking said "It wasn't me!"
The DEA and Teacher Training Colleges should use these video of Vennells to teach new teachers how to spot the classic signs of a LIAR and a person in total denial they did any wrong.
The thing is as with psychopaths which I believe in truth she really is, their total inability even with a wealth of examples, an avalanche of evidence, public's reaction to her when she leaves to go home and possibly she reads all the comments in the TH-cams STILL believes she did nothing wrong and was not her fault.
she is in the same mould as hilary clinton and bill
This in infuriating, this needs jail, they hounded people
she was shown carrying mailbags .she needs to be shown sowing them up in prison
why isn't she behind bars
She's gone away with it for far too long she's got far too much to answer for and she's like government 2015 is proved that
She's only the tip of the iceberg and are they waiting for her to take everything for what happened when the others who must be quaking in their boots knowing exactly what's going to happen to them
By the way that Fujitsu put money into a fund for the innocent postmasters and postmistresses I've never heard anything yet
She is covering up for her own actions, or non actions. Let’s think of the poor people who lost their lives, and went to prison, it’s a disgrace.
Strange how bad these peoples memories are yet good enough to remember tiny details when leading us away from an answer 🤔
When disinterested minds start asking questions, people up to their necks in obfuscation, denial and partial truth struggle so eloquently.
These people should be in jail
How has collective amnesia and blatant denial of facts & documented evidence become the default defence of people in high office? Vennells, Johnson, Sunak, Hancock, etc are a national disgrace and have brought shame on this country. What a truly awful example to our children growing up, to show that financial gain can be procured not through honest hard labour, but by being a liar, corrupt and Incompetent.
get her charged for at least perjury & PCJ ,,,, then let Mr Henry loose !!!!
I loved the post-office and the large salary i was on........Ive just covered my own back
I loved the Post Office because they thought I was worthy of the job.
she isnt accepting any responsibility at all, and its another example of someone in the UK in such a senior position, including being an Anglican priest with such poor morals and values. These processes in the UK are inherently broken, all the time were hearing of people in positions of trust abusing it for their own personal gain.
Time and time again we are told that those at the top attract salaries many times in excess of staff because they bring so much talent, experience, and have such a positive influence on the business to the level that they can command six and seven figure payments, bonuses and benefits. We are told they shoulder much responsibility and that if it goes wiring will carry the can, and thus are entitled to all this. Yet, time and time again when the shit hits the fan they are shown to be out of touch, incompetent, and clueless and completely unresponsible for anything, blaming everyone else in range and beyond.
They should be dismissed, banned from running anything ever again, made to pay back the massive payments and wards, and where appropriate jailed. You cannot ruin people’s lives through criminality, negligent or incompetence and get off Scott free. Ignorance is no defence, incompetence won’t get you off as much as a speeding ticket so it shouldn’t work here.
No doubt she will be given another high position
@@susanmarch1661 She already has one.
@doctordeej
Perhaps Companies need to look at their whole interviewing process from top to bottom including their own woke prejudices.
@@williamweb9782 Woke?
@@doctordeej
I think jobs are given now using the smart technique where a man has to play the role of a white knight to get the job. Meanwhile employers are looking for social inclusion to make themselves look good for their HR department. Stoicism nowadays will get you nowhere despite the fact that the whole infrastructure of the country was built on it. Paula Vennells was clearly not the best candidate for the job but clearly the whole place was a shambles.
Absolutely pathetic replies from the former CEO. Looks like they destroyed all the incriminating evidence of this awful scandal.
"A congrations feist" hes priceless
The English government will never prosecute her. That she has to squirm in public will be deemed sufficient punishment.
English?
Check out the eye blinking when she starts to panic , its almost Morse code .
And what about the thugs she hired to interrogate and intimidate?
They reported directly to her so she knew what was happening and obviously knew it was so wrong, but it obviously went against her desire to persecute innocent people.
She needs to be in prison....not just "grilled".
The Lady in front of KC looks like she’s visually and imaginatively measuring up a noose?
She is one of the people who lost everything
@@angiehaddington6462 I’m certainly feeling the pain and anxiety, lining up with semi relief?
She should be. Jo Hamilton, one of the victims.