'HOW Could You Not Have Known?' | Former Post Office Boss Paula Vennells Grilled At Horizon Inquiry
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- Former Post Office boss Paula Vennells is quizzed today on her role in the Horizon scandal.
The disgraced ex-chief executive is beginning her three days of evidence to the Horizon IT inquiry amid claims she covered-up the Post Office’s knowledge of bugs in the faulty accounting software.
The inquiry is shown text messages between Ms Vennells and former Royal Mail boss Dame Moya Greene, thought to be from around January this year, in which the latter says: “I think you knew” about the problems with the Horizon system.
Asked why she does not answer Dame Moya’s question about how she could not have known, Ms Vennells tells the inquiry today: “I didn’t not answer that question; I was very concerned because I was aware that it was not good practice to be exchanging texts in the middle of an inquiry.
“It wasn’t that I should or shouldn’t have answered her question.”
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If she doesn't go to prison it's yet another demonstration of how there is no rule of law.
the law applies to you and me brother - but not to them.
There are "in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Are you still under the illusion they are the same.
They get these jobs because they are ruthless, cut throat people. And they all know they are immune to prosecution, Ask bojo johnson
Shes not going to prison
It just doesn't apply to "them".
Absolutely zero sympathy for this woman. She needs to be held 100% accountable for this debacle.
Spoiler alert… she won’t be.
If a male was in this position I would expect arrest already
But she cried!
Have sympathy and love my friend. It’s good to have sympathy and to be loving.
@@patinho5589 things should be done to her as they have been done by her unto others
Treat her as she treated others
The Vicar of Fibley
Sums it up
@@oldneo4309 fabulous
PERFECT
Nice one
😅😅😅
1 month for each conviction and 3 months for each prison term she made the sub-postmasters suffer. SHE MUST GO TO PRISON. If not, so anyone can break the rules and laws and steal from the Post Office?
Good point !
And she must be immediated defroked as an Anglican priest.
You are too forgiving, sir!
That is the point if she gets away with it the nobody can have confidence in the law
@@blue47er The maths say different, 900 convictions at 1 month per conviction is 75 years, and 236 prison terms is another 59 years at 3 months per innocent jailed. Basically throw away the key
She knew and knows admitting it will put her in jail .
Sounds right
I think what happened was they initially couldn't believe the system was making mistakes, then it got to the point where their story was so established no one wanted to believe they were convicting people on the basis of faulty data. Eventually they had invested so much time and effort into protecting the Post Office and some of these scum didn't want to have to potentially repay bonuses or face actual consequences for their negligent behaviour and hoped they could kick the can down the road a couple more times so their involvement would be hidden from view. Unfortunately, this enquiry was set up and it's not going away until this whole sorry mess is dragged into the daylight, Paula Venells' et al should be imprisoned and then be sued civilly by the sub-postmasters and bankrupted.
Good
That is correct. She is the amplification of the British class system gone wrong.
correct .
Vennells is / was incompetent & criminally negligent ; she's guilty of manslaughter. The affected staff must bring a class action against her.
I don't agree. She is very smart and an accomplished liar who knew exactly what she was doing. This ignorant front she is trying to portray is just that - another lie!
I do wonder if individual staff can sue her personally?
No she knew- it just wasn't in her own best interests to stop the prosecutions and admit fault . Not only because of the effect on her career, but because the PO wouldn't then be able to keep taking the accused people's money, and they'd have to be compensated. So she would then not be able to take this money herself, which she did in bonuses. She clearly didn't care about the people whose lives she was ruining in any way. She's not sorry for she did , as you can tell from her performance here.
She's only guilty of being 'incompetent', in terms of her morals and ethics. She ISN'T incompetent, in the sense she didn't 'know' - or that she was 'too trusting'.
The evidence was overwhelming, that she DID know- and indeed, she actively interfered (on multiple occasions) to try to hide the problem.
There's the email (in 2013), in which she said she'd accept the PR guy's 'steer' (after he emailed her about limiting a planned investigation into miscarriages of justice, because otherwise the sheer number would make the Post Office front-page news).
Hell, she even attacked Susan Crichton (a legal advisor) in writing, after Crichton didn't knobble an independent investigation (by Second Sight) in the Post Office's favour (an investigation that DID find multiple problems, in 2013). Vennells complained that Crichton put her 'professional ethics' before the Post Office's reputation 🤦♀️
God forbid somebody should try to apply ethics as a first priority, over a business reputation!!!
After that, Crichton was banned from board meetings. I could go on, listing the dozens of other evidence pieces against Vennells. But they are far too lengthy to write in a YT comment.
Vennells has never harmed me personally, but my goodness. She has deeply offended my sense of justice, on a level I didn't realise I had. She's infuriating, how she's STILL trying to lie her way out of it. 😡
@@crazyhai8155 What I find interesting as well is shes not just lying so that she avoids the legal ramifications of admitting anything , she so arrogant and deluded that she thinks people might actually believe her, so she does the crying, and the comments like 'I wish I did! [know]'. She doesn't even realise playing on peoples emotions isn't an option at this point - everyone hates her guts.
She is clearly extremely narcissistic. Every time there's someone like her in the news - absolutely shamelessly immoral,greedy , entitled, arrogant, hypocritical, and deluded, ruining hundreds or thousands of lives, I always think 'Another f*cking narcissist'. Trump, Boris Johnson (most of the Conservative party in fact), Jeff Bezos. It's these guys who are ruining the planet and people's lives.
She will quickly slink back to her mansion to sip champagne olong with the rest of the post office apparachiks
She is a liar..she knew and she allowed innocent people to go through hell and some go to prison. She deserves prison when so many people keep saying..there's a problem....then you know THERE IS A PROBLEM, but she ignored the problem to further her gains, a wee medal from the queen and lots if money. She KNEW there was a problem 100%.
I totally agree, and her front to accept her award from the queen knowing full well the wrongs she had presided over, and preaching to others in church too. An appalling person, clever, manipulative with it.
Don't forget the poor souls that have died before being exonerated and even worse the suicides....it absolutely DISGUSTS ME!
@jamesrussel. Her supposed Christianity is yet another layer to this, that leaves me incredulous. If she really believes in Christianity, what does she think will happen at the pearly gates one day?!
Does she believe if she just says 'sorry I didn't know' and 'I don't recall', she'll just be waved through to heaven?! Or maybe she thinks if she gets around to admitting the truth privately to her God (and 'repenting' then), she'll get a free pass.
Though I would suspect loopholes like that don't exist, with an 'all-seeing, all-knowing' God, i.e. doing whatever you want (including continuing to lie, and distress the victims further), because you'll just get around to 'repenting' on another day.
Sure, plenty of people fake being religious, for some sort of power. But why would she? She was getting plenty of power, status and money, in her other job appointments.
So why would she need to fake being religious, and spend her rare free time, becoming a lowly vicar?
Maybe part of it was to project a 'moral' persona - but I'm not convinced.
She was well-respected in the elite (enough to get her jobs she wanted), without that. Or she could have sought 'moral status' in something else, that was more interesting (or at least, more interesting than preaching a religion you don't at all believe in - charity work, perhaps)
So I'm assuming she probably DOES hold religious beliefs. Which makes it surprising, if she DOES believe in hell.
Her church should kick Her out also!
Oh, c'mon! The British elite NEVER goes to prison. Too much contacts, nepotism, knighthoods and bonuses.
I think it’s time that was changed and that outlook. There’s alrleady public outcry. Its ridiculous. ❤
It’s hard to imagine a more corrupt country than GB . It’s riven by nepotism , freemasonry, shady deals done in smoky back rooms and the general public are treated like utter fools . Covid changed the landscape forever because the powers that be now KNOW that the people are basically sheep , who can be coerced and threatened to do anything that the powers that be deem usual for them . I’ve actually emigrated now and I don’t miss a single thing about the U.K. ( apart from my family) . It’s totally unrecognisable from the country I grew up in back in the 60’s , 70’s 80’s and 90’s , totally gone to the dogs .
Don't hold your breath.archer did
And she's a Minister of the Church! How could she possibly do wrong!
@@Pinkyandthebrain290 there is no public outcry 😂 you mugs will all vote in size weeks for another version of corruption, criminality and subversion
Wow, she is such a well practiced liar and diabolical dodger
For granite faced lying I do think good old Angela is so far the clear winner. That said Jamal I Didn't Know How to Save Documents is a definite runner up.
You’re absolutely right!
Saddest rankings I’ve ever heard… but correct!
Vennells is a diabolically cold evil Witch!
And a woman of the cloth, she actually stood up in church and preached to her flock KNOWING WHAT SHE DID AND DIDNT DO
She has had long enough to practice!
@@denise4487And the sheep were sitting there and listened every Sunday, gave their little envelope with money and were happy to shake her hand when they left. Idiots
Under oath and not telling the truth and being caught out over and over must be heading for jail
She ain't gonna spend one day in prison senior managers are never held to account Hillsborough, Lucy Letby etc all senior management have had no further action. She will walk away scott free and be allowed to keep her multi million pound bonuses and pension she got through deception and dishonesty because the government and people like Vennels all piss in the same pot. If you notice all that bollocks Sunak talks like passing a law to squash the subpostmasters/mistresses convictions but hasn't told the PO to pay those people their money back along with interest and the value of their houses that they lost. He's hoping the public will be satisfied with what he's done so far. Its funny how the PO were allowed to abuse their powers of prosecuting innocent people but can't abuse that same power to do the right thing and give them their money back.
"If any person lawfully sworn as a witness or as an interpreter in a judicial proceeding wilfully makes a statement material in that proceeding, which he knows to be false or does not believe to be true, he shall be guilty of perjury, and shall, on conviction thereof on indictment, be liable to penal servitude for a term not exceeding seven years, or to imprisonment . . . F1 for a term not exceeding two years, or to a fine or to both such penal servitude or imprisonment and fine".
It always surprises me as to how many lawyers tell lies in Court in writing and in person. The SRA are weak and clueless about acting.
Doubt it, the establishment protects its own.
But not if you are of that class!
Life sentence and her wealth and assets seized and put toward the compensation claim. Nothing else is justice.
She’s lying she did know about everything that was wrong with the horizon system
I don’t know about Vennells being the unluckiest CEO but she certainly has to be the most clueless
Far from clueless, she knew what was going on and continued with the lies. Crafty b !
Just like the rest of them "she don't know nuthin'."
She not clueless she is playing a blinder with rewards to someone who knows everything but is good at plYing dumb
She's not stupid, she has this worked out to her best benefit. She's very cagey she's trying to navigate the least incriminating course through this. On the otherhand she was extremely incapable CEO and not a good enough person to be in such a role. I ll have to research how she got such a role ? Are the leaders in other businesses so crap?
Dont believe that for a second- this is all an act
Moya Greene is giving evidence in July -should be very interesting
CEO of royal mail, like every other we've had since, they're picked for they're ability to lie, cover up, totally disregard the problems till its too late, leave with substantial/obscene amounts of money, for inept decisions, a golden handshake for the privilege,leaving the company in disarray,to move forward and do the same to another company !!!!.....keep focused looking at the future of Royal Mail, the clues are there.........
Get the popcorn
Surely it's it was her job to know what was going on. That's why she was paid so much. Its not very christian to lie and watch innocent people be locked up.
When she was awarded multiple massive bonuses she didn't say 'no thank you, I barely know what's going on here - I don't deserve this'. Funny that.
corrupt world that we live in - means that those at the top get paid the huge amount that they do in order to neither know nor tell anyone else..
see Succession..
No, it isn't very Christian, but then neither is she.
it's very Christian of her to lie, religion itself is a massive lie
The CofE has strayed far from the path...and is all about a class system rather than spreading the word of God.
Shes a liar, always has been, always will be. You can see her lying here.
She bloody knew. But choose to ignore it. Thats the facts.
The quality of the people running our major companies is very low. Morally and technically. The rest of this class should be
Embarrassed. But wont be
They have the millions.
They have no technical ability and that's part of the problem because they then don't know what questions to ask. It's akin to a accountant trying to run an operating theatre. Or MP's trying to understand Covid Jabs, they are all clueless !
MPs the same. Were they picked for these very qualities? So as to be easily controllable by the elite who pick them?
This is an interesting point I've seen made multiple times today and it had never crossed my mind but I think you're spot on. When politicians bang on about having a 'productive' economy they never make reference to the managerial class do they. But we've all laboured under absolute imbeciles, even at the very top. I guess a class-obsessed society reaps what it sows.
The same can be said of the politicians over the last 50/60 years, utterly useless spineless traitors all of them.
She probably doesn’t sweat
T H E L Y I N G V I C A R
THE VICAR of GLIBLY. Don't want to trivialise this when innocent people have been imprisoned, and lives ruined, but to sit their and visibly feign remorse and hurt, while concocting transparent lie after lie is unpalatable.
Surrender dignity , alongside the C.B.E.
@@nickgoatham7981 she never had any dignity
The vicar of Fibley
We're to believe that the head of the Post Office had a shocking lack of interest in getting to the truth about the faulty Fujitsu system and of the bizarre high number of postmasters suddenly becoming criminals. Sounds like plausible deniability to me. I don't believe her and I don't trust her.
Exactly if you ran a large store in town and the people on the tills kept saying there are hundreds of pounds missing from the till at the end of every day you wouldn't just ignore it. And if you did you were negligent or part of the missing money problem.
So many people suddenly turning criminal and all of them saying it's a fault of the system. The first thing you would do is immediately stop using the system. You were then track the people who were not using the system and those that were and see there that the problem was the system
Also the fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds were being paid back to the post office by the falsely accused postmasters and being kept in a fund for later use.
I was amazed when hearing of the large amounts being supposedly stolen by them, I mean would anyone seriously expect to get away with such large fraud attempts and more importantly, why didn't the top brass think it was strange.............
She knew and orchestrated a cover up ! , now she can’t recall , can’t remember , other minions which are dispensable miraculously withheld information from her ! And starts sobbing saying sorry ! TSB , Paula better be going to jail! 🤬
Don't be fooled - someone or some people skimmed a lot of money off the Fujitsu contract, my guess is Paula venells, Angel Van den Bogart and Jarnail Singh are all deeply involved.
When you're telling the truth you don't need to think this hard.
That is a very fine point
Vennells has to face criminal charges infact all those that have been involved in this shameful miscarriage of Justice will have to be charged
Most people don’t see or hear senior barristers in full flight, and are only aware of their substantial fees. However, it is clear that Jason Beer KC has done his homework and is on top of his brief - knowing the answer to each and every question, pursuing them to their logical conclusion, and holding the feet of each witness to the fire.
He's brilliant!
Spot on one of the best silks I have seen
For God's sake, just say the truth.
I'm just hoping that someone, anyone, will decide to tell the truth and risk the consequences. I think that it would work in their favour in the long run.
For God’s sake? FFS she’s an ordained minister of the Church, and was considered a candidate for the Bishopric of London.
Such people confirm the reality of my atheism.
@@rogerwells6807 It certainly questions the judgement of Justin Welby. But I think everyone already knew that.
@@rogerwells6807I agree but if there were not so many sheep there would be no church.
THE SO CALLED ELITE💩 ARE THERE TO TAKE AN TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHS
Despicable woman. Criminal charges should be brought against her. She has to be accountable for her actions and those of the organisation that she controlled.
How can she reconcile her role in the church with her apparent wilful behaviour which destroyed so many people’s lives 😡😡😡😡
They almost made her a bishop!
So much about the church. At least she didn't abuse little boys and girls unlike many of her fellows in the church. Only good thing you can say about her
I’ll Help to reconcile it. You need to understand all human psychology to do that reconciling.
The answer is that most behaviour (99%) is driven by fear and pain… seeking safety.. and also they in organisations a group mentality is involved of competition and representing only your organisation. Then there is also the milgram Experiment.
60% or more of people will electrocute at over 300 volts just because an authority figure tells them it’s part of an experiment and that no permanent harm will be done to the person.
@@flowerflower1392 how can you be so sure?
They’re always the worst ones; the ones who think their god is their side.
Squirming. Someone might have to go to jail. The game now is "pass the parcel".
or the brown envelopes to get her off
To be fair parcels is the only part of the business making a consistent profit.
What's ironic she was a practising Vicar isn't a lying ment to be sin? 🤔
Not just a vicar, she was being backed by Justin Welby to become the third highest ranking minister in the C.E. Now he has backtracked and has asked the obvious question of how she wasn't vetted properly.
Almost as if religion isn't actually a true expression of anything and has always been means of power and control. 'Hey I can't be a bad person, I talk to the magic man in the sky'!!!
@@seamus7054Surely he should be doing the vetting for that position?
Paula Vennells is a great example of what a true Christian looks like. Judgemental, superior and as dishonest as they come.
Friends of Welby don't go to jail period
Second Sight report makes it clear she knew!
She's a liar. She needs to go to prison. The evidence against her is overwhelming.
If this lady is as incompetent as she’s trying to make out she would never have made chief executive. She’s a liar.
Yep. She has clearly decided it's better to be an incompetent fool than a liar and a fraud. Unfortunately what she has done is demonstrate that she is all three.
The thing is, how did the kangaroo courts find the defendants guilty? When they were totally innocent. These arseholes , must be investigated now.
Probably because the judges and the juries believed the falsehoods presented to them by the Post Office and their 'expert.'
It is the mentality of 'Experts must always be right.'
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Exactly. The courts can only act on the evidence presented to them by the prosecution and defence teams.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 real experts usually are right, fool.
Guilty as sin, but nothing will come of it.
Anyone ever hear the phrase ‘A big boy did it and ran away.’ When someone doesn’t answer the direct question and ‘Flowers’ up the response, ‘I got on well with everyone’, the only response I can give is ‘Waffle’!
She knew everything, she also knows she wouldn't survive a prison sentence.
I hate that smug smile she gives every now and then! Such arrogance!
Its a brief moment but when it happened i felt as if were 'Im really one of you please help' type smile . PV has somehow learned to word salad and divert facts away from her. She answers this enquiry in the manner she does under high pressure seat , In her own office she must of had many rows . No matter what you find im not to blame here attitude .
Under her watch the PO appealed Judge Fraser's findings/decision. She needs to be charged for knowingly pursuing innocent victims and face a jury's decision.
Either criminally incompetent or a liar either way it needs to go to jail for life
A Christian lying under oath, shocking.
So much about the Church of England...
Happens every single day
SHE DID KNOW! They have all pretty much said " i know nothing" when they knew EVERYTHING AND TRIED TO BURY IT, STOLE PEOPLES MONEY , CRIMINALISED THEM AND GAVE THAT MONEY TO SHARE HOLDERS.. DISGUSTING
Alright, alright. No need to shout 😳
@@digitalimager4946 pretty sure that text not vocal😂
She's got a response to everything, but an answer to nothing.
Prison. !!!
It defies belief that the post office Chief Executive Officer knew nothing of the Horizon ‘bugs’ in 2015. Paula Vennells here gives a masterclass in obfuscation. Jason Beer is excellent in exposing her…..
She is only sorry for getting caught out. She doesn’t care about anything else.😡🤬
Absolutely....because she's been caught....she'd gladly have thrown them all to the wolves, I hope she gets jail time the lying B!
Every witness seems to have displayed moderate levels of cognitive impairment, causing them to not understand what they meant by what they wrote a few years ago, and being unable to recall why they did certain things
... unless it puts them in a positive position... mysteriously otherwise they do not remember...
I wonder if there will be some sort of medical council convened to investigate how cases of Very Specific Dementia occurred in one Very Specific Building
I would have employed almost none of them paper shuffling liars
@tariq_sharif yes. Funny how they can recall stuff that in their eyes may get them off the hook, look favourably for them
Very high pay to shoulder responsibility, until something goes wrong then they’re not responsible. Sickening.
The word you’re looking for is far more serious; accountability. These people must be held accountable for their actions.
If you ask me, the post office’s fear of being sued by Fujitsu for justifiably calling them out for their bullshit software outweighed their concern for ruining innocent people’s lives with false accusations. Despicable.
This woman should have been a clerk at a P.O. counter giving out stamps. But she's promoted way beyond her competence because ............. I've seen it all in education.
I spent 15 years teaching. I've seen it too, women and POC over-promoted, people who aren't good at their jobs but who say the magic woke terms.
Liar!!!!
Word soup nonsense
LIAR!!!!!!!
And still compulsive .
These words will come back to bite her as more evidence is revealed.
Liar
What a load of bollocks she is stating...
I. DID. KNOW IS THE BLOODY ANSWER
How the worm squirmed!
Typical civil servant boss. Just an absolute bully. I worked for a .gov body, a female member of staff made a complaint against a senior manager. Other senior managers forced her out of the organisation.
These rattlesnake tongues of corporate types, make me heave.
Taken legal advice although she’s nothing to hide 🤔 Hopefully she will face a criminal court. 😡
She treats this as a game of kick the can for as long as possible.
Who told the Help desk what to say. You are the only one and there are not problems with Horizon
Looks like she’s been to the same briefings or has been briefed by the same people who briefed Blair on how to talk without saying anything
A bit off topic , a post from a desperate Tory who knows the Torie are toast
@@melvynparkerson9984 This all started under Blair. He forced Horizon through, though not fit for purpose.
Agree they’re all acting like the new messiah bliar all our prime ministers have taken on that mantra ,I would love to see J B interrogate bliar on his wmd and the 45 minute claim ,what a complete set of incompetent traitors we have in government and in the rest of the establishment
The art of Weasel Words
@melvynparkerson9984 , not off topic at all Blair forced Horizon through, please do your homework before you make outlandish and incorrect accusations, you did get the fact that the Tories are finished correct but that took no intelligence whatsoever, oh and I’m not a Tory
SHE IS LYING.
SHE SHOULD GO TO PRISON.
MANY SUFFERED BECAUSE OF HER.
Mark my words, not one person will go to prison over this scandal. The status quo in this country always look after their own kind. Scandal after scandal is subject to public inquiry and nothing ever happens to the wrong doers. Hillsboro, Grenfell, the recent contaminated blood problems etc, it's always the same.
All that happens is that the general public has to pay the lawyers huge fees and the report is forgotten about in a few weeks.
Paula for PM? She would make a superb politician.
If she is not prosecuted in front of a jury it will make a worldwide laughing stock of the British justice system
Eddiedegoede. Start laughing
Why is this happening?? This should be in a court of law now instead of this.
We need to stop screaming about how long she deserves in jail..but to EXAMINE THE IDEOLOGY GOING ON HERE AND IN THIS COUNTRY...
The ideology is alive and well in the ‘ western world ‘ at least!
Why are we allowing this women the opportunity to defend herself, she and her cohorts didn’t give a single thought about the poor buggers they pursued
Yep they'll all walk away. The PO will be given guide lines on how they must change their practices
I didn't answered that question...... (because I had a guilty conscience.... )
I don't think Moya is getting a Christmas card this year.
This says a lot for religion
She is such a liar it's obvious!!!
Sorry Paula, but as CEO, pleading long term ignorance doesn't cut it. You took the big salary, now you have to pay the big time in the slammer for your gross negligence.
Not negligence, incompetence.
@@davidtuer5825 Yep! Both. Problem is people don't go to jail for incompetence. Stupidity isn't illegal whereas gross negligence can be a crime.
Well done Moya for plain speaking and asking a very straight question. Just a shame it wasn't asked sooner, when cases being investigated, subsequent court cases and convictions were going way above the norm!
How did she not know that the PO had its own investigators and prosecutors? Surely, this is something every employee is told on day 1?
Here in the US this commonly referred to as a "word salad"
what a pure borris so superior to others .yets knows nothing no wonder it got knighted.
Jail the liar
Prison
A tiny aside here on sentencing values, Alex Belfield got 5 years as an example of what happens in his case.
This is outstanding, innocent people sent to jail, losing their livilihoods and suicides. No, this woman MUST go to jail.
Wish I had a pound for every time she says I can't remember
If the UK made all CEOs accountable, regardless of how much they are paid, we wouldn't be in this mess. ATM we have incredibly well paid CEOs who are completely unaccountable.
Jason Beer QC I salute you sir! Gentle but always firm
JB KC - so calm, so exact, so thorough… thank-you sir.
If anyone else did a fraction of what this women did we would be serving time.
Moya Green:- "I THINK YOU KNEW"
I think we all do Moya...
She knew and she knew what Moya meant. Put Moya on the stand to confirm it.
Moya is NOT innocent.
Her and her so-called work colleagues should all be in prison
Funny about these managers, nobody knows anything or can't remember!
Corporate bullying in play. The exact same goes on with TV licensing, local councils and other taxpayer funded businesses. The ordinary person has no chance.
The late Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, has said that people in power, often say that things are complicated, when they just want to see the plain simple truth.
Don't the prosecution solicitors have a duty to the defenders
Yes. The inquiry has questioned solicitors, internal Post Office & external ones, about what they knew & their duty of disclosure. There will be disciplinary proceedings against some after this inquiry.
Watching this brings to mind the frase " oh what tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive " ! People not money, dodge the responsibility = prison!
How much bluff and bluster must we endure from the whole lot of these lie, platitude and obfuscation merchants. From the BS spouting CEO to the lying heartless prosecutors, not one has had the common decency to put their hands up and say they take responsibility. They ALL have zero honour and common humanity. How their families and friends must feel watching this is beyond me.
So, you can pocket the better part of a million pounds a year for wandering around the corridors of a large corporation, chatting to some passing employee, listening to other people making decisions at meetings, watching other people at work, without having the slightest clue yourself about what’s going on. Any more of these jobs available?
THE VICAR OF FIDDLY
😅😅😅😅 g'day from Fremantle western Australia
Great comment, watching this from Australia 🦘 came here as a child but still english......just
She knew they were innocent but couldnt face the damage the PO would face if it came out
Mansplaining on a whole new level by Paula. The wisest woman in Christendom.