FREE trial + book from Audible: www.audibletrial.com/elvismenezes Also I do not HATE this movie, if you watch the video I think that’s pretty easy to see
It's biggest problems are: 1) That Strange agreed to the spell in the first place 2) Peter is an idiot 3) Sandman wasn't at risk of dying, so why was he even there?
Shortly after the events of toby spider man 3, the sand man was walking home and then it started raining on him so... No buddy you're wrong. Lol that was my best shot at countering you. I know I know, it was pathetic haha but that's all I could muster... Good points boss. The movie is dumb like that.
Lizard wasn't at risk of dying, either... I seem to be the only one who remembers that Lizard SURVIVES the events of his movie. I guess everyone else in the world got hit by Strange's "forget" spell?? idk lol
The problem with MCU Spider-Man is they started him out as basically an avenger with a magic cyber suit. They had to undo ALL that to set him back to Spider-Man. And they do it by having the Sorcerer Supreme, master of magic, guardian of the Earth fuck up a spell because he can't do a basic questionnaire before starting the procedure. Something a surgeon does all the time.
Kinda reminds me of how in Falcon and Winter Soldier, it’s completely forgotten that Sam used to council army vets who lost friends in battle. When U.S Agent loses his best friend IN SAM’S FACE, Sam doesn’t say to himself “ok. I used to do this for people. I know what to do to help him” or anything. Yet, by the end of the show, he takes up for the girl who’s been blowing up the city. It’s weird man lol.
@@NoirNameless And gives the politicians a generic scolding about just doing their jobs even though there's obviously not going to be an easy answer to reintegrating the many people that were blipped away 5 years ago suddenly popping back in. It was a very complex idea that would have been very interesting to explore but the writers gave up.
The way I see it, this is a Spiderman who never had an Uncle Ben, which is why he was always overly childish and whiny, why hes dependent on others and reveals his face to literally everyone. Also why he lacked his responsibility shtick that spiderman is known for. Spiderman NWH fixed all of these issues for me by implying that hes never experienced the loss because of his own actions, and by filling that void with aunt mays death, it gave him that reality check that the average Peter has with Uncle Ben. In a sense all of Peters character arc throughout these films had been one big origin story, which i love. Yes the ending conveniently reset the character, but it did it in a way that's so inherently Peter Parker, sacrificing himself for the sake of his loved ones.
This may be a bad take of mine, but honestly never realized this angle but it’s pretty good. At the same time, I do admire as one thing in the movie the massive shift of events to Peter being completely isolated at the end of the movie, I sort of attributed the burden there equal to what Peter was struggling with at the very beginning of the movie with Mysterio so when exiting this movie I have another big deal in terms of plot to wonder about until the next movie. My angle is probably not honoring the weight of the consequence the movie starts with but I don’t know I felt the sacrifice that changed Peter’s environment was massive and sort of a product of that domino effect, just wanted to leave additional takeaways to your comment here lol
@@ashernotheis76 ur kinda right but what beck did still had serious consequences whether directly or indirectly him outing pete led to everyone he associates with to have eyes on them which caused ned’s & mj’s college applications to not be considered which led to pete getting strange’s help but then it brought green goblin into the mcu who then killed may and almost stopped him from saving mj basically if mysterio never ratted out on pete, in one way or another, none of this would’ve happened
@bgschannel9357 Just because the villains were pulled from the moment just before they died, doesn't mean they will reappear in those moments. The way the multiverse is said to operate is that any change automatically opens an alternate timeline. In their original timelines they still died. Who knows what happens in the new timelines?
The scene of them at the statue of liberty would've held more value if they had discussed some stories that we never saw in the movies. Like, Toby fighting a mutated rhino or Andrew running into Mary Jane, maybe even fighting Carnage. Stuff that tell us what they've been up to after the movies ended instead of just mentioning stuff we already saw.
@RecordToDeathToBoredom It then acts as something more than just fan service like "Ahh haha I remember this", we get some closure and insight of what became of our heros after we last saw them
@@MyName-bw1kz I don't remember anything about Toby fighting a mutated Rhino bro. That's why I'm asking why you acting like something was there when it wasn't. In the first place, they already talk about what they've been doing. Like Toby being steady with Mary Jane.
@@MyName-bw1kz No, the other guy is right. It just makes people want to see something that will never happen. Them acknowledging past movies tells you, the viewer, that the people who made this movie are fans just like you. It's not some corporate assclown who doesn't give a shit about the storytelling medium. Despite the fact that the Tobey Trilogy is over and there's no third Andrew Garfield movies, they still happened in the multiverse somewhere. i.e: they were not a waste of your time.
Worldofgeekdom said it best. This movie was designed to be a stadium like event. Meaning it needs an audience to react to the big moments. Best example is andrew garfield first appearing. The way he takes off his mask and it takes a moment for him to talk. That was intentionally placed there so that the audience in theaters would have their moment to scream. Plenty of moments like that in the movie and if you watch it alone. Those moments are a bit awkward
@unropednope4644 i never said it was a wrong choice. Based on the box office numbers the movie was near perfect. Unfortunately, it's just not a movie that will age well in multiple viewings
Can you imagine how epic would have been the press for this movie had it not been lockdown times? All three Spidey actors making appearances and doing talk shows together? It would have been so good.
They wouldn't have done interviews together because they wanted to keep their inclusion a secret. Even when footage was leaked, Andrew and Toby were still denying being in the movie.
In all fairness this happens irl. If someone is accused of something but proven innocent, colleges don't want that kind of smoke and its easy to just deny them.
Theres all these awkward silences that were clearly scream points for the audience. And marvel fans will still insist these arent theme parks like scorsese said lol
I've said from day 1. Dr. Strange shouldn't have been in the movie. It should have been Ant Man. A quantum rift in the multiverse would have been much better than "oops I didn't mean to do that." From Dr Strange
Interesting point but I think Dr strange was in to have a bit of a mentor like relationship and maybe antman wasn't the proper character since Spidey is maybe more mature than him but I only saw the first antman so maybe he had more growth in that regard
@@jacobwest7 We've had enough mentors for pete lmao, I think it'd be more fun with Ant-man being sort of like a big bro or cousin type of guy who's got some wisdom but also not overly stern
@@jacobwest7 He already had Tony as a mentor. He didn't really need a new one. That being said, Scott is a father that wasn't able to be there for his daughter. They could have easily leaned into that and made him a fatherly figure for Peter. That would have actually been more natural than a middle aged bachelor.
I was watching the film for the first time and it was so obvious that this is just a cameo cashgrab. I mean every 5 seconds a character does something or says something to remind you what happend in the old days. For me it was so cringe hearing epic and dramatic lines from my favorite superhero copied and pasted for the sake of a cameo. I think they messed really up with this one. I like the idea of bringing back the old spideys. In theory it should be cool but in reality you can hear the producers saying while you watch the film: "Here, do you remember? We brought this and that and this back! Epic isn't it? ;-) " totally unimmersive experience. Not to mention, that the whole film makes no sense.
Here's the problem with a lot of modern movies (not just this one). They are being specifically made for the theater experience. They are made to be reacted to, appluded at, and cheered at for that group experience in the theater. When you watch the movie at home, all of that is gone and the cracks and mistakes are a lot more noticeable.
It's all about that big opening weekend at the box office and word of mouth, yes. No-one at the big Hollywood studios cares about making something good. They just want to make back the movie's unreasonably large budget as quickly as possible. +sigh+
@@samtaholo Everyone complains about it but everyone still watches all these movies... It's the consumers' fault if and when shit is produced. They eat it up.
Makes sense, since now these movies make most of their money in theaters. With no physical media release like back in the day to make even more money once it leaves and no PPV and everything going to streaming once out of theaters, they gotta pretty much make these movies bigger theater experiences to make the bulk of their money in guessing. I'm not sure how much the studio would get paid or how the pay system would work if this movie went to Disney Plus
I still absolutely HATE about the writing in this movie is how Tobey says "He died in my arms, after he tried to kill me" It's such a slap in the face and ruins Harry's death in SM3 He died saving Peter's life, Peter would never then start reminding people that Harry tried to kill him at one point. Just horrible writing to make a joke that wasn't even funny...
I honestly thought that scene was kinda funny but I understand your point as it does make harry the butt of a joke but for me since it was a small line it didn’t really bother me all that much, I kinda took it as a neat nod to spiderman 3
@@sithlordmikeyp Legit. One of the worst moments in the MCU was in Homecoming where he gets caught in the library and just blurts out "wAtChInG pOrn". So distracting to include a line like that in a Spider-Man movie
But this is what I loved about it. They didn't follow the movie cliche where Toms Spiderman is in trouble, almost being killed by one of the villains, and then out of nowhere another spiderman comes in to save the day. No. Instead they just stumbled in through those portals. And that kind of made it feel real to me. Like the reaction with Tobey getting in and saying "Hi" was so in character for his Peter Parker.
@@SpellracecarBackwards Plus it was important to have the other 2 Spidermen come in at Tom's Spiderman's worst moment. That moment they all have when they all first meet is a great scene.
For me, it was how the returning roles were quoting/referencing themselves like repeating catchphrases. Almost like a “remember that thing for that movie? We referenced it!” 🤦♂️
@@berenerchamion4998 yeah I liked it but then I was like ‘wait these villains suck’ and people try to make excuses saying they aren’t the focus or ‘but that’s cuz it’s Deadpool’ that isn’t a reasonable excuse. Deadpool 1&2 had better written antagonists
Spectacle over storytelling is exactly what the MCU has been doing since Endgame. They rather have fan service and shock value over good storytelling especially DP&Wolverine where its like a one-time Rollercoaster ride and if you rewatch it you'll notice more plot holes
2:52 to be fair to them, the director said behind the scenes that that the reason the spell was able to break through the multiverse was because of the Damage already done to the multiverse in Loki season 1. While it would've been cool to reference this in some way it's not cool that fans have to go digging for answers after watching the movie .
the scene where they are waiting and joking around still one of my favorite scenes out the movie bc we alrdy had the super serious death talk scene and seeing the spider-men goof while waiting for the villains is something i could see a group of spidermen doing in comics
I was kinda baffled at the No Way Home reception. Ending the second movie with him revealing his identity as Peter Parker - following in the footsteps of one of the worst stories in Marvel comics history - never made sense to me, but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Then the 3rd movie came out and it was all a nostalgia cash grab multiverse story and I'm wondering why everyone is in love with it. And now they're making the 4th movie a multiverse story, too?? Marvel studios has so many Spiderman stories to choose from, but they're creatively bankrupt.
in my opinion, the force awakens is the best of the sequel trilogy. everything else after that just fell so short (Rogue One is easily the best SW film since ROTS tho)
@@grabble7605Max never learned Spider-Man's identity. That's even referenced in No Way Home when Electro says that he thought Peter would be Black - he would have known that if he learned Spidey's identity.
9:27 Yeah, that’s one thing I didn’t like about this movie on the first viewing. It’s that the MCU Spider-Man basically took three movies to do what the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man did in the first one 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, but here’s the thing about the comics…it took years to get to where the Tobey version was. The MCU took the slow path to get to what most people consider to be quintessential Spider Man
I went to Houston hot chicken in TEMPE,ARIZONA and the cashier told me he met Jaime fox when Jaime came in an ordered a chicken sandwich and fries and ate it outside the restaurant in his Lamborghini uris ! The cashier even showed the picture of Jaime fox at the front counter of the restaurant!
@SamC_182 Yeah and I'm a big Spider-Man fan too but I just couldn't unsee what the directors were trying to accomplish there. You have to be that one pointing wojak in order to enjoy the movie
Having supervillains in a condo was ridiculous. He didn’t think what could go wrong if they all just go crazy, just ignoring the fact that they all hate him. To top it off aunt may was just hanging around with green goblin and friends.
I think you guys need to do a rewatch. It was in fact in Happy's condo here Stark's magic 3d printer was located (the thing they need to make the evil-inhibitor for all the baddies).
@@NingjaTerdoyes and that makes Peter even dumbest, why the fuck you bring your aunt with a bunch of super villains in the first place? Why bring a guy who can suck electricity off to a place where there's a big source of it?
@@NingjaTerdo I couldn't care less that he takes them with him because it makes for fun moments, but if I was gonna be cynical and serious about this movie then I'd suggest that he should have left the supervillains in the basement and worked on the cures by himself
I will always maintain that this should have been a 2 parter. First movie give the Peter clearing his name courtroom drama stuff some time to breathe, slowly build the threat of the villains coming through, and end it with the Andrew and Tobey reveal. Part 2 start it from the POVs of Andrew and Tobey in their universes before they get pulled through, and give them more of their own character arcs
The "My Back" callback scene, I feel, is Tom Holland's Spider-Man coping with the loss with humor and witty banter like always. Tobey and Andrew, then match his mood because that's kinda how they all dealt with it later on and the realized that sometimes the order gets shifted. Grief is a curious thing that registers differently in different people, plus, Tom's still a kid at this point, or at least he's characterized as such. It's like two grown-Ups playing games with a kid to keep his mind off of things. At least that's my headcanon.
Imagine you didn’t watch or even know about the other Spider-Man movies and you watch no way home with all these random villain and spidermen you never seen before. Now the hype around the movie is completely dead and it’s suddenly not as good anymore
@@OneAtFaultMedia these versions of those vilains from the comics are specifically from movies from the past. the movie is pretty tied to the nostalgia you are suppose to feel from seing them again so even if you could just google their names you are not gonna feel the impact of them being present especially if you didn't grow up with those movies.
@malikpierre-louis3343 That is true, but taking off the nostalgia glasses is not really a bad film either. It could just be looked upon as other variants . Maybe that's not the best argument, but I have thought about it, and mainly what I could compare it to is the animated series multiverse episode. But yeah, honestly, this movie was obviously made for nostalgia as well as if it wasn't it would be played upon entirely, but that's just my 2 cents, mainly the whole story of this being Tom's "origin" and start as Spiderman in terms of coming into his own and not relying on any other superhero is why I put this movie in a high regard in terms of story as well, well that's TBD cuz if they fumble the next one then this movies pretty much gonna stay in the disappointing category with the other mcu spiderman films.
This could just be me, but I watched Deadpool & Wolverine barely having seen any of the Fox movies and certainly not caring enough about them to know any of the cameos, and the movie was still really fun for me, whereas No Way Home doesn’t hold up for me at all on rewatch even as a massive Spider-Man fan. The Deadpool movies have always been referential and I personally never had to “get” every single one of the jokes to enjoy them. That’s just me though!
As much as I enjoyed the film, it had many retcons and plots holes that suggested the writers didn’t actually rewatch the other movies, and were going purely off of someone’s memory from years ago. For instance, forgetting that Dr Octavius already redeemed himself, or that both Flint and Dr Connors redeemed themselves AND DIDN’T DIE. It doesn’t take long to binge those five movies. It’s not a challenge to just do your homework. Then the dialogue that were clearly references after references, which is just lazy pandering. It was like Sidious saying “The Dark Side is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be… unnatural.” These characters are often written to be fairly realistic to their worlds, and don’t have catch phrases like Saturday morning cartoons, so whenever they bring back an old character or actor, having them repeat quotes in that way feels unnatural and obnoxiously forced. I enjoyed the film, and it’s fun to rewatch for a fix of seeing so many iconic roles brought back, or to watch during a Spider-Man binge, but man it’s got serious flaws!
Seemingly everybody gets the ending to this movie wrong and it was, even on first viewing, the biggest letdown of the entire film, almost ruining the whole thing for me. Peter's quote-unquote sacrifice at the end is NOT heroic or selfless in the way people claim it is and is definitely NOT what the common conception of Peter Parker would or should do. Remember the ending to that wonderful movie called Spider-Man 2? Remember what MJ's response to Peter was when he says they can't be together because it would put her in danger? "Can't you respect me enough to let me make my own decision?...It's wrong that we should only be half-alive, half of ourselves". Both MJ and Ned made him promise to find them and tell them the truth so that they wouldn't have to forget everything that they had been through...because they valued that part of their lives EVEN THOUGH it put them in danger. They CHOSE love and friendship knowing the risks. But Peter decides that he can't handle the thought of something happening to them, so he instead chooses to break a promise and discard not just his own bonds but theirs and their histories as well...all so that he can attempt to be free of any sense of responsibility or guilt of being close to them (which wouldn't work anyway, since Peter still remembers their past). Also, doesn't Ned deserve to know that maybe he has a talent for sorcery? That might be a kind of important thing he has a right to know about and decide for himself what to do with. Yeah, the very ending of this movie bombed REALLY hard for me and that was unfortunate because most of the rest of it was quite enjoyable. It struck me as the MCU equivalent of "One More Day", where it was just an excuse to be lazy and reset established character arcs to free future script from, you know, actually having to deal with the existence of past movies.
Don't worry. In typical MCU fashion, they will undermine and erase that "sacrifice" and Peter will end up telling Ned and MJ everything in the next film.
while ur not wrong, i disagree about it being a flaw with the movie (u don’t have to agree with me tho) bc while pete’s sacrifice at the end is selfish, it does make sense for him to make that decision bc him letting ppl in his life know he’s spider man has put them in jeopardy so as a result, he’s probably not gonna get close to anyone once we see him in spider man 4 bc of his sense of responsibility (which was shown when he almost tried to reconnect with mj at the end of nwh). this decision opens up an opportunity for character growth in the next trilogy where pete has to learn to let ppl get close to him again (similar to daredevil’s character arc in daredevil s3).
@@tasm2016 You're right. If that moment is used as a mistake that Peter learns from in the next movie, then there can be some retroactive value to it. My main contention is that most viewers I've seen speak on the ending treat it as if Peter made some kind of amazing heroic gesture here when, on closer inspection, it really isn't the noble act those people think it is. At the end of the day, Peter a) broke a deeply personal promise to his best friends, b) denied them the right to choose their own path in life and c) denied them the right to know the truth about their past. Heroic? Not exactly.
7:15 Going through lose, the tone felt real. I’ve personally lost parents. It’s not all down, it’s not all up, it’s a roller coaster. If people were just sad all the time after death, they’d kill themselves. I’m talking like crippling crying depression. It’s up and down. So the few moments of talking, even after her death, it did make sense. To me.
9:07 Not to mention, it would have been way easier to make everyone forget Spider-man. Only thing Holland would need to do the next day is go stop some crime and people would have been "Hey look, a new super hero, it's the 351th this week".
@@markwrath Yeah complete and utter character assassinations all the way. These MCU/ Disney universe movies can't make characters for shh and they go and have to ruin old and established characters. They ruin everything.
@@ElvisMenezes1 I’ll give you an exemple. Doc Oc was not trying to kill tobey in the second movie. He was redeeming himself moments before dying, for the movies plot they ignore that so he is still trying to kill a Spiderman. Then they cured him by disabling the arms, removing the verbal exchange we once had
@@markwrath to be fair when he first learned it is peter in Spiderman 2 he still was choking him until peter verbally convinced him to do the right thing. They are supposed to be taken from that world at the time they know peter parker is spiderman. At least I think that is what they were going for. I think Goblin was taken before the final fight of Spiderman 1. I don't think the movie was perfect or anything though. There is also a line when we first see doc in no way home where he mentions that he was choking spiderman and then he was transported to other universe.
BRO THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT DEAPOOL & WOLVERINE.. omgggggg. soo many plot holes n ppl just praising it cuz there excited to see reynolds and jackman on the big screen in the suits. brushing allll the flaws under the rug.
tbf ryan reynolds did state on record that dp&w's plot was there purely to push the action forwards, sometimes it's okay to have a popcorn flick and if there's any movie that is good to be one, it's that one. it did what i've been waiting on for years, i didn't need it to have interstellar-levels of writing
I think dp&w would be be an exception to this since it's not really supposed to make a whole lot of sense and is a combination of a dumb action movie, a movie trying to fit into a universe that is failing, and being a critique of that universe in a non-serious but also kinda serious way.
Another problem with the final spell, everyone can forget all they want, but the spell doesn't extend to the Internet and Peter was already outed to the world at that point.
@05dturner yea you're absolutely right but why didn't MJ immediately recognize Peter when he walked in the coffee shop. Now i know the MCU isn't perfect or even good but this is the Spider-Man everyone wanted and now we have it. A regular kid with real world problems who just so happens to be a Genetically Modified Superhuman. No Iron Man. No Aunt May. Now we have to see what the 4th movie brings us to see if the MCU really will lean into the true essence of Spider-Man not Peter Parker.
Movies these days, especially marvel movies, are literally just designed for that first watch. It's shock value that they are aiming for. The issue is that shock value only really hits well the first time, and perhaps one more time. But once you know everything that's going to happen, you no longer get shocked or surprised, and when that is the entire premise that movie is built around, it crumbles.
@@redscyther7725 that's because you were a child. As a kid I also watched Jurassic Park over and over... But after growing up I can't re-watch it every few days.
The movie is also just one giant plot hole with smaller plot holes sprinkled in, off top of my head doc ock knowing green goblin is Norman osbourne made no sense.
My problem with the spell they use to make people forget Peter Parker is that it means Tom fucked over every Spider-Man in the multiverse. Because everyone that knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man were being briught into the MCU world, EVERYONE would have to forget in order for that to stop. He fucked over Andrew and Tobey, too.
I've always believed Endgame and Ragnarok were the worst Marvel movies - partly because they laid the foundation for what would eventually sink the MCU. Out of place, forced humor from characters who should never be used as comic relief in Ragnarok and unnecessary fan service covering a lazy plot in Endgame. Since then it seems that's all the MCU has been lazy writing and execution with bad jokes and fan service to try to cover things up
Disney's Ham Fisted Humor at work. I hate it. One of the first scenes in the SW Sequel #1 was ruined by "So, how does this work? Do I talk, do you talk?" from Poe when facing Ren after being captured. Totally unnecessary. My husband actually loathes such attempts at "humor" in such out of place ways. Like, it would work if the movies were COMEDY BASED but these aren't that, so it just doesn't work at all.
@@Sphendrana i hate how allergic hollywood is to genuine storytelling now. cant have a damn story element without at least 58 rick and morty level references talking about how stupid it is. its a big problem with this generation of media in general; people are too adverse to being genuine!
People are cringe, I saw the movie for what it was on the first viewing. I enjoyed it, but it was a gimmick and I never felt the need to discuss it afterwards or rewatch it. It's a decent marvel movie in the post Endgame era.
Not only does the final spell not make sense, but strange hesitates? In the beginning, he was like yup, everyone will forget you, no big deal, but at the end, he sounds sad about it. And this is after peter had spent half of the movie fucking with him. Also, Electro being there makes no sense. I like they redid his character since he was basically 3 different people in ASM2 but those enemies were there specifically cause they knew who Spider-man was, he didnt. Then at the end they all just get sent back to die anyway, making the entire movie kinda pointless. Though supposedly this was being written on the fly since they didnt even know which actors they could actually get back so it kinda makes sense that its a bit of a mess.
5:38- then you question why are they willingly walking through a portal and, deciding to stick around? Weren’t they attending to more important matters in their own universe in that instant?
I've always hated it since the first watch. For one: There was no point of Aunt May dying. It was just for fan service so nerds could praise the movie because Peter "lost his Uncle Ben figure" and has something to sob to Tobey and Andrew's spidermen about. It also really pisses me off that Aunt May said "With great power comes great responsibility" right before she died. There is absolutely no reason for her to say that other than fan service. It feels very forced, and extremely out of place. tell you what would have been better: Tony Stark should have said that to Peter right before he died. It would have made so much more sense if iron man said it. Because Tony Stark has great power as a billionare iron man, and with that power comes the responsibility of him helping people, therefore it would have been better and made A LOT more sense if Tony said to Peter "With great power comes great responsibilty". Why on Earth would Aunt May say it? Plus Tony Stark was Peter's Uncle Ben figure
Its a trick, that worked, the film is tricking you into enjoyment by having great nostalgia bait and a big reference fest. U enjoy these things even if you dont with heinsight. The trick worked, but over time, you see through the quick rushes and notice there's not much left without them.
Wait what? Today it's 22 January 2025. The movie was released in 17 December 2021. I remember going to watch the movie on the first day itself just for Tobey Maguire. It's been that long? Seems like it's been a Decade.
I agree, that was my first reaction actually. Its just ridden with cameos and stuff. Like there is no space OTHER than cameos and references to older movies (or atleast some nostalgic moments) which matter much
5:00 I only wish this arc had anything to do with villains that actually torment Holland's spiderman, and not, oh I don't know, some random jackhole who's another person's nemesis.
This is also how I feel about Deadpool and Wolverine. Sutton theaters in really enjoyed it then saw it on Disney plus and stopped halfway through I just found it too boring
Maturing and realising it was hyped due to probably nostalgia because rewatching this actually left me with actual questions than answer for example on why sandman was against the spiders even tho he wanted to go home, and another thing is the audience applause breaks is unbearable specially when im rewatching it by myself, like its so awkward 😂
Well, here's the thing this movie isn't really meant to be rewatched multiple times. I haven't watched No Way Home since it was in theaters. But I get the sentiment Dawn of the Dead is a comedy movie to me now after seeing it so many times. I also went through the same thing with Captain America Civil War. You can only get excited so much so many times.
I think there's an art to watching something the first time, but I think there's also an art to rewatching something and seeing if it holds up (which usually comes down to the quality of the movie, and how well it's constructed)
And might be an unpopular opinion, but with Zendaya, never truly felt like Mary Jane to me the way she feels in the comics or even the original Raimi's trilogy.
@@twostep919 very average. In dune theres a part where shes walking down the cliff face and she isnt even looking where she is walking and she makes a random glance upwards. its really jarring. The director shoulda called cut but probably didnt cause of her fame.
One moment that actually gets better on a rewatch is Garfield-Spidey mentioning that he "stopped pulling his punches" after Gwen died. In the moment you might not realize it; but then later you stop and think about it and remember how strong Spider-Man is, and how terrifying him doing that would be. Garfield-Spidey probably killed a few people.
this is a great way to really know if a movie is great. can you rewatch it over and over. i have movies i can see a million times and they never get old. heat, godfather, apocalypse now, basically any scorsese film. a lot of the best films are usually flying right under the radar. we still have movies like that they just dont make spider-man money.
I haven't watched it yet but I loved Logan, like many of us, so I was confused as to why this was happening. Perhaps it's in the comics as well or some sort of multiverse thing that Wolverine can come, but how is it Deadpool out of all of them? 😮
Great points overall. I rewatched No Way Home for the first time pretty recently, and I agree with pretty much everything here. The first “half” (doesn’t feel like half, feels like more) before Toby and Andrew show up is slow and boring. Every part with Doctor strange involved doesn’t make sense. The Sorcerer Supreme doesn’t think to explain the full spell and its function? Then he can’t manage Peter’s additions to the spell? Then he can’t “contain” the spell? And this spell somehow makes multiple dimensions combine, but only like 3 people from each dimension cross over? And then he gets instantly stopped by Spiderman? And then he disappears until the very end of the movie and can magically fix the spell? Like it literally goes on that much in your head how bad the overall story is when you aren’t being wowed by nostalgia. But man Toby and Andrew steal the show, and pretty much all of the good parts left are focused on them. Like you mentioned their personal redemption, their big brother feel of helping Tom, and their empathy for his pain. Not even just the serious and good story bits either, all of the comedy and everything they just dominate the best parts of this movie. It really made me wish that they both got better endings to their arcs. Toby with Spiderman 3 being a huge mess that ruined his version and career as the character, and Andrew getting stonewalled by a wacky, weird mess with Amazing Spiderman 2. They both were really good in their own ways, and Tom’s Spiderman just doesn’t stand up sadly. It’s like he just didn’t have a specific persona or design, he’s like Andrew’s Peter in that he’s clearly not a nerdy guy, but he’s not that funny or quippy. He has more physicality like Toby, but he doesn’t play the part of a nerdy guy. Like he just doesn’t have a strength, and his “being a super genius” never exists and when it does it’s leaning fully on another character to work, so it doesn’t feel like he’s the genius.
I’m sorry but after they threw Dock out of the window, made fun of his powers and his name and made tentacle jokes of him, and took him out of the movie for a good 40 minutes, I’m sorry you only get one chance only to revisit a character like him, and THAT’S WHAT YOU DID WITH HIM!? I never liked this movie since I first watched it. It has way too many flaws. 😒
Really good video. I'm glad I my good memories of the lovie weren't ruined like I thought by the video's title but the points about general MCU stigmas/tropes felt generally validated and appreciated
These movies lack soul. Critics have been saying it the whole time, not that anyone listens anymore. But, I mean, name the last MCU film whose director you can name off the top of your head because it was unique or memorable. Joss Whedon's Avengers? Jon Favreau's Iron man 1 and 2? While it was still a Paramount thing? Perhaps Shane Black's joyless Iron Man 3? Listening to the fans isn't a better idea than letting the studios work their magic. It's specifically when execs set restrictions for production that things get dumb. It's only been extra obvious as of late because people have been rewatching "what used to be" and comparing it to what came before and the shit we've gotten since. But the problem is an overabundance of technique, just like how so many people trying to make it on social media all enthusiastically tell viewers to sub, ring the bell, smash that like button, et cetera. It's effective, not memorable or meaningful.
I couldn't name any of the directors anyway except Joss and only because he was heavily involved in the scripts and it's SO FUCKING OBVIOUS with every other line a quip. And Iron Man 2 is just bad.
My headcanon for why Dr. Strange didn't go over the details of the spell he was going to cast with Peter was because he had fought alongside and trusted Peter. He assumed Peter had maturely, carefully thought it over like an experienced, battle-hardened competent adult coworker, since he had helped fight the presumed strongest being in the universe and had helped save the Earth plus half the universe. Strange even later says after casting the spell: "You know, after everything we’ve been through together, somehow I always forget you’re...you’re just a kid."
The movie IS great. Even after all that excitement for returning characters, it still holds up as it treat those characters with love and care, it improves a story of Tom's Spidey and leads to a very satisfying ending (which, I hope, they won't waste). Even to this day, I think No Way Home is the ONLY MCU movie that gets the fanservice and cameos right. Even Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't as good at it. It's a shame that due to the success of the movie, the film makers (not just MCU and not just superhero) took all WRONG lessons from it...
My biggest gripe is how long it took people to recognize this. I literally walked out of the movie theater questioning why the entire movie had to even take place in the first place... The entire plot was beyond dumb... . Basically my entire memory of the movie is "Peter wants people to forget him, Strange basically puts up zero resistance, provides zero warning, and casts a crazy spell to make that happen, which backfires in a way he claims he knew could happen." I remember my brain just kinda shutting down after that. If the entire conflict of the movie is based around that... it's not a film worth giving a shit about.
As a huge Tobey and Garfield fan I was pretty disappointed the first time around. Besides all the potholes and character assassinations, it was just typical MCU bad dialogue and painfully unfunny jokes. These movies aren't sincere and all the Tom Holland films felt like this. They can't have a single second of an emotional moment before they ruin it with garbage joke and a wink to the camera. Like get outta here man, bunch of viewer intelligence insulting nonsense, as always with Disney. I like superhero movies way better when there wasn't all this multiverse nonsense with a gazillion superheroes
@Thedarkknight27474 Ignorance is bliss. Gotta not use the brains, gotta obey the Disney overlords, gotta be entertained and not question anything. 🤡 Or you can look up why the movie is heavily criticised. Or ask. But no people with a different opinion should just "shut up" lmao
"If everyone's super, no one is" kinda hard to view a superhero as extraordinary when all the other characters are superheros too, making them, well, ordinary
But the problem is, even if he helps the villains do better or be better, they still will die if they're put back where they would be. Green Goblin being cured still results in Norman Osborne going back and being stabbed by the glider and dying. He'll just bleed out with a sound mind now.
Ngl when people keep saying fan service nostalgia cashgrab thing i think some of yall forget what multiverse is and what is the content of Mcu right now like we are litteraly in the "Multiverse saga" not some infinity saga moment
even then they could use other actors if they actually want to do multiverse stuff, it doesn’t have to rely on old actors or the same actor copy pasted and recolored, like u said it’s a MULTIVERSE SAGA, there’s many alternatives but they use the old instead of other things we haven’t seen
@@idkanymorelmao271 Maybe becuase the older actors should be recognized by today’s generation since they’v been forgotten or never even heard of at this point ? Nothing wrong with giving them some love and fan service to the people that made marvel what it is today
@ i get that, trust me, i loved seeing Tobey back on screen, but it’s just not really multiverse ig, especially when the multiverse it’s just the same actor recolored, yes in comics the characters look the same sometimes, but since the mcu is different they could have done better things with it, just feels like wasted potential to me, i will say i am glad the old actors can shine again with their versions, but we also need newer takes on a character that doesn’t just use the same old actors we grew up on yk? even it out in some sorta way without the current character trying to do so for the lack of other type of variants, idk man i’m just disappointed with the multiverse saga
As a long-time fan of the Spider-Man franchise, I have always appreciated the character dynamics and relationships that are portrayed on screen. However, in this latest installment, I was quite taken aback when the character referred to Aunt May simply as "May." This casual reference felt out of character and undermined the depth of their relationship. It is a small detail, but one that I believe holds significant weight in maintaining the integrity of the story and its characters.
There are so many Marvel films and they’re all incredibly popular, so in a way they’ve defined mainstream cinema for the past decade and a half. And yet, when I turned 18 and watched Infinity War, it became apparent to me that I couldn’t watch these films anymore. I was going through my journey through cinema, and Marvel films just don’t offer much. They’re formulaic, narratively predictable, plot-heavy/story-light, big films. This doesn’t inherently make them bad, but once you’ve seen a few you’re not going get anything radically different. The characters never feel like characters but an outline of one. The films have lots of conflict, and yet little drama, an odd juxtaposition. The filmmaking is genuinely poor, terrible lighting, lack of blocking, uncanny visual effects, plain and unadventurous. No auteurs operate Marvel films, and no Marvel film feels like a personally connected to the person who made them. It’s rigidly corporate, audience-tested, unintellectual products labelled as “films”. Artistically, these films hold no value. They exploit their audience by rehashing them with familiarity and nostalgia in the hopes to win crowds over without ever having to challenge them. They are safe films; never commenting or tackling the human condition, rather they provide nothing but pure escapism as the masses continue to plunge into increasing economic hardships and sociopolitical instability. I can’t enjoy these films, there’s no filmic exhibitionism to appreciate or meaning to dissect. I am disconnected from Marvel, and in a way I’ve felt disconnected from mainstream cinema as a result. I could not be paid to watch this film. Why am I writing this?
I mean, going into a comic book film expecting The Sopranos or The Godfather is weird, these films are supposed to be theatrical rides. Its a genre geared towards younger audiences for a reason.
@ look at Tim Burton’s and Nolan’s Batman films, hell even Sam Rami’s Spider-man films. Great effort and filmmaking don’t have to be mutually exclusive from a superhero led film. And I would have agreed ten years ago that they’re made for teenagers, but it seems they’re geared for the ‘man-child’ phenomenon audience in their 20’s and 30’s. Children’s films don’t have to be shallow, and to critique them for being so should also be valid, I’d say the Toy Story films proved that it’s more than possible, even without an auteur behind them.
7:09 u mention that the scene of all 3 of them talking is out of place considering may’s death and that it feels goofy but i think it’s a needed moment of levity for tom’s peter and the audience after what happened and it strengthens the brotherly bond between the 3 of them, which is why i think that scene in particular is more than just fan service (even tho it is great fan service imo lol)
Oh look at me! I’m @danofsteel785, I watch Martin Scorsese films my IQ is SO much higher than the rest of you simpletons 🤓🤓🤓Oh my your such a film critic 🔥🔥🔥It’s like no matter what he says I’ll regurgitate it out because oh that’s the film bro director. Not everything needs to be a dam synopsis or complex mafia tale 😂😂😂Learn to enjoy movies u goddam nerd not everything should be scorsese
As soon as I got out of the cinema I thought "My favourite parts of this movie depended entirely on my appreciation for the Raimi and Webb movies, without that the story feels much weaker." Willem Dafoe is still the goat tho
That's the point. If they didn't do the Raimi tie in, I wouldn't have watched. The most poignant part of the movie is where Ned says "Show the REAL Peter Parker" and Tobey steps through the portal
imo the whole movie IS fan service.. and that is actually the reason why it worked, because if you’re not a fan then why would you watch it in the first place?
Only thing I liked from this movie was Andrew Garfield. The thing I hated the most (the only time I ever watched it) is how long they spend on their suits, but with the masks off (for obvious reasons) I also hate May's stupid way of dying. Just like Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man. What the hell were they doing there, for sure not helping
"Oh no, my mother-aunt has a huge gaping wound that will kill her before help arrives. If only I had some substance that was strong and sticky and could at least maybe close it enough to give her a chance at surviving..."
I like the movie, because it shows, there is an archetype of the Spider-Man - all the paralels between the three (Aunt May saying the resposnsibility quote before dying). And the ending is a recognition that the story follows a kind of same points, has the same way of unrolling.
I actually just rewatched NWH recently w/ all the bonus/deleted scenes and just thinking about the story ALL from an 17/18 year old perspective makes it one of my favorite spiderman stories and the New York swinging scenes n electro fight n bridge fight, and weight of the story and not even mentioning Tobey and Andrew mentoring a young spiderman n rage spiderman all in one movie is just great! The final scene when Peter doesnt tell MJ and remind her of their history, choosing to sacrifice his happiness over her safety, genuinely makes me tear up cuz of how bittersweet and beautifully acted it is
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Also I do not HATE this movie, if you watch the video I think that’s pretty easy to see
Why even make a video if you can't even commit to the fuckin title
If you enjoyed it the first time you watched it , all this is irrelevant.
The title says “apparently”
It's biggest problems are:
1) That Strange agreed to the spell in the first place
2) Peter is an idiot
3) Sandman wasn't at risk of dying, so why was he even there?
Shortly after the events of toby spider man 3, the sand man was walking home and then it started raining on him so... No buddy you're wrong.
Lol that was my best shot at countering you. I know I know, it was pathetic haha but that's all I could muster...
Good points boss. The movie is dumb like that.
Because it's either send em all or none, Sandman wanted Peter to send him home lmao, he didn't care about saving the other villains
Lizard wasn't at risk of dying, either... I seem to be the only one who remembers that Lizard SURVIVES the events of his movie. I guess everyone else in the world got hit by Strange's "forget" spell?? idk lol
@@PromusKaa Maybe they were counting on people like me who didn't see those Garfield spidermans haha?
@ That isn't the issue. The issue is he shouldn't have found his way to the MCU at all.
The problem with MCU Spider-Man is they started him out as basically an avenger with a magic cyber suit. They had to undo ALL that to set him back to Spider-Man. And they do it by having the Sorcerer Supreme, master of magic, guardian of the Earth fuck up a spell because he can't do a basic questionnaire before starting the procedure. Something a surgeon does all the time.
and he used to BE a surgeon!
Kinda reminds me of how in Falcon and Winter Soldier, it’s completely forgotten that Sam used to council army vets who lost friends in battle. When U.S Agent loses his best friend IN SAM’S FACE, Sam doesn’t say to himself “ok. I used to do this for people. I know what to do to help him” or anything. Yet, by the end of the show, he takes up for the girl who’s been blowing up the city. It’s weird man lol.
@@NoirNameless And gives the politicians a generic scolding about just doing their jobs even though there's obviously not going to be an easy answer to reintegrating the many people that were blipped away 5 years ago suddenly popping back in. It was a very complex idea that would have been very interesting to explore but the writers gave up.
The way I see it, this is a Spiderman who never had an Uncle Ben, which is why he was always overly childish and whiny, why hes dependent on others and reveals his face to literally everyone. Also why he lacked his responsibility shtick that spiderman is known for.
Spiderman NWH fixed all of these issues for me by implying that hes never experienced the loss because of his own actions, and by filling that void with aunt mays death, it gave him that reality check that the average Peter has with Uncle Ben.
In a sense all of Peters character arc throughout these films had been one big origin story, which i love.
Yes the ending conveniently reset the character, but it did it in a way that's so inherently Peter Parker, sacrificing himself for the sake of his loved ones.
It really bummed me out how quickly the movie drops the story angle of Peter having to clear his name and prove his innocence from Mysterio.
This may be a bad take of mine, but honestly never realized this angle but it’s pretty good. At the same time, I do admire as one thing in the movie the massive shift of events to Peter being completely isolated at the end of the movie, I sort of attributed the burden there equal to what Peter was struggling with at the very beginning of the movie with Mysterio so when exiting this movie I have another big deal in terms of plot to wonder about until the next movie. My angle is probably not honoring the weight of the consequence the movie starts with but I don’t know I felt the sacrifice that changed Peter’s environment was massive and sort of a product of that domino effect, just wanted to leave additional takeaways to your comment here lol
Well because this could be controversial and make allusions to real events.
@@ashernotheis76 He had a good lawyer 😆
@@ashernotheis76 ur kinda right but what beck did still had serious consequences whether directly or indirectly
him outing pete led to everyone he associates with to have eyes on them which caused ned’s & mj’s college applications to not be considered which led to pete getting strange’s help but then it brought green goblin into the mcu who then killed may and almost stopped him from saving mj
basically if mysterio never ratted out on pete, in one way or another, none of this would’ve happened
Yeah it kind of just negates the previous movie entirely right away.
The funniest thing is they sent Goblin back. He probably appeared right before the glider stabs him so he was like, "OH" and then dies.
Yup. I've said that since the movie came out. Same with dock ock. Hes just going to be sent back to the moment he drowns in the river. 😆 smh
How did you calculate the probability on that?
Oh, you didn't?
Well then.
The Goblin controlled the glider. Osborne simply wouldn't push the button
@@TheMeefive what if the goblin already pushed the button and it's like a spawn kill
@bgschannel9357 Just because the villains were pulled from the moment just before they died, doesn't mean they will reappear in those moments. The way the multiverse is said to operate is that any change automatically opens an alternate timeline. In their original timelines they still died. Who knows what happens in the new timelines?
The scene of them at the statue of liberty would've held more value if they had discussed some stories that we never saw in the movies. Like, Toby fighting a mutated rhino or Andrew running into Mary Jane, maybe even fighting Carnage. Stuff that tell us what they've been up to after the movies ended instead of just mentioning stuff we already saw.
not a good take. What is the point of that at all? It makes people wish for something that can never come back.
@RecordToDeathToBoredom It then acts as something more than just fan service like "Ahh haha I remember this", we get some closure and insight of what became of our heros after we last saw them
@@MyName-bw1kz I don't remember anything about Toby fighting a mutated Rhino bro. That's why I'm asking why you acting like something was there when it wasn't.
In the first place, they already talk about what they've been doing. Like Toby being steady with Mary Jane.
@@RecordToDeathToBoredom Ignore him. Every time someone releases a "popular movie actually sucks" video, all the hater start pouring in.
@@MyName-bw1kz No, the other guy is right. It just makes people want to see something that will never happen.
Them acknowledging past movies tells you, the viewer, that the people who made this movie are fans just like you. It's not some corporate assclown who doesn't give a shit about the storytelling medium. Despite the fact that the Tobey Trilogy is over and there's no third Andrew Garfield movies, they still happened in the multiverse somewhere.
i.e: they were not a waste of your time.
Worldofgeekdom said it best. This movie was designed to be a stadium like event.
Meaning it needs an audience to react to the big moments.
Best example is andrew garfield first appearing. The way he takes off his mask and it takes a moment for him to talk. That was intentionally placed there so that the audience in theaters would have their moment to scream. Plenty of moments like that in the movie and if you watch it alone. Those moments are a bit awkward
Fuckk your screams. Respect the other movie goers, please. No wait, you're probably American so you just yell and clap like a cuntard the whole movie.
3000% like watching a sitcom with no laugh track
As a wise man said, theme parks
But then if there wasn't a pause everyone would complain they couldn't hear the dialogue. It's fine.
@unropednope4644 i never said it was a wrong choice. Based on the box office numbers the movie was near perfect. Unfortunately, it's just not a movie that will age well in multiple viewings
Can you imagine how epic would have been the press for this movie had it not been lockdown times? All three Spidey actors making appearances and doing talk shows together? It would have been so good.
Would’ve been nuts
They wouldn't have done interviews together because they wanted to keep their inclusion a secret. Even when footage was leaked, Andrew and Toby were still denying being in the movie.
@@MDCxThePG It was right after pandemic so I dont know what the f you on about.
The entire movie is an entire plothole after you realize Harvard listened to Alex Jones instead of actual superheroes
😂
You would be surprised how much easier it is to get people to hate something rather than like it.
😂😂😂
In all fairness this happens irl. If someone is accused of something but proven innocent, colleges don't want that kind of smoke and its easy to just deny them.
Do you know what goes down on Twitter?
This actually a thing that happens
Theres all these awkward silences that were clearly scream points for the audience. And marvel fans will still insist these arent theme parks like scorsese said lol
Who is "scorsese" is he a famous leaker?
@@judgecrow5128he directed no mercy in mexico you should look it up
@@judgecrow5128 bro hahahahahahhaha
@@jamesduffy7549 just cuz ppl get hyped for something, it doesn’t make it a lesser form of cinema or whatever lol
He was in Shark Tale, does his opinion really matter?
(This is a joke)
I've said from day 1. Dr. Strange shouldn't have been in the movie. It should have been Ant Man. A quantum rift in the multiverse would have been much better than "oops I didn't mean to do that." From Dr Strange
Interesting point but I think Dr strange was in to have a bit of a mentor like relationship and maybe antman wasn't the proper character since Spidey is maybe more mature than him but I only saw the first antman so maybe he had more growth in that regard
Ya I love this movie and Dr strange , but I actually fully agree with your point here
@@jacobwest7 We've had enough mentors for pete lmao, I think it'd be more fun with Ant-man being sort of like a big bro or cousin type of guy who's got some wisdom but also not overly stern
apparently, from what I've heard, it was supposed to be American Chavez. As this film was originally slated to come out after DSMOM
@@jacobwest7 He already had Tony as a mentor. He didn't really need a new one. That being said, Scott is a father that wasn't able to be there for his daughter. They could have easily leaned into that and made him a fatherly figure for Peter. That would have actually been more natural than a middle aged bachelor.
So basically, all the Spiderman stuff was great, all the MCU mumbo jumbo sucked.
Which parts were the MCU mumbo jumbo?
All the Dr. Strange forgetme spell stuff.
Yup
I was watching the film for the first time and it was so obvious that this is just a cameo cashgrab. I mean every 5 seconds a character does something or says something to remind you what happend in the old days. For me it was so cringe hearing epic and dramatic lines from my favorite superhero copied and pasted for the sake of a cameo. I think they messed really up with this one. I like the idea of bringing back the old spideys. In theory it should be cool but in reality you can hear the producers saying while you watch the film: "Here, do you remember? We brought this and that and this back! Epic isn't it? ;-) " totally unimmersive experience. Not to mention, that the whole film makes no sense.
@@makiimarkyea fr
Here's the problem with a lot of modern movies (not just this one).
They are being specifically made for the theater experience. They are made to be reacted to, appluded at, and cheered at for that group experience in the theater.
When you watch the movie at home, all of that is gone and the cracks and mistakes are a lot more noticeable.
I agree completely. That’s how it was for me with the Disney Star Wars movies
It's all about that big opening weekend at the box office and word of mouth, yes. No-one at the big Hollywood studios cares about making something good. They just want to make back the movie's unreasonably large budget as quickly as possible. +sigh+
@@samtaholo Everyone complains about it but everyone still watches all these movies...
It's the consumers' fault if and when shit is produced. They eat it up.
Theme parks
Makes sense, since now these movies make most of their money in theaters. With no physical media release like back in the day to make even more money once it leaves and no PPV and everything going to streaming once out of theaters, they gotta pretty much make these movies bigger theater experiences to make the bulk of their money in guessing. I'm not sure how much the studio would get paid or how the pay system would work if this movie went to Disney Plus
I still absolutely HATE about the writing in this movie is how Tobey says "He died in my arms, after he tried to kill me"
It's such a slap in the face and ruins Harry's death in SM3
He died saving Peter's life, Peter would never then start reminding people that Harry tried to kill him at one point. Just horrible writing to make a joke that wasn't even funny...
I honestly thought that scene was kinda funny but I understand your point as it does make harry the butt of a joke but for me since it was a small line it didn’t really bother me all that much, I kinda took it as a neat nod to spiderman 3
I agree, but I didn't find _anything_ Ned did or said funny in this movie. I mean, "cure that ass"? Bleh.
@@samtaholo Ned's one of the biggest reasons I don't like these movies.
that whole thing was likely an attempt of foreshadowing a villain ned story
@@sithlordmikeyp Legit. One of the worst moments in the MCU was in Homecoming where he gets caught in the library and just blurts out "wAtChInG pOrn". So distracting to include a line like that in a Spider-Man movie
Only thing i hated was how the other spidermans came in anticlimactic. Just a random portal and nothing else
They probably did that in order to keep the surprise
But this is what I loved about it. They didn't follow the movie cliche where Toms Spiderman is in trouble, almost being killed by one of the villains, and then out of nowhere another spiderman comes in to save the day. No. Instead they just stumbled in through those portals. And that kind of made it feel real to me. Like the reaction with Tobey getting in and saying "Hi" was so in character for his Peter Parker.
@@SpellracecarBackwards Plus it was important to have the other 2 Spidermen come in at Tom's Spiderman's worst moment. That moment they all have when they all first meet is a great scene.
For me, it was how the returning roles were quoting/referencing themselves like repeating catchphrases. Almost like a “remember that thing for that movie? We referenced it!” 🤦♂️
i don't think we needed another "Endgame Portals" moment, especially not this soon after endgame. personally i am okay with it
I agree same with DP and Wolverine. These movies are epic on the first watch for the cameos but not nearly as good on multiple rewatches.
yes
DP&W is actually pretty mid even at first watch
@@berenerchamion4998 yeah I liked it but then I was like ‘wait these villains suck’ and people try to make excuses saying they aren’t the focus or ‘but that’s cuz it’s Deadpool’ that isn’t a reasonable excuse. Deadpool 1&2 had better written antagonists
@berenerchamion4998 the hype was mainly seeing wolverine back and finally wearing the comic costume
The real hype was not watching a totally shit MCU movie! Just barely shit 😂 rock on you guys 🤘
Spectacle over storytelling is exactly what the MCU has been doing since Endgame.
They rather have fan service and shock value over good storytelling especially DP&Wolverine where its like a one-time Rollercoaster ride and if you rewatch it you'll notice more plot holes
2:52 to be fair to them, the director said behind the scenes that that the reason the spell was able to break through the multiverse was because of the Damage already done to the multiverse in Loki season 1. While it would've been cool to reference this in some way it's not cool that fans have to go digging for answers after watching the movie .
...and that is the story/plot structure loss between the paper print creation and a video of a story.
the scene where they are waiting and joking around still one of my favorite scenes out the movie bc we alrdy had the super serious death talk scene and seeing the spider-men goof while waiting for the villains is something i could see a group of spidermen doing in comics
I was kinda baffled at the No Way Home reception. Ending the second movie with him revealing his identity as Peter Parker - following in the footsteps of one of the worst stories in Marvel comics history - never made sense to me, but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Then the 3rd movie came out and it was all a nostalgia cash grab multiverse story and I'm wondering why everyone is in love with it. And now they're making the 4th movie a multiverse story, too?? Marvel studios has so many Spiderman stories to choose from, but they're creatively bankrupt.
This reminds me of how people initially felt about The Force Awakens.
in my opinion, the force awakens is the best of the sequel trilogy. everything else after that just fell so short (Rogue One is easily the best SW film since ROTS tho)
@@oi7917Doesn't mean much. The whole trilogy is shite.
"They didn't fuck it up! WOOOO" .... "still, could be better 🧐"
@@oi7917 I'm not criticizing the Force Awakens. I just realize like Far From Home it was more well received when it first came out due to nostalgia.
I had fun in the theatre but when I left it I started to realise just how derivative it was
bro... the final spell was probably one of my least favorite scenes in no way home
I need the full wiki on how stranges spell is supposed to work because the villains who didn’t know Peter was Spider-Man still appeared
They all knew him.
@ how ? Once u remove the plot armor
@@grabble7605 Show me the scene of Amazing Spider-Man 2 where Electro learns that Peter is Spider-Man.
@@grabble7605Max never learned Spider-Man's identity. That's even referenced in No Way Home when Electro says that he thought Peter would be Black - he would have known that if he learned Spidey's identity.
@@TheAzulmagia he thought he was black
9:27 Yeah, that’s one thing I didn’t like about this movie on the first viewing. It’s that the MCU Spider-Man basically took three movies to do what the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man did in the first one 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, but here’s the thing about the comics…it took years to get to where the Tobey version was. The MCU took the slow path to get to what most people consider to be quintessential Spider Man
Rami fan rider 😂
I liked how electrode came back as jaime fox instead of max. 🤦🏾♂️
I was expecting him to come back as Voltorb.
The character was changed dramatically, but I can't say I miss the old Electro.
😂
I went to Houston hot chicken in TEMPE,ARIZONA and the cashier told me he met Jaime fox when Jaime came in an ordered a chicken sandwich and fries and ate it outside the restaurant in his Lamborghini uris ! The cashier even showed the picture of Jaime fox at the front counter of the restaurant!
Just “electro”.
My dad had a self-imposed rule related to this: never rewatch a movie until you've forgotten it.
Ever since I watched it I saw it as nothing but a nostalgia cashgrab with the most prodictable plot ever. "We have Into the Spider-Verse at home"
Exactly. Felt the same way when I saw it in theaters
@SamC_182 Yeah and I'm a big Spider-Man fan too but I just couldn't unsee what the directors were trying to accomplish there. You have to be that one pointing wojak in order to enjoy the movie
Genuinely
Into the spider verse sucks it’s a cheap knock off of real spiderman
@Kodick.edits1 Isn't Peter in this movie more comic book accurate than any other live action Peter?
Having supervillains in a condo was ridiculous. He didn’t think what could go wrong if they all just go crazy, just ignoring the fact that they all hate him. To top it off aunt may was just hanging around with green goblin and friends.
Right. Like couldn't they have done that somewhere else? Like the place Dr. Strange had them all locked up?
I think you guys need to do a rewatch. It was in fact in Happy's condo here Stark's magic 3d printer was located (the thing they need to make the evil-inhibitor for all the baddies).
@NingjaTerdo Mistype thanks
@@NingjaTerdoyes and that makes Peter even dumbest, why the fuck you bring your aunt with a bunch of super villains in the first place? Why bring a guy who can suck electricity off to a place where there's a big source of it?
@@NingjaTerdo I couldn't care less that he takes them with him because it makes for fun moments, but if I was gonna be cynical and serious about this movie then I'd suggest that he should have left the supervillains in the basement and worked on the cures by himself
I will always maintain that this should have been a 2 parter. First movie give the Peter clearing his name courtroom drama stuff some time to breathe, slowly build the threat of the villains coming through, and end it with the Andrew and Tobey reveal. Part 2 start it from the POVs of Andrew and Tobey in their universes before they get pulled through, and give them more of their own character arcs
The "My Back" callback scene, I feel, is Tom Holland's Spider-Man coping with the loss with humor and witty banter like always. Tobey and Andrew, then match his mood because that's kinda how they all dealt with it later on and the realized that sometimes the order gets shifted. Grief is a curious thing that registers differently in different people, plus, Tom's still a kid at this point, or at least he's characterized as such. It's like two grown-Ups playing games with a kid to keep his mind off of things. At least that's my headcanon.
Imagine you didn’t watch or even know about the other Spider-Man movies and you watch no way home with all these random villain and spidermen you never seen before. Now the hype around the movie is completely dead and it’s suddenly not as good anymore
Just like watching Deadpool v Wolverine, and not knowing nothing about the FOX universe
Not really tbh as these villas are from the comics, you would just have to look at it as a live action spiderverse film
@@OneAtFaultMedia these versions of those vilains from the comics are specifically from movies from the past. the movie is pretty tied to the nostalgia you are suppose to feel from seing them again so even if you could just google their names you are not gonna feel the impact of them being present especially if you didn't grow up with those movies.
@malikpierre-louis3343 That is true, but taking off the nostalgia glasses is not really a bad film either. It could just be looked upon as other variants . Maybe that's not the best argument, but I have thought about it, and mainly what I could compare it to is the animated series multiverse episode. But yeah, honestly, this movie was obviously made for nostalgia as well as if it wasn't it would be played upon entirely, but that's just my 2 cents, mainly the whole story of this being Tom's "origin" and start as Spiderman in terms of coming into his own and not relying on any other superhero is why I put this movie in a high regard in terms of story as well, well that's TBD cuz if they fumble the next one then this movies pretty much gonna stay in the disappointing category with the other mcu spiderman films.
This could just be me, but I watched Deadpool & Wolverine barely having seen any of the Fox movies and certainly not caring enough about them to know any of the cameos, and the movie was still really fun for me, whereas No Way Home doesn’t hold up for me at all on rewatch even as a massive Spider-Man fan. The Deadpool movies have always been referential and I personally never had to “get” every single one of the jokes to enjoy them. That’s just me though!
Deadpool & wolverine is gonna be the same
Wesley Snipes was the best part and he got too little screen time.
As much as I enjoyed the film, it had many retcons and plots holes that suggested the writers didn’t actually rewatch the other movies, and were going purely off of someone’s memory from years ago. For instance, forgetting that Dr Octavius already redeemed himself, or that both Flint and Dr Connors redeemed themselves AND DIDN’T DIE. It doesn’t take long to binge those five movies. It’s not a challenge to just do your homework.
Then the dialogue that were clearly references after references, which is just lazy pandering. It was like Sidious saying “The Dark Side is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be… unnatural.” These characters are often written to be fairly realistic to their worlds, and don’t have catch phrases like Saturday morning cartoons, so whenever they bring back an old character or actor, having them repeat quotes in that way feels unnatural and obnoxiously forced.
I enjoyed the film, and it’s fun to rewatch for a fix of seeing so many iconic roles brought back, or to watch during a Spider-Man binge, but man it’s got serious flaws!
Seemingly everybody gets the ending to this movie wrong and it was, even on first viewing, the biggest letdown of the entire film, almost ruining the whole thing for me. Peter's quote-unquote sacrifice at the end is NOT heroic or selfless in the way people claim it is and is definitely NOT what the common conception of Peter Parker would or should do. Remember the ending to that wonderful movie called Spider-Man 2? Remember what MJ's response to Peter was when he says they can't be together because it would put her in danger? "Can't you respect me enough to let me make my own decision?...It's wrong that we should only be half-alive, half of ourselves".
Both MJ and Ned made him promise to find them and tell them the truth so that they wouldn't have to forget everything that they had been through...because they valued that part of their lives EVEN THOUGH it put them in danger. They CHOSE love and friendship knowing the risks. But Peter decides that he can't handle the thought of something happening to them, so he instead chooses to break a promise and discard not just his own bonds but theirs and their histories as well...all so that he can attempt to be free of any sense of responsibility or guilt of being close to them (which wouldn't work anyway, since Peter still remembers their past). Also, doesn't Ned deserve to know that maybe he has a talent for sorcery? That might be a kind of important thing he has a right to know about and decide for himself what to do with.
Yeah, the very ending of this movie bombed REALLY hard for me and that was unfortunate because most of the rest of it was quite enjoyable. It struck me as the MCU equivalent of "One More Day", where it was just an excuse to be lazy and reset established character arcs to free future script from, you know, actually having to deal with the existence of past movies.
Don't worry. In typical MCU fashion, they will undermine and erase that "sacrifice" and Peter will end up telling Ned and MJ everything in the next film.
@@itsalwayssomething7490leading to one of them dying or changing for the worse.
@@iUsedToBeAMusician I saw people speculating Ned becoming hobgoblin back when No Way Home released bc the goblin mask was left on that trash can
while ur not wrong, i disagree about it being a flaw with the movie (u don’t have to agree with me tho) bc while pete’s sacrifice at the end is selfish, it does make sense for him to make that decision bc him letting ppl in his life know he’s spider man has put them in jeopardy so as a result, he’s probably not gonna get close to anyone once we see him in spider man 4 bc of his sense of responsibility (which was shown when he almost tried to reconnect with mj at the end of nwh). this decision opens up an opportunity for character growth in the next trilogy where pete has to learn to let ppl get close to him again (similar to daredevil’s character arc in daredevil s3).
@@tasm2016 You're right. If that moment is used as a mistake that Peter learns from in the next movie, then there can be some retroactive value to it. My main contention is that most viewers I've seen speak on the ending treat it as if Peter made some kind of amazing heroic gesture here when, on closer inspection, it really isn't the noble act those people think it is. At the end of the day, Peter a) broke a deeply personal promise to his best friends, b) denied them the right to choose their own path in life and c) denied them the right to know the truth about their past. Heroic? Not exactly.
Fanservice alone don't make a classic
7:15
Going through lose, the tone felt real. I’ve personally lost parents. It’s not all down, it’s not all up, it’s a roller coaster. If people were just sad all the time after death, they’d kill themselves. I’m talking like crippling crying depression. It’s up and down. So the few moments of talking, even after her death, it did make sense. To me.
9:07 Not to mention, it would have been way easier to make everyone forget Spider-man. Only thing Holland would need to do the next day is go stop some crime and people would have been "Hey look, a new super hero, it's the 351th this week".
Also... do not watch or think about any of the timing of the older films for the vilains...
Because of the actors age difference?
@ no more of where they stood as characters in their respective films
@@markwrath
Yeah complete and utter character assassinations all the way.
These MCU/ Disney universe movies can't make characters for shh and they go and have to ruin old and established characters. They ruin everything.
@@ElvisMenezes1 I’ll give you an exemple. Doc Oc was not trying to kill tobey in the second movie. He was redeeming himself moments before dying, for the movies plot they ignore that so he is still trying to kill a Spiderman. Then they cured him by disabling the arms, removing the verbal exchange we once had
@@markwrath to be fair when he first learned it is peter in Spiderman 2 he still was choking him until peter verbally convinced him to do the right thing. They are supposed to be taken from that world at the time they know peter parker is spiderman. At least I think that is what they were going for. I think Goblin was taken before the final fight of Spiderman 1. I don't think the movie was perfect or anything though. There is also a line when we first see doc in no way home where he mentions that he was choking spiderman and then he was transported to other universe.
BRO THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT DEAPOOL & WOLVERINE.. omgggggg. soo many plot holes n ppl just praising it cuz there excited to see reynolds and jackman on the big screen in the suits. brushing allll the flaws under the rug.
tbf ryan reynolds did state on record that dp&w's plot was there purely to push the action forwards, sometimes it's okay to have a popcorn flick and if there's any movie that is good to be one, it's that one. it did what i've been waiting on for years, i didn't need it to have interstellar-levels of writing
It's still a fun movie.
I think dp&w would be be an exception to this since it's not really supposed to make a whole lot of sense and is a combination of a dumb action movie, a movie trying to fit into a universe that is failing, and being a critique of that universe in a non-serious but also kinda serious way.
What plot holes?
@Nothngtoseehere > makes an outrageous claim
> doesn't give any evidence to back it up
Another problem with the final spell, everyone can forget all they want, but the spell doesn't extend to the Internet and Peter was already outed to the world at that point.
It actually did. The MCU world has NO knowledge of Peter Parker but they do remember a Spider-Man
@jaedynstjuste1708 but there are recordings of Spider-Man being outed as Peter.
@05dturner yea you're absolutely right but why didn't MJ immediately recognize Peter when he walked in the coffee shop. Now i know the MCU isn't perfect or even good but this is the Spider-Man everyone wanted and now we have it. A regular kid with real world problems who just so happens to be a Genetically Modified Superhuman. No Iron Man. No Aunt May. Now we have to see what the 4th movie brings us to see if the MCU really will lean into the true essence of Spider-Man not Peter Parker.
Movies these days, especially marvel movies, are literally just designed for that first watch. It's shock value that they are aiming for. The issue is that shock value only really hits well the first time, and perhaps one more time. But once you know everything that's going to happen, you no longer get shocked or surprised, and when that is the entire premise that movie is built around, it crumbles.
It’s overrated. Got bored halfway, too much talking, not enough action.
Nighttime final should have been daytime.
How Can You watch the same movie over and over. And not get bored??
Like Wtf...
Ask that to the Star Wars community, or hell, any movie community
When I was a child, I watched Finding Nemo over and over again, and enjoyed it every time.......
@@redscyther7725 that's because you were a child.
As a kid I also watched Jurassic Park over and over...
But after growing up I can't re-watch it every few days.
True, true. Nowadays I find myself not even being able to watch multiple different movies within a couple of days unless my dad sets it up.
Crazy how people can’t realize the first time around 🙄
The movie is also just one giant plot hole with smaller plot holes sprinkled in, off top of my head doc ock knowing green goblin is Norman osbourne made no sense.
It’s a total Covid movie as well. You can see the sets didn’t have many people on it
My problem with the spell they use to make people forget Peter Parker is that it means Tom fucked over every Spider-Man in the multiverse. Because everyone that knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man were being briught into the MCU world, EVERYONE would have to forget in order for that to stop. He fucked over Andrew and Tobey, too.
I've always believed Endgame and Ragnarok were the worst Marvel movies - partly because they laid the foundation for what would eventually sink the MCU. Out of place, forced humor from characters who should never be used as comic relief in Ragnarok and unnecessary fan service covering a lazy plot in Endgame.
Since then it seems that's all the MCU has been lazy writing and execution with bad jokes and fan service to try to cover things up
Disney's Ham Fisted Humor at work. I hate it. One of the first scenes in the SW Sequel #1 was ruined by "So, how does this work? Do I talk, do you talk?" from Poe when facing Ren after being captured. Totally unnecessary. My husband actually loathes such attempts at "humor" in such out of place ways. Like, it would work if the movies were COMEDY BASED but these aren't that, so it just doesn't work at all.
@@Sphendrana i hate how allergic hollywood is to genuine storytelling now. cant have a damn story element without at least 58 rick and morty level references talking about how stupid it is. its a big problem with this generation of media in general; people are too adverse to being genuine!
People are cringe, I saw the movie for what it was on the first viewing. I enjoyed it, but it was a gimmick and I never felt the need to discuss it afterwards or rewatch it. It's a decent marvel movie in the post Endgame era.
Not only does the final spell not make sense, but strange hesitates? In the beginning, he was like yup, everyone will forget you, no big deal, but at the end, he sounds sad about it. And this is after peter had spent half of the movie fucking with him. Also, Electro being there makes no sense. I like they redid his character since he was basically 3 different people in ASM2 but those enemies were there specifically cause they knew who Spider-man was, he didnt. Then at the end they all just get sent back to die anyway, making the entire movie kinda pointless. Though supposedly this was being written on the fly since they didnt even know which actors they could actually get back so it kinda makes sense that its a bit of a mess.
Electro being there makes sense.
@@grabble7605Actually no
No Way Home is definitely one of those movies where you go to watch it once and never again.
5:38- then you question why are they willingly walking through a portal and, deciding to stick around? Weren’t they attending to more important matters in their own universe in that instant?
rip etika
they were already in the mcu, same thing as the villains
No Way Home is Fan Service: The Movie and I'm all here for it.
Wait till Secret Wars
I've always hated it since the first watch.
For one:
There was no point of Aunt May dying. It was just for fan service so nerds could praise the movie because Peter "lost his Uncle Ben figure" and has something to sob to Tobey and Andrew's spidermen about.
It also really pisses me off that Aunt May said "With great power comes great responsibility" right before she died. There is absolutely no reason for her to say that other than fan service. It feels very forced, and extremely out of place.
tell you what would have been better: Tony Stark should have said that to Peter right before he died. It would have made so much more sense if iron man said it. Because Tony Stark has great power as a billionare iron man, and with that power comes the responsibility of him helping people, therefore it would have been better and made A LOT more sense if Tony said to Peter "With great power comes great responsibilty". Why on Earth would Aunt May say it?
Plus Tony Stark was Peter's Uncle Ben figure
Ima be real end game barley holds up
Lmao Tom holland spider man kinda savage as hell for trying to brute force the glider cause it 100% would have just stabbed Tobey spider man 😂 8:22
Its a trick, that worked, the film is tricking you into enjoyment by having great nostalgia bait and a big reference fest. U enjoy these things even if you dont with heinsight. The trick worked, but over time, you see through the quick rushes and notice there's not much left without them.
Wait what? Today it's 22 January 2025. The movie was released in 17 December 2021. I remember going to watch the movie on the first day itself just for Tobey Maguire. It's been that long? Seems like it's been a Decade.
I agree, that was my first reaction actually. Its just ridden with cameos and stuff. Like there is no space OTHER than cameos and references to older movies (or atleast some nostalgic moments) which matter much
5:00 I only wish this arc had anything to do with villains that actually torment Holland's spiderman, and not, oh I don't know, some random jackhole who's another person's nemesis.
This is also how I feel about Deadpool and Wolverine. Sutton theaters in really enjoyed it then saw it on Disney plus and stopped halfway through I just found it too boring
The first Deadpool is still the best one for me. 3 isn't as bad as 2. But it isn't good by any means
I had one of the best naps of the decade trying to rewatch D&W, the scenes with multiple Wolverines are really cool though
My goodness. You people have got to be the worst movie audiences I've heard about
Maturing and realising it was hyped due to probably nostalgia because rewatching this actually left me with actual questions than answer for example on why sandman was against the spiders even tho he wanted to go home, and another thing is the audience applause breaks is unbearable specially when im rewatching it by myself, like its so awkward 😂
The Spiders wouldn't push the button. Sandman figured his only way ho.e was either to get the device himself or find some other way.
It was really cool that it happened at all but it’s barely even a movie
0:45 Smh, I thought I somehow clicked on the speed increase button 🤦🏾♂️ had me stressed for a second
Well, here's the thing this movie isn't really meant to be rewatched multiple times. I haven't watched No Way Home since it was in theaters. But I get the sentiment Dawn of the Dead is a comedy movie to me now after seeing it so many times. I also went through the same thing with Captain America Civil War. You can only get excited so much so many times.
I think there's an art to watching something the first time, but I think there's also an art to rewatching something and seeing if it holds up (which usually comes down to the quality of the movie, and how well it's constructed)
every movie is meant to be rewatched, but this movie was clearly meant to be watched with an audience lol
Imagine watching this as your first Spider-Man and MCU film. You'd be so confused.
And might be an unpopular opinion, but with Zendaya, never truly felt like Mary Jane to me the way she feels in the comics or even the original Raimi's trilogy.
Well, Zendaya has never played Mary Jane so...Yeah, duh.
Also an average actress.
@@twostep919 very average. In dune theres a part where shes walking down the cliff face and she isnt even looking where she is walking and she makes a random glance upwards. its really jarring. The director shoulda called cut but probably didnt cause of her fame.
One moment that actually gets better on a rewatch is Garfield-Spidey mentioning that he "stopped pulling his punches" after Gwen died. In the moment you might not realize it; but then later you stop and think about it and remember how strong Spider-Man is, and how terrifying him doing that would be.
Garfield-Spidey probably killed a few people.
I love every scene with Willem Dafoe and the scenes with the three Spideys together. The films rewatchability comes from that and nothing else.
Thump ... Thump ... Thump ..."Hello Peter" Chills every time.
when I saw Ton Holland renting an apartment my first though was "don't you need documents for that? Does he still have an id registered?"
even when it first came out i expected more from it but the movie just feels flat
Didn't really like it that much my first watch. Second watch couldn't even finish.
I find it almost unwatchable now.
Wasn’t struck on it from the get go
this is a great way to really know if a movie is great. can you rewatch it over and over. i have movies i can see a million times and they never get old. heat, godfather, apocalypse now, basically any scorsese film. a lot of the best films are usually flying right under the radar. we still have movies like that they just dont make spider-man money.
0:38 This is how I feel about Deadpool and Wolverine
The second time did not hit at all
Yeah my first time watching it after all the hype and the movie makes zero since.
Yeah was funny but not a great movie. Missing the deadpool feel can tell disney edited the shit out of them
I haven't watched it yet but I loved Logan, like many of us, so I was confused as to why this was happening. Perhaps it's in the comics as well or some sort of multiverse thing that Wolverine can come, but how is it Deadpool out of all of them? 😮
I was not at all impressed by Deadpool and Wolverine 😕
Great points overall. I rewatched No Way Home for the first time pretty recently, and I agree with pretty much everything here. The first “half” (doesn’t feel like half, feels like more) before Toby and Andrew show up is slow and boring. Every part with Doctor strange involved doesn’t make sense. The Sorcerer Supreme doesn’t think to explain the full spell and its function? Then he can’t manage Peter’s additions to the spell? Then he can’t “contain” the spell? And this spell somehow makes multiple dimensions combine, but only like 3 people from each dimension cross over? And then he gets instantly stopped by Spiderman? And then he disappears until the very end of the movie and can magically fix the spell?
Like it literally goes on that much in your head how bad the overall story is when you aren’t being wowed by nostalgia. But man Toby and Andrew steal the show, and pretty much all of the good parts left are focused on them. Like you mentioned their personal redemption, their big brother feel of helping Tom, and their empathy for his pain. Not even just the serious and good story bits either, all of the comedy and everything they just dominate the best parts of this movie. It really made me wish that they both got better endings to their arcs. Toby with Spiderman 3 being a huge mess that ruined his version and career as the character, and Andrew getting stonewalled by a wacky, weird mess with Amazing Spiderman 2. They both were really good in their own ways, and Tom’s Spiderman just doesn’t stand up sadly. It’s like he just didn’t have a specific persona or design, he’s like Andrew’s Peter in that he’s clearly not a nerdy guy, but he’s not that funny or quippy. He has more physicality like Toby, but he doesn’t play the part of a nerdy guy. Like he just doesn’t have a strength, and his “being a super genius” never exists and when it does it’s leaning fully on another character to work, so it doesn’t feel like he’s the genius.
I’m sorry but after they threw Dock out of the window, made fun of his powers and his name and made tentacle jokes of him,
and took him out of the movie for a good 40 minutes, I’m sorry you only get one chance only to revisit a character like him,
and THAT’S WHAT YOU DID WITH HIM!? I never liked this movie since I first watched it. It has way too many flaws. 😒
Really good video. I'm glad I my good memories of the lovie weren't ruined like I thought by the video's title but the points about general MCU stigmas/tropes felt generally validated and appreciated
@@enderprefect342 appreciate it
These movies lack soul. Critics have been saying it the whole time, not that anyone listens anymore. But, I mean, name the last MCU film whose director you can name off the top of your head because it was unique or memorable. Joss Whedon's Avengers? Jon Favreau's Iron man 1 and 2? While it was still a Paramount thing? Perhaps Shane Black's joyless Iron Man 3?
Listening to the fans isn't a better idea than letting the studios work their magic. It's specifically when execs set restrictions for production that things get dumb. It's only been extra obvious as of late because people have been rewatching "what used to be" and comparing it to what came before and the shit we've gotten since. But the problem is an overabundance of technique, just like how so many people trying to make it on social media all enthusiastically tell viewers to sub, ring the bell, smash that like button, et cetera. It's effective, not memorable or meaningful.
"Listening to the fans isn't a better idea than letting the studios work their magic."
The entire Sonic trilogy would like a word.
I couldn't name any of the directors anyway except Joss and only because he was heavily involved in the scripts and it's SO FUCKING OBVIOUS with every other line a quip.
And Iron Man 2 is just bad.
I don't pay attention to director's names.
My headcanon for why Dr. Strange didn't go over the details of the spell he was going to cast with Peter was because he had fought alongside and trusted Peter. He assumed Peter had maturely, carefully thought it over like an experienced, battle-hardened competent adult coworker, since he had helped fight the presumed strongest being in the universe and had helped save the Earth plus half the universe.
Strange even later says after casting the spell: "You know, after everything we’ve been through together, somehow I always forget you’re...you’re just a kid."
The movie IS great. Even after all that excitement for returning characters, it still holds up as it treat those characters with love and care, it improves a story of Tom's Spidey and leads to a very satisfying ending (which, I hope, they won't waste).
Even to this day, I think No Way Home is the ONLY MCU movie that gets the fanservice and cameos right. Even Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't as good at it. It's a shame that due to the success of the movie, the film makers (not just MCU and not just superhero) took all WRONG lessons from it...
My biggest gripe is how long it took people to recognize this. I literally walked out of the movie theater questioning why the entire movie had to even take place in the first place... The entire plot was beyond dumb...
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Basically my entire memory of the movie is "Peter wants people to forget him, Strange basically puts up zero resistance, provides zero warning, and casts a crazy spell to make that happen, which backfires in a way he claims he knew could happen." I remember my brain just kinda shutting down after that. If the entire conflict of the movie is based around that... it's not a film worth giving a shit about.
As a huge Tobey and Garfield fan I was pretty disappointed the first time around.
Besides all the potholes and character assassinations, it was just typical MCU bad dialogue and painfully unfunny jokes.
These movies aren't sincere and all the Tom Holland films felt like this.
They can't have a single second of an emotional moment before they ruin it with garbage joke and a wink to the camera. Like get outta here man, bunch of viewer intelligence insulting nonsense, as always with Disney.
I like superhero movies way better when there wasn't all this multiverse nonsense with a gazillion superheroes
Honestly just shut up no way home is amazing no one was character assasinated
@Thedarkknight27474
Ignorance is bliss. Gotta not use the brains, gotta obey the Disney overlords, gotta be entertained and not question anything. 🤡
Or you can look up why the movie is heavily criticised. Or ask. But no people with a different opinion should just "shut up" lmao
@@yipperdeyip no way home is still loved today
"If everyone's super, no one is" kinda hard to view a superhero as extraordinary when all the other characters are superheros too, making them, well, ordinary
But the problem is, even if he helps the villains do better or be better, they still will die if they're put back where they would be.
Green Goblin being cured still results in Norman Osborne going back and being stabbed by the glider and dying. He'll just bleed out with a sound mind now.
Ngl when people keep saying fan service nostalgia cashgrab thing i think some of yall forget what multiverse is and what is the content of Mcu right now like we are litteraly in the "Multiverse saga" not some infinity saga moment
THANK YOU
even then they could use other actors if they actually want to do multiverse stuff, it doesn’t have to rely on old actors or the same actor copy pasted and recolored, like u said it’s a MULTIVERSE SAGA, there’s many alternatives but they use the old instead of other things we haven’t seen
doesn't mean they can't try and make it good.
@@idkanymorelmao271
Maybe becuase the older actors should be recognized by today’s generation since they’v been forgotten or never even heard of at this point ? Nothing wrong with giving them some love and fan service to the people that made marvel what it is today
@ i get that, trust me, i loved seeing Tobey back on screen, but it’s just not really multiverse ig, especially when the multiverse it’s just the same actor recolored, yes in comics the characters look the same sometimes, but since the mcu is different they could have done better things with it, just feels like wasted potential to me, i will say i am glad the old actors can shine again with their versions, but we also need newer takes on a character that doesn’t just use the same old actors we grew up on yk? even it out in some sorta way without the current character trying to do so for the lack of other type of variants, idk man i’m just disappointed with the multiverse saga
As a long-time fan of the Spider-Man franchise, I have always appreciated the character dynamics and relationships that are portrayed on screen. However, in this latest installment, I was quite taken aback when the character referred to Aunt May simply as "May." This casual reference felt out of character and undermined the depth of their relationship. It is a small detail, but one that I believe holds significant weight in maintaining the integrity of the story and its characters.
There are so many Marvel films and they’re all incredibly popular, so in a way they’ve defined mainstream cinema for the past decade and a half. And yet, when I turned 18 and watched Infinity War, it became apparent to me that I couldn’t watch these films anymore.
I was going through my journey through cinema, and Marvel films just don’t offer much. They’re formulaic, narratively predictable, plot-heavy/story-light, big films. This doesn’t inherently make them bad, but once you’ve seen a few you’re not going get anything radically different.
The characters never feel like characters but an outline of one. The films have lots of conflict, and yet little drama, an odd juxtaposition. The filmmaking is genuinely poor, terrible lighting, lack of blocking, uncanny visual effects, plain and unadventurous. No auteurs operate Marvel films, and no Marvel film feels like a personally connected to the person who made them. It’s rigidly corporate, audience-tested, unintellectual products labelled as “films”.
Artistically, these films hold no value. They exploit their audience by rehashing them with familiarity and nostalgia in the hopes to win crowds over without ever having to challenge them. They are safe films; never commenting or tackling the human condition, rather they provide nothing but pure escapism as the masses continue to plunge into increasing economic hardships and sociopolitical instability. I can’t enjoy these films, there’s no filmic exhibitionism to appreciate or meaning to dissect. I am disconnected from Marvel, and in a way I’ve felt disconnected from mainstream cinema as a result. I could not be paid to watch this film. Why am I writing this?
I mean, going into a comic book film expecting The Sopranos or The Godfather is weird, these films are supposed to be theatrical rides. Its a genre geared towards younger audiences for a reason.
@ look at Tim Burton’s and Nolan’s Batman films, hell even Sam Rami’s Spider-man films. Great effort and filmmaking don’t have to be mutually exclusive from a superhero led film. And I would have agreed ten years ago that they’re made for teenagers, but it seems they’re geared for the ‘man-child’ phenomenon audience in their 20’s and 30’s. Children’s films don’t have to be shallow, and to critique them for being so should also be valid, I’d say the Toy Story films proved that it’s more than possible, even without an auteur behind them.
Hey hold on, the very first Iron Man was excellent.
7:09 u mention that the scene of all 3 of them talking is out of place considering may’s death and that it feels goofy but i think it’s a needed moment of levity for tom’s peter and the audience after what happened and it strengthens the brotherly bond between the 3 of them, which is why i think that scene in particular is more than just fan service (even tho it is great fan service imo lol)
I'm the opposite 😂. I disliked the movie at first but liked it more as time went on. I understand the dislike for this movie though.
Same
7:23 I feel like MOST of the dialog in this entire movie feels like a parody of its characters.
I watched it once and thought it was a hot mess but I don’t get oh phased by nostalgia cheap tricks.
*oh-faced?
Crazy that ive been saying this ever since i saw it, you see it clearly once you get over the nostalgia
Martin Scorsese is proven right more and more every day about "theme-park attractions".
Oh look at me! I’m @danofsteel785, I watch Martin Scorsese films my IQ is SO much higher than the rest of you simpletons 🤓🤓🤓Oh my your such a film critic 🔥🔥🔥It’s like no matter what he says I’ll regurgitate it out because oh that’s the film bro director. Not everything needs to be a dam synopsis or complex mafia tale 😂😂😂Learn to enjoy movies u goddam nerd not everything should be scorsese
"This guy's aunt, basically his mother-"
Has ultimate universe flashbacks.
As soon as I got out of the cinema I thought "My favourite parts of this movie depended entirely on my appreciation for the Raimi and Webb movies, without that the story feels much weaker."
Willem Dafoe is still the goat tho
That's the point. If they didn't do the Raimi tie in, I wouldn't have watched. The most poignant part of the movie is where Ned says "Show the REAL Peter Parker" and Tobey steps through the portal
imo the whole movie IS fan service.. and that is actually the reason why it worked, because if you’re not a fan then why would you watch it in the first place?
Only thing I liked from this movie was Andrew Garfield. The thing I hated the most (the only time I ever watched it) is how long they spend on their suits, but with the masks off (for obvious reasons)
I also hate May's stupid way of dying. Just like Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man. What the hell were they doing there, for sure not helping
"Oh no, my mother-aunt has a huge gaping wound that will kill her before help arrives. If only I had some substance that was strong and sticky and could at least maybe close it enough to give her a chance at surviving..."
I like the movie, because it shows, there is an archetype of the Spider-Man - all the paralels between the three (Aunt May saying the resposnsibility quote before dying). And the ending is a recognition that the story follows a kind of same points, has the same way of unrolling.
I actually just rewatched NWH recently w/ all the bonus/deleted scenes and just thinking about the story ALL from an 17/18 year old perspective makes it one of my favorite spiderman stories and the New York swinging scenes n electro fight n bridge fight, and weight of the story and not even mentioning Tobey and Andrew mentoring a young spiderman n rage spiderman all in one movie is just great! The final scene when Peter doesnt tell MJ and remind her of their history, choosing to sacrifice his happiness over her safety, genuinely makes me tear up cuz of how bittersweet and beautifully acted it is
Problem with memberberries is they have a very short shelf life.