@AlexBoucher ummm buddy, nice video. But the comicbook is clear, spiderman has superhuman strength and durability, that's why his arm doesn't get detached when he swings. If not for that then I believe stan lee would've designed a different mode of transportation.
I also loved how in TASM, they incorporated more spider like movements. Like when he's fighting the lizard in the school in the first movie and wraps around him like an actual spider would webbing up their prey when webbing him up. It's literally just a few seconds but SO cool and one of my favorite scenes from the movie. As much of a Raimi fanboy I am, I really love and appreciate the Webb movies as well.
IMO His Spider movements and web effects during the Lizard Fight made him feel so weird- and unnatural, genuinely felt like a CGI Character with no bones
Too bad they made the story unnecessarily convoluted in TASM and ruined the whole franchise. It doesn't matter how smooth the Marvel Spider-Man cgi is when they decided story should be no 1 not the creases in suit
it's the difference in the appreciation of the art, and giving the artists the time and money to do their work. Computers taking longer to render the animation might have played a part in it, when it was too expensive to mess up
Mcu and new spidey is not about iconic spider man its more about young teen who have struggles,i really havent felt the same spider man spirit in the new movies,like it was before,they were about Spiderman and then about Peter,but the new movies are about Peter and then Spiderman
My jaw dropped watching the Japanese Spiderman doing a real swing under that bridge. The lengths these people were willing to go just for their art is incredible.
While a regular person _would_ have trouble swinging, they'd most likely lose their grip before their arm would rip off, but Spider-man's super strength is what prevents him from injuring himself during swinging. They even comment on it in TAS when he loses his powers temporarily. He tries swinging and injures himself and says he can't swing without his spider-strength. His body is strong enough to lift 10 tons or more depending on the version, so supporting his own body weight is no problem at all. It's also why he's able to generate so much momentum by kicking his legs out when swinging. Basically like gymnasts do on the bars but with exponentially more energy.
There's also the fact that in the comics (and animated shows and movies at least) he can control what he sticks too with any part of his body so it's kinda impossible for him to lose his grip unless he chooses to
I appreciate the logical explanation to why he can swing but even with super strength spiderman couldn’t work in real life. He would pass out because of how our circulatory systems work compared to spiders. Basically ur brain needs blood and enough downward g force will drain yours of it.
I appreciate the logical explanation to why he can swing but even with super strength spiderman couldn’t work in real life. He would pass out because of how our circulatory systems work compared to spiders. Basically ur brain needs blood and enough downward g force will drain yours of it.
It was the scene that plays over the DVD menu, as well. I remember falling asleep at a friend's house during a sleepover while the movie was on, and when I woke up at like 4am, it was just going on endless loop. I watched it probably a hundred times straight, to the point where I have the whole thing memorized to this day
costume design is severely underrated! the raised webbing and logo, the lights shining on the manmade textures, the bits of imperfection are what makes it perfect!
One thing I love about TASM is that it has the most swings with two webs attached to the same building, only a few feet apart to turn, it just feels more human than any other spider-man swinging I have ever seen
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@@Navi15 You sure you're not confusing it with Spider-Man 2? Cause TASM2 was enjoyable but disappointing. The fact that I had Spider-Man 2 as the bar and it didn't reach those heights - Doc Ock was a far more compelling villain - says it all for me.
@@TaimaSpider-Man 2 is the best for it's time, hands down. If only the TASM movies had a story like that, it'd be the absolute best. It already had great fight scenes, swinging scenes, ost, cinematography. What left me lacking and disappointed so much is the story and how Sony kept making weird changes. I wish they'd bring Andrew back for a last movie and making things right because for me, he's MY Spider-Man.
An indisputable fact. The whole movie has eye candy swinging scenes. The first interaction with electro and that final fight were just so top tier in that movie.
@@prod.gregupnext2958Which is an MCU movie and not a TASM movie. You're saying that the entire TASM film series failed to make you think it was actually "Amazing" even once, which means it did a pretty poor job.
@@HOTD108_ Yes, I mean for all the praise one scene in that franchise receives they're not good movies, the second in particular was a huge failure. The webslinging is good, but there is clearly more to making a good Spidey film
I have never actually watched The Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 but oh my goodness I cannot believe how good that webswinging looks in 2 it puts modern MCU Spider-Man to shame
I'm glad more people are talking about how dang good things like swinging is in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, they were so creative with some of it and it just felt *good*. I especially like the talk how the suit in ASM2 is the best (in many ways but especially) for including the wrinkles and folds and the looseness, I really hate how smooth and fake looking the Tom Holland suits are. It's such a strange choice to cg the entire suit all the time, much like how for the Falcon and Winter Solider show they talked about how they did something similar for taking away the folds in Sam's Cap costume and I was so annoyed, the bts footage before it was "fixed" looked so much better and realistic.
Tom’s suits not having wrinkles actually makes a lot of sense. It isn’t a suit that peter has made like in raimi movies or tasm, but it has been given to him by tony stark, which is tech incorporated. If you remember homecoming, when he wore his suit it was all baggy and wrinkly but then he pressed his chest spider and it was like body fit. And the fabric doesn’t exactly seem like one in which you could get wrinkles. But I bet the suit that we got at the end of nwh would have wrinkles its made by peter, just like the one in beginning of homecoming
Yeah, MCU!Spidey looks like a felt covered mannequin. It's weird that that's supposed to be a modern and high-tech take on the suit in and out of universe - it feels and looks cheap and uninspired. The lack of other textures gets to me most.
The irony of this is that Holland's practical suit looks amazing! It seems they had to redesign for some reason, and the only way to deal with that is to cgi over what had been filmed, and then they just kept doing that...
@@Negative15degreesmost Mcu stuff follows comics then tail off to do their own thing Infinity war happened, but it was Infinity gauntlet in the comics and Adam warlock was supposed to be there NWH is basically One more day, except mephisto did it, may stays dead, and Peter and mj never marry
Yep. Comic book movie makers these days pick up all the goofy things from comic books, but not the essence of the character. Give us the accurate mannerism of the characters. We don't want costumes to be too comic book accurate. We have comics for that. Give us a wolverine who goes full on animalistic berserker rage mode, a cyclops that braces itself before the powerful optic blasts, a Spidey who does make comic book poses.
0:10 Actually spiders do "swing'" from webs, kind of. When their born they'll create a web and blow in the wind till they reach a spot to make their home. Adult siders do it from time to time
@@AlexBoucher You should have wrote that in your script and said it then. If this were a talking head video with you just riffing off the cuff I could forgive it. But it's clearly a scripted and edited video, you had the chance to sanity check this. People are rightfully put off by the way you worded it, regardless of what your intent was.
I like how the Raimi movies made his swinging so graceful and balletic. It looks like he was in total control and had totally mastered this (admittedly) impractical mode of transportation. The Webb movies (especially the sequel) attempted to tie his swinging to real-world physics. When he shoots a line and hangs on, it jerks his entire body and he's seemingly at the mercy of the arc until he lets go. When he's falling, it's fast and frenetic. It doesn't feel like the Raimi movies where Spidey had the style and control of a skydiver during freefall. The MCU movies were serviceable, but didn't really have the personality of the other two (IMO). I felt more like an audience member watching him swing, while the other two immersed you into what Spidey was experiencing.
As a Tobey fan I'm gonna have to agree to disagree...the Webb movies are more real, it's even explained in the comics how fast of a rate Spidey swings at, and why his body doesn't rip off... The Webb movies show us in pov how Peter experiences swinging... There's no such thing as total control...Spiderman has no control of the velocity of his webs, he has the control of his movements...his control of his movements determine his swing....Andrew Spiderman was also in control,in fact he was more skilled than Tobeys spiderman in swinging. Tobeys Spiderman was just made to swing slower by the team behind the movies...
"And if they learn a lesson from Even Further back, instead of losing hundreds of millions of dollars, Risk losing a few stunt men instead" Is a wild thing to say not gonna lie Lol.
I mean, that's the job, right? Do the dangerous, possibly deadly stunts that the actors won't, or legally can't? It's literally the main risk of the job. It's why they get paid.
@@MarvNARK trying to make the films tie into future sequels was a nose dive from the start. Imagine how much better the first film would be if the lizard created the mutagenic spider in order to conserve the limited resources that oscorp was thinking of pulling back, and then the spider somehow got loose, and that explains why there's a spider-man making spider with recombinatory serum in its fangs somehow loose in the web room. That also explains Connors desperation to use the serum on himself with no further testing. He was running out of time and resources and had to act fast. The ending of the film is fine, with blank recombinatory serum landing on random New Yorkers possibly to explain for the extreme choice of becoming super villains in the future. As it is, there's some tie in with his parents being super spies who knew about this super spider, and oscorp is responsible for all the supers including Doc Ock... Which is somehow not as interesting and makes the world feel smaller, not like this chaotic universe where anything can happen...
Man I remember seeing Amazing Spider-Man 2 in theaters my senior year, that opening shot of him just immediately sky diving was incredible! The CG really pushed it in that movie, it all was just visually gorgeous from the suit, the scenery, to Emma Stone ;)
Listening to corridor crew about CGI, the number one rule to make something look real is to make intentional imperfections, but the Tom Holland suit doesn't have a single one, It's too perfect! The practical shot for the "boat pull" is so much better than the cgi one in the movie!
I think the spiderverse films are a prime example of how creative spidermans swinging, and overall fighting style can be, as they animators arent restricted by realism and practicality. I'de love to see if their talents could be applied to the live action films, as im sure they have had alot more room to experiment.
@@MarvNARK I mean, if people want the comic book poses and the "character" of Spidey as he's swinging, then the creativity is a necessary component, because I'm sure that doing acrobatics isn't the most straightforward or effective way of swinging around.
I'm sure they could make some nice stuff, but they'd be under a different set of restrictions with "real" people, since there's a limit to how much you can deform and bend a character that's supposed to be a real human, so they might employ more camera trickery like different angles to hide some things to make it feel more real.
I hate the phrasing, since it sorta implies the lives and safety of people matters less than the bottom line, but I definitely do think relying more on stunt work would dramatically increase the quality of these scenes. Also locking in pre-pro early so very don't have to make constant changes in production or in post. You don't need to worry about replacing scenes shot with a physical suit with CGI if you finalize that suit in the first place!
@@IAMA1 Agreed, but the phrasing was clearly intentional as a tongue-in-cheek jab to the industry. It's meant to be a joke, not an honest assertion that stuntmen are less valuable than cash lol.
TASM 2 swinging scenes looked like PS4 cutscenes. This guy only used the opening scene for his example because that's probably where they spent the most time on while making the film.
I watched the first Spider-Man movie when it came out, I was 7, and I want to thank every single person who worked on that movie, and helped shape it into the masterpiece it is.
TASM 2 swinging will probably never be topped again unless the VFX artist are given time. And also all the coordinators had a clear vision from Marc Webb to make sure it was physics based. The real question is that are the new coordinators that marvel hire willing to push the boundaries and put in the effort to make sure it looks good? Am not so sure I think marvel is practically comfortable with using lazy CG
The Raimi swinging scenes are my personal favorite because i like the wide shots and its just majestic. i love how gorgeous and smooth Spidey swings in those movies. The TASM ones are more realistic, and the close up camera angles do a great job to show off the speed adrenaline. theyre truly beautiful too. The MCU ones… theyre alright. lol
The video: It's impossible for a man to swing like this, it would rip is arm off Also the video: Referring to a fictional man who has superpowers from a radioactive spider
Also would like to mention that in TASM2, in electro fight scene, the movement of spider man (Even though there was not much swinging) also looked really good
0:21 this is just incorrect. Yeah if you have no training and you're a normal joe schmoe going from 0 - 100 off the bat. It's not particularly easy but it's not impossible.
@@damnfk063 Spider-Man us 100x+ the normal strength of humans, impossible for humans, not for spider-man. Some think he's just a normal guy sith spider powers which is just incorrect by a huge margin
it probably wouldn't rip your Arms off especially if you have super strength the real killer is the g forces would suck the blood out of your head and cause you to pass out even people who fly fighter jets would have a problem with the g forced spider man should be expinencing
Spiders indeed do swing on their webs my friend. Have you never watched them? They make a very long web, then crawl up it to make it longer, then they jump to reach their destination. It’s how cob webs across walkways and sidewalks are made. I’ve even seen spiders use the branches in our trees for momentum. It’s incredible
Absolutely love this video! My one suggestion would’ve been to cover Dan Poole’s stunt work in his fan film “The Green Goblin’s Last Stand” from 1992. He has a making of movie too, definitely worth a watch! He swung from buildings without safety gear simply because his script called for it. Legend
Finally someone talks about how boring toms swinging is! Literally almost every shot is zoomed in on his face and Zendayas hair, its honestly so boring to watch tom swing😭😭
In one of the comics his clone kane lives out in the mid west without any buildings around, so he ends up just running and jumping everywhere or slingshotting himself with his webs.
To this day, my favorite swing style is Tobey's. I know it's not perfect, but the gracefullness paired with the sound score is just so awesome. But without a doubt, that swing from Andrew's spidey is the best. Tom's swinging style still feels... inexperienced. If I was Bane I would say to him "You swing like young man, with nothing held back. Admirable, but mistaken."
in my opinion, the epitome of spiderman’s web swinging actually came from the spiderverse movies, because those were animated, and thus not limited by real life, but also because the shading and general atmosphere mimics that of the comics’, and they actually get a bunch of classic comic poses for spiderman while swinging, and a few new but absolutely believable poses specifically for miles, like the leap of faith scene.
I prefer always the raimi films for their heightened, stylish look. They didn't really need to look "real" because it just was not their style and tones, and allowed them to make creative camera movements such as the camera going out of the reflection in doc ock's glasses.
One of the best swinging that they gave tom's spiderman was during the vienna attack, really showed creativity there. Shame that the one spiderman with the most appearance drew the short end of the stick when it came to swinging.
About that intro. I’ve seen spiders swing around on their webs before. Of course they didn’t use their hands or go from one to another but I’ve seen spiders swinging around on a string that made it look like they were flying
Aside from that end swing in SM (2002), SM2 (2004) really was the movie that, to quote IGN, made you FEEL like Spider-Man, lol. The carelessness of his swinging combined with some innovative shots like Peter passing "through" the truck and the little "woo"'s when he's pulling something more difficult off all made it look so much fun. Garfield's swinging wasn't bad, but it really got lost later with the MCU films..
Wow... Just wow... I thought with this much information packed into a video this channel must've been a Spider-man related channel, but it surprised me that you make video essays on a variety of topics. With this much research going into each video I thought you would atleast have a million subs but to my horror you had less than 50k! You deserve wayy more than what you have man, keep these videos up and you'll blow up in no time bro!
I think the early 2000's may have been peak CGI so far. The reason was they spent as much time/effort on practical effects as they could and only filled in the gaps with CGI. This blend created the best effects. Even 2002 spiderman when he makes his first jump off the building is done practically and looks significantly better than the over-the-top CGI shown in 2017. But with movies like Dune Part 2 and The Batman getting back to the good blend between practical and CGI, hopefully we're trending back toward valuing practical effects.
0:30 Fun Fact.. They travel by using the wind, something called 'Ballooning.' Spiders can also use the Earth's electric field to propel themselves. When spiders sense an electric field, they stick their spinnerets into the air and release silk. This is called "tiptoeing" and indicates that the spider is ready to take off.🕸
I’m glad you made this video. Now we have a piece of media that expresses how I’ve felt about my favorite hero lately. Hopefully the Disney or whoever makes the next Spidey film not only takes reference & notes, but makes this part of a Spider-Man film a priority 🕷️
Spiderman one has the best web swing, the very first swing chasing uncle Ben murderer feels so raw, Tobey makes mistakes and corrects on the fly, you don't see that with the other two spider men.
I mean with the context of the mcu it makes sense that tom hollands spiderman has no wrinkles, cuz its a suite made by ironman which adjusts itself perfectly to the body. Also I agree when I saw that ending animation in no way home I also immediately saw how digital it looks.
The ending could've been used to change the suit functionality a bit since he himself made new suit with least amount of technology he has now...but no...
@@tonuahmed4227 lol. maybe theyll end up changing it again for the real movie. Im pretty sure from all the rumors and leaks that we will only see spiderman again during the next avengers movies, and only in between that there's gonna be a new stand alone spiderman movie
My only issue was the camera movements. It was too stiff and seemed to follow his hip. It should've been a little more free and reacting to his movements rather than directly following it.
The way they incorporated the feeling of weight, web tension and stretch and the whiplash effect when he catches the web in The Amazing movies is still incredible to see
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We need to acknowledge Dan poole’s stunt for his fan film
Yeah, the stunts were cool
Just found out that movie existed! Should have been in the video for sure. A huge gap in my research
@@AlexBoucherdo a video on it?
@AlexBoucher ummm buddy, nice video. But the comicbook is clear, spiderman has superhuman strength and durability, that's why his arm doesn't get detached when he swings. If not for that then I believe stan lee would've designed a different mode of transportation.
@@cfho83 as strong as g-forces?
I also loved how in TASM, they incorporated more spider like movements. Like when he's fighting the lizard in the school in the first movie and wraps around him like an actual spider would webbing up their prey when webbing him up. It's literally just a few seconds but SO cool and one of my favorite scenes from the movie. As much of a Raimi fanboy I am, I really love and appreciate the Webb movies as well.
Same here, love those films
IMO His Spider movements and web effects during the Lizard Fight made him feel so weird- and unnatural, genuinely felt like a CGI Character with no bones
Too bad they made the story unnecessarily convoluted in TASM and ruined the whole franchise. It doesn't matter how smooth the Marvel Spider-Man cgi is when they decided story should be no 1 not the creases in suit
@@stellviahohenheim yeah it was a lot to handle, even worse they didn't get the time to flesh them out
My favorite from that movie is settings up the web in the sewers and watching the movements of the web.
18:24 My man hit them with the "some of you may die.. but that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make"
That was a dark note to end on.
I definitely did a double take when I heard that lmao.
😂😂😂
bro wants to crack a few eggs 💀
Yeah, seriously, what the heck was that?!
it baffles me how huge the quality drop it is from TASM to MCU when putting them side by side.
it's the difference in the appreciation of the art, and giving the artists the time and money to do their work.
Computers taking longer to render the animation might have played a part in it, when it was too expensive to mess up
Mcu and new spidey is not about iconic spider man its more about young teen who have struggles,i really havent felt the same spider man spirit in the new movies,like it was before,they were about Spiderman and then about Peter,but the new movies are about Peter and then Spiderman
@@kaisaplews1407that doesn't excuse the drop in quality
@@kaisaplews1407 That doesn’t excuse the shit quality
My jaw dropped watching the Japanese Spiderman doing a real swing under that bridge. The lengths these people were willing to go just for their art is incredible.
While a regular person _would_ have trouble swinging, they'd most likely lose their grip before their arm would rip off, but Spider-man's super strength is what prevents him from injuring himself during swinging. They even comment on it in TAS when he loses his powers temporarily. He tries swinging and injures himself and says he can't swing without his spider-strength.
His body is strong enough to lift 10 tons or more depending on the version, so supporting his own body weight is no problem at all. It's also why he's able to generate so much momentum by kicking his legs out when swinging. Basically like gymnasts do on the bars but with exponentially more energy.
Yes, thank you!
There's also the fact that in the comics (and animated shows and movies at least) he can control what he sticks too with any part of his body so it's kinda impossible for him to lose his grip unless he chooses to
I appreciate the logical explanation to why he can swing but even with super strength spiderman couldn’t work in real life. He would pass out because of how our circulatory systems work compared to spiders. Basically ur brain needs blood and enough downward g force will drain yours of it.
I appreciate the logical explanation to why he can swing but even with super strength spiderman couldn’t work in real life. He would pass out because of how our circulatory systems work compared to spiders. Basically ur brain needs blood and enough downward g force will drain yours of it.
@@Okayzy maybe peter's body was changed to account for that (I mean the sentinels do target him)
It's funny how some of the peak CG was a decade ago.
So does it imply that sony treated spiderman better than the MCU?
Not really, there's plenty of stellar work done now.
@@junaidmughal3806 I think they did in terms of CGI but story wise its a no.
It’s almost like we’ve long passed the point where the limitation was the technology
@@briffsqueeze4063 I feel like Avatar (2009) was the point where it happened. 15 years later and it still looks great.
The 2002 final swing will always mean the most to me. Seeing that in the theatre when I was 7 was the craziest thing, it still gives me chills
Yeah, I'll never forget watching Spiderman 2 in theaters
Same here
It's the only way it looks real tbh, amazing soiderman and tom hollands looks like cgi shit
It was the scene that plays over the DVD menu, as well. I remember falling asleep at a friend's house during a sleepover while the movie was on, and when I woke up at like 4am, it was just going on endless loop. I watched it probably a hundred times straight, to the point where I have the whole thing memorized to this day
Perfectly said,and it stands for all of the Raimi movies
costume design is severely underrated! the raised webbing and logo, the lights shining on the manmade textures, the bits of imperfection are what makes it perfect!
Fr that raised webbing is the biggest reason the TASM suit is my favourite out of the movies
I swear my whole life, when I saw MJ in Tobey’s Spider-Man’s arms, I thought that was a real guy. *I’ve been living a lie*
Yeah but now I can’t unsee it
I always felt it looked off.
Now I know why
notice MJ's hair is also blowing the wrong way haha
😂its so obvious
And her hair is blowing in the wrong direction.
It can't be unseen.
One thing I love about TASM is that it has the most swings with two webs attached to the same building, only a few feet apart to turn, it just feels more human than any other spider-man swinging I have ever seen
18:24 bro really said, “what’s a few stuntmen for a film of greatness….”
a small price to pay for salvation
Literally I was like "what a great video" and then he said this and I was like, "hold up 🤨"
The wild thing is most stuntmen would agree with the sentiment over simply being replaced by CG and AI. They have a talent that isn't easily replaced.
@@poofy1746 For real that was a very poor comment to end the video on.
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TASM2 was the greatest live action Spiderman costume put to film.
To me, it is still the best Spiderman film. Also being my first ever cinema experience😅
@@Navi15 You sure you're not confusing it with Spider-Man 2? Cause TASM2 was enjoyable but disappointing. The fact that I had Spider-Man 2 as the bar and it didn't reach those heights - Doc Ock was a far more compelling villain - says it all for me.
@@TaimaSpider-Man 2 is the best for it's time, hands down. If only the TASM movies had a story like that, it'd be the absolute best. It already had great fight scenes, swinging scenes, ost, cinematography. What left me lacking and disappointed so much is the story and how Sony kept making weird changes. I wish they'd bring Andrew back for a last movie and making things right because for me, he's MY Spider-Man.
imo TASM1 look better
@@Muse-ick spiderman 2 is the best live action spiderman movie, either sm2 or sm1. Not even debatable
still the best swinging to this day is the opening to The amazing spiderman 2
An indisputable fact. The whole movie has eye candy swinging scenes. The first interaction with electro and that final fight were just so top tier in that movie.
@@jokerbatman3516 can't tell if this comment was sarcastic or not
@@Barnaacle you're overthinking😂there's no sarcasm there. TASM 2 was just that good with it's swinging scenes
@@Barnaaclebros been ruined by the internet.
Like graceful swinging more with weight but when you make a swinging scene that good it instantly becomes your favorite
Every year I fall more and more in love with the TASM franchise.
Super underrated no way home made me believe he is “amazing “
@@prod.gregupnext2958Which is an MCU movie and not a TASM movie. You're saying that the entire TASM film series failed to make you think it was actually "Amazing" even once, which means it did a pretty poor job.
@@HOTD108_ Yes, I mean for all the praise one scene in that franchise receives they're not good movies, the second in particular was a huge failure. The webslinging is good, but there is clearly more to making a good Spidey film
@@prod.gregupnext2958 underrated?
the movies grossed close to a billion dollars each
It deserves a trilogy ✅
Videos like this puts Netflix, Prime & HBO to shame. The amount of work and sheer human talent in making the OG swings literally blew me away.
fun fact. they don't watch youtube.
@@sanketvaria9734That fact.. wasn't really that fun
Best things about youtube full creative control
*figuratively
3:08 nahhh Japanese Spidey is toughhhh lmao
I had no idea how much of TASM's swinging was done practically! That rig at 12:50 is awesome
My man! If anyone’s gonna crack how to web-swing IRL it’s you. Just don’t lose any arms
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i love the little cartoon spider man you made for every transition. its so cute
I feel like tasm had the perfect mix between human like movements and spider like movements
Too bad the movies were the worst out of all of them
@@rzn2258 I disagree,I like the tasm movies the most out of all of them, always have and always will
@@rzn2258go cry fucker
@@rzn2258 Gimme a valid reason for hating the movie
@kyuubi_0261 I don’t need to, amazing spider man 2 does a pretty job to show how bad the movie really is
I have never actually watched The Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 but oh my goodness I cannot believe how good that webswinging looks in 2 it puts modern MCU Spider-Man to shame
Really interesting how almost everything in the TASM2 clip is almost 1:1 to what's in the PS4/5 games. Insomniac definitely approved.
Nah,not even close. Just some stunts.
@@sh1koraya they paid homage with some animations, but the swinging in the game is pretty weightless
@@opposite_melodies1711How’s it weightless the hell you on
@@sh1korathey didn’t even include a single clip of your boy Tom hollands spider man scene 🤣
@@dustyboy2099 Garfield > Tobey > Tom
I'm glad more people are talking about how dang good things like swinging is in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, they were so creative with some of it and it just felt *good*.
I especially like the talk how the suit in ASM2 is the best (in many ways but especially) for including the wrinkles and folds and the looseness, I really hate how smooth and fake looking the Tom Holland suits are. It's such a strange choice to cg the entire suit all the time, much like how for the Falcon and Winter Solider show they talked about how they did something similar for taking away the folds in Sam's Cap costume and I was so annoyed, the bts footage before it was "fixed" looked so much better and realistic.
Some Disney executive is OCD about wrinkles I guess
Tom’s suits not having wrinkles actually makes a lot of sense. It isn’t a suit that peter has made like in raimi movies or tasm, but it has been given to him by tony stark, which is tech incorporated. If you remember homecoming, when he wore his suit it was all baggy and wrinkly but then he pressed his chest spider and it was like body fit. And the fabric doesn’t exactly seem like one in which you could get wrinkles. But I bet the suit that we got at the end of nwh would have wrinkles its made by peter, just like the one in beginning of homecoming
@@dimplegargtgtsc.sambarocha344 The reason why it doesn't have wrinkles just makes it even more lame.
Yeah, MCU!Spidey looks like a felt covered mannequin. It's weird that that's supposed to be a modern and high-tech take on the suit in and out of universe - it feels and looks cheap and uninspired. The lack of other textures gets to me most.
The irony of this is that Holland's practical suit looks amazing! It seems they had to redesign for some reason, and the only way to deal with that is to cgi over what had been filmed, and then they just kept doing that...
12:33 can you IMAGINE being a spiderman obsessed kid driving down that road when you see actual spiderman swinging through the cars?
he says a minute later all the cars were piloted by stuntmen but its the thought that counts DX
I'd foam at the mouth from excitement 😂
10:18 “in the comic books that i read” that’s what we’re missing from most comic book movies these days
From what I heard Thor love and thunder is comic accurate from the comic book blood and thunder
@@Negative15degreestaika waititi (director) has proudly been talking about how he hated the thor comics.
@@Negative15degreesdawg I’m pretty sure they don’t have gorr kidnapping children in the comics he is way better than that 😭
@@Negative15degreesmost Mcu stuff follows comics then tail off to do their own thing
Infinity war happened, but it was Infinity gauntlet in the comics and Adam warlock was supposed to be there
NWH is basically One more day, except mephisto did it, may stays dead, and Peter and mj never marry
Yep. Comic book movie makers these days pick up all the goofy things from comic books, but not the essence of the character.
Give us the accurate mannerism of the characters. We don't want costumes to be too comic book accurate. We have comics for that.
Give us a wolverine who goes full on animalistic berserker rage mode, a cyclops that braces itself before the powerful optic blasts, a Spidey who does make comic book poses.
i love how Japanese Spider-Man is basically just Super Sentai (Original Power Rangers) but Spider-Man 🤣
You say that, but it's actually the other way around! A lot of the stuff they did in Japanese Spiderman went on to influence Super Sentai.
17:16 hey thats me! thanks for the shoutout (and for mentioning that we quit lol)
great video!
Heyyy! Thank you for your contribution to that scene! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve rewatched it
Why'd you quit?
@@Ten_Thousand_LocustsBecause the director and his friends are scumbags.
0:10 Actually spiders do "swing'" from webs, kind of. When their born they'll create a web and blow in the wind till they reach a spot to make their home. Adult siders do it from time to time
You created an "uh... Acktchually" moment just to not describe actual swinging??
@metroidDD5 use ur brain u dope, their babies that flow in the wind. Read a book n find out yourself...
More like parachuting than swinging
@metroidDD5 it's doesn't even come off like an "um actually" to me, sometimes people just use things like this as an excuse to share a fun fact
spiderman has powers, that's why his arm doesn't rip off
i think his point about arms getting ripped off was more about how there's no way to get any real world references
I meant if a real human attempted to swing through buildings the way Spider-Man does, his arms would rip off.
@@AlexBoucher You should have wrote that in your script and said it then. If this were a talking head video with you just riffing off the cuff I could forgive it. But it's clearly a scripted and edited video, you had the chance to sanity check this. People are rightfully put off by the way you worded it, regardless of what your intent was.
no shit
@@ChristianAkacro chill its not that deep
I like how the Raimi movies made his swinging so graceful and balletic. It looks like he was in total control and had totally mastered this (admittedly) impractical mode of transportation.
The Webb movies (especially the sequel) attempted to tie his swinging to real-world physics. When he shoots a line and hangs on, it jerks his entire body and he's seemingly at the mercy of the arc until he lets go. When he's falling, it's fast and frenetic. It doesn't feel like the Raimi movies where Spidey had the style and control of a skydiver during freefall.
The MCU movies were serviceable, but didn't really have the personality of the other two (IMO). I felt more like an audience member watching him swing, while the other two immersed you into what Spidey was experiencing.
As a Tobey fan I'm gonna have to agree to disagree...the Webb movies are more real, it's even explained in the comics how fast of a rate Spidey swings at, and why his body doesn't rip off...
The Webb movies show us in pov how Peter experiences swinging...
There's no such thing as total control...Spiderman has no control of the velocity of his webs, he has the control of his movements...his control of his movements determine his swing....Andrew Spiderman was also in control,in fact he was more skilled than Tobeys spiderman in swinging.
Tobeys Spiderman was just made to swing slower by the team behind the movies...
The ending of Spiderman 1 and the beginning of TASM 2 has to be the greatest web swinging ever
0:31 "IT'S A FILM THEORY!!!"
Ah yes the good'ol days
I just love the fact that somebody took the time to analyze and critique the swinging styles of Spider-Man
4:04 this took me out 😭
It also took him out
Makes sense...
I think people tend to forget he’s not a normal human being. Like on the thumbnail the bad labeled swinging makes sense if he got super strength.
"And if they learn a lesson from Even Further back, instead of losing hundreds of millions of dollars, Risk losing a few stunt men instead" Is a wild thing to say not gonna lie Lol.
I thought he was gonna say "use a tiny plastic toy"
Istg this comment section is filled with idiots who don't know what sarcasm is.
I mean, that's the job, right? Do the dangerous, possibly deadly stunts that the actors won't, or legally can't? It's literally the main risk of the job. It's why they get paid.
finally The Amazing Spiderman films are getting some much deserved love and attention
You forgot *more because these movies were still liked, it's just the larger scale of the second movie story to build up future ones was a nosedive
@@MarvNARK trying to make the films tie into future sequels was a nose dive from the start.
Imagine how much better the first film would be if the lizard created the mutagenic spider in order to conserve the limited resources that oscorp was thinking of pulling back, and then the spider somehow got loose, and that explains why there's a spider-man making spider with recombinatory serum in its fangs somehow loose in the web room. That also explains Connors desperation to use the serum on himself with no further testing. He was running out of time and resources and had to act fast. The ending of the film is fine, with blank recombinatory serum landing on random New Yorkers possibly to explain for the extreme choice of becoming super villains in the future.
As it is, there's some tie in with his parents being super spies who knew about this super spider, and oscorp is responsible for all the supers including Doc Ock... Which is somehow not as interesting and makes the world feel smaller, not like this chaotic universe where anything can happen...
I liked Andrew Garfield, but he was held back by bad writing and narrative choices.
TASM movies are absolute garbage, and shouldn't be getting any attention.
@@gamephreak5 Found the deluded Maguire fanboy.
Man I remember seeing Amazing Spider-Man 2 in theaters my senior year, that opening shot of him just immediately sky diving was incredible! The CG really pushed it in that movie, it all was just visually gorgeous from the suit, the scenery, to Emma Stone ;)
The dude has notable super strength as far as super heros go.
He can swing however he damn pleases.
Listening to corridor crew about CGI, the number one rule to make something look real is to make intentional imperfections, but the Tom Holland suit doesn't have a single one, It's too perfect! The practical shot for the "boat pull" is so much better than the cgi one in the movie!
I love how Funiculi Funicula is basically the Spider-Man 2 theme song at this point
11:40😂😂 thts crazy
I think the spiderverse films are a prime example of how creative spidermans swinging, and overall fighting style can be, as they animators arent restricted by realism and practicality. I'de love to see if their talents could be applied to the live action films, as im sure they have had alot more room to experiment.
really no need for creativity when the straightforward stuff will do but yes that is a very good assumption, even though it still is an assumption
@@MarvNARK I mean, if people want the comic book poses and the "character" of Spidey as he's swinging, then the creativity is a necessary component, because I'm sure that doing acrobatics isn't the most straightforward or effective way of swinging around.
I'm sure they could make some nice stuff, but they'd be under a different set of restrictions with "real" people, since there's a limit to how much you can deform and bend a character that's supposed to be a real human, so they might employ more camera trickery like different angles to hide some things to make it feel more real.
Thank you for this. This is a real documentary, and I can not praise it enough.
“Risk a few stuntman” is crazy. But hey, if it gets us TASM 2 levels of swinging or even better. It was all worth it. 💀💀💀
Thank youuuuu
I hate the phrasing, since it sorta implies the lives and safety of people matters less than the bottom line, but I definitely do think relying more on stunt work would dramatically increase the quality of these scenes.
Also locking in pre-pro early so very don't have to make constant changes in production or in post. You don't need to worry about replacing scenes shot with a physical suit with CGI if you finalize that suit in the first place!
@@IAMA1 Agreed, but the phrasing was clearly intentional as a tongue-in-cheek jab to the industry. It's meant to be a joke, not an honest assertion that stuntmen are less valuable than cash lol.
TASM 2 swinging scenes looked like PS4 cutscenes. This guy only used the opening scene for his example because that's probably where they spent the most time on while making the film.
@@cxssetteman182PS4 insomniac copied tasm web swinging just show how good tasm web swinging compared to your shitty fav
I watched the first Spider-Man movie when it came out, I was 7, and I want to thank every single person who worked on that movie, and helped shape it into the masterpiece it is.
TASM 2 swinging will probably never be topped again unless the VFX artist are given time.
And also all the coordinators had a clear vision from Marc Webb to make sure it was physics based.
The real question is that are the new coordinators that marvel hire willing to push the boundaries and put in the effort to make sure it looks good?
Am not so sure
I think marvel is practically comfortable with using lazy CG
The Raimi swinging scenes are my personal favorite because i like the wide shots and its just majestic. i love how gorgeous and smooth Spidey swings in those movies.
The TASM ones are more realistic, and the close up camera angles do a great job to show off the speed adrenaline. theyre truly beautiful too.
The MCU ones… theyre alright. lol
Stuntman sacrifices are a small price to pay for salvation
yup yup!!!
0:55 have you worn wings?
Will you wear wings?
When will you wear wigs?
Can we get an update on you wearing wings ?
This is a good meme
nothing beats seeing the original trilogy spiderman swing maybe it’s nostalgia talking but i love it
The video: It's impossible for a man to swing like this, it would rip is arm off
Also the video: Referring to a fictional man who has superpowers from a radioactive spider
Also would like to mention that in TASM2, in electro fight scene, the movement of spider man (Even though there was not much swinging) also looked really good
The TASM movies had the best swinging scenes of all time. I really hope all the future movies takes inspiration from those scenes.
0:21 this is just incorrect. Yeah if you have no training and you're a normal joe schmoe going from 0 - 100 off the bat. It's not particularly easy but it's not impossible.
At low speeds Joe schmoe can do it right away. At high speeds you'd have to be Spider Man to not get a dislocation or damage from repeated stress.
Film theory already proved you'd get severely injured
@@damnfk063 Built IRL did it for real. Can't link it because TH-cam doesn't like links but the video has 7.6 million views.
@@damnfk063 Spider-Man us 100x+ the normal strength of humans, impossible for humans, not for spider-man. Some think he's just a normal guy sith spider powers which is just incorrect by a huge margin
it probably wouldn't rip your Arms off especially if you have super strength the real killer is the g forces would suck the blood out of your head and cause you to pass out even people who fly fighter jets would have a problem with the g forced spider man should be expinencing
"Risk losing a few stuntmen instead."
How can this have less than a hundred views, this is top quality stuff!
Spiders indeed do swing on their webs my friend. Have you never watched them? They make a very long web, then crawl up it to make it longer, then they jump to reach their destination. It’s how cob webs across walkways and sidewalks are made. I’ve even seen spiders use the branches in our trees for momentum. It’s incredible
I can’t believe someone brought up Spider-Man Lotus in a video like this.
Can’t believe somebody brought up spider-man lotus ever
BELIEVE IT!!!! - Naruto
Now Disney has robots that do the swinging and air work.
Absolutely love this video!
My one suggestion would’ve been to cover Dan Poole’s stunt work in his fan film “The Green Goblin’s Last Stand” from 1992. He has a making of movie too, definitely worth a watch! He swung from buildings without safety gear simply because his script called for it. Legend
Kinda crazy that I also remember the impact of seeing the wrinkles in TASM 2, but didn't know everyone else liked it too!
Finally someone talks about how boring toms swinging is! Literally almost every shot is zoomed in on his face and Zendayas hair, its honestly so boring to watch tom swing😭😭
In one of the comics his clone kane lives out in the mid west without any buildings around, so he ends up just running and jumping everywhere or slingshotting himself with his webs.
To this day, my favorite swing style is Tobey's. I know it's not perfect, but the gracefullness paired with the sound score is just so awesome. But without a doubt, that swing from Andrew's spidey is the best. Tom's swinging style still feels... inexperienced. If I was Bane I would say to him "You swing like young man, with nothing held back. Admirable, but mistaken."
Adding the spider man pizza theme to the background was a stroke of genius.
this was incredibly well made, the amount of research that had to be done for all the interesting details, well done!!
in my opinion, the epitome of spiderman’s web swinging actually came from the spiderverse movies, because those were animated, and thus not limited by real life, but also because the shading and general atmosphere mimics that of the comics’, and they actually get a bunch of classic comic poses for spiderman while swinging, and a few new but absolutely believable poses specifically for miles, like the leap of faith scene.
“With each character retaining their unique swinging behavior” 16:48 I like how Tom’s Spider-Man is the only one not striking a pose
Wait nvm wrong Spidey :(
I prefer always the raimi films for their heightened, stylish look. They didn't really need to look "real" because it just was not their style and tones, and allowed them to make creative camera movements such as the camera going out of the reflection in doc ock's glasses.
One of the best swinging that they gave tom's spiderman was during the vienna attack, really showed creativity there. Shame that the one spiderman with the most appearance drew the short end of the stick when it came to swinging.
Props on the director for doing the swing himself
3:01 of course Japanese Spider-Man has a fucking gundam 🤣
Supaidaman (the Japanese spiderman) is just iconic every time you see him you just gotta shout his name and phrases
About that intro. I’ve seen spiders swing around on their webs before. Of course they didn’t use their hands or go from one to another but I’ve seen spiders swinging around on a string that made it look like they were flying
One thing all these video essays have taught me over the years is just how carelessly made the MCU is/has become. There's no love anymore.
High-level video dude, great job!
Each passing day more people realize how underappreciated TASM were
Aside from that end swing in SM (2002), SM2 (2004) really was the movie that, to quote IGN, made you FEEL like Spider-Man, lol. The carelessness of his swinging combined with some innovative shots like Peter passing "through" the truck and the little "woo"'s when he's pulling something more difficult off all made it look so much fun. Garfield's swinging wasn't bad, but it really got lost later with the MCU films..
i can just imagine how upset the 90s spiderman actors feel seeing all these 2000s spiderman actors getting all this cool stuff
“Risk loosing a few stuntmen instead” Bro 🤣
Imagine your friendly neighborhood SpiderMan just called out a giant mech to beat up a burglar
With great budget, comes expectations.
I absolutely love how Andrew’s Spider-Man incorporates his skateboarding tricks with his swinging
TASM is the principal inspiration of marvel's Spider-Man games
A 20 minute deep dive into Spiderman's web swinging? This is what TH-cam was made for.
03:55 that really cracked me up. Stuntman 2 inches tall and made of plastic. 😂 I can see why he didn't do it practically.
this was a brilliantly produced video. thoroughly enjoyed watching it!
Imagine ole Itsy Bitsy is crawling around in your house, then randomly starts swinging around💀
Be stupidly terrifying 😂
@@elusiventand kinda cute tbh as well 😂 its little body going through the air would lowkey be adorable 💀
Wow... Just wow... I thought with this much information packed into a video this channel must've been a Spider-man related channel, but it surprised me that you make video essays on a variety of topics. With this much research going into each video I thought you would atleast have a million subs but to my horror you had less than 50k! You deserve wayy more than what you have man, keep these videos up and you'll blow up in no time bro!
14:23 go pro? Nah thats the shlong pov
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The MJ POV
I think the early 2000's may have been peak CGI so far. The reason was they spent as much time/effort on practical effects as they could and only filled in the gaps with CGI. This blend created the best effects. Even 2002 spiderman when he makes his first jump off the building is done practically and looks significantly better than the over-the-top CGI shown in 2017. But with movies like Dune Part 2 and The Batman getting back to the good blend between practical and CGI, hopefully we're trending back toward valuing practical effects.
18:31 WHAT?!?!!!!😂
0:30 Fun Fact..
They travel by using the wind, something called 'Ballooning.' Spiders can also use the Earth's electric field to propel themselves. When spiders sense an electric field, they stick their spinnerets into the air and release silk. This is called "tiptoeing" and indicates that the spider is ready to take off.🕸
I’m glad you made this video. Now we have a piece of media that expresses how I’ve felt about my favorite hero lately. Hopefully the Disney or whoever makes the next Spidey film not only takes reference & notes, but makes this part of a Spider-Man film a priority 🕷️
*Disney executives furiously taking notes watching some guy’s video essay
Spiderman one has the best web swing, the very first swing chasing uncle Ben murderer feels so raw, Tobey makes mistakes and corrects on the fly, you don't see that with the other two spider men.
I mean with the context of the mcu it makes sense that tom hollands spiderman has no wrinkles, cuz its a suite made by ironman which adjusts itself perfectly to the body. Also I agree when I saw that ending animation in no way home I also immediately saw how digital it looks.
The ending could've been used to change the suit functionality a bit since he himself made new suit with least amount of technology he has now...but no...
@@tonuahmed4227 lol. maybe theyll end up changing it again for the real movie. Im pretty sure from all the rumors and leaks that we will only see spiderman again during the next avengers movies, and only in between that there's gonna be a new stand alone spiderman movie
The Spider String montage made me laugh so hard. I never knew I needed to see the old Japanese Spider-man show
I love videos like these.
Sam Raimi's swinging even with its limitations was so elegant with intensity.
My only issue was the camera movements. It was too stiff and seemed to follow his hip. It should've been a little more free and reacting to his movements rather than directly following it.
@@NoCluYTthey should have called you to get it right man. Such fools
The way they incorporated the feeling of weight, web tension and stretch and the whiplash effect when he catches the web in The Amazing movies is still incredible to see