It’s an even bigger issue when a character is suppose to be a kid, but the large gap in making the next season already see them passing into adolescence, and that the next season either have no time skip or it’s too short of a time skip to be convincing enough that they went through puberty that quick. Same can be said for elderly characters. Bruh, next season took so long to make, the actors died of old age.
lmao yeah I remember Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy having this problem, it really takes you out of the show at some point. I hope the dunk and egg show won't run into this problem
@grandkhan9261 I don't think this should be a concern for the dunk and egg show largely because in universe there were year or 2 year long jumps between each story we've gotten with the duo so far
This is one of the biggest issues, Yellowstone is another example. There's a character that is honestly just about unrecognizable from one season to the next because he started puberty and finished it between seasons. Goes from a kid to just about a man.
From (written by Lost's writers) will release s4 in 2026. Probably another season of 10 episodes. But theres a rumour that itll actually be betterpaced plot-wise than previous seasons
Truthfully I was never a fan of 20 episode seasons - there was always a bunch of filler and irrelevant stuff happening.. I’m cool with 13 episodes or so.
@firstlast9846 i know but you get more connected with the characters as if you are living with them & the pace feels more real , you go from one big moment to slow moments instead of going from one big moment to another, it makes the big moments that much important and impactful, we do need some fillers that are outside of the main story
Its also sad how you loose so many of my favourite small quiet character moments in new shows because they have to push the plot so fast to cram it all in 6-8 episodes.
@@dancingdragon3I agree, but to me it's the same as with video games - some people will very loudly yell that they hate something like filler episodes, while the rest don't care and just want to see a good story with engaging characters
Netflix is by far the biggest sinner here, for example Blue Eye Samurai season 2 apparently hasn't even started production. And they split season 2 Squid Game into two seasons to stretch it out, after taking 3 years to make it
Blue eye samurai was not a sure fire hit (it honestly did not get huge ratings beyond its critical acclaim) so its no surprise they didnt have Season 2 started.
Holy shit, I just realised that when Stranger Things season 4 came out, my sister was about 7 months pregnant with my nephew. By the time season 5 comes out, my nephew will be 3 years old. That is INSANE Netflix. That is waaaay too long.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe season 4 came out in 2022, he was born 2 months later. Season 5 comes out later this year, after he will have turned 3. He aged 3 years....over the course of the 3 year wait.
I couldn’t agree more 🙏 My two favourite movies are The Man From Earth and 12 Angry Men, both of which were shot almost entirely within one room of likely rented buildings 😂
One reason they might be stretching the timeline out the subscription model. The longer they make you wait, the longer they can charge you that monthly fee Edit: Lots of people don't remember to cancel their subscription, so they're banking on that
this is such a frustratingly good point. i first signed up to Disney+ because i was a exited about their Marvel shows… Which didnt come out for 2 years by which time i had gotten bored of Disney+ and canceled…
One piece may suffer from this too if they take even longer. Emily Rudd is like 31 and if the live action goes on longer, she’ll likely be 40. Nami is not that old to begin with.
On top of long waits between seasons, now it's becoming more common to do multi-month waits between mid-season and season finale. I can forget about a show for years until new content comes out, but I'm getting tired of having a plot interrupted mid-season and having to get back into it.
agreed! two shows that i watched, invincible and outlander, did this, with outlander taking a *year and a half* break in the middle of its penultimate season. getting back into both shows was frustrating, especially since the season of invincible only had eight total episodes
@cora2192 I was just about to say Outlander. I had just binged the entire show (that's at least 80+ episodes) for the first time just as Season 7 had dropped now I genuinely can't remember what has happened. Same for House of the Dragon.
@@Imreallyboredsick that's exactly what i did, and if it weren't for the recaps in each episode i'd be completely lost. it's such a shame it'll likely be another year before season eight finishes. and don't even get me started on house of the dragon 😭
@@cora2192 I've just looked at the cast list and I've just realised I can't remember who any of them are. I was going to rewatch season 7 and continue with the new episodes but maybe I need to start with season 1 again idk. I've bought the books to read so maybe I'll leave the show alone for now.
Hey for all the faults folks have with Disney+, this is not something they do at all. Once a show starts its season it keeps going for all those weeks till it concludes.
There’s a show I like on Netflix called All of Us Are Dead if you’ve heard of it. S1 came out in January 2022 and S2 is expected or come out December 2026 or January 2027 💀
I remember loving that when it came out and every year I’m still wondering wtf is happening with that show. That could be one of those ones that was just too late and a lot of people don’t come back.
Moving and bloodhounds took ages to get a season 2 announced but they would've been fine without a season 2. I think Koreans write a lot of things just for one season.
Can I also add, I miss when new shows used to launch new actor’s careers and you are really invested in the character and not the actor. Example, Cold Case, Lost, ER, Bones, TWD, Game of Thrones, Criminal Minds, Friends, etc. But lately, I am seeing more and more shows hire already A-list actors or already established actors in starring roles and it also just sort of monopolizes the success/fame. This also sometimes causes production to get postponed when you have actors doing multiple projects at once since they are well known actors. I do appreciate Netflix still hiring unknown actors though like in One Piece and Stranger Things.
Yes!! So many A-list actors in the 90s got their start this way, randomly getting scouted on the streets. Now you’re lucky if you see someone that’s 1. not already famous and 2. doesn’t come from a famous family.
Though to be fair, games have always had a much longer (and more nebulous) production cycle than most players perceive, and these days hype culture is rife, so reveals and announcements appear sooner. People simply know far more about the industry these days. But yes, budget and production scale increase has become an issue in all sorts of ways. One of the worst is in how the triple-A in particular - just like the film and TV industry - exploits cheaper labour in overseas markets. The recent People Make Games video was a horrifying example - and that ex-company apparently contributed to AC Shadows. Capitalism is to blame, as ever, in each industry.
@SabiJDof course the dev cycles of AAA games are due in part to the level of visual fidelity expected being labour expensive, which is long on top of incentivising shady outsourcing, crunch, etc... the time and labour expenses also incentivise more executive control, which leads to more retakes and slower validation of the work being done.
Not exactly exclusive to big-budget games. Happens to indie games, too. Freedom Planet 2 took 8 years to come out. Oxenfree 2 took 7.5 years to come out. Hollow Knight 1 came out 8 years ago and Silksong is still not out.
That's funny, but obviously not true here, as studios spend insane amounts of money on shows nowadays. The money isn't so much wasted on yachts as it is on needless visual spectacle. Maybe don't build sets the size of entire cities for your show.
This is why I don't believe HBO's Harry Potter remake will be possible. With a cast of rapidly growing children you can't have such long gaps between seasons, especially for the first 3-4 seasons. They'll have to shoot at least the first 4 seasons back to back to pull this off. One of my favorite shows is Apple's Foundation but the planned 7 or 8 season run would take nearly two decades at the current pace which obviously isn't feasible. And the years long wait is definitely killing otherwise popular shows because even the dedicated fans simply lose interest and move on. So here's where we are with 6-10 episodes and 18-36 months between seasons when you used to get two dozen episodes every year with a three or four month gap. Cliffhangers have become pointless. Imagine viewers in the past having to wait two or three years to find out who shot JR or how Picard was saved from the Borg. Nobody minds waiting a few years for the next 007 or Star Wars film because that's how that works with movies, but now the lines between movies and TV are becoming blurred in a bad way with most of these shows just really long movies. I suppose it's best to look at them that way and just hope the ones we like manage to finish their stories without being canceled first
@@ProdLucioI’d cost a fortune to film nonstop like that for years and that’s not even including all of the effects they have to add because…magic. They’ll have to pour everything they have into that series to even come close to competing with the movies. I just don’t see them finishing it. It’s unfortunate and I just don’t think it was ever meant to be a tv series.
Fans of Harry Potter would not move on though, they loved the story twice before and they can love the story again. The age thing definitely would be an issue but I think they will have to film those seasons close to one another IN FACT, I would say probably their best strategy is to release each season thirty years after the original book. 2027: Sorcerors Stone 2028: Chamber of Secrets 2029 Prisoner of Azkabana 2030: Goblet of Fire 2033: Order of the Phoenix 2035: Half-Blood Prince 2037: Deathly Hallowsx There is the two and three year gaps that HBO and Netflix love so much.
9:24 bit a of a misconception. A lot of VFX work is for "invisible vfx". Sure, it may not have dragons and zombie armies, but you would be surprised how many mundane shows require VFX to hide camera gear, set extension, adding signage to a location to create a scene, and colour grade. Most shows have some degree of VFX whether you are conscious of it or not.
Maybe they should stop using VFX for everything then. TV shows managed 22+ seasons for decades before VFX. Surely they can figure out how to keep camera gear out of camera view again.
I remember how people were pissed when Invincible season 2 had like its mid season break. Which yeah I don’t blame them. We waited almost 3 years for a season and with the show having 8 episodes per season, and only had like 4 episodes at that point, it did not need a mid season break. And I don’t blame the show runners for that, I put the blame on how Amazon Prime treated the show.
It's also disappointing how episodic TV shows pretty much disappeared off the face of the earth. Everything is trying to be the next Game of Thrones or Stranger Things where you have to sink in several hours just to know what's going on. Then they get cancelled after a big cliffhanger, so you end up feeling like a sucker who wasted 10h for nothing.
I miss workplace comedies where you could just watch characters get into funny situations for 22 minutes and go about your day. Now everything is a 50-minute drama thar requires serialized viewing to know what's going on. You can't just turn to random episodes and watch for fun.
@@smetivier2715they definitely didn’t go away there’s a bunch of shows like that out especially right now id watch abbot elementary if you haven’t already it’s hilarious
I agree Cobra Kai made a mistake releasing season 6 in three parts. But it's been one of the most consistently scheduled shows. Season 1 came out in 2018 and season 5 came out in 2022... and that is with Covid throwing everything off and netflix delaying the release of season 3 when they acquired the rights to cobra kai
Yes but the general direction is driven by the books, there's not a huge amount of post-production, it doesn't need to travel and it follows the British short run TV model of 6 episode runs, a single director per block and a handful of writers. It's a production format with a quick turnaround which maintains quality.
Who wants to be waiting 3 years for 8 episodes of something? HOTD's season 2's backlash wasn't really because the show was bad, just that 3 years is an outrageous wait for so little to happen, and now we have to wait again. I miss the time when a got season came out every year.
@@cg-constantlygrowing1896 the budget cuts heavily affected season 2 of HotD, we would've had the biggest sea battle of all time in the 9th or 10th episode. And everyone would've forgiven it for its slow-paced episodes 5 and 6. But it is what it is, it's done and now we must wait for season 3. And pray it will be good.
@@Divine_Chareka Yeah episode 9 was supposed to be The Battle of the Gullet and episode 10 the fall of King’s Landing but Warner Brothers decided to tank their flagship show for some reason. I can’t even blame HBO or the writers because this wasn’t really their fault but now they’re the ones taking all the criticism.
I will never understand why these days shows want to take these incredibly long gaps just for 8 episodes man I miss the 20 episode seasons of shows. I enjoy filler content sometimes
I miss filler content. It helped flesh out characters and their relationships too. Now everything just feels like it’s only plot being crammed into a small amount of episodes with no time for us to get to know the characters or process anything that’s happening.
@@BridgetBrennan-m5m I completely agree filler content allows us to actually better understand the characters and their relationships with one another whether it’s important to the plot or not. I view it as character building in general and even sometimes more Worldbuilding. Stuff like that is why I’m an advocate for filler content sometimes but obviously it shouldn’t be overblown as it can be on some occasions
sometimes filler content would be about character building, which I often enjoyed. But sometimes it was just typical plot with weaker characters or story beats which was less appealing all around.
The thinking used to be that fewer episodes would mean those 8 episodes would be better. Instead it just means that now an episode that sucks is a full 1/8th of the whole season instead of "oh yeah skip episode 14, that was a dumb one." and having it recede into the background.
@ Completely agree. An episode can’t be bad with a shorter season if anything it means they have higher stakes for every single one to be bangers. At least some shows can accomplish that task I guess
it took the creators of Lost 11 weeks to produce that pilot, then they did another 22 episodes the same year, so I will not accept any of the excuses these production companies give for it taking YEARS for 8 episodes of one season. and then only HALF of that season being released at a time? lol no
Streaming really has ruined how TV shows work, shows are not movies, you can't make short episodes and fill it with exposition and no pacing. And the giant gaps between seasons is a joke. It takes them years to greenlight original projects.
Fr. I miss when series were actual shows and not just one long movie mashed together in 6 episodes. Shows used to be something you can just watch everyday and still wont reach half the episodes it has in one season. Pretty little liars for example lol.
Dude, I was 19 when stranger things started. Working as a summer camp counselor. I was effectively offline the whole summer and had heard some things while a had a free hour to connect to the office Wi-Fi. Heard about some hot new Netflix show, but didn’t know much more than that. Then the cast went on Jimmy Fallon and I decided to look up the Stranger Things. Absolutely hooked. Each season was released far apart to be a specific chapter of my life. F 2016: One year out of high school, first time senior summer camp counselor. 2017: Figuring out what to do with secondary education, enroll for 2018 1 year program 2019: Graduated DMA program, Had also helped launch the Topgolf Auburn Hills venue, then took the summer off to return for a third time as a camp counselor. Enjoyed talking with other staff members who are huge fans of the show. One of the highlights of a great summer. 2022: Huge time jump with Covid, Started a new job an autonomous vehicle test specialist making good money, another great summer. Now I’m 28…sheesh.
HOTD has been the biggest disappointment for me. I couldn't wait for S2 to come out and then... that's it? I waited two years for nothing to happen but Damon to hallucinate in a haunted castle for 8 episodes, and Alicent to whine about how awful her kids are?
ikr. season 2 had nothing really happening, then it ends the same as season 1, getting ready to go to war the Game of thrones universe is going downhill fast
That's not on showrunners, though. HBO had financial problems and basically slashed production. Dozens of shows got shelves or postponed, and many had significantly cut budgets. HOTD had to cut two whole episodes, with big battles and some proper finale.
@@marken816 so you love a book that has been out for... 14 years, that ends on a cliffhanger and like 5 different battles set-up but not actually executed, well that's ironic on top of that since you agree with the op you must think that a character spending 8 episodes tripping balls in a castle is somehow bad as if its not the plotline like half of ASOIAF characters go through GoT went bad the second it abandoned the magical aspect of this world and slow character set-up in favour of big dumb battles every other episode
Another issue is when you wait so long for a renewal on a massive show studios can't be left unused and crews can't be left out of work so restarting production becomes a major logistical problem. Renting stages at studios like Pinewood isn't cheap so you either lose the slot, make something else or pay for them to be empty. These factors push up the costs of production which then feed back into cautious decision-making about renewal.
Not only waiting for actor availability, but also any key crew availability. Everyone has to keep working and if they can't know if they're coming back next year until after it airs (long after its produced), they'll go on to other jobs and then getting them back becomes another delay.
There’s no excuse for a show to have 2 to 3 years in between seasons, I don’t care how much money is invested, or taking their time to get the quality right, we’ve had great shows for over 50 years at 22 episodes a year.
Many of my old favorite shows on TV were 10 or more episodes per season and would only have a half a year wait time until next season. How I truly miss the old days of television.
Glad you brought up Doctor Who as an example of their being less episodes as the years have gone on. I remember how back in 2005 after the success of just the first episode in series 1, series 2 was immedietly commissioned & came out the following year. Now 20 years later, we've got series 15/season 2 coming out but we have no idea if series 16/season 3 will get commisioned despite the showrunner saying everything's fine.
When the episode numbers started dropping, I just started skipping years and then catching two seasons at once to have at least a "normal" amount of material to watch. I wonder how many people just forgot in the intervening time.
I was just talking about this today regarding Star Trek. Paramount+ finally has a universally loved Trek in Strange New Worlds. The showrunners have said they'd love to do 15 or 20 episodes rather than 10, but the studio basically told them to fuck off. But, why? It's cheaper to increase the episode count of an existing hit show over trying to develop a new show (like the planned Starfleet Academy). They already have the standing sets, and paying the cast/crew more will still undoubtedly be cheaper than having a whole other cast and crew.
Probably because adding to an existing show doesn't usually bring in new viewers, and keeping seasons short and spread out allows them to string along existing fans as cheaply as possible. They aren't giving enough weight to building up audience goodwill over time, though to be fair audiences also don't tend to be loyal or offer the benefit of the doubt when studios make mistakes so they are somewhat justified in not expecting loyalty. But with greater integrity and better customer service it could still be possible.
This is literally why I ended up saying screw it and read Fire & Blood. My impatience gave in. House of the Dragon likely won't end until 2028-2029, at the earliest. And I'm too invested in this world and the characters to wait that long to get the resolutions I want.
The show won’t even be anything like fire and blood unfortunately. HBO is too broke to afford house of the dragon and writers have to cut everything to fit the budget
@@dreamfyresthe writers have also made so many changes that it’s impossible for them to follow the books. They’re only loosely following the book now. The show is fanfiction at this point.
Shows get shorter and time between seasons gets longer so they need more shows to fill the empty space. Which is good for the streaming services, because shotgunning shows is how they prove their value to new and current subscribers. Instead of 10 shows with 22 episodes airing every year, they have 50 shows with 10 episodes that air every 3 years. Which looks a lot better for someone scrolling through the library.
As someone who used to be a mega fan I can wholeheartedly say I do not care about The Handmaid's Tale's final season anymore. I can't remember anything that happened.
It's so frustrating how so many shows have 6 or 8-episode seasons now when (from my understanding of it) that started with Game of Thrones having movie-length episodes, but now Marvel and Star Wars are making 6-episode seasons and some episodes are like half an hour.
I've been thinking recently that TV today sees a new Firefly almost on a monthly basis. What was a huge issue and became a cautinary tale back then, right now is basically the norm.
@LoveK1 yeah, and as the video said, you don't want to invest into anything because you don't know if it will be finished or if that cliffhanger is not gonna be resolved ever
My wife and I rewatched Fringe recently and it reminded me how long shows used to run. That said, there was a lot of fluff lol. Shorter seasons is not necessarily an issue, but the gap in between seasons definitely is ridiculous
You know there are still shows that are run the same way Fringe was right ? Less than there used to be but still, why are people acting like they completely disappeared.
“Supernatural”, to me, was the last show capable of producing 24ish episodes per season, and each season comes out every year. Quality was very low, but at least they had beginning to end story to tell.
imagine if spn was coming out today.... in s10 actors will be in a nursing home and we'd have a 8 episode seasons where nothing happens... like that show was 10% plot, 90% filler episodes where the main characters refuse to talk about their feelings on certain situations...
That's a lie. I'd say 70% story and 30% filler. Btw, after season 5....filler episodes were better than the story episodes. Random monster hunts were the best episodes. .@spntageous5249
There was this "meme" of sonic a couple of years ago saying "i want games to be shorter and have worse graphics and im not joking" or something like that and now that doesnt just apply to games but movies and shows too
At 10 seasons, 20-22 episodes per season, one of my all time favorite shows - Stargate - finished airing in 10 years. 12 years if I count Atlantis, a great spin-off, that ran a bit more after that at extra 5 seasons. Every year, one season of SG-1 and/or Atlantis was coming out while the next were usually in the making already. If you know you got a good product, you don't need to wait a year to bloody renew it! This was the usual case of any show I remember watching as a kid - if it wasn't a one-off or didn't get cancelled (rip third season of Legend of the Seeker), you could be nearly certain the next season was coming out same time next year. There is seriously no excuse for less than 10 episodes of ANY show taking so long to make. Unless we're talking about the legendary movie-length 3 episodes per season of Sherlock. The scale and amount of CGI is just horrendous and honestly unnecessary or straight up obsolete in most of the shows. The scarce/non-existent use of practical effects contributes to the time, the price and in some cases, to how ridiculous the shows looks (the first Witcher season's monsters are comedy gold). Sure, the earlier seasons of Stargate will definitely breathe the 90's sci-fi air into your face, but not because of any of the effects.
Funny that you mention Stargate's special effects, because honestly speaking they don't look good compared to the shows that are coming out today. BUT Stargate's special effects were smart because they stayed in their lane with what they could reasonably achieve. The visual language of the show is consistent. Sure, some shots of ha'tak ships look bad, and there will always be some greenscreening issues. But they wrote the show to focus the budget on what they could realistically achieve. No, we won't have huge dramatic space battles every episode. Yes, every alien planet is Vancouver. Yes, most aliens look exactly like humans. That was what Stargate could pull off with its budget, and it did so very, very well. Partnered with a great writing team, and you've got a wonderful show that still holds up in many ways today. Now, people are expecting TV shows to look like blockbuster movies, and that's just not feasible anymore. Some shows manage to pump in enough money to pull that sort of thing off, but for the most part, they're pumping more and more money to work VFX and CGI artists even harder under worse time constraints to make a show that's a visual mess. There is no more consistency.
I miss episodic shows. With the rise of streaming it seems like most shows that are made today are serialized with some overarching plot and characters going through arcs and stuff. There haven't really been like a new Spongebob, The Simpsons, Full House, or you know that type of sitcom style show, on any streaming sites that I'm aware of, or they get cancelled (like Inside Job on Netflix which I loved, r.i.p.), I miss a show that I can just get lost in seeing the characters go through different situations week to week. I'm tired of all these dramas or dramedy series they keep pushing.
I miss when we had 22 episode seasons and waited half a year between seasons. I think the subscription model bears much of the blame. It's too profitable to keep people paying every month.
If these shorter seasons were the length they needed to effectively tell their stories, I'd be fine with that. But in most cases, it's obviously not- shows like Arcane S2 and Creature Commandos would have benefitted from a bit more breathing room and more space to tell the stories they were wanting to tell, but they clearly didn't get it and as a result things feel crammed. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that Creature Commandos was supposed to be eight episodes but one got cut, because seven feels like such a weird number of episodes for a tv show, even with the shrinking numbers
1:19 that makes me sad, breaking bad/better call saul was always a better quality show than game of thrones even when got was still some of the best tv and the breaking bad universe did not cost that much money to make. It was just pure quality writing with excellent performances and it is regarded as the best tv shows ever made
I feel like I’m one of the few people who never got into Stranger Things (for no particular reason) despite hearing about it for years and I was genuinely floored when you said the final season still hadn’t been released yet 🤯
i got into it after season 4 came out, long after its peak hype in the culture, binged it and loved it. But now its been so long between seasons that idc about it all.
A big problem I'm finding in this era of shows either 1) being cancelled after one or two seasons even if it's well-received or 2) taking 1.5-3 years for a new season rather than having a full season every year (whether 6 episodes or 24 episodes) is that it has become increasingly hard to get truly invested in a show. Even if I enjoy a new show that drops, it's like, well they'll probably come out a month or two later and say it's cancelled. Or they'll say it's picked up but then I'll be waiting years to see it again. By the time a new season comes out, I have probably forgotten what happened or maybe even straight up forgot I watched it since a million other things have come out since then. It's just not the same as it was 10-15 years ago.
When Stranger Things came out I was 15 years old going into freshman year. By the time the last season comes out I’ll be 24, at my next 2nd duty station being in the Army since 2020. My god I feel old as hell
@smooveayy The worst part is that they didn't even give the series a chance they created just 1 season and decided to split it into two and cancelled it before it had a chance to get a fan base.
The Handmaid’s Tale is one of my favorite shows I don’t see anyone talking about in the comments but it’s taking so long to make the last season. Same with HOTD except their season 2 wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. It’s agonizing waiting and I wish there was something we can do about it
IKR? At this point I'm just waiting for the spinoff (The Testaments) cus I feel like they're prepping for it too. Let's hope that show has a one-and-done season.
Facts it's years now isn't it for last season I keep checking every 3 to 6 months lol 😂it's getting made but who knows when
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Another reason why there is so little retention of viewers between seasons is that all the episodes are released at the same time, making viewers binge the show in a couple of days, being really excited about it for a couple of weeks and then inevitably forgetting about the show because there’s no marketing around it happening, and no regular (weekly) releases to keep the show fresh in people’s memories and excited for the next season
Of the series that I have been watching, I feel that For All Mankind is the fastest that its productions have had. Season 1(2019) Season 2 (2021) Season 3 (2022) Season 4 (2023) Season 5 (rumored for this year)
Probably a good thing! We think production intervals for many Hollywood tv shows (both live action and animated) and perhaps even a lot of anime shows are getting a bit too long for our comfort.
Im surprised you didnt mention the series commission issue. A lot of issues with these shows are that they arent being made with any actual intent, or are being converted from a movie and stretched out to be a tv show. This is mainly an issue with the disney+ shows but still. A lot of shows like Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan were clearly made either because they were commissioned with a "just make it happen" attitude, or converted from the movie they were supposed to be into a series without any actual direction on how to make the razor thin story last for as many episodes as they could.
It's mindblowing that series such as 24 back in the day released 8 24 episodes + 1 movie in a 9 years spam and still holds as one of the best show on tv to this day
Learning from this video that Kaos was cancelled destroyed me. I knew 1899 was cancelled and grieved that already. But god, that gut punch was not needed. I’m honestly considering not watching Netflix anymore and telling everyone I know to cancel their subscriptions. From what you’ve said I might consider an Apple+ subscription.
Hadn’t watched the full video yet so I’m hearing Kaos was cancelled reading your comment. Ugh, what a gut punch. That show was phenomenal. Netflix is ridiculous 😠
This is exactly why I dont watch that many shows. I do the same as you - I wait until there is more than one episode or until the show concludes because I dont want to invest my time and a show gets canceled. Biggest disappointment as of late was a show called Scavengers Reign on MAX. First season was amazing, but learned shortly after that they canceled it. I also started buying 4Ks and Blu Rays of my favorite movies because I'm finding streaming services removing them for whatever reason and then can't find them anywhere
In the 1960s, TV shows commonly had 30 episodes per seasons, with each episode being 45 to 50 minutes long. Second season of Batman'66 featured astounding 60 episodes, with each episode's being 25 minutes long. Back then, ABC often aired 2 episodes per week.
You are literally the first person I have heard who has watched 1899. Not as good as Dark, but by the end of the first season I was hooked and ready to go for inception on space. Also, another great example of a lot of these trends you mentioned, both of quick development and delays, is Dragon Prince on Netflix. That show had 7 or 8 seasons greenlit at once if I’m not mistaken, but scandals and strikes threw in big delays when they were otherwise churning out new seasons quite quickly
I was furious and disappointed when they cancelled 1899. It was clearly building up to something interesting, despite the first season not being as good as Dark, but they took it away. The season was not as hooking as Dark but, by the end, it had potential.
And the writers had the whole story already planned out yet they were dropped.Production companies don't want take bets anymore , the only shows that get away are those with heavy product placement
I was just thinking about this recently. I really miss when we had one new episode of a show per week. When cartoon cartoon fridays was a thing we got like four shows with new episodes and when one was on hiatus between seasons we still have new episodes coming out. Instead of binging it in a week we had it for like 4 to 6 months per season
What annoys me most is how netflix is so clearly to blame for this but now they don't even wanna lay in their own bed because they realised that splitting a season up over multiple days/mby weeks or even months is a clever idea to keep viewers engaged😭💔
Netflix started the idea of binging shows and may have led to shorter seasons in North America, but the trope British brevity has been around for a while. There are some shows that work with more episodes and some that definitely need less. Netflix is switching how it releases it shows due the binge method not working very well to keep word of mouth, and to presumably get more content out quicker. On some cases some of they delay may not be the streaming service but company that they are licensing the material from.
2 years later and im still pissed about the cancellation of “1889”. A show that was actually high quality with an original plot and not just fan service. But it was promoted poorly and cancelled only months after the release of season 1. Their reason was “it wasnt getting enough views.” Wtf? It was watched a lot in so many countries. But they expected people to finish a slowburn show in just a few weeks. The creators were the same people who made the tv series “Dark.” A slowburn show JUST LIKE 1889, but is arguably one of the only shows people can praise netflix about. If they cancelled Dark as quick as they cancelled 1889, no one wouldve even had the opportunity to watch a show as good as Dark. They completely ruined the potential for 1889 and never gave it a chance. And XO Kitty still got a season 2 lol. I cant wait for Netflix to finally fall off.
It’s not about increasing profit margins per-say, it’s about management trying to prove they are contributing. Shaving off 1% of cost here and there for short term gain at the expense of the big picture is symptomatic of poorly lead companies. The main role of many people in large companies is to continually justify their existence, shallow and sometimes harmful contributions is the ‘value’ these people add to the end product.
Shows can't breathe anymore. Not with people wanting zero filler episodes, zero filler characters, and every episode with as much action or plot as possible. Sitcom tv used to have longer seasons and air sooner bc there wasn't all this expectation! You could have a few breather episode where it's just fleshing out the world or characters, and viewers would still enjoy week to week. People may not like slow, regular paced sitcoms or dramas--but they have a lot of value.
You’ve completely missed the point. Not to mention the fact that what you are describing is all that is fed to us in the media these days, so people have no choice but to consume it. I myself along with many others, I can assure you, absolutely still appreciate that type of content. But to blame to viewers here is quite ignorant when it’s the streaming services just trying to maximise their profit for shit quality shows.
All I hear is about how shows are so short that they just feel like one big movie. There’s no episodes that you can just chill with. You have to really focus and not do anything else. People do want good filler episodes to character build and move the story along.
They also don’t like releasing 2 big shows at the same time so even though one might be ready it is delayed a bit to release after one has aired. Dunk and egg will be ready for late spring / summer but will probably release in late fall so that it doesn’t overlap with other shows releasing on Max
At this point I'd rather rewatch old classics like Buffy than get invested in shows that get canceled or take 3 years for another season. I watched the Wilds and it freaking ended up a cliffhanger !! Was supposed to be 6 seasons and was only 2
Studios want that GOT money but they aren’t willing to take the same risks. That is probs why they also keep reworking existing media, instead of showcasing a new story.
Stranger Things: 42 episodes in 9 years (4.66 episodes per year). Gunsmoke: 635 episodes in 20 years (31.75 episodes per year). Gunsmoke produced 681.33% of Stranger Things' annual output.
I feel that a lot of money is just laundered in movies and Government construction projects. Just look at some of these things and there’s no way they cost that much.
Great video. After being burned too many times by falling in love with a show only to have it canceled without a resolution (Raised by Wolves, for example) I refuse to watch any show until it's completed and all seasons are available. This worked out especially well for me with Game of Thrones since I'd already heard how bad the ending was. I didn't watch the final season but looked on TH-cam for fan written alternative endings and didn't have to deal with the heartbreak that so many other fans did. One thing I don't understand is why post production CGI takes so long and why it's so expensive. I know nothing about the industry, so I REALLY don't understand. Like, back in the days when they had to use real cars for crash scenes you'd think needing to purchase multiple cars would be more expensive than someone altering things on a computer program. I understand that's not the case, but don't know why. I'd love it if someone could explain that to me.
The same could be said for both animated shows and anime. Just look at Harley Quinn, Castlevania, Kite Man Hell Yeah, X-Men 97, Chainsaw Man, Loser Ranger, Zom 100, Hell’s Paradise, My Happy Marriage, Delicious in Dungeon and Jujutsu Kaisen. Those shows usually take 2, 3, 4 or even 5 years for a new season to come out. The main reason why is because of the animation of each show. The creative staves of each show want to make their series with the best quality ever. Another reason is due to scheduling issues as the companies who made these shows might have other projects to focus on.
Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are probably taking awhile because of its high quality animation. Overworked animators aren’t going to take a month. However other anime have very standard limited animation and those taking this long for a second season are ridiculous. My Hero Academia is the only anime right now that’s coming out at a quicker and reasonable time.
@@SomeTH-camr1993 I know, the movie is one of the few things I'm looking forward to this year in 2025. Maybe a bit longer for this movie to be in select theaters in America.
It’s an even bigger issue when a character is suppose to be a kid, but the large gap in making the next season already see them passing into adolescence, and that the next season either have no time skip or it’s too short of a time skip to be convincing enough that they went through puberty that quick. Same can be said for elderly characters. Bruh, next season took so long to make, the actors died of old age.
lmao yeah I remember Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy having this problem, it really takes you out of the show at some point. I hope the dunk and egg show won't run into this problem
It's crazy that lucas from strange things is supposed to be a teenager, naybe 15 at best yet the actor in s4 was clearly an adult
@@grandkhan9261 Dunk and Egg really shouldn't be multiple seasons, I like the idea of it being a short series but WB hates money so, who knows.
@grandkhan9261 I don't think this should be a concern for the dunk and egg show largely because in universe there were year or 2 year long jumps between each story we've gotten with the duo so far
This is one of the biggest issues, Yellowstone is another example. There's a character that is honestly just about unrecognizable from one season to the next because he started puberty and finished it between seasons. Goes from a kid to just about a man.
Remember when Lost used to have 22 episodes seasons every year
From (written by Lost's writers) will release s4 in 2026. Probably another season of 10 episodes. But theres a rumour that itll actually be betterpaced plot-wise than previous seasons
@@Crocalufrom is not written by lost writers, it just has some producers overlap
Truthfully I was never a fan of 20 episode seasons - there was always a bunch of filler and irrelevant stuff happening.. I’m cool with 13 episodes or so.
@firstlast9846 i know but you get more connected with the characters as if you are living with them & the pace feels more real , you go from one big moment to slow moments instead of going from one big moment to another, it makes the big moments that much important and impactful, we do need some fillers that are outside of the main story
So did Prison Break
Its also sad how you loose so many of my favourite small quiet character moments in new shows because they have to push the plot so fast to cram it all in 6-8 episodes.
I think part of that problem is that nowadays episodes that focus on world, character, or relationship development are scorned as “filler”.
yeah there to Higher Ups are to Concerned about the Attention Spans not the Finished Product.
@@dancingdragon3I agree, but to me it's the same as with video games - some people will very loudly yell that they hate something like filler episodes, while the rest don't care and just want to see a good story with engaging characters
Reminds me of Arcane season 2.
@@dancingdragon3 Yes, any focus on character development is seen as "filler" by idiots and complained about so its been removed from so many.
Netflix is by far the biggest sinner here, for example Blue Eye Samurai season 2 apparently hasn't even started production. And they split season 2 Squid Game into two seasons to stretch it out, after taking 3 years to make it
@@Elatenl True, tho its crazy they take 3 years just to give half a season, then promise the other half in a year
Blue eye samurai was not a sure fire hit (it honestly did not get huge ratings beyond its critical acclaim) so its no surprise they didnt have Season 2 started.
Look at House of the Dragon as well, HBO is taking 2 years to make another season of a book thats been completed for a while
I really enjoyed blue eye samurai
@@corey7219 its an absolute masterpiece ye
Holy shit, I just realised that when Stranger Things season 4 came out, my sister was about 7 months pregnant with my nephew. By the time season 5 comes out, my nephew will be 3 years old. That is INSANE Netflix. That is waaaay too long.
The pandemic and the strikes definitely didn't help. And shows like Stranger Things are just major productions, almost like eight mini-movies.
@@stretchmonster kinda like the problem the video was highlighting
If covid never happend stranger things would be over by now
Your sister's son aged 4 years in 8 years?
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe season 4 came out in 2022, he was born 2 months later. Season 5 comes out later this year, after he will have turned 3. He aged 3 years....over the course of the 3 year wait.
Good Writing will ALWAYS save you. You don't need a big budget or amazing CGI. Good writing always works.
this is honestly how lost remained relevant for so many seasons...its a shame JJ Abrams never knows how to end his "mystery box" plotlines tho.
THIS. Red Dwarf’s first season had a budget of £5 but, damn, if it still isn’t a great watch.
This isn't a great argument
Some shows need a big budget or cgi especially fantasy or comic shows
I couldn’t agree more 🙏 My two favourite movies are The Man From Earth and 12 Angry Men, both of which were shot almost entirely within one room of likely rented buildings 😂
Idk about tv but for movies I think it depends.
One reason they might be stretching the timeline out the subscription model. The longer they make you wait, the longer they can charge you that monthly fee
Edit: Lots of people don't remember to cancel their subscription, so they're banking on that
this is such a frustratingly good point. i first signed up to Disney+ because i was a exited about their Marvel shows… Which didnt come out for 2 years by which time i had gotten bored of Disney+ and canceled…
@@closebenI'm gonna cancel Disney after Daredevil and Andor come out lol.
Or you can just start and stop your subscriptions depending on what shows you want to watch. I don't need *all* of my subscriptions at the same time.
@stretchmonster Yeah, but the greedy f****** are counting on most people not doing that
Who actually keeps a subscription for at least a year for a particular show?
This is the biggest reason I don't watch modern tv much because I completely forgot about what happens by the time a new season comes out.
I swear brother. I have to re-watch stranger things all over again
When stranger things started, i was 15 - now im 24..
Exactly what happened to me with hotd
hope your watching movies in the cinema its still cool and there have been bangers
There are usually some season recaps here on youtube. Or I'll just watch the previous season at 1.5x speed lol
"I'm not waiting 4 years to get a mid ass new season of Moon Knight, bro"
~my friend Eduardo
Is it even getting a Season 2?
@@danmthemannotavailableprobably.
Maybe.
Who even knows at this point...
Based
Ugh 😣 I really wanted to like that but gave up halfway through. Even Ethan Hawke couldn't save it
He’s right
I’m tired of waiting years for shows, only getting 6-9 episodes, and seasons being split in half! It’s infuriating
They take so long that the actors age out of the role, pass away, or just decide to move to other projects.
Euphoria fell victim to all three of those
One piece may suffer from this too if they take even longer. Emily Rudd is like 31 and if the live action goes on longer, she’ll likely be 40. Nami is not that old to begin with.
On top of long waits between seasons, now it's becoming more common to do multi-month waits between mid-season and season finale. I can forget about a show for years until new content comes out, but I'm getting tired of having a plot interrupted mid-season and having to get back into it.
agreed! two shows that i watched, invincible and outlander, did this, with outlander taking a *year and a half* break in the middle of its penultimate season. getting back into both shows was frustrating, especially since the season of invincible only had eight total episodes
@cora2192 I was just about to say Outlander. I had just binged the entire show (that's at least 80+ episodes) for the first time just as Season 7 had dropped now I genuinely can't remember what has happened. Same for House of the Dragon.
@@Imreallyboredsick that's exactly what i did, and if it weren't for the recaps in each episode i'd be completely lost. it's such a shame it'll likely be another year before season eight finishes. and don't even get me started on house of the dragon 😭
@@cora2192 I've just looked at the cast list and I've just realised I can't remember who any of them are. I was going to rewatch season 7 and continue with the new episodes but maybe I need to start with season 1 again idk. I've bought the books to read so maybe I'll leave the show alone for now.
Hey for all the faults folks have with Disney+, this is not something they do at all. Once a show starts its season it keeps going for all those weeks till it concludes.
I was 12 when Stranger Things started and I'm turning 22 this year. 4 seasons in that time. I'm having a breakdown.
You literally aged with the cast 😂Didn't Millie Bobbie Brown get married recently?
It’s really just hiatus with occasional show at this point.
@@RedrallyMillie will be on her 3rd grandchild before season 5 is released
I was 9. I'll be 18 this year 😭
I was 16 when it came out and now I'm 24 turning 25 in April 😂😂😂
There’s a show I like on Netflix called All of Us Are Dead if you’ve heard of it. S1 came out in January 2022 and S2 is expected or come out December 2026 or January 2027 💀
By the time S2 comes out, all of us might be dead 💀
I remember loving that when it came out and every year I’m still wondering wtf is happening with that show. That could be one of those ones that was just too late and a lot of people don’t come back.
@@jamiemartin6603 same. i thought it was probably a one and done after not hearing anything. much like most netflix shows
Moving and bloodhounds took ages to get a season 2 announced but they would've been fine without a season 2. I think Koreans write a lot of things just for one season.
I was literally just looking up this show to see when it would come out again.
Can I also add, I miss when new shows used to launch new actor’s careers and you are really invested in the character and not the actor. Example, Cold Case, Lost, ER, Bones, TWD, Game of Thrones, Criminal Minds, Friends, etc. But lately, I am seeing more and more shows hire already A-list actors or already established actors in starring roles and it also just sort of monopolizes the success/fame. This also sometimes causes production to get postponed when you have actors doing multiple projects at once since they are well known actors. I do appreciate Netflix still hiring unknown actors though like in One Piece and Stranger Things.
Yes!! So many A-list actors in the 90s got their start this way, randomly getting scouted on the streets. Now you’re lucky if you see someone that’s 1. not already famous and 2. doesn’t come from a famous family.
Same thing is happening in the AAA gaming industry. Games take 8 years to make only to flop due to chasing trends that are a decade old.
Though to be fair, games have always had a much longer (and more nebulous) production cycle than most players perceive, and these days hype culture is rife, so reveals and announcements appear sooner. People simply know far more about the industry these days.
But yes, budget and production scale increase has become an issue in all sorts of ways. One of the worst is in how the triple-A in particular - just like the film and TV industry - exploits cheaper labour in overseas markets. The recent People Make Games video was a horrifying example - and that ex-company apparently contributed to AC Shadows.
Capitalism is to blame, as ever, in each industry.
@SabiJDof course the dev cycles of AAA games are due in part to the level of visual fidelity expected being labour expensive, which is long on top of incentivising shady outsourcing, crunch, etc... the time and labour expenses also incentivise more executive control, which leads to more retakes and slower validation of the work being done.
Not exactly exclusive to big-budget games. Happens to indie games, too.
Freedom Planet 2 took 8 years to come out.
Oxenfree 2 took 7.5 years to come out.
Hollow Knight 1 came out 8 years ago and Silksong is still not out.
Yeah GTA 6 has taken so long I am not going to lie I am less interested.
@@c.w.k.n.5117Its more faul of GTA V being so lucrative, Rockstar is going to milk the last penny out of that game to start making GTA VI
Pay writers?Nahh that is too expensive, I need to buy another mega yacht, Let's use AI instead.
AI can outline and organize stories well, but it can't write them as well as a human can. AI is a marathon runner, humans are quality writers.
That's funny, but obviously not true here, as studios spend insane amounts of money on shows nowadays. The money isn't so much wasted on yachts as it is on needless visual spectacle. Maybe don't build sets the size of entire cities for your show.
Tbf the calibre of showrunners these days pales in comparison to those 20 + years ago
This is why I don't believe HBO's Harry Potter remake will be possible. With a cast of rapidly growing children you can't have such long gaps between seasons, especially for the first 3-4 seasons. They'll have to shoot at least the first 4 seasons back to back to pull this off. One of my favorite shows is Apple's Foundation but the planned 7 or 8 season run would take nearly two decades at the current pace which obviously isn't feasible. And the years long wait is definitely killing otherwise popular shows because even the dedicated fans simply lose interest and move on. So here's where we are with 6-10 episodes and 18-36 months between seasons when you used to get two dozen episodes every year with a three or four month gap. Cliffhangers have become pointless. Imagine viewers in the past having to wait two or three years to find out who shot JR or how Picard was saved from the Borg. Nobody minds waiting a few years for the next 007 or Star Wars film because that's how that works with movies, but now the lines between movies and TV are becoming blurred in a bad way with most of these shows just really long movies. I suppose it's best to look at them that way and just hope the ones we like manage to finish their stories without being canceled first
Totally agree
Same im excited for it but they’d be filming constantly there’s no way they’d be able to do it
@@ProdLucioI’d cost a fortune to film nonstop like that for years and that’s not even including all of the effects they have to add
because…magic. They’ll have to pour everything they have into that series to even come close to competing with the movies. I just don’t see them finishing it. It’s unfortunate and I just don’t think it was ever meant to be a tv series.
Man, making it animated would fix this problem so easily, along with allowing so much more creativity
Fans of Harry Potter would not move on though, they loved the story twice before and they can love the story again. The age thing definitely would be an issue but I think they will have to film those seasons close to one another IN FACT, I would say probably their best strategy is to release each season thirty years after the original book.
2027: Sorcerors Stone
2028: Chamber of Secrets
2029 Prisoner of Azkabana
2030: Goblet of Fire
2033: Order of the Phoenix
2035: Half-Blood Prince
2037: Deathly Hallowsx
There is the two and three year gaps that HBO and Netflix love so much.
9:24 bit a of a misconception. A lot of VFX work is for "invisible vfx". Sure, it may not have dragons and zombie armies, but you would be surprised how many mundane shows require VFX to hide camera gear, set extension, adding signage to a location to create a scene, and colour grade. Most shows have some degree of VFX whether you are conscious of it or not.
Yeah, I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that a show like Mindhunter, for example, used a fair amount of VFX.
@@stretchmonstergod I miss that show.
Yeah, Mindhunter used a lot of VFX for mundane stuff.
The curse of prestige television.
Maybe they should stop using VFX for everything then. TV shows managed 22+ seasons for decades before VFX. Surely they can figure out how to keep camera gear out of camera view again.
I remember how people were pissed when Invincible season 2 had like its mid season break. Which yeah I don’t blame them. We waited almost 3 years for a season and with the show having 8 episodes per season, and only had like 4 episodes at that point, it did not need a mid season break.
And I don’t blame the show runners for that, I put the blame on how Amazon Prime treated the show.
I dont miss 24 episode seasons but the 10-13 episodes, once a year was sooooo good.
Yeah 10-13 episodes should be the norm again, 7/8 episodes per season is just too short
Definitely the sweet spot for my viewing tastes, yeah.
7 to 8 episodes are better
13 episodes is good anything less than that is short, I'm sorry
13-16 episode seasons are the sweet spot. USA Network did this with its shows such as Suits, White Collar, Psych, etc
It's also disappointing how episodic TV shows pretty much disappeared off the face of the earth. Everything is trying to be the next Game of Thrones or Stranger Things where you have to sink in several hours just to know what's going on. Then they get cancelled after a big cliffhanger, so you end up feeling like a sucker who wasted 10h for nothing.
I miss workplace comedies where you could just watch characters get into funny situations for 22 minutes and go about your day. Now everything is a 50-minute drama thar requires serialized viewing to know what's going on. You can't just turn to random episodes and watch for fun.
@@smetivier2715they definitely didn’t go away there’s a bunch of shows like that out especially right now id watch abbot elementary if you haven’t already it’s hilarious
And movies that aren't part of a cinematic universe
@@smetivier2715 I really hope Abbott Elementary isn’t going to be the last workplace sitcom we ever see
I hate how netflix release half a season and than release the other half half a year later, cobra kai as an example
latest one is in 3 parts lol
I agree Cobra Kai made a mistake releasing season 6 in three parts. But it's been one of the most consistently scheduled shows. Season 1 came out in 2018 and season 5 came out in 2022... and that is with Covid throwing everything off and netflix delaying the release of season 3 when they acquired the rights to cobra kai
And Yellowstone S5
@@hwykng82You’re kidding?!😂 I’m sorry but they’re just trolling us now.
And Bridgerton. They just had their lowest rated season and they mid season break made it worse.
*THIS IS WHY* I love Slow Horses.. once one season is done you’re already getting trailers for the next season OTW
Yes but the general direction is driven by the books, there's not a huge amount of post-production, it doesn't need to travel and it follows the British short run TV model of 6 episode runs, a single director per block and a handful of writers. It's a production format with a quick turnaround which maintains quality.
But there short seasons
Who wants to be waiting 3 years for 8 episodes of something? HOTD's season 2's backlash wasn't really because the show was bad, just that 3 years is an outrageous wait for so little to happen, and now we have to wait again. I miss the time when a got season came out every year.
We best get used to it, those days are long gone, sadly
End of season one: WE ARE GOING TO WAR!
end of season two: WE ARE GOING TO WAR...STILL!
@@cg-constantlygrowing1896 the budget cuts heavily affected season 2 of HotD, we would've had the biggest sea battle of all time in the 9th or 10th episode. And everyone would've forgiven it for its slow-paced episodes 5 and 6.
But it is what it is, it's done and now we must wait for season 3. And pray it will be good.
Cutting 2 episodes from HotD after years of waiting is diabolical. Screw them.
@@Divine_Chareka Yeah episode 9 was supposed to be The Battle of the Gullet and episode 10 the fall of King’s Landing but Warner Brothers decided to tank their flagship show for some reason. I can’t even blame HBO or the writers because this wasn’t really their fault but now they’re the ones taking all the criticism.
I will never understand why these days shows want to take these incredibly long gaps just for 8 episodes man I miss the 20 episode seasons of shows. I enjoy filler content sometimes
I miss filler content. It helped flesh out characters and their relationships too. Now everything just feels like it’s only plot being crammed into a small amount of episodes with no time for us to get to know the characters or process anything that’s happening.
@@BridgetBrennan-m5m I completely agree filler content allows us to actually better understand the characters and their relationships with one another whether it’s important to the plot or not. I view it as character building in general and even sometimes more Worldbuilding. Stuff like that is why I’m an advocate for filler content sometimes but obviously it shouldn’t be overblown as it can be on some occasions
sometimes filler content would be about character building, which I often enjoyed. But sometimes it was just typical plot with weaker characters or story beats which was less appealing all around.
The thinking used to be that fewer episodes would mean those 8 episodes would be better. Instead it just means that now an episode that sucks is a full 1/8th of the whole season instead of "oh yeah skip episode 14, that was a dumb one." and having it recede into the background.
@ Completely agree. An episode can’t be bad with a shorter season if anything it means they have higher stakes for every single one to be bangers. At least some shows can accomplish that task I guess
Shoutout Quinta Brunson and the rest of the crew making Abbott for their quickness in developing episodes for the show!!
The fact that Quinta went from fucking BUZZFEED to writing one of the best sitcoms of the decade is amazing
20+ episode seasons, special holiday episodes, and seasons come out every year. It’s why Abbott Elementary is staying relevant.
it took the creators of Lost 11 weeks to produce that pilot, then they did another 22 episodes the same year, so I will not accept any of the excuses these production companies give for it taking YEARS for 8 episodes of one season. and then only HALF of that season being released at a time? lol no
Streaming really has ruined how TV shows work, shows are not movies, you can't make short episodes and fill it with exposition and no pacing. And the giant gaps between seasons is a joke. It takes them years to greenlight original projects.
Fr. I miss when series were actual shows and not just one long movie mashed together in 6 episodes. Shows used to be something you can just watch everyday and still wont reach half the episodes it has in one season. Pretty little liars for example lol.
Dude, I was 19 when stranger things started. Working as a summer camp counselor. I was effectively offline the whole summer and had heard some things while a had a free hour to connect to the office Wi-Fi. Heard about some hot new Netflix show, but didn’t know much more than that.
Then the cast went on Jimmy Fallon and I decided to look up the Stranger Things. Absolutely hooked.
Each season was released far apart to be a specific chapter of my life. F
2016: One year out of high school, first time senior summer camp counselor.
2017: Figuring out what to do with secondary education, enroll for 2018 1 year program
2019: Graduated DMA program, Had also helped launch the Topgolf Auburn Hills venue, then took the summer off to return for a third time as a camp counselor. Enjoyed talking with other staff members who are huge fans of the show. One of the highlights of a great summer.
2022: Huge time jump with Covid, Started a new job an autonomous vehicle test specialist making good money, another great summer.
Now I’m 28…sheesh.
HOTD has been the biggest disappointment for me. I couldn't wait for S2 to come out and then... that's it? I waited two years for nothing to happen but Damon to hallucinate in a haunted castle for 8 episodes, and Alicent to whine about how awful her kids are?
ikr. season 2 had nothing really happening, then it ends the same as season 1, getting ready to go to war
the Game of thrones universe is going downhill fast
That's not on showrunners, though. HBO had financial problems and basically slashed production. Dozens of shows got shelves or postponed, and many had significantly cut budgets. HOTD had to cut two whole episodes, with big battles and some proper finale.
every day I am reminded that Game of Thrones fans would actually fucking hate the ASOIAF books if they actually read them...
@@vinogr00nko93You!re wrong. I love the books, ADWD is actually my favourite, and I share the opinion with the OP
@@marken816 so you love a book that has been out for... 14 years, that ends on a cliffhanger and like 5 different battles set-up but not actually executed, well that's ironic
on top of that since you agree with the op you must think that a character spending 8 episodes tripping balls in a castle is somehow bad as if its not the plotline like half of ASOIAF characters go through
GoT went bad the second it abandoned the magical aspect of this world and slow character set-up in favour of big dumb battles every other episode
Another issue is when you wait so long for a renewal on a massive show studios can't be left unused and crews can't be left out of work so restarting production becomes a major logistical problem. Renting stages at studios like Pinewood isn't cheap so you either lose the slot, make something else or pay for them to be empty. These factors push up the costs of production which then feed back into cautious decision-making about renewal.
Not only waiting for actor availability, but also any key crew availability. Everyone has to keep working and if they can't know if they're coming back next year until after it airs (long after its produced), they'll go on to other jobs and then getting them back becomes another delay.
There’s no excuse for a show to have 2 to 3 years in between seasons, I don’t care how much money is invested, or taking their time to get the quality right, we’ve had great shows for over 50 years at 22 episodes a year.
Many of my old favorite shows on TV were 10 or more episodes per season and would only have a half a year wait time until next season. How I truly miss the old days of television.
Glad you brought up Doctor Who as an example of their being less episodes as the years have gone on. I remember how back in 2005 after the success of just the first episode in series 1, series 2 was immedietly commissioned & came out the following year.
Now 20 years later, we've got series 15/season 2 coming out but we have no idea if series 16/season 3 will get commisioned despite the showrunner saying everything's fine.
When the episode numbers started dropping, I just started skipping years and then catching two seasons at once to have at least a "normal" amount of material to watch. I wonder how many people just forgot in the intervening time.
i swear that series has only survived due to merchandise sales of the past, far better seasons from 2005-2016
@ that plus the regeneration every few years to peak interest on what the new Doctor is like
I was just talking about this today regarding Star Trek.
Paramount+ finally has a universally loved Trek in Strange New Worlds. The showrunners have said they'd love to do 15 or 20 episodes rather than 10, but the studio basically told them to fuck off.
But, why? It's cheaper to increase the episode count of an existing hit show over trying to develop a new show (like the planned Starfleet Academy). They already have the standing sets, and paying the cast/crew more will still undoubtedly be cheaper than having a whole other cast and crew.
Certainly not universally loved but I agree with the rest
Probably because adding to an existing show doesn't usually bring in new viewers, and keeping seasons short and spread out allows them to string along existing fans as cheaply as possible. They aren't giving enough weight to building up audience goodwill over time, though to be fair audiences also don't tend to be loyal or offer the benefit of the doubt when studios make mistakes so they are somewhat justified in not expecting loyalty. But with greater integrity and better customer service it could still be possible.
This is literally why I ended up saying screw it and read Fire & Blood. My impatience gave in. House of the Dragon likely won't end until 2028-2029, at the earliest. And I'm too invested in this world and the characters to wait that long to get the resolutions I want.
They will drag that show out like you wouldnt believe.....
@@TheOrderofDylan You’re completely right I don’t think this show is ending until 2030
The show won’t even be anything like fire and blood unfortunately. HBO is too broke to afford house of the dragon and writers have to cut everything to fit the budget
@@dreamfyresthe writers have also made so many changes that it’s impossible for them to follow the books. They’re only loosely following the book now. The show is fanfiction at this point.
Shows get shorter and time between seasons gets longer so they need more shows to fill the empty space. Which is good for the streaming services, because shotgunning shows is how they prove their value to new and current subscribers. Instead of 10 shows with 22 episodes airing every year, they have 50 shows with 10 episodes that air every 3 years. Which looks a lot better for someone scrolling through the library.
Shows should have a minimum of 12 episodes to be considered a show. I remember the good old days when shows were at least 26 episodes per season.
As someone who used to be a mega fan I can wholeheartedly say I do not care about The Handmaid's Tale's final season anymore. I can't remember anything that happened.
I'm surprised it's still going. I thought it was done.
It's still going?😂😂😂😂😂
Omg I totally forgot about this show 😂
It's so frustrating how so many shows have 6 or 8-episode seasons now when (from my understanding of it) that started with Game of Thrones having movie-length episodes, but now Marvel and Star Wars are making 6-episode seasons and some episodes are like half an hour.
I've been thinking recently that TV today sees a new Firefly almost on a monthly basis. What was a huge issue and became a cautinary tale back then, right now is basically the norm.
This is a whole word. I remember Firefly being a tragic anomaly that everyone lamented. Now, like you said we’re getting gut punched every year!
@LoveK1 yeah, and as the video said, you don't want to invest into anything because you don't know if it will be finished or if that cliffhanger is not gonna be resolved ever
My wife and I rewatched Fringe recently and it reminded me how long shows used to run. That said, there was a lot of fluff lol. Shorter seasons is not necessarily an issue, but the gap in between seasons definitely is ridiculous
10 episodes feels like the sweet spot. 8 isn't enough and 16 is too much especially when they do mid-season finales.
You know there are still shows that are run the same way Fringe was right ? Less than there used to be but still, why are people acting like they completely disappeared.
Massive respect for GOT doing this only year after year
and doctor who kid
Probably should have take one year at least for last season
They did @@TaniaDlc-z2x
i remember what a scandal it was seen as when season 7 would have a slight delay...oh how good we had it!
“Supernatural”, to me, was the last show capable of producing 24ish episodes per season, and each season comes out every year. Quality was very low, but at least they had beginning to end story to tell.
Absolutely love Supernatural. Great story and I loved the filler episodes.
imagine if spn was coming out today.... in s10 actors will be in a nursing home and we'd have a 8 episode seasons where nothing happens... like that show was 10% plot, 90% filler episodes where the main characters refuse to talk about their feelings on certain situations...
That's a lie. I'd say 70% story and 30% filler. Btw, after season 5....filler episodes were better than the story episodes. Random monster hunts were the best episodes. .@spntageous5249
There was this "meme" of sonic a couple of years ago saying "i want games to be shorter and have worse graphics and im not joking" or something like that and now that doesnt just apply to games but movies and shows too
At 10 seasons, 20-22 episodes per season, one of my all time favorite shows - Stargate - finished airing in 10 years. 12 years if I count Atlantis, a great spin-off, that ran a bit more after that at extra 5 seasons. Every year, one season of SG-1 and/or Atlantis was coming out while the next were usually in the making already. If you know you got a good product, you don't need to wait a year to bloody renew it! This was the usual case of any show I remember watching as a kid - if it wasn't a one-off or didn't get cancelled (rip third season of Legend of the Seeker), you could be nearly certain the next season was coming out same time next year.
There is seriously no excuse for less than 10 episodes of ANY show taking so long to make. Unless we're talking about the legendary movie-length 3 episodes per season of Sherlock. The scale and amount of CGI is just horrendous and honestly unnecessary or straight up obsolete in most of the shows. The scarce/non-existent use of practical effects contributes to the time, the price and in some cases, to how ridiculous the shows looks (the first Witcher season's monsters are comedy gold). Sure, the earlier seasons of Stargate will definitely breathe the 90's sci-fi air into your face, but not because of any of the effects.
Funny that you mention Stargate's special effects, because honestly speaking they don't look good compared to the shows that are coming out today. BUT Stargate's special effects were smart because they stayed in their lane with what they could reasonably achieve. The visual language of the show is consistent. Sure, some shots of ha'tak ships look bad, and there will always be some greenscreening issues. But they wrote the show to focus the budget on what they could realistically achieve. No, we won't have huge dramatic space battles every episode. Yes, every alien planet is Vancouver. Yes, most aliens look exactly like humans. That was what Stargate could pull off with its budget, and it did so very, very well. Partnered with a great writing team, and you've got a wonderful show that still holds up in many ways today.
Now, people are expecting TV shows to look like blockbuster movies, and that's just not feasible anymore. Some shows manage to pump in enough money to pull that sort of thing off, but for the most part, they're pumping more and more money to work VFX and CGI artists even harder under worse time constraints to make a show that's a visual mess. There is no more consistency.
I miss episodic shows. With the rise of streaming it seems like most shows that are made today are serialized with some overarching plot and characters going through arcs and stuff. There haven't really been like a new Spongebob, The Simpsons, Full House, or you know that type of sitcom style show, on any streaming sites that I'm aware of, or they get cancelled (like Inside Job on Netflix which I loved, r.i.p.), I miss a show that I can just get lost in seeing the characters go through different situations week to week. I'm tired of all these dramas or dramedy series they keep pushing.
Budgets and timelines are going up, quality is going down. A paradox indeed.
I miss when we had 22 episode seasons and waited half a year between seasons. I think the subscription model bears much of the blame. It's too profitable to keep people paying every month.
Buffy had 7 seasons and 144 episodes from 1996-2003. I miss the efficiency of 90s-00s shows with 24 episode seasons
This also has to do with the lack of running pilot episodes. Instead, the entire season is the pilot.
If these shorter seasons were the length they needed to effectively tell their stories, I'd be fine with that. But in most cases, it's obviously not- shows like Arcane S2 and Creature Commandos would have benefitted from a bit more breathing room and more space to tell the stories they were wanting to tell, but they clearly didn't get it and as a result things feel crammed. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that Creature Commandos was supposed to be eight episodes but one got cut, because seven feels like such a weird number of episodes for a tv show, even with the shrinking numbers
1:19 that makes me sad, breaking bad/better call saul was always a better quality show than game of thrones even when got was still some of the best tv and the breaking bad universe did not cost that much money to make. It was just pure quality writing with excellent performances and it is regarded as the best tv shows ever made
I feel like I’m one of the few people who never got into Stranger Things (for no particular reason) despite hearing about it for years and I was genuinely floored when you said the final season still hadn’t been released yet 🤯
i got into it after season 4 came out, long after its peak hype in the culture, binged it and loved it. But now its been so long between seasons that idc about it all.
Studios are also requiring an entire season’s scripts to be written before production can start. It’s a vastly different model than original cable.
A big problem I'm finding in this era of shows either 1) being cancelled after one or two seasons even if it's well-received or 2) taking 1.5-3 years for a new season rather than having a full season every year (whether 6 episodes or 24 episodes) is that it has become increasingly hard to get truly invested in a show. Even if I enjoy a new show that drops, it's like, well they'll probably come out a month or two later and say it's cancelled. Or they'll say it's picked up but then I'll be waiting years to see it again. By the time a new season comes out, I have probably forgotten what happened or maybe even straight up forgot I watched it since a million other things have come out since then. It's just not the same as it was 10-15 years ago.
When Stranger Things came out I was 15 years old going into freshman year. By the time the last season comes out I’ll be 24, at my next 2nd duty station being in the Army since 2020. My god I feel old as hell
I only recently discovered Shrinking, and having TWENTY TWO EPISODES already out to enjoy is so satisfying 🙌
The Day netflix cancelled one of the greatest animated TV show ever Inside Job was the day I became a pirate
I'm so sad we lost inside job 😭
@smooveayy The worst part is that they didn't even give the series a chance they created just 1 season and decided to split it into two and cancelled it before it had a chance to get a fan base.
The Handmaid’s Tale is one of my favorite shows I don’t see anyone talking about in the comments but it’s taking so long to make the last season. Same with HOTD except their season 2 wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. It’s agonizing waiting and I wish there was something we can do about it
IKR? At this point I'm just waiting for the spinoff (The Testaments) cus I feel like they're prepping for it too. Let's hope that show has a one-and-done season.
Facts it's years now isn't it for last season I keep checking every 3 to 6 months lol 😂it's getting made but who knows when
Another reason why there is so little retention of viewers between seasons is that all the episodes are released at the same time, making viewers binge the show in a couple of days, being really excited about it for a couple of weeks and then inevitably forgetting about the show because there’s no marketing around it happening, and no regular (weekly) releases to keep the show fresh in people’s memories and excited for the next season
At this rate i am going to see 5 to 6 more squid game seasons in my lifetime
Get some help
It's insane how only 20 years ago, Buffy put out 7 seasons, 6 of those with 22 episodes a piece.
Of the series that I have been watching, I feel that For All Mankind is the fastest that its productions have had.
Season 1(2019)
Season 2 (2021)
Season 3 (2022)
Season 4 (2023)
Season 5 (rumored for this year)
Probably a good thing! We think production intervals for many Hollywood tv shows (both live action and animated) and perhaps even a lot of anime shows are getting a bit too long for our comfort.
We went from House having 22 episodes a year to Severance taking 3 years to make 10 episodes 😢
Netflix started something different then ruined it on their own. Quite spectacular really
I’m so glad everyone has recognized how ridiculous it is to wait years between seasons with fewer episodes.
Now every show has superpowers and monsters so we need to wait for them to make CGI for them.
Im surprised you didnt mention the series commission issue. A lot of issues with these shows are that they arent being made with any actual intent, or are being converted from a movie and stretched out to be a tv show. This is mainly an issue with the disney+ shows but still. A lot of shows like Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan were clearly made either because they were commissioned with a "just make it happen" attitude, or converted from the movie they were supposed to be into a series without any actual direction on how to make the razor thin story last for as many episodes as they could.
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It's mindblowing that series such as 24 back in the day released 8 24 episodes + 1 movie in a 9 years spam and still holds as one of the best show on tv to this day
Learning from this video that Kaos was cancelled destroyed me. I knew 1899 was cancelled and grieved that already. But god, that gut punch was not needed. I’m honestly considering not watching Netflix anymore and telling everyone I know to cancel their subscriptions. From what you’ve said I might consider an Apple+ subscription.
Hadn’t watched the full video yet so I’m hearing Kaos was cancelled reading your comment.
Ugh, what a gut punch. That show was phenomenal. Netflix is ridiculous 😠
I also found out from this video. that's so sad. they should give shows time to find their audience instead of immediately cancelling them.
Slow Horses S1 were released in the same time as Severance. Now it has 4 seasons.
This is exactly why I dont watch that many shows. I do the same as you - I wait until there is more than one episode or until the show concludes because I dont want to invest my time and a show gets canceled. Biggest disappointment as of late was a show called Scavengers Reign on MAX. First season was amazing, but learned shortly after that they canceled it.
I also started buying 4Ks and Blu Rays of my favorite movies because I'm finding streaming services removing them for whatever reason and then can't find them anywhere
In the 1960s, TV shows commonly had 30 episodes per seasons, with each episode being 45 to 50 minutes long.
Second season of Batman'66 featured astounding 60 episodes, with each episode's being 25 minutes long. Back then, ABC often aired 2 episodes per week.
The show From is what comes to mind.... could have filmed the ENTIRE series in 3 or 4 years even with any strikes.
You are literally the first person I have heard who has watched 1899. Not as good as Dark, but by the end of the first season I was hooked and ready to go for inception on space.
Also, another great example of a lot of these trends you mentioned, both of quick development and delays, is Dragon Prince on Netflix. That show had 7 or 8 seasons greenlit at once if I’m not mistaken, but scandals and strikes threw in big delays when they were otherwise churning out new seasons quite quickly
I also watched it since I am a huge fan of Dark. It wasn't as good but I was shocked it got cancelled. It had so much potential.
I was furious and disappointed when they cancelled 1899. It was clearly building up to something interesting, despite the first season not being as good as Dark, but they took it away. The season was not as hooking as Dark but, by the end, it had potential.
@@e.vasileva5891 Most people didn't finish the season, which is one of those metrics that Netflix pays attention to.
Felt like a whole bunch of nothing happened in that show
And the writers had the whole story already planned out yet they were dropped.Production companies don't want take bets anymore , the only shows that get away are those with heavy product placement
I was just thinking about this recently. I really miss when we had one new episode of a show per week. When cartoon cartoon fridays was a thing we got like four shows with new episodes and when one was on hiatus between seasons we still have new episodes coming out. Instead of binging it in a week we had it for like 4 to 6 months per season
What annoys me most is how netflix is so clearly to blame for this but now they don't even wanna lay in their own bed because they realised that splitting a season up over multiple days/mby weeks or even months is a clever idea to keep viewers engaged😭💔
Netflix started the idea of binging shows and may have led to shorter seasons in North America, but the trope British brevity has been around for a while. There are some shows that work with more episodes and some that definitely need less. Netflix is switching how it releases it shows due the binge method not working very well to keep word of mouth, and to presumably get more content out quicker. On some cases some of they delay may not be the streaming service but company that they are licensing the material from.
disenchanted took so long between season, by the time the new one came out, I'd no idea what was going on
RIP "The Franchise". That show was brilliant. People will think it's satire, but those people have never been on a movie set.
Nothing will change for awhile but I can’t imagine people don’t forget about these shows it takes so long.
Theres also the problem of these eight episode seasons being too long with sooo much filler. Im talking about you Stranger Things
2 years later and im still pissed about the cancellation of “1889”. A show that was actually high quality with an original plot and not just fan service. But it was promoted poorly and cancelled only months after the release of season 1. Their reason was “it wasnt getting enough views.” Wtf? It was watched a lot in so many countries. But they expected people to finish a slowburn show in just a few weeks. The creators were the same people who made the tv series “Dark.” A slowburn show JUST LIKE 1889, but is arguably one of the only shows people can praise netflix about. If they cancelled Dark as quick as they cancelled 1889, no one wouldve even had the opportunity to watch a show as good as Dark. They completely ruined the potential for 1889 and never gave it a chance. And XO Kitty still got a season 2 lol. I cant wait for Netflix to finally fall off.
Stranger things came out 8.5 years ago? …
WTF.
Bravo to:
Game of Thrones S01-S06 doing for 10 episodes run, Mostly great and Blockbuster feel
for 6 years in a row
I was 14 when stranger things premiered holy shit
i was as old as will byers 😭
@@annalmao309happy 40th birthday
It’s not about increasing profit margins per-say, it’s about management trying to prove they are contributing. Shaving off 1% of cost here and there for short term gain at the expense of the big picture is symptomatic of poorly lead companies. The main role of many people in large companies is to continually justify their existence, shallow and sometimes harmful contributions is the ‘value’ these people add to the end product.
Shows can't breathe anymore. Not with people wanting zero filler episodes, zero filler characters, and every episode with as much action or plot as possible. Sitcom tv used to have longer seasons and air sooner bc there wasn't all this expectation! You could have a few breather episode where it's just fleshing out the world or characters, and viewers would still enjoy week to week.
People may not like slow, regular paced sitcoms or dramas--but they have a lot of value.
You’ve completely missed the point. Not to mention the fact that what you are describing is all that is fed to us in the media these days, so people have no choice but to consume it. I myself along with many others, I can assure you, absolutely still appreciate that type of content. But to blame to viewers here is quite ignorant when it’s the streaming services just trying to maximise their profit for shit quality shows.
All I hear is about how shows are so short that they just feel like one big movie. There’s no episodes that you can just chill with. You have to really focus and not do anything else. People do want good filler episodes to character build and move the story along.
Supernatural had almost 24 episodes in each season, relased one season each year and did that for 16 years!
They also don’t like releasing 2 big shows at the same time so even though one might be ready it is delayed a bit to release after one has aired. Dunk and egg will be ready for late spring / summer but will probably release in late fall so that it doesn’t overlap with other shows releasing on Max
At this point I'd rather rewatch old classics like Buffy than get invested in shows that get canceled or take 3 years for another season. I watched the Wilds and it freaking ended up a cliffhanger !! Was supposed to be 6 seasons and was only 2
Studios want that GOT money but they aren’t willing to take the same risks. That is probs why they also keep reworking existing media, instead of showcasing a new story.
Stranger Things: 42 episodes in 9 years (4.66 episodes per year).
Gunsmoke: 635 episodes in 20 years (31.75 episodes per year).
Gunsmoke produced 681.33% of Stranger Things' annual output.
I feel that a lot of money is just laundered in movies and Government construction projects. Just look at some of these things and there’s no way they cost that much.
I was 12 when Stranger Things came out. I'm 21 now. I'll be turning 22 this year.
They should honestly take at max 18 months to make a new show also they should increase episodes to like 13 per season.
Great video. After being burned too many times by falling in love with a show only to have it canceled without a resolution (Raised by Wolves, for example) I refuse to watch any show until it's completed and all seasons are available. This worked out especially well for me with Game of Thrones since I'd already heard how bad the ending was. I didn't watch the final season but looked on TH-cam for fan written alternative endings and didn't have to deal with the heartbreak that so many other fans did.
One thing I don't understand is why post production CGI takes so long and why it's so expensive. I know nothing about the industry, so I REALLY don't understand. Like, back in the days when they had to use real cars for crash scenes you'd think needing to purchase multiple cars would be more expensive than someone altering things on a computer program. I understand that's not the case, but don't know why. I'd love it if someone could explain that to me.
The same could be said for both animated shows and anime. Just look at Harley Quinn, Castlevania, Kite Man Hell Yeah, X-Men 97, Chainsaw Man, Loser Ranger, Zom 100, Hell’s Paradise, My Happy Marriage, Delicious in Dungeon and Jujutsu Kaisen. Those shows usually take 2, 3, 4 or even 5 years for a new season to come out. The main reason why is because of the animation of each show. The creative staves of each show want to make their series with the best quality ever. Another reason is due to scheduling issues as the companies who made these shows might have other projects to focus on.
Anime shows are booked years in advance and new seasons are seen as sequel series.
Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are probably taking awhile because of its high quality animation. Overworked animators aren’t going to take a month. However other anime have very standard limited animation and those taking this long for a second season are ridiculous. My Hero Academia is the only anime right now that’s coming out at a quicker and reasonable time.
@@SomeTH-camr1993 What about the Reze Arc movie? I've heard that's being released this year in 2025.
@@samflood5631 Uh ya, I know that. But it took 3 for this.
@@SomeTH-camr1993 I know, the movie is one of the few things I'm looking forward to this year in 2025. Maybe a bit longer for this movie to be in select theaters in America.
Meanwhile we are getting two Dexter shows in the same year, insane