As for the clutch feel, I recommend switching out the OEM clutch spring for the mtec clutch spring, it won't kick back as strong anymore makes it a lot more consistent through the gears.
I absolutely love the angle of the driving around town shots, accompanied by a pretty useful description of the most important aspects of daily driving a manual (clutch weight, shift smoothness, steering feel, etc). 99% of driving is exactly that even for sports cars so it's very refreshing to see a more normal car review this way
Someone else has probably commented, but the fake engine noise comes through its on own speaker that’s located behind the head unit. I find it to be so artificial sounding that I had the dealer disable it.
I’ve had this car for over a month and I feel like I’m no where near driving it proficiently. I haven’t driven manual for 2 years before getting this car and never really learned how to drive manual smoothly before that. I’m definitely seeing some improvement tho and the car is a blast to drive, even with keeping it under 4K for the break in period. Im at 850 miles so I’ll be taking the gloves off very soon 😈
Hi,Kirk.Thanks for uploading the new video. The scenery in Florida is amazing. The blue body is perfect for Florida. For daily use, the AT version GR86/BRZ with EyeSight would be useful. It will reduce the stress you feel especially in highway traffic.
You know. The auto was pretty decent when I drove it in NY! This isn't anywhere close to my favorite manual setup. The manual transmissions in the MX-5, Elantra N, Si, Civic HB, Integra, WRX are all better for different reasons (just my opinion). I'd put this with the GLI in terms of 6MT enjoyment.
Great review! I wanted to know how this car is to daily and you provided all of that. Is the Subaru variant any easier to daily drive, suspension and clutch?
Really want one of these but Toyota makes them so hard to get since you can’t order, they’re adding accessories a lot of ppl don’t want, many dealers are marking them up and we have the rtv issue!
@@MasonnYu They are all over the place in Cali, I know atleast 4 people that have a GR86. I’ve even borrowed one for the weekend and put 500 miles on it. It’s definitely my next car.
YO!! WHEN I SAW THE INTRO I WAS LIKE! That seems like where I live!! Ugh I want to get the 86 so bad! I wish I knew you were here so I could look at it!!
If just for a weekend car, then I'd take the MX-5, but if I had to daily, I'd take this GR86 hands down. That's if you're single. If you have a family, then Civic Si, please.
Thanks for the review, this topic was raised really important, but author tactfully kept silent about how to get around with a manual transmission in traffic jams 😄🤔
HI, DO YOU RECOMMEND OWNING THAT CAR SINCE THEY KEEP HAVING TOO MUCH GASKET IN THEIR OIL PAN AND LEAD TO LUBRICATION PROBLEMS? HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THE RECENT FIRE JUST AFTER REPAIR?
You're right, I do not like the clutch feel, shifter and the rev hang compared to my Miata. Like you've pointed out, you have to start gassing a bit before you even lift off the clutch at all to shift smoothly
Came out of a 2022 civic si to buy my 2022 gr86. I find the shifter to be more enjoyable to drive in the Toyota. And yes, it isn’t always easy to drive smoothly but that’s part of the challenge. I’m a year and 12k miles into ownership (my other car is an ND2 Miata) and I love it!
@@garrettstupperware3754 BRZ/86 if you are 6 foot tall or taller. I love the Miata, but it gets *cramped* for big guys (if you are a big guy!) because I certainly am lol!
You can typically adjust the engagement point of the clutch on the pedal with just a few turns of nuts/bolts. I can’t speak specifically to this car but I would imagine it would be similar to others.
I had a 2016 scion frs as a daily driver. It pretty much does the job for everything I needed. Commute to work, buy groceries, took people to airports, went shopping with it and much more. Only down side is buying larger items. That's to be expected for a small car.
I bought the 2022 BRZ and doubt I would keep it as a daily if I didn't autocross. I enjoy driving it but LOVE autocrossing it. If I were a city driver, I'd probably opt for a GTI or Elantra N with a dual-clutch transmission.
Not the easiest to shift or drive smoothly without some time, but when you get used to it, bc of how much work and focus you put it to finally be able to do it smoothly, it's soooo damn satisfying and rewarding. There is no other better option for a 6 speed, rwd car under 45k. The MX5 is great, but not practical
The Civic is a turbo so the low end torque and city drivability is expected. IMO the 86 and Miata are really more weekend cars that are more fun to wring out with the 86 more livable than the Miata.
I’m driving my 2022 BRZ daily, clutch and shifting is perfect and so much better then the last gen. Totally a fun drive, beckons to be driven. Can’t imagine a Honda Civic fwd being compared to this sports car 🧐
@@szn1580 you asked cost of ownership, biggest is gas, premium must be used but it gets 7.6 litres per 100 km or just over 30 mpg. Other then that I’ve only changed the oil at a moderate cost. No repairs at all, it’s so much fun, totally engaging with the manual transmission.
@@szn1580 I can confirm that one. The number of times I have been asked "Bro, whered you get the Supra?!?" or "Nice car!" is wild. I would say that is over, or near, triple digits in interactions, my wife and kid always laugh when it happens and the wife rolls her eyes and smiles. Its that common that we are used to it lol. As for scale 1-10 fun to drive (lets presume NOT in stop and go traffic for sake of discussion!) Its a solid 8.5. Its one of the most fun cars I have ever driven. The Miata is as fun and the GR Corolla is as fun as the 86 (in some ways more, in other ways less). As for Gas, its *passable* - I average 22 MPG but that is due to regularly aggressively driving and shifting local driving. When I take it to highway my best was right at 25 mpg on a longer trip. Its decent, but not great. The Civic SI (as a pertinent example) gets far better MPG by an order of magnitude and is still fun to drive. (6 out of 10 for the Civic SI. Very fun, but not as fun as a *real* RWD Sports Car).
some people complain , not enough power not enough this or that but if they upgraded certain things on this car it make it more expensive. Off the lot you are getting a lot of car and if someone wanted to increae power how hard would it be to give it a basic tune
Somehow i feel more comfortable to have an automatic rev-match function in place as a "fail-safe" if I didn't do a rev-match correctly. I think the 86/BRZ doesn't have it right? 🤔🤔
I test drove a gr86 premium and wrx limited back to back, I say if you love manual just go for wrx. It will give you the practicality/space, all season awd handy and all the 271 hp at your disposal. It is the better everday car next to civic si or integra. On a weekend cruise without kids and as a second car, if you have the extra money, this gr86 or miata rf.
I'm getting to understand that these cars have a problem with their engines, apparently there is an oil line that is becoming clogged, when this happens it causes oil starvation, which results in the engines blowing up.
There’s some apparent cases of RTV sealant issues for this vehicle. Hopefully Toyota/Subaru can resolve this issue before the engine dies from oil deprivation…
Had to tear down my 2013 fa20 last year. Just pulling the valve covers showed way too much RTV. Cam lobe was touching rtv at one point and basically shaped the rtv once dried .000000000000001 gap between the two.
As a stick shift learner I’m planning to buy a new brz as a daily.I rented a rf Miata before and i didn’t really like it,living in so-cal Where I mostly ride on long straight highway road and hills,everything on Miata is sporty but it’s real slow. I stalled a lot on hill since it got no hill start assist,I didn’t like the feeling of the clutch and shifting is no as smooth as Honda’s,now seems like I got no cheap rwd daily options lol
its you. trust me. The Honda S2000 I drive takes skill to drive smoothly because revs drop fast when driving slowly. The Miata also has similar characteristics especially in the first shift
I have to agree with the other guy…it’s definitely you. The MX5 has one of the best manuals you can get and is quite easy to drive for a 4 cylinder RWD car…
They will correct this, but it make us wonder why experiment with cheaper design solutions and go through this headache? No need to experiment with rtv when they could have done the correct thing with proven materials. Just another example of corporations taking shortcuts.
I've been set on one of these but just saw something about a problem Subarus have with a liquid gasket they use instead of rubber and metal gaskets that dissolve into the oil and can apparently lead to engine failure. Thank you for all of the comparisons. I might just forget it and go with an Integra or Miata instead. I've had a couple manual Hondas and really want that nice shifter feel. Looks and rear wheel drive be damned I guess.
Good info. More youtubers are also highlighting the silicone issue in the last few weeks. This is why buying a new model on the first year is an issue, they have to work the kinks out. I was looking for a 2024 purchase year for this car if I decide to pull the trigger on it.
Sorry but I would agree with the people that get either GR86 or BRZ over the Civic sport or Civic SI. As previous owner for these two platforms, I regret having the civic even though is practical. Annoying rev hang, annoying fake sensors, not true manual and just a lot of fakeness. If you want a better ride on the 86 just get the brz since the suspension is better set than the GR86 for the street. Again it just needed that power and the rest is perfect 86.
idk man, I heard there was problems with the RTV going into the oil pan and getting sucked up which caused oil starvation. As much as I want to get the car, I feel the major problem about the car itself is the engine. Subaru being a problem of being a subaru engine....
Driving around town in any manual is a lot of work...stop go stop go stop go. Why stress yourself driving manual in a busy city . I have the automatic toyota 86 2017 - living down here in Fort Lauderdale and it's not a bad car to drive around town. If you live in a city just buy the automatic car.
The clutch smelled pretty burnt every time I drove it in the beginning. I don't think I was really riding the clutch, although it was pretty difficult. It took lots of hours of driving to reduce the smell. Anyone else had this issue?
Was hoping you would talk about engine failures being caused by rtv all these cars are a ticking time bomb with so many brand new engines being blown up .I’m not hating I actually own a 2022 brz but am scared to drive it at this point unless Toyota or Subaru decide to do a recall
For everyday city driving, I'd choose the automatic transmission. It also comes with paddle shifters, so I'd get the full racecar experience driving along a twisty mountain road (or through FLA's orange groves!), which I'm sure would be a lot of fun in a GR86 / BRZ.
The automatic is a miserable transmission option for this car. It kills the 0-60 time and the shifting is unresponsive at best. If you want an automatic transmission I implore you to pick a different car. Of course, it's your money, and you can choose to spend it on an automatic GR86, but you will be disappointed.
The auto in SPORT MODE is a lot of fun without the manual shifting. It responds to how hard you hammer the throttle and apply some braking power as you ease it off. I found follow cars through corners they were using their brakes where I wasn't (I am not sure this is really a feature but is seems like it was engine braking every time I lightened up on the accelerator. ) Plus you have the paddles to play with too. Its a nice setup. The paddles are much better than playing with the stick sifter as when using paddles it will not let you over rev, it will after a short delay make the right shift, that was my experience. The floor stick will just leave you in the wrong gear.
As a 22BRZ owner I can tell you its a great daily driver. The fuel economy on premium kinda sucks for a little 4 banger, but other than that its really good. I will also say the new gen is "less slow" but still not fast. Its great on a race track, but on the street you will get owned by minivans and turbo crossovers driven by soccer moms all day.
@@ak740_ Sti and WRX are slow as balls from a roll. That isn't impressive. Take their violent launch out of the equation and they are big, heavy turds with massive turbo lag and AWD slowing them down. I can beat them in my 2.5 mazda 3 all day.
@@boost331 I’m not saying it’s impressive. But the fact that you’re losing to minivans shows you don’t know how to drive your car. Either that or you’re lying and don’t own the car
The reason for the so-so fuel economy is because a “regular/normal” 2.4L makes about 180-90hp, this one makes almost 230, thus the drop in mileage as a result
@@tinhinnh Its not making 230hp while cruising in 6th gear on the highway. Max power while under full throttle and fuel economy while cruising are completely unrelated. My 500HP mazdapeed 3 gets 32mpg. Explain that one to me.
The 2022 Mazda MX 5 cheapest model the Sport starts at around $27,000 & is as much fun as their more expensive models. The Toyota GR86 & & the Subaru models are good cars & have more room but they are far from the reliability of the Mazda that has been for more than 30 years & more reliable than many sports 5 times the price. The MAZDA 6 speed is one of the best in any sports car at any price. The Mazda only weighs about 2300 Lbs, Almost the same as the first 1990s model & gets much better gas mileage than their competition. The GR86 & the Subaru in 3 years will have lost thousands of dollars in value while the Mazda MX5 will only hold its value & go up in value. Just check the prices of their 3-year-old models.
Not a big deal.most OF these case are after they were repaired by dealers. so nothing wrong with the vehicle more like poor dealer service or like putting too much oil into the oil pan. then seepeed into the oil pan lol.
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 It is a big deal. Subaru can't make an engine that keeps running to save their life, and Toyota was foolish enough to think that had changed. Toyota needs to make their own engine, and drop Subaru's, or this car will NEVER be reliable. If you use this car at a track day or similar event, your warranty is void, even if the engine was destroyed by the RTV problem. I know in Europe the warranty covers track days and similar events, not sure about what the warranty policy is in Canada. Regardless, something with a Toyota badge on it should never suffer from abrupt catastrophic engine failure, it will cause great amounts of damage to Toyota's reputation for rock solid reliability. This is the 2nd car unworthy of the Toyota badge that it wears, the first being the "Supra" with a BMW engine.
They should have named this the gr Celica and the corolla gr 86. And in a perfect world This car would have the i3 in the gr corolla. Boxers are a drag for maintenance and fuel efficiency
Would have been nice if this would have been like the original…a Corolla on a RWD platform. I owned a ‘77 Corolla SR5 2 door hatch, a ‘81 Corolla 4 door, and a ‘85 Corolla GTS 2 door trunk. They were great. I was hoping for the same kind of thing when they brought this out originally. Could live with it but I think the engine wrecks the car.
I couldnt daily an 86. I need to keep my commuter and enthusiast cars separate. I dont want any compromises from either purpose. And man, i definitely wouldnt want an 86 in Florida. Poor car will never see what it was made for with all those flat straight roads, unless you hit a track.
? Of course. I only have 1 car lol. I said for me, i couldnt daily drive an 86/BRZ. Not practical or fuel efficient enough for me for what i need in a daily.
Dude, I have a daily driver. I dont own an 86 or other enthusiast car. I didn’t say i cant have 2 cars. I just don't currently own 2. Sold my enthusiast car about 3 months ago. Whats with the 3rd degree lol. I own 1 car and its not an 86. I love the 86 and would buy one. But i only have 1 car, its a 4 door daily driver hatchback, that the family and my dog are transported in. I wouldn't get rid of it to buy an 86 because the 86 wouldn't be practical daily for me. If i were to look for an enthusiast type car an 86 would probably be it (but not at the expense of losing my daily). If i can only have one car its not going to be an 86. I know there are enthusiast hatchbacks and sedans that make good all in ones. But full enthusiast car for me is rwd, small, light, manual.
the benchmark for the GR86 would be to beat a Honda Odyssey from a dig (without clutch dumping). The previous GR86 couldn't and this gen is neck-and-neck.
Yeah, our 2022 Touring (Canadian spec) is effing fast in a straight line it's mind blowing. Put it in sport and that vtech is just swaaaaeet!! I like the taste on brz/gr86s in the morning! lol
I had two 86 and both had engine failure ON BOTH yes it was the last 2 models of them but the boxer is just not good the engine bearings are not good. What killed both of mine was traffic . Guess what the very last one at 50 k had the engine replaced under warranty a week later I had to take it back because of codes and the car Literally Blew up like it caught on fire and completely burned down luckily the tech was ok . But I do not trust the boxers in these 86s . If you plan on having this for a while I would highly not recommend this car . I ended up getting money from this and just got a more reliable Trd Camry instead .
@@randomdude6190 Yea man , I had a feeling something would be going wrong , all cars build from the start of Covid to now are having problems; at least with Toyota, I would of thought they fixed these issues
@@KirkKreifels no problem! I have the video if you wanna see it one day 😂 and keep up the good work man ! Always getting my car information from here .
@@smilepermile8165 you clearly know nothing for one the 86 is based on the Celica chassis for two that Celica is the best handling FWD car Toyota ever made its not slower than the 86 as the power to weight ratio is actually better on the Celica only idiots think newer cars are always better Toyota's last at least 30 years until they need any major repairs the Celica is actually made by Toyota, its not FAKE-Toyota like this Subaru BRZ = Celica is higher build quality The 2ZZ-GE is way better than the Boxer crappy engines in the 86's and their massive recalls
@@smilepermile8165 and the Celica is like 10x times better looking and more practical with its better Liftback ... Can't stand boots on Coups or Sedan's = lame ass
@@TimBorg 'tHe cELicA iS lIKe 10x bEtTEr lOokiNg' - thats subjective and anecdotal biased opinion of yours. No one cares about your worthless opinion. Go cry with your celica fangirls
@@TimBorg More people thumbs up his comment than yours. ''tHe cELicA iS lIKe 10x bEtTEr lOokiNg' - thats subjective and anecdotal biased opinion of yours. No one cares about your worthless opinion. Go cry with your celica fangirls
I'm too tall for a car like this. I would be equally as cramped in this as a Camaro. Cars like this, while they are cool to its targeted audience, in my opinion, it would be useless for me. If you are the targeted audience for this car, enjoy it. I don't want to come off as stereotypical, but I think cars like this that appeal to us Gen Y'ers and Gen Z'ers are those who plan on staying single and don't plan on having a significant other or kids in their life. They're going to be someone who is only about the autocross and racetrack and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's a lifestyle and it's a hobby. Why shouldn't they? I'm not bashing anyone nor am I bashing the car for being what it is. There are much better choices for me, my lifestyle, and my needs and it's not even a price thing or horsepower thing. Practicality; 4-doors, a usable trunk, and spacious interior cabin is more directed for me.
Toyota doesn’t offer the best manuals but nothing a TRD short shifter can’t fix.😉. They should’ve just named this the Celica.🤪 It doesn’t deserve the “GR” moniker, IMO…to “normal” compared to the GR Corolla.
I’ve had this car for over a month and I feel like I’m no where near driving it proficiently. I haven’t driven manual for 2 years before getting this car and never really learned how to drive manual smoothly before that. I’m definitely seeing some improvement tho and the car is a blast to drive, even with keeping it under 4K for the break in period. Im at 850 miles so I’ll be taking the gloves off very soon 😈
looks are not completely subjective. that thing is objectively beautiful. its gorgeous. symmetry and proportions. curves and lines. glorious.
As for the clutch feel, I recommend switching out the OEM clutch spring for the mtec clutch spring, it won't kick back as strong anymore makes it a lot more consistent through the gears.
I absolutely love the angle of the driving around town shots, accompanied by a pretty useful description of the most important aspects of daily driving a manual (clutch weight, shift smoothness, steering feel, etc). 99% of driving is exactly that even for sports cars so it's very refreshing to see a more normal car review this way
Would easily take this over the brz twin
It’s amazing how Japanese brands except Mitsubishi are still making sports cars and sedans today
Agreed. Now we're stuck with that silly (but good IMHO) Eclipse Cross. Hopefully Mitsubishi goes bankrupt soon.
@@brianlee9233 they won’t, as a whole company mitsubishi is too big, at most they pull out of the american market
They aren't making these if you cant go and buy it. You can't go to the lot and buy it on the east coast. It's all hype
Too bad Mitsubishi didn’t make the Eclipse GSX again. Sad
Someone else has probably commented, but the fake engine noise comes through its on own speaker that’s located behind the head unit. I find it to be so artificial sounding that I had the dealer disable it.
It's quite loud! Glad there is a workaround
Got my GR86 in May of 2023 - Love it. It's great in daily traffic. The wife and (little) kid love it as well.
I’ve had this car for over a month and I feel like I’m no where near driving it proficiently. I haven’t driven manual for 2 years before getting this car and never really learned how to drive manual smoothly before that. I’m definitely seeing some improvement tho and the car is a blast to drive, even with keeping it under 4K for the break in period. Im at 850 miles so I’ll be taking the gloves off very soon 😈
Hi,Kirk.Thanks for uploading the new video. The scenery in Florida is amazing. The blue body is perfect for Florida. For daily use, the AT version GR86/BRZ with EyeSight would be useful. It will reduce the stress you feel especially in highway traffic.
You know. The auto was pretty decent when I drove it in NY! This isn't anywhere close to my favorite manual setup. The manual transmissions in the MX-5, Elantra N, Si, Civic HB, Integra, WRX are all better for different reasons (just my opinion). I'd put this with the GLI in terms of 6MT enjoyment.
Just the car itself isnt lol
Great review! I wanted to know how this car is to daily and you provided all of that. Is the Subaru variant any easier to daily drive, suspension and clutch?
This is the most honest review I have seen for this car on the whole internet. Thank you man.
Woah! Thanks so much for the kind words.
Really want one of these but Toyota makes them so hard to get since you can’t order, they’re adding accessories a lot of ppl don’t want, many dealers are marking them up and we have the rtv issue!
And it's fuel economy is awful for a NA 4 cylinder. (Yes I know it's a boxer)
I have great NEWS for you Avondale Toyota sells at MSRP and orders for you too!
Yep seen only 1 available around me. The dealer has it listed at $42k. Us normal guys aren’t realistically getting one for another year or two.
@@michaelsmith9308 how can they order for you when all dealers get is allocations?
@@MasonnYu They are all over the place in Cali, I know atleast 4 people that have a GR86. I’ve even borrowed one for the weekend and put 500 miles on it. It’s definitely my next car.
YO!! WHEN I SAW THE INTRO I WAS LIKE! That seems like where I live!! Ugh I want to get the 86 so bad! I wish I knew you were here so I could look at it!!
If just for a weekend car, then I'd take the MX-5, but if I had to daily, I'd take this GR86 hands down. That's if you're single. If you have a family, then Civic Si, please.
300th Like! Comprehensive review!!
Thanks for the review, this topic was raised really important, but author tactfully kept silent about how to get around with a manual transmission in traffic jams 😄🤔
What camera angle and mount are you using to get those interior shots? Looks great.
I've been waiting 6 months to get one a manual in this color. Toyota is really dropping the ball on making manual versions.
HI, DO YOU RECOMMEND OWNING THAT CAR SINCE THEY KEEP HAVING TOO MUCH GASKET IN THEIR OIL PAN AND LEAD TO LUBRICATION PROBLEMS?
HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THE RECENT FIRE JUST AFTER REPAIR?
You're right, I do not like the clutch feel, shifter and the rev hang compared to my Miata. Like you've pointed out, you have to start gassing a bit before you even lift off the clutch at all to shift smoothly
This is like a why to get a civic over a gr86 video lmao. Just love how the gr86 looks. So beautiful
Came out of a 2022 civic si to buy my 2022 gr86. I find the shifter to be more enjoyable to drive in the Toyota. And yes, it isn’t always easy to drive smoothly but that’s part of the challenge. I’m a year and 12k miles into ownership (my other car is an ND2 Miata) and I love it!
I need a new car. Wife has a Civic. No kids or dogs. MX5 or BRZ? (Daily commute is 8 miles each way)
@@garrettstupperware3754 BRZ/86 if you are 6 foot tall or taller. I love the Miata, but it gets *cramped* for big guys (if you are a big guy!) because I certainly am lol!
@@garrettstupperware3754 if I could only have one it’d be the gr86
You can typically adjust the engagement point of the clutch on the pedal with just a few turns of nuts/bolts. I can’t speak specifically to this car but I would imagine it would be similar to others.
Not this clutch
Live in the same city this is a perfect review
I had a 2016 scion frs as a daily driver. It pretty much does the job for everything I needed. Commute to work, buy groceries, took people to airports, went shopping with it and much more. Only down side is buying larger items. That's to be expected for a small car.
I bought the 2022 BRZ and doubt I would keep it as a daily if I didn't autocross. I enjoy driving it but LOVE autocrossing it. If I were a city driver, I'd probably opt for a GTI or Elantra N with a dual-clutch transmission.
RTV
What’s with the big bass in all
The stereos these days ?
Not the easiest to shift or drive smoothly without some time, but when you get used to it, bc of how much work and focus you put it to finally be able to do it smoothly, it's soooo damn satisfying and rewarding. There is no other better option for a 6 speed, rwd car under 45k. The MX5 is great, but not practical
this is a good review
The Civic is a turbo so the low end torque and city drivability is expected. IMO the 86 and Miata are really more weekend cars that are more fun to wring out with the 86 more livable than the Miata.
In FL, the MX-5 is more livable hahaha
While true, it’s a FWD.
@@Sixfigas the Mx-5 is rwd. It always has been.
@@Firstneko1 the Civic is not and that’s the car I was talking about. I know the MX5 is rwd.
@@Sixfigas I thought you were responding to kirk. my bad.
They catch on fire 🔥
I’m driving my 2022 BRZ daily, clutch and shifting is perfect and so much better then the last gen. Totally a fun drive, beckons to be driven. Can’t imagine a Honda Civic fwd being compared to this sports car 🧐
So much better? I mean.. it’s improved, but the previous Gen was always extremely good in the shifting department.
How is ownership costs? How is it on gas? Does it take regular? And how fun is it to drive scale 1-10
@@szn1580 you asked cost of ownership, biggest is gas, premium must be used but it gets 7.6 litres per 100 km or just over 30 mpg. Other then that I’ve only changed the oil at a moderate cost. No repairs at all, it’s so much fun, totally engaging with the manual transmission.
@@Tonga2 you get alot of looks and compliments? lol
@@szn1580 I can confirm that one. The number of times I have been asked "Bro, whered you get the Supra?!?" or "Nice car!" is wild. I would say that is over, or near, triple digits in interactions, my wife and kid always laugh when it happens and the wife rolls her eyes and smiles. Its that common that we are used to it lol. As for scale 1-10 fun to drive (lets presume NOT in stop and go traffic for sake of discussion!) Its a solid 8.5. Its one of the most fun cars I have ever driven. The Miata is as fun and the GR Corolla is as fun as the 86 (in some ways more, in other ways less).
As for Gas, its *passable* - I average 22 MPG but that is due to regularly aggressively driving and shifting local driving. When I take it to highway my best was right at 25 mpg on a longer trip. Its decent, but not great. The Civic SI (as a pertinent example) gets far better MPG by an order of magnitude and is still fun to drive. (6 out of 10 for the Civic SI. Very fun, but not as fun as a *real* RWD Sports Car).
some people complain , not enough power not enough this or that but if they upgraded certain things on this car it make it more expensive. Off the lot you are getting a lot of car and if someone wanted to increae power how hard would it be to give it a basic tune
How is it to heel toe if that’s something you do?
Somehow i feel more comfortable to have an automatic rev-match function in place as a "fail-safe" if I didn't do a rev-match correctly. I think the 86/BRZ doesn't have it right? 🤔🤔
manual rev-match only here.
I test drove a gr86 premium and wrx limited back to back, I say if you love manual just go for wrx. It will give you the practicality/space, all season awd handy and all the 271 hp at your disposal. It is the better everday car next to civic si or integra. On a weekend cruise without kids and as a second car, if you have the extra money, this gr86 or miata rf.
I'm getting to understand that these cars have a problem with their engines, apparently there is an oil line that is becoming clogged, when this happens it causes oil starvation, which results in the engines blowing up.
Yea from too much RTV silicone. They have had this issue for a while
Its a boxer engine so yeah dont expect reliability
There’s some apparent cases of RTV sealant issues for this vehicle. Hopefully Toyota/Subaru can resolve this issue before the engine dies from oil deprivation…
Furthermore, if you track the car, Toyota voids your warranty.
@@Jon-mo9ks even while they advertise this as a track car and offer free nasa membership for track events…ridiculous
Oil starvation not fuel
@@randomdude6190 yes *oil* you’re right
Had to tear down my 2013 fa20 last year. Just pulling the valve covers showed way too much RTV. Cam lobe was touching rtv at one point and basically shaped the rtv once dried .000000000000001 gap between the two.
Sold out here in the UK in 90 minutes 😉
Have you heard about the RTV Silicone issue with the new 22 BRZ and GR86?
Yes
gr 86 brz and mx5 are the best affordable sports cars. overall gr 86 and brz is the best.❤💙
@@darkivaz-aaa1145 your are right koreans always catch on fire.after all koreans do bbq very well .😂
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 mmh yes, koreanese indeed
Not if it nearly blows up because the silicone used to sealant ends up in the oil pan.
One question is it okay driving it in traffic?
good looking car
Funny my 9/22 build 2023 GR86 does not have a low grab point for my clutch at all. Nor is it heavy.
As a stick shift learner I’m planning to buy a new brz as a daily.I rented a rf Miata before and i didn’t really like it,living in so-cal Where I mostly ride on long straight highway road and hills,everything on Miata is sporty but it’s real slow. I stalled a lot on hill since it got no hill start assist,I didn’t like the feeling of the clutch and shifting is no as smooth as Honda’s,now seems like I got no cheap rwd daily options lol
its you. trust me. The Honda S2000 I drive takes skill to drive smoothly because revs drop fast when driving slowly. The Miata also has similar characteristics especially in the first shift
I have to agree with the other guy…it’s definitely you. The MX5 has one of the best manuals you can get and is quite easy to drive for a 4 cylinder RWD car…
My dream car
Really want one, but that RTV stuff is pretty concerning
They will correct this, but it make us wonder why experiment with cheaper design solutions and go through this headache? No need to experiment with rtv when they could have done the correct thing with proven materials.
Just another example of corporations taking shortcuts.
I've been set on one of these but just saw something about a problem Subarus have with a liquid gasket they use instead of rubber and metal gaskets that dissolve into the oil and can apparently lead to engine failure. Thank you for all of the comparisons. I might just forget it and go with an Integra or Miata instead. I've had a couple manual Hondas and really want that nice shifter feel. Looks and rear wheel drive be damned I guess.
Good info. More youtubers are also highlighting the silicone issue in the last few weeks. This is why buying a new model on the first year is an issue, they have to work the kinks out. I was looking for a 2024 purchase year for this car if I decide to pull the trigger on it.
Sorry but I would agree with the people that get either GR86 or BRZ over the Civic sport or Civic SI. As previous owner for these two platforms, I regret having the civic even though is practical. Annoying rev hang, annoying fake sensors, not true manual and just a lot of fakeness. If you want a better ride on the 86 just get the brz since the suspension is better set than the GR86 for the street. Again it just needed that power and the rest is perfect 86.
idk man, I heard there was problems with the RTV going into the oil pan and getting sucked up which caused oil starvation. As much as I want to get the car, I feel the major problem about the car itself is the engine. Subaru being a problem of being a subaru engine....
Of course it can. It's tough to get in and out.
Rev hang is a deal breaker
Yeah, it's more intrusive than Si/Integra's
I'll probably just buy one of these, play with it for a couple years and then just do engine swaps on this car, I feeling for a 1JZ swap into this.
My local dealer offered me the premium gr86 Automatic today without a mark up. The hype is dying down. If it was manual I would have bought it.
They are probably having a hard time selling it because of the automatic
@@chinchy111 Or someone bailed on it because of the souring economy.
You live in the wrong part of Florida then, because here in North Florida we've got all kinds of twisty back roads.
good small, little bit expensive, sporty car. Thank you Kirk.
Florida is really beautiful
Driving around town in any manual is a lot of work...stop go stop go stop go. Why stress yourself driving manual in a busy city . I have the automatic toyota 86 2017 - living down here in Fort Lauderdale and it's not a bad car to drive around town. If you live in a city just buy the automatic car.
The clutch smelled pretty burnt every time I drove it in the beginning. I don't think I was really riding the clutch, although it was pretty difficult. It took lots of hours of driving to reduce the smell. Anyone else had this issue?
There’s also break in smells
Was hoping you would talk about engine failures being caused by rtv all these cars are a ticking time bomb with so many brand new engines being blown up .I’m not hating I actually own a 2022 brz but am scared to drive it at this point unless Toyota or Subaru decide to do a recall
Hey mate! Honestly, I don't know enough about the issue to confidently talk on it. I hope your car is bulletproof and every other new brz/gr86
@@KirkKreifels no worries man still a great video nonetheless thanks for giving us great content
Every car is affected, including some of the 2023s that have been delivered recently.
@@lamesamelame same here, holding off to see what comes out of this. Not really into gambling. Now, imagine these cars once out of warranty...
@@deniscdyck That is 5 years down the road unless you make it off warranty.
A drop top GR86 would be nice…
Yea...Miata fits the bill haha
Can it handle RTV tho
as much fun as driving stick is, im gonna get the auto because I'm gonna daily it
For everyday city driving, I'd choose the automatic transmission. It also comes with paddle shifters, so I'd get the full racecar experience driving along a twisty mountain road (or through FLA's orange groves!), which I'm sure would be a lot of fun in a GR86 / BRZ.
Have you seen the POV driving videos of the auto GR86/BRZ by TheTopher? He showed how laggy the downshifts are.
Get manual transmission. Don't be lazy😂
I think you meant to say, “ For everyday city driving, I’d choose a different car”
The automatic is a miserable transmission option for this car. It kills the 0-60 time and the shifting is unresponsive at best. If you want an automatic transmission I implore you to pick a different car. Of course, it's your money, and you can choose to spend it on an automatic GR86, but you will be disappointed.
Should do a left leg torture test by driving in down town San Francisco lol
How about an Automatic for daily driving? Thinking about grabbing one
The auto in SPORT MODE is a lot of fun without the manual shifting. It responds to how hard you hammer the throttle and apply some braking power as you ease it off. I found follow cars through corners they were using their brakes where I wasn't (I am not sure this is really a feature but is seems like it was engine braking every time I lightened up on the accelerator. ) Plus you have the paddles to play with too. Its a nice setup. The paddles are much better than playing with the stick sifter as when using paddles it will not let you over rev, it will after a short delay make the right shift, that was my experience. The floor stick will just leave you in the wrong gear.
Don't be basic
I love the 90s vibe this has!!! So sexy
80's too!
It's like a modern day 240sx
As a 22BRZ owner I can tell you its a great daily driver. The fuel economy on premium kinda sucks for a little 4 banger, but other than that its really good. I will also say the new gen is "less slow" but still not fast. Its great on a race track, but on the street you will get owned by minivans and turbo crossovers driven by soccer moms all day.
You’re doing something wrong then. I beat a last gen sti on a 40 roll in my gr86. Shouldn’t be losing to mini vans
@@ak740_ Sti and WRX are slow as balls from a roll. That isn't impressive. Take their violent launch out of the equation and they are big, heavy turds with massive turbo lag and AWD slowing them down. I can beat them in my 2.5 mazda 3 all day.
@@boost331 I’m not saying it’s impressive. But the fact that you’re losing to minivans shows you don’t know how to drive your car. Either that or you’re lying and don’t own the car
The reason for the so-so fuel economy is because a “regular/normal” 2.4L makes about 180-90hp, this one makes almost 230, thus the drop in mileage as a result
@@tinhinnh Its not making 230hp while cruising in 6th gear on the highway. Max power while under full throttle and fuel economy while cruising are completely unrelated. My 500HP mazdapeed 3 gets 32mpg. Explain that one to me.
I want a Toyota MR2 2025 😃 .
Does this reminds anyone of the Scion FRS?
It's literally the refreshed second generation of that exact car.
The 2022 Mazda MX 5 cheapest model the Sport starts at around $27,000 & is as much fun as their more expensive models. The Toyota GR86 & & the Subaru models are good cars & have more room but they are far from the reliability of the Mazda that has been for more than 30 years & more reliable than many sports 5 times the price. The MAZDA 6 speed is one of the best in any sports car at any price. The Mazda only weighs about 2300 Lbs, Almost the same as the first 1990s model & gets much better gas mileage than their competition. The GR86 & the Subaru in 3 years will have lost thousands of dollars in value while the Mazda MX5 will only hold its value & go up in value. Just check the prices of their 3-year-old models.
I keep seeing posts about these catching fire and having engine issues. Not sure what’s going on, as I didn’t read into it.
Not a big deal.most OF these case are after they were repaired by dealers. so nothing wrong with the vehicle more like poor dealer service or like putting too much oil into the oil pan. then seepeed into the oil pan lol.
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 It is a big deal. Subaru can't make an engine that keeps running to save their life, and Toyota was foolish enough to think that had changed. Toyota needs to make their own engine, and drop Subaru's, or this car will NEVER be reliable. If you use this car at a track day or similar event, your warranty is void, even if the engine was destroyed by the RTV problem. I know in Europe the warranty covers track days and similar events, not sure about what the warranty policy is in Canada. Regardless, something with a Toyota badge on it should never suffer from abrupt catastrophic engine failure, it will cause great amounts of damage to Toyota's reputation for rock solid reliability. This is the 2nd car unworthy of the Toyota badge that it wears, the first being the "Supra" with a BMW engine.
Sounds like it could use a lighter flywheel.
It can drift stock. That's something you can't say about a miata.
I’m sure that lil 4 cylinder engine does excellent in traffic😂
They should have named this the gr Celica and the corolla gr 86. And in a perfect world
This car would have the i3 in the gr corolla.
Boxers are a drag for maintenance and fuel efficiency
Would have been nice if this would have been like the original…a Corolla on a RWD platform. I owned a ‘77 Corolla SR5 2 door hatch, a ‘81 Corolla 4 door, and a ‘85 Corolla GTS 2 door trunk. They were great. I was hoping for the same kind of thing when they brought this out originally. Could live with it but I think the engine wrecks the car.
Where I live these cars are all marked way up.
The car was taylor MADE for traffic.
I couldnt daily an 86. I need to keep my commuter and enthusiast cars separate. I dont want any compromises from either purpose. And man, i definitely wouldnt want an 86 in Florida. Poor car will never see what it was made for with all those flat straight roads, unless you hit a track.
not everyone can afford 2 cars
? Of course. I only have 1 car lol. I said for me, i couldnt daily drive an 86/BRZ. Not practical or fuel efficient enough for me for what i need in a daily.
@@danny2607 then what do you mean by " I need to keep my commuter and enthusiast cars separate" there is nothing to separate if you only own one lmao
Dude, I have a daily driver. I dont own an 86 or other enthusiast car. I didn’t say i cant have 2 cars. I just don't currently own 2. Sold my enthusiast car about 3 months ago. Whats with the 3rd degree lol. I own 1 car and its not an 86. I love the 86 and would buy one. But i only have 1 car, its a 4 door daily driver hatchback, that the family and my dog are transported in. I wouldn't get rid of it to buy an 86 because the 86 wouldn't be practical daily for me. If i were to look for an enthusiast type car an 86 would probably be it (but not at the expense of losing my daily). If i can only have one car its not going to be an 86. I know there are enthusiast hatchbacks and sedans that make good all in ones. But full enthusiast car for me is rwd, small, light, manual.
@@danny2607 oh gotcha
Miata drop dead gorgeous 🤦♂️
The car market ruined the car for me.
A manual Gr86 cost nearly the same as a Supra 2.0 and that's with all the negative aspects for a daily use.
MAN I WANT AND NEED THIS CAR BRUH! But damn jobs don’t pay high enough for this. Someone hook me up with a better job
These thangs have been catching on fire
It is just criminal that a car that is 30 thousand USD, when it comes to Europe, it is well over 60 thousand Euros, for the starter edition...
The title lol. I mean of course it obviously can it weighs 2 lbs… the original one stock can as well. You can get to 90 mph on a short onramp so duh.
the benchmark for the GR86 would be to beat a Honda Odyssey from a dig (without clutch dumping). The previous GR86 couldn't and this gen is neck-and-neck.
hahaha my 10 speed elite on Sport mode would eat up BRZ for fun.
Maybe neck and neck from a dig with a good manual driver. From a roll at any speed that minivan will leave a BRZ behind like a fart in the wind.
@@boost331 true, in most real world scenarios, the Odyssey is walking the BRZ.
Yeah, our 2022 Touring (Canadian spec) is effing fast in a straight line it's mind blowing. Put it in sport and that vtech is just swaaaaeet!! I like the taste on brz/gr86s in the morning! lol
I had two 86 and both had engine failure ON BOTH yes it was the last 2 models of them but the boxer is just not good the engine bearings are not good. What killed both of mine was traffic . Guess what the very last one at 50 k had the engine replaced under warranty a week later I had to take it back because of codes and the car Literally Blew up like it caught on fire and completely burned down luckily the tech was ok . But I do not trust the boxers in these 86s . If you plan on having this for a while I would highly not recommend this car . I ended up getting money from this and just got a more reliable Trd Camry instead .
They have the RTV silicone issue, they still haven't fixed it in the gr 86. It's sad
Thanks for sharing your crazy experience!
@@randomdude6190 Yea man , I had a feeling something would be going wrong , all cars build from the start of Covid to now are having problems; at least with Toyota, I would of thought they fixed these issues
@@KirkKreifels no problem! I have the video if you wanna see it one day 😂 and keep up the good work man ! Always getting my car information from here .
I would still rather buy a 2005 Celica ;-) and have thousands left over to spend on upgrades
a 20+ year old FWD 💩?
@@smilepermile8165 you clearly know nothing
for one the 86 is based on the Celica chassis
for two that Celica is the best handling FWD car Toyota ever made
its not slower than the 86 as the power to weight ratio is actually better on the Celica
only idiots think newer cars are always better
Toyota's last at least 30 years until they need any major repairs
the Celica is actually made by Toyota, its not FAKE-Toyota like this Subaru BRZ = Celica is higher build quality
The 2ZZ-GE is way better than the Boxer crappy engines in the 86's and their massive recalls
@@smilepermile8165 and the Celica is like 10x times better looking and more practical with its better Liftback ...
Can't stand boots on Coups or Sedan's = lame ass
@@TimBorg 'tHe cELicA iS lIKe 10x bEtTEr lOokiNg' - thats subjective and anecdotal biased opinion of yours. No one cares about your worthless opinion. Go cry with your celica fangirls
@@TimBorg More people thumbs up his comment than yours. ''tHe cELicA iS lIKe 10x bEtTEr lOokiNg' - thats subjective and anecdotal biased opinion of yours. No one cares about your worthless opinion. Go cry with your celica fangirls
I'm too tall for a car like this. I would be equally as cramped in this as a Camaro.
Cars like this, while they are cool to its targeted audience, in my opinion, it would be useless for me.
If you are the targeted audience for this car, enjoy it. I don't want to come off as stereotypical, but I think cars like this that appeal to us Gen Y'ers and Gen Z'ers are those who plan on staying single and don't plan on having a significant other or kids in their life. They're going to be someone who is only about the autocross and racetrack and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's a lifestyle and it's a hobby. Why shouldn't they?
I'm not bashing anyone nor am I bashing the car for being what it is. There are much better choices for me, my lifestyle, and my needs and it's not even a price thing or horsepower thing. Practicality; 4-doors, a usable trunk, and spacious interior cabin is more directed for me.
Just a rebadged Subaru as a daily driver
automatic for me
initial-D
Toyota doesn’t offer the best manuals but nothing a TRD short shifter can’t fix.😉. They should’ve just named this the Celica.🤪 It doesn’t deserve the “GR” moniker, IMO…to “normal” compared to the GR Corolla.
If you can’t daily a stock GR86 you are soft 😂
Nice car but too small with no power
Honda/Acura makes the best affordable manual vehicles......
Baby toy car
OH NO NOT ANOTHER 2 SEAT SPORTS CAR.🤑 HOW MUCH IS THIS ONE GOING TO COST????🤑
It has a backseat (small)
@@derrickp wHAT is the cost of this going to be? This isn't the one coming out with 300 hp is it?
@@microminiskirt it has been out for a while you can go on Toyotas website and build one out to get mrsp
@@derrickp tHE GR Corolla? I have gone to Toyota website and it isn't user friendly. Instead I go down to local dealership to read.
$30k
My nigga listening to pac in the whip 😂😂
I’ve had this car for over a month and I feel like I’m no where near driving it proficiently. I haven’t driven manual for 2 years before getting this car and never really learned how to drive manual smoothly before that. I’m definitely seeing some improvement tho and the car is a blast to drive, even with keeping it under 4K for the break in period. Im at 850 miles so I’ll be taking the gloves off very soon 😈