This was a wonderful review that really described how I feel about my car. I have a premium manual in trueno blue, and I honestly can say I am more in love with this car than anything else. Everyday is a joy to drive it. I find myself taking the long way home just to drive it more. The connection, the rawness, the light carefree nature, everything brings a smile to my face. Truly this car has saved me. I was so depressed driving my awful car everyday to work for 6 years while I saved and saved and when I saw the ad for this car I knew this was it. Now my life is amazing and this car really saved me. I will never get rid of it. One thing I’d recommend to new owners: Do the led swap kit from ftspeed. The interior lights, door lights, and reverse lights being LED make this car feel like a $60,000 car and just gives it that little bit of style. That being said, Toyota and Subaru did an amazing job. And what an excellent review. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experience and the awesome words. It’s amazing the kind of joy some cars can give us, and how it can truly lift us up. I hope they never stop making these.
I agree that the BRZ and the 86 are great for learning proper driving techniques. I would also recommend that buyers look into a low-mile C6 corvette with a 6MT. We bought a '12 C6 in pristine condition with only 11k miles for 27k and after adding Bilstein sport shocks with Michelin PS 4s tires the car has amazing handling and it is a blast to drive. Still debating trading in our '18 Civic SI for a new BRZ or 86 which would I feel would be a great daily driver. Also the 2.4L NA engine may very well be more reliable than these newer small displacement turbo engines. Great review!
I was cross shopping the 86 and Corvettes and ended up with a C5 Z06. Lovely car but has some gremlins I need to take care of as it's almost 20 years old...
@@tone3560 You clearly don't know how reliable the C6 with the LS3 and TR6060 is then. Do some research, many guys are getting 250k+ without any major repairs.
@@chrish8487 Im aware of the longevity of the ls3 and it is tempting. Plus finding a low mileage use 08+ C6 under 30k is pretty hard to do plus financing a used sports car with double the apr of a new car is just more deterring. If you had cash to just outright pay for it that maybe the determining factor for most. Buying a used sports car is trying to buy a used condom. haha
Have owned this car (Premium Raven) for a few days, and so far it has lived up to (if not surpassed) expectation. The look is hard to appreciate if you havent seen it in person, yes its small (which I was a little worried about) but immediately when you see it those worries go away, the thing has a nice presence about it. Only two things so far I wish were different are the high catch point on the clutch, and the turn signal indicator not sticking, but its not something you cant adjust to.
Look up how to change the engagement point on the clutch. Mine was the same and I changed it. Took all of 10 mins and really improved how the car drives.
"If you don't look back at your car after you parked it, you have the wrong car" - true, same thing goes for ... OK, I'd better stop, will get into trouble even if it's true :-)
You do an amazing review. I’m sold! I’ve been trying to find a sports car with a manual transmission that won’t break the bank, This one looks like it will do it! Keep up the great reviews!
Very good in depth review, even shots of highway driving and curves. Very convinced to pick one up in the next couple years. The available colors and 2.4 liter engine definitely sold me.
Had a Celica back in the day, just got the 2023 and I feel like a teenager all over again. Not the fastest thing out there, but it’s definitely a blast to drive!
Got my '23 BRZ back in November. Love it to bits. Fun and comfy to drive and I know for certain I have a unique vehicle as around here I have only seen ONE other 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86 and just two old and very dirty FRSs. It's definitely filled my need for a manual car so I'm now lookin' to sell my manual V6 S197 even though I love it dearly, but I still want a newer S550 GT as the one thing a BRZ cannot fulfill is that awesome feeling of a Coyote rumbling and roaring.
Went from a base2018 brz new to a premium gr86, the steering feel was better slightly on the first gen, but man everything else is way more refined. By the way, hold the trac off and track button together and you remove all the nannies except ABS and can do the funnies
Was thinking about getting one, the limited availability in europe, and some concerns about the power/torque lead me to buy a new mk4 Focus ST instead. Seeing the engine problems I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one, but I expect subaru to deal with the issues and fix it in the future. If the prices are somewhat reasonable, I'm thinking about picking one up next year as a summer-car.
You made the right choice. Subarus are famous for being shitboxes with oiling and head gasket issues, plus their transmissions are made of glass. You'd be so much better off buying American.
I have an m240i on order, but I've honestly been considering cancelling it in favor of picking up a GR86 and learning stick shift. The package that Toyota / Subaru has put together with this car just seems like such incredible value, and while the m240i is an absolute rocket ship, the GR86 just seems like more of a joyful car to drive.
8:45 say it loud for the ppl in the back 😤 ppl have got to realize that this car is still practical and you dont need a heavy set car to have practicality
For fun and overall enjoyment as a driver there miata is always the answer. If you're planning on it being your only car the 86 is more practical, but I personally find the miata ND to be excellent as a daily
@@ArkhamJacks dude I’ve been looking for one and I found a base model club (no bbs, brembo, etc), which is the one I want. But them mfs selling it for $41K, before any financing. It’s absurd. It’s supposed to sell for like $31K smh. I was ready to trade my Mazda 6 in for one, but at this price point, hell nah. I think I need to wait till right when the 2023 model comes out next year and place a special order.
@@HisMajesty99 brooo used car market is f u c k e d. I went in to look at a used 2020 rf GT model around january , the price was so horrendous that I managed to get them to sell me a brand new 2022 one for the price they were asking for the used one. Only downside it arrived about a month ago 😂
@@ArkhamJacks the one I’m talking abt is new actually, but it’s like the only one left, so they jacked up the price. But yeah the used market especially is fucked too. At least you got one tho, better late than never! Enjoy your new car man! Hope it’s as fun as you expected!
Alfa Romeo Guilia has even better steering. And I love 86's but Guilia is in a league of its own with 11.8 steering ratio. In my mind its the only one better in steering then 86, since the steering quality is the same in both QV and base 20k models.
It has enough power at sea level, but I live at 4300 feet of elevation. The canyon roads around me probably go up to 6500 feet so I assume it will be a little week on power up here. I do agree on the looks, its my problem with the Supra, its tough to pay a lot of money on a sports car that you don't think looks great. But this GT86 is a really really good looking sports car, just wish it was a little higher end.
Where I live it’s about 4600 at the low end at 8300+ at the high end. The car definitely does not feel as powerful as it does in texas, but also every one of us is at a disadvantage around here so it all works out :D.
This car is one of those cars that just look marvelous to look ar in person. If you rolled up in a mercades and a gr86 and tried to pick up some women i can bet everytime that they will go for the gr86.
What is the actual price of this car as I'm so sick of people just quoting MSRP as that is complete BS. This car may be worth the MSRP but is it worth some stupid markup?
@@On2thakneppz1 you can get one easily at msrp…put in a little bit of work, read, join the forums. There’s dealers posting msrp manual cars available daily.
Thinking about getting this as my first car (but automatic). Passed my drivers test last year and i’ve been driving my moms rav4 occasionally… I don’t really like it when it comes to parking that thing out here in socal 😩 How about the safety features and safety crash tests in the automatic version? Do you have a video on that? Thanks
I won’t have a video on safety, but if you want the safety features, you’ll have to get the automatic, like you intended. Should have adaptive cruise, pre collision stuff, and lane departure warning.
Anybody who's reviewed this car says to stay away from the automatic and I'd agree. It's a drivers car and part of that experience is being able to change your own gears. It's not hard to learn either.
Have to say, keeping your self in the passenger seat, a great angle works well and your commentary over the b-roll works well. So much better than when reviewer is driving and talking and then cutting between and the audio just not working that well due to background noise. Great work and look forward to watching more! Subscribed :)
I've watched a dozen+ reviews on this car. I kept trying to figure out why I couldn't stop watching yours. Then it clicked at the end: Zero background music. Love it! You kept both the shots AND the audio track clean. Just pure information; zero fluff. Subscribed! PS: Another differentiator? The overhead drone shots. So cool to see the car from all those new angles. Stellar work!
Why is this reviewer the only one praising the steering/handling of the car? All other reputable reviewers are saying the 1st gen car has better steering.
Couldn’t agree more. I just got mine, Premium Trim. It’s the first new car I’ve ever owned and I bought it despite not ever test driving it OR seeing it. I was blown away. I’ve had the privilege of driving a very wide variety of cars and nothing has put a smile on my face quite like this car. It’s nimble, quick, and stylish. You point the car where to go, and it goes there. And I definitely look back at it every time I park it. If you can get your hands on one, do it.
🚙That's awesome man. I'm also looking at a Premium Trim in Halo with Manual. I still have not test driven it but I'm so excited to be moving to this 86. I'm coming from an M235 AT. I just want something more reliable / MT / and morecost effective w maintenance. The GR86 (even though less in power) seems to be such a beautiful Coupe and sporty. Congrats on your 86! @Ty Young
I’d assume these will continue to have a great resale value too. Even if electric cars take over, someone is going to want to drive something like this
I've been considering a used 718 Cayman for a while, but this was the car that actually changed my mind after getting behind the wheel of both. Don't get me wrong - stock for stock, the 718 is the superior car, but I honestly felt that the GR86 was better value for the money... for the price of a used Cayman, I could buy two of these brand new and while I love the 718, I really loved what I experienced in the GR86 as well. Now I'm just playing the waiting game - my local dealer is expecting to get allocated a 2023 Special Edition and I've got a deposit on it with the option to go for a Premium if they don't get the allocation. If you had told me a few years ago that I could afford a Porsche, but would buy a Toyota over it, I'd have laughed at you - these little things are amazing.
@@andrewrossnagel9433 You're right - I felt that it was better from an objective performance standpoint, but the level of engineering put into it has really removed some of the driving passion. It's a car that's all-business, so it doesn't feel anywhere near as playful as the GR86, it's the same reason I've said that I'd consider a GT350, but the new GT500 just isn't as fun. Some people want a car that's a monster in its niche, but if I'm buying a sports car I want it to be something that's fun and that's what the GR86 delivers over the 718.
@@Dreznin exactly. It did what you asked but it felt disconnected. Better lap times? Yes. Better time? Nope! Im gonna pick up a BR86 in a year or 2 when everything calms down and track it over my M3.
Similar experience for me. Sounds insane, but I actually had a deposit on a Cayman GT4. Drove the GR86, then immediately canceled my GT4 order. Of course the GT4 is a superior car, but I just couldn't justify spending 4x more money when the GR86 probably gives me 90% of the same fun factor.
There are some pretty significant suspension differences with how Toyota and Subaru tune and setup suspension on these cars. Can’t go wrong with either, but Toyota does ride a bit stiffer around town.
I have the 2023 subaru brz, it gets an average of 28 mpg, and it’s 2,700 lbs, I have no issues with acceleration or speed, it’s an absolutely phenomenal experience to drive. no one around has anything like it so it turns a lot of heads
When I first had my 01’ alpine white/imola red E46 M3 back in 2000 it checked all the things you talked about in this video. Now patiently waiting for my sapphire blue 23’ BRZ premium manual to be delivered to revisit that feeling of checking back after parking, taking the long way home, fine excuse to drive, etc.
Great insights! I got my 2013 BRZ brand new when it launched and never seriously considered getting rid of it. Then Toyota enters the room and releases the GR Supra, GR86 and GR Corolla. Car enthusiasts are spoiled with options right now. Lol
I haven’t driven the GR Corolla yet, but out of the three, the GR86 would be my choice. The GR Supra is great, but the price, steering, and handling of the GR86 makes it the best performance buy.
Considering there are no new cars anymore under 10K (I think? Right?) and due to profit margins, the expensive fuel economy technology in large crossovers make them as fuel efficient as inexpensive small hatchbacks. So yeah, ICE cars will only drop in price when governments start cracking down on them even more than now
Great video! I traded in my 2020 86 (which I truly loved) for a 22 Track bRed GR86 Premium and I absolutely LOVE IT! I am looking forward to hitting some of the winding runs in NC in October to see how it compares to the 2020 model. I think with the tighter tuned suspension, frame strengthening for less body roll that it is REALLY gonna be a LOT of fun!
I love your comment "If you don't look back at your car after you park it - you've bought the wrong car" - I so often look back at my Prius when I park it & walk away. You just confirmed for me that I bought the right car (for me)! 🥰
These flat4 are bad at fuel efficiency, especially with the manual. I rarely get my gt86 under 10l/100km doing regular driving at average speeds. Almost the same as my C350... 1.7 tons 3.5 V6 272hp 2007. Ridiculous!
From my understanding when a car is rear wheel drive it tends to get worse mpg too since the engine has to move the long drive shaft to the rear differential. Vs a FWD car that basically has its engine connected directly to its transmission
Owning a 2014 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ, the main disappointing point I find in the new model is that you have less steering feel and road feel than in the old one ....
I’m currently thinking about a Pavement Grey one. You’ve got me thinking about getting Red again. I had a Red Nissan 200SX SE-R. I’d love to get another “Red Racer”. When you said that its a great all a rounder I think you had me sold. Also when you said it was great in the snow with the right tires you had me thinking about the Initial D 3rd Stage Movie!!!!!
Hey a fellow NNJRer! I run at MetLife with MSNE and SCCA! I recently moved from my 13 FR-S to a GR86 and I have to agree with every single one of your points in this video. This is the perfect evolution to this chassis and I couldn’t be happier. Hope to see you around at the autocross!
MetLife is the best autox place in the world. Great layout and the best people. I learned so much from that place. I’ve been on autox hiatus for a bit, but I would love to come back soon. Enjoy!!
Considering these cars are going for $35k to $40k with markup the 230i M sport is actually better. More power, actual useable back seats, and still RWD.
I keep seeing all the comparison to the Miata, and I think the GR-86 is a solid car no doubt. The Miata is a convertible and a toy, totally different segment.
Savagegeese mentioned that the steering was a bit worse or specifically "like every other car". Do you notice any difference in feedback / feel between this and the gen 1?
Hanson, Good day, Sir. I hope you are well. Thank you for making this video. I understand that I have nothing to say that can be closely compared to this GR86. I would like to say that I owned a ‘77 Toyota Celica GT with the 20R (2.2 liter) engine and five speed manual tranny. I kept that gearshift knob out of that car because it has such a unique look and color to it. I owned a ‘90 Nissan 240SX KA24E engine (sohc) and five speed transmission. These two cars are the only examples I could even come close to comparing to the GR86. Those two cars I listed were an FR (Front engine-Rear drive) two door, 2+2 seating configuration that you have reviewed in this video. I loved the Celica’s rear quarter windows because you could crank roll them down. This was not the fastback. It had a proper trunk and the fuel tank took up half the space in the trunk. The hood was hinged at the front of the car, not the rear like almost all cars. There were vents in the hood that were stock. It was an ugly brown color. That sculpted rear fender was the best part of that car. And right behind the left rear quarter window was the gas cap. If I had a chance to get another one just like it, I would get one. But, maybe a GR86 is a better option too.
S2K still king, but 20/24 MPG. Here you get a hardtop for more stability AND better MPG and more tech. It’s just as fast, but no VTEC (obviously) and gearbox NOT as great. Good tradeoff tho. Now imagine if S2K returned for under $40k, 3000 lbs, 300/300 HP/torque, ooh mama!
Have a 2020 Brz Ts. Love it. Power dip and all. Not fast, but so dialed in. Only thing keeping me from the new model is a limited edition. Here is hoping before they make everything electronic... gah! In the mealtime, you can't pry my 2020 from my fingers! Cheers!
I own the same one too. You’re spot on with it being so dialed in. It’s unreal, and the best south of a Porsche (which arguably is indistinguishable aside from the higher quality feel the interior gives). Throw a forced induction kit on and you’re truly set. Already so choq full of supporting mods stock…
This was a wonderful review that really described how I feel about my car. I have a premium manual in trueno blue, and I honestly can say I am more in love with this car than anything else. Everyday is a joy to drive it. I find myself taking the long way home just to drive it more. The connection, the rawness, the light carefree nature, everything brings a smile to my face. Truly this car has saved me. I was so depressed driving my awful car everyday to work for 6 years while I saved and saved and when I saw the ad for this car I knew this was it. Now my life is amazing and this car really saved me. I will never get rid of it. One thing I’d recommend to new owners: Do the led swap kit from ftspeed. The interior lights, door lights, and reverse lights being LED make this car feel like a $60,000 car and just gives it that little bit of style. That being said, Toyota and Subaru did an amazing job. And what an excellent review. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experience and the awesome words. It’s amazing the kind of joy some cars can give us, and how it can truly lift us up. I hope they never stop making these.
Dude wrote this like he found Jesus christ
@Mohmega 😂😅😂😂
Have you heard about the oil issue that is making the engine seize?
@@MalikPhotography I have not
I agree that the BRZ and the 86 are great for learning proper driving techniques. I would also recommend that buyers look into a low-mile C6 corvette with a 6MT. We bought a '12 C6 in pristine condition with only 11k miles for 27k and after adding Bilstein sport shocks with Michelin PS 4s tires the car has amazing handling and it is a blast to drive. Still debating trading in our '18 Civic SI for a new BRZ or 86 which would I feel would be a great daily driver. Also the 2.4L NA engine may very well be more reliable than these newer small displacement turbo engines. Great review!
I was cross shopping the 86 and Corvettes and ended up with a C5 Z06. Lovely car but has some gremlins I need to take care of as it's almost 20 years old...
C6...no warranty...old...substantial increase in consumables/maintence.....more power is the only reason I see really to make that move.
@@tone3560 You clearly don't know how reliable the C6 with the LS3 and TR6060 is then. Do some research, many guys are getting 250k+ without any major repairs.
@@chrish8487 Im aware of the longevity of the ls3 and it is tempting. Plus finding a low mileage use 08+ C6 under 30k is pretty hard to do plus financing a used sports car with double the apr of a new car is just more deterring. If you had cash to just outright pay for it that maybe the determining factor for most. Buying a used sports car is trying to buy a used condom. haha
@@tone3560 You make good points and I would honestly recommend a competent mechanic look over any used sports car as they are often abused.
Have owned this car (Premium Raven) for a few days, and so far it has lived up to (if not surpassed) expectation. The look is hard to appreciate if you havent seen it in person, yes its small (which I was a little worried about) but immediately when you see it those worries go away, the thing has a nice presence about it. Only two things so far I wish were different are the high catch point on the clutch, and the turn signal indicator not sticking, but its not something you cant adjust to.
Look up how to change the engagement point on the clutch. Mine was the same and I changed it. Took all of 10 mins and really improved how the car drives.
It does look good, but I’m not a fan of it trying to look like a Porsche without have 1/10 of Porsche capability…
What about the engine burning out from the oil valley clogged with rtv
Make sure to drive slow all the time
how bad was the dealer mark up?
"If you don't look back at your car after you parked it, you have the wrong car" - true, same thing goes for ... OK, I'd better stop, will get into trouble even if it's true :-)
You do an amazing review. I’m sold! I’ve been trying to find a sports car with a manual transmission that won’t break the bank, This one looks like it will do it! Keep up the great reviews!
Very good in depth review, even shots of highway driving and curves. Very convinced to pick one up in the next couple years. The available colors and 2.4 liter engine definitely sold me.
I wonder if the RTV sealant issue will be fixed for 2023. I'm about to cancel my 23 BRZ pre-order
Had a Celica back in the day, just got the 2023 and I feel like a teenager all over again. Not the fastest thing out there, but it’s definitely a blast to drive!
Got my '23 BRZ back in November. Love it to bits. Fun and comfy to drive and I know for certain I have a unique vehicle as around here I have only seen ONE other 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86 and just two old and very dirty FRSs. It's definitely filled my need for a manual car so I'm now lookin' to sell my manual V6 S197 even though I love it dearly, but I still want a newer S550 GT as the one thing a BRZ cannot fulfill is that awesome feeling of a Coyote rumbling and roaring.
Those Coyote V8s revving out to 7.5k really do sound amazing, especially with long tube headers and full exhaust system.
Went from a base2018 brz new to a premium gr86, the steering feel was better slightly on the first gen, but man everything else is way more refined.
By the way, hold the trac off and track button together and you remove all the nannies except ABS and can do the funnies
I just ordered my 2023 in all white or red. Stick of course, It’ll be here in 5 months. I’m stoked.
Was thinking about getting one, the limited availability in europe, and some concerns about the power/torque lead me to buy a new mk4 Focus ST instead. Seeing the engine problems I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one, but I expect subaru to deal with the issues and fix it in the future. If the prices are somewhat reasonable, I'm thinking about picking one up next year as a summer-car.
You made the right choice. Subarus are famous for being shitboxes with oiling and head gasket issues, plus their transmissions are made of glass. You'd be so much better off buying American.
I have an m240i on order, but I've honestly been considering cancelling it in favor of picking up a GR86 and learning stick shift. The package that Toyota / Subaru has put together with this car just seems like such incredible value, and while the m240i is an absolute rocket ship, the GR86 just seems like more of a joyful car to drive.
So..
I test drove those two back to back. Did not like the turbo lag and dead steering feel on the BMW so ordered a GR86!
Ordered one in April.. may have it by November. Videos like this make let me know the wait will be worth it.
Amazing presentation! New subscriber here. You did Amazing job! Keep it up💪
Great review, looking to grab a GR soon, I can't wait!
8:45 say it loud for the ppl in the back 😤 ppl have got to realize that this car is still practical and you dont need a heavy set car to have practicality
From Wegmans??? WNY Represent brother! Great video!
Thanks for your review and information.
What about the RTV engine issue ?
Is there any difference for the new 2023 ?
If you can find this car at MSRP...most Toyota dealerships mark up the car and add a forced dealer package.
Sup bro, glad I found your channel
The steering in my 2007 CRV is unmatched
My 2022 Brz is not going to smoke v8 muscle cars or other sports cars over 50k, but sure quick enough.
Even the base model is still over 30k idk where he is getting these numbers.
Great review! What is *your* slant on the new Subaru offering… a wash or a consideration?
86 or soft-top club Miata?
If price wasn’t a factor.
(I wish the sport trim Miata came with an LSD)
For fun and overall enjoyment as a driver there miata is always the answer.
If you're planning on it being your only car the 86 is more practical, but I personally find the miata ND to be excellent as a daily
@@ArkhamJacks dude I’ve been looking for one and I found a base model club (no bbs, brembo, etc), which is the one I want. But them mfs selling it for $41K, before any financing. It’s absurd. It’s supposed to sell for like $31K smh. I was ready to trade my Mazda 6 in for one, but at this price point, hell nah. I think I need to wait till right when the 2023 model comes out next year and place a special order.
@@HisMajesty99 brooo used car market is f u c k e d.
I went in to look at a used 2020 rf GT model around january , the price was so horrendous that I managed to get them to sell me a brand new 2022 one for the price they were asking for the used one.
Only downside it arrived about a month ago 😂
@@ArkhamJacks the one I’m talking abt is new actually, but it’s like the only one left, so they jacked up the price. But yeah the used market especially is fucked too. At least you got one tho, better late than never! Enjoy your new car man! Hope it’s as fun as you expected!
Didn't they raid one of your home in Florida lately?
I have been looking back at my Mazda 3 GT for years now. I guess I bought the right car. However this car or the Z is my next car.
I wish they can sell this 30K dollars too in the Philippines.
Alfa Romeo Guilia has even better steering. And I love 86's but Guilia is in a league of its own with 11.8 steering ratio. In my mind its the only one better in steering then 86, since the steering quality is the same in both QV and base 20k models.
Great review!
Great review. Thank you.
It has enough power at sea level, but I live at 4300 feet of elevation. The canyon roads around me probably go up to 6500 feet so I assume it will be a little week on power up here. I do agree on the looks, its my problem with the Supra, its tough to pay a lot of money on a sports car that you don't think looks great. But this GT86 is a really really good looking sports car, just wish it was a little higher end.
Where I live it’s about 4600 at the low end at 8300+ at the high end. The car definitely does not feel as powerful as it does in texas, but also every one of us is at a disadvantage around here so it all works out :D.
This car is one of those cars that just look marvelous to look ar in person. If you rolled up in a mercades and a gr86 and tried to pick up some women i can bet everytime that they will go for the gr86.
I wish Toyota put their own motor in it
The premium package is 31k...? That's it...?
IF it were just the 22 mpg average, that wouldn't be bad. But a 22 mpg average AND a premium fuel requirement, well....
Toyota GR Celica GT-Four When?
Three best colors. Pavement. bRed. Neptune Blue.
I heard the steering in the gr86 is sloppy compared to the previous gen.
What is the actual price of this car as I'm so sick of people just quoting MSRP as that is complete BS. This car may be worth the MSRP but is it worth some stupid markup?
I bought my GR 86 in March with a $500 markup from the Toyota dealer in Muskegon Michigan.
@@billleete3125 Ohh nice. In Texas everything is ridiculously over priced.
Amen, 5-10k over MSRP lol. 10k is common. Been waiting 4+ months for one @ MSRP
Any car over MSRP is not worth it. It might be a great time to be an enthusiast, but it's a terrible time to actually buy a car.
@@On2thakneppz1 you can get one easily at msrp…put in a little bit of work, read, join the forums. There’s dealers posting msrp manual cars available daily.
So what's the price of the car after the ridiculous dealer markup?
Wish they had that special edition color, that green was 😩
Used 2020s selling for over 30k, what are these going for if you can find them, 45k new?
Thinking about getting this as my first car (but automatic). Passed my drivers test last year and i’ve been driving my moms rav4 occasionally… I don’t really like it when it comes to parking that thing out here in socal 😩
How about the safety features and safety crash tests in the automatic version? Do you have a video on that? Thanks
I won’t have a video on safety, but if you want the safety features, you’ll have to get the automatic, like you intended. Should have adaptive cruise, pre collision stuff, and lane departure warning.
Anybody who's reviewed this car says to stay away from the automatic and I'd agree. It's a drivers car and part of that experience is being able to change your own gears. It's not hard to learn either.
Excellent review. I want this car so much!
I need a need one man boutta trade in my Corolla😂😂
here in portugal it costs 50k euros
Wegsman? Which northern state are you in?
NJ!
@@ShiftingLanes alright haven't heard that name since i left NY since 2005
The should rename it GR94.
The fuel consumption is not much better than my mustang GT that is really poor
Gasket glue issues
My man looks like peaks
228hp that blows up and catch fire? NO thanks!
MPG pretty crap. 20-27 mpg should be 300-350hp
Agree
Make sure u don’t track or autocross with warranty it’ll void warranty
Have to say, keeping your self in the passenger seat, a great angle works well and your commentary over the b-roll works well. So much better than when reviewer is driving and talking and then cutting between and the audio just not working that well due to background noise. Great work and look forward to watching more! Subscribed :)
I've watched a dozen+ reviews on this car. I kept trying to figure out why I couldn't stop watching yours. Then it clicked at the end: Zero background music. Love it! You kept both the shots AND the audio track clean. Just pure information; zero fluff. Subscribed!
PS: Another differentiator? The overhead drone shots. So cool to see the car from all those new angles. Stellar work!
Hey man, thank you so much!!!
@@ShiftingLanes 💯
Why is this reviewer the only one praising the steering/handling of the car? All other reputable reviewers are saying the 1st gen car has better steering.
Couldn’t agree more. I just got mine, Premium Trim. It’s the first new car I’ve ever owned and I bought it despite not ever test driving it OR seeing it. I was blown away. I’ve had the privilege of driving a very wide variety of cars and nothing has put a smile on my face quite like this car. It’s nimble, quick, and stylish. You point the car where to go, and it goes there. And I definitely look back at it every time I park it. If you can get your hands on one, do it.
🚙That's awesome man. I'm also looking at a Premium Trim in Halo with Manual. I still have not test driven it but I'm so excited to be moving to this 86. I'm coming from an M235 AT. I just want something more reliable / MT / and morecost effective w maintenance. The GR86 (even though less in power) seems to be such a beautiful Coupe and sporty. Congrats on your 86! @Ty Young
I bought my premium manual halo gr86 and havent test driven or even sat in one before. Its coming in a couple weeks I cant wait.@@NathanielNicklas
I’d assume these will continue to have a great resale value too. Even if electric cars take over, someone is going to want to drive something like this
I've been considering a used 718 Cayman for a while, but this was the car that actually changed my mind after getting behind the wheel of both. Don't get me wrong - stock for stock, the 718 is the superior car, but I honestly felt that the GR86 was better value for the money... for the price of a used Cayman, I could buy two of these brand new and while I love the 718, I really loved what I experienced in the GR86 as well. Now I'm just playing the waiting game - my local dealer is expecting to get allocated a 2023 Special Edition and I've got a deposit on it with the option to go for a Premium if they don't get the allocation. If you had told me a few years ago that I could afford a Porsche, but would buy a Toyota over it, I'd have laughed at you - these little things are amazing.
718 is incredibly boring. I put it through the ringer on a test drive and wasnt impressed at all.
@@andrewrossnagel9433 You're right - I felt that it was better from an objective performance standpoint, but the level of engineering put into it has really removed some of the driving passion. It's a car that's all-business, so it doesn't feel anywhere near as playful as the GR86, it's the same reason I've said that I'd consider a GT350, but the new GT500 just isn't as fun. Some people want a car that's a monster in its niche, but if I'm buying a sports car I want it to be something that's fun and that's what the GR86 delivers over the 718.
@@Dreznin exactly. It did what you asked but it felt disconnected. Better lap times? Yes. Better time? Nope! Im gonna pick up a BR86 in a year or 2 when everything calms down and track it over my M3.
Similar experience for me. Sounds insane, but I actually had a deposit on a Cayman GT4. Drove the GR86, then immediately canceled my GT4 order. Of course the GT4 is a superior car, but I just couldn't justify spending 4x more money when the GR86 probably gives me 90% of the same fun factor.
@@Dreznin as someone w/ both a supercharged GT350 and a GR86, the GR86 (for me) is more fun :)
There are some pretty significant suspension differences with how Toyota and Subaru tune and setup suspension on these cars. Can’t go wrong with either, but Toyota does ride a bit stiffer around town.
Sway bar placement is different as well in the rear i think (or the front)
I have the 2023 subaru brz, it gets an average of 28 mpg, and it’s 2,700 lbs, I have no issues with acceleration or speed, it’s an absolutely phenomenal experience to drive. no one around has anything like it so it turns a lot of heads
When I first had my 01’ alpine white/imola red E46 M3 back in 2000 it checked all the things you talked about in this video. Now patiently waiting for my sapphire blue 23’ BRZ premium manual to be delivered to revisit that feeling of checking back after parking, taking the long way home, fine excuse to drive, etc.
Great insights! I got my 2013 BRZ brand new when it launched and never seriously considered getting rid of it. Then Toyota enters the room and releases the GR Supra, GR86 and GR Corolla. Car enthusiasts are spoiled with options right now. Lol
I haven’t driven the GR Corolla yet, but out of the three, the GR86 would be my choice. The GR Supra is great, but the price, steering, and handling of the GR86 makes it the best performance buy.
I heard they're bringing back the MR2 as well. Wonder what that will be like?
Indeed, the market was a little thin for a long time, now its coming back.
@@liahfox5840 Yes its coming back Toyota mentioned the 3 brothers are coming back rumors are the new MR2 will be mid-engined electric car will see.
Love my 2019 Toyota 86. Seriously considering an upgrade while the resale market on used cars is still as high as it is now.
Good luck finding one. I've been trying since last Winter. So I just got something else instead.
It's already dropping slowly
Considering there are no new cars anymore under 10K (I think? Right?) and due to profit margins, the expensive fuel economy technology in large crossovers make them as fuel efficient as inexpensive small hatchbacks. So yeah, ICE cars will only drop in price when governments start cracking down on them even more than now
Great video! I traded in my 2020 86 (which I truly loved) for a 22 Track bRed GR86 Premium and I absolutely LOVE IT! I am looking forward to hitting some of the winding runs in NC in October to see how it compares to the 2020 model. I think with the tighter tuned suspension, frame strengthening for less body roll that it is REALLY gonna be a LOT of fun!
I love your comment "If you don't look back at your car after you park it - you've bought the wrong car" - I so often look back at my Prius when I park it & walk away. You just confirmed for me that I bought the right car (for me)! 🥰
I had a 2013 FRS and now I want this. Awesome cars, so Much fun.
Unless it’s going to be your daily. I heard the gen 1 has more space and storage compared to the gen 2
This reminds me of the Supra/Celica era of 90’s…two good looking siblings at different price points.
I've been asked if it's a Celica a few times
The Supra and Celica name used to share the same car. Now its the Z4's turn, not just the name but the ENTIRE car.
I'm quite jealous that this car is so cheap in the u.s. here in the Netherlands this car costs 75k dollars
This video is so well done. Great coverage of the pros and cons.
22 mpg combined? That really seems unforgivably shitty for a small, light, naturally aspirated car.
These flat4 are bad at fuel efficiency, especially with the manual. I rarely get my gt86 under 10l/100km doing regular driving at average speeds. Almost the same as my C350... 1.7 tons 3.5 V6 272hp 2007. Ridiculous!
Yes it's garbage
You want more power? You lose mpg. Its a balance, you cant have both N/A at least…not a bad tradeoff
I always get 27 or better combined. For the last 200 miles I’ve been averaging 30 with most of it being highway at about 62 miles an hour.
From my understanding when a car is rear wheel drive it tends to get worse mpg too since the engine has to move the long drive shaft to the rear differential.
Vs a FWD car that basically has its engine connected directly to its transmission
I want the fa24 motor in my 2013 frs. I don't want the rest of it though.
Wait for a few more people to crash them and buy an engine to swap :)
@@erwark oh yea well definitely get there (:
Owning a 2014 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ, the main disappointing point I find in the new model is that you have less steering feel and road feel than in the old one ....
I feel as if both are not particularly good when compared to a hydraulic sterring
@@MrGman323 The steering feel on MY13 BRZ was far superior than the steering feel on MY01 S2000 which has hydraulic steering.
@@jasonscotta7129 no, I think S2K was one of the first electric racks.
@@diondrexler9352 MY01 S2000 indefinitely had hydraulic steering, and it was far inferior to MY13 BRZ.
@@jasonscotta7129 S2000’s all have EPS.
I’m currently thinking about a Pavement Grey one. You’ve got me thinking about getting Red again. I had a Red Nissan 200SX SE-R. I’d love to get another “Red Racer”. When you said that its a great all a rounder I think you had me sold. Also when you said it was great in the snow with the right tires you had me thinking about the Initial D 3rd Stage Movie!!!!!
Hey a fellow NNJRer! I run at MetLife with MSNE and SCCA! I recently moved from my 13 FR-S to a GR86 and I have to agree with every single one of your points in this video. This is the perfect evolution to this chassis and I couldn’t be happier.
Hope to see you around at the autocross!
MetLife is the best autox place in the world. Great layout and the best people. I learned so much from that place. I’ve been on autox hiatus for a bit, but I would love to come back soon. Enjoy!!
I wish it was made by Toyota and had an inline 4. I can't stand boxer engines.
Considering these cars are going for $35k to $40k with markup the 230i M sport is actually better. More power, actual useable back seats, and still RWD.
I'm keeping my 2013 gt86. It looks better than the GR version, but the engine upgrade is a reason to buy the new one.
header & tune could give you more performance on early models
Looks better? Why you capping
or you could swap the new motor in the old one. 🤔
The old one definitely looks one hundred times better!
@@SpeedDemonExpress no, it really doesn’t
Too bad it isn’t really a Toyota. Thank god the GR Corolla is an actual Toyota
I have been reading reviews that some 2022 gr86 owners have been reported engine problems.
I keep seeing all the comparison to the Miata, and I think the GR-86 is a solid car no doubt. The Miata is a convertible and a toy, totally different segment.
Savagegeese mentioned that the steering was a bit worse or specifically "like every other car". Do you notice any difference in feedback / feel between this and the gen 1?
Every time I've looked at these the markups are crazy
Great review. I am ordering one today for my wife. NEPTUNE BLUE with the manual transmission and premium package. I can't wait to "borrow" it.
Thanks.
For me the Shelby GT-350 had the best steering feel of any sports car I’ve owned. Second was a 2003 Z4 amazing feel!
92 Miata for me
Hanson, Good day, Sir. I hope you are well. Thank you for making this video. I understand that I have nothing to say that can be closely compared to this GR86. I would like to say that I owned a ‘77 Toyota Celica GT with the 20R (2.2 liter) engine and five speed manual tranny. I kept that gearshift knob out of that car because it has such a unique look and color to it. I owned a ‘90 Nissan 240SX KA24E engine (sohc) and five speed transmission. These two cars are the only examples I could even come close to comparing to the GR86. Those two cars I listed were an FR (Front engine-Rear drive) two door, 2+2 seating configuration that you have reviewed in this video. I loved the Celica’s rear quarter windows because you could crank roll them down. This was not the fastback. It had a proper trunk and the fuel
tank took up half the space in the trunk. The hood was hinged at the front of the car, not the rear like almost all cars. There were vents in the hood that were stock. It was an ugly brown color. That sculpted rear fender was the best part of that car. And right behind the left rear quarter window was the gas cap. If I had a chance to get another one just like it, I would get one. But, maybe a GR86 is a better option too.
It sounds like the gr86 carries on the spirit of those cars!
S2K still king, but 20/24 MPG.
Here you get a hardtop for more stability AND better MPG and more tech. It’s just as fast, but no VTEC (obviously) and gearbox NOT as great. Good tradeoff tho.
Now imagine if S2K returned for under $40k, 3000 lbs, 300/300 HP/torque, ooh mama!
Really great review. Also appreciate the fact that you sat in the passenger seat to showcase the driver side of the interior.
1:20 you were SO unlucky. Had my 2013 for over 7 years with literally zero issues & barely even any wear and tear considering it’s age. Superb car!!
I’m so happy Subaru made it right for me. Previous owner may have abused it, or maybe just faulty parts and it was just the right time to go.
Needs an inline...
Have a 2020 Brz Ts. Love it. Power dip and all. Not fast, but so dialed in. Only thing keeping me from the new model is a limited edition. Here is hoping before they make everything electronic... gah!
In the mealtime, you can't pry my 2020 from my fingers!
Cheers!
I own the same one too. You’re spot on with it being so dialed in. It’s unreal, and the best south of a Porsche (which arguably is indistinguishable aside from the higher quality feel the interior gives). Throw a forced induction kit on and you’re truly set. Already so choq full of supporting mods stock…
still think the gt86 looks better.. bar the interior
Just skip this car get a ST even a fiesta ST is better
Welp, I know what I'm getting after my 2014 tC dies. Snow was the only thing holding back a purchase.
You have just perfectly put into words why I love my car so much. Thanks for the review!
what about the honda 2023 type R?
You're unique doing the video from the passenger seat. Thanks for the review as I'm considering a gr86 myself
Best review I've been on this car! Very well done 👏