Most cameras do overheat at 4k 60. 4k 30 is working in most cameras now just like the 1080p 60 with no overheating. So you can buy an Ulanzi fan to attach to the back of the camera or what I am testing out is the cage or base plate to act as a heat sink which gives me more time to record. R8 is smaller than the R6 M2 and the M2 overheats after 20 minutes at 4k 60. Afternoon 10-12 minutes. At 4k 30 no problems at all.
The problem isn’t just that it overheats. The problem is that it doesn’t overheat on hot days if you set the camera outside and let it warm up before you use it… which means it’s not strictly “overheating“ at all. It’s software. Just like the R5 (which doesn’t overheat at all now). I just want them to fix it. This is a very nice camera otherwise, Know what I mean?
@@babybackmaniacleftoversso, I've found the real reason it acts like this and it's not software. It's simply incompetence from Canon. The R50 and the R8 both don't have any thermal pads between the CPU and the heatsink and relies on just the normal contact of the heatsink with the cpu. As we all know metals act differently in cold and warm environments as it dilates and contracts so it won't make a perfect contact unless you "pre-heat" it before so the metal is expended and the contact is better. Sadly I don't want to break my 2 years warranty for this but I've found a video where a guy modded the R50 and went from 23-24 minutes until shutdown to 43 minutes using the same settings by simply adding thermal pads...
Going from normal temps to high temps quickly could be more stressful to components inside the camera than doing the same over longer periods of time. That’s probably why the programming was done that way. As you said, the software is like that for a reason. Canon is trying to protect your investment. Of course, if such is the case, it should be stated somewhere in writing.
protecting me from stepping outside and filming? if the camera can’t handle that, I think you’re not dealing with the programming issue. at that point You’re not done making the camera if you know what I mean. Thanks for watching
good find man, I love my R8 and it is good to know this! I never have issues but where I live it is usually in the 80's as far as heat goes. Thank you!
My R8 has been in my office for a week, yet it last 21 mins. at 4K60 before overheating message shut down. So that isn't following this theory. Bizarre.
Just a guess, but maybe they thought about potential condensation when going to cold to hot. If the moisture builds up inside because of that transition, that could be worse than the moisture that can build up inside a lens in the same senario.
yeah, somebody else suggested that. That would be fine if that was what it was doing, but it still says it’s shutting down due to overheating so best case scenario even if it’s doing something useful, it’s adding more confusion by telling the user it’s doing some thing else. Thanks for watching
What about on the inside like in your house or office. Does the camera act the same or did it perform better? Cheers! You will always find workarounds with problems. Sometimes the manufacturing company pushes their products out too early and fix the bugs later. Cheaper price cameras are not like the more expensive ones so if this is a problem for many then maybe the company will find a way to fix it or you will find a way. Companies see if people do not buy their product then they either fix it like we hope or discontinue. We are at their mercy unfortunately. Good Video! Thanks!
I agree with you about some companies but Canon has done this too many times for it to be an accident or a rush. Canon has a long history of withholding features to push people to more expensive cameras. Just look at the r5 with the benefit of hindsight. The flagship r5 comes out with 8k. Unfortunately it overheats just being turned on in some cases. Coincidentally the more expensive C70 and R5C come out over the next year and one of their big selling point s is "They have a fan so they won't overheating." OK, fine, but once the original sales die down, the r5 quietly gets a update the completely fixes the overheating issues. Are you kidding me? If the r5 had worked--as a 8k full frame rf-mount camera--it was have SEVERELY cut into the market of those Cinema cameras. With the R8, I know for a fact that this overheating pushed a lot of people to just spend the extra 1000 for the "more liable" r6 and r6m2 just from the number of people who have told me from this channel. I never suggested that even once. Everybody just had the same thought. I don't think it's an accident. I think Canon knows exactly what they are doing...and because we can tell they are messing around with the firmware to "Cause" these issues, I want them to fix this one.
So the first question was how did it perform inside? I got rid of three Canon cameras because of the overheating and upgraded to the R6 M2 which is fantastic. But for the same price of a R8 I bought the Sony ZV-1M2 and got a dummy battery which can be charged through the outlet or a 5v 1a Power bank that charges up my cellphone. Has a six-hour battery life. Cheers!
If I’m not wrong the R5 got a series of firmware upgrades that allowed the camera to shoot 4K 60fps and beyond for longer time without overheating fast. Wouldn’t they do the same for the R8?
yes, I have that camera and it’s wonderful now. It doesn’t even overheat in 8K. The issue then though was the camera wasn’t overheating. It was just saying it was and shutting down on a timer. With the R8, I believe there are different shenanigans happening and yes I definitely think they could fix it with a software update. The problem is I think this is doing exactly what they want it to do right now…. and I don’t think they’re going to “fix it” if we don’t put pressure on them
Interesting findings! Thanks for making the video, I wouldn't have thought about something like this. So far the R8 has never let me down at 4k30 in the desert, but none of my clips are more than a few minutes long.
This makes perfect sense now why you are seeing what you are seeing and I'm seeing what I'm seeing. You're camera is already warmed up by the time you record (acclimated) and I was bringing mine out of an air conditioned house. It's literally completely backwards from what you'd expect--and it's ridiculous--but at least it explains the issue.
okay I had to test. Camera has been inside off with me whole day. It's around 23.5 Celsius (74 Fahrenheit). I put the camera in Auto mode (so that we can have more comparable settings. I see your shutter speed varies between videos I think). It was in airplane mode. I have the RF 100 macro. No movie stabilization. Manual focus and 4k 60 fps. After 10 minutes or so I remembered to turn off IS on the lens (which had been laying still until then). A slower temperature rise than yours but 25:19 in it turned off due to overheating. Canon battery. I changed to third party battery and let it just sit on, because: I did hear a sound from the camera, most noticeable at the top. I covered the speaker "grill" with no change. Is it coil-whine? Or is there something that circulates inside? Air would be futile so a minature pump for some forced liquid cooling rather than just heatpipes? The sound goes away when turning the camera off. It's so faint so you need to be inside to hear it. So I didn't know what it was but in case it pumps around I had the second battery in just to let it properly cool down without recording.
Very interesting. What is your outside temp? and how long after leaving the house did you hit record? I don't have any noises...or at least I didn't notice it. I'll check now that you mentioned it. It's so weird. This camera is so close to being such a perfect little camera. I really like it other than these quirks Thank you for the feedback.
@@subwarpspeedthere's no liquid cooling involved, I've checked a teardown. It doesn't even have thermal pads between the processor and the cooling plate which explain the need to acclimate...
I don't have an answer for your but I am sad for you. What's the operating temperature range of the camera? Microchips get hot quite easily and depend on a cooler atmosphere around them to cool off. If it's 100 degrees outside, it might just be having a bad time because it lacks a fan or a heat sink that's compatible with such an "extreme." 😢
@@subwarpspeed Yeah, that's what makes it counter intuitive. If you leave the camera out in the heat before you start recording, it's fine (or at least works for 18 minutes). But If you start with a cold camera, it overheats 2 minutes.
Hi - my R8 overheating query is being escalated. This I what happened and I wrote: Can I please get a sensible response from Canon. I have been out at lunch in England with the ambient temperature c. 24C / 75F. My R8 has not been used, I think I took 1 shot about 1 hour ago. It has been off for the duration. Turned it on and apparently it’s overheating and turned off. I’ve been watching numerous videos on TH-cam where it appears to be the rate of change in ambient temperature not the absolute temperature. Either way I expect a sensible answer. I consider my other options to go via my creditcard company and argue that the product has been missold and not fit for purpose.
Reply Thank you for your request and for contacting Canon. The cameras working operating temperature is 0 - 40 °C, 85% or less humidity. However we do not recommend leaving the camera in direct sunlight. Warning in the users guide: Do not leave the camera in excessive heat, such as in a car in direct sunlight. High temperatures can cause the camera to malfunction. Yours sincerely,
Most cameras do overheat at 4k 60. 4k 30 is working in most cameras now just like the 1080p 60 with no overheating. So you can buy an Ulanzi fan to attach to the back of the camera or what I am testing out is the cage or base plate to act as a heat sink which gives me more time to record. R8 is smaller than the R6 M2 and the M2 overheats after 20 minutes at 4k 60. Afternoon 10-12 minutes. At 4k 30 no problems at all.
The problem isn’t just that it overheats. The problem is that it doesn’t overheat on hot days if you set the camera outside and let it warm up before you use it… which means it’s not strictly “overheating“ at all. It’s software. Just like the R5 (which doesn’t overheat at all now).
I just want them to fix it. This is a very nice camera otherwise, Know what I mean?
@@babybackmaniacleftoversso, I've found the real reason it acts like this and it's not software. It's simply incompetence from Canon. The R50 and the R8 both don't have any thermal pads between the CPU and the heatsink and relies on just the normal contact of the heatsink with the cpu. As we all know metals act differently in cold and warm environments as it dilates and contracts so it won't make a perfect contact unless you "pre-heat" it before so the metal is expended and the contact is better. Sadly I don't want to break my 2 years warranty for this but I've found a video where a guy modded the R50 and went from 23-24 minutes until shutdown to 43 minutes using the same settings by simply adding thermal pads...
Going from normal temps to high temps quickly could be more stressful to components inside the camera than doing the same over longer periods of time. That’s probably why the programming was done that way. As you said, the software is like that for a reason. Canon is trying to protect your investment. Of course, if such is the case, it should be stated somewhere in writing.
protecting me from stepping outside and filming? if the camera can’t handle that, I think you’re not dealing with the programming issue. at that point You’re not done making the camera if you know what I mean.
Thanks for watching
If Canon was really protecting your investment they would put some thermal pads on the CPU and ram which they didn't so that's not the case.
good find man, I love my R8 and it is good to know this! I never have issues but where I live it is usually in the 80's as far as heat goes. Thank you!
Make sense. I'm jealous of your weather. lol
My R8 has been in my office for a week, yet it last 21 mins. at 4K60 before overheating message shut down. So that isn't following this theory. Bizarre.
4K60 for 18 min in 95F? Totally acceptable, I think!
Just a guess, but maybe they thought about potential condensation when going to cold to hot. If the moisture builds up inside because of that transition, that could be worse than the moisture that can build up inside a lens in the same senario.
yeah, somebody else suggested that. That would be fine if that was what it was doing, but it still says it’s shutting down due to overheating so best case scenario even if it’s doing something useful, it’s adding more confusion by telling the user it’s doing some thing else.
Thanks for watching
@@babybackmaniacleftovers Yeah. If it is actually a condensation prevention measure, then more appropriate messaging should probably be used.
What about on the inside like in your house or office. Does the camera act the same or did it perform better? Cheers! You will always find workarounds with problems. Sometimes the manufacturing company pushes their products out too early and fix the bugs later. Cheaper price cameras are not like the more expensive ones so if this is a problem for many then maybe the company will find a way to fix it or you will find a way. Companies see if people do not buy their product then they either fix it like we hope or discontinue. We are at their mercy unfortunately. Good Video! Thanks!
I agree with you about some companies but Canon has done this too many times for it to be an accident or a rush.
Canon has a long history of withholding features to push people to more expensive cameras.
Just look at the r5 with the benefit of hindsight. The flagship r5 comes out with 8k. Unfortunately it overheats just being turned on in some cases. Coincidentally the more expensive C70 and R5C come out over the next year and one of their big selling point s is "They have a fan so they won't overheating." OK, fine, but once the original sales die down, the r5 quietly gets a update the completely fixes the overheating issues. Are you kidding me?
If the r5 had worked--as a 8k full frame rf-mount camera--it was have SEVERELY cut into the market of those Cinema cameras.
With the R8, I know for a fact that this overheating pushed a lot of people to just spend the extra 1000 for the "more liable" r6 and r6m2 just from the number of people who have told me from this channel. I never suggested that even once. Everybody just had the same thought. I don't think it's an accident.
I think Canon knows exactly what they are doing...and because we can tell they are messing around with the firmware to "Cause" these issues, I want them to fix this one.
So the first question was how did it perform inside? I got rid of three Canon cameras because of the overheating and upgraded to the R6 M2 which is fantastic. But for the same price of a R8 I bought the Sony ZV-1M2 and got a dummy battery which can be charged through the outlet or a 5v 1a Power bank that charges up my cellphone. Has a six-hour battery life. Cheers!
Hey! Have you tried the latest firmware(28/05/24) and see if that had fixed the issue?
i looked at the firmware notes and no notes regarding heat or overheating or anything.
If I’m not wrong the R5 got a series of firmware upgrades that allowed the camera to shoot 4K 60fps and beyond for longer time without overheating fast. Wouldn’t they do the same for the R8?
yes, I have that camera and it’s wonderful now. It doesn’t even overheat in 8K.
The issue then though was the camera wasn’t overheating. It was just saying it was and shutting down on a timer.
With the R8, I believe there are different shenanigans happening and yes I definitely think they could fix it with a software update. The problem is I think this is doing exactly what they want it to do right now…. and I don’t think they’re going to “fix it” if we don’t put pressure on them
Interesting findings! Thanks for making the video, I wouldn't have thought about something like this. So far the R8 has never let me down at 4k30 in the desert, but none of my clips are more than a few minutes long.
This makes perfect sense now why you are seeing what you are seeing and I'm seeing what I'm seeing.
You're camera is already warmed up by the time you record (acclimated) and I was bringing mine out of an air conditioned house.
It's literally completely backwards from what you'd expect--and it's ridiculous--but at least it explains the issue.
People that only shoot 4k60 are probably psychopaths…. I just need it for wildlife for a few minutes and B Roll if I ever figure that out. Ha
Facts 💯
Thanks for the experiment
My pleasure. Thank you for watching.
okay I had to test. Camera has been inside off with me whole day. It's around 23.5 Celsius (74 Fahrenheit).
I put the camera in Auto mode (so that we can have more comparable settings. I see your shutter speed varies between videos I think). It was in airplane mode. I have the RF 100 macro.
No movie stabilization. Manual focus and 4k 60 fps. After 10 minutes or so I remembered to turn off IS on the lens (which had been laying still until then).
A slower temperature rise than yours but 25:19 in it turned off due to overheating. Canon battery.
I changed to third party battery and let it just sit on, because:
I did hear a sound from the camera, most noticeable at the top. I covered the speaker "grill" with no change. Is it coil-whine? Or is there something that circulates inside? Air would be futile so a minature pump for some forced liquid cooling rather than just heatpipes? The sound goes away when turning the camera off. It's so faint so you need to be inside to hear it.
So I didn't know what it was but in case it pumps around I had the second battery in just to let it properly cool down without recording.
Very interesting. What is your outside temp? and how long after leaving the house did you hit record?
I don't have any noises...or at least I didn't notice it. I'll check now that you mentioned it.
It's so weird. This camera is so close to being such a perfect little camera. I really like it other than these quirks
Thank you for the feedback.
@@babybackmaniacleftovers No I meant the camera and I'm inside this room all day. Test was indoors.
@@subwarpspeedthere's no liquid cooling involved, I've checked a teardown. It doesn't even have thermal pads between the processor and the cooling plate which explain the need to acclimate...
Have you ever tried to turn off E-stabilization, wifi, Bluetooth and the EVF completely? Maybe you get more time without these things?
I don't have an answer for your but I am sad for you.
What's the operating temperature range of the camera?
Microchips get hot quite easily and depend on a cooler atmosphere around them to cool off. If it's 100 degrees outside, it might just be having a bad time because it lacks a fan or a heat sink that's compatible with such an "extreme." 😢
104 degrees Fahrenheit, he brought that up two videos back (when it was above that).
@@subwarpspeed Yeah, that's what makes it counter intuitive. If you leave the camera out in the heat before you start recording, it's fine (or at least works for 18 minutes).
But If you start with a cold camera, it overheats 2 minutes.
Hi - my R8 overheating query is being escalated. This I what happened and I wrote:
Can I please get a sensible response from Canon.
I have been out at lunch in England with the ambient temperature c. 24C / 75F. My R8 has not been used, I think I took 1 shot about 1 hour ago. It has been off for the duration. Turned it on and apparently it’s overheating and turned off.
I’ve been watching numerous videos on TH-cam where it appears to be the rate of change in ambient temperature not the absolute temperature. Either way I expect a sensible answer. I consider my other options to go via my creditcard company and argue that the product has been missold and not fit for purpose.
Good luck with this. If you have time, Please report back how it gets resolved.
Reply
Thank you for your request and for contacting Canon.
The cameras working operating temperature is
0 - 40 °C, 85% or less humidity.
However we do not recommend leaving the camera in direct sunlight.
Warning in the users guide:
Do not leave the camera in excessive heat, such as in a car in direct sunlight. High temperatures can cause the camera to malfunction.
Yours sincerely,
@@jadubfulThat was not a "sensible response" if you ask me.
you are right