On both the RP and the R8, there is a work around to close down the Shutter when turning off the camera. You simply manually initiate the Sensor Cleaning mode and then turn the camera off. You can wait til after hear the first click, but you typically don't have to. Once the camera is powered all the way off, you can see the shutter remains in the closed position. I am am not sure if there is any long term issue with doing this procedure repeatedly, as I have only done it a handful of times on either camera.
I’m liking my R8 very much as a 2nd body to my R5. The HF anti-flicker is especially nice for indoor shots, no more banding. The AF is quite different from the R5, your setup video helped a lot! For macro I had to set ‘none’ as subject to prevent it from going of on its own with spot focus, regardless of ‘whole area’ being enabled or not.
I'm not a wild life photographer but maaan did you do your home work! Thanks for sharing. Minus the jibber jabber straight to the points giving solutions and real life scenarios. More like you on TH-cam.
Great review thanks. Right to the point and just covers the stuff you need to know unlike so many other reviewers. I have an R5 and have just bought an R8 which impressed me when I tried it in the photography shop I work in. I have had to explain the differences to a few customers and your review nails the differences so well. I’ve subscribed and look forward to viewing your other videos.
Great review Scott. I just bought the R6mark II and am very happy with it, I bought it cause I really wanted the eye focus but needed the IBIS, being 78 I get a little shaky holding the EF 100/400 for a couple of hours and I feel like my phone is vibrating. I also like the grip, I also had the RP and it was a little small for me I also have the R7 and it’s border line on the grip for me, I also had a bunch of extra batteries for the R7 so that worked out. I’m glad you did this video cause it will help a lot of people make the decision based on the price difference which wasn’t a factor for me. Thanks again lookin forward to the next video, oh if you use Lightroom classic please review the new update on noise reduction.
Great review. I had both in hand at a dealer. A point not mentioned, and what impressed me with the R8, is how dense it feels being so compact. In comparison the R6 felt a bit more hollow, as it probably also has more space in it? As my first mirrorless the R8 is very appealing to invest in glass and then buy later a higher end model like an upgraded R5
it does feel more 'dense'. Good catch. The R6 has more depth due to needing space for the larger battery , joystick, weather sealing, etc. And good advice on the glass as its more important than the body really. Im using 13 year ld lenses :)
nice review thanks! I think I will get R8. I'm surprised to see it in stock everywhere. In the past when a camera of this caliber was released it would take a while to get one due to high demand. I guess with so many good cameras being released the pool of potential buyers has shrunk.
Thanks for the video, I went with the r8 and found the aftermarket grip before I saw your video. I’ve tried to help people realize they can save 1k and have a great camera.
Decided for R6 ii yesterday because of (1) bigger battery, (2) IBIS for older EF and FD glass without stabilization and (3) for joystick to be a little bit more compatible with R7 (or a little bit less incompatibility :). Will use it for hybrid shooting and in movie mode I will add EF 16-35 4.0 + stone age EF 100 2.0 for wider shots + R7 with EF 100-400 ii for compressed tele shots. Thanks for the fair comparison!
Currently looking to upgrade my aging 80D to a full frame mirrorless so I’m stuck between R6 and R6 m2 and R8. Having used the 80D for so long dual card slot and IBIS isn’t an issue BUT the battery. Leaning more towards the R8 as i already have good EF lenses including the TAMRON 70-200 SP and Sigma 18-35.
I use R6 II and find the viewfinder really nice to use and since I use a reading glass I was concerned that I would have to carry my specs with me. Very clear and if works very nicely. Also with the R6 II I could continue using batteries which I used on my old EOS 70D. I didn’t see any mention of Wi-Fi features does the R8 have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi like the R6 II - more often than not I just transfer images using Wi-Fi connection. Good video!
Sir you are my new favorite photography channel. I truly am appreciating your feed back and educational videos. I am proudly to say you help me decide to get the new R8 with the RF50 and the RF85 lenses to start playing with it. And I am blown away with the results compared to my IPhone 14 pro max. The R8 is the perfect beginner camera in my opinion. Thank you sir.
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! I love all your stuff. Question...I am BRAND NEW< a total newb, planning on getting my first full frame. I am going with Canon, and had been considering the R6mii, but after watching a lot of reviews, including yours obviously, I'm wondering if I'm better off saving the $$ and getting the R8? I'd like to be a well rounded photographer, but my main interest is birds/wildlife; possibly some astrophotography. My budget is about $4000 right now, I was considering the R6mii with the kit 24-105mm f/4-7.1 and the RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 to start, learn the camera, etc, BUT if I go with the R8 I could be a glutton and get the EF100-400mm f/4-5.6L IS USM. OR just save even more and get the R8, and those two cheaper lenses I mentioned. THIS is my dilemma. First world problems I know!! LOL Any advice from anyone appreciated.
Hi Scott, that was an amazing and very comprehensive compo between the 6ii n the 8, plus u also offered some great work arounds. I particularly liked yr suggestion of adding a Batt grip on the 8 which not only doubled the battery but also provide a much better grip on the body thereby negating the advantage of the 6ii in that area. Great Stuff - hv Sub’d
Thanks a lot for the detailed review and good to hear some real basic knowledge. I have been hearing that the R8 is a 2nd or even 3rd camera for professionals. So, that I understand the R8 would be perfect. But, as for me as an amateur photographer looking to make the switch to mirrorless and only to have 1 main camera, I think the R6II would be my choice. Would you agree.
Not really. If you have IS lenses the r8 would be a good pickup and adding the vello battery grip will help match the r6mkii batter life and feel better in the hand. just my opinion
This was very thorough thankyou and I think what won me over was your experience with the cheap battery grip. I really don't like those small batteries. I'm mostly happy with the Nikon Z8 but I have some good Canon lenses I've decided not worth selling but Canon becomes my B camera. Thanks again.
Interestingly I was able to shoot handheld a kingfisher with a fish in its mouth at 1/60 sec with a 500mm lens with a Canon camera with IBIS allowing a low noise photo in low light. The IBIS may make a difference between getting a usable photo with long lenses in low light if you shoot a lot in low light.
I'm just in the situation to decide which of the two cameras I should buy. I saved money for the Canon R6 mark II, but I still have 300 Euro until I reach the amount...I can wait, but in the mean time, with the money difference I can buy the Tamron 150-600mm G2 and replace my older Tamron 150-600.. G1 (I hope that the new Canon R8...6 cameras don't have problems with Tamron lenses...because my last camera was Canon 6D mark II and I didn't have problems ...). Hard to decide. What would you do in my place? Anyway thank you so much Scott for your reviews and wildlife videos, I learned a lot from you.
The 3rd party lenses for me are a no go usually. Even if they had better compatibility with the RF mount. I was never fond of the Tamron 150-600 even with my 5D MKIV found it to not be as sharp in a lot of areas vs the EF 100-400 MKII lens
Finally got the r6 ii after selling the r6 & r7 love the r6 layout hated the r7 and it’s poor rolling shutter with the pre shoot feature which I loved now hopefully the r6ii will be fast enough to be able to cope also as I shooter landscapes too I loved the panoramic feature on the r7 which was another feature that tempted me to px the r6 towards the r6ii . So at minute I’m well happy with the r6ii for everything at min but in time this will become my landscape body when canon produce the camera that the r7 should have been .hopefully a crop stacked bsi sensor is on the cards with the r5/6 button layout 🤞🤞🤞
Hello. I really liked your review video. But I will ask you for help in choosing. I shoot and edit nature travel and solo camp videos. I have a DJI RS3 gimmal, so I don't have any problems with stabilization. I can also handle battery life. I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and I can record from Apple Pro Press. Do I need to pay an extra $1000? I will use the 50 mm 1.4 only to shoot videos. What I need is 4k log 10 bit videos that I will shoot 3 or 4 minutes at a time. I have a v90 card. I shoot in cold weather. Thanks in advance for your answer.
8:55 man that's not a door literally that's your camera's mechanical shutter and is the most expensive part of a camera after the sensor! Which is not easy to repair and will cost your over 500$! I haven't activated shutter closing in my A7iv for that reason only as it is easy to wreck the shutter accidentally but the sensor can get dirty only and not scratched easily. Great comparison BTW and I do agree. I have no idea why Canon cannibalized the R6ii in a few months with R8. For wildlife I see no reason to buy it over R8 for 1k$ more only for a better battery( the real difference which matters imo) specially cause the difference in buffer is not that much.
Misnomers. Plus with your shutter (door) not closed on power off you have a large risk of dust or particles getting into the camera and onto the sensor. Not sure they way besides selling ore cameras, but im glad they did
@@WILDALASKA Dust on the sensor is not a big deal at all as it is so easy to clean. But a malfunctioned shutter is a pain in the a**! And I always change lenses camera face down. Having a lot of primes, haven't need to clean my sensor a single time yet!
I would think the r7 would be better for pure wildlife photogs, no? The APS-C sensor size will get you much more reach and cropability when compared to a full frame sensor any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. I'm an r6 II user, but I can't crawl through the woods anymore due to disability that's left me wheelchair bound, but if I was, I'd go with the r7 for that specific task.
Just depends on your shooting needs and how close you need to be to your subject. I think the sensor readout speed/ full frame vs reach is your deciding factors
For bird shooting I would probably get the canon R7 instead of any of these. The price is pretty good and it gives you 1.6 more distance with any lense. Now if its a wedding or professional shooting the R6 ii is a much better choice. R8 is just not for me.
The R7 and R6mki/R8 are different use tools. Ill be doing the r7 vs r8 very soon. But yes if you going to shoot a lot of smalls the crop factor will help plus the amount of MP. You also have to take into account your depth of field cares between the 2 also.
Great review between the two cameras, but as a non wildlife photographer, the R6 II IBIS is the killer feature along with batteries. Thank you for the review!
If you're having to go SUPER low shutter speed and your handholding then yes IBIS will help, but if your tripod shooting a lot for landscape then its going to be a wash. What I found interesting was with the 3rd party grip on the R8, the weight of the r8 was a couple ounces lighter than the R6mkII without its battery grip.
Just subscribed to your channel. Great info and very timely. I just ordered the battery grip you reviewed for my new R8 that I now have in hand. :) And you exactly answered nearly all of my questions that I had on the R8. But I could not figure out one item: Is there any way to map to a custom button or the Q screen a toggle between the Electronic curtain vs the Electronic first curtain shutter? I couldn't find a way to do this, so I just set it up in My Custom Menu as a setting and have that setting pop up as my starting place when I hit the menu button. Other ideas? Thx!
Ill poke around some. I usually just stay to one type of shutter on each camera and from there change the 40 vs 20 fps in the quick menu in the viewfinder. Ill drop a note if I see a way to add this. im sure there is somewhere
I have been wanting to upgrade my camera.. some people have said to get a r6 over the r8. Im new to wildlife and just now getting into sports. I was wondering what your thoughts where. I have a canon sl2 right now. Thanks for making these cool videos.
Great Video. I just got r8 as my B camera to R5 for wildlife - and as my backpacking light camera. I agree with all you have said but really miss c3 (my default wildlife after c1/c2 landscape on tripod / landscape handheld). And the r8 efcs is so loud, I would use electronic for wildlife to avoid scaring animals even with the sacrifice from 14 bit to 12 bit that goes with this choice.
Thanks. It's a great b camera for sure. I don't really notice the 14 vs 12 bit unless your going to print LARGE really. And to be honest I never use the custom setups. I just have everything in manual and I only shoot wildlife, but I may have a second camera set up for panos and landscapes.
@@dscottstoness2436 Just upscale the files using LR/ACR's "Enhance" feature then output to the resolution of choice. I've done tests (lots of them) and the R6 II files upscaled using Enhance and output to 45 MP are sharper and more detailed than the R5 files at 45 MP (viewed at 100% zoom on a 5K monitor). Also, I've had 8 MP 1D Mark II files printed on the side of city buses for ads and they look INCREDIBLE. Anybody who says 24 MP isn't enough for any size print doesn't know what they are talking about. This also applies to cropping.
Correct. It due to the camera not made for a grip. You can transfer bu USB-c or app. But taking the grip off is very fast. Just a spin of a dial and pop its off. Here's the review on the grip which answers more detailed questions. - th-cam.com/video/aIf66kEARC4/w-d-xo.html
I currently have an R7 for wildlife and macro but have had an RP since they first came out. I use mainly for landscapes, events and family photos. It has shortcomings but still gets great photos. Really tempted to replace it with R8. The battery ibis single card no big deal to me. Small size a plus for travel camera. What has me on fence is a used R6 is now within a 100 or 200 dollars of the R8. New R8 or a clean used R6? Leaning R8 but if right deal comes?
Agreed ! Better sensor all around. A skilled user should end up with a better result. Having spent many hours with the RP should be good to go strait away out of the box. Should be a no Brainer. Still tuff call though.
@@edwardoliver971 I have had an RP for over 2 years and just got the R8. My shooting style is almost exactly like what you described your is. I wanted to do more action as my grandkids are playing more sports now. After 2 days in my hand, the R8 is simply amazing compared to the RP. Autofocus is much better on my RF lenses, including the RF 100-400 with a 2x extender. The only minor ding is my muscle memory going from the RP to the R8 when switching off the camera. I find myself instead switching from still to video (left side switch) on the R8 instead of on/off. But after a couple of days usage I am already learning to use the right side switch to power on / off the R8. My soon to be 10 year old granddaughter, will get my RP as a birthday present for her first real camera (she has been asking me). I am glad I decided to wait on the R7, since I wanted more speed, but didn't want to spring for a $2500 camera like the R62. The R8 is in my opinion, the best answer to an alternative for the RP/R7 combo.
15:09 Could you tell me what that is? The Raw output hdmi? I thought it had to do with video footage but it's if you have it on a screen monitor or if you want to screen record? I'm not exactly sure what that feature is for?
So if you want to record footage from your camera in raw high bit rate you can't do that on the R8 but can for the R6MKII. This is more for studio or video work vs in the field wildlife. Even though if you are a Prue wildlife video person this may be something you need. You can record out of it in lower bit rates.
@@WILDALASKA Finally! Thank you for replying🙏 that’s what I thought 💭 so you can color grade the video footage since you’re recording in high bit rate? It’s really for video or film 🎥 people right? More to work with in editing 🎞️
HI, I am currently looking to upgrade from my old canon 80D (which I have been using for about over 2 years) to a mirrorless camera. My focus is more in photography than videography. Could you please recommend me from these options: Canon R8, R6, R6 ii or Sony a7iii. I own Sigma 18-35 and Tamron 70-200 G2 as my lens.
The Video was excellent until you said that it is your "C" camera. Look, I have a T7i. I am improving my wildlife photography very fast and I am also very good at Lightroom Classic. I am looking for a mirrorless full frame camera and, after analyzing and watching your video I thing that the R6 would last far more (talking about capabilities and technology). What do you think?
R8 over the R6 all day. That's the r6 not the mkii. Get the battery grip made by Vello. There's a link in the description for order from amazon. Reasons: Better Autofocus, MUCH better sensor, if you have battery grip them your at same battery life, with grip the camera feels better. up to 40 fps, up to 180 fps video with no crop. list goes on and on really. It is my studio camera BUT I am heading to Katmai to shoot brown bears and I think im going to take the r8 as my second camera to my Z9 over the r7. Just to get better wide shots and less rolling shutter. hope this helps
if the price difference isn't a factor then the r6mkii just for the larger starting battery and IBIS. if those aren't a factor then grab the r8 and save some money@@martinmazzeo2699
That was a great comparison/review. As a back up camera the R8 is great but as a main camera I think there is a lot of value in that $1000 difference. 👍
I compared fast Sandisk UHS-II cards (260 MB/s write) to slower UHS-I cards (90 MB/s write) from Sandisk and Kingston on my R6II and the difference isn't that big. The faster cards took ~13 seconds to clear the buffer (~105 CRaw photos at ISO 3200) while the slower cards took ~20 seconds. To me, the faster cards are not worth 5 times the price even though i shoot birds in flight at 40fps.
Good info. So the fast UHS II v90 are 300 mb/s write speed and v30's are 70 mb/s write speed. Even with the speeds you stated that's 7 seconds difference which is a lot. The 300 mb's write sustained speed cards are sub 10 second to around 6 seconds to offload. (on buffer lockout) And also were to as concerned ( at least me) with full offload on a buffer strike. Rather the feather ability of the card to only lift shutter finger for a split second to stay unlimited for the most part in feathering.
@@WILDALASKA The number written on the card is usually the read speed. My Sandisk 300 MB/s cards have a specified write speed of (up to) 260 MB/s. However, there's always some processing involved when pictures are written to the card (preview jpg, picture profile, lens correction, compression) and even Raw files are processed to some extent. The fast card (260 MB/s write) gave me a measured in camera (R6II) write speed of ~130 MB/s while the slower UHS-I card (90 MB/s write) wrote at ~86 MB/s.
@@loony7002 you have to check the manufacturer site usually and your looking for the consistent write speed also. the ones I have are 299 on the consistent write speed
I hate when people tell me that what I buy is up to me. no kidding. the reason I watched your video is to get advice on what to do. so thanks for nothing. try taking a stand and having an opinion
I did. Statement was get the grip - bank the $1300 savings and invest in a upgrade or new lens. My advise was to go rent and test yourself. YOUR shooting needs are different than mine and the next person.
On both the RP and the R8, there is a work around to close down the Shutter when turning off the camera. You simply manually initiate the Sensor Cleaning mode and then turn the camera off. You can wait til after hear the first click, but you typically don't have to. Once the camera is powered all the way off, you can see the shutter remains in the closed position. I am am not sure if there is any long term issue with doing this procedure repeatedly, as I have only done it a handful of times on either camera.
good info
Thanks
I’m liking my R8 very much as a 2nd body to my R5. The HF anti-flicker is especially nice for indoor shots, no more banding.
The AF is quite different from the R5, your setup video helped a lot! For macro I had to set ‘none’ as subject to prevent it from going of on its own with spot focus, regardless of ‘whole area’ being enabled or not.
good info
I’m so glad you’re doing videos on the R8 ,very informative. I just picked mine up yesterday. It’s a great combo with my R7
cool
I'm not a wild life photographer but maaan did you do your home work! Thanks for sharing. Minus the jibber jabber straight to the points giving solutions and real life scenarios. More like you on TH-cam.
Thank you.
Great review thanks. Right to the point and just covers the stuff you need to know unlike so many other reviewers. I have an R5 and have just bought an R8 which impressed me when I tried it in the photography shop I work in. I have had to explain the differences to a few customers and your review nails the differences so well. I’ve subscribed and look forward to viewing your other videos.
Cool, thanks!
Great review Scott. I just bought the R6mark II and am very happy with it, I bought it cause I really wanted the eye focus but needed the IBIS, being 78 I get a little shaky holding the EF 100/400 for a couple of hours and I feel like my phone is vibrating. I also like the grip, I also had the RP and it was a little small for me I also have the R7 and it’s border line on the grip for me, I also had a bunch of extra batteries for the R7 so that worked out. I’m glad you did this video cause it will help a lot of people make the decision based on the price difference which wasn’t a factor for me. Thanks again lookin forward to the next video, oh if you use Lightroom classic please review the new update on noise reduction.
Congrats on the new camera. And thanks
I may do the new Lightroom Denoise video. Thanks for the reminder ;)
Great review. I had both in hand at a dealer. A point not mentioned, and what impressed me with the R8, is how dense it feels being so compact. In comparison the R6 felt a bit more hollow, as it probably also has more space in it? As my first mirrorless the R8 is very appealing to invest in glass and then buy later a higher end model like an upgraded R5
it does feel more 'dense'. Good catch. The R6 has more depth due to needing space for the larger battery , joystick, weather sealing, etc.
And good advice on the glass as its more important than the body really.
Im using 13 year ld lenses :)
nice review thanks! I think I will get R8. I'm surprised to see it in stock everywhere. In the past when a camera of this caliber was released it would take a while to get one due to high demand. I guess with so many good cameras being released the pool of potential buyers has shrunk.
I think the bottlenecks are not as sever now and for once Canon made enough units to meet demand. And its a weird release timing.
Thanks for the video, I went with the r8 and found the aftermarket grip before I saw your video. I’ve tried to help people realize they can save 1k and have a great camera.
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Decided for R6 ii yesterday because of (1) bigger battery, (2) IBIS for older EF and FD glass without stabilization and (3) for joystick to be a little bit more compatible with R7 (or a little bit less incompatibility :).
Will use it for hybrid shooting and in movie mode I will add EF 16-35 4.0 + stone age EF 100 2.0 for wider shots + R7 with EF 100-400 ii for compressed tele shots.
Thanks for the fair comparison!
👍 Grats on the new camera
Good points , especially regarding the unstabilized EF lens'
Currently looking to upgrade my aging 80D to a full frame mirrorless so I’m stuck between R6 and R6 m2 and R8. Having used the 80D for so long dual card slot and IBIS isn’t an issue BUT the battery. Leaning more towards the R8 as i already have good EF lenses including the TAMRON 70-200 SP and Sigma 18-35.
So far its been a great camera in that fun frame line at over 10k shots on it. Easy to do at 40 fps :)
I use R6 II and find the viewfinder really nice to use and since I use a reading glass I was concerned that I would have to carry my specs with me. Very clear and if works very nicely.
Also with the R6 II I could continue using batteries which I used on my old EOS 70D.
I didn’t see any mention of Wi-Fi features does the R8 have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi like the R6 II - more often than not I just transfer images using Wi-Fi connection.
Good video!
Thanks.
Same wifi, bluetooth etc as R6MKII.
EVF on the R8 is very clear also.
Sir you are my new favorite photography channel. I truly am appreciating your feed back and educational videos. I am proudly to say you help me decide to get the new R8 with the RF50 and the RF85 lenses to start playing with it. And I am blown away with the results compared to my IPhone 14 pro max. The R8 is the perfect beginner camera in my opinion. Thank you sir.
very cool
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! I love all your stuff. Question...I am BRAND NEW< a total newb, planning on getting my first full frame. I am going with Canon, and had been considering the R6mii, but after watching a lot of reviews, including yours obviously, I'm wondering if I'm better off saving the $$ and getting the R8? I'd like to be a well rounded photographer, but my main interest is birds/wildlife; possibly some astrophotography. My budget is about $4000 right now, I was considering the R6mii with the kit 24-105mm f/4-7.1 and the RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 to start, learn the camera, etc, BUT if I go with the R8 I could be a glutton and get the EF100-400mm f/4-5.6L IS USM. OR just save even more and get the R8, and those two cheaper lenses I mentioned. THIS is my dilemma. First world problems I know!! LOL Any advice from anyone appreciated.
thank.
I\I'd say r8, rf 14-35 f4, rf 24-105 f4, rf 100-400 are all great lenses
Same dilemma here. I'm considering a brand new R6 m1 since the price drop to 1599 us
You answered all my questions
Thanks for the vid Boss
Glad it was helpful
Hi Scott, that was an amazing and very comprehensive compo between the 6ii n the 8, plus u also offered some great work arounds. I particularly liked yr suggestion of adding a Batt grip on the 8 which not only doubled the battery but also provide a much better grip on the body thereby negating the advantage of the 6ii in that area. Great Stuff - hv Sub’d
Glad it was helpful!
I prefer the feel of the R6 Mark II plus it has IBIS and duel card slots. Since I use lots of non-stablaziled EF glass, IBIS really helpos.
just bump you shutter speed and stabilize yourself more. 5dMK III/IV didn't have IBIS and we didn't complain much 🤪
Thanks a lot for the detailed review and good to hear some real basic knowledge. I have been hearing that the R8 is a 2nd or even 3rd camera for professionals. So, that I understand the R8 would be perfect. But, as for me as an amateur photographer looking to make the switch to mirrorless and only to have 1 main camera, I think the R6II would be my choice. Would you agree.
Not really. If you have IS lenses the r8 would be a good pickup and adding the vello battery grip will help match the r6mkii batter life and feel better in the hand. just my opinion
This was very thorough thankyou and I think what won me over was your experience with the cheap battery grip. I really don't like those small batteries. I'm mostly happy with the Nikon Z8 but I have some good Canon lenses I've decided not worth selling but Canon becomes my B camera. Thanks again.
Glad it helped
Great video thank you Scott so informative
Glad you enjoyed it
If I get an R8, the first accessory I will get is a protective dust filter for the sensor.
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Great review. Thanks 🙏
Thanks for watching!
Great suggestion on that Vello extra battery grip.
thx
At 8:55 you just pushed shutter blades with your finger... And you shouldn't do it at all. Those are not "door" to keep you off touching the sensor.
I didn't Push it. just touched. But yes don't push it. Shadows may have made it looked pushed ;)
A very good review and comparison. Thanks for making this video.
Glad it was helpful
Interestingly I was able to shoot handheld a kingfisher with a fish in its mouth at 1/60 sec with a 500mm lens with a Canon camera with IBIS allowing a low noise photo in low light. The IBIS may make a difference between getting a usable photo with long lenses in low light if you shoot a lot in low light.
IBIS is going to help with the photographers shakes and wobbles
I'm just in the situation to decide which of the two cameras I should buy. I saved money for the Canon R6 mark II, but I still have 300 Euro until I reach the amount...I can wait, but in the mean time, with the money difference I can buy the Tamron 150-600mm G2 and replace my older Tamron 150-600.. G1 (I hope that the new Canon R8...6 cameras don't have problems with Tamron lenses...because my last camera was Canon 6D mark II and I didn't have problems ...).
Hard to decide. What would you do in my place?
Anyway thank you so much Scott for your reviews and wildlife videos, I learned a lot from you.
The 3rd party lenses for me are a no go usually. Even if they had better compatibility with the RF mount. I was never fond of the Tamron 150-600 even with my 5D MKIV found it to not be as sharp in a lot of areas vs the EF 100-400 MKII lens
@@WILDALASKA Thank you.
I love the R8, it’s a Bargain powerhouse!
agree
Finally got the r6 ii after selling the r6 & r7 love the r6 layout hated the r7 and it’s poor rolling shutter with the pre shoot feature which I loved now hopefully the r6ii will be fast enough to be able to cope also as I shooter landscapes too I loved the panoramic feature on the r7 which was another feature that tempted me to px the r6 towards the r6ii .
So at minute I’m well happy with the r6ii for everything at min but in time this will become my landscape body when canon produce the camera that the r7 should have been .hopefully a crop stacked bsi sensor is on the cards with the r5/6 button layout 🤞🤞🤞
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if the r8 existed when i bought the r6ii, i wouldve bought two r8. cool review.
thx
Hello. I really liked your review video. But I will ask you for help in choosing.
I shoot and edit nature travel and solo camp videos. I have a DJI RS3 gimmal, so I don't have any problems with stabilization. I can also handle battery life. I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and I can record from Apple Pro Press. Do I need to pay an extra $1000? I will use the 50 mm 1.4 only to shoot videos. What I need is 4k log 10 bit videos that I will shoot 3 or 4 minutes at a time. I have a v90 card. I shoot in cold weather. Thanks in advance for your answer.
R8 will do all that. And if you're on a gimbal then the ibis isn't an issue
8:55 man that's not a door literally that's your camera's mechanical shutter and is the most expensive part of a camera after the sensor! Which is not easy to repair and will cost your over 500$! I haven't activated shutter closing in my A7iv for that reason only as it is easy to wreck the shutter accidentally but the sensor can get dirty only and not scratched easily.
Great comparison BTW and I do agree. I have no idea why Canon cannibalized the R6ii in a few months with R8. For wildlife I see no reason to buy it over R8 for 1k$ more only for a better battery( the real difference which matters imo) specially cause the difference in buffer is not that much.
Misnomers. Plus with your shutter (door) not closed on power off you have a large risk of dust or particles getting into the camera and onto the sensor.
Not sure they way besides selling ore cameras, but im glad they did
@@WILDALASKA Dust on the sensor is not a big deal at all as it is so easy to clean. But a malfunctioned shutter is a pain in the a**! And I always change lenses camera face down. Having a lot of primes, haven't need to clean my sensor a single time yet!
@@networm64, r6m2 tem 20% mais qualidade de imagem comparado a R8.
Great view Scott!
thanks
I would think the r7 would be better for pure wildlife photogs, no? The APS-C sensor size will get you much more reach and cropability when compared to a full frame sensor any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. I'm an r6 II user, but I can't crawl through the woods anymore due to disability that's left me wheelchair bound, but if I was, I'd go with the r7 for that specific task.
Just depends on your shooting needs and how close you need to be to your subject. I think the sensor readout speed/ full frame vs reach is your deciding factors
For bird shooting I would probably get the canon R7 instead of any of these. The price is pretty good and it gives you 1.6 more distance with any lense. Now if its a wedding or professional shooting the R6 ii is a much better choice. R8 is just not for me.
The R7 and R6mki/R8 are different use tools. Ill be doing the r7 vs r8 very soon.
But yes if you going to shoot a lot of smalls the crop factor will help plus the amount of MP. You also have to take into account your depth of field cares between the 2 also.
Great video, thanks. If you add the battery grip to the R8, do you need to remove it every time you want to take the SD card out?
Yes. Or you can transfer by USB-C. Here's the video on the grip. th-cam.com/video/aIf66kEARC4/w-d-xo.html
@@WILDALASKA Thanks
Great review between the two cameras, but as a non wildlife photographer, the R6 II IBIS is the killer feature along with batteries. Thank you for the review!
If you're having to go SUPER low shutter speed and your handholding then yes IBIS will help, but if your tripod shooting a lot for landscape then its going to be a wash.
What I found interesting was with the 3rd party grip on the R8, the weight of the r8 was a couple ounces lighter than the R6mkII without its battery grip.
@WILDALASKA what about shooting my kids outdoor soccer and build quality?
Just subscribed to your channel. Great info and very timely. I just ordered the battery grip you reviewed for my new R8 that I now have in hand. :) And you exactly answered nearly all of my questions that I had on the R8. But I could not figure out one item: Is there any way to map to a custom button or the Q screen a toggle between the Electronic curtain vs the Electronic first curtain shutter? I couldn't find a way to do this, so I just set it up in My Custom Menu as a setting and have that setting pop up as my starting place when I hit the menu button. Other ideas? Thx!
Ill poke around some. I usually just stay to one type of shutter on each camera and from there change the 40 vs 20 fps in the quick menu in the viewfinder.
Ill drop a note if I see a way to add this. im sure there is somewhere
I have been wanting to upgrade my camera.. some people have said to get a r6 over the r8. Im new to wildlife and just now getting into sports. I was wondering what your thoughts where. I have a canon sl2 right now. Thanks for making these cool videos.
r8 over the r6. r6mkII over the R8 if that helps
@@WILDALASKA it helps. Thank you
I’m really considering r7 or r8 🤔
Really hard to come to a conclusion
doing a video next week on just that
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Great Video. I just got r8 as my B camera to R5 for wildlife - and as my backpacking light camera. I agree with all you have said but really miss c3 (my default wildlife after c1/c2 landscape on tripod / landscape handheld). And the r8 efcs is so loud, I would use electronic for wildlife to avoid scaring animals even with the sacrifice from 14 bit to 12 bit that goes with this choice.
And I would say - for me who focusses on bears/wolves... - the choice is really r8 24mpx or r5 45mpx - not R6ii.
Thanks. It's a great b camera for sure. I don't really notice the 14 vs 12 bit unless your going to print LARGE really.
And to be honest I never use the custom setups. I just have everything in manual and I only shoot wildlife, but I may have a second camera set up for panos and landscapes.
@@dscottstoness2436 Just upscale the files using LR/ACR's "Enhance" feature then output to the resolution of choice. I've done tests (lots of them) and the R6 II files upscaled using Enhance and output to 45 MP are sharper and more detailed than the R5 files at 45 MP (viewed at 100% zoom on a 5K monitor).
Also, I've had 8 MP 1D Mark II files printed on the side of city buses for ads and they look INCREDIBLE. Anybody who says 24 MP isn't enough for any size print doesn't know what they are talking about. This also applies to cropping.
R8 with BG added means I can’t directly access the memory card/swap - right?
Correct. It due to the camera not made for a grip. You can transfer bu USB-c or app. But taking the grip off is very fast. Just a spin of a dial and pop its off.
Here's the review on the grip which answers more detailed questions. - th-cam.com/video/aIf66kEARC4/w-d-xo.html
The R8 also has an AF feature called Subject to Select . The R6 MKII does not have that. Could you do a demonstration of the feature please?
ill add it t the list ;)
@@WILDALASKA thank you so much
I currently have an R7 for wildlife and macro but have had an RP since they first came out. I use mainly for landscapes, events and family photos. It has shortcomings but still gets great photos. Really tempted to replace it with R8. The battery ibis single card no big deal to me. Small size a plus for travel camera. What has me on fence is a used R6 is now within a 100 or 200 dollars of the R8. New R8 or a clean used R6? Leaning R8 but if right deal comes?
For me its the larger MP and much improved af and sensor readout speed of the r8
Agreed ! Better sensor all around. A skilled user should end up with a better result. Having spent many hours with the RP should be good to go strait away out of the box. Should be a no Brainer. Still tuff call though.
@@edwardoliver971 I have had an RP for over 2 years and just got the R8. My shooting style is almost exactly like what you described your is. I wanted to do more action as my grandkids are playing more sports now. After 2 days in my hand, the R8 is simply amazing compared to the RP. Autofocus is much better on my RF lenses, including the RF 100-400 with a 2x extender. The only minor ding is my muscle memory going from the RP to the R8 when switching off the camera. I find myself instead switching from still to video (left side switch) on the R8 instead of on/off. But after a couple of days usage I am already learning to use the right side switch to power on / off the R8. My soon to be 10 year old granddaughter, will get my RP as a birthday present for her first real camera (she has been asking me). I am glad I decided to wait on the R7, since I wanted more speed, but didn't want to spring for a $2500 camera like the R62. The R8 is in my opinion, the best answer to an alternative for the RP/R7 combo.
15:09 Could you tell me what that is? The Raw output hdmi? I thought it had to do with video footage but it's if you have it on a screen monitor or if you want to screen record? I'm not exactly sure what that feature is for?
So if you want to record footage from your camera in raw high bit rate you can't do that on the R8 but can for the R6MKII. This is more for studio or video work vs in the field wildlife. Even though if you are a Prue wildlife video person this may be something you need. You can record out of it in lower bit rates.
@@WILDALASKA Finally! Thank you for replying🙏 that’s what I thought 💭 so you can color grade the video footage since you’re recording in high bit rate? It’s really for video or film 🎥 people right? More to work with in editing 🎞️
HI, I am currently looking to upgrade from my old canon 80D (which I have been using for about over 2 years) to a mirrorless camera. My focus is more in photography than videography. Could you please recommend me from these options: Canon R8, R6, R6 ii or Sony a7iii.
I own Sigma 18-35 and Tamron 70-200 G2 as my lens.
You need to just go rent the cameras your interested in and then decide for yourself based on your photo needs.
@@WILDALASKA the rent option is not available in my country 😅. Could you recommend one for me?
Hi do you think the r8 camera will be good to photograph the swifts and swallows?
Yes the af will lock them up well.
The Video was excellent until you said that it is your "C" camera. Look, I have a T7i. I am improving my wildlife photography very fast and I am also very good at Lightroom Classic. I am looking for a mirrorless full frame camera and, after analyzing and watching your video I thing that the R6 would last far more (talking about capabilities and technology). What do you think?
R8 over the R6 all day. That's the r6 not the mkii.
Get the battery grip made by Vello. There's a link in the description for order from amazon.
Reasons: Better Autofocus, MUCH better sensor, if you have battery grip them your at same battery life, with grip the camera feels better. up to 40 fps, up to 180 fps video with no crop. list goes on and on really.
It is my studio camera BUT I am heading to Katmai to shoot brown bears and I think im going to take the r8 as my second camera to my Z9 over the r7. Just to get better wide shots and less rolling shutter.
hope this helps
Thanks, but The R6 mark II vs R8? As a Camera A? @@WILDALASKA
if the price difference isn't a factor then the r6mkii just for the larger starting battery and IBIS. if those aren't a factor then grab the r8 and save some money@@martinmazzeo2699
That was a great comparison/review. As a back up camera the R8 is great but as a main camera I think there is a lot of value in that $1000 difference.
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True. Just depends on your needs and what you shoot. For wildlife and you don't have super shaky hands, I'd say r8, otherwise the r6mkII
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I compared fast Sandisk UHS-II cards (260 MB/s write) to slower UHS-I cards (90 MB/s write) from Sandisk and Kingston on my R6II and the difference isn't that big. The faster cards took ~13 seconds to clear the buffer (~105 CRaw photos at ISO 3200) while the slower cards took ~20 seconds. To me, the faster cards are not worth 5 times the price even though i shoot birds in flight at 40fps.
Good info.
So the fast UHS II v90 are 300 mb/s write speed and v30's are 70 mb/s write speed.
Even with the speeds you stated that's 7 seconds difference which is a lot.
The 300 mb's write sustained speed cards are sub 10 second to around 6 seconds to offload. (on buffer lockout)
And also were to as concerned ( at least me) with full offload on a buffer strike. Rather the feather ability of the card to only lift shutter finger for a split second to stay unlimited for the most part in feathering.
@@WILDALASKA The number written on the card is usually the read speed. My Sandisk 300 MB/s cards have a specified write speed of (up to) 260 MB/s. However, there's always some processing involved when pictures are written to the card (preview jpg, picture profile, lens correction, compression) and even Raw files are processed to some extent. The fast card (260 MB/s write) gave me a measured in camera (R6II) write speed of ~130 MB/s while the slower UHS-I card (90 MB/s write) wrote at ~86 MB/s.
@@loony7002 you have to check the manufacturer site usually and your looking for the consistent write speed also. the ones I have are 299 on the consistent write speed
Thank you for comparing these - I was curious
glad it was helpful
Did you finger the mechanical shutter lol that’s a recipe for breakage. It’s really fragile
No just pointed to it. Studio light shadows make it look like it was touched.
By the time ya spend more money on the grip for r8 ya might as well just get the r6m2
the grip is less than $60 plus 70 battery. you still saving almost $900.
@@WILDALASKA not here in nz
Do you know if the RF lenses have IS?
most do
Wait for the R6 MK III?
lol
If you say Canon R8 has better AF than the Nikon z8/9 Nikon fans will rage they can’t handle truth. 😅
It is better in a lot of situation but there are times I get better performance on the Z8/Z9
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I hate when people tell me that what I buy is up to me. no kidding. the reason I watched your video is to get advice on what to do. so thanks for nothing. try taking a stand and having an opinion
I did. Statement was get the grip - bank the $1300 savings and invest in a upgrade or new lens.
My advise was to go rent and test yourself. YOUR shooting needs are different than mine and the next person.
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Thank you !
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thank you