Civic Type R Breaks 415 Wheel Horsepower... (But It's Slower?)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2021
- Today we're getting the Honda Civic Type R FK8 Tuned with the the Hondata Fuel System and the PRL Flex Fuel Kit....But will the tires be able to handle the additional horsepower?
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You're my Go to for anything Type R related.
The Type R videos are always my favorite. Thanks for the great content!
I havent watched any of these but im getting ready to binge! This is dope man! Im still hunting for an old Type R (my unicorn) to build! Thanks for the content dude
Cant wait for the next video. Always wondered how redstars cars are able to shift so fast without griding!
good video! You get a better angle with the POV GoPro shot than I do. also, ordering a Dragy right now with your amazon link!
The trick is to use the hat mount, with the mount inverted. And the bill of the hat angled up at a 45 degree angle
Get out of here cameron.... This is a real content creator.
You'll take a long break after your girl leaves you and you fall off the band wagon.
@@clintpopham5691 sounds like you're deflecting LMAO. Two very different personalities that show case their content in different ways. No one really cares what you think.
Edit: my typos
@@clintpopham5691 Why are you being a dick? They're two different types of content. I enjoy both of them.
@@clintpopham5691 Seems you need a session.
Your shifting is much improved!!
Great vid! These type R’s are so damn fun. What’s up with that 1LE though! Can’t wait for more content on that please! Loooool
I gotta video on the Camaro coming in a couple of days
Exciting times. I had recently bought a brand new type r turbo and CTR inlet etc for the Accord. But instead going the MHI Group stage 2 turbo.
Yeeesss do the clutch pedal adjustment! I need to do it as well but im a bit confused on how to do it.
Love it! I think this car can win out on some highway pulls!!!
I agree
I think also, if you can reach 60 while in second gear with higher rpms you would be able to have a faster 0-60 time. Bad ass CTR!
I totally agree
You need to peddle it a little and unfortunately short shift in both the top of 1st and 2nd, yeah not having say another 400-500rpm sucks as you have to shift into 3rd.
But yeah 100% get those R888R on and it’ll make loads of difference I’m sure 🙌 great video fella!
Absolutely agree. I’ve done faster pulls by changing up short of the Rev limiter. I also find hot tyres helps a lot. Some of my best hooked pulls have been after I’ve been driving at 70 mph and pull up at a set of lights. If I’m just driving around locally although the car is up to temp the tyres aren’t as I’ve only been cruising around at low speeds.
@@davemorris6747 I have a 2021 model (I think USA call it 2022) and it puts the power down really well. 5.7 was easy even in mildly damp cold conditions too. I reckon I could get 5.4-5.3 even stock now weather here in UK is getting better
I have a set of Accelera 651 Sports on the car. They seem to be better than federals but I wonder how they stack up to the R888’s
The bog right after you let the clutch out is killing your time lunch at a higher RPM let them spin a little bit to keep the forward momentum up and the bog down good luck car is sick by the way
I'll definitely try that, Thank you for the help man
Redstar motoring is from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷, home of some of the fastest imports in the world.
I did 5,4 seconds from 0 to 100 with my stock 2017 CTR. We have 98 octane and I did an octane booster to it, so it was more or less 103 octane. I started in second gear.
Nice! These cars react really well to better fuel
Oh and the 2021 changes would help loads, my 2021 (22 I think you call them in the US) put the power down way better also. Stock for stock my 2021 was about half a second to 60 quicker than the 2017-2020 models and it’s down to how it puts the power down.
Which changes do you think helped the most? I currently have the 2021 grill on it but that's it regarding 2021 mods
Were are the glocks and riffles at man?... jk brother I support all your channels. Wish I had a type r. Keep up the good videos bud.
@@justinhedrick2906 haha same bro.
Do you crunch second at all? Seems to be a prob for me when I get into it.
How do you get your hondata app to connect? I cannot get mine to connect on the app but my flashpro connects to the head unit.
I bet if you would have done before and after 60-130 testing where traction isn’t a factor as much, you’d notice a much better improvement. These new turbo k series motors are way more torquey than the old n/a motors were. A good set of Toyo r888r’s would help a ton as well.
from my experience launching the car, at redline it cuts throttle so when you smack the limiter at each shift for anything more than a few tenths of a second, you lose nearly half a second in the 0-60. you can tell by the pitching of the camera angle that the car is pitching forward before the shifter even moves, this is showcasing the throttle cut. shifting at 5700 works best from what i found, especially since the power kinda fades off after 5252 rpm
That's really good to know man, I'll try that
Can you do an installation video on the hondata mobile app on your screen? It would help a lot!
For sure man
Also notice the less you bang the rev limiter, the faster you go. Spending too much time between shifts. Try the no lift shift with Hondata and it'll help
I'll definitely try that, Thank you man!
Don’t just dump the clutch when launching , try feathering it just a little right at the engagement point. This will definitely need to happen when you get the 888s. Also 1800 might be too low of rpm.
Awesome man, thank you so much for the tips
@@TacticalToolbox no problem. I’m by no means a professional but I come from the 500 AWHP STI club where we have to feather the clutch while launching to prevent bogging. Love the videos by the way. Been following your shooting side of things for a while now.
I would have to say install at least a rear motor mount. It makes the connection to the motor and car so much better. You lose the slack the factory motor mount has. Tires are a must like you said. Off the line try to get it going but not to the extent where you know the tires are going to break.
I was thinking about doing that
@@TacticalToolbox you 100% should get the Hasport 62A's... NIGHT AND DAY difference. The launches will feel so much better and it firms up everything. Even the shifting will improve. If you have no already, also consider Hybrid Racing's Detent and Shift selector spring upgrades... Firms everything up even more. For Shifter cable bushings, I would go with Acuity. If Acuity released a detent and selector spring, Id go Acuity over Hybrid, but last I checked, Acuity didnt have a FK8 spring kit yet.
Where did you get your mount for your radar detector?
How’s that transmission fluid helping u
you should get a gauge for the ethanol since the hondata apps reads via bluetooth theres a delay.
I might
With front wheels drive you need to go half way with the rpm then shift into 2nd then full throttle whiles in 2nd and switching to 3rd
I'll try that
Literally the best Type R you tuber. I’m a die hard Bimmer guy hence the name. Then I laid eyes on the type R literally the sexiest car I’ve ever seen 🤣. Instantly made me buy it I love this car!
I didn’t see a rear motor mount in your build list. A rear motor mount (or full motor mount kit) along with stickier tires should help your 0-60 time quite a bit. You could also do valve springs and retainers and bump your redline up so you can hit 60 in second gear..
I have one on the way
@@TORQToolbox I went with the Hasport 62A rear motor mount. It made a big difference and didn’t add too much NVH which matters to me because I daily my FBO CTR lol.
Brooo what the hell I lost your gun channel and now you pop up building a type r. Epic man just subbed
haha....Yeah I like doing both
How much is a street tune from RedStar?
I just threw some 595 RS pro’s on my 5.0 and it hooks pretty well
I'll definitely check those out
That’s a completely different car, using RWD. Simple physics just doesn’t favor a FWD setup, like the CTR, no matter how sticky your tire is on the street.
Small correction. There is now also the XDI replacement high pressure fuel pump. With the stock, OEM injectors and OEM tank fuel pump, this is capable of producing around 480 HP. With a higher volume tank fuel pump and either Hondata or XDI injectors, the pump is capable of producing over 600 HP.
The XDI fuel pump is also capable up to 8500 RPM, according to their website information. I read elsewhere that is better to limit it to 7800 RPM, but I cannot recall where I read that.
Thank you for all of your work and the valuable information. I hope the info above proves helpful.
Nice! that wasn't available when I got mine, it used to only work with Motec ECUs.
@@TORQToolbox correct. Finally got added in Hondata Flashpro!
Where did you get your rims?
The type r's in the drag racing clips, kinda sound like an ecoboost. The lower compression turbo engines. Also for your 0-60, maybe you should try not red lining your 1st gear so much, and bouncing it off the limiter for a split sec. Maybe that could help you out a little.
I noticed that to when I watched the video back
I wouldnt spend much time chasing 0-60 times when modding a turbo fwd car. Once you keep adding power, that number will eventually stay the same or deminish/get worse due to traction. Thats why people will ask for the 60-130 times, really shows how the cars parts and tune work together and pull it through the powerband.
Just start in second at the perfect rpm for torque you will get under t depending on you tires road etc.
Then car pulls real hard, I feel a lot of your issue with time is your waiting to long to shift. Banging the rev limiter is just costing you time also cutting fuel as well. Try shifting 2-300 rpm earlier I can almost guarantee it will help reduce your times
My Accord 2.0t with a sub and child seats in it ran a 5.4 0-60 with a ktuner and catted downpipe. I know your car is way quicker
How much was your tune from redstar? About to get hondata and was wondering. Thanks
About $500
Same man. The 2nd gear grinding issue seams to be normal especially when first driving the car. It’s happened to me twice. First it didn’t want to go into 2nd and would grind while trying to go in. I had to pump the clutch 2-3 times and it didn’t happen again till another 2K miles. I’m guessing something with the clutch master along with 2nd gear working together to cause this issue
My cars at 20K btw
@@alexvillalobos7137 What year is it? I think the 2020 models got the carbon syncros which made all the difference.
@@JonHop1 2018 and are these 2020 with carbon syncros smoother or can they hold more power
@@alexvillalobos7137 both. The carbon syncro can take much more abuse. They are far better. I upgraded my Type S to full Syncrotech Carbon kit and it was NIGHT AND DAY!.. The shifting was more precise and no more grinding. While I wouldnt say they are "smoother", but they are a much better syncro and they handle hard shifting much better.
There’s some aftermarket traction systems that will sort the traction problems👍
Im using the Hondata Traction Control, I'm going to tweak the settings more
Hondata's Traction Control is pretty dang good.. Yeah, some stand-alone's have way better systems, but Hondata is fine, he just needs a stickier tire if he cares about 0-60... For me, I hate launching FWD cars and its so hard on the whole drivetrain unless the car is purposefully built to handle launching. I DSS 2.9's on my Type S and I snapped those bad boys. Couldn't believe it. I prefer just sticking to roll races now.
What radar detector is that?
Have u got a intercooler that would pump hp little more I have the Injen
yessir, I have every bolt-on power adder that's available aside from the bigger turbo
CDV delete on the slave cylinder will definitely alleviate your 2nd gear grind
I recently just hit 403 whp and 406 torque without hondata fuel system on 104 octane fuel. No methanol. Just bolt ons and tune
Hey the car guy is a gun guy too.
My understanding is that there various FK8s without the Hondata Fuel System, stock clutch, stock internals, stock turbo getting 420-430whp with just Hondata, Meth and FBOs.
Yeah you can definitely make over 400 using meth
Yeah, the only problem is the Stock high pressure fuel pumps will fail,
Honestly port injection is the only way to support big hp, upgraded di fp is just limited. Either you just pony up for a Motec or get a Split sec aux injection controller.
That would definitely help, I know that Redstar has a couple of Type R's with the Hondata Fuel System, and PRL Turbo upgrade putting down 576whp without port
You don't buy a FWD car to be a 0-60 monster so don't feel bad but you need to master that 1st gear launch because you are bogging. I had 2nd gear grind synchro issue with my Acura Type S. How are you liking the Megan springs ?
I agree man, I'm using the Swift springs and Megan Camber arms, so far they're perfect
Give it some more rpm and slip the clutch on the launch
I never launch my FWD MK7 GTI 6spd manual IS38 400whp because:
1. It just hurts the clutch so much and not worth a clutch upgrade just to launch the car
2. No matter how well you do on the launch in the street, the 0-60mph time will always be slow compared to a RWD or AWD setup. My stock E46 M3 did 4.8 seconds all day long, with less power than my modified MK7 GTI, all because it’s RWD.
2. No matter the tire mods, suspension, how well you launch it, it will always be slow.
So for these reasons, I only focus on what it’s good at, and thats roll races.
What is your other channel on guns?
How do you feel about the whole gun grab fiasco?
His other channel is called Tactical Toolbox. He does a lot of really cool builds on there.
Sounds like the tree 🌳 of liberty 🗽 will need to be watered again.
I feel like it's tyranny....
Raise your redline to 7400rpm! Its limited to 7000 because the fuel pump will max out. I have the same setup and push mine to 7600, which is about 66mph in 2nd gear. Really lowered my 0-60 times if thats what youre chasing !!!
is anti lag for this car bad??? i honestly wanted to get one if i get this car
You'll need stronger rods and pistons to use anti-lag, otherwise kaboom
5.52 is still good and faster for Type R in 60 Second. 0-60 second is not important but important is that you drove fast as you can and see what was the second, that’s it. Maybe you should try meth kit to help the turbo spool with cooling down and could be help the turbo engine gain more hp and torque. Good luck!
I have a meth kit, I just need a couple more parts like the fail safe gauge before I install it
I understand now, no problem. It sounds a like good plan.
Honestly you really do need new tires and you’ll see the difference for sure.
totally
Interested to see how the motul ATF will work. Im on the GM syncromesh FM. Let us know how you like it!
I've got a 2020 boost blue R and its only got 2500 miles on it and have noticed the 2nd gear grind and even lockout of trying to go fromc3rd to 4th gear. I've heard GM synchromesh helps, but curious as well on the Motul Atf
@@brunocamarinha9921 the GM did help and so does adjusting the CMC rod below the clutch pedal. You still can’t be slamming 2nd gear though. I have a 2019. Never experienced any lock outs
Redline MTL solved my 2cnd gear grind on my 08 SI.
I already have motul multi atf on my CTR and it is amazing
Amsoil is the ONLY way to go...
It just feels like ass launching this car. This is my 3rd Honda and the others you could abuse on a launch and it doesn’t matter because they have no power, but with the ctr it’s just too violent. It’s just not a drag car sadly. You can definitely do pretty well from a roll, but it’s hard to launch.
the fastest I've seen stock type rs hit is 4.9 seconds after adding this much power I feel you just gotta give up on dig racing and stick to roll racing
People want to argue how you can setup a FWD car to launch wel, and then talk about drag strip times when discussing street driven vehicles. Well, I find that odd because drag strip vs the street are completely different scenarios haha, but to put it in perspective, the CTR that did a 10.2 at the drag for the world record, if a RWD car had the same power as that CTR, the time would be in the 9’s. It’s basic physics people!! Launching a FWD car is just not as good as a RWD or AWD platform. Period.
Thats not traktion Control off.
You need to be in R mode. That press esp off... But you need press it again and hold. Its disable not only the esp... Much more automatically
Or i think you need to press just one time but hold it after esp gets off....
I cant remember correctly but its one ot the another. But iam pretty sure there are 2 esp off modes in R mode
shutup
Yeah you press it once it partially disables it, but if you keep the button pressed it fully disables it
For 0-60 you gotta use drag racing tricks, traction will absolutely help. Suspension tweaks can change the weight shift on launch. And if you want the best surface you need to use a prepped track. But I respect the homegrown tuner thing very cool.
100% agree man
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I'm confused?
@@TORQToolbox a single frame of footage
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I know right
26540r18 you will avoid the wheel spin
Finally
The gear ratios on most Honda's are not for the best 0-60 times. More like for taking off from a dead stop on a hill with a fully loaded car without the need to slip the clutch, making a shift to third necessary to reach 60. It's high time Honda made 1st and 2nd gear taller. Soo...when u add power, they just spin like crazy. They now have high torque motors and do not need short lower gears. A 0-80 or 1/4 mile time would be more representative of your added power. I know your trying to keep things legal on the street. Enjoy!
You might want to try a second gear start with a little clutch slip thereby eliminating one shift. I would not make a habit of it.
Lower the boost by gear
Youre bogging the launch. Bring the rpms up higher on launch
WHy dont people just drop the DI on these things and go full port? It makes no sense if you wanna make power... The DI system holding everyone back.
You need launch control
Power + FWD on a FK8 is pointless especially when tracking the vehicle. Most I would aim for is 350 hp.
You guys saying 0 to 60 doesn't matter don't realize it's just a measurement, it's an easy way to see if mods or improvement in driving skill is making a difference or not. Also you can do this on the street relatively safely without breaking the speed limit. Not everyone has access to a drag track or a dyno. The rest of guys saying 0 to 60 doesn't matter just drive slow cars. 🤷♂️
Exactly man, I don't want to incriminate myself by posting videos of 60-130 or 1/4 mile times on the street
Start dropping some weight.
Just turn down your torque targets in 1st and 2nd
We're working on that now
330HP and a DCT and that would blow past 4.5 secs easy.
Agreed
You would be sub 5s all day if you would stop banging the rev limiter for half a second on each shift. Start shifting at 6500 and your times will be sub 5.
Honestly to tell you the truth your traction control is still on fully. Your only partly off. You need to do the pedal dance to fully disable to get that better launch. There is videos on how to disable traction control fully.
Not 2 b rude but the type r is a circuit racing car not a drag car
Agreed, It's just a way for me to measure the improvement of mods without breaking the law
@@TORQToolbox well sometimes you have to break the law. I'll show you my type r, just been busy with work i tune it and drive around in the GTA like circuit
I also don't think 0-60 is all that important. I want traction and acceleration off corners and nice turn in. I have a 2021 that I'll get on the road in 2 weeks, once the roads have been cleaned here in BC! Winter sand makes sporty driving a little challenging around here.
Sorry, left out my question! What modification do you think would improve the mid range torque the best?
I agree, It's just a way for me to measure the improvement of mods without breaking the law
@@bsmith1164 Downpipe, 3 inch exhaust and a tune
Stop shifting at redline
the 0 - 60 runs is something this car is just not meant to be good at. FWD with a short ratio manual that requires shifting to third to reach 60, means that you have no chance of being fast to 60. At least not on the street tires. It's okay though, this car is meant for limit handling on a twisty mountain road. Stop trying to get the car to do something it was never designed for.
Some light weight volk t37 with some aggressive sticky tires, and you'll touch 0-60 in about 4.9 seconds
I think my wheels are only about 1lb heavier than the TE37s
Over rev dude
lol true
0-60 isn't too important to me. Most of the time you aren't going to be launching the car but you will feel the upgrade whenever you enter the highway onramp.
Do u own one?
You guys trying to drag race / 0-60 fwd cars kill me. You literally can't pick a worse platform for this.
It's just a way for me to measure the improvement of mods without breaking the law
I know plenty of people north of 400 on stock fuel system... meth...
Its ridiculous people resorting to using methanol on a motor that could easily handle 600whp if you just rip out the DI and go full port.. DI blows..
Totally agree man, the downside is it works for a while then the High Pressure Fuel pump starts failing
@@TORQToolbox There are def pro's and con's to Direct Injection.. For a nice daily sports car, its great. It burns good and gets great efficiency and combustion so you can get more power and torque. Problem comes down to flow and and tuning and higher RPM and HP applications. VERY difficult to get right on the tuning side and its very difficult to flow enough fuel. This and DI tends to gunk up SUPER fast when pushing a lot of fuel. Carbon deposits will take their toll. I have nothing against Direct Injection, just not for making Power in these motors. Its just not ideal because these K motors just flow so damn good up top its almost a sin to limit those heads with Direct Injection. But I get why they do it. I think 4-Piston said that with the DI, the K20C1 flows about 2/3rds as good as the old K-series head, and when the DI is removed, the flow the same if not better.
Car needs different operator
lol true story
@@TORQToolbox you shoot much better lol
Why are you trying to drag race a Type R? To each his own but this is the wrong car for that and seems a waste of a great driving car. It will be a collector one day and is not a cheap car.
Bro, go to the line. Switch gearbox to 2nd gear. Get launch from 4-5-6rpm and you can get 0-60 with 1 shifting, not 2. Also you will have better start on 2nd.
I'll definitely try that