Mr.Alex and Mr.Patrick, as a Korean citizen I can tell both of you that our military had been using the K1A(thr official military designation) and the K2 full-heartedly. The K1s started life as an attempt to create thr first all-Korean rifle(Daewoo manufactured M16A1s under license before) and was put into service in early 1980s. The difference between a K1 and K1A is that K1s had conical flash hider while the K1As had an elongated birdcage-like flash hiders. Then the K2s were first put into service in mid-1980s to replace the aging M16s(most of which had seen service in the Vietnam War). Now, after more than three decades, the Korean military is modernizing both the K1As and K2s. The K1As are getting their polymer handguards replaced with quadrails and the K2s are getting a receiver-length rails so the rifles can be mounted with a Red dot or a 4-power optic. Thank you for all the hard work going into making these videos. Jack From South Korea.
I owned a Daewoo rifle. It was superior to the AR-15 in several ways. Besides the obvious ability to fold the stock, the three-position, adjustable pressure knob on the gas block was great design. The front sight post hood however, paired to the AR styled rear sight, instantly created a sight picture that was as fool-proof as a 1x scope because there were no front sight ears, you just made sure the rear and front ring overlapped as one then the front sight tip was effortlessly centered every time. And using AR-15 pattern magazines just made its utility perfect. The only reason I gave it up during the ban was parts availability to keep it running and its increased value.
MrWalkwaySc2 Useless for preventing crime. But useful for disarming the populace. That has been the goal of most bans on weapons throughout history. Governments have a tendency to become power hungry over time and there are some lawmakers here in the United States that are embracing that ideology. I'm not saying that guns should be totally unregulated but there are a lot of authoritarian gun laws on the books, most of which do nothing to stop crime (89' ban, 86' full auto ban, and mag capacity limits in states like NY and CA to name a few)
***** The only reason why I say that they should not be totally unregulated is because of the fact that there are members of our society (e.g. violent criminals and the mentally ill) who are unfit to own weapons. But I agree it is not the government's place to deny law abiding citizens their second amendment rights, and these ridiculous bans they have at local, state, and federal levels are blatantly unconstitutional.
MrWalkwaySc2 There was little push back because the US manufacturers benefited from the import ban. Consumers got screwed, just like all government intrusion into markets.
"Val-met" We don't have silent letters in Finnish ;) Valmet is short for "Valtion metallitehtaat" - "State's metal factories". After WW2 the Soviets imposed restrictions to the size of the Finnish military according to the Paris peace treaty. It was feared that the Soviets would regard arms manufacturers as part of the Finnish military strength, so the weapons manufacturers were merged with other state-owned heavy industry, including the ones that built ships for the Soviet Union as war reparations, and thus Valmet was born.
The Soviet Union started the Winter War. I am unclear about the start of the continuation War. The Finn's kicked butt in both, but had to sue for Peace due to logistictics, and you have to pay Reparations? That Sucks.
Daewoo K1 was made as a SMG. It was unintentionally way ahead of its time being SMG that fires 5.56. Currently it is used as default by most tank crews or any MOS that requires working in tight spaces. It is also used by many recon or special duty teams, but their K1 are moded with handguard rail making it possible to attach optics and front grips and what not. K2 on the other hand still only get very limited mod option in Korean military with only top rail officially issued for the military (5 years ago they had handguard rail system but idk where they went). K2 with toprail and 11K reddot optic was my service rifle in ROK Marine Corps. Currently both K2 and K1 are being replaced by K2c which is modernized K2 with m4 style buttstock and handguard and top rail as well as front grip for attaching accesaries. K2c has shorter barrel than K2 (as K2c = K2 carbine). It will replace both K2 and K1.
hulk hogan Another fun fact is that they have to be at least third-degree Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do (although I would think it's useless against gunfire).
Brad Chang. That guy from Herricks. Yeah, if a shooting war breaks out being a big, strong Taekwondo master honestly won't be all that helpful. You can't exactly spin kick a bullet or artillery shell.
Out of the 5, I'd take the AR70 and/or Valmet ALL DAY. If you're a fan of the SAN Swiss Arms SG-55x series of rifles, check out the history of the AR70. It's a shame we didn't see Swiss Arms and Beretta stick together. Could only imagine what kind of magic the two companies would've created. Not to mention, with Beretta's pull in the firearm industry, we probably would've seen much more of the 55x series/style of rifles imported. We potentially could've seen modern/upgraded variations of the rifles as well.
The Beretta AR-70 barrel was equipped with a shroud because there was a grenade launcher attachment that went on it. It would fire the newer FN "bullet through" grenades that didn't need blanks to launch. The bullet passed through the first generation versions (and out the front) and was "captured" inside the rifle grenade in later versions. These grenades were marketed aggressively in the late 80's but I don't even know if they are still made today.
On the AR70, I think the best guess for the removable flash hider would indeed be it was meant to mount a rifle grenade launching device of some kind. To my knowledge, the Italian Army never adopted the AR70 for general use. Only a few were distributed to special operations units and amphibious forces in the '80s. The rest of the troops went from the Beretta BM59 straight to the AR70/90 in the mid-90s. When I did my conscription in the Italian Army (in the early '90s) our BM59s had a special attachment to the muzzle made to shoot Super Energa rifle grenades, and a folding sight to go with it. There were three variants of the BM59: standard (infantry), TA (mountain troops) and TP (airborne troops). The standard had a wooden stock and fixed muzzle device for rifle grenades, the TA a folding metal stock and fixed device, the TP folding stock and detachable device. My guess would be Beretta planned something similar for the AR70. Actually, I wouldn't swear on it, but I think early models of the AR70/90 had a rifle grenade launching device as well.
I was lucky enough to be a part of a family that seriously believed in having as many hunting, sporting and defensive weapons. I'll never forget my 16th birthday in 1986. I was gifted a Norinco AK, Franchi Spas12 and a Baretta 92. Good times.
I had a Daewoo Gas Piston model, K2 I believe. I liked it better than my M16A1 rack issue rifle because on recoil with the Daewoo I never lost sight of my target and I did for an instant with the M16.
+TFB TV U guys should brush up on up to date information... You cannot even get the country of origin right... It is not that hard: you only do a 5 second search on the web.
+TFB TV U guys should brush up on up to date information... You cannot even get the country of origin right... It is not that hard: you only do a 5 second search on the web.
Valmet is Val-tion Met-allitehtaat (Government Metal Industries). The "Met" part is almost the same as in the English pronunciation of the word "metal" with a bit more effort on the final "t". The "Val" is a bit harder as there is no exact equivalent "A" in standard English. You can approximate by saying "value" and shifting the A in the "val-" (us Finns would usually hear that as an "Ä", with the dots) towards the "A" sound in the English word "tall" for instance, which Finns would typically hear as an "O" for their Finnish.
I love the Daewoos. Having used the M16 through my 26 year Military career I found that I could recover my sight picture sooner with either Daewoo. Having retired and living in Calif. I have had to dispose my Daewoos and my FNC, another nice rifle.
I wish you guys would remember to say the average prices of each gun. It's a fact that I'm always interested in just to know and to help compare with other guns
Collin Petersen With guns no longer made, like these, it is very difficult to do. Also, in videos where we do list prices, we get blasted by people saying, "I can't find those prices near me!". -Alex
Hello guys! Loved the video! Nice to see a RK variant on the table. I used to serve in the Finnish marines and have carried an RK62 and the modernizied version the 92. When pronouncing Valmet the T isn't silent, well now you know! Keep up the good work! P.s. had no idea it was a line cutter
I'd like you to consider that the Sig 556, Armalite AR 18 and Australian Leader Dynamics T2 Mk V are also great AR alternaves especially since one of them is still currently produced and imported.
I would love to have a deawoo. Those are cool, I was stationed in Japan for 2 years and their defense forces used a copy of this rifle. But instead of a colapsing stock it was sode folding. Cool rifle. And your picks on this one are spot on.
I had the M76 .223 it was very reliable, accurate too. Fed reloads other guns would not take. Never cleaned it w 1000+ rds and it never failed me at all. Very well made.
That Berretta rifle is definitely one bad ass sporting rifle. That is a grenade firing adapter you unscrewed. You don't see to many of them compared to the others. Nice quality camera too.
At 10:02 Patrick is holding the rifle pointing straight up and turns it so that a top down view is shown. I found that to be very helpful. Many of the firearms you feature are rare or hard to obtain (especially here in California). Showing as many angles and details as possible is always welcome. Great vid guys, keep em coming!
The AR70 had a rifle grenade sleeve on its barrel. In its military configuration, it has a flip up sights similar to the Zastava M70 rifle that blocks the gas and prevent it from reciprocating.
Several years ago I owned a Valmet and liked it but this version had a flaw in that if the bolt slammed home when charging the weapon it would slam fire, returned it and a spring was added to slow the firing pin
Thanks for another great video! And it is pronounced with the T in the end. In general, Finnish has very few silent letters. Source: I'm from Finland. Have to say, we were not overly fond of our RK's (62/76 although mine was Sako-made) during my military service- although that was probably because hey, we had to carry them around in the field all the time :)
Wonder if maybe the AR-180 could have been in this list. Well the AR-18 select fire cousin influenced several other variants like the famous HK G-36 & British SA-80. The AR-18 was a favorite for the IRA. It was also used in the first Terminator movie during to police station shootout scene.
Someone probably chimed in below, but the Beretta AR70 muzzle device is a 22mm rifle grenade interface. It's a NATO thing. The A1 and A2 flash hiders on M16s are the diameter they are to allow for the use of 22mm rifle grenades. The standard muzzle devices on the G3, FAL, FAMAS, etc are all owe their exterior dimensions to the NATO spec rifle grenade. I don't know if the Italians still use them, but the French certainly still do.
mingheemouse Interesting bit of info I wasnt aware of, thanks! Learn something new everyday... And the French sure do love their rifle grenades dont they? They still use them today I think. They gotta be one of the last major military's that still do right? Apparently theyre more accurate and powerful than 40mm grenades.
K1 Daewoo is defo a great gun. the ROK SWC soldiers were well known for using the hell out of them. they actually have great firing range for their size
That last AK variant seems like a really good rifle if you are into AKs but have reservations about the notorious accuracy problems of you're mainstream AK variants. That might even be my next buy
Karhuu1 That's damn good, and considering it's a rifle that uses technology from the 1940's, I'm impressed with AKs overall. I just want the best bang for my buck.
yupp, and our instructor said that the spread due to the rifle and ammunition was about the length of the casing. Altho to be exact we were using sako made RKs, but i imagine the quality is the same. Oh and that was of course using iron sights. (and as a sidenote Lapua ammunition was used) Hope you will find yourself a good rifle :)
The ar70 has that shroud and flash hider setup so that they did not have to turn that ring infront of the rear sight into the barrel. The ring is for rifle grenades, the flashidet and a a section behind it must be 21mm to fit and stabilize a rifle grenade.
I REALLY LOVE the Daewoo K1-A1 Its design to me is just UNBELIEVABLY 80’s Perfect I also REALLY Love all the other Rifles on the table but this Gun Specifically for me is just one that I will NEVER Let go of 🤟✊🔥👌👍💯🤘💪
Most of these guns are overlooked because their prices are incredibly prohibitive and always have been. For example, the Valmet M76, which can be had for anywhere from $3000 to $8000 depending on the caliber. If you buy one of the cheaper 5.56mm rifles, you're going to pay through the nose if you want more than a single magazine. As for the Daewoo K1A1, the cheaper alternative would be the K2, but most people don't want to take the trouble of converting them from their thumbhole stock configuration. The Robinson Arms has become expensive since Robinson foolishly ended production in favor of the rather lackluster XCRs, and the Beretta AR70 has mostly come into the US as parts kits without anyone to build them, so I guess them being overlooked makes sense. I've ignored the Gwinn Bushmaster because, to be honest, I've actually never heard of it before.
FR4NCH3K That Valmet cost me $1500 a few months ago. Where the heck did you get that crazy figure? Also, most daewoos did not come into the USA with thumbholes. Most are pre-bans. But we do not know how many AR70s came in (someone probably does) and I agree about the Robinson.
TFB TV I've kept up with gunbroker rather frequently, and most of the M76s I've seen were around the the $2500-3000 dollar range for a 5.56mm M76, around $3000 and up for a .308 M76, and I've only ever seen three 7.62mm M76s go up, one of which had an asking price of $8000 as it had the tube folding stock. I guess the million dollar question here is how many of them sold or if they reduced the price. Looking again now I see two .223 M76s, one of which is going for 2200 and the other is going for 2500. Most are pre-ban? Wonder where they've wound up then. Maybe it's just SW Florida, but I've seen quite a few K2s, all of which have had thumbhole stocks, but then again my gun shows are always packed with odd firearms (On average 4 SPAS-12s around 1500 dollars, once saw an original AR-10 and a SIG510-4.) As for the Beretta, I know I've seen parts kits for them before, but were they ever imported as whole firearms? I'm actually kind of curious about that, because they're pretty cool firearms, and unfortunately rather rare as complete weapons. The Robinson seems like an interesting design; is it as simple on the inside as it is on the outside? I'd imagine with a shorter barrel and muzzle device it'd be a pretty neat little weapon to own, and there are other parts that could use improving (such as the rather tiny looking charging handle) but it would've been cool to see more of those floating around. Unfortunately it seems like most cheap stamped firearms 5.56mm firearms go the same way, just as the AR-18. I wonder if the MPAR 556 will do the same or if it'll break the mold.
No such thing as a assault rifle, anything can be used for an assult, knife, baseball bat, screw driver, it depends on how you use them. They are also used for defense.
Fun fact, NK has AR15 too. North Korean Special Forces adopted Chinese(they manufacturing literally EVERYTHING in the world) Version of AR15 named CQ rifle, and few unlicenced copies of M16A1 for undercover spies.
I have a couple of the Bushmaster Arm pistols and a rifle. They were a great concept hindered by piss poor execution and are not very reliable. The concept of the rotating grip arm pistol was that it was to be used by pilots as a survival weapon. It design made shooting 1 handed while coming down in an ejection seat much easier to accomplish and the fact that it used AR mags meant it had the capacity to spray a tree line down on full auto. Its 5.56 caliber gave its user more firepower even if it was hindered by the short barrel. It was also envisioned that chopper pilots could also use it one handed in order to spray a tree line down much easier than a standard weapon. They got better as time went on but its a rare thing for me to get any of them to run through a whole mag with an FTF especially the pistols. Later Mack Gwinn got his shit together and came up with some awesome stuff like the quick change barrel system for .50 cals.
ROK soldiers in DMZ are called "민정경찰." We don't pick tallest soldiers for DMZ service for two reasons. 1. Every ROK soldier is taller than average NK man. NK male's average height is around mid 150s, while every ROK male smaller than 159 are not accepted/conscripted in army. 2. We don't need 'em Most of ROK-NK encounters in DMZ are long ranged, and have Military Demarcation Line between each other. Both sides don't have chance to see each other well. Close ranged encounters? Well, they mostly end up in skimish.
The "Valmet" you were disclosing. What particular model are you showing and by chance who imported that rifle? I am not typically a fan of AK variants but I really do like the look of this rifle and would like to try and track one down for myself
"guys, guys I have an idea... What if we move the trigger behind the receiver?" "... Joe you are a FUCKING GENIUS!" and thus, the Bushmaster rifle was born.
Formally established as a armament factory in 1526 in the village of Gardone located on the banks of the Mella river, in the middle of Val Trompia,Beretta is ,in effect,the oldest firearms manufacturer(or more accurately "mass producer") in the world.
The Daewoo K-2 with folding stock is a neat rifle. It has a bit more of a kick than an M16 and recovering spent casings is a chore because they'll shoot out about 50 feet to the right. Otherwise, very little to complain about.
Great video and I think you might have tock my suggestion for this one which is always a plus. Keep them coming. So hear is another to think about. Firearm that don't quite look like firearms.
Thanks alex,,i never know about that rules,,thats why i never seen pindad ss2 video from another country in youtube ,,great job guys i really like your video (y)
Hey sorry a bit late aha but basically they designed the military Ar70's barrel shroud/cover to act as both a flash hider and grenade launcer mount. But when the made the Comercial one the decided to keep the original cover instead of redesigning one for civilian applications.
You've mentioned in a few videos needing a longer length of pull for Alex and a shorter one for Patrick. May I ask how tall each of you are? It would help with getting an idea of how these guns handle. I'm a 5'8" female and probably closer to Patrick's arm length, but it would be good to know.
Really interesting assortment here. I wish you guys would have shown some close-up shots so we could all get a better look. It would also be very interesting to see the internal ops.
Oh I worked at a cool place in the 80's we were a part of Kings Firearms distributors got AK norinco and Polytech had K1's and 2's lots of handguns.. then it all came tumbling down.. nice guns cheap and oh what fun
Mr.Alex and Mr.Patrick, as a Korean citizen I can tell both of you that our military had been using the K1A(thr official military designation) and the K2 full-heartedly. The K1s started life as an attempt to create thr first all-Korean rifle(Daewoo manufactured M16A1s under license before) and was put into service in early 1980s. The difference between a K1 and K1A is that K1s had conical flash hider while the K1As had an elongated birdcage-like flash hiders. Then the K2s were first put into service in mid-1980s to replace the aging M16s(most of which had seen service in the Vietnam War). Now, after more than three decades, the Korean military is modernizing both the K1As and K2s. The K1As are getting their polymer handguards replaced with quadrails and the K2s are getting a receiver-length rails so the rifles can be mounted with a Red dot or a 4-power optic. Thank you for all the hard work going into making these videos.
Jack From South Korea.
Thanks Jack From South Korea. Some great history. Interesting to learn Deawoo had a hand in the manufacturing.
Thanks jack
I am a huge fan of the Dae woo. Much better than the AR-15
I owned a Daewoo rifle. It was superior to the AR-15 in several ways. Besides the obvious ability to fold the stock, the three-position, adjustable pressure knob on the gas block was great design.
The front sight post hood however, paired to the AR styled rear sight, instantly created a sight picture that was as fool-proof as a 1x scope because there were no front sight ears, you just made sure the rear and front ring overlapped as one then the front sight tip was effortlessly centered every time.
And using AR-15 pattern magazines just made its utility perfect.
The only reason I gave it up during the ban was parts availability to keep it running and its increased value.
The 89 ban should be repealed.
Kolin Martz Hell yes. -Alex
I don't know you but I will support you
Kolin Martz yeah it should
*86 ban should be repealed too
the guy in the green shirt is 5'11, the guy in the grey shirt is 6'0.
in case anyone was wondering.
+Slurm its highly addictive not possible
😂😂
Hardly
How women view height
short guy is taller lying down
The 89 ban was the most useless gun ban in history so far.
MrWalkwaySc2 with Clintons idiocy a close second
MrWalkwaySc2 Useless for preventing crime. But useful for disarming the populace. That has been the goal of most bans on weapons throughout history. Governments have a tendency to become power hungry over time and there are some lawmakers here in the United States that are embracing that ideology. I'm not saying that guns should be totally unregulated but there are a lot of authoritarian gun laws on the books, most of which do nothing to stop crime (89' ban, 86' full auto ban, and mag capacity limits in states like NY and CA to name a few)
Advanced Cavemen
True,but have you seen Obamas list of all the weapons he's currently trying to ban?
***** The only reason why I say that they should not be totally unregulated is because of the fact that there are members of our society (e.g. violent criminals and the mentally ill) who are unfit to own weapons. But I agree it is not the government's place to deny law abiding citizens their second amendment rights, and these ridiculous bans they have at local, state, and federal levels are blatantly unconstitutional.
MrWalkwaySc2 There was little push back because the US manufacturers benefited from the import ban. Consumers got screwed, just like all government intrusion into markets.
In regards to the BERETTA AR70, the detachable flash suppressor is indeed to support installing a grenade discharging device.
the flash hider he removed is the grenade launching device, it comes off so a blank firing device could be attached
The flash suppressor also holds the front site/gas feed in place.
The arx is crimminal looked over
Am I the only one who feels awkward watching them try to take the guns from one another?
+The Lizard King Off camera we throw punches.
Nice haha I am gonna sub just for that comment.
+The Lizard King No
+TFB TV i do like how you guys can disagree on guns and other things and don't get too off track and argue to much on video.
+The Lizard King I don't mind they're gay, their videos are entertaining and informative.
I am a viewer from South Korea and thanks for the Daewoo Rifle showings!
I knew that Daewoo makes cars and home appliances but guns I'm shocked
It's in the top 5 most personal favorite guns
@Lars Peanish, professional gift wrapper. indeed 💯
North Koreans aren't as tall because they don't get a lot of food and an entire generation was stunted because of starvation
"Val-met" We don't have silent letters in Finnish ;)
Valmet is short for "Valtion metallitehtaat" - "State's metal factories".
After WW2 the Soviets imposed restrictions to the size of the Finnish military according to the Paris peace treaty. It was feared that the Soviets would regard arms manufacturers as part of the Finnish military strength, so the weapons manufacturers were merged with other state-owned heavy industry, including the ones that built ships for the Soviet Union as war reparations, and thus Valmet was born.
The Soviet Union started the Winter War. I am unclear about the start of the continuation War. The Finn's kicked butt in both, but had to sue for Peace due to logistictics, and you have to pay Reparations? That Sucks.
I used k1 while I was in the S. Korean military. It was awesome, not heavy at all. M16 is too big for some small Koreans like me.
Daewoo K1 was made as a SMG. It was unintentionally way ahead of its time being SMG that fires 5.56. Currently it is used as default by most tank crews or any MOS that requires working in tight spaces. It is also used by many recon or special duty teams, but their K1 are moded with handguard rail making it possible to attach optics and front grips and what not. K2 on the other hand still only get very limited mod option in Korean military with only top rail officially issued for the military (5 years ago they had handguard rail system but idk where they went). K2 with toprail and 11K reddot optic was my service rifle in ROK Marine Corps. Currently both K2 and K1 are being replaced by K2c which is modernized K2 with m4 style buttstock and handguard and top rail as well as front grip for attaching accesaries. K2c has shorter barrel than K2 (as K2c = K2 carbine). It will replace both K2 and K1.
In other words, a short barrel rifle.
Yeah, the South Koreans intentionally pick the biggest and most intimidating looking soldiers for border duty.
hulk hogan Another fun fact is that they have to be at least third-degree Black Belts in Tae Kwon Do (although I would think it's useless against gunfire).
Brad Chang. That guy from Herricks. Yeah, if a shooting war breaks out being a big, strong Taekwondo master honestly won't be all that helpful. You can't exactly spin kick a bullet or artillery shell.
hulk hogan
Doesn't hurt to try though. Spin kick a bullet!
Brad Chang. That guy from Herricks. I think it would actually hurt. A lot.
hulk hogan
Ehh you're no fun...
appreciate you not wearing a black tshirt. makes the guns way easier to see as many people have said
Out of the 5, I'd take the AR70 and/or Valmet ALL DAY. If you're a fan of the SAN Swiss Arms SG-55x series of rifles, check out the history of the AR70. It's a shame we didn't see Swiss Arms and Beretta stick together. Could only imagine what kind of magic the two companies would've created. Not to mention, with Beretta's pull in the firearm industry, we probably would've seen much more of the 55x series/style of rifles imported. We potentially could've seen modern/upgraded variations of the rifles as well.
The Beretta AR-70 barrel was equipped with a shroud because there was a grenade launcher attachment that went on it. It would fire the newer FN "bullet through" grenades that didn't need blanks to launch. The bullet passed through the first generation versions (and out the front) and was "captured" inside the rifle grenade in later versions. These grenades were marketed aggressively in the late 80's but I don't even know if they are still made today.
On the AR70, I think the best guess for the removable flash hider would indeed be it was meant to mount a rifle grenade launching device of some kind.
To my knowledge, the Italian Army never adopted the AR70 for general use. Only a few were distributed to special operations units and amphibious forces in the '80s. The rest of the troops went from the Beretta BM59 straight to the AR70/90 in the mid-90s.
When I did my conscription in the Italian Army (in the early '90s) our BM59s had a special attachment to the muzzle made to shoot Super Energa rifle grenades, and a folding sight to go with it. There were three variants of the BM59: standard (infantry), TA (mountain troops) and TP (airborne troops).
The standard had a wooden stock and fixed muzzle device for rifle grenades, the TA a folding metal stock and fixed device, the TP folding stock and detachable device.
My guess would be Beretta planned something similar for the AR70. Actually, I wouldn't swear on it, but I think early models of the AR70/90 had a rifle grenade launching device as well.
I was lucky enough to be a part of a family that seriously believed in having as many hunting, sporting and defensive weapons. I'll never forget my 16th birthday in 1986. I was gifted a Norinco AK, Franchi Spas12 and a Baretta 92. Good times.
15 mins of the tall dude cutting the other guy off. Excellent
More close-ups pretty please!
Christian G. Agreed, cant see that engineering.
Christian G. Yes, definitely need some closeups
I had a Daewoo Gas Piston model, K2 I believe. I liked it better than my M16A1 rack issue rifle because on recoil with the Daewoo I never lost sight of my target and I did for an instant with the M16.
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+TFB TV You pronounce Valmet just like you write it, with the t.
+TFB TV U guys should brush up on up to date information... You cannot even get the country of origin right... It is not that hard: you only do a 5 second search on the web.
+TFB TV U guys should brush up on up to date information... You cannot even get the country of origin right... It is not that hard: you only do a 5 second search on the web.
+Luc Antonelli You can, they just aren't as common. Well, except that you can't import them. Most have to be built in the US or imported as pistols :/
Valmet is Val-tion Met-allitehtaat (Government Metal Industries). The "Met" part is almost the same as in the English pronunciation of the word "metal" with a bit more effort on the final "t".
The "Val" is a bit harder as there is no exact equivalent "A" in standard English. You can approximate by saying "value" and shifting the A in the "val-" (us Finns would usually hear that as an "Ä", with the dots) towards the "A" sound in the English word "tall" for instance, which Finns would typically hear as an "O" for their Finnish.
i had a daewoo sedan when i was 18
i guess they also make guns
tyler christ
maybe they're like umbrella Corp... maybe they make everything... (i don't play resident evil btw)
They're way better at firearms than cars.
They do, make everything. Cars, coffee pots, dumptrucks, guns, everything.
@@mjriemen sounds like Samsung lol
I love the Daewoos. Having used the M16 through my 26 year Military career I found that I could recover my sight picture sooner with either Daewoo. Having retired and living in Calif. I have had to dispose my Daewoos and my FNC, another nice rifle.
Nice video, I bought my Beretta AR 70 new back in the 80's and it is cool to see you mention it!
I wish you guys would remember to say the average prices of each gun. It's a fact that I'm always interested in just to know and to help compare with other guns
Collin Petersen With guns no longer made, like these, it is very difficult to do. Also, in videos where we do list prices, we get blasted by people saying, "I can't find those prices near me!". -Alex
Hello guys! Loved the video! Nice to see a RK variant on the table. I used to serve in the Finnish marines and have carried an RK62 and the modernizied version the 92. When pronouncing Valmet the T isn't silent, well now you know! Keep up the good work! P.s. had no idea it was a line cutter
I'd like you to consider that the Sig 556, Armalite AR 18 and Australian Leader Dynamics T2 Mk V are also great AR alternaves especially since one of them is still currently produced and imported.
I would love to have a deawoo. Those are cool, I was stationed in Japan for 2 years and their defense forces used a copy of this rifle. But instead of a colapsing stock it was sode folding. Cool rifle. And your picks on this one are spot on.
" I dont think Chris Costa would like that"
Cracked me up
Here for the K1A1 greta review
I have a Daewoo microwave. It has a perfect three selector. Defrost, popcorn, and high
That Valmet M76 is just gorgeous! I would love to have that rifle.
Listening to these two makes me tense.
The Valmet is so awesome !
I had the M76 .223 it was very reliable, accurate too. Fed reloads other guns would not take. Never cleaned it w 1000+ rds and it never failed me at all. Very well made.
That Berretta rifle is definitely one bad ass sporting rifle. That is a grenade firing adapter you unscrewed. You don't see to many of them compared to the others. Nice quality camera too.
I fell in love with the Daewoo when I saw it in an episode of the A-team. I wish they were easier to get a hold of in the US.
At 10:02 Patrick is holding the rifle pointing straight up and turns it so that a top down view is shown. I found that to be very helpful. Many of the firearms you feature are rare or hard to obtain (especially here in California). Showing as many angles and details as possible is always welcome. Great vid guys, keep em coming!
The AR70 had a rifle grenade sleeve on its barrel. In its military configuration, it has a flip up sights similar to the Zastava M70 rifle that blocks the gas and prevent it from reciprocating.
Nice video of some lesser known rifles. I have a Valmet M78 RPK clone in .308. Very heavy barrel and pretty darn accurate too.
the Robinson M96 realy looks cool to me, would want one!
I do, they are!
Several years ago I owned a Valmet and liked it but this version had a flaw in that if the bolt slammed home when charging the weapon it would slam fire, returned it and a spring was added to slow the firing pin
Thanks for another great video! And it is pronounced with the T in the end. In general, Finnish has very few silent letters. Source: I'm from Finland. Have to say, we were not overly fond of our RK's (62/76 although mine was Sako-made) during my military service- although that was probably because hey, we had to carry them around in the field all the time :)
#3 is basically the same design as an MP5 which is a great rifle. I really like your collection. Well done.
Wonder if maybe the AR-180 could have been in this list. Well the AR-18 select fire cousin influenced several other variants like the famous HK G-36 & British SA-80. The AR-18 was a favorite for the IRA. It was also used in the first Terminator movie during to police station shootout scene.
Someone probably chimed in below, but the Beretta AR70 muzzle device is a 22mm rifle grenade interface. It's a NATO thing. The A1 and A2 flash hiders on M16s are the diameter they are to allow for the use of 22mm rifle grenades. The standard muzzle devices on the G3, FAL, FAMAS, etc are all owe their exterior dimensions to the NATO spec rifle grenade. I don't know if the Italians still use them, but the French certainly still do.
mingheemouse Interesting bit of info I wasnt aware of, thanks! Learn something new everyday... And the French sure do love their rifle grenades dont they? They still use them today I think. They gotta be one of the last major military's that still do right? Apparently theyre more accurate and powerful than 40mm grenades.
man i just love these videos, just two guys having fun and getting excited over some very cool and very interesting firearms
K1 Daewoo is defo a great gun. the ROK SWC soldiers were well known for using the hell out of them. they actually have great firing range for their size
That last AK variant seems like a really good rifle if you are into AKs but have reservations about the notorious accuracy problems of you're mainstream AK variants. That might even be my next buy
+Odood19 My experience with the RK62 is nothing but good. My best 10 shot groups were the size of my fist at 150m with a old, beaten up service rifle.
Karhuu1 That's damn good, and considering it's a rifle that uses technology from the 1940's, I'm impressed with AKs overall. I just want the best bang for my buck.
yupp, and our instructor said that the spread due to the rifle and ammunition was about the length of the casing. Altho to be exact we were using sako made RKs, but i imagine the quality is the same. Oh and that was of course using iron sights. (and as a sidenote Lapua ammunition was used) Hope you will find yourself a good rifle :)
The IWI Galil and Sig 550 are also AK derived.
The ar70 has that shroud and flash hider setup so that they did not have to turn that ring infront of the rear sight into the barrel. The ring is for rifle grenades, the flashidet and a a section behind it must be 21mm to fit and stabilize a rifle grenade.
I love my Robinson Arms M96 Bren.
I had a Daewoo K1 A1. Very smooth shooter, tended to bump fire once warmed up
HAC-7 deserved a mention in my opinion, such a cool platform and design
The unscrewable barrel feature on the AR-70 is for a grenade launcher
That AR70 Beretta is the gun that Al Pacino is shooting in the movie Heat. Awesome shootout scene during the bank robbery!
your the only one iv watched over 100 reviews of the ar160 and every body loves it and the us military is wanting them
+mk ninin Check my review:
www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/17/gun-review-beretta-arx-100-review/
I REALLY LOVE the Daewoo K1-A1
Its design to me is just UNBELIEVABLY 80’s Perfect
I also REALLY Love all the other Rifles on the table but this Gun Specifically for me is just one that I will NEVER Let go of 🤟✊🔥👌👍💯🤘💪
the ar 70 was a good rifle especially after the bm59..:)
Dont know why, but the first makes me think of a modernized Browning Automatic Rifle
Thanks for introducing K1!
Greetings from Korea!
Most of these guns are overlooked because their prices are incredibly prohibitive and always have been. For example, the Valmet M76, which can be had for anywhere from $3000 to $8000 depending on the caliber. If you buy one of the cheaper 5.56mm rifles, you're going to pay through the nose if you want more than a single magazine.
As for the Daewoo K1A1, the cheaper alternative would be the K2, but most people don't want to take the trouble of converting them from their thumbhole stock configuration. The Robinson Arms has become expensive since Robinson foolishly ended production in favor of the rather lackluster XCRs, and the Beretta AR70 has mostly come into the US as parts kits without anyone to build them, so I guess them being overlooked makes sense.
I've ignored the Gwinn Bushmaster because, to be honest, I've actually never heard of it before.
FR4NCH3K That Valmet cost me $1500 a few months ago. Where the heck did you get that crazy figure?
Also, most daewoos did not come into the USA with thumbholes. Most are pre-bans.
But we do not know how many AR70s came in (someone probably does) and I agree about the Robinson.
TFB TV I've kept up with gunbroker rather frequently, and most of the M76s I've seen were around the the $2500-3000 dollar range for a 5.56mm M76, around $3000 and up for a .308 M76, and I've only ever seen three 7.62mm M76s go up, one of which had an asking price of $8000 as it had the tube folding stock. I guess the million dollar question here is how many of them sold or if they reduced the price. Looking again now I see two .223 M76s, one of which is going for 2200 and the other is going for 2500.
Most are pre-ban? Wonder where they've wound up then. Maybe it's just SW Florida, but I've seen quite a few K2s, all of which have had thumbhole stocks, but then again my gun shows are always packed with odd firearms (On average 4 SPAS-12s around 1500 dollars, once saw an original AR-10 and a SIG510-4.)
As for the Beretta, I know I've seen parts kits for them before, but were they ever imported as whole firearms? I'm actually kind of curious about that, because they're pretty cool firearms, and unfortunately rather rare as complete weapons.
The Robinson seems like an interesting design; is it as simple on the inside as it is on the outside? I'd imagine with a shorter barrel and muzzle device it'd be a pretty neat little weapon to own, and there are other parts that could use improving (such as the rather tiny looking charging handle) but it would've been cool to see more of those floating around. Unfortunately it seems like most cheap stamped firearms 5.56mm firearms go the same way, just as the AR-18. I wonder if the MPAR 556 will do the same or if it'll break the mold.
No such thing as a assault rifle, anything can be used for an assult, knife, baseball bat, screw driver, it depends on how you use them. They are also used for defense.
S Korea does in fact select the largest soldiers on the DMZ for the reasons you've stated. I was stationed there for a year. Great country.
"Man, you're not gonna believe what I got......a Daewoo!" Priceless!!!
Fun fact, NK has AR15 too. North Korean Special Forces adopted Chinese(they manufacturing literally EVERYTHING in the world) Version of AR15 named CQ rifle, and few unlicenced copies of M16A1 for undercover spies.
I have a couple of the Bushmaster Arm pistols and a rifle. They were a great concept hindered by piss poor execution and are not very reliable. The concept of the rotating grip arm pistol was that it was to be used by pilots as a survival weapon. It design made shooting 1 handed while coming down in an ejection seat much easier to accomplish and the fact that it used AR mags meant it had the capacity to spray a tree line down on full auto. Its 5.56 caliber gave its user more firepower even if it was hindered by the short barrel. It was also envisioned that chopper pilots could also use it one handed in order to spray a tree line down much easier than a standard weapon. They got better as time went on but its a rare thing for me to get any of them to run through a whole mag with an FTF especially the pistols. Later Mack Gwinn got his shit together and came up with some awesome stuff like the quick change barrel system for .50 cals.
Love my Valmet M76, just wish mag's didn't cost an arm and a leg.
Buy bulgy circle 10 mags and mod them. Takes 5 mins, and mags are about 50 bucks instead of 250..
Yes, AR70/90 used grenades on the muzzle, but now they use M203s
Well done. A helpful suggestion. Use black or any dark color with large block letter printing. Some of us are getting old.
ROK soldiers in DMZ are called "민정경찰."
We don't pick tallest soldiers for DMZ service for two reasons.
1. Every ROK soldier is taller than average NK man.
NK male's average height is around mid 150s, while every ROK male smaller than 159 are not accepted/conscripted in army.
2. We don't need 'em
Most of ROK-NK encounters in DMZ are long ranged, and have Military Demarcation Line between each other. Both sides don't have chance to see each other well. Close ranged encounters? Well, they mostly end up in skimish.
Daewoo makes all kind of things!!! I have seen TV's maybe not flat screens but older TV's
You guys should definitely buy the k2! The k1a1 is mainly used for close quarter combat. I would personally buy a AR-15, K2 or HK416 over any AR.
great videos. - if you guys can zoom in of the guns at times, that would be great. thanks
YES
YES
love both of your picks
that Daewoo K1 looks really cool
New title...5 most forgotten retired guns.....
The "Valmet" you were disclosing. What particular model are you showing and by chance who imported that rifle? I am not typically a fan of AK variants but I really do like the look of this rifle and would like to try and track one down for myself
This was a really solid top 5. I'd like to shoot either the Val-met or Daewoo.
"guys, guys I have an idea... What if we move the trigger behind the receiver?"
"... Joe you are a FUCKING GENIUS!"
and thus, the Bushmaster rifle was born.
Very lucky guys, great video.
Price of deawoo firearms nowdays though! k2 like $36K
Formally established as a armament factory in 1526 in the village of Gardone located on the banks of the Mella river, in the middle of Val Trompia,Beretta is ,in effect,the oldest firearms manufacturer(or more accurately "mass producer") in the world.
The Daewoo K-2 with folding stock is a neat rifle. It has a bit more of a kick than an M16 and recovering spent casings is a chore because they'll shoot out about 50 feet to the right. Otherwise, very little to complain about.
That slab style Gwinn really appeals to my Warhammer side.
Yes I met some tall south Korean Marines in Vietnam. Also, Valmet makes paper making machines. The very large kind that are a hundred yards long.
I don't understand how Patrick can put up with the tom brady look alike
How much do those Bushmaster rifles go for, I saw one at a gun show last weekend in Alexandria, LA. but I didn't look at the price.
Great video and I think you might have tock my suggestion for this one which is always a plus. Keep them coming. So hear is another to think about. Firearm that don't quite look like firearms.
Thanks alex,,i never know about that rules,,thats why i never seen pindad ss2 video from another country in youtube ,,great job guys i really like your video (y)
Hey sorry a bit late aha but basically they designed the military Ar70's barrel shroud/cover to act as both a flash hider and grenade launcer mount. But when the made the Comercial one the decided to keep the original cover instead of redesigning one for civilian applications.
I have a gwinn bushmaster with wood. Do you know where I can find parts?
And also its Valmet with a Loud T (Val-Met and not Val-mey as some incorrectly way)
You've mentioned in a few videos needing a longer length of pull for Alex and a shorter one for Patrick. May I ask how tall each of you are? It would help with getting an idea of how these guns handle. I'm a 5'8" female and probably closer to Patrick's arm length, but it would be good to know.
cool video, though it would be awesome if you would give a shooting demo for each one.
TFB TV You could say the K1/A1/K2 is a 'K'R-15
Do you have a video for the Daewoo K1A1 alone?
The Bushmaster looks like if you asked somebody who has never seen an assault rifle to build one from secondhand descriptions.
Really interesting assortment here. I wish you guys would have shown some close-up shots so we could all get a better look. It would also be very interesting to see the internal ops.
Can we have a link to your review on the ARX 160? Thanks!
Great video all pretty cool rifles
Oh I worked at a cool place in the 80's we were a part of Kings Firearms distributors got AK norinco and Polytech had K1's and 2's lots of handguns.. then it all came tumbling down.. nice guns cheap and oh what fun