+White World Media Canada tried to find a cost effective way to convert all the C7's with a flip away trigger guard. They sacked the idea after the "reserchers" in charged ran out of money, but should have seen that coming seeing the ideas those guys have in rnd.
+FatalicGamer The Austrians simply made the trigger guard part of the entire grip handle on their Steyr AUG. This is so their troops can shoot it while wearing very thick gloves. I've also seen another rifle where the trigger guard is hinged to swing up left or right so mittens can be worn while firing.
The German guns being complicated is not really surprising. The Russian gun being complex is. It's really an odd as they tend to be as simple as possible. Nice list
The Madsen LMG was also kept out, for the sanity of all involved! Also the Borchardt c-93 is a sight to behold, when it practically explodes backwards when fired.
I'd give the C96 a pass as it was just at the start of when semi-automatic pistols were coming into development and people just werent exactly sure what would function best. The C96 is very functional thou awkward by todays standards.
+Clay Ronso This has been something like a try to make the M4 carbine before the epoch of the intermediate cartridge. Mauser C96s with long barrel and wooden butt made quite a noise in London in 1911 in the hands of a few Bolshevik emigres. See "Siege of Sideny Street".
+Clay Ronso I stripped my first C96 all the way about 20 years ago. It wasn't too bad getting it apart. I had a diagram to go by. The problem was getting it all back together. It didn't seem that hard if you remembered where all the parts went. There was a problem. The gun wouldn't work after reassembly. I fiddled with it and stripped it down again several times. After taking it apart and reassembling it over and over for at least a week, I finally figured out that I was forcing a little spring clip in the wrong way. It was such a delicate little part, but it wasn't going to work until I got it right.
+Jondahl Davis Yeah I bought a salvaged C96 a few years ago. I pulled out the owner's manual, looked at the bags full of Mauser parts, looked back at the manual... and then went to youtube for a video on reassembly.
+Alex Warnke I think these days they just do oversized trigger-guards that can fit big, thick winter gloves. I do think the Winter Trigger has some real advantages, though. Especially for a slower, smoother pull when trying to place a precise shot.
+Bill Hill MG34 was rated the best Machine Gun of WWII, it didn't function will in North Africa because of the dust, and in Russia during the Winter, but outside of that it was the best Machine gun ever deployed during WWII, even more so than the MG42. FG42, well ask anyone who owns one, it's a better fully automatic rifle than a BAR, it will win almost every single straight up challenge vs a BAR including close and short range shooting that you'd throw at it but in likely scenarios that the MG34 would also suffer under, like desert/winter conditions the FG42 would also suffer. I remember reading how one gunsmith company took the FG42 and improved upon it and sell Semi Auto versions for target shooters, they fixed some of it's problems and it's easily the best full size rifle round firing semi auto rifle in the world when they got done with it.
+Bill Hill There is a FG 42 vid on Larrys Vickers channel, but I never heared that both of these guns are unreliable. They were complex and expensive to maufacture, but extremly good working weapons, the MG 34 is also considered to be the best GPMG of ww2. German weapons have always been excellent desings and a lot of thinking were but in them, if you want to see unrelibale guns, have a look at japanese ww2 arsenal.
Did you know that 30 Mauser pistol ammunition can be fired from a Soviet PPSH 41? German soldiers liked the PPSH-41 so much that Germany began reissuing 30 Mauser pistol ammunition to Wehrmacht for use in captured Soviet PPSH-41. Now you know.
The main problem that the Nagant revolver's complexity causes has less to do with reliability and more to do with that truly awful double-action trigger pull.
+RedXlV Yeah. I ended up biting the bullet on a spam can of it (awful pun). Expensive, but you dont have to sweat prices going up. Planning on doing the same with a bunch of 303 brit, but thats gonna hurt my wallet X(
I like how laid back this channel is. Not in your face with tactical crap or a presenter that talks down to you because he has 'X years of training' (wont name names lol) They assume you know a basic level about guns and here to learn more. Basically a learning hub like their blog. I like it, keep it up guys. Personally I love milsurps (World War era) and early semi-autos. Keep doing videos on that niche stuff and i'll keep being a loyal viewer ;)
What's cool about the Nagant revolver is that it can be suppressed. Not only, a rumor, it's true. There's a video on youtube that shows it. That's the major advantage of such a gas seal. It also makes it less likely that you blow your fingers off when shooting it :D
Dylan Feliciano I couldn't care less about what it was originally designed for though. If it gets an additional feature it wasn't intended to have, it's awesome.
+GamePhysics I'd agree, it's pretty awesome. But when I consider the complexity of the revolver when suppressors were nonexistent, I have to wonder just what the Russians were thinking. Why adopt an overly complex revolver with a god awful trigger when almost any other design is better.
You've got to understand the mentality behind making it. It's reliable, it has to be reliable or the Russian armed forces would not have bought it and I mean EXTREMELY tough and reliable. As for the trigger, the weapon is not made for target shooting. It's either an officer's sidearm for self defence or for subduing or executing prisoners. The design was adopted by the Imperial Russian army, there were production lines to produce them by the million and they worked. Why spend money in setting up production of more sophisticated weapons when it's a secondary arm that reliably does the job.
Excellent video! I love that you aren't Umming and Y'knowing your way through the video. Your voiceover format keeps the pace moving so you don't get off on tangents, but it still feels like natural speech. Just an excellent vid. You earned a subscriber.
Don't pan past the gun. Panning up to the gun is fine, but then you make us watch concrete. I assure you We aren't here to watch the concrete, we're here to see the gun.
Excellent presentation!!! Unusually articulate / professional compared to what is frequently offered via TH-cam. No throat clearing, belching, foul language, snorting etc. Thank you sir.
Also the Russian An-94 hyper burst rifle came out in 1994 originally for the Soviets but was adopted by the Russian federation. Has 114 parts. Originally to replace the Ak-74 platform but was to complex and expensive to produce so in 2006 they stopped producing but are still in service with the Russians as they one hyper burst you get when you pull the trigger comes out in 1800 rounds per minute while it’s regular fire rate is standard 600 rounds per minute
I have a C96 Broomhandle and I can vouch for the difficulty in taking it apart. The components are so well fit that it almost snaps together. That is the only way I can describe it.
The Remington Model 14 was, and is, the most complicated gun I can imagine. Take a look at the illustrated parts breakdown of the bolt and bolt carrier. John Pedersen was an evil genius. stevespages.com/ipb-remington-14.html
LOL... I don't think so. The Auto 5, Model 8, the 97 pump, the early Remington shotguns, many of his pistols, his machine guns and most of the other Browning designs are all extremely complicated. Although revolutionary, they often use complex mechanisms and lots of small parts. More so than contemporary designs? In some cases, there were no contemporary designs, but I would argue that Browning wasn't a fan of simplicity. Of course, this is with 130 years of hindsight. Browning was a great innovator and the most prolific American gun designer of his era. Even if his guns are over-engineered, they are brilliant original ideas, not copies of other designs. Of course, this is just my opinion. One man's complicated is another man's simple.
Generic Username Errrrrr wrong answer. Israel currently has the best technology in any full standing army to this day, up to and including tanks, guns, air defense, and situational awareness, for obvious reasons. The U.S. takes most advanced Air Force and most advanced Navy, technologically, and are the only air force to have battle-proven stealth fighters and bombers. After WWII, Germany was limited for quite a while on what they could design. They used U.S. or Russian imported weapons and equipment up until the end of the cold war, when they got the chance to design their own army again. They have been brought up to the European standard, but for sure don't surpass the U.K. or Russia by much, if at all. Especially with the revamp of the AK line, the T-14 Armata, PAK-50, etc. They've lowered funding quite dramatically due to NATO and the lack of a need to have a full standing army equipped the top-of-the-line gear. Even during WWII, most designs that were seen as "technologically advanced" ended up breaking down on the side of the road. See: Pz V onward. They were made so poorly that after a few 75 or 76mm rounds, the front plate would start to fall off most Tiger IIs due to the terrible metallurgy late-war. The P80 and Me262 started development around the same time, with the Gloster Meteor arriving almost a full year earlier. The German navy was merely capable for its time, with its big advantage being submersibles in the European theatre. Had the U.S. not been involved with Japan, it would have been very equal in the Atlantic. The only thing they really had going for them were the V2's and the STG.
Dank Meems I'm talking about WW2. Also, look at the weapons and technology they had at the time. They created some great weapons and vehicles (that of course got copied later on). Look at German cars, they are still really good. In regards to the US having the greates navy, that is because they focus on this area. If Germany was to use its technology for a really large navy, it would be great also.
Generic Username What technology did they possess over the allies besides inaccurate continental rockets? The British had functioning jets before the Germans. The U.S. had the first mass-produced mainstay semi-automatic rifle of the war, since the Gewher and SVT were rare weapons. The British had the first suppressed weapons. The only reason Germany got so far is because France and Poland were unprepared for war. Their technology was *different*, but not advanced by any means. They had some wacky designs but nothing that allies hadn't already made similar designs of that were more conventional and, more importantly, functional. It doesn't take advanced technology to create something like the Maus or STG 44. Just desperation and experimentation. The title of first "assault rifle" doesn't mean anything, other than a smaller cartridge in an automatic weapon. It's not new tech, by any stretch.
Dank Meems * the French had the first suppress-able weapons. The Germans had the first types of jets and rocket technology used. Without them we wouldn't see technology like we had today. They did make the first assault rifle as well.
really great video! as an amateur fan of engineering and needlessly over-engineered things this was the best thing ive seen in a while on the internet in general, nice content!
Yeah, the I remember when I got my salvaged Mauser C96. I took a look at my manual, looked at what was going to be the pistol in a couple of ziplock bags, looked back at the manual, then at the bags, and then determined that I have no clue what was doing and then went to a youtube video on how to put it together. She has been reassembled, and is fire able but the bore is worn smooth and the browning worn off, but I still love it.
Depends a bit on what you mean. The thing about this one is that it moves the mechanism even further back by feeding the cartridges back and forth, allowing for the barrel to protrude even less in the front.
I've been shooting a Boberg XR9L for almost a year now and I love shooting it, I have never had any ammo issues, been using Sellier & Bellot FMJ it seems to love the stuff
Pretty refreshing video. Saw a few guns that I haven't seen before. Usually its a rehash of mildly uncommon stuff that most people dont see, but still know well enough. That SIG is quite sexy IMO. Love the K series charging handle.
That's why I liked so much my old FN-FAL when I was in the army. Brutally powerful, tough, simple, reliable, not too many moving parts and could be disassembled with a coin.
In some States, military-style bread with over ten ounces of yeast is banned by Communists! Also, no cookie dough shooters with folding or collapsible stocks!
I'm trying not to rage out on what would be a simple video. Stop fading in or panning out. If your trying to showcase a firearms, don't move it out of the shot. sigh
Yeah, the cinematography for this video could use some work. The pan was cringey and could've been cut sooner in post production to avoid awkwardly looking at the table for 3 seconds.
hey TFB. i saw your first video today. i really appreciate your to the point commentary and polite voice. as well as your knowledge about firearms. i have a C96 too and it is indeed made by the devil. anyways keep up the good work. regards.
Good video, always interesting to learn about firearms that are pretty much obscure. The imagination that goes into the design of these weapons is amazing.
While I'm not super into guns or anything, this was a pretty good video and I like hearing people go into things they like. Still, as someone not very familiar with all manner of firearms, it would have been nice if you added pictures of things you were referencing. I had a general idea of what a Mauser was before Googling it, but would have appreciated a visual aide so I could better follow what you were saying. Anyways. Nice video, and keep up the good work with what you're doing.
The first time I field stripped one of my Broomhandle/Bolo Mausers I liked to have never gotten it back together. I've done that a half dozen times or more and it's become easier. Very enjoyable video.
You can suppress any revolver with a decent gas seal. If there is any kind of gap between the cylinder and the barrel then gas can escape which renders it unable to be silenced effectively. I have never seen a Boberg mechanism before, that it very cool. Thank you for sharing Alex, nice little video on some interesting guns ^^
Would've been fun to take a look at the bipod of that SIG. My dad told me it's adjustable so you can put it on the ground like a mortar when firing grenades with it
For the second gun (russian revolver), the mecanism is here for the sound supressor that can be added to the muzzle (it look likes a bottle) it's one of the first supressor. It's maybe THE first
I cant believe you didn't mention the wheellock, it was needlessly complicated in that the way u prime it was to take a wrench and twist the wheel which took some time. It also needed a very powerful spring to spin the wheel which would break easily and was difficult to fix on the battle field and expensive to make. Not only was it needlessly complicated but also unreliable.
C96 is hard to take apart, but even harder to put it back together. We did it in school, without any instructions or drawings, and it took a long time.
The Nagant's moving cylinder and cartridge also serves a safety purpose. It doesn't matter what is next to your revolver because it creates a seal so you don't have excess gas blowing out from the sides from the cylinder barrel gap.
Man I came back to this video just for an OG topic list from Alex James is cool and all but being an original fan the reviews Alex does just hit the spot👌
Funny fact about the Nagant. In the Empire shell used to drop out of drum as usual revolver shells. But in early period, Soviet Union started to produce thin shells for saving resources. So while firing it used to swell, and a soldier should extrude the shell, by pushing it with an iron stick in order to reload it. My friend's great grandfather used to remember and complain about it.
i on one hand think overenginnering is great. I mean, its awesome if you can create an efficient, effective, yet simple design (like an ak-47) off the bat, but we learn through trial and error. I really appreciate the platform for improvement that overengineering offers, not to mention the many ideas it brings to the table. Which part of the system do we improve upon? which parts do we mitigate? its artistic, in my eyes
you Can supress a nagant revolver as because it gas seales,the sound doesnt go out before the bullet leaves the barrel,thus meaning that if you stick the right supressor,it will work as a supressed gun
First time seeing one of your videos. Thank you for being a normal channel and not a "tactical bad-ass look at all my m4 accessories" channel that starts every video with crappy stock metal riffs.
the Nagant Revolver aka Horse Pistol. Great shooting little revolver but the one I have, the trigger pull is about 30lbs in double action. plus the ammo is getting up there in price.
You can supress the nagant with a sort of glass bottle specially made for. It's single use so you have to replace the broken "glass bottle" by a new one after every shot
The winter trigger idea is fantastic.
+White World Media Canada tried to find a cost effective way to convert all the C7's with a flip away trigger guard. They sacked the idea after the "reserchers" in charged ran out of money, but should have seen that coming seeing the ideas those guys have in rnd.
+White World Media I would love to have this on my hunting shotguns, get really cold in the mountains sometimes.
+FatalicGamer The Austrians simply made the trigger guard part of the entire grip handle on their Steyr AUG. This is so their troops can shoot it while wearing very thick gloves. I've also seen another rifle where the trigger guard is hinged to swing up left or right so mittens can be worn while firing.
+White World Media Mittens is for pussies.
+ODDBALL SOK - you sure dress funny, mine go on the hands.
The German guns being complicated is not really surprising. The Russian gun being complex is. It's really an odd as they tend to be as simple as possible. Nice list
I mean they made the Mosin Nagant not be a able to eject clips and the entire bolt assembly be two different pieces
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The Nagant Revolver wasn't made by Russians.
The AN-94 will disagree with you.
The H&K G11 was withheld from this video because mere mortals cannot comprehend space kraut magic
the g11 is surprisingly simple, just very different.
@Preston HM it is surprisingly easy to field strip, but the actual action is very complex due to the rotating drum bolt
Space kraut magic amazing
The Madsen LMG was also kept out, for the sanity of all involved! Also the Borchardt c-93 is a sight to behold, when it practically explodes backwards when fired.
I must be a crazy person. Because I really like how the Nagant looks. It's honestly my favorite revolver silhouette.
As a Nagant owner,I agree, Nice Victorian European lines, But then I also dig the S&W Russian revolvers too!
I buyed Nagant made in 1886 nice look it cost me 500 crown (1Dolar is 23 crown)
+FallaciousScotsman It's not bad looking, but I think I prefer the Webley. Weird, clunky and british as all hell!
+Maraak .Nor
Honestly, no revolver beats the zigzag cylindered "Fosbery" Webley as my fav in aesthetics other than a Schofield =)
+Krixig Got to shoot a Fosbery once. Would love to add it to my collection.I am surprised that they didn't mention the Dardick.
I'd give the C96 a pass as it was just at the start of when semi-automatic pistols were coming into development and people just werent exactly sure what would function best. The C96 is very functional thou awkward by todays standards.
+Clay Ronso Its almost like light carbine actualy.
+Clay Ronso This has been something like a try to make the M4 carbine before the epoch of the intermediate cartridge. Mauser C96s with long barrel and wooden butt made quite a noise in London in 1911 in the hands of a few Bolshevik emigres. See "Siege of Sideny Street".
+Clay Ronso I stripped my first C96 all the way about 20 years ago. It wasn't too bad getting it apart. I had a diagram to go by. The problem was getting it all back together. It didn't seem that hard if you remembered where all the parts went. There was a problem. The gun wouldn't work after reassembly. I fiddled with it and stripped it down again several times. After taking it apart and reassembling it over and over for at least a week, I finally figured out that I was forcing a little spring clip in the wrong way. It was such a delicate little part, but it wasn't going to work until I got it right.
+Jondahl Davis Yeah I bought a salvaged C96 a few years ago. I pulled out the owner's manual, looked at the bags full of Mauser parts, looked back at the manual... and then went to youtube for a video on reassembly.
I mean the reload is pretty fun
Every gun must have winter triggers from now on. XD
+Alex Warnke I think these days they just do oversized trigger-guards that can fit big, thick winter gloves.
I do think the Winter Trigger has some real advantages, though. Especially for a slower, smoother pull when trying to place a precise shot.
+Just A Dude Yes it is amazing and gives you more freedom.
They also need to have a fold out shovel on the butt and can be used as a fishing rod.
The Germans made so many complex guns, but many were extremly beautifult too
+KieferDragoner and unreliable.
+Bill Hill in most cases not
KieferDragoner
All i know is the mg 34 and the fg 42 were not good designs
+Bill Hill MG34 was rated the best Machine Gun of WWII, it didn't function will in North Africa because of the dust, and in Russia during the Winter, but outside of that it was the best Machine gun ever deployed during WWII, even more so than the MG42. FG42, well ask anyone who owns one, it's a better fully automatic rifle than a BAR, it will win almost every single straight up challenge vs a BAR including close and short range shooting that you'd throw at it but in likely scenarios that the MG34 would also suffer under, like desert/winter conditions the FG42 would also suffer.
I remember reading how one gunsmith company took the FG42 and improved upon it and sell Semi Auto versions for target shooters, they fixed some of it's problems and it's easily the best full size rifle round firing semi auto rifle in the world when they got done with it.
+Bill Hill There is a FG 42 vid on Larrys Vickers channel, but I never heared that both of these guns are unreliable.
They were complex and expensive to maufacture, but extremly good working weapons, the MG 34 is also considered to be the best GPMG of ww2.
German weapons have always been excellent desings and a lot of thinking were but in them, if you want to see unrelibale guns, have a look at japanese ww2 arsenal.
No Kraut space magic? Then again I suppose it would be pretty hard to get your hands on a G11.
oops, beat me to it
Prince Silvermane Space magic? Please elaborate on what you mean
Kody Hah German weapons are typically more mechanically complicated, hence many people call it "Space Magic"
Did you know that 30 Mauser pistol ammunition can be fired from a Soviet PPSH 41?
German soldiers liked the PPSH-41 so much that Germany began reissuing 30 Mauser pistol ammunition to Wehrmacht for use in captured Soviet PPSH-41.
Now you know.
That's pretty cool
I personally shoot 30 mauser from my m57 tokarev, i find it shoots rather nicely from it
Always thought it was the other way around, russians using the C96 to fire 7.62x25
@@chrisiooo you should definitely make a video demonstrating how well it works 😉
Wow, a "winter trigger," that's the first I've seen of such a thing.
wanna complex gun? G11 nuf said
+240pixel How does it work?
Kraut Space Magic...
"Marky Mark" Markus Gaming/LurkingFan4 yeah small pixies that lives inside it carry rounds into the chamber and eat remains of propellant lol
240pixel They also act as the "springs" inside the gun, damn Krauts, making such a damn cool design, they always make cool designs.
+240pixel I was thinking the same thing xD
-Dutch- get to the chopppa!
Where's the AN94
Cabaret Macabre rekt
Yea that thing is more complex than any other rifle of it's type
It may be over complicated but it’s good
The main problem that the Nagant revolver's complexity causes has less to do with reliability and more to do with that truly awful double-action trigger pull.
+RedXlV
Yeah. It is, for all intents and purposes, single action...
Krixig That's certainly how I use mine. On those occasions that I actually shoot it, which would be more often if I could get ammo at a better price.
+RedXlV
Yeah. I ended up biting the bullet on a spam can of it (awful pun). Expensive, but you dont have to sweat prices going up. Planning on doing the same with a bunch of 303 brit, but thats gonna hurt my wallet X(
Its tfb TV what did you expect. They like guns based off of trends to get a views.
The double action is 30 fucking pounds of trigger pull
I like how laid back this channel is. Not in your face with tactical crap or a presenter that talks down to you because he has 'X years of training' (wont name names lol)
They assume you know a basic level about guns and here to learn more. Basically a learning hub like their blog.
I like it, keep it up guys. Personally I love milsurps (World War era) and early semi-autos. Keep doing videos on that niche stuff and i'll keep being a loyal viewer ;)
Lmao the 7.62x38mm Nagant round is uncircumsized.
Nice that you've mentioned Forgotten Weapons. Ian is an awesome guy.
overly complicated is often synonymous with "well engineered". :)
Douglas Thompson And “hard to clean”
and "a pain in the ass to replace any damaged parts"
And more parts to fail. Simple is better.
And well engineered is synonymous for made in Germany 😅
The Tiger I was overengineered to the point where if it ever broke down, the crew couldn't even fix it
Really impressed by how the quality of your videos have improved since you guys started creating video content. Keep up the great work.
What's cool about the Nagant revolver is that it can be suppressed. Not only, a rumor, it's true. There's a video on youtube that shows it. That's the major advantage of such a gas seal. It also makes it less likely that you blow your fingers off when shooting it :D
It wasn't the original intention of the design; it's more of a happy accident.
Dylan Feliciano I couldn't care less about what it was originally designed for though. If it gets an additional feature it wasn't intended to have, it's awesome.
+GamePhysics I'd agree, it's pretty awesome. But when I consider the complexity of the revolver when suppressors were nonexistent, I have to wonder just what the Russians were thinking. Why adopt an overly complex revolver with a god awful trigger when almost any other design is better.
Dylan Feliciano I agree there.
You've got to understand the mentality behind making it. It's reliable, it has to be reliable or the Russian armed forces would not have bought it and I mean EXTREMELY tough and reliable.
As for the trigger, the weapon is not made for target shooting. It's either an officer's sidearm for self defence or for subduing or executing prisoners. The design was adopted by the Imperial Russian army, there were production lines to produce them by the million and they worked. Why spend money in setting up production of more sophisticated weapons when it's a secondary arm that reliably does the job.
Excellent video! I love that you aren't Umming and Y'knowing your way through the video. Your voiceover format keeps the pace moving so you don't get off on tangents, but it still feels like natural speech. Just an excellent vid. You earned a subscriber.
Why was this recommended to me when I've never watched a gun video?
New hobby?
+Hazardfireflyvlogs you watch list videos?
+Hazardfireflyvlogs Probably because you have watched list videos. Thanks for checking out our channel though!
+Hazardfireflyvlogs now you watched it. So the algorithm worked correctly :)
thats a good point. i think i watched an airsoft video recently, so thats probably why
or maybe i did just watch some gun videos
Thanks for your presentation, Alex. Nice having additional insights into the vintage military firearms.
Don't pan past the gun. Panning up to the gun is fine, but then you make us watch concrete. I assure you We aren't here to watch the concrete, we're here to see the gun.
Excellent presentation!!! Unusually articulate / professional compared to what is frequently offered via TH-cam. No throat clearing, belching, foul language, snorting etc. Thank you sir.
Why don't you do a run and gun with the g41m?
If it breaks, I have just broken a $20,000 gun with no replacement parts.
+TFB TV very true, very true. I would just like to see it in action and see how it compares with the g41W
+TFB TV parts can always be made.
yeah for another 20k
+BLT not even close
Also the Russian An-94 hyper burst rifle came out in 1994 originally for the Soviets but was adopted by the Russian federation. Has 114 parts. Originally to replace the Ak-74 platform but was to complex and expensive to produce so in 2006 they stopped producing but are still in service with the Russians as they one hyper burst you get when you pull the trigger comes out in 1800 rounds per minute while it’s regular fire rate is standard 600 rounds per minute
very cool video! i love the idea. What about a video of stupidly simple guns?
+Darby Metcalf Good idea!
+Darby Metcalf I like it ~ Steve
+TFB TV PPS-43 would be on that list.
+Darby Metcalf
A lead pipe, some sticks, nuts, and a nail.
+Darby Metcalf "brilliantly simple Guns", more like it.
suggestions
- Winchester 1885
- Winchester 1907
- Colt 1903/1908
- M3 Grease Gun
- Richardsons Model R5 Philippine Guerrilla Gun (single-shot shogun)
www.guns.com/2013/04/29/richardsons-philippine-guerrilla-gun-a-gun-to-get-a-gun/
Yeah the G41M and the C96 are overly complicated but cool in design. The Nagant revolver is cool but it's to complex. Great video Alex.
You can suppress these. I've seen it done. With a gas seal, there's nothing to stop a suppressor from working.
+James Ritchie We know, it's an inside joke on our channel.
*****
They are like dating a model you can't sleep with.
+TFB TV
So everybody wants until they grow up? That might be accurate.
+Fighter_jet210 Gaming They have the looks of a real gun but you can't feel the excitement of shooting one.
+Rodrigo Terré Well you know, get one with a blowback type. Still wont feel real, but it does make those airsoft games much more exciting!
I have a C96 Broomhandle and I can vouch for the difficulty in taking it apart. The components are so well fit that it almost snaps together. That is the only way I can describe it.
The Remington Model 14 was, and is, the most complicated gun I can imagine. Take a look at the illustrated parts breakdown of the bolt and bolt carrier. John Pedersen was an evil genius. stevespages.com/ipb-remington-14.html
+RyeOnHam I read a quote once about Pedersen that said he would use three parts where one would have sufficed.
+RyeOnHam I've read that the Lahti-Saloranta M/26 (a Finnish machine gun) is also extremely complicated.
+Jeff Thomas
I've heard the same saying in reference to John Browning,
John4566442 Hardly. Browning would use one part in place of 5... and he did.
LOL... I don't think so. The Auto 5, Model 8, the 97 pump, the early Remington shotguns, many of his pistols, his machine guns and most of the other Browning designs are all extremely complicated. Although revolutionary, they often use complex mechanisms and lots of small parts. More so than contemporary designs? In some cases, there were no contemporary designs, but I would argue that Browning wasn't a fan of simplicity.
Of course, this is with 130 years of hindsight. Browning was a great innovator and the most prolific American gun designer of his era. Even if his guns are over-engineered, they are brilliant original ideas, not copies of other designs.
Of course, this is just my opinion. One man's complicated is another man's simple.
Love the Boberg. My dad carries one. So far with the right ammo it has been 100% reliable.
Leave it to Germans to look at a functioning design and say "How can we destroy this in the most expensive overengineering possible"
Germans had some of the best technology at the time. They still do to this day.
Generic Username Errrrrr wrong answer.
Israel currently has the best technology in any full standing army to this day, up to and including tanks, guns, air defense, and situational awareness, for obvious reasons. The U.S. takes most advanced Air Force and most advanced Navy, technologically, and are the only air force to have battle-proven stealth fighters and bombers.
After WWII, Germany was limited for quite a while on what they could design. They used U.S. or Russian imported weapons and equipment up until the end of the cold war, when they got the chance to design their own army again. They have been brought up to the European standard, but for sure don't surpass the U.K. or Russia by much, if at all. Especially with the revamp of the AK line, the T-14 Armata, PAK-50, etc. They've lowered funding quite dramatically due to NATO and the lack of a need to have a full standing army equipped the top-of-the-line gear.
Even during WWII, most designs that were seen as "technologically advanced" ended up breaking down on the side of the road. See: Pz V onward. They were made so poorly that after a few 75 or 76mm rounds, the front plate would start to fall off most Tiger IIs due to the terrible metallurgy late-war. The P80 and Me262 started development around the same time, with the Gloster Meteor arriving almost a full year earlier. The German navy was merely capable for its time, with its big advantage being submersibles in the European theatre. Had the U.S. not been involved with Japan, it would have been very equal in the Atlantic.
The only thing they really had going for them were the V2's and the STG.
Dank Meems I'm talking about WW2. Also, look at the weapons and technology they had at the time. They created some great weapons and vehicles (that of course got copied later on). Look at German cars, they are still really good. In regards to the US having the greates navy, that is because they focus on this area. If Germany was to use its technology for a really large navy, it would be great also.
Generic Username What technology did they possess over the allies besides inaccurate continental rockets? The British had functioning jets before the Germans. The U.S. had the first mass-produced mainstay semi-automatic rifle of the war, since the Gewher and SVT were rare weapons. The British had the first suppressed weapons.
The only reason Germany got so far is because France and Poland were unprepared for war. Their technology was *different*, but not advanced by any means. They had some wacky designs but nothing that allies hadn't already made similar designs of that were more conventional and, more importantly, functional.
It doesn't take advanced technology to create something like the Maus or STG 44. Just desperation and experimentation. The title of first "assault rifle" doesn't mean anything, other than a smaller cartridge in an automatic weapon. It's not new tech, by any stretch.
Dank Meems * the French had the first suppress-able weapons. The Germans had the first types of jets and rocket technology used. Without them we wouldn't see technology like we had today. They did make the first assault rifle as well.
I love your professional attitude and the tone of your voice, very calming.
What is the point or benefit if any of the pistol which loads the rounds in the mag backwards?
+ReganMarcelis Same benefit as with a bullpup design: short weapon with a long barrel.
Wowowoow
This channel is actually exceptionally pleasant to watch.
its easy to know why the nagant revolver shells are like that , the bullets are uncircumcised
Agreed. the C96 Broomhandle is a PAIN IN THE ASS to take apart and put back together. I've only completely done mine once.
"Top 5 overly complicated guns"
Ah I see we're highlighting German Firearms.
really great video! as an amateur fan of engineering and needlessly over-engineered things this was the best thing ive seen in a while on the internet in general, nice content!
The Chiappa Rhino is pretty damn complicated.
Yeah, the I remember when I got my salvaged Mauser C96. I took a look at my manual, looked at what was going to be the pistol in a couple of ziplock bags, looked back at the manual, then at the bags, and then determined that I have no clue what was doing and then went to a youtube video on how to put it together.
She has been reassembled, and is fire able but the bore is worn smooth and the browning worn off, but I still love it.
Sig is beautiful.
I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed this video. Thanks for making and posting.
han solo shure knows how to pick a blaster.
I'm kinda surprised that winter triggers aren't more common. It seems like a great feature to me.
Aren't all pistols with magazines in the grip bullpup?
Depends a bit on what you mean. The thing about this one is that it moves the mechanism even further back by feeding the cartridges back and forth, allowing for the barrel to protrude even less in the front.
I've been shooting a Boberg XR9L for almost a year now and I love shooting it, I have never had any ammo issues, been using Sellier & Bellot FMJ it seems to love the stuff
3:16 my parents have this gun lmao
Pretty refreshing video. Saw a few guns that I haven't seen before. Usually its a rehash of mildly uncommon stuff that most people dont see, but still know well enough. That SIG is quite sexy IMO. Love the K series charging handle.
1:43 "M 1895 nigga revolver" Last time I watched it in 2015 it said "M 1895 Nagant revolver" hm...
I hear nagant
Nice commentary, no BS, pleasant listening.
I cringed the way you said nagant
+Lucas Hagg Ah, yes. The correct pronunciation is "garbage".
+Lucas Hagg Let's not mention the molybdenum
***** true
+TFB TV "Garage"?
Didn't you mean "Garbage"?
+Rustam Yaushev not expecting you to call me the 6god I am. Insolence. I am so inexplicably hurt by some person on the Internet, I'm disappointed. (:
That's why I liked so much my old FN-FAL when I was in the army. Brutally powerful, tough, simple, reliable, not too many moving parts and could be disassembled with a coin.
in USA you can buy a gun like bread right ?
+Francois Schultis No you actually buy bread like guns.
yes they are easy to get but they are getting harder in recent years because all the anti gun protests and stuff
+Francois Schultis
No, not even close
I haven't seen bread in years we have been forced to eat barrettes where I live
In some States, military-style bread with over ten ounces of yeast is banned by Communists! Also, no cookie dough shooters with folding or collapsible stocks!
That Boberg really threw me for a loop, i want one! These are all just so interesting to me
I've wanted one for quite awhile, but boy they are pretty salty
+Mike Pipher damn collectors, always trading and hoarding for more and more
+Richard Granger I've shot .45 Super through a XR45-S. Amazing little gun. (I don't own it, a friend of mine does.)
I'm trying not to rage out on what would be a simple video.
Stop fading in or panning out. If your trying to showcase a firearms, don't move it out of the shot. sigh
couldn't have said it better myself
Its an overly conplex video on overly complex firearms
Yeah, the cinematography for this video could use some work. The pan was cringey and could've been cut sooner in post production to avoid awkwardly looking at the table for 3 seconds.
Good presentation and good tone. BTW that's the first time I've seen a winter trigger, what a great idea.
"nuh-gant"
*shudder*
+liberandon I am not a Francophone, so forgive my anglicization.
0000030331 Mosin is Russian, Nagant is a French name.
0000030331 This might be two years old, but I bet your brain is still smooth
@@diabeticmonkey 100% his parents didn't vaccinate him
A very high quality Video!
Really good job
Was hoping to see an AN94. That thing has a pulley system for recoil control and the barrel oscillates like a tank turret lol.
2:38 but you could put a suppressor on it, very useful for when in a gun fight and need to blend in with the Warzone sounds
I like these kinda videos so i subbed!
+Scottishlandwarrior Thanks more on thier way!
hey TFB. i saw your first video today. i really appreciate your to the point commentary and polite voice. as well as your knowledge about firearms. i have a C96 too and it is indeed made by the devil. anyways keep up the good work. regards.
love the easy accessible winter trigger.
Mauser Broomhandle. Shoots well, but a nightmare to put back together? Spot on.
Good video, always interesting to learn about firearms that are pretty much obscure. The imagination that goes into the design of these weapons is amazing.
That was neat. I learned a lot, including how much I want a SIG AMT and C96.
Recently purchased a Mauser C96 Broomhandle. Have never taken it apart, nor do I think I want to. It's more for looking at than shooting.
While I'm not super into guns or anything, this was a pretty good video and I like hearing people go into things they like. Still, as someone not very familiar with all manner of firearms, it would have been nice if you added pictures of things you were referencing. I had a general idea of what a Mauser was before Googling it, but would have appreciated a visual aide so I could better follow what you were saying. Anyways. Nice video, and keep up the good work with what you're doing.
The first time I field stripped one of my Broomhandle/Bolo Mausers I liked to have never gotten it back together. I've done that a half dozen times or more and it's become easier. Very enjoyable video.
Yesssss! Mauser C96! Love it. Need to get my hands on one in the future.
You can suppress any revolver with a decent gas seal. If there is any kind of gap between the cylinder and the barrel then gas can escape which renders it unable to be silenced effectively.
I have never seen a Boberg mechanism before, that it very cool. Thank you for sharing Alex, nice little video on some interesting guns ^^
Mars pistol. It’s ridiculous how complex it is. Ian from forgotten weapons has a video on it.
Would've been fun to take a look at the bipod of that SIG. My dad told me it's adjustable so you can put it on the ground like a mortar when firing grenades with it
For the second gun (russian revolver), the mecanism is here for the sound supressor that can be added to the muzzle (it look likes a bottle) it's one of the first supressor. It's maybe THE first
loved the video! it was cool to see some guns i never heard of like the first one.
I cant believe you didn't mention the wheellock, it was needlessly complicated in that the way u prime it was to take a wrench and twist the wheel which took some time. It also needed a very powerful spring to spin the wheel which would break easily and was difficult to fix on the battle field and expensive to make.
Not only was it needlessly complicated but also unreliable.
You should take a look at the British Mars pistol. Ian took a look at it over at forgotten weapons.
I always love your guy's videos.
I like the nagant revolver concept. It makes the gun a slight bit more complicated, but allows you to use a suppressor.
C96 is hard to take apart, but even harder to put it back together. We did it in school, without any instructions or drawings, and it took a long time.
The Nagant's moving cylinder and cartridge also serves a safety purpose. It doesn't matter what is next to your revolver because it creates a seal so you don't have excess gas blowing out from the sides from the cylinder barrel gap.
Love your narration.
Nice! Right off the bat, I thought to myself "That looks like a G-43" and I was close, it was a G-41m.
Man I came back to this video just for an OG topic list from Alex James is cool and all but being an original fan the reviews Alex does just hit the spot👌
Funny fact about the Nagant. In the Empire shell used to drop out of drum as usual revolver shells. But in early period, Soviet Union started to produce thin shells for saving resources. So while firing it used to swell, and a soldier should extrude the shell, by pushing it with an iron stick in order to reload it.
My friend's great grandfather used to remember and complain about it.
i on one hand think overenginnering is great. I mean, its awesome if you can create an efficient, effective, yet simple design (like an ak-47) off the bat, but we learn through trial and error. I really appreciate the platform for improvement that overengineering offers, not to mention the many ideas it brings to the table. Which part of the system do we improve upon? which parts do we mitigate? its artistic, in my eyes
you Can supress a nagant revolver as because it gas seales,the sound doesnt go out before the bullet leaves the barrel,thus meaning that if you stick the right supressor,it will work as a supressed gun
I own a Nagant Revolver, and Love it. Some time soon i'll get a 32 conversion cylinder.and yes you can suppress this hand gun.
Thank you! the most concise and pleasant presentations I have ever seen. I subscribed Thank you
I have never handled a C91 but Browning HP-DA is at the top of the my list of guns that I really do not want to disassemble any more than necessary...
First time seeing one of your videos. Thank you for being a normal channel and not a "tactical bad-ass look at all my m4 accessories" channel that starts every video with crappy stock metal riffs.
Beeing swiss and finaly seeing someone talking about one of our guns (SIG SG 510 or STGW 57)
the Nagant Revolver aka Horse Pistol. Great shooting little revolver but the one I have, the trigger pull is about 30lbs in double action. plus the ammo is getting up there in price.
You can supress the nagant with a sort of glass bottle specially made for. It's single use so you have to replace the broken "glass bottle" by a new one after every shot
Definitely subscribing. Great and informative video!
+Zachary Stahl Thanks!
glad to see the boberg, it's a fun gun! I got one from the first batch. #45!
Love the SIG510.
Subbed for the awesome voice overdub