Darren Atm if your talking about ak 47s and similar variations that is because it is automatic therefore making it prohibited.The reason guns like the dragunov is considered prohibited is because (I believe)the government believes that you can turn the dragunov(and anything based of the ak “action”)into an automatic rifle.There was actually a few years ago an airsoft gun of an ak (may of being a BB gun or something)that got banned because the government thought people were converting them to fire actual cartridges(they weren’t).i could be wrong with all this so I recommend you do some research for yourself. *edit for a spelling mistakes
@@thought_of_a_name I believe the Vz 58 is popular and the AK rifle is banned because of its association with terrorists using AK rifles. And for the Dragunov, i actually dont know. I never heard of automatic Dragunov rifle. I think it's impossible to make Dragunov automatic. It is quite rare in the US because it was banned from import (i think). The closest rifle for being a Dragunov is the Romanian PSL and Vepr rifles.
Darren Atm you are correct about the dragunov not being able to be converted to automatic.(edit to add on to this)You are probably right about the association with terrorists
@@thought_of_a_name Dragunov SVU-A is a full auto version of the Dragunov SVU which is essentially a bullpup SVD. Never heard of a full auto version of the conventional layout SVD though.
despite the high cost, the 17's are more popular than the 16's. We have SCAR's just collecting dust on the shelves because no one likes them. And now that the Sig MCX is out and does all the same stuff for way less $$$, I don't see that changing.
The MCX has some bonuses over the 16, such as using AR triggers. I have a Geissele in my Scar 17 and its a great trigger, however I put a BCM PNT in my MCX and for $56 rather than $325 I'm happy enough
The price of AR-15s is not really about design, it's about massive production in large quantities that drops the price. Not so long time ago it was quite expensive.
Well, the AR-15 is indeed a very simple and easy to manufacture firearm. The direct gas impingement system allows for easier manufacturing as it doesn't need a piston.
This guy is the Bob Ross of the gun world....he makes me feel like I should be in a robe and slippers with a pipe and hot chocolate next to my fireplace cuddled up with my ar15.
@@nickwhite2569 i love Ian. He dives into the mechanical elements of firearms quite a bit, which i find really interesting. He's definitely one of the most knowledgeable dudes in the gun community.
Yep. Considering you could buy 3 very fine ARs for the price of one of these guns, AND have basically infinite customization options, owning one of these rifles is more about spending the money than enjoying a 'superior' platform. And there's nothing wrong with that. What's the use of having money if you can't enjoy spending it? But scratching your head and making a video wondering why these $2K-$4K rifles aren't more popular is silly. But I def agree on the more affordable VZ. Great gun.
@@mmclaurin8035 The reason why the Bren 805 is appealing to me and others like me is that there just isn't a whole lot of good, well supported piston-driven 5.56 platforms on the market. If you want a gun that shoots 5.56 that can also safely use corrosive/cheap steel ammo there aren't many options.
Same here! It is literally my dream rifle, as in I had a dream about some weird rifle, then I wake up, see it and the price, and buy it, and here we are now, and I can't get enough of it. 😄
Yeah I just sold mine. Didn't like the trigger and the recessed mag release is annoying to use. I would also like to see more aftermarket furniture and muzzle devices; the ones I can find are usually not what I'm looking for or are completely out of stock and no longer produced.
Nothing some polymer furniture can't fix. I bought a VZ58 polymer furniture kit from Zahal, and theres no overheating handguards, and the buttstock is retractable, and it also folds. I would also argue that the VZ58 is more accurate than most AKs. I own a CAI VZ2008.
hmm thought that the pistol version of the cz 805 bren was the weapon that Defoe used in clear and present danger, but well it is from 2006 and the movie from the mid 90ies...
Ok so I know I'm 2 years late but I have to mention this for future readers. It's actually an Olympic Arms OA-93. Basically this: th-cam.com/video/apd6NXWgBZk/w-d-xo.html
I adore the VZ.58 and trust it with home defense duty. We got very lucky to grab one an hour after it was sold to our local gun shop, like new and with 14 magazines. Great call.
I absolutely agree CZ is RTG right out of the box. No attachments or anything needed, trigger...awesome, tritium sights... on point and mag....wow😮 21+1 (CZ-P09SR). They create some Sexy firearms
@@UltraLegoEnthusiast basically u can own some guns after a lot of paper work and tests but u can't carry it and you need to keep it at home in a safe separated from the ammo.
Great weapon! Austria and the Czech Republic have one of the best "great firearm design/capita" rates in the world. Huzzah for Eastern and Central Europe.!
+Pouk 3D but Austria is the ethnic and culturally historical center of Germanic peoples. Vienna was THE center for Germanic music, language, art, and culture. Germanic culture is Central European, as it defines the term Central European. Czech is not culturally Germanic but Slavic. The Czech Republic is a Slavic nation, having more in common with Poles. It is an understandable mistake to classify the Czechs as Central European, but they are not. They are the farthest western outpost of Slavic culture whereas the Germanic cultural capital happened to be farther southeast of the majority of Germanic peoples. This is because Austria achieved unity far earlier than what is defined as Germany today. Think of it like how much of Indiana or all of Kansas and New Mexico are south of Virginia, yet none are called "Southern" states because culturally they are not.
+Jakub Makovsky I am such a savage, obviously being a Slovak and Pole mutt via my father and an ever more extensive polyglot with my mom. Really though, the only significance is in values. Being a red-blooded American not from some goofy metropolis, I share more values with the Poles, Czechs, etc. than with Germany. My God, my family, and my country.
@Jeff Rogers It's not a ghost gun. The lower is fully assembled with serial number that is registered on transfer There is really no incentive to do otherwise since fully assembled lowers are so cheap. Or at least they were. Haven't checked the price lately
Thanks for the market speech. Applies to so many things. Good video. Funny seeing the ACR there. I distinctly remember it being the second coming of Jesus.
When it comes to Firearms, Magpul certainly creates a lot of vaporware and concepts...Like that small carbine that was later copied by Red Jacket Firearms...Or the folding SMG...
The folding SMG they specified was never to be a production gun. It was just something they were messing around with like the Knights Armament Co. Chainsaw gripped Stoner LMG.
I agree with your SCAR .308 assessment. I bought a M1A Scout, because it was only $1350 and did everything I wanted a 308 semi-auto to do. If I want to make it like the SCAR, I can just buy a stock kit for it.
Your videos and your love for the Mauser 98 inspired to buy one today, and I've already fallen in love with it. Thanks for making awesome videos and keep up the good work
To compare the ergonomics of the FN SCAR 17S to the HK G3 (at 1:04) or the FAL is pointless due to the age of the G3's and the FAL's design. You should better compare it to the HK 417 or the SIG SG 751. For me the best modern battle rifles.
Thanks, Alex, for including the ACR, which is basically a must for this list. Awesome gun that I thought had potential like the AR-15 and SCAR platforms, but fell on its face. I really wish Bushmaster and the public would give it another chance to let this gun and the aftermarket for it blossom.
Magpul realize pretty quickly they didn't want to be in the rifle making business. That puts them in the position of being a competitor to their best clients . It is so much better for them to be OEM on everybody else's gun then to incentivize every other gun manufacturer, to make and market their own magazines and furniture .
The CZ Bren is a solid gun and completely worth buying one. Also almost all of these are a relative flop due to: high price, low availability, low parts availability, or magazine choice is limited. The only exception is the Bren and it is becoming very popular.
From the perspective of someone who is not well-versed in the firearm community BUT is very active in the gaming community, I can say that the 805 is becoming a more recognized rifle. It's been used in some mainstream shooters as of late, like Battlefield 4, Ghost Recon, COD Ghosts, and most recently Payday 2. I know some people in firearm communities don't like gamers coming over to talk guns, but I just wanted to add my two cents. I love the BREN and would love to see it in more ranges/stores. Great video, btw.
Just rented the CZ-805 today at the local range and I can see why it’s such a great gun. Low recoil, good impact, and a stable feel that is natural to shoot
I just got a cz bren 805 carbine. I've had it only 2 weeks and love it already. The only 2 negatives I can see people having with it are that you need to punch out a roll pin to remove the bolt from the carrier (not needed on the 806) and while it does have a bolt hold it does not have a bolt release, you have to pull the charging handle back and let it fly.
1/9 is actually a great twist rate unless your intent is to fire heavy 5.56 75 grain. 40-55-62 grains shoot flawlessly out of my m&p15 sport 2. 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. Could probably be better if i had more time to dedicate to shooting. The struggle is real
Then how come you have one, and also the fact that its still the standard issue rifle in the Belgian Army, and that its also okay in the rest of the world.
I shot an FS2000 at a gun range a few years back an it was one of the best shooting rifles i've ever used. I'm not a big fan of bullpups in general so i didn't have high expectations for it but man, the accuracy was so good i couldn't believe it. I also like the fact that it can be used left handed. I'd love to have one some day
PSA had the VZ78 with three magazines for a special about six months ago. It was going for $399.00. I wanted to purchase one so bad, but just did not have the money at that time. Thx for the video. Cheers
The scar is without a doubt the best .308 battle rifle. But... It is without a doubt the most expensive. By a lot. Which is why I will by both an fal, m1a, and 1000rds before I buy a scar
I love my fs2000 too. I think part of the problem is that so many people think it looks ugly, plus for a long time it was selling for 2500-3000 dollars, as well as the fact that it is big and bulky, pretty heavy (especially with the trigger rail), the trigger socks, people are probably unsure about the forward ejection/reliability/clearing jams, and so on.
I had an opportunity to fire a dealer sample SCAR17 in full auto. I would NOT choose it for service. Too light, high reciprocating mass relative to bore center line and stock. And, I do not see where the price vs. construction is a good value.
I worked with a Czech Major and he said most of his men want the VZ-58 back. They like the 7.62 more than the 5.56. He also said they want M4s over the 805. But we agreed that people think the grass is greenest on the other side. I thought it was interesting that no matter the military, there is resistance to change.
Here in Canada the Vz-58 is hugely popular. We also have the Norinco Type 97 as a popular non-restricted rifle, not sure if you folks in the States can have those though
Why do all new designs have to be so expensive? Its not like they are using different materials than an AR or AK. Cant they release anything under $1000 these days?
You have to understand why AKs and ARs are cheap. Basically everyone from S&W, Windham weaponry, Springfield armory, and many other manufacturers imported or produced AR and AK rifles. Other rifles are produced specifically from their company. You cant find CZ 805, F2000, AUG, Tavor, and other rifles produced by other manufacturers. And also, they cant compete with the AK and AR, which dominates US rifle market.
+TFB TV Yup, I looked back at your videos. I saw the one with you guys clinking beer bottles. That was right around when I subscribed. Not even a year later, and 150'000 plus! Again congratulations!
+IH - MTXRGU it doesn't really make sense for any of us. The law came about in the 30's, when the average American only used firearms for sporting (hunting) use and recreational shooting was completely out of the question. That being said, the government believed that there was no sporting use for short barrel shotguns or rifles and if someone had one, then they were a gangster and needed a small, short firearm to be able to conceal it in a coat. Thus, they made them illegal to have without registration so they could take suspected criminal into custody if they were not able to pin any other charges on them. The law is antiquated and stupid. People from every walk of life can now afford to shoot recreationally at a range, and 30's era gangsters are not much of a problem. Combine that with how accessible handguns are now, and the law is bullshit that needs to be repealed along with the entire NFA
I'm sure many people shot recreationally back then...But without adequate hearing protection I'm sure it was more limited hence the popularity of gallery type firearms....But during the depression it may have been too expensive for the layman to be able to afford it back then since they were barely able to afford food...And after the first world war I'm sure plenty of people had no stomach for firearms especially not military style firearms...I think that's another reason why the bans were allowed to happen...Now after the most recent wars, Most of us Veterans adore the weapons we were issued, I never thought of owning an AR-15 until I was ready to medically retire out of the Army...That's part of the reason why AR-15's and AK's have become so popular...
+GrOuNdZeRo7777 Dangerous Things Channel the only people that shot recreationally were the upper echelon with spare money, it had absolutely nothing to do with "hearing protection". For gods sake, you can wad paper into your ears and make good enough ear protection. Cartridges were expensive, and were in limited supply. World war 1 had no more effect on people's preference on firearms than today's wars have, just like you described. Some had bad experiences, some didn't. Think of how many 1903's ended up sporterized and 1911's came home for protection. You make the people scared over an issue (crime) and there can be no surprise why they passed the laws with no real issue. Look at prohibition
I bought the full length 805 Bren and I couldn’t be happier with it. I couldn’t justify the Scar’s price, and no local gun shops had any ACR’s (a rifle that has been on my wishlist for years). Fortunately the 805 has the cosmetic look of both to a degree, enough so that all I need to do is swap out the atrocious buttstock for an ACR stock and adaptor and I’ll be the happiest camper. The Bren is gonna stay in my collection permanently. There’s nothing that would make me part with it.
Great video, it's fun to hear you talk about guns. I live in a country that has EXTREMELY tight gun control. (The guns(even air guns/air soft) have to be kept at the range only and it cost $3000 to register as a member of the rifle association with a $300 annual fee and even non firing replicas needs registration of your social security number. I just got snap cap dummy rounds to play and fiddle with when I'm bored and what surprised me now seeing these guns is how small 223 ammo actually is because when I see it on TH-cam and in the movies, it looks much bigger that in real life.
I really wish I was able to afford the CZ 805, but you are absolutely right. I built my Aero Precision AR15 for only 700 total and an Aero AR10 for only 900. I waited for sales and was really able to get the most bang for the buck. Now I can actually save up for an Eotech with G33 Mag or a Trijicon ACOG and still be under the pricepoint of a single CZ 805 or SCAR 17
the only thing that sucks for the VZ is the fact that it comes with an R22 compliant trigger that only has one disconnector. that causes the infamous Gremlin because the bolt will pass over the disconnector without engaging it. stock VZ trigger from Czechoslovakia had two disconnectors, one for semi one for fully.
a Czech made vz85 clone for more then 1000 dollar is ridicules I got my cz bild 858 tactical for 275 euros new in the box whit cleaning kit and 3 magazines
Am I the only one who thinks the FN F2000 is a terrible gun? it's bulky, feels awkward, doesn't have many options for attachments, I hear the trigger is terrible, and clearing jams is like performing open heart surgery. I think it's overrated.
The Gentleman Different strokes for different blokes. I think Jay Kae says it quite well "Function over form". I think my 1911, Nova and Model 70 are beautiful, but that doesn't mean others think the same. Just like people disagree on what is 'art' when we speak of paintings. Just my opinion solely based on my preferences.
+Jeremy Madsen I understand that, however I was not commenting on the functionality of the SCAR, I was simply commenting on the fact he said it was ugly.
I wish KAC was still working on that "Gatmalite" AR Upper kit, looked promising as a way to solve barrel overheating, but it just disappeared... Could you imagine it in an LMG configuration? Would be years ahead as far as continuous fire support goes...
Love the list, I would like to see all the B&T products from the USW through APC 556 get more popular. They suffer from the price point as well, but are of better quality and build than the SCAR. On the cheaper end The MCaRBO or M series Sub2k is another that should gain more popularity as it is unveiled. The upgrades from Mcarbo straight from the manufacturer make these guns shine and really outperform any similarly priced ar9, ak9, ruger pc carbine, and others. Watching the shooting team win competitions and then them letting me handle their guns, was amazing. Something I will add to the collection as it deserves a spot.
Super excited to see your 805 Bren SBR!! Excellent decision picking one of those up, btw... I mean, the thing is basically CZ’s version of the SCAR-16 but costs HALF as much (even AFTER the SBR conversion)!! Who can you say no to that?!?
Not a lot of people seem to remember the AR18. Its like a stoner 63 but it has a sleek design. I own one with a wood furniture. I have used this rifle for so many years with a g3 and fal appearance as well as looking as a galil while being a little stoner 63. I have an assault version of the stoner 63 so I hope armalite can release this weapon. They are planning to have it released. I like the AR180 and glad it made a comeback for the ar18.
I remember years ago paying 2400 all said and done for my new SOCOM 2 with full length cluster rail. (This was pre controversy) Still have it and love it.
Hard to get me to buy something 3x as expensive as my AR that doesn't offer me a substantial increase in performance. Some of these platforms may be incrementally better, but nowhere near enough to justify the cost. So like you said, until they can get the price down on all of these, ARs and AKs will dominate. Great video!
Great Video! I'd love to own a SCAR but like you said @ 3k it's just too much. The FS2000 has been one of my favorites for a while. I think the combination of lack of marketing + none tactical aesthetics is what contributes to it's lack of sales.
I still think the ACR has so much potential. Remington Defense, which is basically non existent now, developed several awesome variants of the ACR. If a new company bought the design or if Remington or Bushmaster worked on the ACR and its aftermarket accessories I think it could be one of the best "AR-style" rifles on the market.
Since AKs are banned up here in Canada, the VZ-58s are super popular. I used to own one and I loved it.
I still dont understand why they banned the AK. Because it is popular with Islamic terrorists?
Darren Atm if your talking about ak 47s and similar variations that is because it is automatic therefore making it prohibited.The reason guns like the dragunov is considered prohibited is because (I believe)the government believes that you can turn the dragunov(and anything based of the ak “action”)into an automatic rifle.There was actually a few years ago an airsoft gun of an ak (may of being a BB gun or something)that got banned because the government thought people were converting them to fire actual cartridges(they weren’t).i could be wrong with all this so I recommend you do some research for yourself. *edit for a spelling mistakes
@@thought_of_a_name I believe the Vz 58 is popular and the AK rifle is banned because of its association with terrorists using AK rifles.
And for the Dragunov, i actually dont know. I never heard of automatic Dragunov rifle. I think it's impossible to make Dragunov automatic. It is quite rare in the US because it was banned from import (i think). The closest rifle for being a Dragunov is the Romanian PSL and Vepr rifles.
Darren Atm you are correct about the dragunov not being able to be converted to automatic.(edit to add on to this)You are probably right about the association with terrorists
@@thought_of_a_name Dragunov SVU-A is a full auto version of the Dragunov SVU which is essentially a bullpup SVD. Never heard of a full auto version of the conventional layout SVD though.
I feel like the scar is extremely popular.. If you can afford it
Well, we're all poor soooo it's not.
Its high class popular
+MrIloveoldschool now only if we can be socialist.... oh wait where did my money go?
despite the high cost, the 17's are more popular than the 16's. We have SCAR's just collecting dust on the shelves because no one likes them. And now that the Sig MCX is out and does all the same stuff for way less $$$, I don't see that changing.
The MCX has some bonuses over the 16, such as using AR triggers. I have a Geissele in my Scar 17 and its a great trigger, however I put a BCM PNT in my MCX and for $56 rather than $325 I'm happy enough
The price of AR-15s is not really about design, it's about massive production in large quantities that drops the price. Not so long time ago it was quite expensive.
Economies of scale.
Well, the AR-15 is indeed a very simple and easy to manufacture firearm. The direct gas impingement system allows for easier manufacturing as it doesn't need a piston.
Remember when sks was 90$ aks were 220 and ars up and above 1250 just for an entry level. How times change
Back in the 90s there were like what, 3 manufacturers? Now theres too many to count.
This guy is the Bob Ross of the gun world....he makes me feel like I should be in a robe and slippers with a pipe and hot chocolate next to my fireplace cuddled up with my ar15.
Let's just put a serene bushmaster against this tree...
Let’s paint some happy mags
You should watch Forgotten Weapons
@@nickwhite2569 i love Ian. He dives into the mechanical elements of firearms quite a bit, which i find really interesting. He's definitely one of the most knowledgeable dudes in the gun community.
Have you seen hickock45
You know why these things aren't popular? Most people don't find a $2k+ price very appealing. The VZ is excellent though.
Yep. Considering you could buy 3 very fine ARs for the price of one of these guns, AND have basically infinite customization options, owning one of these rifles is more about spending the money than enjoying a 'superior' platform. And there's nothing wrong with that. What's the use of having money if you can't enjoy spending it? But scratching your head and making a video wondering why these $2K-$4K rifles aren't more popular is silly.
But I def agree on the more affordable VZ. Great gun.
If i can be bothersome. What. THE. Fuck. Is your profile pic My Good sir
@@mmclaurin8035 The reason why the Bren 805 is appealing to me and others like me is that there just isn't a whole lot of good, well supported piston-driven 5.56 platforms on the market. If you want a gun that shoots 5.56 that can also safely use corrosive/cheap steel ammo there aren't many options.
The one time i held an fs-2000, i had an overwhelming desire to yell out, "BUGS! WE'VE GOT BUGS!!!"
BAMBI
I'm liking this video just because of the vz58😉
VZ58 stock sucks and its hard to shoot long distance. The hand-guards overheat.
Same here! It is literally my dream rifle, as in I had a dream about some weird rifle, then I wake up, see it and the price, and buy it, and here we are now, and I can't get enough of it. 😄
ventilated gloves and a new stock will solve that.
Yeah I just sold mine. Didn't like the trigger and the recessed mag release is annoying to use. I would also like to see more aftermarket furniture and muzzle devices; the ones I can find are usually not what I'm looking for or are completely out of stock and no longer produced.
Nothing some polymer furniture can't fix. I bought a VZ58 polymer furniture kit from Zahal, and theres no overheating handguards, and the buttstock is retractable, and it also folds.
I would also argue that the VZ58 is more accurate than most AKs. I own a CAI VZ2008.
hmm thought that the pistol version of the cz 805 bren was the weapon that Defoe used in clear and present danger, but well it is from 2006 and the movie from the mid 90ies...
It was just a hollywoodified AR.
Ok so I know I'm 2 years late but I have to mention this for future readers. It's actually an Olympic Arms OA-93.
Basically this: th-cam.com/video/apd6NXWgBZk/w-d-xo.html
I adore the VZ.58 and trust it with home defense duty. We got very lucky to grab one an hour after it was sold to our local gun shop, like new and with 14 magazines. Great call.
cz has always been the underdog but their omega triggers are bad ass, and its super reliable
I absolutely agree CZ is RTG right out of the box. No attachments or anything needed, trigger...awesome, tritium sights... on point and mag....wow😮 21+1 (CZ-P09SR). They create some Sexy firearms
when you want a scar but you live in Spain and you remember that you can't cuz guns are banned. (Cries in E.U*)
wait, all guns are banned to civilians?
come to the US we need you
@@UltraLegoEnthusiast basically u can own some guns after a lot of paper work and tests but u can't carry it and you need to keep it at home in a safe separated from the ammo.
When you come to America will go to the range.
Build a gun out of paper. It’s better than jack shit or airsoft
the VZ 58 is argueably more popular than the AK in the Czech Republic
i like that alot lmao
Great weapon! Austria and the Czech Republic have one of the best "great firearm design/capita" rates in the world. Huzzah for Eastern and Central Europe.!
Handywithdasteel I know right
its awesome
Czech Republic is Austria's northern neighbor, they're both Central Europe. :)
+Pouk 3D but Austria is the ethnic and culturally historical center of Germanic peoples. Vienna was THE center for Germanic music, language, art, and culture. Germanic culture is Central European, as it defines the term Central European.
Czech is not culturally Germanic but Slavic. The Czech Republic is a Slavic nation, having more in common with Poles.
It is an understandable mistake to classify the Czechs as Central European, but they are not.
They are the farthest western outpost of Slavic culture whereas the Germanic cultural capital happened to be farther southeast of the majority of Germanic peoples. This is because Austria achieved unity far earlier than what is defined as Germany today.
Think of it like how much of Indiana or all of Kansas and New Mexico are south of Virginia, yet none are called "Southern" states because culturally they are not.
+Jakub Makovsky I am such a savage, obviously being a Slovak and Pole mutt via my father and an ever more extensive polyglot with my mom.
Really though, the only significance is in values. Being a red-blooded American not from some goofy metropolis, I share more values with the Poles, Czechs, etc. than with Germany.
My God, my family, and my country.
I built my own AR 15
Bought a fully assembled upper and lower and put them together LOL
Same😂
Do it fully auto
@Jeff Rogers It's not a ghost gun. The lower is fully assembled with serial number that is registered on transfer
There is really no incentive to do otherwise since fully assembled lowers are so cheap. Or at least they were. Haven't checked the price lately
It's like a Lego set
Could you make a video about guns suitable for left handed people
And a list of guns very unsuitable for lefties
The FS2000 kinda reminds me of the battlerifles from the Aliens movies
Reminds me of a fish
They don't call it the "Tactical Tuna" for nothing, you know1 :D
+Terry Faugno haha
definitely in the top 3 of the ugliest guns
+adam briar not by a longshot , fs2000 for sexiest gun of the 21st century
Thanks for the market speech. Applies to so many things. Good video. Funny seeing the ACR there. I distinctly remember it being the second coming of Jesus.
When it comes to Firearms, Magpul certainly creates a lot of vaporware and concepts...Like that small carbine that was later copied by Red Jacket Firearms...Or the folding SMG...
The folding SMG they specified was never to be a production gun. It was just something they were messing around with like the Knights Armament Co. Chainsaw gripped Stoner LMG.
The Czech rifle with the wood stock looked interesting. At a lower price, I would consider that one.
Big fan of the CZ Bren. Can't wait to see it SBRed.
Two czech guns on one list? That makes me proud as a czech citizen :D
Czech guns have a cult following in the US. Especially their pistols.
GiantPen23 If only the PCR was more available :/
You have reason to be!
i have to admit, CZ makes good stuff
There are also 2 Belgian weapons
Ay yooo the vz 58. In Czechia we also call It "kosa" which translated means something like "sickle"
The acr and scar look so much better than most ARs
I agree with your SCAR .308 assessment. I bought a M1A Scout, because it was only $1350 and did everything I wanted a 308 semi-auto to do. If I want to make it like the SCAR, I can just buy a stock kit for it.
The socom 16 cqb comes as such
The "FNH SCAR17s" and the .308 round, the two cover a lot of ground.
Double Thumbs Up, and then some!
Your videos and your love for the Mauser 98 inspired to buy one today, and I've already fallen in love with it. Thanks for making awesome videos and keep up the good work
I love my Vz 58, and I'm hoping one day to be able to get a CZ 805 Bren S1 carbine variant.
You guys rock! Best gun reviews, videos on the net. You need your own tv channel please. The viewers are there!
Vz 58....in our country (as a producer) it costed about 200 USD ..now it costs almost twice as much...and in USA ??..like 4 times more....sad
+TFB TV You're welcome for the support man. keep it up dude. Love the channel and happy to support.
To compare the ergonomics of the FN SCAR 17S to the HK G3 (at 1:04) or the FAL is pointless due to the age of the G3's and the FAL's design. You should better compare it to the HK 417 or the SIG SG 751. For me the best modern battle rifles.
Id still take a G3 or an FAL over the 17s
I don't understand why you TFB TV doesn't have many many more subscribers you guys do such a wonderful job on gun reviews and everything else
TFB is my new favorite gun channel
+Freedom Child
Cool :)
Thanks, Alex, for including the ACR, which is basically a must for this list. Awesome gun that I thought had potential like the AR-15 and SCAR platforms, but fell on its face. I really wish Bushmaster and the public would give it another chance to let this gun and the aftermarket for it blossom.
magpul should've made the masad(acr) instead
Agree they screwed the pooch on that one.
+Scott7891 what i hate the most is that bushmaster didn't even try to stand behind there product and just left it in the attic
Magpul realize pretty quickly they didn't want to be in the rifle making business. That puts them in the position of being a competitor to their best clients . It is so much better for them to be OEM on everybody else's gun then to incentivize every other gun manufacturer, to make and market their own magazines and furniture .
The CZ Bren is a solid gun and completely worth buying one. Also almost all of these are a relative flop due to: high price, low availability, low parts availability, or magazine choice is limited. The only exception is the Bren and it is becoming very popular.
7.62 ARs do what the scar does just as well. (Let's not get into arguing over the whole piston vs DI thing)
From the perspective of someone who is not well-versed in the firearm community BUT is very active in the gaming community, I can say that the 805 is becoming a more recognized rifle. It's been used in some mainstream shooters as of late, like Battlefield 4, Ghost Recon, COD Ghosts, and most recently Payday 2. I know some people in firearm communities don't like gamers coming over to talk guns, but I just wanted to add my two cents. I love the BREN and would love to see it in more ranges/stores.
Great video, btw.
The VZ2008 is a great gun. I spent 350-400 in mine
Just rented the CZ-805 today at the local range and I can see why it’s such a great gun. Low recoil, good impact, and a stable feel that is natural to shoot
I'm surprised the Steyr AUG wasn't mentioned. It's a well known gun but not as popular sales wise.
I'd say its second most popular Bullpup in US
@@johnbacon4997 what do you think is the first?
As an Austrian iam proud of it that our gun is not that popular 😂😜
We don't wanna see our guns in TV where innocent people getting shot 👍
@@fabog.5575 Glocks are the number one handguns used in crime.
Yeah that's sad
I just got a cz bren 805 carbine. I've had it only 2 weeks and love it already. The only 2 negatives I can see people having with it are that you need to punch out a roll pin to remove the bolt from the carrier (not needed on the 806) and while it does have a bolt hold it does not have a bolt release, you have to pull the charging handle back and let it fly.
**Proudly sings the Czech anthem**
PTR-91 has another advantage over the SCAR. It looks like a G3. Despite the various drawbacks of the G3 pattern; its mystique often outweighs them.
1/9 barrel what the hell were they thinking? And also if the CZ was about 500 less it would be flying off the shelves
1/9 is actually a great twist rate unless your intent is to fire heavy 5.56 75 grain. 40-55-62 grains shoot flawlessly out of my m&p15 sport 2. 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. Could probably be better if i had more time to dedicate to shooting. The struggle is real
From what I heard the CZ 805 is very close to the SCAR platform, and is well worth it's cost!
What about the FN FNC? Why didn't you include that?
+Luke Farmer
They are banned
What?! Since when? And why? I've never heard of this.
+Luke Farmer
Since 1989
Then how come you have one, and also the fact that its still the standard issue rifle in the Belgian Army, and that its also okay in the rest of the world.
Look up 89 bush ban.
I shot an FS2000 at a gun range a few years back an it was one of the best shooting rifles i've ever used. I'm not a big fan of bullpups in general so i didn't have high expectations for it but man, the accuracy was so good i couldn't believe it. I also like the fact that it can be used left handed. I'd love to have one some day
You think the Bren will drop in price over time?
+Daelkyr
I hope so!
Love me some Vz 2008. Light and handy carbine. Sits right next to my AK.
Do you know if CZ plans to import the Bren 806 anytime soon?
Check out CZ USA's website.
The 806 probably wasn't a typo. The CZ Bren 806 is actually a lighter weight upgraded 805. I would LOVE to see the 806 imported.
PSA had the VZ78 with three magazines for a special about six months ago. It was going for $399.00. I wanted to purchase one so bad, but just did not have the money at that time. Thx for the video. Cheers
The scar is without a doubt the best .308 battle rifle. But... It is without a doubt the most expensive. By a lot. Which is why I will by both an fal, m1a, and 1000rds before I buy a scar
I love my fs2000 too. I think part of the problem is that so many people think it looks ugly, plus for a long time it was selling for 2500-3000 dollars, as well as the fact that it is big and bulky, pretty heavy (especially with the trigger rail), the trigger socks, people are probably unsure about the forward ejection/reliability/clearing jams, and so on.
I swear to god this is like Bob Ross for guns.
Painting targets with happy little bullets. =]
Hickok 45
in Md the vz2008 usually sells for 500-700 very popular here
+TFB TV
Make an attempt to get an Australian Owen SMG for a field strip, review, and the run 'n' gun course
I had an opportunity to fire a dealer sample SCAR17 in full auto. I would NOT choose it for service. Too light, high reciprocating
mass relative to bore center line and stock. And, I do not see where the price vs. construction is a good value.
Hey I just want to say I would love to see your gun collection Alex......
Thank you
These Alexes
Nice try, NSA.
I worked with a Czech Major and he said most of his men want the VZ-58 back. They like the 7.62 more than the 5.56. He also said they want M4s over the 805. But we agreed that people think the grass is greenest on the other side.
I thought it was interesting that no matter the military, there is resistance to change.
Nothing wrong with the majority of civilian owned carbines being AR-15's.
Here in Canada the Vz-58 is hugely popular. We also have the Norinco Type 97 as a popular non-restricted rifle, not sure if you folks in the States can have those though
VZ 58
I'm so glad you listed vz.58.
Why do all new designs have to be so expensive? Its not like they are using different materials than an AR or AK. Cant they release anything under $1000 these days?
You have to understand why AKs and ARs are cheap. Basically everyone from S&W, Windham weaponry, Springfield armory, and many other manufacturers imported or produced AR and AK rifles.
Other rifles are produced specifically from their company. You cant find CZ 805, F2000, AUG, Tavor, and other rifles produced by other manufacturers.
And also, they cant compete with the AK and AR, which dominates US rifle market.
I first subscribed when you guys hit 50,000. It seems like you added 150,000 really fast. Congratulations!
+Jim Weirdo
Thanks Jim, it has been quite a journey!
+TFB TV
Yup, I looked back at your videos. I saw the one with you guys clinking beer bottles. That was right around when I subscribed. Not even a year later, and 150'000 plus! Again congratulations!
Why do you have to do Paperwork for a SBR?Sorry I am from Refugeemany.
Federal Restrictions
MrIloveoldschool But sorry...this law doesn't make sense for me...
+IH - MTXRGU it doesn't really make sense for any of us.
The law came about in the 30's, when the average American only used firearms for sporting (hunting) use and recreational shooting was completely out of the question. That being said, the government believed that there was no sporting use for short barrel shotguns or rifles and if someone had one, then they were a gangster and needed a small, short firearm to be able to conceal it in a coat. Thus, they made them illegal to have without registration so they could take suspected criminal into custody if they were not able to pin any other charges on them.
The law is antiquated and stupid. People from every walk of life can now afford to shoot recreationally at a range, and 30's era gangsters are not much of a problem. Combine that with how accessible handguns are now, and the law is bullshit that needs to be repealed along with the entire NFA
I'm sure many people shot recreationally back then...But without adequate hearing protection I'm sure it was more limited hence the popularity of gallery type firearms....But during the depression it may have been too expensive for the layman to be able to afford it back then since they were barely able to afford food...And after the first world war I'm sure plenty of people had no stomach for firearms especially not military style firearms...I think that's another reason why the bans were allowed to happen...Now after the most recent wars, Most of us Veterans adore the weapons we were issued, I never thought of owning an AR-15 until I was ready to medically retire out of the Army...That's part of the reason why AR-15's and AK's have become so popular...
+GrOuNdZeRo7777 Dangerous Things Channel the only people that shot recreationally were the upper echelon with spare money, it had absolutely nothing to do with "hearing protection". For gods sake, you can wad paper into your ears and make good enough ear protection. Cartridges were expensive, and were in limited supply. World war 1 had no more effect on people's preference on firearms than today's wars have, just like you described. Some had bad experiences, some didn't. Think of how many 1903's ended up sporterized and 1911's came home for protection. You make the people scared over an issue (crime) and there can be no surprise why they passed the laws with no real issue. Look at prohibition
I bought the full length 805 Bren and I couldn’t be happier with it. I couldn’t justify the Scar’s price, and no local gun shops had any ACR’s (a rifle that has been on my wishlist for years). Fortunately the 805 has the cosmetic look of both to a degree, enough so that all I need to do is swap out the atrocious buttstock for an ACR stock and adaptor and I’ll be the happiest camper. The Bren is gonna stay in my collection permanently. There’s nothing that would make me part with it.
i love my scar 17 ! my wallet hates it :D
Great video, it's fun to hear you talk about guns.
I live in a country that has EXTREMELY tight gun control. (The guns(even air guns/air soft) have to be kept at the range only and it cost $3000 to register as a member of the rifle association with a $300 annual fee and even non firing replicas needs registration of your social security number.
I just got snap cap dummy rounds to play and fiddle with when I'm bored and what surprised me now seeing these guns is how small 223 ammo actually is because when I see it on TH-cam and in the movies, it looks much bigger that in real life.
what do you think about the martial law stuff going around?
+a dumb name
Didnt see any signs of it on my morning commute.
+TFB TV well supposedly Obama wants to go into martial law to prevent the election
+a dumb name that Sounds very fishy Do you have any sources
+Josef Steinlechner yes bit just go to Google and search up Obama martial law 2016
+a dumb name aha
This is an exceptional gun channel.
VZ 58 in Canada is $3500 and magazine pinned to five rounds is $100
Uh no there around the thousand dollar range
I really wish I was able to afford the CZ 805, but you are absolutely right. I built my Aero Precision AR15 for only 700 total and an Aero AR10 for only 900. I waited for sales and was really able to get the most bang for the buck. Now I can actually save up for an Eotech with G33 Mag or a Trijicon ACOG and still be under the pricepoint of a single CZ 805 or SCAR 17
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Good lord, that STGW 57 is so ugly.
Well, it is popular, but we dont want it to be popular.
the only thing that sucks for the VZ is the fact that it comes with an R22 compliant trigger that only has one disconnector. that causes the infamous Gremlin because the bolt will pass over the disconnector without engaging it. stock VZ trigger from Czechoslovakia had two disconnectors, one for semi one for fully.
a Czech made vz85 clone for more then 1000 dollar is ridicules I got my cz bild 858 tactical for 275 euros new in the box whit cleaning kit and 3 magazines
Why do they ridicule themselves?
I'd say the hk417 is a solid rival to the scar. Used the '417 in sf and it was a beauty
Love my ACR
Here in Czech Repuplic a vz 58 costs about $500 from the CZ factory. Full auto variants are even cheaper, but you need a specific licence for that.
Am I the only one who thinks the FN F2000 is a terrible gun? it's bulky, feels awkward, doesn't have many options for attachments, I hear the trigger is terrible, and clearing jams is like performing open heart surgery. I think it's overrated.
Great video and I agree with those selections. How about a runner up video of the top five that didn't make the cut for this video?
High quality vid! Thanks
If the SCAR wasn't so ugly, I could probably get on board.
yall are crazy
What! Ugly! Are you crazy? It is the most beautiful gun on the market.
Function over form
The Gentleman Different strokes for different blokes. I think Jay Kae says it quite well "Function over form". I think my 1911, Nova and Model 70 are beautiful, but that doesn't mean others think the same. Just like people disagree on what is 'art' when we speak of paintings. Just my opinion solely based on my preferences.
+Jeremy Madsen I understand that, however I was not commenting on the functionality of the SCAR, I was simply commenting on the fact he said it was ugly.
I wish KAC was still working on that "Gatmalite" AR Upper kit, looked promising as a way to solve barrel overheating, but it just disappeared... Could you imagine it in an LMG configuration? Would be years ahead as far as continuous fire support goes...
The city I worked for purchased 10 FN FS 2000 for their SWAT team back in 2010 and they still have them.
Always love the videos. Great job guys. Best of luck!
Its nice to see Czech guns like VZ 58 and Bren get some appreciation. Most kids only know AKs, even in Czech itself, its not known alot, sadly.
definitely liking all the Top 5 videos being uploaded
subscribed. This is the second video of yours that i really agree with. I like the way you think, sir!
Love the list, I would like to see all the B&T products from the USW through APC 556 get more popular. They suffer from the price point as well, but are of better quality and build than the SCAR. On the cheaper end The MCaRBO or M series Sub2k is another that should gain more popularity as it is unveiled. The upgrades from Mcarbo straight from the manufacturer make these guns shine and really outperform any similarly priced ar9, ak9, ruger pc carbine, and others. Watching the shooting team win competitions and then them letting me handle their guns, was amazing. Something I will add to the collection as it deserves a spot.
love the cz58 and the new Bren. gr8 video Sir.
Super excited to see your 805 Bren SBR!! Excellent decision picking one of those up, btw... I mean, the thing is basically CZ’s version of the SCAR-16 but costs HALF as much (even AFTER the SBR conversion)!! Who can you say no to that?!?
Not a lot of people seem to remember the AR18. Its like a stoner 63 but it has a sleek design. I own one with a wood furniture. I have used this rifle for so many years with a g3 and fal appearance as well as looking as a galil while being a little stoner 63. I have an assault version of the stoner 63 so I hope armalite can release this weapon. They are planning to have it released. I like the AR180 and glad it made a comeback for the ar18.
VZ58 is a fantastic rifle and pretty affordable. i've use it one months ago here in Italy, Same thing for CZ Bren, i love it
I remember years ago paying 2400 all said and done for my new SOCOM 2 with full length cluster rail. (This was pre controversy) Still have it and love it.
Hard to get me to buy something 3x as expensive as my AR that doesn't offer me a substantial increase in performance. Some of these platforms may be incrementally better, but nowhere near enough to justify the cost. So like you said, until they can get the price down on all of these, ARs and AKs will dominate.
Great video!
I always wanted a Massada but sadly it is not on the list of Semi-Auto guns allowed in my country.
The Scar is very popular, they just are impossible to find! I drove 2 hours to get mine. The shop had it but wouldn’t ship.
Great Video! I'd love to own a SCAR but like you said @ 3k it's just too much. The FS2000 has been one of my favorites for a while. I think the combination of lack of marketing + none tactical aesthetics is what contributes to it's lack of sales.
I still think the ACR has so much potential. Remington Defense, which is basically non existent now, developed several awesome variants of the ACR. If a new company bought the design or if Remington or Bushmaster worked on the ACR and its aftermarket accessories I think it could be one of the best "AR-style" rifles on the market.
This is a great list. I either have or want all of them. Thanks