Is Faker's $500 Ahri skin reasonable? / MASSIVE changes to pro LoL - Summoning Insight S7E21
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- MonteCristo and Thorin discuss controversy around Faker's Ahri skin for the Hall of Legends, changes coming to the LCS, Fearless Draft in the NACL and LPL, roster moves at Dignitas and Shopify Rebellion, how the Esports World Cup has affected pro teams' marketing exercises during LGBTQ+ Pride Month, and more!
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Summoning Insight is the longest-running, most viewed League of Legends esports podcast in the world. Each week, hosts Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles and Duncan "Thorin" Shields break down the most exciting matches from LEC, LCS, LCK, and LPL as well as interviewing professional players, coaches, casters, and journalists from around the world.
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This episode was filmed on June 5th, 2024.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:11:04 - Faker Ahri skin controversy
0:39:54 - Esports World Cup & LGBTQ+ Pride Month
0:54:02 - LCS changes
1:18:44 - Fearless Draft
1:39:27 - LPL format changes
1:47:07 - Dignitas & Shopify Rebellion
1:57:02 - Discord Subscriber Questions
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BetterHelp timing is atrocious because its being investigated for allegedly selling patient medical data for advertising purposes. Which, if you're a licensed therapist, is grounds for getting your license revoked and company sued.
Bh has been known to be foul for years. They just upped their marketing budget the past two years to bury it
thank you, I came to the comments to warn folks. They DO sell your medical information for advertising purposes. And they have slowly removed the wording in their ToS that implied your data was safe with them.
Ty for informing folks
Since both Monte and Thorin love to praise themselves for always telling the truth and never making the waters muddy im curious to see if they will react to this information at all or even tell the truth about the situation.
idk the sponsors are getting worse every sec.
3 episodes ago Monte is dropping that u "Dehytrate" if u trink tabwater so u need to buy subliments which is just stupid
Yo, talking about ethics and promoting Better Help right after that is not cool. Background check your sponsors...
Lol, true
Actually an embarrassing L from the boys
i respect the hustle but i don't like the betterhelp sponsorship, only reason i'm saying it is because i feel obligated to give feedback on your show (love SI and LFN)
i'll still watch, just not too happy
Cry about it
@AssortedFacts should we say that every time thorin & monte bring up the Saudis?
@@vaderbuckeye36 yes
@AssortedFacts so we should just not say anything when the things we love are supporting and associating with bad actors?
@@AssortedFacts yeah, those who dont like better help sponsor should stop giving comments, just stop watching all together so you don't look like 'crying', I am sure this is the best for this channel, and the likes of you.
Better help, really? Like I'm going to watch the rest of the video but that company is scummy and not worth your time.
why I always question these guys. I like their show but this sponsorship is another sign that makes me wary.
They might not have known, I certainly didn't.
@@tempname4039
Literally under every video that has them as sponsors there is a comment or two who are pointing it out and its upvoted
@@tempname4039I didn’t either, but surely they should be vetting their sponsors
@@tempname4039 They either know or they don't vet their sponsors. Either way says a lot.
I dont know much about Better Help, I see a lot of people shitting on it in the comments. But I do know that was the most awkward ad shoutout I've ever heard from Monte.
it almost felt like they realized how shitty betterhelp is after signing the deal and now they are obligated to do the sponsorship
@@rumbleroar2 fr, it felt like Monte tried to keep it as short as possible while fulfilling certain points that are probably on the contract
L sponsor, "we only take on sponsors we genuinely use and like" 🤔
Petition to have an SI or LFN Hall of Fame that is updated every year. One mega episode (or divided into several) with guests talking about the greatness of each entry to start it out. A new episode after Worlds each year. Short introductory video of the plays of each entry. I would love that as a celebration of the best/most iconic League players!
That double dip of sexy skin to support women while paying the 100mil fine out of sales of it would be peak gruesome. Luckily we had Thorin on the light side for this life :D
The betterhelp sponsor is such a fail, outspoken against by some very serious youtubers literally in the recent few months
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: No
Long answer: Fuck no lol
22:15 Faker actually has a driver's license and he drives a car (IIRC, it was from his old BMW sponsorship). He sometimes takes his old teammates out on a drive or to go eat hotpot. His current teammates also mentioned in a few T1 vids about Faker driving a car, and there was in fact at least one T1 vid with Faker vlogging while driving a car as he's going somewhere.
Monte is absolutely spot on with the entire PlayVS debacle, Riot completely killed any interest at the high school level by implementing such a horrible program in the first place. It should ALWAYS have been free for the schools, and I hadn't even realized that Riot had invested in PlayVS prior to the exclusivity deal, which makes the entire thing all that much scummier. I personally know a couple people who started a company called High School Esports League back before the whole deal came about, and they were able to grow it into a $100 million business connecting high schools and colleges together to provide STEM scholarships for players. Of course, when Riot implemented the PlayVS deal, they were forced to stop running anything related to LoL, which is very unfortunate as it was their favorite game and the entire reason they started the company to begin with. Perhaps if Riot had been more intelligent in the way they marketed their product to a younger generation, the LCS and honestly the NA server as a whole wouldn't be in the state that it's in.
Fuck Better Help
It's really unfortunate they've gone this route. There were a lot of crazy characters in the early days of League -- before Riot closed their irongrip on the scene -- who were rotated out quickly but could have been sort of honorably mentioned in a true celebration of the history of the game. And then there's the idea players like Diamondprox won't even be on the radar of this Hall for years and the whole thing is a fucking sham. When LFN finds the funding, I'd love to see real Hall of Fame content.
Dam better help even infected the boys. GG
49:36 classic Thoorin interrupting Monte haha
This one was egregious 😂
It's hilarious you've given a timestamp when it's the whole podcast.
Have Shaq's team be Weight Loss Gaming
Its funny to imagine that Thorin single-handly keeping someone employeed at Riot bc of how often they have to update his dossier XD
This was an excellent episode. I especially loved the discussions around the Faker skin and fearless draft. Cheers.
Yeah liquid IV is in stores now in the UK got some recently to try :)
The funniest part of the $430 ahri skin is she has a voice line when you buy items from the store that says:
"Wait ’til the Demon King hears about these prices."
Talk about irony.
I thought it was bad enough that this episode had a BetterHelp sponsorship but then they're also pro NFTS?!?
Slightly funny to see Thorin's total deadpan reaction to the therapy sponsor lol.
sad part is, there will be idiots who will buy these and call others broke, while being the literal definition of greater fool theory.
Take a shot every time thorin interrupts monte
YOU DIED
Better help sponsor is scummy.
Esp in esports imo
Why? Genuine question, are they a bad business?
Since people really kill themselves in esports
Are Monte and Thorin going to claim they use this sponsor too? The fact that Monte tries to bs us that he uses HelloFresh LOL.
@@georgeconnolly6403 they sell your data and use unqualified therapists
19:45 best onwards 40:19 pride before the Fall 47:40 2:04:50 dune 7/10 ohhh 2:22:25
In Canada, and ordered some liquidiv, but the code doesnt seem to work on the Canadian site
Here's the thing, I've spent a few hundred bucks on League (which is ok over 10 years for entertainment) but then a Chinese company requires kernel access to my computer and I have to uninstall (because I have half a brain) and it's gone.
Who says what they're going to do after I (don't) drop $500 on a skin.
I'd have to set up my router to have a dedicated league machine to not have access to the rest of my LAN to play this game. Nah.
Nice job! You really stuck it to those evil Chinese by not playing a game! I'm sure there's no other governments or companies that already have your super important (((((data))))).
Thank you for the episode! ^__^
My first draft of greats in chronological order would be like this one per role:
Flame
Diamondprox
xPeke
Weixiao
Madlife
Nice
Hell no
Top lane has to be Smeb I would think. I could see people trying to make an argument for Impact or Khan. I would also probably argue for Xiaohu in mid first, xPeke peaked early but Xiaohu has been near the top for a while.
@@squeektheweek6949 Yeah so as I said this was specifically for chronological order. That means you're essentially saying no one before xiaohu or smeb desserves a spot at all.
I would probbably put smeb as the top laner in the 2015-2017 draft. But the reason why I put xPeke is cause he is essentially the first 'Great'. And flame is cause he was so defining to toplane. Unfortunatly, I've done alot less looking into the 2013-2014 era due to lack of interest. The ones from that time that stand out are faker, pawn, rookie, Deft, Rekkles, Uzi.
@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 fair point, I may have not thought the chronological part through... I done goofed. Sorry.
Team name: the Thooorin Shields.
Im sorry but this conversation about fearless and how it "changes the skillset" and suddenly they have to play 20 instead of 10 sounds a lot like when we went from 3 to 5 bans
On the streamers "Legends League" idea, just look at the recent majorly successful two Tekken 8 Sajam Slams featuring new players learning and playing a famously difficult fighting game (like LoL is viewed as difficult).
Community run, brought in sponsors, personalities and stories to follow.
Long time watcher, first time posting. Love the work! Came to post for the first time about how I’m happy to see a psychology sponsor, but saw the negative comments about the recent data selling investigation. Hope they get around to it
I wish Monte had more time to finish his points.
You had me at Pool Party Ahri in a Bikini!
Monte based as fuck for putting his kids into Korean preschool. They won't realize it til they are full grown adults but I promise one day they will be extremely grateful to him for it. I know I'm grateful for my parents forcing me to learn.
Any good preschool would do, but if you throw your kids into any basic school you are gambling.
making ur kid burnt out ar age of 21
@@Rayon811 well fortunately for them, Monte will be pulling them out before then
@@Rayon811I can speak Portuguese, Spanish, and English fluently and I barely remember being annoyed at having to go to the classes.
Have you considered that you might just be jaded that no one believed in you enough to push you to achieve greater things?
@@doloran- that's a pretty shitty thing to say to someone you don't kknow. Sounds like you were lucky to have good parents, not everyone is
56:30 Actually I am one of that people that don't play League anymore (since season 7) but I still watch it ;) But I get it that there is probably not many of us :D
Catching up but a question for monte, given the conversation with the MSI conversation: do you feel the broadcast-based interruptions are lessened by the idea of how shit riot is within the scope of...perhaps...not lesser casters, but somewhat relative to your experience of eating time in a broadcast? I've followed your work for over a decade and always respected your and Duncan's perspectives. Are we losing time as an audience by for asking you time to fill it, or is it a product of new technology?
(I come from playing sc2 semi-pro and those mlg's were rough -- shouldn't riot have done better by 2013?)
Thorin going off on Mark Z's statement from 1:04:28 was the best. Also the digs at the NA Celebrity League and the sporadic Brandon Sanderson flame. P Diddy's Lost Boys oh no
Isnt betterhelp scam?
Good episode besides better help ad and markZ stuff mark is just trying to make the best with what he’s got if we are honest he can only do so much. I’m sure he is just trying to keep lcs afloat at this point.
this LPL format is great and chinese version of fearless actually also looks good
WHAT ABOUT THE EG FILES??
WE BACK!
I skipped the BetterHelp ad read
Monte thinks of himself as an intellectual but asks stupid shit like: Why would you want a fox-girl bikini skin?
so to be an intellectual you have to appeal to disgusting losers?
For me, it's clear that "The Fox and the Grapes." fable is happening here.
There's been a lot of people speaking that LLA will fuse with LCS next year. Dunno about CBLOL tho
Lol I’m pretty sure faker went and got his license just cause he was given a car from their sponsorship to shoot content in.
Would be sweet if there was a Xpeke Kassadin skin
They should just do Fearless draft for 4 games, then game 5 is blind pick.
Owners - Thorin and Notorious B.I.G.
Team Name - If people don’t know, now ya know.
On the topic of challenger league and streamers, you know who is doing that? CBLOL! Baiano now has a team in CBLOL Academy and just broke the record of viewers for Academy regular season
the pheonix socks
"Kim Jong Un" 💀💀💀💀
39:50 pool party draven is already in a speedo
Being forced to pick 10th best jungle champions? Phreak would love it! :D
I have been working my way through the podcast while I can and came up to the BetterHelp ad read. I am thankful that many others have already spoken out about them. I will let them do their own research and just say I am not interested.
Baiano (brazilian streamer) has an academy team in Brazil
16:33 sure but how many maps are there in cs as the comparison (i don't play im legit asking) cs doesn't need more bans. don't disagree with thorin that there are a bunch of negatives. but at the same time league does need more bans, 170 champs is getting too crazy and if we added more bans at the start of the pick ban becomes too long. there is no perfect solution to this, and fearless is something to at least try and pray we somehow end up in a decent format mb not this exact one sure
1:10:55 the R Kelly PISSLOWS
Very confused/surprised Brandon Sanderson is catching strays. He's one of the biggest fantasy writers nowadays, so I don't get the disdain + pretenting to not know his name thing. Is it just because of his association to Travis?
Here is how Riot ends up selling the LEC to ESL to fans.
Winter finals is in Kato
Spring finals is Cologne
Summer Finals in Riad.
All huge stadium events in cities and countries ESL has massive ties too and can rent out for cheap, and suddenly LEC is back to lan finals.
Meanwhile in the LCS, we get Dallas, New York, or one of the other ESL venues for them to use. And they can loop it into their CS/Dota circuit.
I was happy until I saw the price tag, this is insane, they know this game is primarily played by teens and poor college students.
Here after NA, LLA and CBLOL merge announced
the problem is not just brazil viewership, portugal enters in the mix witth that, portugal is not large, but portuguese languese, is helpig alot Na
No play while Vanguard stays
So funny actually that faker doesnt use skins himself, would be like michael jordan playing barefoot his whole career
KFC costs more in LATAM and South American countries
Lose the better help sponsor please. They have a really spotty history
Peak flame on Camille
Liquidiv is dope
ah, riot pulling an apple lol
THANK YOU GUYS FOR TALKING AB THE 500$ SKIN TERRIBLE IDEA
I woulda loved 2 ahri skins for the year but no...1 is ridiculously expensive to get the version with the damn signature, and the other is not even ahri. THIS COMING FROM A GUY WHO WOULD ONLY PLAY THOSE IN ARAM CAUSE IM A TOP LANE MARKSMAN/TRYNDAMERE/MALPHITE PLAYER AND I ALSO LOVE ORI BUT GOD DAMMIT RIOT LET THE MAN PICK THE DAMN SEXY FOX GIRL
to be fair... bikini fox girl is fire
😂
W episode (I haven't watched it yet, but I've seen enough episodes to say this out of the gate)
There Is a world that Madlife doesn't get to the hall fame because his skin because it doesn't make that much money
Rare miss from Thorin on overlap between Sanderson and League enjoyers, i think there is room for something there (3 out of 4 YA in my family are in that group for example). Not for NACL tough nobody is watching that :D
As an average pleb I do have a bit of mixed feelings about the part where monte talks about how league is balanced around normie play not like dota where allegedly it's proplay focused. I stopped playing couple years ago because I felt Riot doesnt give two flying fucks about your average player experience anymore and game is now balanced around proplay. That's what it felt like and still feels like when I listen my friends who still occasionally play and rant on voice call.
I think it's more that Riot just has no direction and has no idea what they are doing. They are not doing good job balancing it around plebs & they are not doing good job balancing it around proplay. Just incompetence. Dota probably just has better people at the helm.
Between the better help ad and the Brandon Sanderson slander just because they dont like Travis this was one of the worst episodes the show has had all year. I understand if youre going to just shit on "celebrities" getting involved (even though it literally cant hurt at this point) but just shitting on his work as if hes writing teen romance novels when hes one of the biggest fantasy authors in the world right now is just wild coming from these 2.
No its insane to charge $500 for a skin the problem is idiots will buy it and the companies will think its fine to charge that much
2nd person should be Rookie.
Funny cause my highschool team won championship out of 17 states on PlayVS and they wanna make LCS but nobody will mention that cause MonteCristo shit on their dreams. Thanks pal!
Did y'all just call Brandon Sanderson a shitty pulp fiction author 😮
akshually faker has a drivers license as of 3 years ago according to social media posts of T1 members
Waiting for the LeChoke'vy skins where LeBronze James shows up like Zed and chokes Chovey. I'd pay serious $ for that.
Most people wouldn't care about shady sponsors if you guys weren't so anal about your superiority complex and evolved ethics. Monte is a shill but honestly didn't think thoorin would be too.
At what point are the teams just going to sue Riot for all the lies and ways they stole money from them?
16:30 Not all hall of fame people are faker. They don't all need this level of activity. Thorin opening his mouth without thinking..... again..
faker got a char last car he had it was a bmw they gave him when he got his drivers licence
The two Korean teams that collapsed internationally
Samsung Ozone 2013
Gen G 2018
I got you Thorin, the new NACL league team: The Tatertots, team owned by Andrew Tate, cuz thatd be the most Riot timeline
They did this $450 skin for all the wrong reasons.
Froggen Anivia skin when?
I know every other comment is bringing this up and you guys are contractually obliged at this point, but Better help? really? who is even doing sponsor research?
It's so easy to look stuff about that company.
Honestly.
Speaking about integrity and being good at dowing their research and they couldn't do a 5min search.
Fearless draft is just an excuse to not fix their shit game.
i will and have to admit I love your show and your content. But im also one of the reasons riot could release a pool party ahri skin and would make lots of money of it. Guilty 🤣🤣🤣
Edit: not buying a 500 dollar skin tho wtf is that