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- Will expensive pedals actually make you faster, or is a waste of money...In this video I pit the Logitech G29 / G920 vs Fanatec Clubsport V3 vs VRS direct force pros....watch to find out which set of pedals is the best set of sim racing
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Great video! It would be really helpful to get a video on best positions to mount the VRS pedals (angles, seating position etc.)
Rig vs table, full ffb on a DD wheel and have some laughs
cheaper vs expensive seats. Does cheap car seat is worse than expensive simracing ones
This is a really good comparison. Surprised you didn't use the fanatec csl pedals though. I think those pedals are actually a nice set of pedals.
There is always that one kid showing up out of nowhere kicking your ass with a keyboard while you waisting so much $ on all this equipment😅
Yeah but having nice equipment makes it more fun, video games are about fun
I stumbled upon this video and I am super impressed. Great comparison, great explanation, and super great information. When I started racing, less then 1 year ago, I had entry Thustmaster pedals and in first month bought new pedals. The pedals are load cell and make a HUGE difference. Sent this to a few friends who are just now trying to get into Sim racing. Thanks for explaining what I was unable to articulate.
I would like to see you compare triples vs VR headset
Thanks so much Adam for the kind comment! I'm glad you found the video useful! Load cell pedals are a game changer! Do stick around for more, and I'll add that to the list :D
production quality is great with your vids.
Thank you for your feedback, it rly helps making a decision easier
This channel is really underrated, but I'm sure it's only the beginning. Thanks for the vid!
Trying to do all my research before I start purchasing you sir earned a new follower you’ve popped up twice so far in my searches
I went from G29 pedals to those fanatec pedals and it does feel better and i am able to be more precise on them compared to the G29 pedals. Had to upgrade my platform as the force needed to apply brake pressure was moving the rig under braking lol. Better feel, more consistent for sure although i never tried the g29 pedals with the cushion hack.
Very nice comparison!❤ I have thrustmaster t-lcm's with after market elastomers and after market rumble motors. They feel good, but better pedals are my next upgrade. ❤
Loved those pedals when I was in the Thrustmaster eco system. Wondering about the rumble mod? Do you have a video/site link?
@@giogamer4825 Google Sim-3d!
I have the VRS pedals. Jumped from logitech G923 pedals to them. Took over 2 seconds off my laptimes in my first practice session using them 😂. Honestly they are class! They aren't expensive either tbh. Not when you compare them to other pedals of the same quality and performance. Must have pedals these if you care about being quick and consistent.
2 seconds off a Laguna Seca lap or 2 seconds off a Nordschleife lap haha?
I have a Logitech G27 pedals + wheel combo (300€ as new). I've had them for probably ten years now. I've always driven with just that, never even tried anything fancier. I wanted to see what time I can do with the Dallara F3 around Brands. I had to buy the F3 since I didn't have it. I managed to do 1.17:53 after 16 laps. It's still not super fast - there's a video from Craig's Setup Shop where they do a 1.15:5. I am planning on upgrading to Fanatec or Moza very soon now that I upgraded my PC and monitor, though I am still missing a proper sim rig (it's on the list). It will be interesting to see what the upgrade does to my lap times and especially consistency, since that is the biggest problem I have right now.
Great comparison. Dont you miss the rumble of the V3 on the VRS?
Thks for the good info 👍💪
I just upgrade my setup from g29 to gt dd pro + v3 pedal in end of Jan ‘23 and loved it! But I just understood the preload on V3 brake just last week! It changed my world even further!
so v3 it s better ?
All pedals have a learning curve. I think, unless you're an alien, you'll need a period for adjusting to any new pedals no matter how good they are
What you said in you conclusion about enjoyment is my main worry. My frustration to enjoyment level is getting way out of whack. I don't need to be the fastest guy out there but I would like to see hours of practice amount to more improvement that I am currently getting.... and yes I have seen the various track guides and such but am unable to duplicate the results. I am no noob either I started sim racing back with NR2003. Forget about new pedals I may have to retire the ones I have before I drive myself crazy with this stuff
Nice vid. Make a comparison with moza and thurstmaster T3PA.
I also live in Australia and recently got the VRS with the exact same pedal plate, same spacing of the pedals, red spring etc. Great minds and all that jazz
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Haha
How are you getting on with the pedals?
@@TheCarDoc1 I almost forgot, I am also using a GT Elite :D Only mine is the standard one and you have the lovely blue Ford one. The pedals are amazing, I came from using the Thrustmaster TLCM so its a massive step up. I swapped the spring before even putting them on and I have slightly reduced the accelerator travel and adjusted the pedal plates but other than that I am still really kind of bedding them in and then will start playing with the tie rod and the preload etc. How about you? Have you made a lot of adjustments?
First off, great content as always. I have a question regarding the logitech g pro pedals. Where would you rank them between those 3? Thinking about buying the bundle. But not sure about the quality of the pedals.
Are you just starting off buying a wheel or are you relatively experienced? If you are starting off, they are plenty good enough for anything you might need to use them for, then when you get more and more hardcore, you can start upgrading. as for the quality of the logitech pedals, I have heard it is quite good, i mean obviously the base is plastic, but the pedals are metal, my friend has them, and he says they do what they are made for without any problems, hope i could help :D
Still rockin' a G27, but a TOTAL rebuild is in the works...have you done any inverted(hanging down) pedal tests?
I’m very interested in these pedals, but seem hard to find right. I noticed yours has the paddle tray, but haven’t seen the pedal tray advertised with the pedals. Did you buy that separately?
one of the best surprises with my thrustmaster pedals was that I didn't have to hurt myself just to get full brake force like with my g29. I'm afraid of getting something new now because my disabled ass really doesn't like a lot of pressure, literally! lol, my hips are just weird after the surgery when I was 12 that's now done with bone putty and no need for invasive life altering bone marrow transplants[they didn't know at the time how long term it was]
I had all this pedals and yes they all made me faster for beeing more consistant. Also I had some issues with the V§ and never regret to buy the VRS.
What base plate is that
Can you use fanatec pedals with a Logitech wheel?
The Logitech pedals are quite decent even for more advanced players, you can even achieve something "similar" to load cell if you setup deadzone properly, but there one BIG problem: those potentiometer are crap.
If you want to play a lot, they will die very quick. They becoming unaccurate and start flickering more and more... Mine has worn after about 9 months of moderate gaming. I have replaced mine with linear position sensors, it was little bit tricky, but now it works much better.
I've have a set of logitech pedals I've been using them for about 7 years and I have only sprayed them twice with inox and have had no problems
I went from a potentiometer set of pedals to the CSL pedals. Ive had them for about 3yrs without any drama.They're relatively cheap and 100% better, and more enjoyable. Do yourself a favor and your FIRST upgrade should be to a load cell pedal. And remember to send it in T1 for the win!
My T-LCM pedals are EPIC. Been using them for 3 years. I win almost every race. So much consistency its insane. Only thing I did was swap the clutch and throttle spring. from factory the clutch spring is stiff and throttle is soft, when you swap them, its SO MUCH BETTER. Easy clutch use, and the throttle gives way more feeling of control with a bit stiffer spring. I LOVE THEM. No need for a fancy pedal set. I did buy some covers for the pedal faces to make them nicer on my socks!
Glad to hear it! I need to try some TLCMs!!
@@TheCarDoc1 Man they are so epic, and for the price, they cannot be beat. A lot of people don't realize they are just as good as any other pedal set, for a lot less money
@@ezpz4659 I went from T-LCMs to V3s mostly because of the angle of the pedals on the TLCMs. Although they can be slightly (very slightly) adjusted, the way the pedals raise and come out towards the user just didn't suit my rig. Both my ankles were hurting after every race, summat I had never experienced. Aside from that, they're a fantastic piece of equipment and definitely worth the price!
Hey everyone, I'm purchasing fanatec kit for for my Xbox. Can anyone with experience tell me which pedal set to get? I'm having very hard time choosing between the 3 pedals. The csl LC pedals can be moded quite easily, elite V2 have no mods pretty much for throttle and clutch ulless spending lots of money on top and the clubsport V3 look amazing and adjustable out of the box but are time consuming to adjust the brakes. Very confusing choice. Thanks in advance
Are any pedals compatible with the g920 on Xbox other than the ones that come with the wheel?
Do you think it's better if I upgrade the pedals to Simjack pro Loadcell or buy a new drift steering wheel and gloves? The pedals I use are Thrustmaster T3PM
g29 allows me to focus on driving not buying gear ❤
1st! Love your vids!!! ❤
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I am missing an "average lap time over x laps" here to compare them.
The consistency part is so important when it comes to comparing these pedals. Way more than the actual peak best lap time and it sadly fell short in this video.
I'm very surprise that you didn't even consider the Thrustmaster T-LCM (load cell) or even the T3PA-Pro in your video
Are you still using the HF8?
need to do testing from most expensive to cheapest and back to expensive
I came from the G920 to the Fanatec pedals with a Simagic alpha wheel. The pedals did make me faster by a lot. Don’t know if the even more expensive brakes are worth it.
You should have the Fanatec CSL elite V2’s in this comparison, the Fanatec Clubsport v3 with bpk are outdated, v2 have much better brake pedal which makes you faster and more consistent than with the v3. VRS are very good but expect not too much difference in lap times compared to the v2’s.
What size are your monitors in this video ?
I ended up getting VRS pedals... have to say I th8ink they're ace, can't see me changing them in a long long time
Yes more expensive pedals with high KG load cells will make you faster also I highly recommend Ricmotech LC27-3 Logitech Load Cell kit for G Series pedals
Just upgraded from T LCMs to VRS and hoping I can find at least 2-3 tenths
I run a g920 with tlcm pedals, the pedals made me maybe 0.5s faster but way more consistent, I’m hoping the wheel is the last peice of the puzzle, currently sitting at 2500irating, 0.5s is the difference between top 10 and top 3
Not necessarily. As long the pedals are progressive within the sim, you can adapt your muscle memory to it and youre good to go. Expensive pedals are made for more realistic immersion but the progression of the pedals in the sim stays the same as with cheaper pedals
The problem I had with logitech pedals is exactly that. They weren't progressive at all. Resting my foot on the pedal would cause up to 60% braking input, whilst the last 40% required much more. I went through a second set that was different again (though they were a bit better).
I then bought a load cell set and the consistency made me "feel" the car so much better, and thus led to faster and more consistent driving.
@@Skidzo19 yep! This exactly!
You can get progressive springs for the logitech pedals and it makes it alot stiffer then the original linear springs
Wrong. As potentiometer breaks rely on position not force, its impossible to have any sort of decent muscle memory. With load cell you will get muscle memory as it relies on force.
However it wont really make you faster, but more consistent.
The biggest difference I felt in pedals was from getting a load cell. People are saying it won't make you faster but more consistent but in my case I could never get trail braking down until I started using a loadcell.
This led to faster laps on almost every track I've ran.
Which pedal plate do you use for the VRS?
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For racing, brakes will help a lot compared to the wheelbase. BUT, where a better wheel base will definitively make you better, is drifting, as sometimes, gear driven shit just can't keep up with the rotation of some cars
True, always have that "problem" with my G29 wheel. But I just aid the wheel by giving it a little push in the direction before I let go. Or just turning the wheel with the palm of your hand.
weeel yes it does, now everyone will say there are pro plays who play on g29 BUT, most of new players dont have clue what are they doing, in that case there are 2 "noobs" ,one have a g29 and the other have a DD wheel, now the guy with DD wheel dont know much but he instantly feel what the car is doing so he cant "correct" his misstakes, while the one with g29 like wheels have mostly only the visuals and feel just vibration that he dont know what are they represent, so DD wheel guy have the advantage...take it like this: 3 kids going to eat ice cream , the 1st one get a ice cubes with little sugar, 2nd one get the chocolate flavor, the 3 guy get the ice cream with 3 different flavors...but there is always a 4th guy who eat the banana split with all toppings whipped cream crispys and cherrys, now you can see they all "can" eat ice cream...so you "can" race with any gear...
You sbould add a loadcell like the mvhstudio one, or the axcsim truebrake to the Logitech pedals and redo the experiment.... Youll be suprised and much cheaper
I had all those 3 pedals in the past.
A better test would be for a Logitech user to try higher end.
I used logitech pedals for years before upgrading
the club v3 pedals are amazing ive been using them for about 3 years now
V3 are trash comapred to VRS! I had v3, HE ultimate, Asetek forte(biggest my mistake!) and VRs is now i use and they are wonderfull! Btw i liked only more Simtags hudraulic pedals of my friend;) so who reads my vomment just save money and get VRS i already spent money and gine through this agony 😂
@@amigoz3201 i don't do racing I do touge and drifting so maybe that's why I like them so much compared to other pedals or just because i took a long time tuning the pedals to where i like them I've never tried any other pedals beside the club sport v3s and other cheaper pedals in the past but for what i do i think i like the v3s the most
edit-I also notice you have many spelling errors - for say "biggest my mistake" instead of using all of your daddies money to get pedals and rant about them online I think you should instead go back to school and get better then a 3rd graders spelling level and also stop using cringey emojis
@@amigoz3201 Cool story bro.
I've been using the new Cammus LC100 Pedals. They are really nice for around the 250$ mark super high build quality but they need a few more spring and rubber options to adjust a little more and they would be perfect.
Are they compatible with Fanatec DD pro?
@@jefersson87 they come with a box that lets you plug them into any USB port if you don't have a Cammus base
@@richeyb7145 Sounds good, thanks!
This video is making me want to buy the VRS pedals so bad. My brain is telling me yes, but my wallet is telling me no.
Great video btw, this popped up as I was doing some research on pedals
They are legit amazing, you won't regret them! My wallet is aching too, but they were worth it... haha
@@TheCarDoc1 buy once.. Cry once.. My man 👍🏻
i was faster with my g920 than i am with a moza setup,200 pound wheel better than a 1000 pound wheel,just my opinion
Second godaamit
second the best?
I thought I would be a Lewis Hamilton with expensive pedals :(
Sorry to burst your bubble :( haha
Immersion = feeling faster
I thought that Logitech used force and fanatec used travel?
Other way around. Logitech uses potentiometers, Fanatec uses load cell. Potentiometers think of as a knob being turned as you press the pedal, it has no measurement of pressure, only turn/travel. On the Fanatec it is measuring a load, or pressure.
Sorry to tell you...but the G29 setup costs $425.00 Aus dollars. I live in Australia
This is bad you can buy Heusinkveld replicas cheaper than Fanatec V3 pedals, or diy for far less
Everything he said is true.
So $900 dollars for 0.9 of a second it hardly seems worth it to 95 % of people. I use a g920 wheel u just convinced me I don't need to waste any more on a new set up
It’s more about consistency. You could drop consistent 1:18.8 with higher end pedals but with a Logitech the results will be wider
Yes, but $300-400 for 0.8 of a second is pretty good value.
Per lap. That’s so significant. But i understand not being willing to drop that kind of money. If you’re doing leagues or want to be competitive in general, 0.9 seconds is massive.
Also, you could opt for SimJacks - high quality without the $900 price tag
0.9 per lap is a massive amount on a 1:19 lap, and that's not even the full picture. If his fastest lap on Logitech pedals was 0.9 slower than his fastest lap overall, that means his other 9 Logitech laps were even slower than that. This also doesn't account for changing grip due to environment or tire wear. Lots of people pay a coach to help them find less than 1 second of lap time.
Kinda
Maybe not faster but you'll be more consistant, you have pro sim racers still using Logitech.
Which pro simracers? Stop repeating this bullshit myth.
why you didn't compare the Logitech G29 wheel using Fanatec pedals or any other good quality pedals? that's what we asked you for. daah anyway! and what about the comparison table you did that's not a real comparison, you are creating a video if that pedals makes you faster and you put in the comparison expensive than other, you need stiffer table, bro come on' !!
People also copy and sell the design of the overpriced pedals, so you can get the same thing without paying for nothing.
DO NOT GET THE G920, the pedals are horrible especially if you do not have a solid full rig to mount it on. Thrustmaster's three pedal set is way better, sold my G920 simply because of the brake pedal having the rubber stopper that makes braking inconsistent.
imho anything past $1000 needs to be hydraulic or motorized, i went from modded g25 pedals to the simagic p2000 pedals and instantly went from not ranking ever to getting a bunch of top tens in rbr. you will be better with better gear end of discussion, make the only bottleneck in your setup your own lack of driving skill and you will improve.
elastomer springs... even fanatec is upfront about calling them springs on their website... meaning it's MORE than just resistance like you're claiming. they PUSH BACK on your foot... real brakes in real cars DONT PUSH BACK they're quite comfortable to press and hold even for long periods of time... springs are the exact opposite of that... they tire the muscles at an accelerated rate.
Ok so you're saying when you release the brakes in a real car, that it will just continue braking?
@@valpodesideromontoya2097 no... i never said that... i said they're not springs... you obviously don't understand an incompressible fluid in a closed system... fluids are not elastic in nature... they continuously deform which is partially what makes a fluid a fluid. BECAUSE it's in a closed system... the enlosure (container of the fluid) forces the fluid to press back ONCE PRESSURE RELIEVES. PRESSURE...FUCKING HYDRAULICS... elasticity vs plasticity .. IT DOESNT PRESS BACK ON THE MUSCLES FATIGUING THEM FASTER. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SPRINGS
@@valpodesideromontoya2097 i guarantee you can't generate enough pressure that it turns into a spring.
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@@valpodesideromontoya2097 this is not what brakes do
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I buy a lot of crap. Like multiple hobby’s …. But I know when something is so nice it’s gonna make the wife start checking my business account to see what I’m spending ….. which I don’t need. (It’s bad). Those VRS pedals are basically a one way ticket to a nightmare with the wife. She would assume they cost 4-5k lol
Hahahaha, this is when you say you quietly replace them and pretend they were always the pedals you had from the beginning
The VRS Pedals are not the best! - There are plenty of Pedal sets out there that are better and more expensive than these. These are only springs and loadcells. All the high-end stuff is Pneumatic and Hydraulic. But as far as a Loadcell and spring system is concerned - These are at the top for quality and feel.
VRS is over priced garbage lol. Look at there cheap ass f1 wheel at $999 now on sale to $750 plus still a rip off 🤣🤣
lol this guy really has no clue what he is talking about!!
Fanatec v3 aren’t $500
And vrs pedals aren’t the best pedals by far and aren’t the most expensive.
Go find a job where you actually know what you’re talking about! Major fail here 😂