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there was also another theory that the IPC follows orobouros of voracity because it said something about how the IPC keeps on taking everything from the planets in a very greedy way and then offer them to orobours I can’t remember who made it though
would it be okay if i bounce off of the “stonehearts being amber sealing propagation aeon” theory to make my own? with credit ofc. i have an idea of how that would connect to genshin too, so i just wanted to ask if it’s okay. if not that’s fine! idk if i’ll actually get around to it tho lol
@@softlyblooming Yeah, go right ahead! I love seeing people expand on my theories (with credit of course) - it's really really cool to see ideas I came up with pop up in fan discussions in different places on the internet :) If you want, I'd love a link to whatever you come up with!
Fun fact: Aventurine mocks the lance of preservation trailblazer, calling it “The architects flawed stone”. Reminder that the recognized group by The Preservation IS the architects.
I will say Aventurine is playing a role there, I don't take anything he said in that scene too seriously. BUT that role he's playing is one that's accepted in the IPC. And we've also seen the IPC scorn the Architects in Belobog. So yeah, yet more evidence that the IPC cares not for Qlipoth.
I'd interpreted that as a comment about himself/ his own cornerstone, aventurine, what with it's history of being sold as jade in scams, and his gambit where he hands in the jade cornerstone as a substitute for his own as a reversal of that which we get told about shortly before that cutscene. "of no value at all" referring to it's cheapness along with his apparent inferiority complex. I thought it was part of his self introduction, but it does make sense that he meant the lance as we were pointing it at him at the time.
@@snowboundwhale6860 Aventurine is not cheap at all, I went to an esoteric shop 2 weeks ago and got a small tumble and it was like 5 or 8 leva 😭 Ofc, I might have been scammed, but at least it was a real one
For sure. Firefly had to sacrifice the other SAM pilots and destroy a world, just to wipe out the bugs where she was fighting. She cried after that. It's a miracle that Firefly just barely survived there, as the SAM suit was removed due to sheer impact of the explosion. Which is why she was nude at the end of the video of her fighting The Swarm. She even was questioning wherever she was alive or not after that explosion she set off with a remote given to her
Another fun fact is that Qlipoth builds walls between worlds preserving and isolating them from one another ... it's not just walls at the edge of the universe but also between the worlds so that just in case Oroboros the Aeon of Voracity can not eat all the planets at once. it servers as the defense line ... Also if one planet becomes effected it does not effects the other planets... The IPC does the opposite of this by connecting worlds whereas the Qlipoth aim is to isolate them from one another to save them from calamity.. So its clear that they doesn't follow thier Aeon
Doesn't count that big of a hint. Galaxy Rangers follow Lan but they don't search to kill abominations like the xianzhou, but all evil, likewise Memokeepers are split between the GoR and Cremators, but both follow fuli despite the latter going against THEIR will
@@darknessknows1235 Yeah you are right .... but in case of preservation i don't think that they follow the path and concept of preservation at all they are just monopolizing everything ,yet they still preach about the ember lord.. the examples you provided stands correct
@@laibanoor5571It's not like Qlipoth is only a defender, what they are doing still fits Preservation with the exception of connecting worlds but that can easily be justified by them not being able to create walls like Qlipoth, and even then, Qlipoth isolates to defend, not to separate
@@darknessknows1235 Please don't give the IPC the devil's advocate, they are far worse than the Stelleron Hunters ever were. Yet we are supposed to treat the IPC as the "good guys" and the "Stelleron Hunters" as villains? The IPC do far more messed up stuff for personal gain. The Stelleron Hunters, despite their huge bounties and kill count, are not doing what they do for selfish gain. They are fighting to get a future that isn't screwed by Nanook. Each Stelleron Hunter may be in the faction to fulfill their own impossible wishes Elio promises to grant, but the end goal is to have a future where the universe isn't screwed by Nanook, and the Trailblazer is a huge factor in that result. The MC has to be the hero for the plan to succeed. You can tell that the MC is important for reaching a good end if you trigger the first secret bad ending of the story that you can only trigger before you board the Astral Express for the first time. In that ending, it's implied that everyone in the Astral Express crew died because you weren't there to help them in the Jarilo VI arc of the story. And the bad ending makes an effort to make you feel bad for your terrible decision
It's honestly too funny thinking that when they say: "All for the amber lord" they don't mean the guy who is MADE of Amber but the mf who is stuck on one
Random headcanon: Second swarm disaster BUT Ruan Mei successfully creates a synthetic Propagation emanator therefore making her the new Aeon of Propagation
Also remember, in this most recent update, Himeko mentioned bringing leviathan bones to Ruan Mei, so what if Ruan Mei is trying to clone Oroboros as well?
@shadowzerthefirst8061 well we do know that Ruan Mei wants to become an Aeon and Propagation does fit her MO. The question is can an Aeon be born from a preexisting path? Thus far we've only seen a path come from an Aeon not the other way around. If she does become the new Aeon of Propagation that opens a whole new can of worms that throws into question everything we know about Aeons, their function, and creation. I can see Hoyo pulling this trick but it's a lot of it happens. I'd be all for it but the implications are already making my head hurt.
She's not exactly propagation though. She's like...recreation or rebirth or something. But we have seen Aeons come from a path, sort of. Nanook is one of the youngest aeons, and he was specifically born because of the destruction the Swarm aeon caused, but we don't know the exact circumstances so it is iffy.
@@RomnilWaterRuan mei wishes to be her own aeon with her own path. Her experiments were trying to figure out why and how aeons were created, propagating is the most simplistic ideal thus most easily replicated, which she did. People often misinterpret her motives of bringing back the swarm, she proved her theory right so there’s no need for the swarm anymore. She’s most likely gonna take it up a notch and create something that breaks the fundamental rules of the universe this transcending to aeonhood.
@@Void-ui8sz It's currently my pet theory that the Stellaron's themselves serve as some kind of catalyst to become an Aeon during the disasters they cause; assuming it's not a mistranslation, at the very start of the game there is a conversation between Kafka and Silverwolf when discussing Zandar One Kuwabara, the supposed creator of the Erudition Aeon, Nous, where Silver Wolf makes a throwaway comment stating that the rumors/legend about Zandar creating an Aeon better be false because she doesn't want to be called a 'Zandar Hunter' instead of a 'Stellaron Hunter'. Welt has previously stated that, while many believe that the Stellarons come from Nanook and are certainly being used by his agents (and seemingly everyone else whom gets their hands on one) to further their own ends, no one knows without a shadow of a doubt where they're coming from or why. There are only theories and suspicions. On Jarilo-6 we can see that the Stellarons are as potentially as dangerous to the Destructions agents as everyone else --given how many were wiped out by the Eternal Freeze - and the will that drives them is not necessarily aligned with the Destruction.
Another interesting thing to note is that while the IPC may not be acting in the name of Preservation, we do know that atleast one of their emanators, Diamond, does draw power from the Amber Lord. If I recall correctly, one of the lines in the TB mission for the 2.1 update talked about how Acheron's blow against the cornerstone-powered Aventurine was somewhat softened by the fact that he was drawing power from the Preservation. Since the cornerstone is a portion of Diamond's power, we can infer that he truly is an emanator of Preservation. I just wanted to remind everyone as this can mean a few things concerning people's theories about the IPC.
See here's the odd thing - there is some implication that the Aeons and the Paths are not intrinsically connected. Like the path of propagation still exists in a pure state while the Aeon theirself is corrupted. The way it's described is the aeon is the being "furthest along the path" so that's really kinda strange and odd and I'm not sure what to make of it.
there's also the fact that IPC is ridiculously big that it's very much possible to have multiple factions in it. maybe diamond is following preservation, but i can't be sure ozwaldo schneider is the same considering boothill points him as the one responsible for nuking his planet and he likely has a hand in how sigonia ended up the way it did. personally, my bet is on a combination of corruption and someone manipulating the direction the company goes.
You were cooking with this one! Just makes so much sense that the "filler" patches actually progresses the main story instead of just being random little side quests.
Yep! I feel like the "Planet patches" are the Trailblazer's story and the "filler patches" are progressing the "villains'" story, and then sooner or later the two will collide :)
20:02 You mean the patch where an IPC grunt unknowingly found himself to be inside the stomach of a Giant Sting, and we learned about the Stings’ abilities to create hallucinations? Probably not as big but definitely somewhat interesting
Hey so, I don't know if you noticed, but... The IPC iconography is heavily into hexagons and gold. Now while gold and amber are basically the same for for this purpose you have to remember... Amber. Amber is not a rock like others. Amber is tree resin. Plant byproduct. It's also very often the color of something else made from plants, Honey made from nectar. This insect connect, along with the hexagon to honeycomb patters You Included In This Video (not gonna find the timestap but it was blue and white) makes the IPC's collection of gold... Incredibly hive like. Like bees collecting honey for their queen. Perhaps regular humans can influence an Aeon enough to change it... But we've seen little evidence of that so it's more likely that this is the Aeon of Preservation holding the concept of Propagation as well.
@@iamemamae maybe use that one rivers of gold clip with opal dropping it from his hands. That deliberate use of gold as liquid is also very interesting, as while can tie into the flow of wealth and commerce it is what also gave me the idea of gold being honey.
7:22 I rewatched that set of cutscenes a little while back and I noticed that Cocolia actually stabbed the Trailblazer with the Architect’s Lance (it was blue and icy though probably because she’s corrupted by the Stellaron).
Mhm! That she did! Then Qlipoth brought the trailblazer back and I assume also purified the lance. Or maybe it was our own trailblazing spirit that does that.
I like this idea. It adds a whole new context to the relationship between adventurine, topaz, and jade. Adventurine seemed to make it a point that while it hurts his position in the IPC, the distruction of his cornorstone was, to some extent, his goal. With former theories, it was simply a way to reduce diamonds power as his way to get back at the IPC. With this new theory you could argue that adventurine is doing what he can to stop the propagating. Correct me if im wrong, but with that in mind and the unwavering trust Jade and Topaz has in him, it gives me this feeling of a group of insiders fighting with extra knowledge. That would make some sense why in the end of 2.3 he seemed to be quite willing to help out boothill because if the entire IPC is corrupt it wouldnt be farfetched if a galexy ranger had come across this kind of information hence why boothill is so keen on getting to the strategic investment devision. Great theory. It adds a lot of potential context to charector motives already in the game without any very clear contridiction that come to mind. You could argue thats also why the stellaron hunters were soo keen on having things go a certain way in penacony as well. 1 stone down potentially 9 more to go.
I agree - I think Aventurine might have some kind of idea what's going on. Either that or he doesn't and he's going to end up accidentally releasing Tazzy with his revenge plot.
Honestly, the Path of Propagation being a separate Path physically attached to Qlipoth isn’t that crazy to belief. The Paths in HSR are … so incredibly flexible, I’ve recently found out that in one of Kafka’s dialogues when you’re questioning her in the Loufu, she reveals that the Path of Propagation used to be part of the Path of Permanence! It’s the complete opposite situation of Order and Harmony, and the reason why this was accomplished is because Tayzzyronth pursuits ONLY Propagation, nothing more, nothing less. Even the philosophy of Propagation is useless to the Path of Propagation. Aeons preside over their Paths, even when an Aeon is apparently incapacitated to some degree, there is no alternative being to preside over that Path. Then we have Qlipoth taking Propagation away from Tayzzyronth, and according to your theory, the Propagation is now corrupting the Preservation, however I wonder if instead … the Propagation enhanced the Preservation? Like I mentioned earlier, Propagation used to be part of Permanence, the Vidyadhara can no longer repopulate, and this is an issue they’ve constantly been trying to find a solution to. (Sorry, can’t help but trying to remember … didn’t Ruan Mei in her Trailer say something about “something something Propagation, Repopulate Permanence” or am I misremembering that?) Propagation was a minor Path of Permanence, but it was extremely vital! In the Path of Preservation, the Propagation should be considered a minor Path of Preservation, and yet … these two Paths have not merged together, the Path of Propagation still persists, which makes me wonder … has the Path of Propagation itself … duplicated? A Path of Propagation for the Swarm, and a minor Path of Propagation that merged with the major Path of Preservation? Now, onto my thoughts about the IPC, I wish to mention right now that … I’m a bit biased towards my thoughts, but I have been proven wrong on several thoughts of my own, so I’m always open to other theories even if they oppose mine. I believe the IPC is one of two things; A Faction of Equilibrium who disguised themselves as a Faction of Preservation, or A Faction of individuals who wish to take control over every Path. I cannot decide between these two possibilities since they both include the thought process that the IPC is taking control over every Path, one possibility suggests they’re doing this because of Equilibrium, while the other possibility suggests the belief that controlling the Paths means they control the cosmos. We’ve always never really mentioned the bad side about Equilibrium, the hardships it guarantees in order to sustain Equilibrium. When we first achieve Equilibrium, it tells us quite plainly that we will receive more rewards, alongside harder enemies. A rather easy form of Equilibrium to keep up with, but what about the more … complicated measures of Equilibrium? HooH is described as an entity whose already spun the web that everything has already fallen into, THEY are inevitable. For such an inevitable existence … why are there Emanators of such inevitability? What is the Path of Equilibrium, and who are the Pathstriders of such a Path? These are definitely questions that should be answered another time, but still rather important to address now and again. If everything is already in Equilibrium, then wouldn’t the followers of Equilibrium do their part in ensuring this remains true? This is how a Faction of Equilibrium was founded, made up of Equilibrium fanatics, however they’d quickly find out that the other Paths don’t really want to be controlled, until they found the IPC, who managed to perfect the Act of Control, so the Fanatics of Equilibrium joined/infiltrated the IPC, and consequently earned the control of Preservation. If you look closely to the IPC of today, you’d quickly notice that they have many ties with other Factions, Xianzhou (Hunt), Garden (Remembrance), Guild (Erudition), Penacony (Harmony), and so on, including the fact that they hide so much information suggests a connection with the Enigmata as well. The only real evidence I have to suggest the inner workings of Equilibrium, is the IPC levels, all the way up to Level 50, which is a number not so suspicious on its own, until you think about the fact that 50 is perfectly 50% of 100 … Equilibrium is the pursuit of keeping things 50/50 (something along those lines). My other IPC theory is the Faction who wishes to control all Paths in order to control the Cosmos. Question, where are the Paths? Answer, Absolutely Everywhere, including Nowhere (thank you Nihility! Love ya buddy!!) in Genshin, the Khaenri’ahns once believed that whoever controls the Abyss, controls the world, well what if that belief made its own way into HSR? (No, I’m not suggesting an in-depth connection between the games, only a similar way of thinking that anyone from both realities could’ve conjured up.) So, whoever controls the Paths, controls the Cosmos. One of the very first Paths they took control of, was Preservation, thus, they disguised themselves as a Faction of Preservation. And I’ve already mentioned the evidence of this control over Paths in my previous paragraph.
That first part there makes SO MUCH SENSE, and actually explains some of the plot holes I glossed over when making this video. Thank you! As for what you're saying about the IPC I like your second theory there - that they're trying to control all the paths. That lines up very well with what I've observed about them.
@@iamemamae always happy to share my thoughts, especially when it helps out another person! Also, I watched the Celestia Myraid video about Ruan Mei again, she said “Dissect Remembrance, Control Equilibrium, Deconstruct Beauty, and Reproduce Permanence.” In the IPC’s potential interest of Controlling Paths, they might soon find themselves looking into Ruan Mei’s research about Controlling Equilibrium, if not already looking into Ruan Mei herself, due to her intent of becoming an Aeon. Now please excuse me while I deconstruct Beauty, and dissect Remembrance before Ruan Mei gets a chance!
I would be SO INTERESTED to hear more of your thoughts on Ruan Mei, I haven't looked into her character directly, but you seem to have spent some time on her.
@@iamemamae Unfortunately, my thoughts on Ruan Mei are rather slim, I’m aware of some facts about her that might raise suspicion, I’m not saying there isn’t anything about Ruan Mei to learn about, just that I haven’t personally looked that deeply into her. My most significant thought concerning her is that Ruan Mei will very likely lead us to some extremely significant lore concerning Aeons and Paths. The likelihood of her becoming an Aeon is … well, it’s definitely a very interesting possibility that is as possible as the developers want it. There’s a chance that … Ruan Mei is a 4th Wall Breaker? In her Character Trailer, we literally see our Gameplay from her perspective, it could’ve consequently be due to us being in the Simulated Universe, so she’s simply seeing a Simulated Gameplay, but … it’s up for some debate I guess?
Well, the Stonehearts MV and even in places during the Penacony arc mentioned they WERE preparing for a war among the Aeons. This information now makes those statements make sense.
I find it hard to believe that the aeon is trapped in the cornerstones cuz aventurine shattering his would have been a bigger deal, like some power from the aeon of propagation releasing or something
Maybe it did, but remember, Aventurine's little adventure happened inside a dream, so while we know it also did shatter in real life do to the recent Myrad celestia, I don't think a "release of energy" like you'd expect would necessarily happen. You make a good point, though.
@@iamemamae I still find it hard to believe because it has been said multiple times that the cornerstones have portions of the emanator of preservation's (diamond) powers to help his 10 stonehearts
@@itsyaboiABG I mean, I'm sure that kind of power is necessary to control and subdue an Aeon of Propagation, though. The stones can't just be stone to keep Them there. They HAVE to have some kind of Power from an Aeon. Also, just because it's the power of an Emanator, doesn't mean the power was put there by Diamond. The cornerstones and the power in them pretty explicitly came from Qlipoth, but we've been told that They gave the stones directly to Diamond - that's what I'm calling into question there at the end.
@@iamemamae well an emanator of preservation's powers are Qlipoths powers or more specifically a portion of the path's imaginary energy. That's why i still find it hard to believe that the cornerstones hold the remains of tayzzyronth as aeon/emanator power is just the path's img energy if you get what i mean (might be speaking in broken English so i apologize for that). But i do agree with some of your points like qlipoth's corruption
Interesting... With this in mind, Obsidian's words in the IPC Myriad Celestia trailer sticks out even more. How she would prefer if things were a bloodbath. And how even the highest ranking of the IPC are split. I wonder, when was the last time the Amber Lord truly gazed upon the IPC like it did for us in Belobog?
Nice theory, as always. But... I believe that, rather Tazzy, I say that the true Aeon that they follow is Ouroboros. If not, why would they block Qlipoth information OR the Dusk Wars info? Also, they got a universal empire, but they still try to, greedily, get even more power and money. And what's the definition of Voracity? The state of eagerness to have a lot of something. That would explain why it is said that Taravan Keane, an emanator of Preservation, isn't even following the Preservation and even having some attitudes that align him to Ouroboros. So... What if Diamond's true intentions are to get more power inside the IPC to do an all-out civil war inside the IPC to reclaim control and re-orient it into the right direction? That would explain why he's going all-out getting the power of the Cornerstones to the 10 most capable people, to get him higher on the ranks of the IPC. Finishing with this, you forgot to mention the Cast Iron Throne, which is a key piece of all of the IPC's power because it can control the universal equilibrium and control the flow of wealth and poverty into the planets. Only three people went into the throne: The two founders of the IPC: Louis Fleming and Qixing, as well as the head Technological Division named De Wayne. To add more fuel to the fire, Qixing (one of the founders) is now in control of the Cast Iron Throne, the whole reason of why the IPC is so powerful economically (by having the power to generate money, thus, being able to be as greedy as you want considering that you can spawn money into your own two hands (I WANT THAT AAAAAAA)) In summary, my theory is that the IPC is more aligned with the Voracity, for just how greedily are getting the money loaned by Oswaldo's team, and Diamond is trying to get as much power inside the IPC to make an internal war to claim IPC's control (likely to get control of the Cast Iron Throne) and head it into the right direction (the Preservation instead of the Voracity). (Sorry if my English vocabulary is lacking) PD: You are the best lore youtuber I've ever seen, and I truly enjoy your content!
See, you're not wrong, but here's the thing - As the swarm expanded, they also took on a key characteristic of consumption, leaving planets absolutely devastated in their wake. This is something we also see with locust swarms IRL. Nothing is left when they finally leave or die out. As for the IPC following Oroboros directly, I actually agree with that too, I just didn't put it in the video. I'm going to make a short about it. Suffice to say, Propagation isn't the only concept corrupting the preservation. The IPC also has ties to a lot of other paths and Aeons, and someone in the comments said it's possible the IPC is trying to "consume" the other paths and bring them under the control of Qlipoth, which is a definite possibility. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! I need to look more into that throne, cause I actually don't know that much about it yet.
Before the video, I expected you'd talk about how the IPC followed Aeon of Voracity (hence the greed and consumption that both parties do). But boy oh boy the evidence you have for your theory is already more than valid. (The IPC and Oroboros connection I said was from Ashikai's video about Aeon Counterparts... if my memory served me correctly) Love the video as always, keep up the good content.
Oh I have THOGUHTS about the Voracity, and let's just say.......it's not out of the question they might follow THEM too. I have a way it makes sense, but there's not as much evidence for it. I'll make a short about it :)
Given Voracity vanished without explanation, if the same thing happened to it as Tazzyronth, then Qlippoth could be both Voracity and Propagation at once, on top of his preservation, and trying to square that circle is how everything is going wrong. The Swarm Disaster conflict is continuing inside of Qlippoth itself.
Except it might not be a conflict anymore. Because the Swarm very explicitly "consumed" everything in its path. Making the two of them ripe to merge with each other, despite their opposition.
STAR RAIL 2.5 SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT . . . . . . . . . . OK SO THIS VIDEO WAS INCREDIBLY WELL-TIMED! I'm still standing by that cornerstone theory btw. We now know that Luocha has PART of Tazzy in his coffin, but as for where the other parts are, them being in the possession of the stonehearts still feels incredibly plausible to me. And Ruan Mei's involvement is VERY important! I'm going to make a video about this, but I found it very interesting how in 2.5, all the factions involved are most concerned about Propagation - the Borisin, the Vidyadhara, and even the Alliance are making concessions to Tazzy in their Godslayer protocol. This is really fascinating how all of this is unfolding. Also, I don't believe for ONE SECOND that the IPC/Intelligentcia Guild was just an unwitting accomplice to the Borisin.
Great video as always. I originally thought IPC might be Voracity but this also makes sense. Also IPC's small Qlipoth's picture looks like a bug's head
Your vidoe is awesome as always! I never really put much thought on the IPC following the Propagation, but after watching the your video, it definitely has merit. However there are a few things I don't fully agree with. The first is about the Trailblazer lance. It wasn't Qlipoth that given them the lance, but the will of the supreme guardian. That being said, Qlipoth did indeed glance Trailblazer way, but I wager that do to the fact that Trailblazer manger to pull out the lance that was wilded by Alisa Rand, the one who Qlipoth had given the lance in the first place. Second is while the IPC doesn't follow traditional way of Preservation, but there a reason why it's one of the oldestest and overall broadest of the paths. In a way, the IPC is preserving worlds by putting everything under it's own banner, in turn preservation the universe under one rule, just as Jade had said. Ofc I agree with you that another path has infiltrate the ipc(Voracity) and I even think that Taravan is one of its Emanator. But like you mention in the video, I'm sure only P-46 and above probably knows this, the rest still think the IPC as a whole server the preservation. Lastly is about the cornerstones. While I do think the IPC has pieces of the Propagation, but I fail to see why they would allow one single Department, especially how relatively young the Strategic Investment Department is compared to the others(It wasn't even there during the first Mechanical Emperor wars). And with the fact that Marketing Development(its rival and the head is the one Aventurine against) would be ever but against them. And if the cornerstones really did contain the Propagation, I'm sure Acheron or the dream master would've sense it during the battle with Aventurine. That and during his trip to nihility, it was the Cornerstone(preservation) that protected him from getting lost. That sounds more like Preservation then Propagation. That being said, this is me defending the Strategic Investment Department and the stoneheart rather then the IPC as a whole.(That and it could be my biased on the theory of diamond reclaiming the Ipc for the preservation…)
Fair enough on the lance, I still think it's a bit nitpickish tho - they got the lance and their fire powers at the same times, one was from Qlipoth, one was from the Supreme Guardians of the past - either way, blessed by Qlipoth. The problem with that second bit is that "putting everyone under one banner" thing is directly counter to Qlipoth's will - he wishes to preserve cultures the way they are by *building walls* and separating people, letting each culture endure, just separately. No matter what way you slice it, they're following Qlipoth only as a front. I do believe that the cornerstones hold the power of Preservation, as that power would be necessary to contain the propagation. So it's possible that the power pf propagation in that battle went unnoticed simply because the power of preservation is overwhelming it, like how the smell of really strong food would overwhelm the scent of say a little flower sitting on the table. There's also the possibility of Diamond and the Stonehearts working to defend the cornerstones so others in the IPC can't try to bring back Tayzzyronth with them? idk there are a lot of possibilities here.
@@iamemamae Yea, I was debating wheater to put the lance part or not, but decided to just do it. Sorry! Btw, this is a bit off topic, I had a simier theory about the Stone. But instead of Propagation, but with Equilibrium. At the end of the video showed Diamond throne and the Stoneheart reaching for it, where not confirmed and completely likely me headcanoning for the moment, is the Cast Iron Throne from Gold and Gear lore. It has strong ties to the equilibrium. And considering the usage of a 'scale' to judge Aventurine which symbolize equilibrium...What if the Concerstone were powered by both the equilibrium and Preservation? OFC, this is totally a headcanon from just two short second scenes and the scale could also be taken as "Order" as well(But since Jade rejected order alr, maybe it still has a chance...) . So similar to your theory of the stone made from the seal of propagation but instead with Equilibrium?(But considering we basically know next to nothing about Equilibruim in the first place, I could totally be overthinking this...)
This is legitimately super interesting! But there were a few things I wanted to mention and hopefully get your thoughts on? - Unless my memory has totally betrayed me, Ena herself didn't seem to be responsible for the Harmony in Penacony being tampered with. The actual culprits were (at least to my understanding) implied to be a hidden faction of essentially, Path of Order Fundamentalists. Its very telling to me that even Sunday, basically the ultimate end product of this group, still freely admits that Ena the Order is dead and gone. That said, the idea that the 'Path' that the IPC is on has been corrupted in someway is definitely still plausible. We know precious little about how Qlipoth ascended after all, and as for a means or method for that corruption, we know that the IPC started to radically alter course after...I believe it was De Wayne first made contact with the Iron Throne. - Very briefly about the "multiplying and intensifying suns" thing, I'm less inclined to take this as evidence of Tazzyronth's power, then instead as evidence of Qlipoth's immense power. If there *is* another Aeon manipulating or affecting this moment somehow, I think its actually Xipe. Causing 'The Suns to Rise' is specifically mentioned as the Third Deed Ena did when establishing the universe in Sunday's poem, and its mentioned a few times in Swarm Disaster that when Xipe ascended and absorbed Ena, multiple civilizations mention their suns blinking out. This leads me to ponder if this act, of 'diluting' ole Tazzy is the entire reason Xipe was born, as if something about this task wasn't possible for, as Jade would put it, two different kinds of Order. - And speaking of Tazzy's dilution - and I can't even take credit for this next part, I'm just paraphrasing part of a much larger theory that Ashikai did about a month ago. But I've recently come to adopt that Qlipoth's Path, like pretty much all of the paths in Star Rail, is at least a 'slight' misnomer. Its definitely Preservation, but Qlipoth's very active and violent transformation and imprisonment of Tazzy would imply that its not 'Stasis' but rather a kind of...loseless exchange of energy. Or in other words, a preventive counterforce to Entropy (which...would make the IPC basically a galaxy sized Anti-Entropy faction-goddamnit). - The final thing that caught me is that Oroboros completely disappeared in the middle of its scrap with Tazzy, and hasn't been sense since. Annoyingly, I'm writing all of this spur of the moment, so I can't find this exact passage again, but I feel *SO* confident that I recall something about the Oroboros seeming to either rise or dive into a vast, black body of water...which, sounds very, *very* similar to how IX and the Nihility is often described...so....I don't really have a follow up to this. I only remember this so strongly because the idea's been stuck in my head for months but I still don't know what to do with it. And that's everything! Um...sorry for hitting you with my insane, mad ramblings. Great video btw, looking for the next thing! ^^)/
- No you're not exactly wrong - Ena wasn't the one who caused the Order to take over. But it's been implied and it's my belief that the beliefs of humans (or halovians) can sort of influence the movements of the aeons - it's my belief that Idrilla merged with Xipe, same as Ena, because people began to view Beauty, not by a strict standard, but as somewhat synonymous with Harmony - and in the same way Order went from being viewed as strict adherance to a system of roles and regulations and more a system in which everyone works with each other without conflict according to their nature. These are ideas which have started to surface in the real world in general in the past few decades, and so it's a logical progression for characters which are meant to represent these ideas. But especially with Idrilla, it's explicitly said (I think by Himeko during the Argenti quest?) that the Beauty was one thing, and then *people began to believe differently* and so the Aeon of beauty began to change. All that to say, I do believe the "lower species" (lower than the Aeons I mean) can influence the Aeons themselves, and although Ena was completely Assimilated into Xipe, the fact that there was a fundamentalist group on penacony basically began to cause a schism within the person of Xipe, so Ena began to sort of "reawaken" or separate herself from Xipe. Sunday's goal didn't seem to be to ressurect her though. It was more like he was going to become an aeon himself (and he almost did it - the "Embryo of Philosophy" was him beginning to ascend). - Of course I'm partial to my own theory about the suns, what you're saying is logical though except for the last part. Xipe was very much alive and active before the swarm disaster, and if my memory serves, was recruited into the fight by Ena. - I like that summary of Qlipoth's nature, and it fits in well with what we know about previous hoyoverse games. Anti-entropy makes a lot of sense. But the IPC isn't following a philosophy of anti-entropy either way. - I'm going to do some more videos about Oroboros, so stay tuned for that - you're not wrong in what you've said there, but there's a lot more to it, I just didn't have time for it in this video. Thank you so much for this comment! It's really good and thought-provoking!
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 I disagree - beauty can be found in bad things, but that beauty is tied to how the bad *harmonizes* with the good, how it brings closure, how it ends cycles, or maybe you're talking about the beauty of even flickering fire or something of the like. Harmony isn't limited to what is peaceful either.
@@iamemamae in Swarm Disaster we see Aha complimenting how good Xipe looks now after absorbing Ena implying that it's not only after Ena was absorbed but also that it either happened recently or Aha hadn't had a chance to interact with them since it had happened but also its fucking Aha so who knows bro lmao oof
Hey Ema just wanna say that you deserve mad props for taking the admittedly complex star rail lore, and explaining it in such a uniquely and funny way. Like every joke in this vid lands and I makes the lore so much more enjoyable!
Lol I didn't expect a random Mumbo to show up here xD And I loved that theory, I'm always impressed how much you cook with those and am looking forward to all the new ones you're coming up with :D
BANGER THEORY another thing i noticed that could lead to this (might've already been mentioned) is the achievement where you get 10+ blessings of preservation in sim uni which just so happens to be called "MILLENNIUM BUG IN AMBER" (though millennium bug means computer error but still)
Yo? I didn't know that? That's a really interesting choice of name for that achievement! It could just be a reference to Qlipoth encasing the bug in amber, but either way, it's so interesting.
I really love this video! Although I overall disagree with the theory as I'm a firm believer that all of those bad things ARE part of Preservation as we truly don't know what 'Preservation' is for Qlipoth, at best we can only come to guesses on what they've done so far but we will never know as we can't ask them. This video was really made well alongside all of the visuals! It's very nice, informative, and not at all boring to watch through! It's amazing! Keep up the great work!!
Here's the thing, I'd be willing to believe you except that it's EXPLICITLY stated in the game that the IPC is going against Qlipoth's ideals of preservation. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! When I was making my own videos dedicated to Aventurine Topaz and Jade, I definitely noticed how much their terrible actions were done with the means of expanding their reach and take stock of everyone on the planets they essentially conquer. I really like your theory on how they're essentially becoming a second Swarm, that's super interesting. The idea that the game is building up its larger narrative in the background is great storytelling, allowing each planet to stand out with own main narrative while simultaneously building up something greater, kinda like how shonen anime like One Piece are structured.
Just this week I connected some dots and thought the IPC could be serving The Voracity. Cause consumerism = consuming = eating = voracity. However, your theory does make sense. The kinda symbiotic relationship between Voracity and Propagation (one gives endless meat to fill the other endless hunger) always amazed me... There ARE links between Jade and the Ouroboros though, so I feel there's more in the IPC than just spreading (The Propagation) currency. Currency means nothing without the people hunger (The Voracity) for things they lack or need (or think they do). This is explored in a side quest in Penacony with that one weapons seller that sold guns to people who had their worlds invaded by other folks she sold other weapons to. She created the demand while also offering the solution. There's also something I saw about Qlipoth being a metaphor for the Principle of Conservation of Energy and how, by diluting the Propagation concept and converting Ena into Xipe, it showed THEY are not exactly about Preserving, but rather transforming without losses - he's pictured as a forger, after all, with a flaming core and a hammer. In this same video I saw that theory, though, it was proposed that Qlipoth fused The Order, The Propagation and The Beauty to create The Harmony (a three-headed divinity). There are clear ties between Ena and the Old Testament God and Xipe and the New Testament God. How it connects with the IPC serving The Propagation instead escapes me. Maybe these two theories are irreconcilable, but I believe both may be onto something... Food for thought. If you don't do it already, I'd suggest you to swap notes with Lalody from Lalody's Lore channel. She called well before (spoiler for current Trailblazing Continuance Mission on the Xianzhou) that Taoran and the preceptors were behind many of the plot holes in the previous Xianzhou arc.
New viewer here from this video popping up on my recommended. I've wanted to learn more about HSR/ refresh my knowledge and this channel is perfect. The editing and overall video quality is so much higher than the 8k sub count would suggest. Thank you for the amazing video.
This theory is absolutely insane, so well put together as well!!! (Also potential leaks spoilers) If the leaks are right, Luocha and his coffin is going to be a PROBLEM
1:55 MUMBO JUMBO SPOTTED i have a few things abt the ipc -the astral express feels like its too buddy-buddy with the ipc -topaz is the ipc's star child, she's seen that they can do good and genuinely believe in their ability to do so despite their 'planet restoration' efforts only being ~60% successful. from the newest myriad trailer, topaz's poster looks like a recruitment poster. -i have a feeling the aeonic war will kick off due to the actions of the IPC(they can profit off of medical aid, weaponry, defense etc). -maybe we'll destroy the cast iron throne? -if the ipc wants total control of the cosmos, who's to say there isn't Order lurking in the IPC(but i doubt this bc of how prevalent the order was in penacony, it feels kind of redundant) -maybe theres enigmata thrown into the ipc since they refuse to fund any research to figure out the universe before their beloved qlipoth -hoyo is now starting to throw in elements of voracity. in penacony theres a readable in the banquet hall of the radiant feldspar and it has a list of dishes. one of them is momentary voraciousness, if memory serves, and its written in red text. also it doesnt help that when i played SD, my first aeon encounter was ouroborous. theres a leak do to with the voracity which i will leave out(mainly bc it could be false and spoiler-y) -why are their only 10 stones active? we know from topaz that each stone has its own gifts, what aventurine can do is different from topaz or jade, but what is preventing them from using all of them? is it because when they are all used, tazzy's coming back? -i want to believe the astral express fights the ipc, if what you said is right, and the ipc is acting in the interest of the propagation, then the express could be something like the voracity? EDIT -what reason does the ipc have to research into the borisin and mecha versions of borisin. what are they trying to prepare for? the ipc is definitely shaping up to be a bigger threat and we can't do anything to stop them right now
YES IT IS THE MINECRAFT MAN! He's so cool XD - I agree. Astral express needs to back the heck off. - Topaz is definitely the bait for a lot of groups. She's chill, and then you agree to her terms and she doesn't realize the devastation that happens in her wake cause the IPC (and my money's on Jade specifically cause we SAW THIS HAPPEN on Penacony) shields Topaz from the horror that they actually do. Topaz will be devastated if she ever finds out. - Mhm, IPC will profit from any war that happens. - Mmmmmaybe. Pull a GOT and burn it with dragon fire or something. - There are a LOT of different paths represented in the IPC by different members, but they all bow to Qlipoth. There's been a thought thrown around that they're maybe trying to take over the paths too. - Enigmata is definitely in there too. - I have a lot of thoughts about Voracity actually. I didn't include them in this video, but I think there was a sort of merge that took place before Propagation and Preservation, if ya catch my meaning. Also, thanks for not sharing leaks. I avoid them as much as possible. - I don't know why it's only ten. Maybe Diamond is keeping his cards close to his chest, since the other departments of the IPC aren't exactly friendly with them, and they need bargaining chips that others wont expect. - I don't think Voracity and Propagation are currently as opposed as they look, but yeah I do firmly believe that the Express will be opposed to the IPC the further we get in the story. And your edit... - It has little to do with the Borisin and EVERYTHING TO DO with destabilizing the Xianzhou. The Xianzhou is one of the few factions that's managed to stay allied with the IPC without becoming dependent on them, and that's not good enough for the IPC, they want to CONTROL the Xianzhou, not just be able to ring them up when they need them. The Borisin are their key to doing that. My guess is the IPC is going to try and do a "swoop in and save the day" move like they've tried on Belobog and Penacony, but the thing is, the Express keeps cleaning up messes before the IPC can claim credit for the victory. So...we might become a problem for the IPC somewhere down the line.
@@iamemamae i cant believe i didnt think the ipc would try to destabilize the xianzhou but omg it makes so much sense, *thats* why they wanted to buy aurum alley. also the ipc trying to control the paths theory is also such a really good future plot-line, i really hope its true. maybe we'll reach to a point where the ipc orders a hit on the astral express, or one fo our members(most-likely mc cos.. theyre the mc) to cut their losses im only good with mcrp lore LMAO
If we talking the influinnce on the universe and Preservation (ironically), most of neutral Preservation comes mostly from Diamond Alliance faction as we know it as a fact, yeah (tho they still was voting if they will be Preserving or ignoring the victims of Aeon War in Ave Trail). Some of the other factions of IPC and especially Oswaldo's one is a very bad news. And yeah, we dont know if ironically the Voracity, Oroboros (the Leviothan against whitch Qlipoth also buiding the Wall) is what those folks are currently secretly (or unknowingly) follow.
The reason why I'm not entirely sure about Diamond is, the stuff the Stonehearts do was done under his leadership. So either he isn't aware of their actions or he doesn't have as much power as we've been led to believe. I'm not sure what to think of it yet.
It’s all fun and games until someone with the Abundance stops focusing on their paths more obvious aspects and uses it to give Qliphoth a larger attention span.
Imagine if, in the future, when the ipc does decide to revive the Swarm aeon, he would be also shaped by the Qliphoth and just comes to him and starts helping him with the wall? And the sleeping dad would finally wake up, saying to the bug "nice job", and the ipc would go crazy after not getting any admiration for their work. Imagine how funny that would be. Or, like, Qliphoth being the new swarm disaster. Also valid option. Anyways, nice video, another emanator of erudition. And also, I do not care how bad their means can be, I wanna get into the IPC. Glory to the IPC, glory to.... Uh, idk which aeon
I appreciate the "Emanator of Erudition" comment, thanks XD Fair enough about wanting to be in the IPC. And hey, whether it's the Lord made of Amber or the Lord encased in Amber, it's "All for the Amber Lord" either way XD
I think everything in the video made perfect sense except for the part where you said that the cornerstones were parts of the aeon of propagation.... I say this because I think it was made known that the cornerstones were powers that were given by diamond himself and that he was an emanator of preservation. Although this still plays into the theory aforementioned, in the penacony quest, Adventurine's cornerstone was actually destroyed so if technically a part of the propagation was inside the cornerstone, it would've been released because of it being decimated. This is just what I think however, so I personally thought that this was sort of a hole in that last part of the theory. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this tho!!!!
We were told that Diamond got the cornerstones directly from Qlipoth and they hold "the power of an emanator" but part of the video was that I'm wondering if he was lying, and that even though the Cornerstones did originally come from Qlipoth, Diamond lied about being given them directly, and simply just found them. We don't actually know that much about Diamond. We've been told he's an emanator of Preservation, but so far, I don't really have a reason to believe he even exists. There are so many questions yet to be answered. As far as the Aventurine stone being broken - we didn't actually see it get broken. It was brought into Penacony broken, which means if there was something inside, it was released when we didn't see. So yeah, still a lot of unanswered questions, but we'll get more answers the more we go along.
This is an amazing theory 😮 I have never thought of this i just think that the 10 stone hearts lead by diamond who realized the ipc is not helping their aeon so they will start a civil war in the ipc so that they can eventually win and become an ally to the trailblazers in the endgame style war that will be sure to happen againts the big bad of the story Nanook.
mmmm I honestly am not sure that Nanook is gonna be the big bad. We'll find out, but I think this guy isn't as much destruction as we've been led to believe
I think the most likely paths would be Erudition or Order. I think Erudition because of the focus on “logic and strategy.” I believe Order, because it’s a hive mind.
This is SUCHH a cool theory!! Star Rail lore is so mind-blowing, I'm honestly terrified of the storm on the horizon and whatever is cooking. I can't help but think about how intimately tied so many of the Aeons and their followers are, and following 2.5, what Ruan Mei is doing
OK I'm sold on the overall theory. The IPC following the Propagation certainly makes sense. Looking events with this theory certainly makes things more interesting and alarming. I was already worried about Ruan Mei researching leviathan fossils but now it's more terrifying. The Question is: is she doing it for her own interests or the IPC's? Ether option is scary but worse if it is for the IPC. I really can't wait until we meet Oswaldo and Diamond. I really think we need to make our own opinions on them before we have any idea on who to trust. We know the Stonehearts are getting ready for war but now I'm not sure what side they're on.
I haven't looked into Ruan Mei specifically, only her association with other storylines and theories, but from the little I've seen in passing, that woman is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS - She seems to be trying to become an aeon herself, or maybe even something greater than an aeon by creating one if that's even possible (Nous the Aeon was created by someone, I think she's trying to do something some similar). I'm curious to see how the Stoneheart stuff plays out. I believe Aventurine is trying to break the cornerstones to take away Diamond's power because he believes Diamond is to blame for his family's deaths, and that's a theory I've had for ages. Can you imagine what happens if he succeeds????
@@iamemamae I've long thought that Ruan Mei is probably the most dangerous person that we've met thus far. Her ambition, intelligence, and lack of empathy is a terrifying combination. Yah can certainly see Aventurine trying to contermind Diamond given his history and personality. I have some idea about the Stonehearts bouncing around my head right now but they haven't completely formed yet. I just feel that Jade giving the invite to the Stelleron Hunters, Aventurine teaming up with Boothill, and Topaz making a connection to the Nameless is important (Jade did mention specifically that she approved of the Jarilo VI negotiations because it put them in the Nameless's good grace's). Each Stoneheart we've seen thus far has extended their hand to another faction in the game. Of course each one of them may have done it for their own reasons but since it's now a trend we've seen with all three (currently) of the major IPC members makes me think there's something more to it.
Mhm, you're making good points. But this once again goes against Qlipoth's mission - he is an Aeon of barriers as well, keeping civilizations separate. The IPC is running directly counter to that.
@@iamemamaeimo Aventurine and Diamond are in quite good terms, afterall he was nothing but a slave to the IPC untill Diamond recruited him, and they both share an enemy which is Oswaldo. I'm getting a sense that there's currently a power struggle within the IPC, considering that the strategic investment department won another vote from the seven board members after their mission in Penacony. I'm leaning more on the theory that Diamond, as the emanator of preservation, is trying to cleanse the IPC from its corruption and preparing for the upcoming war among Aeons
I'd like to think hsr playable characters are not inherently evil except some super shady ones like Sparkle and Luocha but like Jade really didn't give anything away about her intentions at all and she looks the most sus out of all by being Lucifer like. I don't know if they can turn her character around.
I don't comment on videos often but I just wanted to say you are like the Matpat equivalent of HSR to me, I absolutely love your theories and energy and it reminds me so much of him!! Ever since watching the Aventurine theory video, I've been hooked and your theories and evidence sounds so compelling I can't help but think, "no way, that's absolutely gotta be true." ON ANOTHER NOTE, I LOVE THIS THEORY VERY MUCH AND THE CORNERSTONE REVEAL HAD ME GAPING LIKE A FISH THAT GOT DRAGGED OUT OF WATER!!! It really made me think, "oh gee, everything actually is connected to Scott Cawthon's masterpiece of a decade ago and WALLS" and I've always been wondering what the IPC, a company that has "Peace" in the name and basically rules the economy, been actually working and waiting towards for. I would not be surprised if this theory becomes canon or at least a part of it canon. You cooked and served a gourmet meal, this is and will be my dinner for the week, thank you chef
I'm so glad someone else picked up on how god awful Topaz was in that Belobog questline..... This theory was a lot of fun and I LOVE where your brain went yes yes gimme all the crack theories!!!! Also, Qlipoth as a 'husk' is supposed to be that which... surrounds the Kabbalah (tree of life), which is a map of god = existence. They should be responsible for all of the firmaments around the planets, and biblically the firmaments are supposed to separate the sky water from the planetary water (broken firmaments cause floods). Honkai also often refers to space as an ocean, too. You know how our planet-themed relics have those domes around them? I think that is the effect of Qlipoth, as is the ball surrounding the universe in Ena's art.
i remember hearing in the penacony yatch that the ipc looked for protection by controlling everything. i thought that what they meant was that, because of how swarm disaster ravaged everything, the aeon of preservation changed his objective from "keeping civiliztions alive" to "making sure people do survive". even if the aeon of propagation was sealed, the destruction was born, which promised a similar level of threat. But because Nanook uses estellarons to cause internal conflict (similarly to the ipc) the very civilizations became a danger to both themself and the others. therefore, he decided to sacrifice individuality/freedom for protection, creating one single civilization that´s bound to survive when Destruction launches an all-out attack. The reason why they recruit so many planets is to make sure no stellaron or emanator hides and causes an uprising against it, to increase the number of people to form part of his culture, and to increase the survival chances. on that note, they also develop weapons of destruction to destroy Destruction followers, similar to how Lan and the Xianzhou constantly go after the mara struck.
THE IPC VIDEO IS FINALLY OUT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO This now takes the cake as my favorite theory on your channel. I hope that it eventually becomes reality in-game :) Keep up the amazing work as always bud :)
Heeeyy, I missed you Ema! Great video to look forward to the future of the story! Also, now that I've tried making videos myself, I can really appreciate how amazing your editing is! 👍🏾
So what you're saying is the cornerstones are the dragonballs and Ol' Tazzy is doomsday Shenron. Also, on a different note, I've always thought that the IPC's emblem strangely looks like an insects head. The theory that the IPC is the new swarm just solidifies that point forward.
Yep! I made a whole short about how the Logo specifically looks like - not just any insect - but a BEE. And there's a hexagon pattern that we see often in the IPC stuff. Bees and swarms go hand in hand :)
Thanks for the video, another theory that I can tell my friend so they keep looking at me like I’m some sort of crazy being (Black Swan IS Razalina you must believe me and I assure you that Misha was the victim of the bite of ‘87 or something. A trustworthy woman on the internet told me that, you should check her vid- WAIT DON’T RUN AWAY). But really, good job on all the researching and putting all the pieces together. Also the editing and the script are top notch as usual!
I think one big fact that we all forget is that a follower of a path does not need to follow the aeons belief, because while the IPC does not follow qlipoth standards they rlly don't have 1, the same can be said about destruction, hunt, while hunt hates abundance n hunts abominations, Lan also destroys everything. The eminators of hunt don't always follow Lan n their belief like general Jing yuan who is a eminator of hunt but sources the erudition, fu zuan a preservation source but follows hunt. While this idea isn't also a far fetched idea either since alot can fly with hsr lore, I think the fact that followers do not need to follow the aeons belief
Oh I almost forgot abundance followers like sanctus and the borision are more like destruction n yaoshu also seemingly has a tendency to be more destructive than healing, n both followers/eminators are also very destructive in nature. As for the cornerstone idea that would be a funky idea since aventurine did shatter his and he states that his cornerstone is a far cry from its original power which we can assume that the aventurine stone has lost significant tazzy parts/power making that idea viable but not viable as well
@@sejikurosu7626 Mmm I disagree on part of this - the Aeons themselves don't necessarily stand for the simple concepts we assign to them. The people of the star rail galaxy have titled them "Aeon of ______" but their actual goals may be a bit different. They are giant cosmic beings, but they are people, not just concepts, and are therefore allowed a level of complexity.
Great theory as always. Honestly makes you wonder how much each Stoneheart knows because as you say Jade and maybe Opal would probably know considering their position but the other ones I’m not sure
omg you might be my new fav hsr lore giver and theorist honestly. you brung up things I didn't even know and ideas that just make sense ITS SO GOOD please keep up the good work!!!!!
@@iamemamae haha yes definitely the appropriate first impression. idk all the details but generally there's a theory going around that ratio was sent to infiltrate the genius society (unknowingly or not) by aha and failed (aha vs erudition beef goes crazy). this isn't the first time aha's pulled this stunt, and even sparkle says something about wanting to infiltraite the genius society herself etc. a lot about how ratio is very aligned subtextually with the masked fools/aha (his colour scheme for one; that one suspicious divuni equation about the erudition+elation (the elation path as a whole...); his role in the 'mundane troubles' quest was very sparkle of him; his og design having a very obvious mask; his penacony sticker description; the fact that "allegedly" the next planet is greek inspired and who's our resident greek inspired character we virtually know nothing about?) all conjecture at this point but knowing aha. well.
So here is something i'd like to say. Maybe the propagation isn't directly controlling qlipoth but has changed the concept of preservation in its root, and maybe through the corner stones it fused with qlipoth since it has become a part of his body. So now the preservation wants to spread as far and wide to preserve anything, and make more things to preserve by putting its influence over more planets through the ipc?
Sadly since the end of this update has given us some other details that might disprove some of the things you said. But what i would say is that we know paths merge and can take over one another through unknown means yet. But this might still lead to the concept of preservation still spreading to propagation (as propagation is a way of preserving living beings) soo maybe the ipc aren't the only ones to have relation to this, but i think your theory is awesome and thanks for confirming my previous understanding of what you said. Btw related to the merge i am unsure how the people or even emanators do know of the event of a merge happening (i am not someone who read all the lore yet😅) i wonder if it might be possible that an event of a path being absorbed by another to be hidden from the universe...
@@bluedaniels3 I'm talking about it in the next video. It looks like it's been disproven on first glance, but when you actually think about it and understand the backgrounds of a few key characters, it actually PROVES quite a few points of this video, and the ones that it doesn't prove are still fairly plausible. Can't wait to talk about it!
Bro imagine the nickname/title 'Amber Lord' is actually talking about Tazzyronth. Qlipoth doesnt really remind me of amber, I mostly equate him with gold/earth. Your theory has ringed the alarm bells for the true reason why they refer to their Aeon as the amber lord
2:40 this right here, with how Diamond is portrayed with him being neutral and "only the results matter" makes me think that only him out of the other Seven Board Members care about Preservation since The Ten Cornerstones are all one stone contaminating the power of a Preservation Emanator split into ten with Diamond himself likely being the Emanator. This explains why he's against the other factions within the IPC because they aren't about Preserving anymore - namely Oswaldo's.
Great video as alway E^. I like to point out 3 thing: 1. A faction and an Aeon are similiar in that both operated on a set of iron protocol. While concious judgement matter sometime, 90% it didn't. 2. There are 2 main way Aeon affect mortal: Direct Event & Protocol Inspiration, and the later is how a faction are created in HSR. A group of people look at the Aeon's Protocol and act upon it. 3. A faction's oparation protocol can change, and while Aha or HooH have a hand in making it happen, it the mortal who have the final judgement and carry out the action. Maybe it HooH who guide the butlet that almost kill Robin, but it Sunday's and his family decision to abandon Harmony and be inspired by Aeon/Ideal of Order. HSR at the end of the day are the story of people and their story, not the god. The fact that the IPC, who claim "All for the Amber Lord" but more inspired by "the Ambered Lord", Qilipoth's Opposite, is quite a tragedy. So, i think it less "our CEO are brainwash by magic space bug" and more "damn, we let our greed guide us to do a 180° of our god" is the reason why the IPC acting like a new swam. Finger cross on IPC CEO actually mind control by a magic space bug, this still a fantasy game after all.
@@Koscacio i agree It you makes no sense at all How ipc follows voracity or Propagation,why they would seek to revive It when this would Destroy ALL the things they are on Control right now?
@@iamemamae idk how Yaoshi hasn’t gazed at her tbh. All she does is cultivate, create, reanimate and even simulate life. The cherry blossoms during her ult are kinda sus too lol
My GOD how can you make each theory more exciting than the last? I love this theory! I just don't think the 10 stonehearts actually would have the pieces of Tezziroth, it feels like something way too powerful go give to just 10 members on a section of the IPC (And it wouldn't be so easy to break one like Aven did). But i could see the pieces being given to the higher ups, and maybe Diamond used his to create the 10 corner stones.
This theory is insane and has me so hyped for Star Rail’s future. I’ve said for a while now that Bronya deserves a second 5* and would hopefully be as an Eminator of the Preservation, it’d be interesting if Belobog comes in and sets the followers of Preservation back on track
I personally don't think they are being corrupt. Maybe some but i definitely think THEY KNOW. aventurine also implies he could follow any path he wanted so ikd if the powers are really coming from the path
Fascinating theory! I would not be surprised if we got a Swarm Disaster Two Electric Bugaloo due to the IPC's shenanigans, definitely seems like something they would bring on themselves lol. But also this makes me slightly more curious about the supposed "fate" that Elio and the finality bring. Like, we got this crazy thing that could end in a universal war, Aeons coming back from the "grave", and quite frankly ALL of the Nihility if they ever do something, but the thing we need to worry about the most is "eventually Facing Nanook". Then again, it would make sense that if the second Swarm Disaster happens, Nanook would step in like the Voracity but destroy EVERYTHING in the process, rather than just 2/3, so that tracks. But yeah, it makes me curious that Nanook is supposedly the biggest problem we are ever going to face, and not any of the other Aeons, and more than anything, that Lan (or The Hunt) is going to be VITAL for this future. But idk, maybe I'm just spewing nonsense.
See I'm wondering if Nanook isn't the big bad we've been told they are. We've been TOLD a lot about them, but what we've SEEN of the Aeon theirself is just...it doesn't quite match up in my mind. Something's odd there.
Great video, though I think the reason why the IPC is looking for the Tazzy parts is to complete their Decied (killing God) plan with Ruan Mei, Jingliu and Loucha. Also I think this needs to be pointed out: if Qlipoth never interacted with the IPC from the first place, why would the organization be affected by changes with their Aeon whom they never even got a glance to begin with? So my answer would be that some of the board members (except for Diamond) are following another Aeon. We all know Oswaldo worships Akivili so then that leaves us with the others. My guess is Voracity. Ideologically the current IPC is very consumerist based and is heavily about money and other hedonistic behaviors. One of the Stonehearts is hinted to be a Voracity insider, and them looking for fragments of Tazzy wouldn't be that weird if they know Oroboros' whereabouts and are planning to feed her with them instead of giving them to Ruan Mei.
Y'know, i was seeing FGO's latest chapter (Ordeal call 3) and ereshkigal turned into a beast, and in her fight, the text for "preservation" is then changed to hoarding, and ever since that i was wondering... Maybe, like The Order, the IPC follow a forgotten path that could be related to being a Hoarder
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there was also another theory that the IPC follows orobouros of voracity because it said something about how the IPC keeps on taking everything from the planets in a very greedy way and then offer them to orobours I can’t remember who made it though
17:33 I will
would it be okay if i bounce off of the “stonehearts being amber sealing propagation aeon” theory to make my own? with credit ofc. i have an idea of how that would connect to genshin too, so i just wanted to ask if it’s okay. if not that’s fine! idk if i’ll actually get around to it tho lol
@@softlyblooming Yeah, go right ahead! I love seeing people expand on my theories (with credit of course) - it's really really cool to see ideas I came up with pop up in fan discussions in different places on the internet :) If you want, I'd love a link to whatever you come up with!
@@iamemamae awesome! thank you!
Fun fact: Aventurine mocks the lance of preservation trailblazer, calling it “The architects flawed stone”.
Reminder that the recognized group by The Preservation IS the architects.
I will say Aventurine is playing a role there, I don't take anything he said in that scene too seriously. BUT that role he's playing is one that's accepted in the IPC. And we've also seen the IPC scorn the Architects in Belobog. So yeah, yet more evidence that the IPC cares not for Qlipoth.
I'd interpreted that as a comment about himself/ his own cornerstone, aventurine, what with it's history of being sold as jade in scams, and his gambit where he hands in the jade cornerstone as a substitute for his own as a reversal of that which we get told about shortly before that cutscene. "of no value at all" referring to it's cheapness along with his apparent inferiority complex.
I thought it was part of his self introduction, but it does make sense that he meant the lance as we were pointing it at him at the time.
@@snowboundwhale6860
Aventurine is not cheap at all, I went to an esoteric shop 2 weeks ago and got a small tumble and it was like 5 or 8 leva 😭
Ofc, I might have been scammed, but at least it was a real one
Qlipoth's schedule: Wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall wall
It's just wall
The secret of the universe is wall.
This is a door not a wall..
-Masked fool
@@Redishrat_Ch Or IS IT
qlipoth is secretly trump
Always has been
Firefly is going to be fucking pissed. Also Qlipoth hyper focusing on his wall is so funny 😭
For sure. Firefly had to sacrifice the other SAM pilots and destroy a world, just to wipe out the bugs where she was fighting. She cried after that. It's a miracle that Firefly just barely survived there, as the SAM suit was removed due to sheer impact of the explosion. Which is why she was nude at the end of the video of her fighting The Swarm. She even was questioning wherever she was alive or not after that explosion she set off with a remote given to her
Another fun fact is that Qlipoth builds walls between worlds preserving and isolating them from one another ... it's not just walls at the edge of the universe but also between the worlds so that just in case Oroboros the Aeon of Voracity can not eat all the planets at once. it servers as the defense line ... Also if one planet becomes effected it does not effects the other planets... The IPC does the opposite of this by connecting worlds whereas the Qlipoth aim is to isolate them from one another to save them from calamity.. So its clear that they doesn't follow thier Aeon
Doesn't count that big of a hint. Galaxy Rangers follow Lan but they don't search to kill abominations like the xianzhou, but all evil, likewise Memokeepers are split between the GoR and Cremators, but both follow fuli despite the latter going against THEIR will
@@darknessknows1235 Yeah you are right .... but in case of preservation i don't think that they follow the path and concept of preservation at all they are just monopolizing everything ,yet they still preach about the ember lord.. the examples you provided stands correct
@@laibanoor5571It's not like Qlipoth is only a defender, what they are doing still fits Preservation with the exception of connecting worlds but that can easily be justified by them not being able to create walls like Qlipoth, and even then, Qlipoth isolates to defend, not to separate
@@darknessknows1235 Please don't give the IPC the devil's advocate, they are far worse than the Stelleron Hunters ever were. Yet we are supposed to treat the IPC as the "good guys" and the "Stelleron Hunters" as villains? The IPC do far more messed up stuff for personal gain. The Stelleron Hunters, despite their huge bounties and kill count, are not doing what they do for selfish gain. They are fighting to get a future that isn't screwed by Nanook. Each Stelleron Hunter may be in the faction to fulfill their own impossible wishes Elio promises to grant, but the end goal is to have a future where the universe isn't screwed by Nanook, and the Trailblazer is a huge factor in that result. The MC has to be the hero for the plan to succeed. You can tell that the MC is important for reaching a good end if you trigger the first secret bad ending of the story that you can only trigger before you board the Astral Express for the first time. In that ending, it's implied that everyone in the Astral Express crew died because you weren't there to help them in the Jarilo VI arc of the story. And the bad ending makes an effort to make you feel bad for your terrible decision
It's honestly too funny thinking that when they say: "All for the amber lord" they don't mean the guy who is MADE of Amber but the mf who is stuck on one
Random headcanon: Second swarm disaster BUT Ruan Mei successfully creates a synthetic Propagation emanator therefore making her the new Aeon of Propagation
Also remember, in this most recent update, Himeko mentioned bringing leviathan bones to Ruan Mei, so what if Ruan Mei is trying to clone Oroboros as well?
@shadowzerthefirst8061 well we do know that Ruan Mei wants to become an Aeon and Propagation does fit her MO.
The question is can an Aeon be born from a preexisting path?
Thus far we've only seen a path come from an Aeon not the other way around. If she does become the new Aeon of Propagation that opens a whole new can of worms that throws into question everything we know about Aeons, their function, and creation.
I can see Hoyo pulling this trick but it's a lot of it happens. I'd be all for it but the implications are already making my head hurt.
She's not exactly propagation though. She's like...recreation or rebirth or something.
But we have seen Aeons come from a path, sort of. Nanook is one of the youngest aeons, and he was specifically born because of the destruction the Swarm aeon caused, but we don't know the exact circumstances so it is iffy.
@@RomnilWaterRuan mei wishes to be her own aeon with her own path. Her experiments were trying to figure out why and how aeons were created, propagating is the most simplistic ideal thus most easily replicated, which she did.
People often misinterpret her motives of bringing back the swarm, she proved her theory right so there’s no need for the swarm anymore. She’s most likely gonna take it up a notch and create something that breaks the fundamental rules of the universe this transcending to aeonhood.
@@Void-ui8sz It's currently my pet theory that the Stellaron's themselves serve as some kind of catalyst to become an Aeon during the disasters they cause; assuming it's not a mistranslation, at the very start of the game there is a conversation between Kafka and Silverwolf when discussing Zandar One Kuwabara, the supposed creator of the Erudition Aeon, Nous, where Silver Wolf makes a throwaway comment stating that the rumors/legend about Zandar creating an Aeon better be false because she doesn't want to be called a 'Zandar Hunter' instead of a 'Stellaron Hunter'. Welt has previously stated that, while many believe that the Stellarons come from Nanook and are certainly being used by his agents (and seemingly everyone else whom gets their hands on one) to further their own ends, no one knows without a shadow of a doubt where they're coming from or why. There are only theories and suspicions. On Jarilo-6 we can see that the Stellarons are as potentially as dangerous to the Destructions agents as everyone else --given how many were wiped out by the Eternal Freeze - and the will that drives them is not necessarily aligned with the Destruction.
Another interesting thing to note is that while the IPC may not be acting in the name of Preservation, we do know that atleast one of their emanators, Diamond, does draw power from the Amber Lord. If I recall correctly, one of the lines in the TB mission for the 2.1 update talked about how Acheron's blow against the cornerstone-powered Aventurine was somewhat softened by the fact that he was drawing power from the Preservation. Since the cornerstone is a portion of Diamond's power, we can infer that he truly is an emanator of Preservation. I just wanted to remind everyone as this can mean a few things concerning people's theories about the IPC.
See here's the odd thing - there is some implication that the Aeons and the Paths are not intrinsically connected. Like the path of propagation still exists in a pure state while the Aeon theirself is corrupted. The way it's described is the aeon is the being "furthest along the path" so that's really kinda strange and odd and I'm not sure what to make of it.
there's also the fact that IPC is ridiculously big that it's very much possible to have multiple factions in it. maybe diamond is following preservation, but i can't be sure ozwaldo schneider is the same considering boothill points him as the one responsible for nuking his planet and he likely has a hand in how sigonia ended up the way it did. personally, my bet is on a combination of corruption and someone manipulating the direction the company goes.
@@iamemamae corrupted ?where did You found it
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 Typo. I should've said "even if the aeon theirself is corrupted"
@@iamemamae no i din't understand How did you come to the conclusion Qlipoth is corrupted
You were cooking with this one! Just makes so much sense that the "filler" patches actually progresses the main story instead of just being random little side quests.
Yep! I feel like the "Planet patches" are the Trailblazer's story and the "filler patches" are progressing the "villains'" story, and then sooner or later the two will collide :)
Qlipoth, you keep on propagating that wall, uh, um, I mean preserving that wall.
20:02 You mean the patch where an IPC grunt unknowingly found himself to be inside the stomach of a Giant Sting, and we learned about the Stings’ abilities to create hallucinations? Probably not as big but definitely somewhat interesting
Curiouser and curiouser :)
Velite! I love that idiot lmao, I hope he comes back
Same. There may have been an implication that he died on his adventures with Argenti, but I can't remember where I heard that so I'm not 100% sure.
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"i will put you back together"
- William afton
Pretty much XD
Hey so, I don't know if you noticed, but... The IPC iconography is heavily into hexagons and gold. Now while gold and amber are basically the same for for this purpose you have to remember... Amber. Amber is not a rock like others. Amber is tree resin. Plant byproduct. It's also very often the color of something else made from plants, Honey made from nectar. This insect connect, along with the hexagon to honeycomb patters You Included In This Video (not gonna find the timestap but it was blue and white) makes the IPC's collection of gold...
Incredibly hive like. Like bees collecting honey for their queen.
Perhaps regular humans can influence an Aeon enough to change it... But we've seen little evidence of that so it's more likely that this is the Aeon of Preservation holding the concept of Propagation as well.
YO I DIDNT CATCH THAT YOURE RIGHT THEY'RE A SWARM OF BEES!
Do you mind if I make a short of this idea? I cant believe I didn't catch that!
@@iamemamae sure! A mention would be nice, so just screenshot / screencap it.
@@iamemamae if you're gonna make a short use 13:45 because those offices are honeycomb but built tech modern style
@@wolfofsummerbreeze Absolutely! This is seriously crazy!
@@iamemamae maybe use that one rivers of gold clip with opal dropping it from his hands. That deliberate use of gold as liquid is also very interesting, as while can tie into the flow of wealth and commerce it is what also gave me the idea of gold being honey.
Bruh, first the FNAF opener, then the "putting their aeon back together" XD
Another lovely theory Ema. Keep up the good work.
Was wondering if anyone would catch that XD It's just become part of my humor now
@@iamemamae it's awesome. Keep doing it!
7:22 I rewatched that set of cutscenes a little while back and I noticed that Cocolia actually stabbed the Trailblazer with the Architect’s Lance (it was blue and icy though probably because she’s corrupted by the Stellaron).
Mhm! That she did! Then Qlipoth brought the trailblazer back and I assume also purified the lance. Or maybe it was our own trailblazing spirit that does that.
@@iamemamae Yes. They definitely “preserved” us in that moment.
Qliphoth, champion of doing whatever the hell he wants cause hes just build better
I like this idea. It adds a whole new context to the relationship between adventurine, topaz, and jade.
Adventurine seemed to make it a point that while it hurts his position in the IPC, the distruction of his cornorstone was, to some extent, his goal.
With former theories, it was simply a way to reduce diamonds power as his way to get back at the IPC. With this new theory you could argue that adventurine is doing what he can to stop the propagating. Correct me if im wrong, but with that in mind and the unwavering trust Jade and Topaz has in him, it gives me this feeling of a group of insiders fighting with extra knowledge.
That would make some sense why in the end of 2.3 he seemed to be quite willing to help out boothill because if the entire IPC is corrupt it wouldnt be farfetched if a galexy ranger had come across this kind of information hence why boothill is so keen on getting to the strategic investment devision.
Great theory. It adds a lot of potential context to charector motives already in the game without any very clear contridiction that come to mind.
You could argue thats also why the stellaron hunters were soo keen on having things go a certain way in penacony as well. 1 stone down potentially 9 more to go.
I agree - I think Aventurine might have some kind of idea what's going on. Either that or he doesn't and he's going to end up accidentally releasing Tazzy with his revenge plot.
your sort of right, in the end of 2.5, is revealed that loucha had one of those pieces of tazzyronth.
Just wait. I think it revealed a LOT M ORE THAN THAT
Honestly, the Path of Propagation being a separate Path physically attached to Qlipoth isn’t that crazy to belief. The Paths in HSR are … so incredibly flexible, I’ve recently found out that in one of Kafka’s dialogues when you’re questioning her in the Loufu, she reveals that the Path of Propagation used to be part of the Path of Permanence! It’s the complete opposite situation of Order and Harmony, and the reason why this was accomplished is because Tayzzyronth pursuits ONLY Propagation, nothing more, nothing less. Even the philosophy of Propagation is useless to the Path of Propagation.
Aeons preside over their Paths, even when an Aeon is apparently incapacitated to some degree, there is no alternative being to preside over that Path. Then we have Qlipoth taking Propagation away from Tayzzyronth, and according to your theory, the Propagation is now corrupting the Preservation, however I wonder if instead … the Propagation enhanced the Preservation?
Like I mentioned earlier, Propagation used to be part of Permanence, the Vidyadhara can no longer repopulate, and this is an issue they’ve constantly been trying to find a solution to. (Sorry, can’t help but trying to remember … didn’t Ruan Mei in her Trailer say something about “something something Propagation, Repopulate Permanence” or am I misremembering that?)
Propagation was a minor Path of Permanence, but it was extremely vital! In the Path of Preservation, the Propagation should be considered a minor Path of Preservation, and yet … these two Paths have not merged together, the Path of Propagation still persists, which makes me wonder … has the Path of Propagation itself … duplicated? A Path of Propagation for the Swarm, and a minor Path of Propagation that merged with the major Path of Preservation?
Now, onto my thoughts about the IPC, I wish to mention right now that … I’m a bit biased towards my thoughts, but I have been proven wrong on several thoughts of my own, so I’m always open to other theories even if they oppose mine.
I believe the IPC is one of two things; A Faction of Equilibrium who disguised themselves as a Faction of Preservation, or A Faction of individuals who wish to take control over every Path. I cannot decide between these two possibilities since they both include the thought process that the IPC is taking control over every Path, one possibility suggests they’re doing this because of Equilibrium, while the other possibility suggests the belief that controlling the Paths means they control the cosmos.
We’ve always never really mentioned the bad side about Equilibrium, the hardships it guarantees in order to sustain Equilibrium. When we first achieve Equilibrium, it tells us quite plainly that we will receive more rewards, alongside harder enemies. A rather easy form of Equilibrium to keep up with, but what about the more … complicated measures of Equilibrium? HooH is described as an entity whose already spun the web that everything has already fallen into, THEY are inevitable. For such an inevitable existence … why are there Emanators of such inevitability? What is the Path of Equilibrium, and who are the Pathstriders of such a Path? These are definitely questions that should be answered another time, but still rather important to address now and again. If everything is already in Equilibrium, then wouldn’t the followers of Equilibrium do their part in ensuring this remains true? This is how a Faction of Equilibrium was founded, made up of Equilibrium fanatics, however they’d quickly find out that the other Paths don’t really want to be controlled, until they found the IPC, who managed to perfect the Act of Control, so the Fanatics of Equilibrium joined/infiltrated the IPC, and consequently earned the control of Preservation. If you look closely to the IPC of today, you’d quickly notice that they have many ties with other Factions, Xianzhou (Hunt), Garden (Remembrance), Guild (Erudition), Penacony (Harmony), and so on, including the fact that they hide so much information suggests a connection with the Enigmata as well. The only real evidence I have to suggest the inner workings of Equilibrium, is the IPC levels, all the way up to Level 50, which is a number not so suspicious on its own, until you think about the fact that 50 is perfectly 50% of 100 … Equilibrium is the pursuit of keeping things 50/50 (something along those lines).
My other IPC theory is the Faction who wishes to control all Paths in order to control the Cosmos. Question, where are the Paths? Answer, Absolutely Everywhere, including Nowhere (thank you Nihility! Love ya buddy!!) in Genshin, the Khaenri’ahns once believed that whoever controls the Abyss, controls the world, well what if that belief made its own way into HSR? (No, I’m not suggesting an in-depth connection between the games, only a similar way of thinking that anyone from both realities could’ve conjured up.) So, whoever controls the Paths, controls the Cosmos. One of the very first Paths they took control of, was Preservation, thus, they disguised themselves as a Faction of Preservation. And I’ve already mentioned the evidence of this control over Paths in my previous paragraph.
That first part there makes SO MUCH SENSE, and actually explains some of the plot holes I glossed over when making this video. Thank you!
As for what you're saying about the IPC I like your second theory there - that they're trying to control all the paths. That lines up very well with what I've observed about them.
Pretty solid theory tbh
@@iamemamae always happy to share my thoughts, especially when it helps out another person!
Also, I watched the Celestia Myraid video about Ruan Mei again, she said “Dissect Remembrance, Control Equilibrium, Deconstruct Beauty, and Reproduce Permanence.”
In the IPC’s potential interest of Controlling Paths, they might soon find themselves looking into Ruan Mei’s research about Controlling Equilibrium, if not already looking into Ruan Mei herself, due to her intent of becoming an Aeon. Now please excuse me while I deconstruct Beauty, and dissect Remembrance before Ruan Mei gets a chance!
I would be SO INTERESTED to hear more of your thoughts on Ruan Mei, I haven't looked into her character directly, but you seem to have spent some time on her.
@@iamemamae Unfortunately, my thoughts on Ruan Mei are rather slim, I’m aware of some facts about her that might raise suspicion, I’m not saying there isn’t anything about Ruan Mei to learn about, just that I haven’t personally looked that deeply into her. My most significant thought concerning her is that Ruan Mei will very likely lead us to some extremely significant lore concerning Aeons and Paths. The likelihood of her becoming an Aeon is … well, it’s definitely a very interesting possibility that is as possible as the developers want it.
There’s a chance that … Ruan Mei is a 4th Wall Breaker? In her Character Trailer, we literally see our Gameplay from her perspective, it could’ve consequently be due to us being in the Simulated Universe, so she’s simply seeing a Simulated Gameplay, but … it’s up for some debate I guess?
Well, the Stonehearts MV and even in places during the Penacony arc mentioned they WERE preparing for a war among the Aeons.
This information now makes those statements make sense.
Holy shit you cooked so hard the cornerstone reveal made my jaw DROP
YAAAAAAAAY! GOAL ACHIEVED!
I find it hard to believe that the aeon is trapped in the cornerstones cuz aventurine shattering his would have been a bigger deal, like some power from the aeon of propagation releasing or something
Maybe it did, but remember, Aventurine's little adventure happened inside a dream, so while we know it also did shatter in real life do to the recent Myrad celestia, I don't think a "release of energy" like you'd expect would necessarily happen. You make a good point, though.
@@iamemamae I still find it hard to believe because it has been said multiple times that the cornerstones have portions of the emanator of preservation's (diamond) powers to help his 10 stonehearts
@@itsyaboiABG I mean, I'm sure that kind of power is necessary to control and subdue an Aeon of Propagation, though. The stones can't just be stone to keep Them there. They HAVE to have some kind of Power from an Aeon. Also, just because it's the power of an Emanator, doesn't mean the power was put there by Diamond. The cornerstones and the power in them pretty explicitly came from Qlipoth, but we've been told that They gave the stones directly to Diamond - that's what I'm calling into question there at the end.
@@iamemamae well an emanator of preservation's powers are Qlipoths powers or more specifically a portion of the path's imaginary energy. That's why i still find it hard to believe that the cornerstones hold the remains of tayzzyronth as aeon/emanator power is just the path's img energy if you get what i mean (might be speaking in broken English so i apologize for that). But i do agree with some of your points like qlipoth's corruption
I mean, they made a show of judging him in front of Diamond.
Interesting... With this in mind, Obsidian's words in the IPC Myriad Celestia trailer sticks out even more. How she would prefer if things were a bloodbath. And how even the highest ranking of the IPC are split. I wonder, when was the last time the Amber Lord truly gazed upon the IPC like it did for us in Belobog?
Nice theory, as always. But... I believe that, rather Tazzy, I say that the true Aeon that they follow is Ouroboros. If not, why would they block Qlipoth information OR the Dusk Wars info? Also, they got a universal empire, but they still try to, greedily, get even more power and money. And what's the definition of Voracity? The state of eagerness to have a lot of something.
That would explain why it is said that Taravan Keane, an emanator of Preservation, isn't even following the Preservation and even having some attitudes that align him to Ouroboros.
So... What if Diamond's true intentions are to get more power inside the IPC to do an all-out civil war inside the IPC to reclaim control and re-orient it into the right direction? That would explain why he's going all-out getting the power of the Cornerstones to the 10 most capable people, to get him higher on the ranks of the IPC.
Finishing with this, you forgot to mention the Cast Iron Throne, which is a key piece of all of the IPC's power because it can control the universal equilibrium and control the flow of wealth and poverty into the planets. Only three people went into the throne: The two founders of the IPC: Louis Fleming and Qixing, as well as the head Technological Division named De Wayne. To add more fuel to the fire, Qixing (one of the founders) is now in control of the Cast Iron Throne, the whole reason of why the IPC is so powerful economically (by having the power to generate money, thus, being able to be as greedy as you want considering that you can spawn money into your own two hands (I WANT THAT AAAAAAA))
In summary, my theory is that the IPC is more aligned with the Voracity, for just how greedily are getting the money loaned by Oswaldo's team, and Diamond is trying to get as much power inside the IPC to make an internal war to claim IPC's control (likely to get control of the Cast Iron Throne) and head it into the right direction (the Preservation instead of the Voracity).
(Sorry if my English vocabulary is lacking)
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See, you're not wrong, but here's the thing - As the swarm expanded, they also took on a key characteristic of consumption, leaving planets absolutely devastated in their wake. This is something we also see with locust swarms IRL. Nothing is left when they finally leave or die out. As for the IPC following Oroboros directly, I actually agree with that too, I just didn't put it in the video. I'm going to make a short about it. Suffice to say, Propagation isn't the only concept corrupting the preservation.
The IPC also has ties to a lot of other paths and Aeons, and someone in the comments said it's possible the IPC is trying to "consume" the other paths and bring them under the control of Qlipoth, which is a definite possibility.
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! I need to look more into that throne, cause I actually don't know that much about it yet.
@@iamemamae There's not so much info of the Cast Iron Throne. Frankly, all the info known to this day are in Gold and Gears.
@@ThatCynicalDude Good to know where to start, though. Thanks!
Before the video, I expected you'd talk about how the IPC followed Aeon of Voracity (hence the greed and consumption that both parties do). But boy oh boy the evidence you have for your theory is already more than valid.
(The IPC and Oroboros connection I said was from Ashikai's video about Aeon Counterparts... if my memory served me correctly)
Love the video as always, keep up the good content.
Oh I have THOGUHTS about the Voracity, and let's just say.......it's not out of the question they might follow THEM too. I have a way it makes sense, but there's not as much evidence for it. I'll make a short about it :)
@@iamemamae Hell yeahhh, I'm curious about your thoughts of Voracity. Will wait for the shorts to come!
Given Voracity vanished without explanation, if the same thing happened to it as Tazzyronth, then Qlippoth could be both Voracity and Propagation at once, on top of his preservation, and trying to square that circle is how everything is going wrong. The Swarm Disaster conflict is continuing inside of Qlippoth itself.
Except it might not be a conflict anymore. Because the Swarm very explicitly "consumed" everything in its path. Making the two of them ripe to merge with each other, despite their opposition.
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OK SO THIS VIDEO WAS INCREDIBLY WELL-TIMED! I'm still standing by that cornerstone theory btw. We now know that Luocha has PART of Tazzy in his coffin, but as for where the other parts are, them being in the possession of the stonehearts still feels incredibly plausible to me. And Ruan Mei's involvement is VERY important!
I'm going to make a video about this, but I found it very interesting how in 2.5, all the factions involved are most concerned about Propagation - the Borisin, the Vidyadhara, and even the Alliance are making concessions to Tazzy in their Godslayer protocol. This is really fascinating how all of this is unfolding.
Also, I don't believe for ONE SECOND that the IPC/Intelligentcia Guild was just an unwitting accomplice to the Borisin.
Great video as always. I originally thought IPC might be Voracity but this also makes sense. Also IPC's small Qlipoth's picture looks like a bug's head
Hey, they could be voracity AND propagation. I'm making a short about that :)
Your vidoe is awesome as always! I never really put much thought on the IPC following the Propagation, but after watching the your video, it definitely has merit. However there are a few things I don't fully agree with.
The first is about the Trailblazer lance. It wasn't Qlipoth that given them the lance, but the will of the supreme guardian. That being said, Qlipoth did indeed glance Trailblazer way, but I wager that do to the fact that Trailblazer manger to pull out the lance that was wilded by Alisa Rand, the one who Qlipoth had given the lance in the first place.
Second is while the IPC doesn't follow traditional way of Preservation, but there a reason why it's one of the oldestest and overall broadest of the paths. In a way, the IPC is preserving worlds by putting everything under it's own banner, in turn preservation the universe under one rule, just as Jade had said. Ofc I agree with you that another path has infiltrate the ipc(Voracity) and I even think that Taravan is one of its Emanator. But like you mention in the video, I'm sure only P-46 and above probably knows this, the rest still think the IPC as a whole server the preservation.
Lastly is about the cornerstones. While I do think the IPC has pieces of the Propagation, but I fail to see why they would allow one single Department, especially how relatively young the Strategic Investment Department is compared to the others(It wasn't even there during the first Mechanical Emperor wars). And with the fact that Marketing Development(its rival and the head is the one Aventurine against) would be ever but against them. And if the cornerstones really did contain the Propagation, I'm sure Acheron or the dream master would've sense it during the battle with Aventurine. That and during his trip to nihility, it was the Cornerstone(preservation) that protected him from getting lost. That sounds more like Preservation then Propagation. That being said, this is me defending the Strategic Investment Department and the stoneheart rather then the IPC as a whole.(That and it could be my biased on the theory of diamond reclaiming the Ipc for the preservation…)
Fair enough on the lance, I still think it's a bit nitpickish tho - they got the lance and their fire powers at the same times, one was from Qlipoth, one was from the Supreme Guardians of the past - either way, blessed by Qlipoth.
The problem with that second bit is that "putting everyone under one banner" thing is directly counter to Qlipoth's will - he wishes to preserve cultures the way they are by *building walls* and separating people, letting each culture endure, just separately. No matter what way you slice it, they're following Qlipoth only as a front.
I do believe that the cornerstones hold the power of Preservation, as that power would be necessary to contain the propagation. So it's possible that the power pf propagation in that battle went unnoticed simply because the power of preservation is overwhelming it, like how the smell of really strong food would overwhelm the scent of say a little flower sitting on the table. There's also the possibility of Diamond and the Stonehearts working to defend the cornerstones so others in the IPC can't try to bring back Tayzzyronth with them? idk there are a lot of possibilities here.
@@iamemamae Yea, I was debating wheater to put the lance part or not, but decided to just do it. Sorry!
Btw, this is a bit off topic, I had a simier theory about the Stone. But instead of Propagation, but with Equilibrium. At the end of the video showed Diamond throne and the Stoneheart reaching for it, where not confirmed and completely likely me headcanoning for the moment, is the Cast Iron Throne from Gold and Gear lore. It has strong ties to the equilibrium. And considering the usage of a 'scale' to judge Aventurine which symbolize equilibrium...What if the Concerstone were powered by both the equilibrium and Preservation? OFC, this is totally a headcanon from just two short second scenes and the scale could also be taken as "Order" as well(But since Jade rejected order alr, maybe it still has a chance...) . So similar to your theory of the stone made from the seal of propagation but instead with Equilibrium?(But considering we basically know next to nothing about Equilibruim in the first place, I could totally be overthinking this...)
This is legitimately super interesting! But there were a few things I wanted to mention and hopefully get your thoughts on?
- Unless my memory has totally betrayed me, Ena herself didn't seem to be responsible for the Harmony in Penacony being tampered with. The actual culprits were (at least to my understanding) implied to be a hidden faction of essentially, Path of Order Fundamentalists. Its very telling to me that even Sunday, basically the ultimate end product of this group, still freely admits that Ena the Order is dead and gone. That said, the idea that the 'Path' that the IPC is on has been corrupted in someway is definitely still plausible. We know precious little about how Qlipoth ascended after all, and as for a means or method for that corruption, we know that the IPC started to radically alter course after...I believe it was De Wayne first made contact with the Iron Throne.
- Very briefly about the "multiplying and intensifying suns" thing, I'm less inclined to take this as evidence of Tazzyronth's power, then instead as evidence of Qlipoth's immense power. If there *is* another Aeon manipulating or affecting this moment somehow, I think its actually Xipe. Causing 'The Suns to Rise' is specifically mentioned as the Third Deed Ena did when establishing the universe in Sunday's poem, and its mentioned a few times in Swarm Disaster that when Xipe ascended and absorbed Ena, multiple civilizations mention their suns blinking out. This leads me to ponder if this act, of 'diluting' ole Tazzy is the entire reason Xipe was born, as if something about this task wasn't possible for, as Jade would put it, two different kinds of Order.
- And speaking of Tazzy's dilution - and I can't even take credit for this next part, I'm just paraphrasing part of a much larger theory that Ashikai did about a month ago. But I've recently come to adopt that Qlipoth's Path, like pretty much all of the paths in Star Rail, is at least a 'slight' misnomer. Its definitely Preservation, but Qlipoth's very active and violent transformation and imprisonment of Tazzy would imply that its not 'Stasis' but rather a kind of...loseless exchange of energy. Or in other words, a preventive counterforce to Entropy (which...would make the IPC basically a galaxy sized Anti-Entropy faction-goddamnit).
- The final thing that caught me is that Oroboros completely disappeared in the middle of its scrap with Tazzy, and hasn't been sense since. Annoyingly, I'm writing all of this spur of the moment, so I can't find this exact passage again, but I feel *SO* confident that I recall something about the Oroboros seeming to either rise or dive into a vast, black body of water...which, sounds very, *very* similar to how IX and the Nihility is often described...so....I don't really have a follow up to this. I only remember this so strongly because the idea's been stuck in my head for months but I still don't know what to do with it.
And that's everything! Um...sorry for hitting you with my insane, mad ramblings. Great video btw, looking for the next thing! ^^)/
- No you're not exactly wrong - Ena wasn't the one who caused the Order to take over. But it's been implied and it's my belief that the beliefs of humans (or halovians) can sort of influence the movements of the aeons - it's my belief that Idrilla merged with Xipe, same as Ena, because people began to view Beauty, not by a strict standard, but as somewhat synonymous with Harmony - and in the same way Order went from being viewed as strict adherance to a system of roles and regulations and more a system in which everyone works with each other without conflict according to their nature. These are ideas which have started to surface in the real world in general in the past few decades, and so it's a logical progression for characters which are meant to represent these ideas. But especially with Idrilla, it's explicitly said (I think by Himeko during the Argenti quest?) that the Beauty was one thing, and then *people began to believe differently* and so the Aeon of beauty began to change. All that to say, I do believe the "lower species" (lower than the Aeons I mean) can influence the Aeons themselves, and although Ena was completely Assimilated into Xipe, the fact that there was a fundamentalist group on penacony basically began to cause a schism within the person of Xipe, so Ena began to sort of "reawaken" or separate herself from Xipe. Sunday's goal didn't seem to be to ressurect her though. It was more like he was going to become an aeon himself (and he almost did it - the "Embryo of Philosophy" was him beginning to ascend).
- Of course I'm partial to my own theory about the suns, what you're saying is logical though except for the last part. Xipe was very much alive and active before the swarm disaster, and if my memory serves, was recruited into the fight by Ena.
- I like that summary of Qlipoth's nature, and it fits in well with what we know about previous hoyoverse games. Anti-entropy makes a lot of sense. But the IPC isn't following a philosophy of anti-entropy either way.
- I'm going to do some more videos about Oroboros, so stay tuned for that - you're not wrong in what you've said there, but there's a lot more to it, I just didn't have time for it in this video.
Thank you so much for this comment! It's really good and thought-provoking!
@@iamemamaebeauty can be seen even in bad things,harmony Constantly bring Peace,i don't think they are connected at all
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 I disagree - beauty can be found in bad things, but that beauty is tied to how the bad *harmonizes* with the good, how it brings closure, how it ends cycles, or maybe you're talking about the beauty of even flickering fire or something of the like. Harmony isn't limited to what is peaceful either.
@@iamemamae i disagree It you Xipe Harmony is literally about peace and joy for all
@@iamemamae in Swarm Disaster we see Aha complimenting how good Xipe looks now after absorbing Ena implying that it's not only after Ena was absorbed but also that it either happened recently or Aha hadn't had a chance to interact with them since it had happened
but also its fucking Aha so who knows bro lmao oof
Hey Ema just wanna say that you deserve mad props for taking the admittedly complex star rail lore, and explaining it in such a uniquely and funny way. Like every joke in this vid lands and I makes the lore so much more enjoyable!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Lol I didn't expect a random Mumbo to show up here xD
And I loved that theory, I'm always impressed how much you cook with those and am looking forward to all the new ones you're coming up with :D
Haha! I'm a longtime fan of the minecraft man. Glad you got the reference.
I'm so glad you enjoyed! I look forward to putting out more!
Thing is, all for the amber lord still fits, as then its instead one encased within amber
EXACTLY
BANGER THEORY
another thing i noticed that could lead to this (might've already been mentioned) is the achievement where you get 10+ blessings of preservation in sim uni which just so happens to be called "MILLENNIUM BUG IN AMBER" (though millennium bug means computer error but still)
Yo? I didn't know that? That's a really interesting choice of name for that achievement! It could just be a reference to Qlipoth encasing the bug in amber, but either way, it's so interesting.
I really love this video! Although I overall disagree with the theory as I'm a firm believer that all of those bad things ARE part of Preservation as we truly don't know what 'Preservation' is for Qlipoth, at best we can only come to guesses on what they've done so far but we will never know as we can't ask them.
This video was really made well alongside all of the visuals! It's very nice, informative, and not at all boring to watch through! It's amazing! Keep up the great work!!
Here's the thing, I'd be willing to believe you except that it's EXPLICITLY stated in the game that the IPC is going against Qlipoth's ideals of preservation.
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I’m feeling some Shield, Hydra parasite scheme going on again with IPC after watching this video
Great video! When I was making my own videos dedicated to Aventurine Topaz and Jade, I definitely noticed how much their terrible actions were done with the means of expanding their reach and take stock of everyone on the planets they essentially conquer. I really like your theory on how they're essentially becoming a second Swarm, that's super interesting. The idea that the game is building up its larger narrative in the background is great storytelling, allowing each planet to stand out with own main narrative while simultaneously building up something greater, kinda like how shonen anime like One Piece are structured.
I've only watched a little bit of one piece, but I definitely see what you're saying. They're doing an INCREDIBLE job with this story!
Just this week I connected some dots and thought the IPC could be serving The Voracity. Cause consumerism = consuming = eating = voracity.
However, your theory does make sense. The kinda symbiotic relationship between Voracity and Propagation (one gives endless meat to fill the other endless hunger) always amazed me...
There ARE links between Jade and the Ouroboros though, so I feel there's more in the IPC than just spreading (The Propagation) currency. Currency means nothing without the people hunger (The Voracity) for things they lack or need (or think they do).
This is explored in a side quest in Penacony with that one weapons seller that sold guns to people who had their worlds invaded by other folks she sold other weapons to. She created the demand while also offering the solution.
There's also something I saw about Qlipoth being a metaphor for the Principle of Conservation of Energy and how, by diluting the Propagation concept and converting Ena into Xipe, it showed THEY are not exactly about Preserving, but rather transforming without losses - he's pictured as a forger, after all, with a flaming core and a hammer.
In this same video I saw that theory, though, it was proposed that Qlipoth fused The Order, The Propagation and The Beauty to create The Harmony (a three-headed divinity). There are clear ties between Ena and the Old Testament God and Xipe and the New Testament God.
How it connects with the IPC serving The Propagation instead escapes me. Maybe these two theories are irreconcilable, but I believe both may be onto something... Food for thought.
If you don't do it already, I'd suggest you to swap notes with Lalody from Lalody's Lore channel. She called well before (spoiler for current Trailblazing Continuance Mission on the Xianzhou) that Taoran and the preceptors were behind many of the plot holes in the previous Xianzhou arc.
Notice, I never said they DIDN'T serve Voracity :) It's just not the focus of the video
I'll be releasing a youtube short on the topic soon
New viewer here from this video popping up on my recommended. I've wanted to learn more about HSR/ refresh my knowledge and this channel is perfect. The editing and overall video quality is so much higher than the 8k sub count would suggest. Thank you for the amazing video.
This theory is absolutely insane, so well put together as well!!!
(Also potential leaks spoilers)
If the leaks are right, Luocha and his coffin is going to be a PROBLEM
I don't discuss or take leaks into consideration in my theories. I try to avoid them at all costs. I'm glad you like the video!
@@iamemamae that's a good choice (sorry i didnt know), looking forwards to the next video!
The IPC obviously follows Elation with all those follow-up attacks 😂
PFFT XD Conclusive proof if I've ever heard it
1:55 MUMBO JUMBO SPOTTED
i have a few things abt the ipc
-the astral express feels like its too buddy-buddy with the ipc
-topaz is the ipc's star child, she's seen that they can do good and genuinely believe in their ability to do so despite their 'planet restoration' efforts only being ~60% successful. from the newest myriad trailer, topaz's poster looks like a recruitment poster.
-i have a feeling the aeonic war will kick off due to the actions of the IPC(they can profit off of medical aid, weaponry, defense etc).
-maybe we'll destroy the cast iron throne?
-if the ipc wants total control of the cosmos, who's to say there isn't Order lurking in the IPC(but i doubt this bc of how prevalent the order was in penacony, it feels kind of redundant)
-maybe theres enigmata thrown into the ipc since they refuse to fund any research to figure out the universe before their beloved qlipoth
-hoyo is now starting to throw in elements of voracity. in penacony theres a readable in the banquet hall of the radiant feldspar and it has a list of dishes. one of them is momentary voraciousness, if memory serves, and its written in red text. also it doesnt help that when i played SD, my first aeon encounter was ouroborous. theres a leak do to with the voracity which i will leave out(mainly bc it could be false and spoiler-y)
-why are their only 10 stones active? we know from topaz that each stone has its own gifts, what aventurine can do is different from topaz or jade, but what is preventing them from using all of them? is it because when they are all used, tazzy's coming back?
-i want to believe the astral express fights the ipc, if what you said is right, and the ipc is acting in the interest of the propagation, then the express could be something like the voracity?
EDIT
-what reason does the ipc have to research into the borisin and mecha versions of borisin. what are they trying to prepare for?
the ipc is definitely shaping up to be a bigger threat and we can't do anything to stop them right now
YES IT IS THE MINECRAFT MAN! He's so cool XD
- I agree. Astral express needs to back the heck off.
- Topaz is definitely the bait for a lot of groups. She's chill, and then you agree to her terms and she doesn't realize the devastation that happens in her wake cause the IPC (and my money's on Jade specifically cause we SAW THIS HAPPEN on Penacony) shields Topaz from the horror that they actually do. Topaz will be devastated if she ever finds out.
- Mhm, IPC will profit from any war that happens.
- Mmmmmaybe. Pull a GOT and burn it with dragon fire or something.
- There are a LOT of different paths represented in the IPC by different members, but they all bow to Qlipoth. There's been a thought thrown around that they're maybe trying to take over the paths too.
- Enigmata is definitely in there too.
- I have a lot of thoughts about Voracity actually. I didn't include them in this video, but I think there was a sort of merge that took place before Propagation and Preservation, if ya catch my meaning. Also, thanks for not sharing leaks. I avoid them as much as possible.
- I don't know why it's only ten. Maybe Diamond is keeping his cards close to his chest, since the other departments of the IPC aren't exactly friendly with them, and they need bargaining chips that others wont expect.
- I don't think Voracity and Propagation are currently as opposed as they look, but yeah I do firmly believe that the Express will be opposed to the IPC the further we get in the story.
And your edit...
- It has little to do with the Borisin and EVERYTHING TO DO with destabilizing the Xianzhou. The Xianzhou is one of the few factions that's managed to stay allied with the IPC without becoming dependent on them, and that's not good enough for the IPC, they want to CONTROL the Xianzhou, not just be able to ring them up when they need them. The Borisin are their key to doing that. My guess is the IPC is going to try and do a "swoop in and save the day" move like they've tried on Belobog and Penacony, but the thing is, the Express keeps cleaning up messes before the IPC can claim credit for the victory. So...we might become a problem for the IPC somewhere down the line.
@@iamemamae i cant believe i didnt think the ipc would try to destabilize the xianzhou but omg it makes so much sense, *thats* why they wanted to buy aurum alley. also the ipc trying to control the paths theory is also such a really good future plot-line, i really hope its true.
maybe we'll reach to a point where the ipc orders a hit on the astral express, or one fo our members(most-likely mc cos.. theyre the mc) to cut their losses
im only good with mcrp lore LMAO
@@its_dark_girl9811 I mean they've already acted very aggressively towards the Express on Belobog, but to be honest we were in their way.
I’ve always thought the IPC symbol looked more like an insect than Qlipoth, but I didn’t make the possible connection… Love this theory!!
If we talking the influinnce on the universe and Preservation (ironically), most of neutral Preservation comes mostly from Diamond Alliance faction as we know it as a fact, yeah (tho they still was voting if they will be Preserving or ignoring the victims of Aeon War in Ave Trail). Some of the other factions of IPC and especially Oswaldo's one is a very bad news. And yeah, we dont know if ironically the Voracity, Oroboros (the Leviothan against whitch Qlipoth also buiding the Wall) is what those folks are currently secretly (or unknowingly) follow.
The reason why I'm not entirely sure about Diamond is, the stuff the Stonehearts do was done under his leadership. So either he isn't aware of their actions or he doesn't have as much power as we've been led to believe. I'm not sure what to think of it yet.
It’s all fun and games until someone with the Abundance stops focusing on their paths more obvious aspects and uses it to give Qliphoth a larger attention span.
very good theory, i'm on board!!
Imagine if, in the future, when the ipc does decide to revive the Swarm aeon, he would be also shaped by the Qliphoth and just comes to him and starts helping him with the wall? And the sleeping dad would finally wake up, saying to the bug "nice job", and the ipc would go crazy after not getting any admiration for their work. Imagine how funny that would be.
Or, like, Qliphoth being the new swarm disaster. Also valid option.
Anyways, nice video, another emanator of erudition.
And also, I do not care how bad their means can be, I wanna get into the IPC. Glory to the IPC, glory to.... Uh, idk which aeon
I appreciate the "Emanator of Erudition" comment, thanks XD
Fair enough about wanting to be in the IPC. And hey, whether it's the Lord made of Amber or the Lord encased in Amber, it's "All for the Amber Lord" either way XD
I think everything in the video made perfect sense except for the part where you said that the cornerstones were parts of the aeon of propagation.... I say this because I think it was made known that the cornerstones were powers that were given by diamond himself and that he was an emanator of preservation. Although this still plays into the theory aforementioned, in the penacony quest, Adventurine's cornerstone was actually destroyed so if technically a part of the propagation was inside the cornerstone, it would've been released because of it being decimated. This is just what I think however, so I personally thought that this was sort of a hole in that last part of the theory. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this tho!!!!
We were told that Diamond got the cornerstones directly from Qlipoth and they hold "the power of an emanator" but part of the video was that I'm wondering if he was lying, and that even though the Cornerstones did originally come from Qlipoth, Diamond lied about being given them directly, and simply just found them. We don't actually know that much about Diamond. We've been told he's an emanator of Preservation, but so far, I don't really have a reason to believe he even exists. There are so many questions yet to be answered. As far as the Aventurine stone being broken - we didn't actually see it get broken. It was brought into Penacony broken, which means if there was something inside, it was released when we didn't see.
So yeah, still a lot of unanswered questions, but we'll get more answers the more we go along.
This is an amazing theory 😮
I have never thought of this i just think that the 10 stone hearts lead by diamond who realized the ipc is not helping their aeon so they will start a civil war in the ipc so that they can eventually win and become an ally to the trailblazers in the endgame style war that will be sure to happen againts the big bad of the story Nanook.
mmmm I honestly am not sure that Nanook is gonna be the big bad. We'll find out, but I think this guy isn't as much destruction as we've been led to believe
just wanted to say i appreciate the subtitles so much :D thank you
No problem!
I think the most likely paths would be Erudition or Order. I think Erudition because of the focus on “logic and strategy.” I believe Order, because it’s a hive mind.
This is SUCHH a cool theory!! Star Rail lore is so mind-blowing, I'm honestly terrified of the storm on the horizon and whatever is cooking. I can't help but think about how intimately tied so many of the Aeons and their followers are, and following 2.5, what Ruan Mei is doing
Firefly is definitely not a fan of a new swarm disaster lmao.
OK I'm sold on the overall theory. The IPC following the Propagation certainly makes sense.
Looking events with this theory certainly makes things more interesting and alarming.
I was already worried about Ruan Mei researching leviathan fossils but now it's more terrifying. The Question is: is she doing it for her own interests or the IPC's? Ether option is scary but worse if it is for the IPC.
I really can't wait until we meet Oswaldo and Diamond. I really think we need to make our own opinions on them before we have any idea on who to trust.
We know the Stonehearts are getting ready for war but now I'm not sure what side they're on.
I haven't looked into Ruan Mei specifically, only her association with other storylines and theories, but from the little I've seen in passing, that woman is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS - She seems to be trying to become an aeon herself, or maybe even something greater than an aeon by creating one if that's even possible (Nous the Aeon was created by someone, I think she's trying to do something some similar).
I'm curious to see how the Stoneheart stuff plays out. I believe Aventurine is trying to break the cornerstones to take away Diamond's power because he believes Diamond is to blame for his family's deaths, and that's a theory I've had for ages. Can you imagine what happens if he succeeds????
@@iamemamae I've long thought that Ruan Mei is probably the most dangerous person that we've met thus far. Her ambition, intelligence, and lack of empathy is a terrifying combination.
Yah can certainly see Aventurine trying to contermind Diamond given his history and personality.
I have some idea about the Stonehearts bouncing around my head right now but they haven't completely formed yet.
I just feel that Jade giving the invite to the Stelleron Hunters, Aventurine teaming up with Boothill, and Topaz making a connection to the Nameless is important (Jade did mention specifically that she approved of the Jarilo VI negotiations because it put them in the Nameless's good grace's).
Each Stoneheart we've seen thus far has extended their hand to another faction in the game.
Of course each one of them may have done it for their own reasons but since it's now a trend we've seen with all three (currently) of the major IPC members makes me think there's something more to it.
Mhm, you're making good points. But this once again goes against Qlipoth's mission - he is an Aeon of barriers as well, keeping civilizations separate. The IPC is running directly counter to that.
@@iamemamaeimo Aventurine and Diamond are in quite good terms, afterall he was nothing but a slave to the IPC untill Diamond recruited him, and they both share an enemy which is Oswaldo. I'm getting a sense that there's currently a power struggle within the IPC, considering that the strategic investment department won another vote from the seven board members after their mission in Penacony. I'm leaning more on the theory that Diamond, as the emanator of preservation, is trying to cleanse the IPC from its corruption and preparing for the upcoming war among Aeons
I'd like to think hsr playable characters are not inherently evil except some super shady ones like Sparkle and Luocha but like Jade really didn't give anything away about her intentions at all and she looks the most sus out of all by being Lucifer like. I don't know if they can turn her character around.
Can’t waittt 2 see ur hoyo connection vid omll!!
I don't comment on videos often but I just wanted to say you are like the Matpat equivalent of HSR to me, I absolutely love your theories and energy and it reminds me so much of him!! Ever since watching the Aventurine theory video, I've been hooked and your theories and evidence sounds so compelling I can't help but think, "no way, that's absolutely gotta be true."
ON ANOTHER NOTE, I LOVE THIS THEORY VERY MUCH AND THE CORNERSTONE REVEAL HAD ME GAPING LIKE A FISH THAT GOT DRAGGED OUT OF WATER!!! It really made me think, "oh gee, everything actually is connected to Scott Cawthon's masterpiece of a decade ago and WALLS" and I've always been wondering what the IPC, a company that has "Peace" in the name and basically rules the economy, been actually working and waiting towards for. I would not be surprised if this theory becomes canon or at least a part of it canon. You cooked and served a gourmet meal, this is and will be my dinner for the week, thank you chef
Thank you so much!!! Matpat is one of my favorites ever, and it's so cool to know people associate my videos with his :,)
Love how you used the subnautica's leviathan to portray star rail's "leaviathans"
Those fish haunt my nightmares XD
I'm so glad someone else picked up on how god awful Topaz was in that Belobog questline.....
This theory was a lot of fun and I LOVE where your brain went yes yes gimme all the crack theories!!!!
Also, Qlipoth as a 'husk' is supposed to be that which... surrounds the Kabbalah (tree of life), which is a map of god = existence. They should be responsible for all of the firmaments around the planets, and biblically the firmaments are supposed to separate the sky water from the planetary water (broken firmaments cause floods). Honkai also often refers to space as an ocean, too. You know how our planet-themed relics have those domes around them? I think that is the effect of Qlipoth, as is the ball surrounding the universe in Ena's art.
Yeah, I did a little research into the Kabbalah when making this, it's really fascinating!
I can‘t believe this was only recommended to me now. This theory was incredible and I think I‘m gonna have nightmares about this😂
I haunt your dreams
Amazing video as always, you absolutely blew my mind Ema.
Thank you!!!
Ooooooh I’ve been so excited for this one!
I hope it lives up to your expectations!
@@iamemamae MY MIND WAS BLOWN!!! It was amazingly put together and I enjoyed every second! Great work! :D
@@dancingwholeness Thank you!!! I'm so glad you liked it!
@@iamemamae you’re welcome! :)
Hopefully this theory won't get put in a *'coffin'* too soon.
Because honestly I actually quite like it.
i remember hearing in the penacony yatch that the ipc looked for protection by controlling everything. i thought that what they meant was that, because of how swarm disaster ravaged everything, the aeon of preservation changed his objective from "keeping civiliztions alive" to "making sure people do survive". even if the aeon of propagation was sealed, the destruction was born, which promised a similar level of threat. But because Nanook uses estellarons to cause internal conflict (similarly to the ipc) the very civilizations became a danger to both themself and the others. therefore, he decided to sacrifice individuality/freedom for protection, creating one single civilization that´s bound to survive when Destruction launches an all-out attack. The reason why they recruit so many planets is to make sure no stellaron or emanator hides and causes an uprising against it, to increase the number of people to form part of his culture, and to increase the survival chances. on that note, they also develop weapons of destruction to destroy Destruction followers, similar to how Lan and the Xianzhou constantly go after the mara struck.
"It's like space Amazon! ... if Amazon was also the IRS."
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 (😂)
THE IPC VIDEO IS FINALLY OUT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
This now takes the cake as my favorite theory on your channel. I hope that it eventually becomes reality in-game :)
Keep up the amazing work as always bud :)
YOOOOOOOO I'M SO GLAD YOU LIKE IT!!!!!
my first video of yours and loveeeee your editing and vibe!! not even getting into the theory itself holyyy consider me subscribed
Thank you so much!!!
Impressively well done! It clicked when you first mentioned the ambers, and my jaw dropped. Total chills, and an excellent video :]
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Heeeyy, I missed you Ema! Great video to look forward to the future of the story! Also, now that I've tried making videos myself, I can really appreciate how amazing your editing is! 👍🏾
Thanks, Shadow! It's good to see you!!!
So what you're saying is the cornerstones are the dragonballs and Ol' Tazzy is doomsday Shenron.
Also, on a different note, I've always thought that the IPC's emblem strangely looks like an insects head. The theory that the IPC is the new swarm just solidifies that point forward.
Yep! I made a whole short about how the Logo specifically looks like - not just any insect - but a BEE. And there's a hexagon pattern that we see often in the IPC stuff. Bees and swarms go hand in hand :)
Thanks for the video, another theory that I can tell my friend so they keep looking at me like I’m some sort of crazy being (Black Swan IS Razalina you must believe me and I assure you that Misha was the victim of the bite of ‘87 or something. A trustworthy woman on the internet told me that, you should check her vid- WAIT DON’T RUN AWAY).
But really, good job on all the researching and putting all the pieces together. Also the editing and the script are top notch as usual!
PHAHAHAHAHA! I'm so glad you're enjoying and talking about it with friends!
I think one big fact that we all forget is that a follower of a path does not need to follow the aeons belief, because while the IPC does not follow qlipoth standards they rlly don't have 1, the same can be said about destruction, hunt, while hunt hates abundance n hunts abominations, Lan also destroys everything. The eminators of hunt don't always follow Lan n their belief like general Jing yuan who is a eminator of hunt but sources the erudition, fu zuan a preservation source but follows hunt. While this idea isn't also a far fetched idea either since alot can fly with hsr lore, I think the fact that followers do not need to follow the aeons belief
Mhm this is true - the path that a character follows has more to do with their method in battle than their philosophy.
Oh I almost forgot abundance followers like sanctus and the borision are more like destruction n yaoshu also seemingly has a tendency to be more destructive than healing, n both followers/eminators are also very destructive in nature. As for the cornerstone idea that would be a funky idea since aventurine did shatter his and he states that his cornerstone is a far cry from its original power which we can assume that the aventurine stone has lost significant tazzy parts/power making that idea viable but not viable as well
@@sejikurosu7626 Mmm I disagree on part of this - the Aeons themselves don't necessarily stand for the simple concepts we assign to them. The people of the star rail galaxy have titled them "Aeon of ______" but their actual goals may be a bit different. They are giant cosmic beings, but they are people, not just concepts, and are therefore allowed a level of complexity.
@@iamemamae that's also true
Tbh IPC lowkey became Voracity's followers. Endless gluttony for worlds
Oh yeah, Voracity's still in there, but not alone :)
I KNEW I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THERE WAS NO WAY THE IPC REALLY FOLLOWED PRESERVATION
Great theory as always. Honestly makes you wonder how much each Stoneheart knows because as you say Jade and maybe Opal would probably know considering their position but the other ones I’m not sure
omg you might be my new fav hsr lore giver and theorist honestly. you brung up things I didn't even know and ideas that just make sense ITS SO GOOD please keep up the good work!!!!!
Thank you so much! That's high praise! I'm so glad you enjoy :)
Wait! It's all wall??
Always has been...
your theories are always so interesting. any thoughts about the worm theory? (ie. ratio's relationship with the noblesse worm and aha)
uh.....what?
@@iamemamae haha yes definitely the appropriate first impression. idk all the details but generally there's a theory going around that ratio was sent to infiltrate the genius society (unknowingly or not) by aha and failed (aha vs erudition beef goes crazy). this isn't the first time aha's pulled this stunt, and even sparkle says something about wanting to infiltraite the genius society herself etc. a lot about how ratio is very aligned subtextually with the masked fools/aha (his colour scheme for one; that one suspicious divuni equation about the erudition+elation (the elation path as a whole...); his role in the 'mundane troubles' quest was very sparkle of him; his og design having a very obvious mask; his penacony sticker description; the fact that "allegedly" the next planet is greek inspired and who's our resident greek inspired character we virtually know nothing about?) all conjecture at this point but knowing aha. well.
when i noticed tha amber preserve insects in the first minutes of the video i had a literrally mind blowing🤯
So here is something i'd like to say. Maybe the propagation isn't directly controlling qlipoth but has changed the concept of preservation in its root, and maybe through the corner stones it fused with qlipoth since it has become a part of his body. So now the preservation wants to spread as far and wide to preserve anything, and make more things to preserve by putting its influence over more planets through the ipc?
YES. YOU GET IT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING FOR.
Sadly since the end of this update has given us some other details that might disprove some of the things you said. But what i would say is that we know paths merge and can take over one another through unknown means yet. But this might still lead to the concept of preservation still spreading to propagation (as propagation is a way of preserving living beings) soo maybe the ipc aren't the only ones to have relation to this, but i think your theory is awesome and thanks for confirming my previous understanding of what you said. Btw related to the merge i am unsure how the people or even emanators do know of the event of a merge happening (i am not someone who read all the lore yet😅) i wonder if it might be possible that an event of a path being absorbed by another to be hidden from the universe...
@@bluedaniels3 I'm talking about it in the next video. It looks like it's been disproven on first glance, but when you actually think about it and understand the backgrounds of a few key characters, it actually PROVES quite a few points of this video, and the ones that it doesn't prove are still fairly plausible. Can't wait to talk about it!
Bro imagine the nickname/title 'Amber Lord' is actually talking about Tazzyronth. Qlipoth doesnt really remind me of amber, I mostly equate him with gold/earth. Your theory has ringed the alarm bells for the true reason why they refer to their Aeon as the amber lord
It's CRAZY cuz i have never seen quipoth in the ipc logo it all the swarm... Also i didn't leven knew THAT was the ipc logo
YOOOO THIS COOKS!!!
i really wanna see a grandiose scene with the swarm kings revival
SAME THO. I want cinematic levels of epic in this game. We've already been given that to an extent, but that would just take it to another level!
2:40 this right here, with how Diamond is portrayed with him being neutral and "only the results matter" makes me think that only him out of the other Seven Board Members care about Preservation since The Ten Cornerstones are all one stone contaminating the power of a Preservation Emanator split into ten with Diamond himself likely being the Emanator.
This explains why he's against the other factions within the IPC because they aren't about Preserving anymore - namely Oswaldo's.
GUYS, WHAT IF THE AMBER LORD REFERS TO "THE LORD THAT IS IN AMBER" AKA TAYZZYRONTH? 😱
EXACTLY
I’ve been trying to find topics aside from FNaF to watch videos on, and then the opening music
That being said, it fits the IPC to a T.
So I’m gunna need about 20 more videos a month please! Possibly laying out all world lore like you did here for us dummies in the back :)
I WOULD IF I COULD!
arent all aeons refered to as all caps THEY/THEM, Qlipoth included?
Yep, you're correct - I just forgot until after I had already recorded
I've now made a note about it in the description. Thank you for reminding me.
Big ups for saying "omg the filler patches are important"
I JUST FINISHED PLAYING THE PATCH OH MY GOODNESS
Great video as alway E^.
I like to point out 3 thing:
1. A faction and an Aeon are similiar in that both operated on a set of iron protocol. While concious judgement matter sometime, 90% it didn't.
2. There are 2 main way Aeon affect mortal: Direct Event & Protocol Inspiration, and the later is how a faction are created in HSR. A group of people look at the Aeon's Protocol and act upon it.
3. A faction's oparation protocol can change, and while Aha or HooH have a hand in making it happen, it the mortal who have the final judgement and carry out the action.
Maybe it HooH who guide the butlet that almost kill Robin, but it Sunday's and his family decision to abandon Harmony and be inspired by Aeon/Ideal of Order.
HSR at the end of the day are the story of people and their story, not the god. The fact that the IPC, who claim "All for the Amber Lord" but more inspired by "the Ambered Lord", Qilipoth's Opposite, is quite a tragedy.
So, i think it less "our CEO are brainwash by magic space bug" and more "damn, we let our greed guide us to do a 180° of our god" is the reason why the IPC acting like a new swam.
Finger cross on IPC CEO actually mind control by a magic space bug, this still a fantasy game after all.
@@Koscacio i agree It you makes no sense at all How ipc follows voracity or Propagation,why they would seek to revive It when this would Destroy ALL the things they are on Control right now?
Banger. I have a prediction that Ruan Mei will be ascending to an Emanator of Abundance
Now THAT I can get on board with. She's trying to become an Aeon but accidentally becoming an Emanator doesn't look out of the question.
@@iamemamae idk how Yaoshi hasn’t gazed at her tbh. All she does is cultivate, create, reanimate and even simulate life. The cherry blossoms during her ult are kinda sus too lol
My GOD how can you make each theory more exciting than the last? I love this theory! I just don't think the 10 stonehearts actually would have the pieces of Tezziroth, it feels like something way too powerful go give to just 10 members on a section of the IPC (And it wouldn't be so easy to break one like Aven did). But i could see the pieces being given to the higher ups, and maybe Diamond used his to create the 10 corner stones.
I mean we already know the stonehearts contain the power of an emanator, we just assumed we knew which one before it was confirmed :) :) :)
Someone get this woman more subs! This is INSANE! You are a legend for this
Thank you!!!
This theory is insane and has me so hyped for Star Rail’s future.
I’ve said for a while now that Bronya deserves a second 5* and would hopefully be as an Eminator of the Preservation, it’d be interesting if Belobog comes in and sets the followers of Preservation back on track
Oh yeah Bronya needs some love. She's an incredible character.
I personally don't think they are being corrupt. Maybe some but i definitely think THEY KNOW. aventurine also implies he could follow any path he wanted so ikd if the powers are really coming from the path
Fascinating theory! I would not be surprised if we got a Swarm Disaster Two Electric Bugaloo due to the IPC's shenanigans, definitely seems like something they would bring on themselves lol.
But also this makes me slightly more curious about the supposed "fate" that Elio and the finality bring. Like, we got this crazy thing that could end in a universal war, Aeons coming back from the "grave", and quite frankly ALL of the Nihility if they ever do something, but the thing we need to worry about the most is "eventually Facing Nanook". Then again, it would make sense that if the second Swarm Disaster happens, Nanook would step in like the Voracity but destroy EVERYTHING in the process, rather than just 2/3, so that tracks. But yeah, it makes me curious that Nanook is supposedly the biggest problem we are ever going to face, and not any of the other Aeons, and more than anything, that Lan (or The Hunt) is going to be VITAL for this future. But idk, maybe I'm just spewing nonsense.
See I'm wondering if Nanook isn't the big bad we've been told they are. We've been TOLD a lot about them, but what we've SEEN of the Aeon theirself is just...it doesn't quite match up in my mind. Something's odd there.
Qlipoth (Donald J. Trump): We're gonna build a big, big WALL!!!
I was SO CLOSE to adding a joke along those lines XD
@@iamemamae lmao it would have made the video more hilarious 😂 if by chance on edit it out it would be so much funny
17:32 Ema would make a great Nous follower
I'm an Emanator of Paradox. I can be anything :)
Great video, though I think the reason why the IPC is looking for the Tazzy parts is to complete their Decied (killing God) plan with Ruan Mei, Jingliu and Loucha.
Also I think this needs to be pointed out: if Qlipoth never interacted with the IPC from the first place, why would the organization be affected by changes with their Aeon whom they never even got a glance to begin with?
So my answer would be that some of the board members (except for Diamond) are following another Aeon.
We all know Oswaldo worships Akivili so then that leaves us with the others.
My guess is Voracity.
Ideologically the current IPC is very consumerist based and is heavily about money and other hedonistic behaviors.
One of the Stonehearts is hinted to be a Voracity insider, and them looking for fragments of Tazzy wouldn't be that weird if they know Oroboros' whereabouts and are planning to feed her with them instead of giving them to Ruan Mei.
this theory is so good man, subscribed
Thank you!
Y'know, i was seeing FGO's latest chapter (Ordeal call 3) and ereshkigal turned into a beast, and in her fight, the text for "preservation" is then changed to hoarding, and ever since that i was wondering... Maybe, like The Order, the IPC follow a forgotten path that could be related to being a Hoarder
That would be Voracity - related to greed :)
Here after the 2.5 story and HOLY SHIT. That's all I'm gonna say, but if you know, you know.
I DO KNOW WHAT THE HECK