OK THATS IT IM MAKING A SEELE/XUEYI VIDEO. Until I get that up, check out Seele's HI3 design in this animation - th-cam.com/video/xTK8P6vRiIg/w-d-xo.html Note the chest sigil, the use of color under her hair, and the use of chains. Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. YOU WILL TEAR THIS EXPY OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS. I know how to admit when I'm wrong, but IM NOT WRONG ON THIS ONE (I'm being intense 100% as a joke, guys XD)
Also, YES I also have been told now that the world in star rail is both a multiverse and not a multiverse (yes I know it's more complicated than that, imaginary tree and branches and leaves and planets), but FOR THE SAKE OF THEORIZING, I literally can't take that into consideration and have to just ignore it for now, so here we are. Thank you to everyone who told me :)
With Dr Mei being two hsr chars, Seele being two chars, Bronya being two chars I'm starting to wonder if there are more splits and maybe everyone from HI3 is split in some kind of way in hsr...
@@gingershrimpale According to HI3, each individual planet is sort of like it's own individual universe, and so each planet has its own variants. I'm not quite sure how to feel about that yet.
"Otto was a terrifying villain when you got on his bad side" "Aventurine is an Otto variant" ...all I heard is: go get popcorn for when Rine finally gers his revenge
Yes, sparkle is honkai impact 3rd main story. An no it's not another version of sparkle it's the same sparkle from hsr. She invited one of the characters from HP3rd to become a masked fool.
yeah but along with enigmata they are definitely gonna be a chaos factor for the lore like: It was aha all along or oops that part of history was actually erased and replaced sorry
I love to put expy tags on characters but even I did not put SeeleBron tag on Hanya and Xuyei and Otto tag on Aventurine, or Dan Heng being Joyce, also no Silver Wolf is not exactly variant of OG Bronya, she is very clearly variant of Bronie, while she herself is technically variant of Bronya Hoyo do make a big distinction between the two, I also highly doubt Pela being variant of Mei or Dr. MEI, she just looks similar, she have not even slightest hint of connection other than her hair colour. And just to add to the list of expys, Kafka is Variant of Stigma Character Kafka, Lingsha is Nuwa, hoyo gib Fuxi variant, and Rappa is Ishikawa, also stigma character
Copy-pasting from another comment I made - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :)" I've only played up through the sea of Quanta arc in HI3 sadly, so I don't actually know that much about Bronya, but I will push back on what you said - even Bronie is not strictly Bronya, she is herself a Bronya variant - different in key ways, but remixes of each other.
@@iamemamaeIn asia there is a culture of calling people who are older than you by 1-10 years big sister or big brother. Jiejie- big sister and gege- big brother. It has nothing to do with being relatives. If you were older than me by 1-10 years I’d call you jiejie because its culturally appropriate
@@iamemamae In the light cone "Under the blue sky", Xueyi originally look nothing like now though, and obviously look different than Seele when she is small.
@@iamemamae there is one more different between Xueyi and Seele, their weapon. Seele always use Scythe. Seele love using scythe in every multiverse. And Xueyi, sorry girl you not using scythe so even if hoyo said that she is seele expy, i will not accept it. Get this girl a scythe, then maybe i will consider😤😤😤
Good on you for taking a step back to scrutinize the previous video, after all discussion and critism is the lifeblood of theorycrafting. As much as diamond and luocha CAN BE written as the same person, a more meta reason i believe hoyo wouldnt is that they would want to populate the banners with new characters, especially a stoneheart (yes i know fugue and DHIL exists). Im glad that the current conclusion somewhat lines up with my comment in the previous video 😊 but hoyo, feel free to prove us all wrong.
There is no Multiverse, just one Universe. The Tree of Existence is a metaphor for the Universe, Branches are their own Worlds varying in size and should not be confused with Planets. Worlds are separated by Imaginary Barriers that can be only traversed by the Star Rails, Emanators/Aeons, and the Stargates created by the Cleaners. The setting of HSR takes place across various worlds connected by the Paths and Star Rails, the World of HI3/the Solar System was isolated for over a Billion years until recently. As Welt and Acheron said before they met countless people with similar faces across the Cosmos. Void Archives and Luocha are 2 different people.
Thank you so much for the super thanks!!! I'm aware of the nature of the tree of existence at this point...................I freakin hate it. I'm genuinely unsure how they plan to make this happen. Because we've had a bunch of different characters that visit other planets without having traveled on the star rail (Luka on the Xianzhou, the IPC representatives able to go freakin anywhere). For right now, my best course of action as a theorist is to ignore it as best I can until it becomes immediately relevant.
@@iamemamae The Star Rails is what enables casual inter-world travel, it is what almost everyone uses to travel to other worlds. Think of them as the Mass Effect Relays. While there are other easier ways to travel to other worlds than what the Emanators and Aeons do like the aforementioned Stargates used by the Cleaners/Ones Above/Sky People. There is another race known as the Sugars who are capable of Interworld Travel independent of Star Rails.
@@emperorcaligula9098 I prefer not to think of it for now. When it becomes immediately relevant, I will. For now this information is stored in a neat little locked box in the back of my brain :)
funnily enough, it now has become relevant because sparkle is in the hi3 universe now (plus that memokeeper). sampo also referenced going to have a "drink" with some friends in his last event, that drink w sparkle was an event in hi3 which means that they both are happening at the same time @@iamemamae
Well neither of them are master strategists who lost a figure at a young age, nor can they make things appear out of thin air with the help of magic tech so :/
I enjoy this kind of format where we can revisit previews video to discuss important points brought by the comments. I won't mind seeing some more of this if you want to!
Xueyi is not a Seele variant, Pela is not a Dr. MEI variant. There’s more to being a variant than just a vaguely similar design. Generally speaking, the rule for variants is similar design and same VA (CN and JP). There’s a few exceptions (like Hanser didn’t like doing adult Bronya voice, Yanqing is now a child) but generally speaking the rule holds. The only solid variants Star Rail have is Bronya and Silver Wolf, Seele, Cocolia, Himeko, Natasha, Acheron, Sushang, and Yanqing. Luocha is an Otto variant assuming he’s not Void Archives. Ruan Mei and Dr. MEI and Ayato and Otto are both borderline cases, with Ruan Mei sharing similar themes and the character 梅, while Ayato shares VAs with Otto and has an intelligence network that roughly translates to Apocalypse Order
I wrote this in reply to another comment - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi." The Xueyi/Seele connection is one that you cannot change my mind on. This is one of the most direct indirect connections you are going to find in this game. Looking at VAs can give us clues into who is who, but it's not foolproof and you're welcome to do that, but it's not foolproof. The problem is there are no actual "rules" when it comes to making variants. It would be easier to theorize if there were. When it comes down to it, the characters are the product of decisions being made in a writers room - and when you're just a writer having a conversation with another writer (and I say this AS A WRITER), you don't have to follow ANY rules. And either way, if I were to limit my theories ONLY to those kind of more solid connections, I feel like I'd lose the essence of what it means to theorize.
@@iamemamae I agree that VAs isn’t the end all and be all, but it’s a good place to start. And I will admit that my first thought about Xueyi was “Is this Seele?”, but after going through it, I’m inclined to think not. The themes of death and rebirth are interesting, but at best it makes her a borderline variant. I think it’s more likely that Xueyi took inspiration from Seele than her being a Seele variant. The thing is that Mihoyo is usually pretty blatant with their variants. If you look at all the different Bronya variants, they’re all very clearly Bronya’s. A variant isn’t just characters with similarities, it’s the same person in a different world. As in their DNA is the same, the only difference is their environment. That’s the importance of having the same VA, in theory you should sound the same regardless of environment.
@@nagamasatakasugi9375 Where it comes to Xueyi/Seele - see my pinned comment. I've copy pasted the same thing over and over now at least 10 times so I'm gonna just make a video about it eventually. That's one expy that I'm absolutely sure of though. That's what's odd here, I don't know why people don't see some of these as blatant because in my mind, they are.
@@iamemamae The easiest argument against Xueyi not being a Seele variant is the VAs being different. Unless there’s some external reason, they like to keep VAs consistent between variants. And they’re also rarely subtle with their variants, only Theresa/Kongming/Nahida to my knowledge don’t share very similar, if not the exact same name. Also, the term isn’t expy, it’s variant. Expys are for unrelated works, in the Honkai universe variants are the same person in different worlds. I recommend watching Homu Labs videos on Exploring the Honkai Universe.
I highly recommend playing HI3 if you use more of its lore in your videos. While the wikis are kind of there, SO much detail is missing. It's like... 15% as good as the HSR wiki, and the HSR wiki is also still missing things. And I just want to point out that we've known Luocha was an Otto variant since his release, because Otto literally goes by Luocha/Raksha in the shattered swords visual novel (the same one Sushang and Yanqing were introduced in). Aventurine, however, is not an Otto variant. While there's similarities, he's not a variant. If they do come out and say he is, I'll say my bad I was wrong, but Hoyo is pretty obvious when a character is a variant, and one key thing to note is the same VA in JP and CN (or both). I did see your comment abt the voice actors earlier, but it's a hugely important factor when identifying a variant. So far, Natasha, Seele, Bronya, Silver Wolf, Himeko, Sushang, Yanqing, Luocha, Acheron, Lingsha, and Kafka are the only variants we have. The others may take inspiration from them, but they aren't a variant. Also, I think the thing about the HSR vs HI3 universes is a little misunderstood, because they are the same universe. It's not a multiverse, it's all one giant imaginary tree. Earth is one leaf on this tree. Each world we go to in HSR is another leaf on the tree. These leaves are connected by the "star rail" that moves through imaginary space to connect worlds. Izumo's flamechasers/herrschers/divine keys very well could show up again in another future planet we visit, as they're all individual worlds. If you play HI3, you'll see notes from Acheron's story and how it's the same as HI3's main story, but they had their bad end. There was no safety net like Earth had to try again. But the worlds being one universe is how Welt and Void "got lost in space" together to find their way to HSR.
Unfortunately, I can't play HI3rd at the moment. I've played up through Bronya bringing Welt home from the Sea of Quanta, but I just don't have the storage space to do more :/ Trust me, I'm VERY aware of how bad the wiki is. I just have no way around it atm. :.( A lot of people disagree on the Aventurine/Otto thing, and I get it but I personally still think he's a variant. If I could change one thing in this video it would be to straight up say that Aventurine is closer to being a Void Archives Variant than he is an Otto Variant, but given the close connection between Void and Otto, I'll say it's close enough for now. And I know about the nature of the Honkai Impact 3rd universe, but as sucky as it is, the best thing I can do as a theorist for now until things start to collide is to ignore the fact that they're technically all different worlds. It's the only way I can wrap my head around it, to treat each world like another planet in a galaxy rather than each planet being a variation.
HOLD UP- I KNEW LOUCHA MIGHT BE AN OTTO VARIANT BUT NOT AVENTURINE??? Also I had no idea xueyi=seele variant. I could understand ruan mei being a dr mei variant but pela being one is… something like REALLY SOMETHING considering the things i heard dr mei do. So as zhongli and welt(which makes sense) and arlan and razer😭
Being an expy doesn’t necessarily mean they have the same personality as who they are based off of. It also means having a similar name or a similar appearance. Pela looks like dr mei but she isnt like her at all. Yae miko looks and is named after yae sakura, but they have different personalities. Mona and Tesla, Albedo and Einstein, theyre sort of different from each other but they both share a striking resemblance to one another.
I really don’t think aventurine or Xueyi are expys. Hoyo just likes recycling design elements. Doesn’t mean they’re supposed to intentionally connect. If they are expys, there’s gonna be something more substantial than just their designs to link them (like names or similar personality traits or backgrounds)
Yep! I love that theory so much - Aventurine and Otto have a lot in common, and it's super interesting. It would explain a lot about the faith Diamond puts in him if VA recognizes him. As for the Xueyi/Seele link, I'll copy paste what I wrote under another comment - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peekaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi."
Copy-pasting from another comment I wrote - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peekaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi." There does need to be a decent link for them to be considered a variant or an expy instead of just a similar character but uh, I'm fairly sure that's enough info to draw the connection pretty solidly.
Diamond being a 1:1 Kevin variant seems the most believable, they're the most preservation aligned characters in the entire hoyoverse. The thing about cornerstones being part of Qlipoths body comes from the purple 2.0 preservation trace material, but that info might also be false as it was nearly used as a decoy to fool Sunday by Aventurine
YES. THANK YOU! I forgot where I saw that detail with the Amber! I've been looking for it for ages! Yeah, I'm still on the lookout for Kevin. My problem is that we haven't actually seen Diamond do anything that aligns him with Preservation. We've been told he's an emanator and blah blah blah but I don't trust the IPC's marketing, and I also don't trust the Star Rail writers not to lie to us :) we'll see where things go.
@@iamemamae I'm a fervent believer in The Preservation (10 Stonehearts) vs The Voracity (Marketing Development Department) theory which is also why i belive in Diamond being a Kevin variant. His data bank quote also makes him seem like genuine Preservation follower
Highly recommend playing hi3, the story and lore is amazing and helps to understand alot of the hsr and genshin stuff through a new lense. I started playing it to learn more about the lore too and it quickly became my favorite of all the games. So much content to sift through including alternate game modes and mangas that it's definitely worth it for a lore lover and theory crafter. The gameplay is fun too (similar to genshin but 3 team members and more fast paced) once you get past some of the low res early chapters it really becomes amazing and the story is such a work of art. I really wish more content creators would give this game a chance. Anyways i really like these theory videos, very fun to watch. Keep it up
Unfortunately I can't play it at the moment :/ I don't have the space to download it and play, although I have in the past (I played up through Bronya's jaunt through the Sea of Quanta and bringing Welt home). I'm doin my best with what I've got. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
@@iamemamae storage limit is the worst I totally get it. And yeah the theories have been super fun. Was totally convinced as soon as you showed that golden hand connection. That was a good catch and I'm convinced it has to have been on purpose from them.
@@archivekoeun3052 Same. I found that entirely by accident. I was going through that old IPC Myriad Celestia looking for a good thumbnail and just HAPPENED TO LAND ON THAT ONE FRAME, and it was after a whole day of me examining Void Archives in that cutscene with Welt, so I was like WAIT HOLD UP and then the rest is history XD
I'm still recovering from the last video (It was too good) Also I've been subscribed since your 'Firefly is the MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER in Penacony!!!' video and ugh your videos are very fun to listen to!! Really good stuff
What’s a history fictionologist? Sounds like something you made up. I don’t trust people who make stuff up, unlike our erudite friend here, whose brilliant thesis deserves a spot in the genius society.
I feel like people forgeting that void archive form are not permanent , its have the shape of a cube or a library then took human , he literally the bibliotheca 😂 Maybe he never left the train . . . 😮 Maybe he is the data bank RN , or even crazier POM-POM 🎉
@@iamemamae i believe MC was Akivili , since we share its POV in penacony and i just dont believe akivili made MC body for no reason maybe its been using artificial body like Void archive does but then failed 🫡 that how its disappear not died My Other theories are Stellaron is dying Aeon(Akivili) part/memory scatter around after its dies that why its somewhat sentient, that also why we can found them in every planet that akivili path on And since MC is Akivili's artificial body and have the stellaron , it would revive akivili after we encounter all the stellaron This is also explain why MC got sick and couldnt handle penacony dream at the start , because MC are incomplete Maybe that also why kafka do what she does and act friendly to us
@@owowo7623 See I like the theory that the Traiblazer is Elio (who is also highly connected to Akivili). I'm really interested in information about the Stellarons. I think they're going to be really interesting in the future.
i am not convinced on aventurine being an otto variant, as there are enough physical features different (eyes, hair) that he's his own character. plus, the person otto lost wasn't really a sister figure if you're referring to kallen kaslana. it's pretty clear that he's in love with her. same with pela and ruan mei (though it's possible dr. MEI is her mother, as her name is a mashup of her mother and her father), and hanya & xueyi. i don't think having similar features in either appearance or story makes someone an explicit variant from hi3rd-- you could kind of argue everyone is an expy if you do that. on another topic: it's interesting that you note aha as wielding a rapier. otto in hi3rd very frequently refers to himself as a "fool", to the point where one of the chapters in 'thus spoke apocalypse' (otto's big arc) is called 'dusk of a fool'. otto *also* had a kind of wacky adventure with sushang, who calls him "luocha" (meaning "raksha", an archaic chinese term for "foreigner").
Also the fact that we literally have an Otto expy in the form of Luocha and he is a one to one copy appearance wise. Her saying Aventurine is an Otto expy is a huuuge reach and just confirmation bias because he has blonde hair.
I've heard a lot of people go either way whether he was in love with her or not. Personally I like the perspective that he wasn't really in love with her but he idealized her. Either way, dynamics do work differently across the multiverse - she was important to him, someone he looked up to, and she died. I understand what you're saying but I very much disagree. Especially with Xueyi/Seele. This is like the 7th time I've copy pasted this but - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :)" I'm very interested in seeing the expansion on Otto's character. It's very clear he has some kind of link to the Elation, but exactly how that's gonna play out, I have no idea XD Excited for more!
@@leomatsubara8558 It's possible to have more than one Variant of the same character (again - Bronya/Silver Wolf, Seele/Xueyi - see my pinned comment).
I'm actually now wondering abt some of the "variants" that you mentioned bc I've never seen anyone else point out before: -Xueyi & Seele (or Veliona), just how? i don't feel like there's anything that relates this two characters either in name or design, also Hanya and Xueyi are twin sisters so Hanya couldn't be Bronya in that case -Dr Mei & Pela, they have similar designs (I'd say hairstyle mainly) but aside from that i don't see much connection. In the case of Ruan Mei maybe bc they're both scientists of sorts? but Ruan Mei's real name is unknown as her name is just her parent's name together -Razor & Arlan, white hair and electro, i dont see how they're related personally -Nahida & Theresa Apocalypse (from Hi3), both short and white hair but after that also see no correlation whatsoever -Dan Heng/Feng & Welt Joyce, what (i dont see any connections in anything really, besides i dont think personally that vidyadharian reincarnation is an equivalent to cloning) -Zhongli & Welt Yang, also what and how -Mavuika & Himeko, i can see why and i want to believe that Mavuika is a variant of Himeko but i also have my fair share of doubts (the only thing keeping my belief of it is the genshin webcomic with the mention of the Murata Clan and such but who knows really) I know this may seem like a comment with just negativity so I'm sorry if did came out that way, I'm actually curious abt the way these characters have any connection to each other because i sincerely just don't see it and would love to know abt what info ppl have abt them, because some others of course make sense like Venti (Genshin) and Wendy (Hi3/GGZ) or Yae Miko (genshin) and Yae Sakura (Hi3), to name some not mentioned in the video but the ones listed (with Mavuika and Dr Mei as the exceptions) are truly my first time hearing abt them lol
The lines drawn between variants are inherently very fluid, but I'll explain what I can. Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :) There isn't a lot of similarity between Pela and MEI aside from their visual similarities (but those haircut and glasses are very distinctive together). Ruan Mei is, just like Dr. Mei, a scientist with questionable morals. It doesn't actually matter what her real name is, because she goes by the same one as Dr. Mei. I don't know much about Dr. Mei as a character, though, so I can't say much. Razor and Arlan are, as you said, both Electro and White Hair, but they're both also extremely loyal to their found family (the wolf pack/Asta) someone we meet very early in our journey as the perspective character and they're both associated with either the wolves or a dog (Peppy). Nahida and Teresa aren't just short - they're both grown women trapped in the body of a child who nevertheless are seen as a mother figure to the young people around them. I've heard someone else elaborate more on this, but I haven't played Sumeru or much of Teresa's stuff in HI3 so I can't say more. Whether or not it's strictly cloning, Dan Heng is somehow both Dan Feng and his own person, which is a very apt description of cloning. Both Joyce and Dan Heng/Feng are beings of incredible power, and Dan Heng/Joey both are given that power way too young, and are both young men in the care of Welt Yang. They also have visual similarities with the dark hair and emerald eyes. Zhongli and Mr. Yang you've got me there. That's on vibes alone XD Mavuika and Himeko are ABSOLUTELY the same character - Mavuika's original name in development was Murata, and Himeko's name in HI3 is "Murata Himeko". Another Himeko variant in Genshin is actually Diluc. In Honkai Impact 3rd, Himeko is a dramatic firey greatsword wielder who's also an alcoholic, just like Diluc. I love her so much!
@@iamemamae Hey, thanks for the response~ On the Xueyi & Seele in terms of lore with Seele trapped in the Sea of Quanta and Xueyi trapped as a judge from the Ten Lords Commission (due to paying the price of her crimes back with the whole Abundance tree and abominations era yk), that feels I'd say like a more solid connection true, design wise i still feel skeptical, altough the sigils in their chests ig do hold some ground. Also yeah the "onee-san" part with Bronya, bc they grew together in a orphanage with Cocolia as their mother in Hi3. Tbf Seele (HSR) iirc does remind me of Veliona at times so if they shoved two characters into one they could've represented Xueyi and Hanya as if Seele and Bronya were actual sisters, but Hanya and Bronya are nothing alike none of the Bronya's I'd say like you've mentioned. So in conclusion, Xueyi - Seele has more credit than i first thought that i gotta give you, but I'm skeptical abt it iwkvkqkckkq Pelageya Sergeyevna and Dr Mei, yeah they're lookalikes i dont have anything to comment on that either, i first thought they were variants when i saw Pela but i saw no connections in anything sadly. And Dr Mei - Ruan Mei as character wise I'd say not much from my exp playing both games, name are the one connection though and who knows maybe will know Ruan Mei's real name in the future since she seems like she'll be important with Fugue/Tingyun and stuff. On Razor and Arlan can't comment much as these two are really forgettable characters imo kwkfkqkjg, but at least i can see your points, i could also add how they're both protective but ig that relates to being loyal really. Nahida - Theresa, i completely forgot abt Theresa's lore and her body iwivkakkckakkfka, and on the mother figure maybe with Nahida-Wanderer and Theresa-valkyries (cause in the early game stories she did tutor Kiana, Mei, Bronya and such so perhaps that comparable), aside from that i do feeo they're not related personally bc the deal with Nahida and the previous Archon doesn't have an equivalent in Theresa's case, besides how design wise there nothing alike and hoyo clearly loves lookalikes. With Dan Heng i do agree that he seems to be his own person but due to his reincarnation being messed with he remembers the stuff that Dan Feng did (as said in the latest HSR update), so he does to carry two personas with him. Also is the power and responsibility comparison a High Elder & Core of Reason what you mean or am i getting that wrong? The Welt part does align though i gotta say, although i cannot say the same for the visual part cause Danny seems to have black hair and emerald eyes but Joyce has dark blue hair with blue eyes. Tbf on the Zhongli situation, he is a mysterious man almost all of his lore is unknown, I've seen theories of him being a Shade sent by Celestia and other stuff irkqkgkwkkgkskg And on the Mavuika - Himeko, i beg that they're related personally bc i love Himeko aigikakgkkakg But the main issue i find is that the info abt Murata comes from the webcomic and that comic came around the beta of Genshin so things could've changed (like how Dottore seems like a dif guy all together for exmaple personally), we know that Venessa is a descendant from the Muratan Clan, and iirc there was an Archon at some point called Murata which could relate to her cause we know that the Pyro Archons were all humans with average human life spans, but aside from that nothing more (for now) cause we haven't seen any mention of the Muratan Clan for example which tbf may be long gone cause Venessa and that Clan appeared around 1000 yrs ago, and in the 5.1 quest it was basically stated that she's from the Scions of Canopy, at least another thing that correlates this too is that they both clearly have an affinity with a fate of death so fingers crossed she is Himeko but also that we won't have to cry again, like please my heart wouldn't be able to lose her once more iaigkqkkgkskgksk
I’d say Dan heng/feng and Joyce/joey is also questionable as from what I understand (correct me if I’m wrong) Joey has little to no memories from Joyce and seems to be his own person entirely
@@Randomytperson Like I said in the video, not everything has to be 1 to 1 (if it was, they wouldn't be a variant, they'd just be the same character). The point of a variant is that some things ARE different. In this case, Dan Heng was SUPPOSED to remember nothing, but got tampered with and now has both himself and Dan Feng in his mind.
I can explain Ruan Mei. She isn't an expy of Raiden Mei, just as Silver Wolf isn't Bronya. SliverWolf is Bronie, and Ruan Mei is MEI. Possibly even GGZ MEI - though that one isn't a confirmed expy. (Confirmed = same chinese VA + design elements + ideally japanese VA.)
My headcanon is that void archives came into the Starrail universe and encountered the aeons and was able to comprehend them which allowed him to copy finality and allowed him to go back in time to become diamond and luocha. Luocha is basically past void before encountering finality.
Luocha name is chinese nickname of otto apocalypse give to him by sushang when he was traveling with coffin in it a dead body and looking for reviving it.. so luocha is just pretty much a reference to that manga in honkai impact
Yeah no Luocha isn't Oswaldo as u can find an interactable shelf in the Seat of Divine Foresight with the possibility of giving u the "Ally - Interastral Peace Corporation Headquarters" dialogue, in it , there is information about Oswaldo. It says "Head of Marketing Development: Oswaldo Schneider, a board member candidate. He is inexperienced, a Preservation zealot, and an expansionist. Potential threat level to the alliance: High.". Based on this we can conclude that the Alliance knows exactly who Oswaldo is and its highly unlikely that they wouldn't immediately recognize Luocha as Oswaldo. Also its likely that Luocha's name is just Otto Apocalypse since its a reference to Sushang having trouble with his name in the Shatered Swords visual novel.
Knowing who he is doesn't necessarily mean they know exactly what he looks like and Luocha did a very good job of not interacting with anyone in power. And you forget - Jing Yuan DID recognize him almost immediately.
Can I propose a theory here for you to sink your teeth into? I think the IPC situation might be the opposite of Penacony. On Penacony we see confrontation between similar concepts (bad enough) but what absolute chaos would happen if one consept gets infused with an opposite consept? You previously proposed that Propagation might have taken root in Preservation after the swarm disaster, but what if it wasn’t just pure propogation but destruction too since the entire event gave birth to Nanook in the first place? And just like there was Oak Family and Sunday on Penacony there might be followers of destruction inside the IPC. Like Oswaldo. This f*cker seems to cause destruction to everything he as much as touches. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dimond, as an emanator of preservation, knows this problem and is thinking of ways to cleans the filth out of IPC. That trial over Aventurine kinda confirm to me that there are literal psychopaths even among stonehearts (bloodbath? Excuse me? Are you Elizaberth Bathory or smth?) I am not really on board with the idea of Luo Cha being Oswaldo. I don’t really understand Luo Cha but from the way story was presented I think the thing inside the coffin is related to abundance, like an emanator of abundance who can’t die but wishes for it thus requesting to be brought to the Alliance. We see vines coming out of the coffin on in game art and in Luo Chas burst animation so it just makes most sense to me. Luo Cha does nor give me the bad guy vibes unlike Oswaldo who seems to be evil incarnate.
I have a theory as far as the IPC goes that might take things another direction. I think they're trying to ressurrect a fallen Aeon - Long the Permanence. We've noted that the only thing they really seem concerned with preserving is theirselves, but they don't just want preservation for their organization - they want it to be permanent. So now they seem to be kind of "reassembling" the different aeons that Long split into. I'm going to talk about this a little further when I do an overview of the Dan Heng/Feng lore, because this would massively concern him as one of the only remaining scions of Lan's power. It could go so many different ways rn.
Great video! Made me think of some extra things that I'd like to add: 1) As stated by some others before, the Amber of the Stonehearts is quite similar to the Amber in HI3 who is a servant to Otto. One thing I'd like to point out is that in their lineup in the Stoneheart trailer, if we take their order to be representative to their status, ironically Amber is at the bottom of the ten. This may mean either or both of 2 things: - A clear indication that the Stonehearts DO follow the Propagation and no longer Preservation. If this would be the case, then Amber would obviously be at the bottom, as her power is PURELY of the Amber Lord, and her Stoneheart has none(if barely) any traces of Propogation in it). - She may secretly have the closest ties to Diamond than the other Stonehearts, as she might have potentially been created by him himself. As HI3 Amber is a clone made of Soulium and Void Archives/Diamond is literally made from Soulium, then it could mean that VA might have been able to utilize it to create Amber(as following his cloning abilities, please correct me if I'm wrong). Thus, putting her into the Stonehearts, she could act as his "eyes" to keep checks on the other Stonehearts. 2) In the case of Diamond, if we consider the previous possibility that Amber can be created from Soulium, what would prevent him from creating another clone of himself? It has been seen numerous times in HI3, in both the comics and in the game. As such, Luocha can be another direct clone of Diamond may exist. Adding to this, in the HI3 comics, it has been seen that Otto has been seen able to transform himself/make clones of others(i forgot which specifically, but it was the Sushanna comic). This would mean that Otto/VA/Diamond may not have a true form at all and any "clones" of him may be of any shape or form. This can be seen in "Shush" and HI3's Moriarty. Shush literally being a machine made from VA for the party car, while still retaining his voice(as seen in the mini-cutscene where the TB watches the TV and sees a blond individual sounding a lot like Shush). In the case of Moriarty(I am iffy on this subject), but was more of a rouge(?) Otto clone in the shape of a young boy/Otto that held their independent sentience to Otto himself. Luocha might actually be Diamond/VA using an independent Soulium clone to do his wishes in the Xianzhou, hopefully meaning the fragment of Tazzyronth is a Stoneheart. 3) The Cast Iron Throne/Diamond's seat fits well with VA's entire purpose. Created by Vill-V, I believe its main purpose is to consume all knowledge in existence, originally a library to the Previous Era in HI3. Such, the Cast Iron Throne (correct me if I'm wrong again) should help broaden his cognition (as seen by how one can connect to it to be a pale imitation to Nous's knowledge), and since he shouldn't pass out from having the thoughts of Nous for 0.1 seconds, it explains how he was able to harness it. However, as stated by VIll-V(or around her words), if VA had gain all knowledge in existence, if VIll-V acted as VA's medium, she would have "ceased to exist." Thus, this may also explain why there is no Tangible "Diamond," as the Soulium body that VA potentially used might have also ceased to exist. But if that's the case, how can Diamond still interact with the Stonehearts/ Opal? Easy, he (crazy thinking here) became one with the Cast Iron Throne. 4) Following the info from 2.7, Fugue is now a player in the game amongst Aeons. While this may seem a bit related, it was Luocha who brought her body to Ruan Mei and had her be brought to the Astral Express once she Recovered. This means that if VA has connections to Ruan Mei, then Diamond clearly has connections to her as well. This may give context to why Ruan Mei's research goes into reviving an Emanator of Propagation: Skaracabaz, as if they can revive something that has received the gaze of Tazzyronth, then what means they couldn't revive Tazzyronth itself? Such, by having Ruan Mei revive Tingyun, he can be on better terms with he Xianzhou, potentially winning in his deal with Jing Yuan. Alongside this, it could also mean that by having connections to a Genius member, he is one step closer to Nous and to infinite knowledge. 5) Somehow, Sampo will return. Sampo's name seems to be a reference to The Sampo, which in Finnish Stories, can produce anything infinitely. It's just a short offshoot thought, but the idea that Sampo has been found in the same places as the Stonehearts. In Jarilo, Topaz comes after Sampo plays a hand in reviving the planet. In Xianzhou, Loucha comes after Sampo leaves a bomb(?) and a letter to the TB. In Penacony, Jade and Aventurine come after Sampo gets info about his mask's whereabouts from Sparkle. Obviously great coincidences, but the potential that Sampo is an emanator makes this less of a coincidence, but a (coincidental?) connection. Perhaps he is an Emanator of Elation, but what says an Emanator can't follow one path? Perhaps he too follows Propagation(following the origin of his name) like Diamond and possibly they have connections. If this is the case, maybe Diamond could seek him to have some connections to the Elation, who can also give infinite knowledge on a whim(as seen in the Genius Worm scenario).
I was actually talking with someone in my discord about Amber a couple days ago. They were confused as to why I thought Diamond was Luocha (which I actually still do at this point - I found information that resolves the timeline issue while studying Dan Heng information) because Luocha was in prison at the time when Diamond attended a meeting with the stonehearts, and I made a point of telling them we never saw diamond there, only that his com was open and he was listening, but anyone could've been on the other side - and Amber seemed pretty busy on her computer at the time. A bit random but the point is, I also think Amber is going to be a major player coming up, if past games are any indication. I don't yet know much about the cast iron throne, but what you're saying sounds a lot like what I've heard. And I agree, it lines up. I don't think he became one with the throne, but like I said, I don't yet have all the information. One thing here - the reason Ruan Mei started cloning emanators is because she COULDNT clone an aeon, even though she tried. But knowing that she has ties to Luocha, we now know she at least has access to the remains of an aeon (maybe that's the debt to Luocha she was paying off). I have thoughts on Sampo. I've recently been really looking into the Fools and the one common thread (pun intended) between them is they're all puppetmasters in their own right. Each of them are the driving force behind the plot no matter where they go, and there are a couple vague implications that Luocha may also be a fool (the fool with the rapier). But I don't have proof on that yet. I'm still looking. Sounds like we're on the same track for a lot of this :)
- Diamond is technically not a pass down title as far as i know, the stoneheart whole system exist coz Diamond is an emanator, the cornerstone is his power being split into smaller piece then give to each member and he create that group so stoneheart exist coz of Diamond, not Diamond is a title exist and pass down coz of stoneheart. If you are a little confuse, just to let you know Diamond is not include in 10 stoneheart, he is the leader not a member: 1. Jade, 2. Obsidian, 3. Opal, 4. Aventurine, 5. Pearl, 6. Topaz, 7. Agate, 8. Amber, 9. Sapphire, 10. Sugilite - I still don't buy VA being Diamond, it just don't match up with how long the stoneheart and diamond have been part of IPC compare to the possible time VA have been in hsr but i can get behind Luocha being Oswaldo as i can't see anything enough to debunk it yet - Small correct time: 90% divine key in hi3 is created by Vill-V which include Void Archive, not dr MEI (also Pela, i know the meme, and Ruan Mei is not dr MEI variant, Ruan Mei is her parent name combine together not her real name)
I'm not confused. Check my video about the Secret of the Cornerstones. We have been given NO EVIDENCE (I checked) that the Cornerstones actually come from him. It's ALL ASSUMPTION. Unless someone can give me a link to a resource that says otherwise that is sourced directly from the game or from hoyo, I will stand by my statement that the stones were either given to Diamond by Qlipoth or came from Qlipoth and were found by Diamond. Diamond is assumed to be an Emanator, but there is a high likelyhood that may be a lie. Void Archives is able to emulate the abilities of others as a divine key. Also I know about Vill-V, but Dr. Mei was also overseeing the experiments.
@@leomatsubara8558 I again think it's a lie - Diamond's personal agents are the Stonehearts but the Stonehearts seem to be doing things that actually undermine preservation rather than following it (think Topaz destabalizing Belobog, Aventurine on Penacony). Also if Diamond is VA and therefore has mimic capabilities, he could be mimicking an actual emanator. Until we actually meet Diamond or learn more about him in game, I'm skeptical of everything and I don't trust the game devs not to lie to us.
@@iamemamae - databank mentions that Diamond is a confirmed Preservation Emanator in the IPC, suggesting this information has been verified by the AExpress themselves - In "Pom-Pom's Intel | Emanator Special" on HoYoLab, confirmed Emanators like Lord Ravager are directly mentioned, while speculative cases are labeled as theories similar to Harmonic String of the Family. - For other factions like the Genius Society, Self-Annihilator or Xianzhou Alliance, the word "Emanator" isn’t used if the details aren’t clear. However, in the case of the IPC, they specifically use the term and name Diamond.
@@iamemamae - Another reason i believe it coz i think there is a legit way to identify an emanator within hsr lore and not just through confirmation from the emenator themselves: + what path of a pathstrider can be identify, this have happen quite a few time in game and even clear proof when Blackswan quickly identify boothill path as hunt just through a phonecall + (somewhat base on honkaiverse lore in general) A emanator is fundamentally different from a pathstrider. A path are a collection of natural universe law under a concept/theme. An emanator being allow to directly access to the path mean their presence, existence and energy are fundamentally change and start to mingle with law of the universe withtin the path, making emanator emit a signature aura compare to a pathstrider. That mean it should be possible to identify emanator without needing to see their full power as not all emanator are as strong physically -> What seal the deal is how Acheron was suspect to be an nihility emanator, eventhough she was trying to hide it, proving 2 point above that there are way to identify it even if one try to hide it
As far as I understand it, it’s not that hi3 and Star Rail are two worlds in the hoyo multiverse, Star Rail IS the multiverse. The earth of hi3 is just one world in the universe that Star Rail takes place in. We’ve seen in hsr that people are aware of the “theory” of the imaginary tree, and that some worlds are similar, and that expy people exist. Acheron was very aware of these things, but who knows if that knowledge comes from her being an eminator, or just from having traveled around since then. Also it seems like Hoyo purposely makes timelines in hsr hard to track. My guess is that part of that is this is space fantasy, so there’s all sorts of magic, and part is the whole relativity thing of aging differently based on your solar system, how much time you spend in intergalactic travel, etc etc. But they reaaallllly don’t want you to make a timeline, I’ve tried.
I've had about 15 comments telling me the same thing. Unfortunately, the best thing for me to do at the moment is ignore this and treat each world as just another planet :/
@@iamemamaeI want to say something that hsr is not multiverse it is a universe hoyo gose by the concept of a single universe with many worlds and the start of this story take place after the apho story end and a little 12 or 6 years then the trailblazer story start
That's not true hi3 isn't a planet within star rail, himiko said to welt his planet didn't exist star rail is in a different plane of the imaginary to hi3.
It's technically still possible for him to be (especially cause there's a bit more evidence that he left before March even got there), but I got peer pressured into changing the theory XD
While some characters in Genshin and Star Rail definitely have a connection to characters in Honkai, at least half of the cases shown in this video feel like a huge reach. I love your videos and all and for the most part, the video is great, but I really dont think we need to pull the nearest slightly similar Honkai character to justify any new character we get. Also, for the Pronounciation of Schicksal (German for fate), it might be easier to look at how its syllables are separated: Schick - Sal. Small difference, but maybe it helps :D
Not nearly as much a reach as you think. The Seele/Xueyi one particularly I explained in my pinned comment - and all the others have some very specific story beats that connect each other. The only one that was on vibes alone was Mr Yang and Zhongli. And thanks about the Shicksal, I've always had trouble with that word :/
10:06 slight correction, Void Archive was made by another scientist - Vill V, not Dr. MEI. Vill V made the first 3 divine keys and since all of them are super bizzare to the point of either being utterly useless in some cases or out right dangerous to humanity in some other cases, she was banned from directing any divine key project and anything she was assigned to would be under Dr. MEI's supervision
I thought it was basically confirmed that Luocha was an AU version of Otto? I can’t remember exactly which quest (I think the Luocha character quest? Or Star Rail version thereof) but Walt sees Luocha on a security tape (before we defeat Phantylia) and says something along the lines of “I have run into multiple versions of this man specifically and every one of them has been bad news” and it’s implied he’s talking about Otto, I think. Or I could be remembering wrong, I apparently recall fewer details than I thought I did.
Unfortunately missed the premiere, but great video! As someone who's also made videos tackling the lore of this game, having to deal with multiverse variants can get pretty confusing, especially with the blonde man that is Otto/VA/Luocha/whoever else has this same look. Based on my research, the "tongue-twister" of Luocha's real name could be a reference to Seven Swords, the HI3 visual novel that Luocha takes visual inspiration from due to how Otto appeared in that. There, people of Shenzhou called him Raksha (a variant of the name Luocha) with Sushang saying his real name was too hard to pronounce. That could be what they're referencing here, hinting that Luocha's name is just Otto Apocalypse, like how Acheron's real name is still Raiden Mei, but Oswaldo sounds close enough to Otto that I can see why you drew that conclusion instead. Also about the Aha Luocha joke... I mean Otto does down a clown mask and is known as Clown A at one point so you never know :)
Yeah, I know about the Raksha/Luocha connection. It's so awesome. I want to look into if his name is difficult to pronounce in Chinese, cause this is a moment where the language difference might be a significant barrier in some ways. I'm trying not to think about Clown A atm XD he's definitely got a link to the Elation, among other things, but there just isn't enough information about his Star Rail motives to say much about it yet.
@@iamemamaeYes, Otto Apocalypse it's a difficult name to pronounce in chinese. As the comments said, it's more likely to be a reference to the novel, nothing else to think hard about 😅
I find it interesting that Acheron basically explained this alternative universe and why some people look or seem as others but some people in community jump on others when they compare 2 characters just because they are not 1:1 same... Maybe because it was rather hidden scene. But on the topic of the video, I have a feeling that VA plays more important role, tho it might overlap with Diamond. If you look at HI3, HSR and GI then somehow VA has some very specific similarities in all of them: If I understand it right then the "default" look of Void Archives is that of yellowish - orangish cube, which looks like HSR stellaron, not only that but VA can be turned into other things and can be used as a weapon for example, which is kind of the same to what the GI twins do, they also have some power that lets them summon armaments in similar color. On the surceface these are just some random similarities but if you look at it, they are not that random, they are literally one of the most important things in the game. Here comes Loucha that I believe is Otto of this universe. It is mainly because we know 2 things about him 1. His power stems from Abundance, 2. He carries remains of propagation in the coffin. Isn't that badically a description of Otto? Not literally ofc but if you played through Thus Spoke Apocalypse I believe you should have a similar feeling.
They both had a hand in it (at least according to the wiki which very well could be wrong :/) it says she oversaw it more or les, and Vill-V had a more direct role in it. I focused on Mei because she's the one who has a variant I can clearly draw a line to in Star Rail (Ruan Mei)
This makes much more sense than your previous theory and I strongly agree with it. Now, VA could either be against Otto expy (Luocha) or maybe working alongside him. Does he really want to destroy the IPC or does he want to use it for himself? All we can do is wait, and let the writers cook
Correlations are pretty sus and probably intentional. But I do think there can easily be multiple versions of Otto in HSR, since we already have Silver Wolf and Bronya Rand. The Honkai universe is big, and sometimes worlds in it like Earth and Teyvat can feel as big despite being isolated from the rest of the universe, and even Teyvat has both Ayato(similar vibe, voice, intel.) and Deshret (roughly Apocalypse crest, spreading the Apocalypse, forbidden knowledge, screwing thousands of people over).
Mhm very true. I do think there are multiple Otto's around (see Luocha and Aventurine :) To go much higher than 3 or four though might start getting confusing. We'll see how they handle it, though :)
What I would say to the IPC: “I’m the Qlipothian. And so were the rest of you before you formed this stupid alliance. You wanted to be safe from the Swarm so you became a stupid Swarm. That makes every IPC here less Qlipothian than me.” “Yeah, murmur it up, d-bags. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got pancakes back home with syrup on top of them. They’re about to hit that critical point of syrup absorption that turns the cakes into a gross paste. And I hate to get all Andy Rooney about it, but I think we all like fluffy discs of cake with syrup on top! And I think we also like to be accused of crimes when there’s evidence! So as they say in Belobog, peace oot!”
Ive never heard the idea of Dan Heng and Dan Feng being the Welt Joyce's before, but that works shockingly well, the expy characters seem to exist bc the devs want to explore parts of similar ideas in new ways/in more depth, and what is the story of the two Joyces and the cloning but a story of what is your identity if a past you existed and is still leaving ripple effects on the world around you? And that - thats Dan Heng's identity crisis to a T!! The greater change in appareance than other expy characters makes sense too with Welt Yang right there, the devs have olans for him that dont involve losing his shit over having an alternate version of his son who grew up in prison so they just changed things enough that the spirit of the exported character remains but they can side step that issue Though now im kind of hoping that we get to see, like, the first Vidyadhara of Dan Heng's lineage (? Is that the beat word to use??) And he has hair that looks more like its dark blue than black, that would be amazing 😂
You know what's absolutely heartbreaking especially after my latest video about Dan Heng? It's the idea of Dan Heng just kinda hanging out with his hood up in a crowd somewhere, trying to disappear, and the Express just happens to be there, and how Mr. Yang's heart must have just...stopped.
Hey! So the recent HI3rd chapter revealed something really relevant to the honkaiverse in general... So the star rail verse and impact verse may be in the same universe and that earth is just so far from the aeons that they can't seem to reach them. Idk if it was a mistranslation but the Livestream definitely mentioned that they're in the same universe so idk if it's relevant to the theory.
Actually, I’m pretty sure one scene in the collab I saw a snippet of said that the memokeepers only became aware of her world recently. And the reason they noticed seems to have possibly been Kiana becoming the Herrscher of Finality making her world actually visible. And judging by what black swan said about that far off world even Akivili didn’t reach, it seems that the Garden of Recollection has ridiculously impressive capabilities at noticing far off worlds. But this means that the explanation for why no Aeons have reached earth yet is just cause it’s so far off, that the first ones to notice seem to be some of the people who are Aeon Adjacent, managing to only just notice the residual energy of a Herrscher of Finality coming into being, meaning that the likely answer is that the earth is so ridiculously far off, and that the Aeons tend to have much bigger fish to fry, like Lan dealing with Yaoshi, Qlipoth building that wall, etc. But now, some forces are aware because recent events are on a large enough scale to draw notice. Edit: This does personally make me wonder what kinda witchcraft happened that Welt and Void Archives got sent that far in one go when literally none of the known Aeons seem to be aware of what’s going on somewhere so far off.
@@mysticseer6424 To my knowledge, that was a part of new story chapter and not an event, global release of HI3 updates is just a lot later than china release. There is a scene where a certain Memokeeper from Garden of Recollection (that has some resemblances to March 7th on top of that) visits Kiana, and asks her some questions like which Aeon this planet follows and calls her an Emanator, just to realize that Earth is just too far out of Aeons reach. Kiana is confused as she doesn't understand but then that Memokeeper wants to take her memories which makes Kiana mad
I really do like your dinamic edits through the video, some of the most fun ones of hoyo lore channels. Now on this past two videos theories, I honestly didn't liked. Ema I think we just have too little information on this topics to create theories rn, the links are too weak imo. Edit: one thing I recall from hi3 is that "Otto Apocalypse" name was hard to spell for the chinese characters in the game (Li Sushang for example), and that's sort of where the Jing Yuan "tongue twister name" comes from.
Ah yes, thank you! I was wanting to look into how the Chinese translations treat Otto's name. It's not terribly difficult to say in English, but it might be different in other translations. And I get it - but it's fun for me to think about :) And I made crazier theories and ended up right in the past, so we'll see how things go. My favorite thing is to take as little information as possible and get as close to the truth as possible, and so far it's going ok.
9:41 *spittake* THERE COULD BE *THREE* OF THESE LUNATICS?!?! *sees the part about Aventurine being an Otto variant possibly in addition to a Void Archive expy* Oh the HSR universe is FUCKING DONE FOR 😂
Another banger of a video!! Also, I'd love this shorter video format too, the problem being the long form videos makes you look like a mad Genius sitting atop a pedestal looking down on commoners as you uncover conspiracies, while this looks more akin to a research fellow instead. So pick your poison Ema 🙃
Mmm very possibly. I find it especially interesting that they're sitting next to a revolver, which is the only representation of Boothill in the picture. More evidence for Luocha being Oswaldo in my book.
Sorry but Void being Diamond is just weird. Like why do that when they clearly are important for different storylines. Void is important for his own storyline, probably connected to Welt and Diamond is gonna be the center of the IPC storyline from the looks of things. This isn't HI3 or Genshin, its a vast universe with lots of characters, the likelyhood of the same central character for 2 storylines is pretty minimal. World building requires more characters not fewer, also for Void to move so quickly up the IPC's ranks and become an Emanator is a bit much
Who says they won't make those different storylines intersect in the future? That's a mark of good storytelling is making everything connect in a way that makes sense. It's not Genshin or HI3 but it's made by the same people, so their storytelling will likely be similar. Also, I don't think diamond's an emanator. I think VA is pretending to be an emanator using his mimickry.
@@iamemamae Like I said its about scale. Making everything connected will take away from the scale of things. Its a whole universe that the Astral Express are exploring, having major storylines all connected will make it all feel like its all in the same neighborhood. Why do you think Penacony had nothing to do with the Luofu or Jarilo VI. Its meant to have its own story. Shoving Void in a major faction like the IPC would just needlesly connect it to HI3. Void should be reserved for his own mini story with Welt, or have him play a support role. It makes no sense to make someone like that be Diamond, the most important character in the IPC.
@@Rodiacreed This may be one of the only cases in the entire Star Rail story where this "the planets are completely separate" situation doesn't work. Because there is a group who connects all the planets and can come and go as they please, and it's the IPC. I feel like you've got something about the story here wrong - Star Rail is going to be very episodic for a while, with each planet remaining separate, but like with any good episodic story, there does need to be an overarching plot for it to all make sense. I think Luocha/Oswaldo with his Propagation stuff is our first glimpse into that big overarching plot that will bring everyone together in some way. It may not be the kind of story you like, but we've been told explicitly by Kafka that this is how things are going to play out, and it's how a lot of good stories have been told - everything's separate until it isn't.
@@iamemamae Its not so much that I don't like that kind of story, I just don't think HSR is that sort of story. I'm just saying things will be episodic and not everything will be connected fully. I don't doubt that the utlimate destination will have something from each world we visit but having Luocha/Oswaldo be the same character and having them be the grand arch-enemy is just not it. Luocha is probably not gonna be a villian. Oswaldo wil be the main enemy for the IPC story most likely. It makes no sense for them to be connected or be the same person. Oswaldo is meant to be super imperialistic and very smug by his description, Luocha is a nice guy who might have a hidden agenda. Their personalities don't add up and their stories don't look like they have anything in common really. Kafka only said that Nanook is involved in the story but never said everything is connected, some characters will be recuring but that isn't that same as having everything be about one single story. I mean it wouldn't even work as HSR has multiple writers for the different worlds so clearly a different vision for each "episode". Genshin, is literally in the same continent and all Archon's are connected by Celestia so yeah having it all be part of a whole would work. HSR on the other hand doesn't have any "Celestia" it has several gods who have their own story, some like Lan and Yaoshi are connected and some do not. Propagation and Preservation are meant to be their own thing or they wouldnt 'have had Topaz barely do anything on the Lufou. Also imo a character like Luocha will be overshadowed by all the Arbiter-Generals and the Marshal so having him be one of the most influential characters in the IPC is just weird...
One thing, Dan in my thoughts may be a copy of Fu Hua - an immortal creature reborn over and over again, each time having a different appearance, like the names under which Fu Hua influenced the world, and even more so, just change the race from phoenix to dragon, even her theme of clouds and ink is saved.
You all forgot how Otto love to used soluim materials to created a clone copy of himself right also welt also has a body probably some honkai gene or just like when he can recreate his own body with the power of herrcher of reason he might have alter his own body similar to soluim like void archive current body
"That sure is a name" my reaction exactly to english/american names when i was younger xD Oswaldo Schneider IS a name you dont hear often anymore, even in german speaking regions. Similar to Joachim. Or Siegfried. Or Edelgard. Otto is still used a lot tho. Also it is funny to hear almost everyone pronounce "Otto" like Auto. The correct way would be with a shorter first O and a very harsh T. Similar to how "hot" is pronounced, just without the h. Hot-o.
It would be extremely awesome if you could construct a Honkai star rail theory discussing more details on imaginary numbers, complex exponentials, and complex analysis and tying it together with the imaginary tree concept in hoyoverse. This is because taking the natural log of negative numbers results in a logarithmic branch point which may explain the branches of the tree. I am especially convinced that the imaginary tree is a 🌀 spiral and the stem is a complex exponential while its leaves and branches are logarithms.
I'm definitely not gonna be doing that, sorry XD I have no idea if the writers would have even thought that far. It is, at the end of the day, just a story. It may not be that internally consistent, and either way I'm really bad with math.
I really liked the theory! If's not a problem, I'll share a theory that me and my friend are talking about for a while now! I like to think that Void can be a Stellaron Hunter. I know that sound crazy but, hear me out: we can notice that each individual on the Express has a "counterpart" on the Stellaron Hunters, I'll write down Himeko & Kafka Dan Heng & Blade March & Silver Wolf Trailblazer & Elio Welt & ? I know that Silver Wolf and March is a bit unhinged, but comw to think of it, can make sense in some way. We know that Void leaves the Express after rescue March, and is said in Kafka's story line tells that Elio and >>another
Now my brain goes brrrr... What if, and a big what if, the Aventurine cornerstone being the Void Archives is why Ratio is willing to work with Aventurine, aside from the Avgin being a little smartiepants himself. Like, what if Ratio is the other half of this universe's Archives? I'm crazy I know but... the power of Imaginary wpuld work and Ratio is all about understanding, reason and removing ignorance from the universe...
My theroy on how the ten stone hearts where made is that Diamond (or someone else from the IPC) used the remains of Tazzyroth to make the Corner stones. It makes much more sense then being a part of Qlipoth since Qlipoth doesnt really care all that much about the IPC, so why the hell should he help them? Its a very loose theory since there isnt much to support it but with the information we have i think its possible. If anyone does have anything to support/counter this theory i'd like to see.
Hard to say that Diamond is any more of a newbie than Oswald, given that he should already be boss of the Stonehearts by the time Adventurine was taken in by Jade which means he's also already the Director of Strategic Investment. It really never sounds like the Stonehearts were always there, but that Diamond personally promoted them to work for him even throughout their replacements. One could claim that Diamond is also just a job position that changed hands, but then who would promote him to 'Diamond' and grant him the Cornerstones and why is this unique to the Strategic Investment Dept. specifically ? Why are do we not hear about any other 'Stonehearts' in the other six departments ? There is only one other named Preservation Emanator(so far) in the IPC other than Diamond, and that's Taravan who only recently allied with Diamond. So, who would grant VA the title of Diamond, the Cornerstones and command over the Ten Stonehearts; all privileges that seem to be absent from other Department Heads ? If the answer is Qliphoth, then there's little reason to say Diamond is VA himself in particular. So in the end we need to believe that VA convinced other Preservation Emanators in the IPC board that he is one and that he should have the Cornerstones if he didn't make or gather them himself... and in spite of that he's still not a board member yet. I think that's kind of harder than what we know Oswald accomplishes. I can't say that I don't find the idea of VA fighting with an Otto expy for the position of a board member of an interstellar corporation funny though, because that's exactly the kind of shenanigans I'd expect from them. It's not like HI3 itself didn't meme Welt and Otto as rival CEOs of different corporations before, haha... Speaking of Void Archive variants, don't you think the exploration of Rubert I's Tomb that IPC is also involved in and the teased plotline of a possible Rubert III sounds like a scenario most likely to have Void Archives ? VA's been wanting to escape his job programming and we don't know yet if enough happened in the blank between APHO and HSR for him to be able to do so. Sounds like he'd be very interested in Rubert and the machine uprisings.
I agree - Diamond had to have been there by the time Aventurine arrived, but here's the thing - Aventurine only became a Stoneheart VERY recently - maybe only months prior to Penacony - many of the other Stonehearts have never even spoken to him. That's actually implied as part of the reason Diamond sent him to Penacony. It was seen as sort of a suicide mission, and Aventurine was the newest recruit AND one that none of the others particularly liked (he may have killed their colleague, the previous Aventurine after all). So, to Penacony he went. There are actually several people above Diamond and the board - 2 I can think of for sure were talked about in Gold and Gears (I haven't studied that event yet, sadly), so there's plenty of room for VA to have been brought into the position fairly recently too. Also, since VA has mimicry powers, whether he's just filling the spot of a previous emanator, or they're talking about him when they say "Diamond's an emanator" he would be able to paint himself as a very powerful preservation user (or any other path, for that matter) if he wanted to, with a little trickery. I haven't studied up on the information about Rubert yet, but I'm getting to it. I'll talk about my thoughts on that afterward :)
I'm gasping for air in this one, new information jabs left and right, just as I'm about to process a statement a new one uppercut me to the head 😂. Even my "currently in diagnose" ADHD brain can't keep up, anyway, great video emaa!
1:50 I think that's wrong because va left right before dan heng joined and march's voice line about him she says that dan heng joined before her so the reasonable time line will be himeko welt va, va left got replaced by dan heng then march then us 😅
This is the first time someone has referenced him leaving before Dan Heng but I sincerely hope it's true - do you have a source for that? (Please, I've been breaking my brain over this concept for weeks I need resolve).
That's pretty much all there is to it - she bears a stylized memokeeper "cross" motif, and she uses a camera, which according to Black Swan, some memokeepers do use cameras to capture and store Memories, but it's only one of several methods memokeepers use. Also, the garden of recollection has taken a very special interest in March, with her companion quest including a memokeeper telling her not to look for her past.
Loved the video!! Just a small correction, the divine keys were actually made by Vill-V, not Dr. Mei :) but she did work for her so maybe there's a connection with that!! I'm pretty sure you didn't play HI3rd and the story can get super confusing, so kudos for still trying to put it all together!
I'm aware of Vill-V - I was referring to Dr. Mei because she worked under Mei :) I played HI3 only up through Bronya bringing Welt home from the Sea of Quanta, so I've definitely missed a few things XD
Silver Wolf is actually Bronie, who's version of Bronya, but not that Bronya. If you want to make more videos about cosmology and connection between games I would recommend doing some research on many-worlds interpretation that Hoyo uses in their games, since it works differently than the most popular concept of multiverse that you can see in pop culture - It will help you in the long run.
Bronie is also a Variant of Bronya, so I do consider them the same in a way. I don't plan on doing more multigame connection aside from maybe one or two more sort of joke videos in the future.
I would also guess March to be 20-ish, but recently I was taken aback by someone calling her something along the lines of a young teen, and it didn't sound like a joke. Unfortunately, I just remember my incredulity to the line, while the details escape me, like when it was (definitely after penacony, probably in her training arc) or who said it (maybe herself, which wouldn't be reliable, but I assume she knows the difference between being 15 and an adult).
I would've said 14 when we first met her, but I've since learned, when you see someone drawn in an anime style, they are most likely older than you think they are. Unfortunately, since we don't have a confirmed age for march (and it's likely even she doesn't know) we'll have to stick to guessing :/
idk if this helps but in hi3rd comic, otto's helper/secretary-ish coded subordinate is called Amber & same name in cn as well as en too. my brain is too destroyed to cook further rip.
Fun theory. But just so you know. Going back to your last video, that whole thing with loucha's gold hand and the diamond shown in topaz's trailer. Well it's kinda debunked when you realize it's just a daft punk refrence. Seriously just Google daft punk and go to images. The helmet and gold hands are an exact match
With how INSANELY FAR hoyo took the Bohemian Rhapsody references in Genshin, along with how crazy they are about music in general...the reference might be important story/lore wise.
Nah, I am still betting on the other way around. VA is Oswaldo and Luocha is Diamond. Below is not my attempt to change your mind, but more like an explanation of my thought process, which you may find interesting/useful. I love my speculations to be as simple as they possibly can. As if I was a HoYo writer in need to quickly plan the plot for future few patches, put some dots for the current big arc and write something right now to not to fall out of 6 weeks schedule. In other words, I prefer theorize about stuff more like an author writing it, not a theory-crafter who can spend a month meticulously trying to discern the exect timeline of events and neatly put things in place. OR try to pull out every obscure Nameless in the lore and theorize how any one of them can be that very important, yet obscure character. I like it simple. Narratively efficient. Please bear with my little outburst of graphomania. There is a lot of words, but their meaning is very simple. We have two Ottos. One is present as local Luocha, one is present as VA, which stole HI3rd Otto's body. Otto/VA is very important to everything bearing the name "Honkai" in the title. So if we have two of them, OG and AU, both for sure will be important to the story. And the most logical plot resolution to do here is to put them against each other. Many good storytelling opportunities. But that is the stuff for the later half of the story. For now we need a mystery "who's who" and "what's happening" to keep people engaged. It is the means to an end and we don't need to shoot ourselves in the knee by overcomplicating the story. Thus we would introduce four people on the scene, but all of then are still just two people. Two Ottos and two people who are their currently chosen persona to go by. Personas somewhat based on their actual character. To make it latter more digestible. First. VA and Oswaldo. Character analysis. Both are new people on the HSR scene, but are very capable, intelligent and dangerous. Both prone to trickery like lying, masquerading and all that. Both are definitely not good people (to put it lightly). Both are connected to the Nameless. One was a Nameless, then he disappeared and somewhere in that same timeframe another Nameless appears at IPC and starts to climb ranks too quickly, doing bad stuff. So, what this pairing gives us narratively? "VA = Oswaldo" neatly ties-in several important characters and factions into the one coherent subplot/narrative. VA/Oswaldo ties together Nameless and Astral Express through Welt, Boothill and Galaxy Rangers through revenge subplot, everyone at IPC, including higher-ups, due to Oswaldo's position in the company, Honkai universe with its cast due to Oswaldo being VA from the HI3rd. One simple connection brings together a lot of plotlines, possible resolutions and story developments. Which in the future will make that all more digestible for a player. We have many things happening, but all of them are connected together through only one well-known guy. But there is some other big narrative currently happening on the background. An Aeonic one. So... Second. Luocha and Diamond. Character Analysis. Both are enigma-characters. We barely know them, we don't know their names, we don't know their stories, past, agendas, nothing except both being in some way affiliated with IPC and Diamond having that gold hand, which connects him to Otto. But we don't know to which of them, because Luocha wears glows (how convenient). Except that the only thing of importance they both share is the connection to Aeon and Aeonic shenanigans. Diamond with Cornerstones/Qlipoth and Luocha with remains of Tayzzyronth. And both this Aeons are already very interconnected with each other, which we know from SU subplot. What gives us such connection narratively? We have potentially very important character being a throughline of background "Aeonic" subplot. It connects several Aeons and factions. Tayzzyronth, Qlipoth, Yaoshi, Lan, Xianzhou, Genious Society (Simulated Universe subplot by proxy) and IPC. Also that plotline technically includes Elio, Stellaron Hunters and Finality with all that prophecies of bad Aeonic Conflict happening in the future. Same as with VA/Oswaldo, here we have very simple intersection of numerous plotlines through only one character (Luocha/Diamond) who is directly connected to Aeons. So again, why this is the simplest and (in my opinion) the most realistic explanation of this Otto situation? Because it is narratively simple. With VA/Oswaldo and Luocha/Diamond we have two characters who aggregate whole enormous scope of different HSR plotlines into two very simple and understandable subplots. Everything boils down to two big main narratives. One is more grounded adventures and politics with IPC shenanigans, all this character interactions and dramas, revenges, character growth, everything we love. All basically revolves around one character, which also connects both Honkai games together. The other narrative is more on the background. Behind-the-scene Aeonic story, which is meant to set up some "big event" later down the timeline, but not now. It is removed from the simple story structure on the main adventure not to complicate things. And again all is tied together only to one specific character, enigmatic character (which is useful to not overcomplicate the story at this moment). For any writer after that, the only thing what remains is to tie this two separate main narratives together and then connect them to the story of the protagonist, which is a players' window into the story. We already tied them together through the Otto/VA/Luocha. That's not a problem. Put Ottos against each other as enemies and both narratives connect naturally. But we also have very simple and neat way to tie it all to the Trailblazer. In an understandable way. VA/Oswaldo integrates into protagonist's story through Astral Express/Nameless/Welt/Honkai connections, which are already established. Luocha/Diamond integrates into protagonist through Stellaron, Elio's prophesy about protagonist's importance for Aeonic conflict in the future, our current dealings with Genious Sociaty and Simulated universe. All that. Which is alreayd established. I think you can see how organic this pairings feel if you look at them this way. Instead of getting into the weeds of "Maybe Luocha is actually evil, but he plays triple game of cover double agent, and VA is somehow acquired this cornerstones and does... something, while Oswaldo/Luocha just carries remains of Tayzzyronth around in their coffin". It is definitely very interesting to theorize such things, but sometimes I pull myself and just think "Do you really think they would so overcomplicate things for no reason? Maybe at some point we should just consider hints at the face value? It is still just a game, not scientific paper on the nature of reality. It is just bunch of people writing a story in the 6 week patch release cycle. All they want is to just tell a good, engaging and understandable story. Not write the most insane and overly complex plot in the universe just for the sake of it".
Ohhhh that's a text wall. XD You put some thought into this. I am curious though, how would you resolve the timeline issue? Void was on the express until about 2-5 years ago, while Kakavasha's planet was ransacked 8-10 years ago. Void Archives would've had to be in contact with the IPC as Oswaldo while he was still on the Express for that to work. Not impossible, but highly unlikely in my mind, especially cause it'd have to be right under Welt's nose, and Welt knows what VA is like. This is why timelines are so annoying :/
@@iamemamae This is why I try not to touch it, hahah. HoYo seems to be very deliberate with making any timeline in HSR as obscure and confusing as possible. Probably to always keep their hands free when they plan the plot. So while that question about timelines is absolutely legit, I think even in HoYo not many think about it. Like, I believe you can imagine something like "Ah yes, around 5 maybe 6 years ago VA left Express and got in contact with IPC as Oswaldo. And one of the first things he did was resolution of the conflict on Kakavasha's planet. That boosted his career". And they just leave it all at that. Who cares about possible 1-2 years of overlap. Technically it is possible and writers never attempted to put their plot into any solid timeframe to begin with. So I try to do the same and some aspects of mystery I just decide to ignore, because I doubt HoYo themselves put too much thought into it. Narratively it works very well and seems obvious, demands not so many assumptions, so I just bet on that.
Arent you right there was a refrence to the 10 stone hearts being made by qlipoths body i remember one of the stone hearts saying in the context of adventurine breaking his stone heart that its wrong , forbidden or crime to hurt , damage qlipoths body i belive the 10 stone hearts are part of qlipoths body
one nitpick i have is that xueyi isnt a seele expy- sure, they slightly look alike (short hair with a colored underside), but thats about it. personality wise, she isnt similar to seele at all, or even veliona if you ask me. i dont particularly enjoy the implication that hanya is bronya here- bronya in hi3rd had a very romantic relationship with seele (re: kiss) i know that expys dont need to have similar personalities (seele and seele in hsr and hi3rd, yae miko and yae sakura), and characters with similar appearences arent exactly expys i just,,, dont see a connection here
See my pinned comment about Seele/Xueyi. They are the same. You cannot change my mind. The Bronya/Hanya implication is based entirely on the Xueyi/Selle implication and there's nothing else supporting it besides gray hair and "tired eyes". They're not romantically involved in this world because they're sisters, but I agree it's weird to think about.
It was speculation on Jing Yuan's part, and Luocha does have Abundance power, but my theory is questioning if maybe he got it in an...unconventional manner. Otherwise, why would he be trying to kill Yaoshi?
OK THATS IT IM MAKING A SEELE/XUEYI VIDEO. Until I get that up, check out Seele's HI3 design in this animation - th-cam.com/video/xTK8P6vRiIg/w-d-xo.html Note the chest sigil, the use of color under her hair, and the use of chains. Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. YOU WILL TEAR THIS EXPY OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS. I know how to admit when I'm wrong, but IM NOT WRONG ON THIS ONE
(I'm being intense 100% as a joke, guys XD)
@@iamemamae With this much resolve how can I not root for u? 💪
Also, YES I also have been told now that the world in star rail is both a multiverse and not a multiverse (yes I know it's more complicated than that, imaginary tree and branches and leaves and planets), but FOR THE SAKE OF THEORIZING, I literally can't take that into consideration and have to just ignore it for now, so here we are. Thank you to everyone who told me :)
With Dr Mei being two hsr chars, Seele being two chars, Bronya being two chars I'm starting to wonder if there are more splits and maybe everyone from HI3 is split in some kind of way in hsr...
@@gingershrimpale According to HI3, each individual planet is sort of like it's own individual universe, and so each planet has its own variants. I'm not quite sure how to feel about that yet.
@@iamemamae its not a multiverse it's a world you should see the cn words used in it
Got to love how every time a suspicious blonde man is introduced in the story people try connecting them to Otto Apocalypse
Eh, only if he also is a master strategist who lost a sister figure young :)
All for a Lesbian nun that friendzone him.
@@doragonzxFun fact: She married him in Honkai gakuen 2.
@@bongy-o1q the Maidenless finally lost his 500 years old Multiverse incel status.
@@bongy-o1qwhat
"Otto was a terrifying villain when you got on his bad side" "Aventurine is an Otto variant" ...all I heard is: go get popcorn for when Rine finally gers his revenge
My gut says there may be a father/son dynamic between those two in the future.
i love aha and the fools a lot, they are so relatable, i hope we get more of their involvement in the future
There's no way we don't :) I love the concept of them too.
One of them is going to the other Honkai and invite another one to become Mask Fool 😂😂😂😂
@@iamemamae SO YOU DO LIKE US
Yes, sparkle is honkai impact 3rd main story. An no it's not another version of sparkle it's the same sparkle from hsr. She invited one of the characters from HP3rd to become a masked fool.
yeah but along with enigmata they are definitely gonna be a chaos factor for the lore like: It was aha all along or oops that part of history was actually erased and replaced sorry
7:36 Boothill: “Where is Oswaldo Schneider?”
Aventurine: “Gesundheit”
I love to put expy tags on characters but even I did not put SeeleBron tag on Hanya and Xuyei and Otto tag on Aventurine, or Dan Heng being Joyce, also no Silver Wolf is not exactly variant of OG Bronya, she is very clearly variant of Bronie, while she herself is technically variant of Bronya Hoyo do make a big distinction between the two, I also highly doubt Pela being variant of Mei or Dr. MEI, she just looks similar, she have not even slightest hint of connection other than her hair colour.
And just to add to the list of expys, Kafka is Variant of Stigma Character Kafka, Lingsha is Nuwa, hoyo gib Fuxi variant, and Rappa is Ishikawa, also stigma character
thank you lol i was getting nervous about the lack of correction on the expy/variant comments
Copy-pasting from another comment I made - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :)"
I've only played up through the sea of Quanta arc in HI3 sadly, so I don't actually know that much about Bronya, but I will push back on what you said - even Bronie is not strictly Bronya, she is herself a Bronya variant - different in key ways, but remixes of each other.
@@iamemamaeIn asia there is a culture of calling people who are older than you by 1-10 years big sister or big brother. Jiejie- big sister and gege- big brother. It has nothing to do with being relatives. If you were older than me by 1-10 years I’d call you jiejie because its culturally appropriate
@@iamemamae In the light cone "Under the blue sky", Xueyi originally look nothing like now though, and obviously look different than Seele when she is small.
@@iamemamae there is one more different between Xueyi and Seele, their weapon. Seele always use Scythe. Seele love using scythe in every multiverse. And Xueyi, sorry girl you not using scythe so even if hoyo said that she is seele expy, i will not accept it. Get this girl a scythe, then maybe i will consider😤😤😤
Good on you for taking a step back to scrutinize the previous video, after all discussion and critism is the lifeblood of theorycrafting.
As much as diamond and luocha CAN BE written as the same person, a more meta reason i believe hoyo wouldnt is that they would want to populate the banners with new characters, especially a stoneheart (yes i know fugue and DHIL exists). Im glad that the current conclusion somewhat lines up with my comment in the previous video 😊 but hoyo, feel free to prove us all wrong.
I'm just gonna mention that Amber seems to be an expy of one of the failed Theresa clones that Otto kept to be his assistant
Bingo.
Cooked, as per usual. Can’t wait for the next one!
AVENTURINE IS A WHAT!?
He gayes
Otto. Variant. :)
@@iamemamaeHe was always so Ottoful his plan in penacony is identical to otto from hi3.
@@bongy-o1q HE REALLY WAS!
There is no Multiverse, just one Universe. The Tree of Existence is a metaphor for the Universe, Branches are their own Worlds varying in size and should not be confused with Planets. Worlds are separated by Imaginary Barriers that can be only traversed by the Star Rails, Emanators/Aeons, and the Stargates created by the Cleaners.
The setting of HSR takes place across various worlds connected by the Paths and Star Rails, the World of HI3/the Solar System was isolated for over a Billion years until recently.
As Welt and Acheron said before they met countless people with similar faces across the Cosmos.
Void Archives and Luocha are 2 different people.
Thank you so much for the super thanks!!!
I'm aware of the nature of the tree of existence at this point...................I freakin hate it. I'm genuinely unsure how they plan to make this happen. Because we've had a bunch of different characters that visit other planets without having traveled on the star rail (Luka on the Xianzhou, the IPC representatives able to go freakin anywhere).
For right now, my best course of action as a theorist is to ignore it as best I can until it becomes immediately relevant.
@@iamemamae The Star Rails is what enables casual inter-world travel, it is what almost everyone uses to travel to other worlds. Think of them as the Mass Effect Relays.
While there are other easier ways to travel to other worlds than what the Emanators and Aeons do like the aforementioned Stargates used by the Cleaners/Ones Above/Sky People. There is another race known as the Sugars who are capable of Interworld Travel independent of Star Rails.
@@emperorcaligula9098 I prefer not to think of it for now. When it becomes immediately relevant, I will. For now this information is stored in a neat little locked box in the back of my brain :)
funnily enough, it now has become relevant because sparkle is in the hi3 universe now (plus that memokeeper). sampo also referenced going to have a "drink" with some friends in his last event, that drink w sparkle was an event in hi3 which means that they both are happening at the same time @@iamemamae
@@su.7f shhhhhhhhhhh if I don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist.
Video was really good, also I’m happy you take the time to listen to other theories and incorporate them into your own 👍
Thank you Battledroid! Always awesome to see you!
The Divine Keys were made by Vil-V who was one of the Flame Chasers. Dr. Mei helped making the Mantis program with Mobius.
Vil-V also worked under Dr. Mei, so that's why I said it like I did.
if aventurine is otto variant, then skott and gepard is also an otto variant
Well neither of them are master strategists who lost a figure at a young age, nor can they make things appear out of thin air with the help of magic tech so :/
As a joke yeah.
@@iamemamaenah im just joking cos they all got blonde hair
I enjoy this kind of format where we can revisit previews video to discuss important points brought by the comments. I won't mind seeing some more of this if you want to!
Xueyi is not a Seele variant, Pela is not a Dr. MEI variant. There’s more to being a variant than just a vaguely similar design.
Generally speaking, the rule for variants is similar design and same VA (CN and JP). There’s a few exceptions (like Hanser didn’t like doing adult Bronya voice, Yanqing is now a child) but generally speaking the rule holds.
The only solid variants Star Rail have is Bronya and Silver Wolf, Seele, Cocolia, Himeko, Natasha, Acheron, Sushang, and Yanqing. Luocha is an Otto variant assuming he’s not Void Archives.
Ruan Mei and Dr. MEI and Ayato and Otto are both borderline cases, with Ruan Mei sharing similar themes and the character 梅, while Ayato shares VAs with Otto and has an intelligence network that roughly translates to Apocalypse Order
I wrote this in reply to another comment - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi." The Xueyi/Seele connection is one that you cannot change my mind on. This is one of the most direct indirect connections you are going to find in this game.
Looking at VAs can give us clues into who is who, but it's not foolproof and you're welcome to do that, but it's not foolproof. The problem is there are no actual "rules" when it comes to making variants. It would be easier to theorize if there were. When it comes down to it, the characters are the product of decisions being made in a writers room - and when you're just a writer having a conversation with another writer (and I say this AS A WRITER), you don't have to follow ANY rules. And either way, if I were to limit my theories ONLY to those kind of more solid connections, I feel like I'd lose the essence of what it means to theorize.
@@iamemamae I agree that VAs isn’t the end all and be all, but it’s a good place to start. And I will admit that my first thought about Xueyi was “Is this Seele?”, but after going through it, I’m inclined to think not. The themes of death and rebirth are interesting, but at best it makes her a borderline variant. I think it’s more likely that Xueyi took inspiration from Seele than her being a Seele variant.
The thing is that Mihoyo is usually pretty blatant with their variants. If you look at all the different Bronya variants, they’re all very clearly Bronya’s. A variant isn’t just characters with similarities, it’s the same person in a different world. As in their DNA is the same, the only difference is their environment. That’s the importance of having the same VA, in theory you should sound the same regardless of environment.
@@nagamasatakasugi9375 Where it comes to Xueyi/Seele - see my pinned comment. I've copy pasted the same thing over and over now at least 10 times so I'm gonna just make a video about it eventually. That's one expy that I'm absolutely sure of though.
That's what's odd here, I don't know why people don't see some of these as blatant because in my mind, they are.
@@iamemamae The easiest argument against Xueyi not being a Seele variant is the VAs being different. Unless there’s some external reason, they like to keep VAs consistent between variants. And they’re also rarely subtle with their variants, only Theresa/Kongming/Nahida to my knowledge don’t share very similar, if not the exact same name.
Also, the term isn’t expy, it’s variant. Expys are for unrelated works, in the Honkai universe variants are the same person in different worlds. I recommend watching Homu Labs videos on Exploring the Honkai Universe.
I highly recommend playing HI3 if you use more of its lore in your videos. While the wikis are kind of there, SO much detail is missing. It's like... 15% as good as the HSR wiki, and the HSR wiki is also still missing things.
And I just want to point out that we've known Luocha was an Otto variant since his release, because Otto literally goes by Luocha/Raksha in the shattered swords visual novel (the same one Sushang and Yanqing were introduced in). Aventurine, however, is not an Otto variant. While there's similarities, he's not a variant. If they do come out and say he is, I'll say my bad I was wrong, but Hoyo is pretty obvious when a character is a variant, and one key thing to note is the same VA in JP and CN (or both). I did see your comment abt the voice actors earlier, but it's a hugely important factor when identifying a variant. So far, Natasha, Seele, Bronya, Silver Wolf, Himeko, Sushang, Yanqing, Luocha, Acheron, Lingsha, and Kafka are the only variants we have. The others may take inspiration from them, but they aren't a variant.
Also, I think the thing about the HSR vs HI3 universes is a little misunderstood, because they are the same universe. It's not a multiverse, it's all one giant imaginary tree. Earth is one leaf on this tree. Each world we go to in HSR is another leaf on the tree. These leaves are connected by the "star rail" that moves through imaginary space to connect worlds. Izumo's flamechasers/herrschers/divine keys very well could show up again in another future planet we visit, as they're all individual worlds. If you play HI3, you'll see notes from Acheron's story and how it's the same as HI3's main story, but they had their bad end. There was no safety net like Earth had to try again. But the worlds being one universe is how Welt and Void "got lost in space" together to find their way to HSR.
Unfortunately, I can't play HI3rd at the moment. I've played up through Bronya bringing Welt home from the Sea of Quanta, but I just don't have the storage space to do more :/ Trust me, I'm VERY aware of how bad the wiki is. I just have no way around it atm. :.(
A lot of people disagree on the Aventurine/Otto thing, and I get it but I personally still think he's a variant. If I could change one thing in this video it would be to straight up say that Aventurine is closer to being a Void Archives Variant than he is an Otto Variant, but given the close connection between Void and Otto, I'll say it's close enough for now.
And I know about the nature of the Honkai Impact 3rd universe, but as sucky as it is, the best thing I can do as a theorist for now until things start to collide is to ignore the fact that they're technically all different worlds. It's the only way I can wrap my head around it, to treat each world like another planet in a galaxy rather than each planet being a variation.
@@iamemamae if you can't play hi3, there are videos of the gameplay that you can watch to get caught up with the story
HOLD UP- I KNEW LOUCHA MIGHT BE AN OTTO VARIANT BUT NOT AVENTURINE???
Also I had no idea xueyi=seele variant. I could understand ruan mei being a dr mei variant but pela being one is… something like REALLY SOMETHING considering the things i heard dr mei do. So as zhongli and welt(which makes sense) and arlan and razer😭
Being an expy doesn’t necessarily mean they have the same personality as who they are based off of. It also means having a similar name or a similar appearance. Pela looks like dr mei but she isnt like her at all. Yae miko looks and is named after yae sakura, but they have different personalities. Mona and Tesla, Albedo and Einstein, theyre sort of different from each other but they both share a striking resemblance to one another.
It's just the way hoyo recycle character
I really don’t think aventurine or Xueyi are expys. Hoyo just likes recycling design elements. Doesn’t mean they’re supposed to intentionally connect. If they are expys, there’s gonna be something more substantial than just their designs to link them (like names or similar personality traits or backgrounds)
Yep! I love that theory so much - Aventurine and Otto have a lot in common, and it's super interesting. It would explain a lot about the faith Diamond puts in him if VA recognizes him.
As for the Xueyi/Seele link, I'll copy paste what I wrote under another comment -
"Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peekaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi."
Copy-pasting from another comment I wrote - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peekaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi."
There does need to be a decent link for them to be considered a variant or an expy instead of just a similar character but uh, I'm fairly sure that's enough info to draw the connection pretty solidly.
Ema: knowing how time passes in Star Rail is really confusing.
a Final Fantasy 14 who world timeline trap in a time bubble: First time?
Diamond being a 1:1 Kevin variant seems the most believable, they're the most preservation aligned characters in the entire hoyoverse.
The thing about cornerstones being part of Qlipoths body comes from the purple 2.0 preservation trace material, but that info might also be false as it was nearly used as a decoy to fool Sunday by Aventurine
YES. THANK YOU! I forgot where I saw that detail with the Amber! I've been looking for it for ages!
Yeah, I'm still on the lookout for Kevin. My problem is that we haven't actually seen Diamond do anything that aligns him with Preservation. We've been told he's an emanator and blah blah blah but I don't trust the IPC's marketing, and I also don't trust the Star Rail writers not to lie to us :) we'll see where things go.
@@iamemamae I'm a fervent believer in The Preservation (10 Stonehearts) vs The Voracity (Marketing Development Department) theory which is also why i belive in Diamond being a Kevin variant. His data bank quote also makes him seem like genuine Preservation follower
Highly recommend playing hi3, the story and lore is amazing and helps to understand alot of the hsr and genshin stuff through a new lense. I started playing it to learn more about the lore too and it quickly became my favorite of all the games. So much content to sift through including alternate game modes and mangas that it's definitely worth it for a lore lover and theory crafter. The gameplay is fun too (similar to genshin but 3 team members and more fast paced) once you get past some of the low res early chapters it really becomes amazing and the story is such a work of art. I really wish more content creators would give this game a chance. Anyways i really like these theory videos, very fun to watch. Keep it up
Unfortunately I can't play it at the moment :/ I don't have the space to download it and play, although I have in the past (I played up through Bronya's jaunt through the Sea of Quanta and bringing Welt home). I'm doin my best with what I've got. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
@@iamemamae storage limit is the worst I totally get it. And yeah the theories have been super fun. Was totally convinced as soon as you showed that golden hand connection. That was a good catch and I'm convinced it has to have been on purpose from them.
@@archivekoeun3052 Same. I found that entirely by accident. I was going through that old IPC Myriad Celestia looking for a good thumbnail and just HAPPENED TO LAND ON THAT ONE FRAME, and it was after a whole day of me examining Void Archives in that cutscene with Welt, so I was like WAIT HOLD UP and then the rest is history XD
I'm still recovering from the last video (It was too good)
Also I've been subscribed since your 'Firefly is the MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER in Penacony!!!' video and ugh your videos are very fun to listen to!! Really good stuff
Thank you so much!!!
10:30 Guy she a history fictinologist!! Don't Trust Everything She Said!!!!
What’s a history fictionologist? Sounds like something you made up. I don’t trust people who make stuff up, unlike our erudite friend here, whose brilliant thesis deserves a spot in the genius society.
@@FlashStatic :)
I feel like people forgeting that void archive form are not permanent , its have the shape of a cube or a library then took human , he literally the bibliotheca 😂
Maybe he never left the train . . .
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Maybe he is the data bank RN , or even crazier
POM-POM 🎉
Oooooooooooo that's a possibility! It's been implied that Pom Pom is Akivili tho so :shrugs: guess we'll find out :)
@@iamemamae i believe MC was Akivili , since we share its POV in penacony
and i just dont believe akivili made MC body for no reason
maybe its been using artificial body like Void archive does but then failed 🫡 that how its disappear not died
My Other theories are Stellaron is dying Aeon(Akivili) part/memory scatter around after its dies that why its somewhat sentient,
that also why we can found them in every planet that akivili path on
And since MC is Akivili's artificial body and have the stellaron , it would revive akivili after we encounter all the stellaron
This is also explain why MC got sick and couldnt handle penacony dream at the start , because MC are incomplete
Maybe that also why kafka do what she does and act friendly to us
@@owowo7623 See I like the theory that the Traiblazer is Elio (who is also highly connected to Akivili).
I'm really interested in information about the Stellarons. I think they're going to be really interesting in the future.
the subtle March Memokeeper theory in the beginning?? HELLO????
Missed out on the premiere but this one is another banger!
i am not convinced on aventurine being an otto variant, as there are enough physical features different (eyes, hair) that he's his own character. plus, the person otto lost wasn't really a sister figure if you're referring to kallen kaslana. it's pretty clear that he's in love with her. same with pela and ruan mei (though it's possible dr. MEI is her mother, as her name is a mashup of her mother and her father), and hanya & xueyi. i don't think having similar features in either appearance or story makes someone an explicit variant from hi3rd-- you could kind of argue everyone is an expy if you do that.
on another topic: it's interesting that you note aha as wielding a rapier. otto in hi3rd very frequently refers to himself as a "fool", to the point where one of the chapters in 'thus spoke apocalypse' (otto's big arc) is called 'dusk of a fool'. otto *also* had a kind of wacky adventure with sushang, who calls him "luocha" (meaning "raksha", an archaic chinese term for "foreigner").
Also the fact that we literally have an Otto expy in the form of Luocha and he is a one to one copy appearance wise. Her saying Aventurine is an Otto expy is a huuuge reach and just confirmation bias because he has blonde hair.
I've heard a lot of people go either way whether he was in love with her or not. Personally I like the perspective that he wasn't really in love with her but he idealized her. Either way, dynamics do work differently across the multiverse - she was important to him, someone he looked up to, and she died.
I understand what you're saying but I very much disagree. Especially with Xueyi/Seele. This is like the 7th time I've copy pasted this but - "Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :)"
I'm very interested in seeing the expansion on Otto's character. It's very clear he has some kind of link to the Elation, but exactly how that's gonna play out, I have no idea XD Excited for more!
@@leomatsubara8558 It's possible to have more than one Variant of the same character (again - Bronya/Silver Wolf, Seele/Xueyi - see my pinned comment).
IT’S A CANNON EVENT🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
i always love your lore videos!! they're so crazy but they make so much sense too
Apparently I'm now known in some circles as "the Crazy Internet Girl" I love it XD
I'm actually now wondering abt some of the "variants" that you mentioned bc I've never seen anyone else point out before:
-Xueyi & Seele (or Veliona), just how? i don't feel like there's anything that relates this two characters either in name or design, also Hanya and Xueyi are twin sisters so Hanya couldn't be Bronya in that case
-Dr Mei & Pela, they have similar designs (I'd say hairstyle mainly) but aside from that i don't see much connection. In the case of Ruan Mei maybe bc they're both scientists of sorts? but Ruan Mei's real name is unknown as her name is just her parent's name together
-Razor & Arlan, white hair and electro, i dont see how they're related personally
-Nahida & Theresa Apocalypse (from Hi3), both short and white hair but after that also see no correlation whatsoever
-Dan Heng/Feng & Welt Joyce, what (i dont see any connections in anything really, besides i dont think personally that vidyadharian reincarnation is an equivalent to cloning)
-Zhongli & Welt Yang, also what and how
-Mavuika & Himeko, i can see why and i want to believe that Mavuika is a variant of Himeko but i also have my fair share of doubts (the only thing keeping my belief of it is the genshin webcomic with the mention of the Murata Clan and such but who knows really)
I know this may seem like a comment with just negativity so I'm sorry if did came out that way, I'm actually curious abt the way these characters have any connection to each other because i sincerely just don't see it and would love to know abt what info ppl have abt them, because some others of course make sense like Venti (Genshin) and Wendy (Hi3/GGZ) or Yae Miko (genshin) and Yae Sakura (Hi3), to name some not mentioned in the video but the ones listed (with Mavuika and Dr Mei as the exceptions) are truly my first time hearing abt them lol
The lines drawn between variants are inherently very fluid, but I'll explain what I can.
Xueyi doesn't look much like Seele in Star Rail, but if you look at her in Honkai Impact, especially her early designs, she looks almost exactly the same (he also shares some design similarities with Herta). There's a sigil on her chest, she has the same haircut with the same stylized peakaboo highlights (in the same colors), and Seele in HI3 even spends a lot of time locked in another world, just like Xueyi, and her character has a close association with Death and rebirth, again, just like Xueyi. Hanya doesn't have many similarities to Bronya except for their close bond with a Seele, but Seele in HI3 does often call Bronya "jie jie" which is chinese for "Big Sister." She's not ACTUALLY her big sister in HI3, but it makes sense that as variants, Xueyi and Bronya could be :)
There isn't a lot of similarity between Pela and MEI aside from their visual similarities (but those haircut and glasses are very distinctive together). Ruan Mei is, just like Dr. Mei, a scientist with questionable morals. It doesn't actually matter what her real name is, because she goes by the same one as Dr. Mei. I don't know much about Dr. Mei as a character, though, so I can't say much.
Razor and Arlan are, as you said, both Electro and White Hair, but they're both also extremely loyal to their found family (the wolf pack/Asta) someone we meet very early in our journey as the perspective character and they're both associated with either the wolves or a dog (Peppy).
Nahida and Teresa aren't just short - they're both grown women trapped in the body of a child who nevertheless are seen as a mother figure to the young people around them. I've heard someone else elaborate more on this, but I haven't played Sumeru or much of Teresa's stuff in HI3 so I can't say more.
Whether or not it's strictly cloning, Dan Heng is somehow both Dan Feng and his own person, which is a very apt description of cloning. Both Joyce and Dan Heng/Feng are beings of incredible power, and Dan Heng/Joey both are given that power way too young, and are both young men in the care of Welt Yang. They also have visual similarities with the dark hair and emerald eyes.
Zhongli and Mr. Yang you've got me there. That's on vibes alone XD
Mavuika and Himeko are ABSOLUTELY the same character - Mavuika's original name in development was Murata, and Himeko's name in HI3 is "Murata Himeko". Another Himeko variant in Genshin is actually Diluc. In Honkai Impact 3rd, Himeko is a dramatic firey greatsword wielder who's also an alcoholic, just like Diluc. I love her so much!
@@iamemamae Hey, thanks for the response~
On the Xueyi & Seele in terms of lore with Seele trapped in the Sea of Quanta and Xueyi trapped as a judge from the Ten Lords Commission (due to paying the price of her crimes back with the whole Abundance tree and abominations era yk), that feels I'd say like a more solid connection true, design wise i still feel skeptical, altough the sigils in their chests ig do hold some ground. Also yeah the "onee-san" part with Bronya, bc they grew together in a orphanage with Cocolia as their mother in Hi3. Tbf Seele (HSR) iirc does remind me of Veliona at times so if they shoved two characters into one they could've represented Xueyi and Hanya as if Seele and Bronya were actual sisters, but Hanya and Bronya are nothing alike none of the Bronya's I'd say like you've mentioned. So in conclusion, Xueyi - Seele has more credit than i first thought that i gotta give you, but I'm skeptical abt it iwkvkqkckkq
Pelageya Sergeyevna and Dr Mei, yeah they're lookalikes i dont have anything to comment on that either, i first thought they were variants when i saw Pela but i saw no connections in anything sadly. And Dr Mei - Ruan Mei as character wise I'd say not much from my exp playing both games, name are the one connection though and who knows maybe will know Ruan Mei's real name in the future since she seems like she'll be important with Fugue/Tingyun and stuff.
On Razor and Arlan can't comment much as these two are really forgettable characters imo kwkfkqkjg, but at least i can see your points, i could also add how they're both protective but ig that relates to being loyal really.
Nahida - Theresa, i completely forgot abt Theresa's lore and her body iwivkakkckakkfka, and on the mother figure maybe with Nahida-Wanderer and Theresa-valkyries (cause in the early game stories she did tutor Kiana, Mei, Bronya and such so perhaps that comparable), aside from that i do feeo they're not related personally bc the deal with Nahida and the previous Archon doesn't have an equivalent in Theresa's case, besides how design wise there nothing alike and hoyo clearly loves lookalikes.
With Dan Heng i do agree that he seems to be his own person but due to his reincarnation being messed with he remembers the stuff that Dan Feng did (as said in the latest HSR update), so he does to carry two personas with him. Also is the power and responsibility comparison a High Elder & Core of Reason what you mean or am i getting that wrong? The Welt part does align though i gotta say, although i cannot say the same for the visual part cause Danny seems to have black hair and emerald eyes but Joyce has dark blue hair with blue eyes.
Tbf on the Zhongli situation, he is a mysterious man almost all of his lore is unknown, I've seen theories of him being a Shade sent by Celestia and other stuff irkqkgkwkkgkskg
And on the Mavuika - Himeko, i beg that they're related personally bc i love Himeko aigikakgkkakg
But the main issue i find is that the info abt Murata comes from the webcomic and that comic came around the beta of Genshin so things could've changed (like how Dottore seems like a dif guy all together for exmaple personally), we know that Venessa is a descendant from the Muratan Clan, and iirc there was an Archon at some point called Murata which could relate to her cause we know that the Pyro Archons were all humans with average human life spans, but aside from that nothing more (for now) cause we haven't seen any mention of the Muratan Clan for example which tbf may be long gone cause Venessa and that Clan appeared around 1000 yrs ago, and in the 5.1 quest it was basically stated that she's from the Scions of Canopy, at least another thing that correlates this too is that they both clearly have an affinity with a fate of death so fingers crossed she is Himeko but also that we won't have to cry again, like please my heart wouldn't be able to lose her once more iaigkqkkgkskgksk
I’d say Dan heng/feng and Joyce/joey is also questionable as from what I understand (correct me if I’m wrong) Joey has little to no memories from Joyce and seems to be his own person entirely
@@Randomytperson Like I said in the video, not everything has to be 1 to 1 (if it was, they wouldn't be a variant, they'd just be the same character). The point of a variant is that some things ARE different. In this case, Dan Heng was SUPPOSED to remember nothing, but got tampered with and now has both himself and Dan Feng in his mind.
I can explain Ruan Mei. She isn't an expy of Raiden Mei, just as Silver Wolf isn't Bronya. SliverWolf is Bronie, and Ruan Mei is MEI. Possibly even GGZ MEI - though that one isn't a confirmed expy. (Confirmed = same chinese VA + design elements + ideally japanese VA.)
I would love the plot twist of Void being Diamond! We need void to show his face!
My headcanon is that void archives came into the Starrail universe and encountered the aeons and was able to comprehend them which allowed him to copy finality and allowed him to go back in time to become diamond and luocha. Luocha is basically past void before encountering finality.
Luocha name is chinese nickname of otto apocalypse give to him by sushang when he was traveling with coffin in it a dead body and looking for reviving it.. so luocha is just pretty much a reference to that manga in honkai impact
I know. He goes by Luocha/Raksha in a bunch of stuff
FINALLY FINISHED WATCHING THE VID!!! It's shorter than the usual, but it's still a blast to watch through. Keep it up as always, Ema :)
Thanks, Raf!
Yoooo I was here when it started!
Yeah no Luocha isn't Oswaldo as u can find an interactable shelf in the Seat of Divine Foresight with the possibility of giving u the "Ally - Interastral Peace Corporation Headquarters" dialogue, in it , there is information about Oswaldo. It says "Head of Marketing Development: Oswaldo Schneider, a board member candidate. He is inexperienced, a Preservation zealot, and an expansionist. Potential threat level to the alliance: High.". Based on this we can conclude that the Alliance knows exactly who Oswaldo is and its highly unlikely that they wouldn't immediately recognize Luocha as Oswaldo. Also its likely that Luocha's name is just Otto Apocalypse since its a reference to Sushang having trouble with his name in the Shatered Swords visual novel.
Knowing who he is doesn't necessarily mean they know exactly what he looks like and Luocha did a very good job of not interacting with anyone in power. And you forget - Jing Yuan DID recognize him almost immediately.
Counterpoint: Hoyo couldn't keep a timeline straight if you wrote it for them and made them follow it at gunpoint.
Fair.
love your theories, they are fun.
Thank you so much :)
Can I propose a theory here for you to sink your teeth into? I think the IPC situation might be the opposite of Penacony. On Penacony we see confrontation between similar concepts (bad enough) but what absolute chaos would happen if one consept gets infused with an opposite consept?
You previously proposed that Propagation might have taken root in Preservation after the swarm disaster, but what if it wasn’t just pure propogation but destruction too since the entire event gave birth to Nanook in the first place? And just like there was Oak Family and Sunday on Penacony there might be followers of destruction inside the IPC. Like Oswaldo. This f*cker seems to cause destruction to everything he as much as touches.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Dimond, as an emanator of preservation, knows this problem and is thinking of ways to cleans the filth out of IPC. That trial over Aventurine kinda confirm to me that there are literal psychopaths even among stonehearts (bloodbath? Excuse me? Are you Elizaberth Bathory or smth?)
I am not really on board with the idea of Luo Cha being Oswaldo. I don’t really understand Luo Cha but from the way story was presented I think the thing inside the coffin is related to abundance, like an emanator of abundance who can’t die but wishes for it thus requesting to be brought to the Alliance. We see vines coming out of the coffin on in game art and in Luo Chas burst animation so it just makes most sense to me. Luo Cha does nor give me the bad guy vibes unlike Oswaldo who seems to be evil incarnate.
I have a theory as far as the IPC goes that might take things another direction. I think they're trying to ressurrect a fallen Aeon - Long the Permanence. We've noted that the only thing they really seem concerned with preserving is theirselves, but they don't just want preservation for their organization - they want it to be permanent. So now they seem to be kind of "reassembling" the different aeons that Long split into. I'm going to talk about this a little further when I do an overview of the Dan Heng/Feng lore, because this would massively concern him as one of the only remaining scions of Lan's power. It could go so many different ways rn.
Great video! Made me think of some extra things that I'd like to add:
1) As stated by some others before, the Amber of the Stonehearts is quite similar to the Amber in HI3 who is a servant to Otto. One thing I'd like to point out is that in their lineup in the Stoneheart trailer, if we take their order to be representative to their status, ironically Amber is at the bottom of the ten. This may mean either or both of 2 things:
- A clear indication that the Stonehearts DO follow the Propagation and no longer Preservation. If this would be the case, then Amber would obviously be at the bottom, as her power is PURELY of the Amber Lord, and her Stoneheart has none(if barely) any traces of Propogation in it).
- She may secretly have the closest ties to Diamond than the other Stonehearts, as she might have potentially been created by him himself. As HI3 Amber is a clone made of Soulium and Void Archives/Diamond is literally made from Soulium, then it could mean that VA might have been able to utilize it to create Amber(as following his cloning abilities, please correct me if I'm wrong). Thus, putting her into the Stonehearts, she could act as his "eyes" to keep checks on the other Stonehearts.
2) In the case of Diamond, if we consider the previous possibility that Amber can be created from Soulium, what would prevent him from creating another clone of himself? It has been seen numerous times in HI3, in both the comics and in the game. As such, Luocha can be another direct clone of Diamond may exist.
Adding to this, in the HI3 comics, it has been seen that Otto has been seen able to transform himself/make clones of others(i forgot which specifically, but it was the Sushanna comic). This would mean that Otto/VA/Diamond may not have a true form at all and any "clones" of him may be of any shape or form. This can be seen in "Shush" and HI3's Moriarty. Shush literally being a machine made from VA for the party car, while still retaining his voice(as seen in the mini-cutscene where the TB watches the TV and sees a blond individual sounding a lot like Shush). In the case of Moriarty(I am iffy on this subject), but was more of a rouge(?) Otto clone in the shape of a young boy/Otto that held their independent sentience to Otto himself. Luocha might actually be Diamond/VA using an independent Soulium clone to do his wishes in the Xianzhou, hopefully meaning the fragment of Tazzyronth is a Stoneheart.
3) The Cast Iron Throne/Diamond's seat fits well with VA's entire purpose. Created by Vill-V, I believe its main purpose is to consume all knowledge in existence, originally a library to the Previous Era in HI3. Such, the Cast Iron Throne (correct me if I'm wrong again) should help broaden his cognition (as seen by how one can connect to it to be a pale imitation to Nous's knowledge), and since he shouldn't pass out from having the thoughts of Nous for 0.1 seconds, it explains how he was able to harness it. However, as stated by VIll-V(or around her words), if VA had gain all knowledge in existence, if VIll-V acted as VA's medium, she would have "ceased to exist." Thus, this may also explain why there is no Tangible "Diamond," as the Soulium body that VA potentially used might have also ceased to exist. But if that's the case, how can Diamond still interact with the Stonehearts/ Opal? Easy, he (crazy thinking here) became one with the Cast Iron Throne.
4) Following the info from 2.7, Fugue is now a player in the game amongst Aeons. While this may seem a bit related, it was Luocha who brought her body to Ruan Mei and had her be brought to the Astral Express once she Recovered. This means that if VA has connections to Ruan Mei, then Diamond clearly has connections to her as well. This may give context to why Ruan Mei's research goes into reviving an Emanator of Propagation: Skaracabaz, as if they can revive something that has received the gaze of Tazzyronth, then what means they couldn't revive Tazzyronth itself? Such, by having Ruan Mei revive Tingyun, he can be on better terms with he Xianzhou, potentially winning in his deal with Jing Yuan. Alongside this, it could also mean that by having connections to a Genius member, he is one step closer to Nous and to infinite knowledge.
5) Somehow, Sampo will return. Sampo's name seems to be a reference to The Sampo, which in Finnish Stories, can produce anything infinitely. It's just a short offshoot thought, but the idea that Sampo has been found in the same places as the Stonehearts. In Jarilo, Topaz comes after Sampo plays a hand in reviving the planet. In Xianzhou, Loucha comes after Sampo leaves a bomb(?) and a letter to the TB. In Penacony, Jade and Aventurine come after Sampo gets info about his mask's whereabouts from Sparkle. Obviously great coincidences, but the potential that Sampo is an emanator makes this less of a coincidence, but a (coincidental?) connection. Perhaps he is an Emanator of Elation, but what says an Emanator can't follow one path? Perhaps he too follows Propagation(following the origin of his name) like Diamond and possibly they have connections. If this is the case, maybe Diamond could seek him to have some connections to the Elation, who can also give infinite knowledge on a whim(as seen in the Genius Worm scenario).
I was actually talking with someone in my discord about Amber a couple days ago. They were confused as to why I thought Diamond was Luocha (which I actually still do at this point - I found information that resolves the timeline issue while studying Dan Heng information) because Luocha was in prison at the time when Diamond attended a meeting with the stonehearts, and I made a point of telling them we never saw diamond there, only that his com was open and he was listening, but anyone could've been on the other side - and Amber seemed pretty busy on her computer at the time. A bit random but the point is, I also think Amber is going to be a major player coming up, if past games are any indication.
I don't yet know much about the cast iron throne, but what you're saying sounds a lot like what I've heard. And I agree, it lines up. I don't think he became one with the throne, but like I said, I don't yet have all the information.
One thing here - the reason Ruan Mei started cloning emanators is because she COULDNT clone an aeon, even though she tried. But knowing that she has ties to Luocha, we now know she at least has access to the remains of an aeon (maybe that's the debt to Luocha she was paying off).
I have thoughts on Sampo. I've recently been really looking into the Fools and the one common thread (pun intended) between them is they're all puppetmasters in their own right. Each of them are the driving force behind the plot no matter where they go, and there are a couple vague implications that Luocha may also be a fool (the fool with the rapier). But I don't have proof on that yet. I'm still looking.
Sounds like we're on the same track for a lot of this :)
- Diamond is technically not a pass down title as far as i know, the stoneheart whole system exist coz Diamond is an emanator, the cornerstone is his power being split into smaller piece then give to each member and he create that group so stoneheart exist coz of Diamond, not Diamond is a title exist and pass down coz of stoneheart. If you are a little confuse, just to let you know Diamond is not include in 10 stoneheart, he is the leader not a member:
1. Jade, 2. Obsidian, 3. Opal, 4. Aventurine, 5. Pearl, 6. Topaz, 7. Agate, 8. Amber, 9. Sapphire, 10. Sugilite
- I still don't buy VA being Diamond, it just don't match up with how long the stoneheart and diamond have been part of IPC compare to the possible time VA have been in hsr but i can get behind Luocha being Oswaldo as i can't see anything enough to debunk it yet
- Small correct time: 90% divine key in hi3 is created by Vill-V which include Void Archive, not dr MEI (also Pela, i know the meme, and Ruan Mei is not dr MEI variant, Ruan Mei is her parent name combine together not her real name)
I'm not confused. Check my video about the Secret of the Cornerstones. We have been given NO EVIDENCE (I checked) that the Cornerstones actually come from him. It's ALL ASSUMPTION. Unless someone can give me a link to a resource that says otherwise that is sourced directly from the game or from hoyo, I will stand by my statement that the stones were either given to Diamond by Qlipoth or came from Qlipoth and were found by Diamond. Diamond is assumed to be an Emanator, but there is a high likelyhood that may be a lie. Void Archives is able to emulate the abilities of others as a divine key.
Also I know about Vill-V, but Dr. Mei was also overseeing the experiments.
@@iamemamae Diamond is confirmed to be an Emanator in the Pom-Pom's Intel | Emanator Special in the IPC section
@@leomatsubara8558 I again think it's a lie - Diamond's personal agents are the Stonehearts but the Stonehearts seem to be doing things that actually undermine preservation rather than following it (think Topaz destabalizing Belobog, Aventurine on Penacony). Also if Diamond is VA and therefore has mimic capabilities, he could be mimicking an actual emanator. Until we actually meet Diamond or learn more about him in game, I'm skeptical of everything and I don't trust the game devs not to lie to us.
@@iamemamae - databank mentions that Diamond is a confirmed Preservation Emanator in the IPC, suggesting this information has been verified by the AExpress themselves
- In "Pom-Pom's Intel | Emanator Special" on HoYoLab, confirmed Emanators like Lord Ravager are directly mentioned, while speculative cases are labeled as theories similar to Harmonic String of the Family.
- For other factions like the Genius Society, Self-Annihilator or Xianzhou Alliance, the word "Emanator" isn’t used if the details aren’t clear. However, in the case of the IPC, they specifically use the term and name Diamond.
@@iamemamae
- Another reason i believe it coz i think there is a legit way to identify an emanator within hsr lore and not just through confirmation from the emenator themselves:
+ what path of a pathstrider can be identify, this have happen quite a few time in game and even clear proof when Blackswan quickly identify boothill path as hunt just through a phonecall
+ (somewhat base on honkaiverse lore in general) A emanator is fundamentally different from a pathstrider. A path are a collection of natural universe law under a concept/theme. An emanator being allow to directly access to the path mean their presence, existence and energy are fundamentally change and start to mingle with law of the universe withtin the path, making emanator emit a signature aura compare to a pathstrider. That mean it should be possible to identify emanator without needing to see their full power as not all emanator are as strong physically
-> What seal the deal is how Acheron was suspect to be an nihility emanator, eventhough she was trying to hide it, proving 2 point above that there are way to identify it even if one try to hide it
As far as I understand it, it’s not that hi3 and Star Rail are two worlds in the hoyo multiverse, Star Rail IS the multiverse. The earth of hi3 is just one world in the universe that Star Rail takes place in. We’ve seen in hsr that people are aware of the “theory” of the imaginary tree, and that some worlds are similar, and that expy people exist. Acheron was very aware of these things, but who knows if that knowledge comes from her being an eminator, or just from having traveled around since then.
Also it seems like Hoyo purposely makes timelines in hsr hard to track. My guess is that part of that is this is space fantasy, so there’s all sorts of magic, and part is the whole relativity thing of aging differently based on your solar system, how much time you spend in intergalactic travel, etc etc. But they reaaallllly don’t want you to make a timeline, I’ve tried.
I've had about 15 comments telling me the same thing. Unfortunately, the best thing for me to do at the moment is ignore this and treat each world as just another planet :/
@@iamemamae lol, I get it. Still a great video!
@@doombringerson Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
@@iamemamaeI want to say something that hsr is not multiverse it is a universe hoyo gose by the concept of a single universe with many worlds and the start of this story take place after the apho story end and a little 12 or 6 years then the trailblazer story start
That's not true hi3 isn't a planet within star rail, himiko said to welt his planet didn't exist star rail is in a different plane of the imaginary to hi3.
Now this is a lot easier to swallow than loucha being dimond
It's technically still possible for him to be (especially cause there's a bit more evidence that he left before March even got there), but I got peer pressured into changing the theory XD
While some characters in Genshin and Star Rail definitely have a connection to characters in Honkai, at least half of the cases shown in this video feel like a huge reach. I love your videos and all and for the most part, the video is great, but I really dont think we need to pull the nearest slightly similar Honkai character to justify any new character we get.
Also, for the Pronounciation of Schicksal (German for fate), it might be easier to look at how its syllables are separated: Schick - Sal. Small difference, but maybe it helps :D
Not nearly as much a reach as you think. The Seele/Xueyi one particularly I explained in my pinned comment - and all the others have some very specific story beats that connect each other. The only one that was on vibes alone was Mr Yang and Zhongli.
And thanks about the Shicksal, I've always had trouble with that word :/
10:06 slight correction, Void Archive was made by another scientist - Vill V, not Dr. MEI. Vill V made the first 3 divine keys and since all of them are super bizzare to the point of either being utterly useless in some cases or out right dangerous to humanity in some other cases, she was banned from directing any divine key project and anything she was assigned to would be under Dr. MEI's supervision
I know about Vill-V, but they worked under Dr. Mei so that's what I was referring to.
I thought it was basically confirmed that Luocha was an AU version of Otto? I can’t remember exactly which quest (I think the Luocha character quest? Or Star Rail version thereof) but Walt sees Luocha on a security tape (before we defeat Phantylia) and says something along the lines of “I have run into multiple versions of this man specifically and every one of them has been bad news” and it’s implied he’s talking about Otto, I think. Or I could be remembering wrong, I apparently recall fewer details than I thought I did.
It was implied - there are other possibilities (see my previous video)
Unfortunately missed the premiere, but great video! As someone who's also made videos tackling the lore of this game, having to deal with multiverse variants can get pretty confusing, especially with the blonde man that is Otto/VA/Luocha/whoever else has this same look. Based on my research, the "tongue-twister" of Luocha's real name could be a reference to Seven Swords, the HI3 visual novel that Luocha takes visual inspiration from due to how Otto appeared in that. There, people of Shenzhou called him Raksha (a variant of the name Luocha) with Sushang saying his real name was too hard to pronounce. That could be what they're referencing here, hinting that Luocha's name is just Otto Apocalypse, like how Acheron's real name is still Raiden Mei, but Oswaldo sounds close enough to Otto that I can see why you drew that conclusion instead.
Also about the Aha Luocha joke... I mean Otto does down a clown mask and is known as Clown A at one point so you never know :)
Yeah, I know about the Raksha/Luocha connection. It's so awesome. I want to look into if his name is difficult to pronounce in Chinese, cause this is a moment where the language difference might be a significant barrier in some ways.
I'm trying not to think about Clown A atm XD he's definitely got a link to the Elation, among other things, but there just isn't enough information about his Star Rail motives to say much about it yet.
@@iamemamaeYes, Otto Apocalypse it's a difficult name to pronounce in chinese. As the comments said, it's more likely to be a reference to the novel, nothing else to think hard about 😅
@@Akyra_Jazz Thanks :)
4:33 This made me laugh. Aha would be amused
I find it interesting that Acheron basically explained this alternative universe and why some people look or seem as others but some people in community jump on others when they compare 2 characters just because they are not 1:1 same... Maybe because it was rather hidden scene.
But on the topic of the video, I have a feeling that VA plays more important role, tho it might overlap with Diamond. If you look at HI3, HSR and GI then somehow VA has some very specific similarities in all of them: If I understand it right then the "default" look of Void Archives is that of yellowish - orangish cube, which looks like HSR stellaron, not only that but VA can be turned into other things and can be used as a weapon for example, which is kind of the same to what the GI twins do, they also have some power that lets them summon armaments in similar color. On the surceface these are just some random similarities but if you look at it, they are not that random, they are literally one of the most important things in the game.
Here comes Loucha that I believe is Otto of this universe. It is mainly because we know 2 things about him 1. His power stems from Abundance, 2. He carries remains of propagation in the coffin. Isn't that badically a description of Otto? Not literally ofc but if you played through Thus Spoke Apocalypse I believe you should have a similar feeling.
Love your theories sm!! It gives me energy to go and learn about the whole hi3 lore ❤
5:52
"Honkai impact 3rd and Star rail are parallel realities"
who's gonna tell her?
Not gonna blame em the cosmology of the imagery tree is confusing as hell especially since most people in universe don’t fully understand it
I'm ignoring it for as long as I can. Don't break my reality....please.........
10:08 small correction here. Divine keys are made by Vill-V not Dr MEI
They both had a hand in it (at least according to the wiki which very well could be wrong :/) it says she oversaw it more or les, and Vill-V had a more direct role in it. I focused on Mei because she's the one who has a variant I can clearly draw a line to in Star Rail (Ruan Mei)
This makes much more sense than your previous theory and I strongly agree with it. Now, VA could either be against Otto expy (Luocha) or maybe working alongside him. Does he really want to destroy the IPC or does he want to use it for himself?
All we can do is wait, and let the writers cook
Correlations are pretty sus and probably intentional. But I do think there can easily be multiple versions of Otto in HSR, since we already have Silver Wolf and Bronya Rand. The Honkai universe is big, and sometimes worlds in it like Earth and Teyvat can feel as big despite being isolated from the rest of the universe, and even Teyvat has both Ayato(similar vibe, voice, intel.) and Deshret (roughly Apocalypse crest, spreading the Apocalypse, forbidden knowledge, screwing thousands of people over).
Mhm very true. I do think there are multiple Otto's around (see Luocha and Aventurine :) To go much higher than 3 or four though might start getting confusing. We'll see how they handle it, though :)
What I would say to the IPC: “I’m the Qlipothian. And so were the rest of you before you formed this stupid alliance. You wanted to be safe from the Swarm so you became a stupid Swarm. That makes every IPC here less Qlipothian than me.”
“Yeah, murmur it up, d-bags. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got pancakes back home with syrup on top of them. They’re about to hit that critical point of syrup absorption that turns the cakes into a gross paste. And I hate to get all Andy Rooney about it, but I think we all like fluffy discs of cake with syrup on top! And I think we also like to be accused of crimes when there’s evidence! So as they say in Belobog, peace oot!”
I'm so happy I called out the Avgin Genocide being a reason why Oswaldo and Void arent the same person!!
Just my two cents, Aiden, genius society member number 22, the first to make contact with the IPC.
Silver Wolf is the Waluigi of HI3 Bronya
Ive never heard the idea of Dan Heng and Dan Feng being the Welt Joyce's before, but that works shockingly well, the expy characters seem to exist bc the devs want to explore parts of similar ideas in new ways/in more depth, and what is the story of the two Joyces and the cloning but a story of what is your identity if a past you existed and is still leaving ripple effects on the world around you? And that - thats Dan Heng's identity crisis to a T!!
The greater change in appareance than other expy characters makes sense too with Welt Yang right there, the devs have olans for him that dont involve losing his shit over having an alternate version of his son who grew up in prison so they just changed things enough that the spirit of the exported character remains but they can side step that issue
Though now im kind of hoping that we get to see, like, the first Vidyadhara of Dan Heng's lineage (? Is that the beat word to use??) And he has hair that looks more like its dark blue than black, that would be amazing 😂
You know what's absolutely heartbreaking especially after my latest video about Dan Heng? It's the idea of Dan Heng just kinda hanging out with his hood up in a crowd somewhere, trying to disappear, and the Express just happens to be there, and how Mr. Yang's heart must have just...stopped.
Hey! So the recent HI3rd chapter revealed something really relevant to the honkaiverse in general... So the star rail verse and impact verse may be in the same universe and that earth is just so far from the aeons that they can't seem to reach them. Idk if it was a mistranslation but the Livestream definitely mentioned that they're in the same universe so idk if it's relevant to the theory.
I'm literally ignoring this fact until I can't ignore it any more. :|
@@iamemamae gurl the Collab is coming so you can't really ignore it any longer but maybe it can bring new theories like how does no aeon reach earth.
Actually, I’m pretty sure one scene in the collab I saw a snippet of said that the memokeepers only became aware of her world recently. And the reason they noticed seems to have possibly been Kiana becoming the Herrscher of Finality making her world actually visible. And judging by what black swan said about that far off world even Akivili didn’t reach, it seems that the Garden of Recollection has ridiculously impressive capabilities at noticing far off worlds.
But this means that the explanation for why no Aeons have reached earth yet is just cause it’s so far off, that the first ones to notice seem to be some of the people who are Aeon Adjacent, managing to only just notice the residual energy of a Herrscher of Finality coming into being, meaning that the likely answer is that the earth is so ridiculously far off, and that the Aeons tend to have much bigger fish to fry, like Lan dealing with Yaoshi, Qlipoth building that wall, etc. But now, some forces are aware because recent events are on a large enough scale to draw notice.
Edit: This does personally make me wonder what kinda witchcraft happened that Welt and Void Archives got sent that far in one go when literally none of the known Aeons seem to be aware of what’s going on somewhere so far off.
@@mjperez232 I CAN AND WILL (pouts)
@@mysticseer6424 To my knowledge, that was a part of new story chapter and not an event, global release of HI3 updates is just a lot later than china release. There is a scene where a certain Memokeeper from Garden of Recollection (that has some resemblances to March 7th on top of that) visits Kiana, and asks her some questions like which Aeon this planet follows and calls her an Emanator, just to realize that Earth is just too far out of Aeons reach. Kiana is confused as she doesn't understand but then that Memokeeper wants to take her memories which makes Kiana mad
I really do like your dinamic edits through the video, some of the most fun ones of hoyo lore channels.
Now on this past two videos theories, I honestly didn't liked. Ema I think we just have too little information on this topics to create theories rn, the links are too weak imo.
Edit: one thing I recall from hi3 is that "Otto Apocalypse" name was hard to spell for the chinese characters in the game (Li Sushang for example), and that's sort of where the Jing Yuan "tongue twister name" comes from.
Ah yes, thank you! I was wanting to look into how the Chinese translations treat Otto's name. It's not terribly difficult to say in English, but it might be different in other translations.
And I get it - but it's fun for me to think about :) And I made crazier theories and ended up right in the past, so we'll see how things go. My favorite thing is to take as little information as possible and get as close to the truth as possible, and so far it's going ok.
9:41 *spittake* THERE COULD BE *THREE* OF THESE LUNATICS?!?!
*sees the part about Aventurine being an Otto variant possibly in addition to a Void Archive expy*
Oh the HSR universe is FUCKING DONE FOR 😂
Another banger of a video!!
Also, I'd love this shorter video format too, the problem being the long form videos makes you look like a mad Genius sitting atop a pedestal looking down on commoners as you uncover conspiracies, while this looks more akin to a research fellow instead.
So pick your poison Ema 🙃
Thank you so much
me, checking timestamp: five minutes or less, you say
but aven as an otto variant??? i did not see THAT coming
Ema, I need you to look at the Harmony trailblazer’s splash art and tell me those flowers do not represent Luocha
Mmm very possibly. I find it especially interesting that they're sitting next to a revolver, which is the only representation of Boothill in the picture. More evidence for Luocha being Oswaldo in my book.
Sorry but Void being Diamond is just weird. Like why do that when they clearly are important for different storylines. Void is important for his own storyline, probably connected to Welt and Diamond is gonna be the center of the IPC storyline from the looks of things. This isn't HI3 or Genshin, its a vast universe with lots of characters, the likelyhood of the same central character for 2 storylines is pretty minimal.
World building requires more characters not fewer, also for Void to move so quickly up the IPC's ranks and become an Emanator is a bit much
Who says they won't make those different storylines intersect in the future? That's a mark of good storytelling is making everything connect in a way that makes sense. It's not Genshin or HI3 but it's made by the same people, so their storytelling will likely be similar.
Also, I don't think diamond's an emanator. I think VA is pretending to be an emanator using his mimickry.
@@iamemamae Like I said its about scale. Making everything connected will take away from the scale of things. Its a whole universe that the Astral Express are exploring, having major storylines all connected will make it all feel like its all in the same neighborhood.
Why do you think Penacony had nothing to do with the Luofu or Jarilo VI. Its meant to have its own story.
Shoving Void in a major faction like the IPC would just needlesly connect it to HI3. Void should be reserved for his own mini story with Welt, or have him play a support role. It makes no sense to make someone like that be Diamond, the most important character in the IPC.
@@Rodiacreed This may be one of the only cases in the entire Star Rail story where this "the planets are completely separate" situation doesn't work. Because there is a group who connects all the planets and can come and go as they please, and it's the IPC. I feel like you've got something about the story here wrong - Star Rail is going to be very episodic for a while, with each planet remaining separate, but like with any good episodic story, there does need to be an overarching plot for it to all make sense. I think Luocha/Oswaldo with his Propagation stuff is our first glimpse into that big overarching plot that will bring everyone together in some way. It may not be the kind of story you like, but we've been told explicitly by Kafka that this is how things are going to play out, and it's how a lot of good stories have been told - everything's separate until it isn't.
@@iamemamae Its not so much that I don't like that kind of story, I just don't think HSR is that sort of story.
I'm just saying things will be episodic and not everything will be connected fully. I don't doubt that the utlimate destination will have something from each world we visit but having Luocha/Oswaldo be the same character and having them be the grand arch-enemy is just not it.
Luocha is probably not gonna be a villian. Oswaldo wil be the main enemy for the IPC story most likely. It makes no sense for them to be connected or be the same person.
Oswaldo is meant to be super imperialistic and very smug by his description, Luocha is a nice guy who might have a hidden agenda. Their personalities don't add up and their stories don't look like they have anything in common really.
Kafka only said that Nanook is involved in the story but never said everything is connected, some characters will be recuring but that isn't that same as having everything be about one single story.
I mean it wouldn't even work as HSR has multiple writers for the different worlds so clearly a different vision for each "episode".
Genshin, is literally in the same continent and all Archon's are connected by Celestia so yeah having it all be part of a whole would work.
HSR on the other hand doesn't have any "Celestia" it has several gods who have their own story, some like Lan and Yaoshi are connected and some do not. Propagation and Preservation are meant to be their own thing or they wouldnt 'have had Topaz barely do anything on the Lufou.
Also imo a character like Luocha will be overshadowed by all the Arbiter-Generals and the Marshal so having him be one of the most influential characters in the IPC is just weird...
i agree with you, this is too far fetch
for a theory@@Rodiacreed
One thing, Dan in my thoughts may be a copy of Fu Hua - an immortal creature reborn over and over again, each time having a different appearance, like the names under which Fu Hua influenced the world, and even more so, just change the race from phoenix to dragon, even her theme of clouds and ink is saved.
Definitely could be another variant there! I want to wait to draw a conclusion there until we learn more about Marshal Hua in the upcoming stuff :)
You all forgot how Otto love to used soluim materials to created a clone copy of himself right also welt also has a body probably some honkai gene or just like when he can recreate his own body with the power of herrcher of reason he might have alter his own body similar to soluim like void archive current body
thank you black-rz1xy
"That sure is a name" my reaction exactly to english/american names when i was younger xD
Oswaldo Schneider IS a name you dont hear often anymore, even in german speaking regions.
Similar to Joachim.
Or Siegfried. Or Edelgard.
Otto is still used a lot tho.
Also it is funny to hear almost everyone pronounce "Otto" like Auto. The correct way would be with a shorter first O and a very harsh T.
Similar to how "hot" is pronounced, just without the h. Hot-o.
I'm earllyyyyy yippee!! I love ur channel!
It would be extremely awesome if you could construct a Honkai star rail theory discussing more details on imaginary numbers, complex exponentials, and complex analysis and tying it together with the imaginary tree concept in hoyoverse. This is because taking the natural log of negative numbers results in a logarithmic branch point which may explain the branches of the tree.
I am especially convinced that the imaginary tree is a 🌀 spiral and the stem is a complex exponential while its leaves and branches are logarithms.
I'm definitely not gonna be doing that, sorry XD I have no idea if the writers would have even thought that far. It is, at the end of the day, just a story. It may not be that internally consistent, and either way I'm really bad with math.
I really liked the theory! If's not a problem, I'll share a theory that me and my friend are talking about for a while now!
I like to think that Void can be a Stellaron Hunter. I know that sound crazy but, hear me out: we can notice that each individual on the Express has a "counterpart" on the Stellaron Hunters, I'll write down
Himeko & Kafka
Dan Heng & Blade
March & Silver Wolf
Trailblazer & Elio
Welt & ?
I know that Silver Wolf and March is a bit unhinged, but comw to think of it, can make sense in some way. We know that Void leaves the Express after rescue March, and is said in Kafka's story line tells that Elio and >>another
Yeah, I've discussed that with a few people here and there - especially in my discord server. It's a fun theory :)
Now my brain goes brrrr...
What if, and a big what if, the Aventurine cornerstone being the Void Archives is why Ratio is willing to work with Aventurine, aside from the Avgin being a little smartiepants himself. Like, what if Ratio is the other half of this universe's Archives?
I'm crazy I know but... the power of Imaginary wpuld work and Ratio is all about understanding, reason and removing ignorance from the universe...
I actually like that a lot. I don't know how well it lines up in universe, but the idea of it feels nice, if that makes sense.
My theroy on how the ten stone hearts where made is that Diamond (or someone else from the IPC) used the remains of Tazzyroth to make the Corner stones. It makes much more sense then being a part of Qlipoth since Qlipoth doesnt really care all that much about the IPC, so why the hell should he help them? Its a very loose theory since there isnt much to support it but with the information we have i think its possible. If anyone does have anything to support/counter this theory i'd like to see.
You should check out my "secret of the cornerstones" video, cause I go waaaaaaaaaaaaay into it :)
Hard to say that Diamond is any more of a newbie than Oswald, given that he should already be boss of the Stonehearts by the time Adventurine was taken in by Jade which means he's also already the Director of Strategic Investment. It really never sounds like the Stonehearts were always there, but that Diamond personally promoted them to work for him even throughout their replacements. One could claim that Diamond is also just a job position that changed hands, but then who would promote him to 'Diamond' and grant him the Cornerstones and why is this unique to the Strategic Investment Dept. specifically ? Why are do we not hear about any other 'Stonehearts' in the other six departments ? There is only one other named Preservation Emanator(so far) in the IPC other than Diamond, and that's Taravan who only recently allied with Diamond. So, who would grant VA the title of Diamond, the Cornerstones and command over the Ten Stonehearts; all privileges that seem to be absent from other Department Heads ? If the answer is Qliphoth, then there's little reason to say Diamond is VA himself in particular.
So in the end we need to believe that VA convinced other Preservation Emanators in the IPC board that he is one and that he should have the Cornerstones if he didn't make or gather them himself... and in spite of that he's still not a board member yet. I think that's kind of harder than what we know Oswald accomplishes.
I can't say that I don't find the idea of VA fighting with an Otto expy for the position of a board member of an interstellar corporation funny though, because that's exactly the kind of shenanigans I'd expect from them. It's not like HI3 itself didn't meme Welt and Otto as rival CEOs of different corporations before, haha...
Speaking of Void Archive variants, don't you think the exploration of Rubert I's Tomb that IPC is also involved in and the teased plotline of a possible Rubert III sounds like a scenario most likely to have Void Archives ? VA's been wanting to escape his job programming and we don't know yet if enough happened in the blank between APHO and HSR for him to be able to do so. Sounds like he'd be very interested in Rubert and the machine uprisings.
I agree - Diamond had to have been there by the time Aventurine arrived, but here's the thing - Aventurine only became a Stoneheart VERY recently - maybe only months prior to Penacony - many of the other Stonehearts have never even spoken to him. That's actually implied as part of the reason Diamond sent him to Penacony. It was seen as sort of a suicide mission, and Aventurine was the newest recruit AND one that none of the others particularly liked (he may have killed their colleague, the previous Aventurine after all). So, to Penacony he went.
There are actually several people above Diamond and the board - 2 I can think of for sure were talked about in Gold and Gears (I haven't studied that event yet, sadly), so there's plenty of room for VA to have been brought into the position fairly recently too. Also, since VA has mimicry powers, whether he's just filling the spot of a previous emanator, or they're talking about him when they say "Diamond's an emanator" he would be able to paint himself as a very powerful preservation user (or any other path, for that matter) if he wanted to, with a little trickery.
I haven't studied up on the information about Rubert yet, but I'm getting to it. I'll talk about my thoughts on that afterward :)
A TIMELINE
*FNAF SHUDDERS IN ANTICIPATION*
YEP. NEVER ATTEMPTING THAT AGAIN.
Always happy to see a new more EmaMae theory
I'm gasping for air in this one, new information jabs left and right, just as I'm about to process a statement a new one uppercut me to the head 😂. Even my "currently in diagnose" ADHD brain can't keep up, anyway, great video emaa!
Thanks!!!
1:50 I think that's wrong because va left right before dan heng joined and march's voice line about him she says that dan heng joined before her so the reasonable time line will be himeko welt va, va left got replaced by dan heng then march then us 😅
This is the first time someone has referenced him leaving before Dan Heng but I sincerely hope it's true - do you have a source for that? (Please, I've been breaking my brain over this concept for weeks I need resolve).
Uhhhhh I wanna hear more about the March Memokeeper theory now.....
That's pretty much all there is to it - she bears a stylized memokeeper "cross" motif, and she uses a camera, which according to Black Swan, some memokeepers do use cameras to capture and store Memories, but it's only one of several methods memokeepers use. Also, the garden of recollection has taken a very special interest in March, with her companion quest including a memokeeper telling her not to look for her past.
Loved the video!! Just a small correction, the divine keys were actually made by Vill-V, not Dr. Mei :) but she did work for her so maybe there's a connection with that!!
I'm pretty sure you didn't play HI3rd and the story can get super confusing, so kudos for still trying to put it all together!
I'm aware of Vill-V - I was referring to Dr. Mei because she worked under Mei :) I played HI3 only up through Bronya bringing Welt home from the Sea of Quanta, so I've definitely missed a few things XD
4:11 ah yes.....good time
Come onnnnn he is isn't he? Maybe it Aha along
Silver Wolf is actually Bronie, who's version of Bronya, but not that Bronya.
If you want to make more videos about cosmology and connection between games I would recommend doing some research on many-worlds interpretation that Hoyo uses in their games, since it works differently than the most popular concept of multiverse that you can see in pop culture - It will help you in the long run.
Bronie is also a Variant of Bronya, so I do consider them the same in a way.
I don't plan on doing more multigame connection aside from maybe one or two more sort of joke videos in the future.
I would also guess March to be 20-ish, but recently I was taken aback by someone calling her something along the lines of a young teen, and it didn't sound like a joke. Unfortunately, I just remember my incredulity to the line, while the details escape me, like when it was (definitely after penacony, probably in her training arc) or who said it (maybe herself, which wouldn't be reliable, but I assume she knows the difference between being 15 and an adult).
I would've said 14 when we first met her, but I've since learned, when you see someone drawn in an anime style, they are most likely older than you think they are. Unfortunately, since we don't have a confirmed age for march (and it's likely even she doesn't know) we'll have to stick to guessing :/
@@iamemamae Well, I barely started the latest story patch, but now we know she at least passes for a college student.
idk if this helps but in hi3rd comic, otto's helper/secretary-ish coded subordinate is called Amber & same name in cn as well as en too. my brain is too destroyed to cook further rip.
Wizard of Oz & Wicked Theory:
1. Oswaldo Schneider -> Wizard.
2. Dr. Primitive -> Flying Monkeys.
3. Pier Point -> Emerald City.
4. Diamond -> Glinda the Good.
5. Aventurine -> Wicked Witch.
XD Hey, I've made crazier theories (see "when hoyo becomes fnaf")
Fun theory. But just so you know. Going back to your last video, that whole thing with loucha's gold hand and the diamond shown in topaz's trailer. Well it's kinda debunked when you realize it's just a daft punk refrence. Seriously just Google daft punk and go to images. The helmet and gold hands are an exact match
I mean it definitely looks like daft punk but I don't think it's just a reference.
With how INSANELY FAR hoyo took the Bohemian Rhapsody references in Genshin, along with how crazy they are about music in general...the reference might be important story/lore wise.
Whoaa Gravity Falls clip reference
Yep! I love Gravity Falls :)
its one universe, just diferent worlds (planets)
2:46 feel like aventurine might not age normally because he's an avgin and of how time and days change between one planet and another
That's why I said "Assuming there's no time dilation". The Avgin are human as far as we know though.
you know i could be studying for my solid mechanics exam thats tommarrow... buuuuut
1:56 Void Archives is during Himeko’s time, probably a typo IG?
Oop ye - he is.
Aaaahh(a) the Elation...
Nah, I am still betting on the other way around. VA is Oswaldo and Luocha is Diamond. Below is not my attempt to change your mind, but more like an explanation of my thought process, which you may find interesting/useful.
I love my speculations to be as simple as they possibly can. As if I was a HoYo writer in need to quickly plan the plot for future few patches, put some dots for the current big arc and write something right now to not to fall out of 6 weeks schedule. In other words, I prefer theorize about stuff more like an author writing it, not a theory-crafter who can spend a month meticulously trying to discern the exect timeline of events and neatly put things in place. OR try to pull out every obscure Nameless in the lore and theorize how any one of them can be that very important, yet obscure character. I like it simple. Narratively efficient.
Please bear with my little outburst of graphomania. There is a lot of words, but their meaning is very simple.
We have two Ottos. One is present as local Luocha, one is present as VA, which stole HI3rd Otto's body. Otto/VA is very important to everything bearing the name "Honkai" in the title. So if we have two of them, OG and AU, both for sure will be important to the story. And the most logical plot resolution to do here is to put them against each other. Many good storytelling opportunities. But that is the stuff for the later half of the story. For now we need a mystery "who's who" and "what's happening" to keep people engaged. It is the means to an end and we don't need to shoot ourselves in the knee by overcomplicating the story.
Thus we would introduce four people on the scene, but all of then are still just two people. Two Ottos and two people who are their currently chosen persona to go by. Personas somewhat based on their actual character. To make it latter more digestible.
First. VA and Oswaldo. Character analysis. Both are new people on the HSR scene, but are very capable, intelligent and dangerous. Both prone to trickery like lying, masquerading and all that. Both are definitely not good people (to put it lightly). Both are connected to the Nameless. One was a Nameless, then he disappeared and somewhere in that same timeframe another Nameless appears at IPC and starts to climb ranks too quickly, doing bad stuff.
So, what this pairing gives us narratively? "VA = Oswaldo" neatly ties-in several important characters and factions into the one coherent subplot/narrative. VA/Oswaldo ties together Nameless and Astral Express through Welt, Boothill and Galaxy Rangers through revenge subplot, everyone at IPC, including higher-ups, due to Oswaldo's position in the company, Honkai universe with its cast due to Oswaldo being VA from the HI3rd. One simple connection brings together a lot of plotlines, possible resolutions and story developments. Which in the future will make that all more digestible for a player. We have many things happening, but all of them are connected together through only one well-known guy.
But there is some other big narrative currently happening on the background. An Aeonic one. So...
Second. Luocha and Diamond. Character Analysis. Both are enigma-characters. We barely know them, we don't know their names, we don't know their stories, past, agendas, nothing except both being in some way affiliated with IPC and Diamond having that gold hand, which connects him to Otto. But we don't know to which of them, because Luocha wears glows (how convenient). Except that the only thing of importance they both share is the connection to Aeon and Aeonic shenanigans. Diamond with Cornerstones/Qlipoth and Luocha with remains of Tayzzyronth. And both this Aeons are already very interconnected with each other, which we know from SU subplot.
What gives us such connection narratively? We have potentially very important character being a throughline of background "Aeonic" subplot. It connects several Aeons and factions. Tayzzyronth, Qlipoth, Yaoshi, Lan, Xianzhou, Genious Society (Simulated Universe subplot by proxy) and IPC. Also that plotline technically includes Elio, Stellaron Hunters and Finality with all that prophecies of bad Aeonic Conflict happening in the future. Same as with VA/Oswaldo, here we have very simple intersection of numerous plotlines through only one character (Luocha/Diamond) who is directly connected to Aeons.
So again, why this is the simplest and (in my opinion) the most realistic explanation of this Otto situation? Because it is narratively simple.
With VA/Oswaldo and Luocha/Diamond we have two characters who aggregate whole enormous scope of different HSR plotlines into two very simple and understandable subplots. Everything boils down to two big main narratives.
One is more grounded adventures and politics with IPC shenanigans, all this character interactions and dramas, revenges, character growth, everything we love. All basically revolves around one character, which also connects both Honkai games together. The other narrative is more on the background. Behind-the-scene Aeonic story, which is meant to set up some "big event" later down the timeline, but not now. It is removed from the simple story structure on the main adventure not to complicate things. And again all is tied together only to one specific character, enigmatic character (which is useful to not overcomplicate the story at this moment).
For any writer after that, the only thing what remains is to tie this two separate main narratives together and then connect them to the story of the protagonist, which is a players' window into the story. We already tied them together through the Otto/VA/Luocha. That's not a problem. Put Ottos against each other as enemies and both narratives connect naturally. But we also have very simple and neat way to tie it all to the Trailblazer. In an understandable way. VA/Oswaldo integrates into protagonist's story through Astral Express/Nameless/Welt/Honkai connections, which are already established. Luocha/Diamond integrates into protagonist through Stellaron, Elio's prophesy about protagonist's importance for Aeonic conflict in the future, our current dealings with Genious Sociaty and Simulated universe. All that. Which is alreayd established.
I think you can see how organic this pairings feel if you look at them this way. Instead of getting into the weeds of "Maybe Luocha is actually evil, but he plays triple game of cover double agent, and VA is somehow acquired this cornerstones and does... something, while Oswaldo/Luocha just carries remains of Tayzzyronth around in their coffin".
It is definitely very interesting to theorize such things, but sometimes I pull myself and just think "Do you really think they would so overcomplicate things for no reason? Maybe at some point we should just consider hints at the face value? It is still just a game, not scientific paper on the nature of reality. It is just bunch of people writing a story in the 6 week patch release cycle. All they want is to just tell a good, engaging and understandable story. Not write the most insane and overly complex plot in the universe just for the sake of it".
Ohhhh that's a text wall. XD You put some thought into this.
I am curious though, how would you resolve the timeline issue? Void was on the express until about 2-5 years ago, while Kakavasha's planet was ransacked 8-10 years ago. Void Archives would've had to be in contact with the IPC as Oswaldo while he was still on the Express for that to work. Not impossible, but highly unlikely in my mind, especially cause it'd have to be right under Welt's nose, and Welt knows what VA is like.
This is why timelines are so annoying :/
@@iamemamae This is why I try not to touch it, hahah. HoYo seems to be very deliberate with making any timeline in HSR as obscure and confusing as possible. Probably to always keep their hands free when they plan the plot. So while that question about timelines is absolutely legit, I think even in HoYo not many think about it.
Like, I believe you can imagine something like "Ah yes, around 5 maybe 6 years ago VA left Express and got in contact with IPC as Oswaldo. And one of the first things he did was resolution of the conflict on Kakavasha's planet. That boosted his career". And they just leave it all at that. Who cares about possible 1-2 years of overlap. Technically it is possible and writers never attempted to put their plot into any solid timeframe to begin with.
So I try to do the same and some aspects of mystery I just decide to ignore, because I doubt HoYo themselves put too much thought into it. Narratively it works very well and seems obvious, demands not so many assumptions, so I just bet on that.
a little correction not really necessary but void archives is not made by Dr. Mei but is made by my Vill-V!
Dr. Mei oversaw the project, that's why I stated it as I did :)
The theory is "insert character from honkai impact 3rd here" like every other theory
What did you expect
@bongy-o1q An actual theory instead of just "This character is this character from the other game"
cause he is :) (insert tom holland batman voice here) there's been crossovers. there has.
Arent you right there was a refrence to the 10 stone hearts being made by qlipoths body i remember one of the stone hearts saying in the context of adventurine breaking his stone heart that its wrong , forbidden or crime to hurt , damage qlipoths body i belive the 10 stone hearts are part of qlipoths body
It's the cornerstones, not the Stonehearts but yes. The description of the "Celestial Amber" synthesis material confirms it.
@@iamemamae wow great also yea I forgot what they were called while writing this
Such an AHA moment 🗿🗿
one nitpick i have is that xueyi isnt a seele expy- sure, they slightly look alike (short hair with a colored underside), but thats about it. personality wise, she isnt similar to seele at all, or even veliona if you ask me.
i dont particularly enjoy the implication that hanya is bronya here- bronya in hi3rd had a very romantic relationship with seele (re: kiss)
i know that expys dont need to have similar personalities (seele and seele in hsr and hi3rd, yae miko and yae sakura), and characters with similar appearences arent exactly expys
i just,,, dont see a connection here
See my pinned comment about Seele/Xueyi. They are the same. You cannot change my mind.
The Bronya/Hanya implication is based entirely on the Xueyi/Selle implication and there's nothing else supporting it besides gray hair and "tired eyes". They're not romantically involved in this world because they're sisters, but I agree it's weird to think about.
7:25 didn't jing yuan himself called luocha a yaoshi abomination and luocha telling him that he is right?
It was speculation on Jing Yuan's part, and Luocha does have Abundance power, but my theory is questioning if maybe he got it in an...unconventional manner. Otherwise, why would he be trying to kill Yaoshi?