Gravity Booster Pump [Proof Of Concept], Better Than A Ram Pump?
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- In this video I first show the operation of the pump I built, the go over the design and development stages in a coarse manner. I'm sure there are questions and comments but I've tried to hit on the main points.
So far I've tested this pump to about 17PSI in height from a supply of 6.8PSI and it can pump about 1 gallon per hour using about 1 gallon per minute of water for an approximate effixiency of 4%.
Total cost for the main components was about $150 including a bunch of stuff I had laying around.
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putting "free energy" in the thumbnail might attract the wrong crowd, good video tho
I can silence the stinkers.
title is perfect the video, this will pay for itself in about.. never
you can look at it as the tax for the "free energy" people to pay for stupidity
@@josep.3364 It's more free energy than 99% of free energy videos.
in the end, we don't need energy. we need power.
voltage=energy
current=energy
by themselves... nothing happens.
only when voltage and current are combined, present at the same time, we get POWERrrrr
to do work
electroboom will say its all fake XD
Viewer engagement!
Utilizing the waste water from the seesaw into a collection tub could subsequently be dispersed passively into a garden or flower bed!
You can certainly do that but oftentimes you want the pump at the very bottom of your site to gain maximum pressure, or so far away that the wastewater is useless anyways.
Loving your progress on this whole series. Tapping into nature for clean power and even recycling the water for more and more uses of a renewable resource.
A very interesting idea and proof of concept!
I am looking forward to more of this video series as well as all the others you have going at the moment!
Very interesting concept, maybe you could use more see-saw's to make the flow a bit more continuos and maybe you could more airbags for more power
I also though about " stacked see-saw's " where water after exiting one see-saw would come to a system that would stabilize the flow to another see-saw and so on, making the machine more continuos and water-efficient.
Impressive, it's like some forgotten knowledge brought back to life. Love the 5 a side 'tache ;)
Thanks Joe!! Really interesting concept, PROVEN!!
Very interesting, I have been considering a ramp pump for one on my creeks to fill water tanks to water gardens, this system looks very promising and thought out. Love following your turbine build- both of these will be included in a new homestead build
Awesome video! Love this stuff! Keep it up & can't wait to see the next video!
Great work joe. I dig the videos. Always fun to build things that work.
GENIUS! Instructive and helpful. Thank you very much Joe! I thought last time that it was about a kind of irrigation system we find in Asia... THIS IS REALLY INSPIRING! GREAT JOB! Can't wait the larger project.
Thanks!
Great engineering questions and experiments.
Hi Joe. The air bag use made me think of semi’s air brakes. Same principle: ~ low pressure air on a big diaphragm creates great force on the brake drum pistons. Unlike the air bag, the air brake diaphragm is designed to maximize the incoming pressure. You could try with a salvage yard air brake. Make sure you get a “service” air brake n not one with the parking brake attached. Also they can be opened and repair parts are readily available.They have a return spring that could be sized to just return the diaphragm or turn it vertical like the Aussie pump and let gravity return the diaphragm. Just a thought. Good job. Keep at it.
If anybody tries this, be aware that there is a very large extremely strong compressed spring inside of these brake Chambers. If you don't take them apart properly they will explode in your face.
All together this is a very ingenious system, I love the whole mechanical system. Watching the dead time at the end of a pumping stroke when the seesaw is filling up, I'm trying to think of ways you could "tune" the cycle time to make it cycle faster. The water at the ends of those 3" pipes is what makes it tip over, the water in the elbows where it fills up near the pivot doesn't contribute much, so maybe your kid was onto something: pack out the pipe elbows with something lightweight (a tennis ball?) so the water goes straight to the further end of the seesaw reservoir and makes it flips faster. Just spitballing.
Good ideas! the only problem is to make it go faster I would need more water. Padding out the seesaw might be something to try, but I rely on the water near the elbows to give it a boost in torque as it tips over.
Very interesting, I like your progress. I have somewhat of a similar problem and you have given me another option. Thank you for sharing.
I always had this idea, but never made it. Great job!
Can't wait to see where this goes. Cool idea
Me too! I'm still building things in my mind though so I don't tknow where I'm going.
Awesome content. Wish I had water on my property. Would love to be experimenting like this.
very interesting concept, I would like to see some actual data regarding the water efficiency compared to a ram pump or other similar fully-contained systems
Innovative concept. Good job.
Great narration and interesting content. Maybe some more work on that mustache? 🤔
Genetics. I haven't shaved that part of my face since February. It needs to grow out some.
Joe Malovich aahh, i think embert means perhaps trim the bit overhanging your top lip a little? btw, it suits you 😊
@@JoeMalovich it needs to move out 😂
@@JoeMalovich I see mustache wax in your future... Unless your intention is to become a filter feeder. 🐟😉
Baleen Whales are sexy
I like that it will run on any head pressure, any flow rate, that is a BIG versatility advantage over a ram pump. You should pat yourself on the back for that. Next you should check if it is more water efficient to have the valve and bellows middle step, or better to drive the high pressure cylinder directly from the teeter-totter. Which would obviously be a cheaper and simpler design. And I would assume most people would use a creek to power one of these, so water efficiency wouldn’t be an issue, they would just be looking for max pressure and output flow regardless of waste. It might require a bigger teeter totter though. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks Joe!
Nice job Joe.
Nice thought process here. A heads to competition with land to house would be fun.
A google search for gravity pump came up with a pump called the Highlifter from some company that's very similar to this. Instead of a ram pump it uses the varying surfaces areas to balance out it's forces. I'm not saying you should buy one (where's the fun in that), but it might be interesting to look at to see if you can use some ideas from it to modify your design.
Great project Joe!
Thanks!
Water technology (or w/e you call it) is so fascinating. It's hard to imagine stuff like this working without electricity.
Electricity can be boring, mechanical things where you can watch it working is more mesmerizing.
Hi Joe;
The SeeSaw system doesnt perform very efficiently. It’s function is essentially that of force multiplying lever. The further the weight of the water is from the fulcrum in the center the greater the force on the valve.
The problem you have is the use of large diameter pipe in the central section of the SeeSaw.
Water in the central portion has less ability to produce force than the portion near the ends.
My suggestion is to only have the water cups at the ends where more force is developed using less water.
redrok
You talking about more leverage per stroke?
@Adam Courchaine the pipes are only used to open to close a valve and have nothing to do with efficiency of the pump.
@@SystemsPlanet read his comments again I don't think you understood them
it does seem there is a lot of water used in the valve switching function. Perhaps if Joe put 500ml in a sealed 2 ltr soda bottle and taped that to the lever he originaly the load would shift giving more switching force without significant water loss
love the video, the pump looks great, hope that stache grows itself in nicely, right now its more of soup strainer than soup catcher.. (yes, we are all obsessed with your stache)
I never knew it would be so controversial. It's a BBQ sauce catcher for sure.
@@JoeMalovich The (discontinued) Remington Titanium MB 70 Beard Trimmer is a nice one. It has a fan in the bottom to draw trimmings into a catch 'bucket'. I did a bit of work on mine to make it better. First thing soon after I bought it new years ago was to take it apart and use a small drill bit to open up all the holes in the exhaust grilles, many of which were nearly blocked by flash. I also removed flash from the fan blade and positioned it on the motor shaft so it'd be as close as possible to the inlet opening in the shaver housing. Suction improvement!
Some time later the small pair of NiCd cells died. I found a video on TH-cam showing how to swap them for a pair of NiMH cells. For small things like this a NiMH will directly replace a NiCd. Takes longer to charge but holds more charge, and won't self discharge anywhere near as quickly. Can charge it up to go on a trip and leave the charger behind.
My previous trimmer had the same dead NiCd problem. It used a single AA cell, which I replaced with a NiMH AA cell from a defekt cellphone battery. It was an early "small" phone which was between the Brick and the MicroTAC. The other three cells in the battery were bad. I got the Remington when the other one died completely.
I've been using the MB 70 for much longer with the NiMH than the original NiCd lasted.
Good job!
Good job Joe Malovich
U did a great job !! Thanks for all the videos and sharing the information!! I have nothing negative to say my opinion is them kind of people need to keep it to there self !!!
Use the toilet flush system, as the piston comes up it pumps the water, under neath an attachment pushes up the toilet valve when its fully up and releases the water, the piston falls down and restarts again.
Very interesting, I've seen one of these used in agricultural applications.. but never a home made one.. I like the concept! Whats the efficiency vs a Ram Pump?
This is great! I was thinking about practical use in an off grid situation. What might you encase the system in to ensure unobstructed use over a long duration? How far up hill will the unit pump?
Cant wait for the next.
Very good for feeding plants. GJ man.
this is great, low flow and self starting and will pump if air gets in the lines . maybe having a 2 way hose splitter with a kind of "debris" catch can, and the debris could go into the trickle part as that will not block the valves
That is amazing. Thank you for your video. I am buying a house with a spring on it and want to pump the water up 38 ft to house.
Very nice!
Very interesting
Hi Joe, thanks for the good work. I was imagining here having seen the clip, how about if instead of the seesaw mechanism, one used a cam mechanism where say a roller displaced by the sac movement moves round a cam to aid in pressurising the pump. You could try it if it's ok.
Make 2 pairs, and do inverse strokes, connected at the output with check valves.
Very good.
I hope to see a new and improved commercial grade one asap
Don't hold your breath on a commercial version.
Awesome!
Good stuff
the see saw. beautiful.
This is very interesting.
Very interesting application of physics. Apparently the natural curiosity to experiment runs in the family! Never too young to start, the young just need more supervision and direction!
Awesome! I figure the rocker should have some kind of latch that disengages when the piston reaches the extremes? It feels like you loose some efficiency by allowing the piston to sit there fully extended or retracted.
But uh... This is awesome! I love seeing genuine inventions! So incredibly excited to see more of what you do with this. Well done!
That's a good idea about the catch, it would certainly prevent short-cycling. My problem now is I'm having long-cycling because of low water flow.
have you measured the efficiency of this? pressure times flow (including whats wasted on the seesaw) on the input vs pressure times flow on the output?
very interesting
I have been researching the Ram Pump to operate a Micro hydroelectric system and ran across your see / saw, bladder & value set up. Have you given it a name? This was a mouthful. I'm intrigued and wondered if you did any more testing on it during winter spring water flow? What was your optimal lift pressure attainable?
Great description of your pump. I'm going to intall a pump in the stream on our border, and so, is this system more efficient than a ram pump or not? A ram pump seems a lot easier to make, and maybe cheaper, but efficiency is the most important, as far as I'm concerned. Have you done any comparisons? Second, for a ram pump the arrival "must be strait" is always emphasized. My stream is not a line direct from the highest point to the ideal pump site, it's a wavy stream. Does your pump need a strait line for its arrival pipe? I really appreciated this video, and I'd really appreciate it if you could answer my questions... please?
I would love to have one of these to try out at my house.
You're a genius!
Interesting. Great channel.
I really like it! I am going to watch again to better understand what is going on. Just wanted to "engage" after the first view.
Perfect, thx
An idea for your see saw. Instead of water chambers on both ends you could just have a weight on one side. It might make it cycle faster. Back in earler times people would use a bucket ander a flow of water to raise a weight. Once the bucket got full, it would tip over and the weight would fall. They used them to mill corn. Also it would interesting to see a direct compairson with a ram pump.
It requires a non zero duration for both compression and retraction strokes (but one stroke is faster)
Looking good
Thanks 👍
you could stair case these, have the supply break off into multiple distribution, then put some more "devices" below so you could have 3 pressure systems
Waiting on another video!
Good job, it's fascinating though it doesn't look very efficient :)
Here in Denmark we unfortunately don't have many hills.
But you have wind, and they've been pumping water with wind for centuries
i would add a pivot lever to equalize the strokes so that each move makes a full stroke looked like your setup was short stroking the large bag most of the time. also i believe if you had 3 timed in 60 degree phases from each other you could get almost continuous flow though at a proportionally lower rate than your input.
Very interesting design and good job explaining it. I wonder though why you wouldn't want to look into a Venturi /airlift pump since you have running water and a pen stock. As you might know venturis can be used for a lot of applications. one of which is to draw in air and mix it with the water. If the water air mixture is then is put out inside an airlift pen stock you are effectively using Air to lift the water inside the outlet pipe of the airlift pump. A venturi can draw its air/liquid(it is a vacuum pump) from where ever.
Those require a bunch of water, this will run on a trickle
Wonderful!!! ❤ THIS is how all of us could think. I did not see PEX bands on every connection -- did I miss them, or is it not necessary (the low pressure maybe)?
It was the low pressure and I was constantly adjusting things.
hmm very interesting! what are the potential uses once fully developed?
perhaps you need a cascade seesaw? drain the first two into the next two etc so the first drives the second which automates the pump maybe?
Potential uses are limitless right now.
If you put lips on the exit ports if your seesaw pipe, just after your drain holes, the moving water would hit it and impart some of its energy to the movement of the seesaw (more torque). The water blocked would then drain though your drilled drain holes.
It might mean you need a little less water in the seesaw per cycle.
ok i have a question im sure it would work . how about hooking the water wheel up to the air bag so that when the wheel turns it pumps the air bag back and forth ? instead the water driving the pump the wheel would basically lol suck and blow . another thing is you loose alot of water out of your feed pipe with the way its set up now why not fit a 50 gallon plastic barrel right to the feed pipe . you would only have water loss then if the barrel over flowed .
Here's an idea you may be able to incorporate into your design, add some sort of Kids Pool to trap the water being used in the pump, then recycle it to be used to fill the motion section. That way in seasonal dry times you can just fill the pool with rain water and still pump it somewhere or whatever the need may be. You can copy your pump design, and pump the Pool water from the pool to the pump, thereby making the entire thing work off grid and possible with more pumps increase water pressure... Just a thought that you design inspired; I hope you are able to use it... Cheers...
Take this concept and combine it using the waste water from a ram pump as your source to pump the waste water back to the source for the ram pump could this then truly be ”free energy" ? Awesome build man
Could you hook up a second set of air bags and valves on the opposite side of the seesaw pivot/fulcrum switch...thing, to pump twice as much water? And with the second set attached to the same fulcrum switch, there should be twice as much "exhaust" water to fill the 3" PVC pipe collection fulcrum activators, which should fill those 3" PVC collectors twice as fast...I think, not too sure. I just did a little "shoot from the hip" math and my results could be WAY off.
This is a very interesting concept.Why not incorporate two bags so as they will alternate between intake and exhaust? That would double the output.
Nice👍
You lost me but am impressed . Can i use this in the stream to take water up hill?
I think that is pretty cool. !:- )
I would say that this works like a gear reduction. For example you could make a whaterwheel and gear it upp to drive a waterpump. Meaning the water wheel don't need a high pressure but needs spin more turns than the pump which would make the pump slow but very strong.
Great idea, I was thinking why not use the stroke of the airbag to actuate the valve, just use a lever to Invert direction of travel, one at max stroke to flip the valve, one at min stroke that pushes the valve open again.. if that makes sense
bow much pressure can be produced?
I wonder if you could have 2 pistons on the same seesaw, have one open while the other is closed?
I guess you'd need 2 of those valves, I'm also not sure if that would actually help at all.
or bigger pistons? That's for another video.
Well, as an engineer, I am waiting patiently for your next move! :-)
I dunno if it is better than a ram pump.. ram pump has it beat on parts count :)
I love that mechanism. Did you try pressurized air to store energy?
I did not, The compression ratio would not be good, it wouldn't be able to develop much pressure.
@@JoeMalovich thank you for answering.
First I want to thank you for sharing your work with everyone. Second, I have a question related to your attempt at actuating the system around the 9 minute mark in the video: I'm curious what the result would be if at the top of the aluminum bar was a horizontally mounted cylinder (of which the diameter and length I have zero advice on...lol, again, this is a curiosity!!!) that is capped at each end and filled part way with some media or possibly water? The thought came while watching the device actuate one direction, but not the other. I wonder if the proposed cylinder was partially filled with sand, how the shifting weight would possibly help with the force needed to overcome the pressure as well as aiding in the timing of it's swing? Thanks again for sharing your ideas and invention!!! Good luck to you and I hope this helps in some way!
Won't be faster if have another set on the counter part of the see-saw?
Also collecting the wasted water and make a watermill to pump back to the see-saw ? it may save water and increase pressure by reducing the first drop, of course I have no idea how much efficient will be
Hi, it may be a silly idea but would it be possible to use either this pump or a Ram Pump to artificially increase the flow of a stream ? By pumping the water upstream it would increase the flow between the pump and the exit pipe. Can it work ?
Would it work yes, would it do much of anything at all, no.
@@JoeMalovich Haha ok, I kind of expected that answer, it was too good to be true I guess. Thanks man, I love your work, keep it up ! :)
So a question, if you use the water drainage off this pump to go into a container and feed that water into another pump that pumps to the feed bucket of the first pump. Would you then have 100% use of the water?
Such an idea requires more pressure then this system is expecting. However if those such pressures where to exist at the head, i dont see why you couldn't run another pump style to move the wastewater back to source. Perhaps even tied into the seesaw as a driving mechanism.
this is a great new idea nice experiment. have you ever heard of a siphon pump? they have alot more pressure and flow than a ram pump and waste very tiny amounts of water. they are a little bit harder to understand though so ya don't see them often
I wonder if a clockwork pendulum would have been another alternate answer to this problem. I'd love to see it done (or I'll just end up trying it myself when I'm financially able to)
Very interesting concept, and it’s great that you got it working. Really cool! Unfortunately, I think it is extremely complex when compared to a ram pump. Meanwhile, ram pumps are elegant in their simplicity, with only two moving parts.
I think that ram pumps can yet be improved upon, and offer many opportunities for further innovation.
I just wanted to see if I could do it.
@@JoeMalovich and it’s brilliant that you did! It’s fantastic. I think you should go improve upon a time tested design now though. Bring ram pumps into the future for us. If anyone can do it, you can, and I know there is much room for improvement in the ram pump designs of today, which have seen only marginal improvements since their invention.
This is how you take your COVID19 lockdown and invent cool things!
How about to change the booster pump to an hydro windmill? I think it's more efficient.
Just wow
I saw something like this in the mother earth news. They put a styrofoam float in a 55 gallon drum, when it floated to the top, it opened a valve that drained the drum and the cycle repeated. It was very slow, but constant.
Found you by letting ram pump videos autoplay. I know it's been awhile... are you going to continue working on this? If so may I suggest eliminating the 90°s, it will reduce the cost and increase the pressure.
Yes I'll keep working on it. Removing 90s makes it less compact and the velocities are low anyways
You should jump a flywheel on the generator for more inertia.
Also by the tree put a drop tank so we can pressurize more water
I think you can make it more water efficient if you put only one pipe that fills attach to a spring. The weight of the water wins against the spring force but when its empties the spring retract the seesaw, ,with the pipe to its initial position or something like a sōzu mechanics.
Sorry if I come over all helpful, but
1. Eliminate the two round holes and fill directly a single piece of teeter totter pipe that doesn't spill and is much longer than the present setup
2. Arrange for the stroke to be directly, vertically, applied to the pumping cylinder
I liked your review of preexisting components that are available
Imagine if they had these built into some of the beaches and using the tides to do this to power whole cities.