I'm a normie and this last season HURT. What was so amazing about GOT is how invested I, as a normie, became in the amazing world and characters. They felt like people I knew. Yes I loved some of the spectacle but what made the spectacle amazing is the character development that happened beforehand. The spectacle had meaning and real consequences. It wasn't just bells and whistles. I had really enjoyed rewatching seasons and specific episodes because they touched me. But season 8, specifically the party after the end of the Night King and the final episode left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, that it's hard for me to watch any of it anymore. Kinda like when you find out someone you love is just a superficial user... that you were moved by their suave ways and have only now come to find out it was all a mask. I LOATHE how they treated the Arya and Gendry arc. They made Gendry into some pathetic nice guy. And then just stopped with him... bringing him back to wear a suit and not even getting a fucking line to say in the last episode. He was a side character but an amazing one. His relationship with Arya was nuanced. He wasn't just friendzoned... he was completely ignored. Just not believable at all and really, an insult to anyone that had invested any emotion into him as a character. I LOATHE how they wrote Bran. What a boring piece of shit do nothing when he could have been so amazing... they could have gone ANYWHERE with him and they chose to make him a shell. And then had the gall to try to convince us he had such a great story. To tell us without showing us. That we should just accept that and to be patronizing enough to ask the amazing actor Peter Dinklage to sell it. What an injustice to him and waste of his acting talent. I LOATHE how they made Jon into an emasculated side character. I LOATHE how they dumbed down Tyrion. He made mistakes. And I was hoping he'd learned from them and come back an even stronger player because that's what would have happened. Instead he is just a mistake machine. It doesn't humanize him. It makes him a caricature. I LOATHE how they rushed through time and distance. What made the entire greatness of the Arya and the Hound relationship, for instance, is that we got to travel with them... through landscapes, meet people on the way, see how they react to each other and situations that arose. I LOATHE that I can't go back and watch one of my favorite episodes of the whole series, the episode of interactions before the battle with the Night King, because all that happened afterward makes those interactions seem fake and hollow in retrospect. I could go on. I could really write at least 10 more separate things I loathe. Like the how all the Dothraki and Unsullied instantly re-spawned out of nowhere. How completely patronizing and insulting that is. Anyway, I could go on and on. You know. We all can. It makes liking any bit of it feel spoiled like good food gone bad. Like having once liked tequila, but now that it's made me puke, I can't even think of it without cringing. It's all so sad and stupid.
And the best response award goes to.... LOL. Yeah you said a mouthful, yet not enough. I agree with everything except the Gendry Arya part. Couldn't care about shipping those two together. I cared more about how all of a sudden she couldn't use her face changing anymore. Or Decided to be an in your face kind of fighter instead of a true 'assassin' The north - now with the largest kingdom, but smallest army, could use an 'assassin'. Yet Arya gets on a boat to sail uncharted seas. What about all the talk about the lone wolf dies alone, but the 'pack survives'??? Where did all that go? Guess it was ignored with the rest of everything else in order to get the rushed ending! Truly... GOT season 8 made every season before it Irrelevant. Because Nothing MATTERED!!!! Jon's blood line, Dany's Curse, Brans power and purpose in gettting them for whats to come. Arya faceless training. The magic and purpose of combinging stark and targaryen blood...Etc etc etc. NOTHING MATTERED!!!!
you need to take a different look at the show. You have built interactions between characters. They are not plot building. Take a look at my channel it may open your eyes.
I sympathize with your pain and I certainly felt the characters were real up until season 8 but 1) Arya and Gendry were never going to e a couple. Get over that. 2) Jon wasn't emasulated, though it may seem like that, he was in love. 3) Tyrion has gotten dumb and dumber, but that is directly based on the writing getting dumb and dumber 4) hound and Arya is more like mentor and protege and it continued Ending is still horrible though...
So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the show. Obey the show. Obey the writers. Protect the fans. Defend the actors. What if the fans despise the writers? What if the writers massacre the show?
The ending was so bad that it can only mean that D&D massacred the show on purpose. No way can anyone with a single brain cell think that it's an acceptable ending.
A person who likes the name Daenerys and naming their child that is as much of a nitwit as someone who likes the name Myra and named their child that. Someone named Myra tortured and killed children so no one should ever name a child Myra now. It's a bit silly. Sometimes people just think a name sounds beautiful.
@@yogadork_namaste Yes, to name your child after a fictional character that has been inbreed and could and in this case did go mad should of made them think twice, I mean the books are unfinished they didn't even know her full story yet, but it sounded pretty so okay sure, I fear for our nation's future. LoL. EDIT- This is a sarcastic take on this subject, I only wish D&D cared as much as the fans did. Thank you.
Same here! I always thought GoT would be a show that my wife and I could re-watch over and over again through the years but now I really doubt it. Perhaps in a few years the biggest disappointment will have settled down a bit and we can watch the first 4, PERHAPS 5 seasons again. (Maybe 6 for certain specific scenes, but most likely we'll stop after that.) However, the way things feel now I really doubt we'll be watching those first good seasons any time soon.
"I can't even bear to watch episodes of the good seasons knowing how it all turns out." That begs the question : "What exactly do you want anyway?". Do you want mindless escape'ism or do you want meaningful fulfillment? Pick 1, you can't have both by definition. You see, I think you have been tricked into thinking that GoT is meaningful while it obviously is mindless escape'ism. Now that everybody is finding this out, it somehow is a shock to them why the ending isn't satisfying. It was a gimmick. Also it was a gimmick employed by GRRM. I could have told you the ending would be flaccid from the first half o book one. I think the show runners realized this and just wanted to get out of this endless torrent of prolix that actually leads nowhere. IF GRRM ever publishes the end, which I doubt, it will be equally underwhelming.
Benioff & Weiss's brilliant character dialogue's and logic: Bran: You were meant to be here! You're where you're supposed to be! Why do you think I'm here! I can never be lord of anything!......OK, I'll be King!! Arya: We Stark's are together again! We're family!...... I'm not staying here with you, I'm leaving to go West, "Where no Man has gone before!" Dany: The North won't bend the Knee! Sansa won't bend the knee! Everyone, bend the knee or I'll destroy a city!! Jon: She's ouw queen! I don't wun it! She's yo queen! I don't wun it! She's ma queen! I don't wun it!! Tyrion: Sansa, please play nice! Varys, Please play nice! Jon, Please play nice! Dany, please play nice!! Jamie: Hate Cercei, like Brienne more!.......Wait, don't like Brienne as much anymore, love Cercei!! Greyworm: Jon murdered our queen, Tyrion betrayed our queen, they must be punished!!...... Tyrion becomes hand of the king and Jon goes to the wall?? OK...fine with me! I'll just sail away now!! Sansa: The North fought to never have to bend the knee to anyone ever again! I'll be Queen in the North, and they'll have to bend the knee to me!! Lord's of the now 6 Kingdoms: Sansa and the North get their independence, and the rest of us don't?....OK, fine with us!... All hail Bran the broken!! OYEEEEEEEE! Dan & Dave!! Amateurish writing at it's best!!
I miss Jorah. He would have reigned Dany back to reality. So many characters destroyed all for the sake of “ending the series”. So much of the story is destroyed. George was right. Could have gone 10 seasons with some very clever writing, writing that had respected the characters and their arcs. Let the characters tell the story, what they do and say. Don’t drive the characters to an ending, that isn’t the way to tell a story. D&D are hacks who will destroy Star Wars worse than it is now. Just look at what they did to GoT.
Others (on a good show with a satisfactory ending): Please continue for another season! Me: Yeah.... Just remember: don't draw it out more than what the story can lay itself out to be, end it on a good note. Remember Season 8?
Being pushed--although only he knows that it wasn't just a fall--out of a window and living is a better story than being stabbed in the heart multiple and being resurrected?!?
That was an early sign that they just didn't know how to write brans story. So much potential there and the only interesting thing about his journey was screwing up poor hodor(which grrm told them about so they didn't technically come up with that).
Bran’s story wasn’t great, it wasn’t even good. It had the potential to be great but it turned out pretty much meaningless in end. He handicapped Hodor just so he could save his own skin, he treated Meera like a piece of crap after all she did for him. He could have saved Theon had he told Theon to get behind him. He wound up being an emotionless robot in the end, and got crowned king for it. Just stupid and lazy writing.
Bran had THE best story! He was just masterfully manipulating everything around him from the background. He gave Arya the knife, which suggests he can tell the future or at least put people in place to do his bidding. Told Jon his parentage, which all it did was create division between Dany and Jon, which was a factor in her becoming mad. Then he allowed Dany to massacre millions at King’s Landing, but didn’t tell Jon so he could stop her. Bran is the best written villain ever. So well written, and so well portrayed on screen that no one yet has even realized that Bran was the bad guy all along. What did he say when asked to rule even though he “didn’t want it”? “Why do you think I came all this way?”
Bran has a long journey left in the books. In the books, his story is quite complex and dwell deep into prophecy and dreams. GRRM has said that bran chapters are the most difficult to write. In the books he still has huge potential and a big role to play. Dumb & Dumber destroyed him in the show.
I was done with Disney's Star Wars after seeing The Last Jedi in theaters. D&D being involved basically just added a million more nails into that coffin and pushed it into the Earth's molting core.
You imbeciles wouldn't know shitty writing if it bit you in your asses. You can't split the show into halves and pretend it's the product of two separate creative entities. D&D brought you the good, and what you perceive to be the bad. Can't have it both ways. They're better at what they do than any of you will ever be at anything.
@@sylwesteradam759 I have to agree. So if they really believe that Bloodmoon is going to just as successful, they really need to ask themselves why would any one spend the same amount of time as we did with GoT, and then get shafted again???
10. The NK storyline - pointless 9. John Snow being Targaryen - pointless 8. Bran being tree eyed raven - pointless 7. Varys death - pointless 6. Arya´s trip to Kings landing - pointless 5. Golden company army - pointless 4. Cercei´s and Jamie´s death - pointless 3. Dany burning the city - pointless 2. Season 8 - pointless 1. D&D´s life - pointless
@Patrick Sylvia nah you´re just unable to differentiate trash from a good writing.. as soon as D&D ran out of books GoT started to go south (no pun intended) and it showed that D&D are just "sculptors" of a great writing but not writers themselves.. they lack any bit of creativity whatsoever...and dont even get me started about that rush to end it quickly because of Starwars money...
How about ‘The Lord of Light?’ Who or what was he? Was he real? Was he connected to the Three-Eyed- Raven? What were his goals? Why did he give Clegane a vision? Someone suggested That the people he resurrected were wights too, but if fire, not ice.
Well HBO is a better company and aren't trying to spin the backlash. They are also modeled differently than the movies and aren't as dependent on continuous viewings for income.
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Hollywood burned down Star Wars and nobody batted an eye. Hollywood burned down GoT and everyone lost their minds! @Marty I have no idea what you're talking about in fact Mamoa at least is one of us free folk you can kneel if you want though.
@ : Do you want to try that again but this time make sense?... Come on little boy use your words. Did your parents ever tell you there's a difference between TV and reality?
Tyrion: Bran should be king because Bran has the best story. Dude, there was an entire season of this show without Bran in it and I didn't notice it til' he came back. Gendry had a better story than Bran.
HBO screwed up. They should've bought out Dumb and Dumber and hired a new set of writers to conclude the show properly with a total of 10 seasons. The show suffered once Dumb and Dumber didn't have Martin's novels to guide them, showing that they suck at writing original material.
ckaz007 GRRM didn’t want his books adapted in the first place. He gave the rights to D&D specifically I believe and so HBO couldn’t just find another couple pair of writers
ckaz007 GRRM didn’t want his books adapted in the first place. He gave the rights to D&D specifically I believe and so HBO couldn’t just find another couple pair of writers
maybe that's why they wrapped the whole thing up so quick... they fucking knew they couldn't write for shit, and tried to kill that problem in its crib by finishing off the show before anyone would know whats what... it clearly had the opposite effect of what they intended.
The only 'mistake' HBO made was trusting that D&D knew what they were doing. And even then they had no reason to think they didn't for six and a half years. Even as someone who wasn't taken with the series, and yes I did watch more that a handful of episodes, I am more than happy enough to say that the early seasons were high quality. Nor were HBO 'done' with the show or uncaring about it. You don't start developing three other series based on the same IP (one of which is filming) if you have no interest in it. Like the Star Wars and Star Trek franchises HBO will have made FAR more money from merchandise than from anything else. They will be very well aware of what happened to the Star Wars franchise in that regard when customers disliked what they were offered.
@@darthkai8242 They may have gotten their ratings, but don't think this hasn't backfired on them in the long run. Right now there are calls to cancel the subscription. Plus a major ratings boost means nothing for rewatchability, which GoT has none. They shoot themselves in the foot and that's on them.
I'm still scratching my head at how HBO let this get by them. I realize that the first few seasons when there was source material were adapted well but wasn't there any oversight on these final two seasons? Didn't anyone watch this and think, "Oh shit, this is bad"? Had they just spent too much money by the time they realized how bad it was and thought there might be some backlash but it'll blow over? I'm also sad that because this went so badly that now they are really backing up on the prequels only committing to seeing how this first one does.
HBO didn't blow anything. HBO basically gave the writers a blank cheque to go on for years. Imagine that, nigh infinite time and money to finish a show that has already been the most popular thing that has ever been on TV, EVER! But dumb&dumber wanted to work another more prestigious project so they rushed it into an early grave (and at the rate they're going they're prolly gonna kill off what's left of the ding star wars franchise). There would be spin offs, there would be merchandise...Kid wanting to be dragon riders, knight or Dorthraki, toys with every friggin happy meal, waiting lines for the first cinema release, cups, bags, posters even that iron throne toilet that would let you rule the bathroom....HBO could have reeled in literal BILLIONS of profits for decades to come hadn't these clowns fucked it up... G.R..R.Martin has written so much lore on this fantasy world, HBO could easily have made another 70 episodes of different legends and historical tales without touching the main story line. You REALLY think HBO would let that get taken from them for quick profit? I'm not a marketeer, but even an idiot could see the potential in that.
They screwed up so bad that even if they make another show with a magnificent first season many will wait for the end of the show to watch it. I'm one of them.
I disagree with the simplistic idea that the ending was "rushed". They had 12 hours to set up Daenerys's turn and they didn't bother outside of her burning the Tarlys last season. Last season she was refusing to take King's Landing by force, outright ignoring her allies' advise to end the war quickly and decisively (a decision that killed those allies). She agreed to the insane plan to get a zombie to show to Cersei. She left King's Landing alone to go fight in the north. This season, she tried to make friends with Sansa and it was SANSA who was intractable. She had her father's murderer in front of her and she simply pardoned him. She chose to restore House Baratheon, the house of the usurper king. She again agreed to Tyrion's plan of siege over attack. Even after her dragon and friend were killed, she still waited a couple weeks to attack. The problem wasn't that the ending was rushed. There was plenty of time if they'd bothered to actually prepare for the ending. But, baffingly, they just had her go right on being the Dany we know almost until the moment that she went YOLO and torched King's Landing after it surrendered. To give any credence to the show not having enough time gives these writers too much credit. They just completely forgot to do anything to lead into the heel turn. That level of incompetence should not be let off the hook.
Jon Smith Worth to be read twice. I had almost forgotten the inconsistencies of the last season. We all were too sympathetic with Tyrion, who only wanted to save his brother.
She knew her father was a nutjob that's why she spared Jamie and she didn't try to make friends with Sansa at all. And, she only empowered Gendry because she knew she could control him. The show certainly was rushed. There should have been 20 episodes for the last 2 seasons not only 13. Even though, S8 had 2 hours episodes it contained a lot of filler. Apart from the story being rushed, a lot of what they wrote was nonsensical; their only concern was driving the plot forward not the characters and how they would behave in certain situations.
It was rushed because they didn't give themselves enough time to get the characters to where they needed to be via a convincing and consistent narrative, but also because they squandered the limited time they did have on visual callbacks to earlier scenes. There's nothing wrong with drawing thematic parallels like this but you shouldn't be sacrificing the story to prioritise style over substance.
Been watching thousands of youtube videos since ''The Disappointing Night'' and they quickly became much better than the actual episodes. Didnt think that at this point I'd still find anything that would still be interesting in this subject, and I found your video. It is very well done and said! We are all in this together. Hope Disney can still fire them before the disaster is too big. I refuse to watch Star Wars after what they did to GoT... Refuse!
Great commentary. You have elevated the art of critique. Yes, the whole fan backlash-exposing the incompetence of the showrunners debacle is fascinating. I fall into the "normie" camp, but your laser focus insight and analysis along with some of your confederates in the cause have helped me understand how and why media production and entertainment companies will pay a heavy price for purposely and purposefully downgrading what started out to be high quality entertainment. In the end, it really is about business, but they didn't stick to their end of the bargain.
Business or not, when you are on top of a global entertainment phenomenon, you DO NOT treat it as if it was just business. Something of the magnitude of GoT does not come every day. I think the 2 producers haven't learned this fundamental lesson in the entertainment industry. Too bad. For everyone. Maybe George R.R.Martin can save this phenomenon... he is the Creator. And the Creator hasn't written his last words yet.
@@LianaBuzea I was reading the books before the show and I'll continue to read them after the series. I think to most people, this is just a fan fiction since season 5. I just enjoyed it for what it was, especially since they ruined my favorite character, but even with that mindset the ending was horrible.
@@ShamblesMD They ruined my favourite character also. Why is it that people cannot built a character complex enough to hold both light & shadow and exist like that... after all, all of us are like that in reality...
Ginette Mayas To be fair I think GOT was always a piece of shit TV series and the fans just kind of got it at the end. The series was always style over substance.
ENT Fan's can relate. It was only one episode, but the drop off in quality was harrowing when one of your favorite character's is relegated to chopping carrots.
It is sad that you were unable to spot the clues from either the first seasons or the first book that the ending was already fated to be a disappointment. The key lies in being able to spot the difference between mindless entertainment and mindless entertainment that pretends to be deep and meaningful.
the sheeple reveal themselves when they say "rushed". 1 year off just to write. 55 days filming one battle. 6 hours of screentime. yet somehow this was rushed? jfl
@@maxr1826 So after one year the characters motivations, arcs etc. aren't clear. The plot is dumb. The Night King is a joke... 55 days of filming and the battle is a mess, both in technical aspect (it's a dark mess) and realism (open battle in front of the greatest fort in Westeros). They actually should have done it reverse Un-realistic lights (so you can at least see something) and realistic battle strategy (as to not have 8 years olds who player 1 hour of Total War can tell your plan sucks). And it was rushed: if they wanted to D&D could have made 10+ seasons with 10 episodes each. But they either thought themselves too smart or rushed it.
They focused on the wrong things. For example the finale kills off Daenerys about half way through and then the rest is boring with filler like Tyrion moving chairs for a minute
The Tyrion bit about ’the importance of stories’ was clearly self-referential to Benioff and Weiss. It was an example of their own egotistical sense of self-importance. They are the real Tyrants of the Tale. They projected their own subconcious self-perception - which is one of unworthiness and abuse of power - onto Daenerys’s character out of their own subconscious guilt. And they themselves, in real life, maintain that same delusional and exaggerated self-regard that she had at the end. Ultimately, Benioff said it himself, “A good story is not a good story if you have a bad ending.” Their ending with the Game of Thrones franchise is similar to Dany’s ending, which they’ve been mirroring for some time.
Thank you! I left a similar comment on another vid. That "the one with the stories should be king" is blatant writer narcissism and self-service, making Bran a Marty Stu. Bran, as an omniscient who "knows how the story goes," knows millions will be hurt by actions he could prevent, and does nothing, yet shows up on payday to profit from it, when other, better people should have. I don't even have words for the level of disgust.
@@lh3664 Bran didn't just know thousands could be killed and failed to act to prevent it. The little he did do encouraged that death and destruction. Not a great leader.
When you've put that much time and effort into a project why would you not want to do your best to finish it right? It almost feels as if they've just flushed the last eight years of their lives down the toilet.
ESPECIALLY when HBO were willing to put up the money. Usually it's an issue of having to wrap up the story early because your resources are limited, but not this time.
YUP...that is the ultimate sadness. The previous brilliance is so very tarnished as to have little or no value upon rewatching. D&D totally screwed GoT resale value.....it's like THEY went mad. They should be drummed out of the business....maybe they can work at Burger King...where they can flame broil all they want!
DnD basically became Michael Bay...all about visual spectacle and loudness while short changing the writing quality. So it's even worse than you say because all the visual spectacle required the crew to work even harder than previous seasons. They gave this incredible crew some shitty scripts while they worked 55 nights in the cold for just that NK battle episode....wtf!!!!
Courtier: "King Bran! King Bran! We're being invaded from Essos! Troops are already at our walls and they have 100,000 men!", King Bran: "I have to go now." - Yeah he'll make a GREAT king *eyeroll*!
A good analysis of the media reaction. D&D took a golden opportunity and rushed to a quick ending when there was absolutely no need to do so. If D&D wanted to bail to pursue other projects, they should have been replaced and the show could have run 10 seasons with little to no loss in quality with the right people at the helm. HBO has a terrible track record of bringing intelligent well written shows to abrupt unsatisfying conclusions: ROME, DEADWOOD, THE SOPRANOS and now GAME OF THRONES. When will they ever learn? Let's hope Martin's final 2 novels give the fans the ending the sage truly deserved and not a shortcut.
mark60123 He’s in his 70’s. I hope he can finish the novels. But he’s rich, overweight, and comfortably numb. I hope 🤞 he will get going on the last two books.
The Sopranos didn't get a satisfying conclusion? What are you talking about? It finished exactly as intended by the show runner, head writer and creator of the show. If you mean the last scene then fine, but the last story arc of the series was concluded and written at the same level of quality as the rest of the seasons and, the character arcs were all wrapped up nicely as well. Nothing like what happened with Game of Thrones.
Rome was one of if not the best show I've ever seen. I honestly liked it more than GOT because it was based on real history and was remarkably accurate to the time period and just felt authentic. We'll never see another show like that again that's for sure. Why it only lasted 2 seasons is beyond me, I guess it was "too expensive" to produce.
@Cherry Muse I read some people thought their television had malfunctioned. I can see why people were upset over it. On the surface it looks like a cop out (it's not, but I don't want to get into it right now, it's been debated and analyzed for years online). To anyone who hasn't seen the show, watch it! It's really, really good.
if you watch the "behind the thrones" documentary that came out after season 8's end, its very apparent to anyone with a brain that dumb and dumber was rushing everything to the point where the crew and cast got angry and stressed out. they were stretched, literally to the limit of their resources, all so Dumb and Dumber could get to go work on star wars in time for... for what??... they just dumped GoT like a used milk carton for absolutely no other reason than "we're tired of this toy, we want to play with this new toy". these two RETARDS will go down in history as the worst writers in the world.
*Anyone who paid attention to the Wrap Interviews **_knew_** it was going to be bad. **_Really bad._** Dani's actress cringed when asked how it closed, and her only comment was a fully sarcastic "Best season evah!", while half laughing and half grimacing (clearly the crew can't dis the show, per contracts). Every major actor and actress had a similar reaction - it was clear that they all **_hated_** what GoT had become over the last 3 seasons - they just couldn't say it directly.* *When even your own people think you have shit the bed, chances are pretty good that you did indeed shit the bed.*
R+L=nothing important. The Iron Islands and Dorne were cool with the north leaving but are happy to stay in the seven kingdoms, but the north had to leave because they can only be ruled by a Stark.... just not Bran, he doesn’t count. You see, this is what we call contradictory, R+L set up Jon. If it didn’t matter in the end, if the fact he was a legitimate or illegitimate child didn’t matter, why include it at all? If he is legitimate, killing Danaerys was a legal act as she’s a usurper, therefore who can punish him? You scrape past the surface and it all falls apart. In lol his travels with Yara Greyjoy, Theon never mentioned Jon, or how much he respected him, even after he rescued Yara after Jon gave him advice? Instead she’s fiercely loyal to a woman she spent maybe 3 scenes with? What a dumpster fire.
James McKenzie the part about Jon being the heir and Danny’s nephew was ONLY included to cause drama within their relationship. Nothing more. And tbh if that’s the only reason for it to be included in the books also, it’s pathetic.
Danys death should have had massive fallout, especially since she named all her Dothraki bloodriders so they should have been trying to kill Jon at all costs. It should have been a whole new wave of chaos; you can’t kill a queen and expect no consequences. But there were no consequences for killing Dany, her death is swept under the rug in like five minutes.
@@iriswaldenburger2315 No the books wont be that stupid. It will have more meaning, and I'm actually a fan of theory N+A actually equals J, not R+L and the show not doing anything w/that is another indicator that could be the truth.
@@iriswaldenburger2315 Believe me it isn't. Jon's parentage is significant for mystical reasons because it represents the marriage of ice and fire. How this will play out in the narrative I don't know but I don't expect the white walkers to be destroyed. Humans, led by Jon, need to establish a way to coexist with them.
It was so badly written that I will be bitter about it for years to come. I never thought Game of Thrones would join the television ranks of Lost and Dexter and yet here we are.
GoT got smoked. A multi illion dollar troll job. How nobody at HBO was overseeing this makes no sense. They deserve the backlash, they let these 2 idiots destroy their investment. As for Star Wars, lol - No thanks. They subvertted my expectations into disinterest.
Try this alternate take on the last season. I feel no loyalty to the original ending and I've taken this one on as my chosen alternative conclusion. Most of the comments I've scanned (3.5m views today) seem pleased. Link, "How Game of Thrones Should Have Ended" by Think Story channel. th-cam.com/video/G0mncEl4nVU/w-d-xo.html
Vapid millennials with their absurd acronyms are what is ruining entertainment. KoToR? Your infant Danaerys is crying. You better get her grandmother to feed her.
@@jbmiller3280 1. I am 45 Years old and have been Knights of the Old Republic for years. 2. Abbreviations are the new short hand. 3. I am not vapid, nor a millennial. Your assumption of who I am just made an ass out of you, sir. 4. I saw Dany's insanity coming from a mile away. I didn't bitch when she had the psychotic break. Don't assume you know people from one comment on the internet.
Oh, my sweet summer child, what do you know about disappointment? Disappointment is for the short night, when Jon did nothing and Arya fell a hundred feet from nowhere. Disappointment is for the characters, whose arcs are built up for years only to be instantly regressed and plot lines are born and live and die all in nothingness. That is the time for disappointment, my queen, when the White Walkers never make it past Winterfell. Thousands of years ago, there came lazy writers that destroyed an entire series. Fans raged about no set up, payoff or logic, same as the cast members in their interviews. And parents smothered their Khaleesis rather than see them watch Season 8, and wept and felt the tears of disappointment on their cheeks. In that darkness, the Show Runners came for the last time. They rushed through season 8 without care, leaving coffee cups and water bottles, riding off to Star Wars to “subvert more expectations”.
I Can not understand how Benioff & Weiss practically destroyed their writing reputation by just rushing and throwing anything in there for a show that millions of people were anticipating for some what of a competent season 8 and ending finale! Did they actually think they could just half-ass it with millions watching? Smh!!
This channel is a soothing, straightforward way to deal with the pain of franchise heartbreak. They contextualize the full scope of the different sides.
What is even worse is THEIR DENIAL IT WAS A MAGICAL MIRACLE GROUP....EXCEPT FOR 2 PEOPLE...2 PEOPLE SHOULD OF BEEN HOG TIED AND DISAPPEARED ..AT LEAST UNTIL IT.WAS.COMPLETLY.DONE. RARELY IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS DOES THE PERFECT GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER ASSEMBLE....AND THIS ALMOST ONE OF THEM...ALMOST.
Yes... but you will be looking for more videos critiquing season 8 because the wound just keeps bleeding... you know this to be true.. search your feelings, Luke.
Apparently Kit Harrington and Sophie Turner have gone off at fans on their social media accounts, saying they are "disrespectful" for their opinions. So the fan blaming by the actors has begun now it seems. Harrington did not take long to do his 180 after saying he found the final season to be a disappointment. Someone must have got in his ear and told him "defend the show or else".
Sophie just said she thinks the fans are being disrespectful to the cast and crew...which is BS because everyone is pissed off at ONLY the writers, but at least she was polite. Kit on the other hand actually said the fans should "go frick themselves". I will never again see any movie or tv show he is a part of 🤷🏻♀️🖕🏻
@@edabakb It seemed to me from almost the very beginning that Kit felt the show was beneath him as if he wanted to be doing something else even as he was making the $$$. He's probably not happy that he never was able to take his career any farther than the show.
S7 feeled pretty rushed aswel. it made me a bit sceptical about what they where going to do with the last season but i didn't expect them to ruin it like this.
The last season I enjoyed without feeling disappointed was S6. Yes, there were parts of S5 which were cringeworthy (specifically Braavos and Dorne) but at the time I shrugged them off as missteps. I awaited S7 with both trepidation and hope but it started slowly, dragged for 3 episodes then deteriorated quickly with E6 being the worst. S8 is almost exactly the same, which isn't surprising when you consider they were both initially intended to be a single long final season.
I was so excited for the final season after such a long wait. I liked episode 1 & 2 well enough but then episode 3 happened and I kept seeing characters look like they got killed only to be seen again a few minutes later still fighting and still looking like they were going to die any second but then being ok. So out of character and it took all the emotion out of it for me. After that I was just eh...
Moral of the story: if you're strong young beautiful and female, expect every man in your life to gaslight, betray, marginalize, reject and underestimate you. When you finally snap from the abuse, expect to be murdered. The end.
Sometimes a single stupid move makes history. 1912: First Officer Murdock from the Titanic: "hard aport, reverse gear" 2015: D&D: "we only need 13 more episodes to finish this"
There's another Midnight's Edge video that debunks this, don't attribute it to malice (abandoning the show to play with the shiny new toy) when it's easily explained by stupidity (they decided the ending and the number of remaining episodes years ago then mangled together a mess to get from one to the other).
Best thing we the consumer can do is Not support their future projects even if it means not buying movie tickets. Or the message will fall on deaf ears because you still gave them money even though you hate it.
+Harry McDow - agreed! Goes for all storytellers, no matter what medium they use. Up on top there's Debbie Beukema, who names herself a normie (I suppose that's someone not living in several worlds/multiverses at the same time) explaining how she feels. Makes me want to be a Dragon/Sith/Superhero and do some "reviews" up close and personal. But... I'd also like to say that the actors of GoT were casted brilliantly and showed us legends..."Mankind needs stories as much as water and grain. They teach us about life." - proverb from ancient high culture Mesopotamia/Babylon. Thank you for listing to my rant (:
More people are outrage because this is our generation's fantasy story. They had LOTR in the 40-60s, Star Wars in the 80's and so on. And for the one of the best fantasy story have the ending butchered like this, it just feels personal.
Ultimately they carry the accolade of rendering the worlds biggest show pointless. They have ensured that I will never go back and watch it all again. Futile.
I believe it was Andre's reporting that revealed D&D were fixated on a seven season run years back - and I can see a justification for that. Genre shows tend to start to flame out at five to seven seasons, so you kill a show at its height and are immortal forever. The problem is that they faithfully finished off Martin's material at a slow-walk pace through season 6 and then wrapped up in one 13 episode extended length final season. All of the main end notes - Mad Queen Dany, Jon exiled, Starks everywhere and King Bran - could have been achieved in the number of episodes produced. But to do that, D&D would have needed to start more aggressively pruning Martin's material and developing end themes in season 4 at latest. They didn't. They tried to shove all end theme development and payoff into one 13 episode extended final season; then they did a song and dance and called one season two. It wasn't enough. The Screen Rant Pitch Meeting is viciously accurate: HBO Executive Guy: "There seem to be a lot of plot threads for just 13 episodes." Script Writer Guy: "So many details to resolve, so little time." HBO Executive Guy: "Time? We can give you more time. How about 4 more seasons?" Script Writer Guy: "No! There's NO MORE TIME!" HBO Executive Guy: "Well okay then."
I'm just pissed that dragonfire now explodes stone walls, instead of just burning hot enough to melt it, which was set up with Harrenhal back in season 2.
Bran should have never been King that was the most stupid thing ever and they decided what happens to Jon they never let him speak they decided for him like always stupid.
One thing I noticed the last 2 episodes was it looked like they were going to set up a showdown between Jon Snow and Greyworm and that never happened.that would have been the most interesting thing that happened during The finale.
The ending could’ve been so good if D&D had taken the opportunity to have more seasons, and then it wouldn’t have been so rushed then. They could’ve developed Dany and made her mental state deteriorate over several seasons, making her fall to Mad Queen make sense. They could’ve spread out the fight against the Night King and his army over several episodes, making him a more formidable villain. This series started with the threat of the wights, and they were defeated so easily. They could’ve had Cersei actually do something instead of staring out of a window, and then given her (and Jaime) a better death than being killed by bricks. The ending they gave us would’ve made sense and been satisfying if it hadn’t been rushed, just like you said.
It's simple. This show could've been unforgettable. But it now forgettable and regrettable. Wish I didn't spend hours of my life watching and every week and years waiting for new episodes
if anything the show is unforgettable due to how much time we have all wasted with our investment in it. this is a wound that will never heal for most people.. this bitterness will follow them to their graves, and for good reason. this might _actually_ be so god damn disastrous that it will turn people away even from buying G.R.R.M's books, despite having nothing to do with the TV show.
HBO deserves this for not seeing this coming in the 3 great missteps of S4 - that was the wakeup call - by the middle of Season 5 the show was *fatally* flawed and doomed to end badly. It's a miracle the backlash took so long to start.
The problem wasn't too few episodes. The problem was that D&D are horrible writers. About 80% of season 7 was unnecessary, boring filler. How do you do that in a shortened season? That takes a lot of negative talent.
With each season finale, ive always felt a sense of wanting, with each passing Sunday after the last episodes. Honestly, I dont even care about Game of Thrones anymore
When the writers make a point to show that The Unsullied who were lead by an angry, vengeful, blood thirsty Grey Worm were executing Lannister soldiers in the street without mercy and taking no prisoners. Only to have that same angry, vengeful, blood thirsty soldier all of the sudden take the man who murdered his queen (the only person he swore to protect and serve) as a PRISONER which the writers had already established they weren’t doing in that very same episode. That is inconsistent and contradictory to the narrative that the writers had already established. That creates a huge plot hole and THAT my friend is the epitome of bad writing.
A very deep and lucid analysis, thank you. I understood from the very beginning that we all would have been disappointed when I knew that the final seasons would have been the shortest: 6 episodes! As you said, Danaerys' madness, Jon's fate, Bran,'s fate etc would ha been acceptable if made not in this hasty and inaccurate way. Some of my personal observations: 1) is it possible that the fate of Jon (King in the north, hero and legend, rightful heir to the iron throne and finally brother of the new King) is actually decided by Grey Worm, a former slave and simply a soldier who can now make decisions by his own and bargain with the King and Lords of Westeros? 2) Is it possibile that nobody, anymore, mention the true identity of Jon? In the last (ridiculous) summit, at least 5 persons (Bran, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion and Sam) know who Jon is...they all remain silent even now that Danaerys is dead? 3) The Dothrakys were completely destroyed in the battle with the army of deads, and the unsullied reduced to a few hundreds (confirmed also on the beginning of the siege of King's landing, where you can actually see a small army...) , and in the last episode, when Danaerys speaks to them, they are again thousands and thousands??? 4) How can they rebuild the city and the red palace so fast, after that everything was reduced to ashes? Or should we think that some years passed with Jon Snow kept in jail for years? And many other questions....but rush has always been a bad advisor......
As someone who never watched this show, I thank you for this. I was curious as to what was so wrong about the finale, as so many people danced around it. This, with no prior knowledge of the series, helped me to see so. That said, at no point did I disparage the fans of it, as I know how it feels to have a crappy ending tacked onto your genre fiction, heck as my own list goes, I started early with that, anyone here old enough to remember KA Applegate's writing? Animorphs and Everworld both ended similarly...heck Everworld just stops, it's not really an ending, the kids there just started winning, so series canceled. Still, it really is impossible not to notice how differently this backlash is being treated by the media, and it's easy to see why. This series was a phenomenon, it swept audiences up in its story and characters who would never have normally cared about it, thanks to both the grounding of the story in a real world sense(Magic existed, but it was not a major factor in the world), and some damn fine actors. Even as someone who knows nothing else about it, I know that much. These media outlets don't have to care about the 'geek' circles being pissed at them, as they get their hits elsewhere, but if they did the same here, they'd find themselves quickly with o one watching. It also probably helps that they themselves were likely avid consumers of it, rather than from the outside looking in, as they are with other franchises.
Ultimately, there’s no use complaining about whether or not you liked or hated the ending of Game of Thrones, cause this is the ending that George RR Martin told D&D, meaning that it’s the definitive and final ending of the series as a whole. George RR Martin has gone on record many times saying that his ending will be practically the same as D&D’s ending and that the only real changes will come from the storylines involving the characters that didn’t make it into the show, such as Arianne Martell, Coldhands, And Lady Stoneheart.
To get something positive out of this, I think all universities should incorporate this finale into their creative writing curriculum as an example to help young writers understand why they shouldn’t rush the ending.
Lam Bauman There's a great you tube video by Just Write doing exactly that. It was made a year or two ago following the disaster that was the end of season 7.
I think you are right, her arc, her becoming worse than any tyrant she threw down was and should have been the ultimate moral of the story. In order to defeat the great evils of the world you risk becoming them. And I think it showed she had that in her all along... go back and watch how she burns down the Dothraki Temple... how she stakes the 'masters' to the cross... how she envisions doing worse time and again, only to be talked out of such actions by her advisors. And when her advisors were gone, or failed her and she no longer trusted them... she became the worst she could become, it was in her all along.
TYRION: No one has a better story than Bran the Broken. He should be king. EVERYONE: But no one in the entire seven kingdoms knows Bran's story. Hell, we don't even know or understand half of it. How are we gonna sell this to the people? TYRION: Easy, we'll just have the Master of Whispers spread it. EVERYONE: Ummm... ? th-cam.com/video/jZqOFXT4UvY/w-d-xo.html
It's very simple: D&D aren't talented writers. They simply wrote dialogue around GRRM's amazing stories. When that material (the books) ran out..... these two hack writers had zero creative juice. They wanted to bail quickly because they flat out knew they didn't have the talent to keep it going.
In episode 1 of season 1 Robert states that they have been riding for a month to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. By the end of the show characters were teleporting all over the country in the blink of an eye. That was just one tiny thing but it showed has the care and realism of the show had completely vanished.
It was really interesting at my workplace where it seems everyone is a huge Game of Thrones fan how much they were so looking forward to this final season and how every one of my co-workers was disappointed in the finale and the last season overall.
It really is easy to anagram. MONTH OF GREASE THOSE MEN GO FAR AGENTS OF HOMER GAME OF HORNETS SHORTAGE OF MEN HE FORGOT NAMES HE ORGASM OFTEN GNOMES OF EARTH FEARSOME THONG ANTHEMS OF GORE FRAMES ON THE GO ONE THAMES FROG GO FAN THEOREMS THE AGE OF NORMS HONOR GETS FAME FAME GOES NORTH FAT GREEN HOMOS HE-MAN'S FROG TOE
Finale definitely doesn't get better the more it sits on the shelf. It's just a bitter reminder of the godawful ending to a great show. And like another that commented I can't even bring myself to watch the good shows or seasons knowing how it wraps up.
In my humble eyes, the problem happens to be when a show soul is shifted to reach new audiences, losing in the way what made it great in the first place. If your favourite show gets too popular, panic.
And frankly who cares what they do to Star Wars? That franchise has already been nuked by Ruin Johnson and JJ Abrams; D&D will just make the rubble bounce.
Benioff & Weiss have become the most hated showrunners in history due to their selfishness after what has happened, considering how universally loved they were prior to this rush of an ending. And it is NOT that the story is bad, it's just the way it came about through a rush to end it, so I ABSOLUTELY agree with showing Dany's decline into narcissism and paranoia more obviously over a period of time, instead of with a single episode (yeah yah, we have seen hints of it in the past, but nothing so drastic).
The Media are backing the criticism because one of their precious feminist icons got ruined - had Dany been a man they would be giving GoT fans the same treatment as Star Wars fans.
Dumb and Dumber should be fired from Star Wars and not allowed anywhere near another TV series. They should then be banished up North beyond the Wall and not allowed to marry or have children or be involved with any other media project.
I'm a normie and this last season HURT. What was so amazing about GOT is how invested I, as a normie, became in the amazing world and characters. They felt like people I knew. Yes I loved some of the spectacle but what made the spectacle amazing is the character development that happened beforehand. The spectacle had meaning and real consequences. It wasn't just bells and whistles. I had really enjoyed rewatching seasons and specific episodes because they touched me. But season 8, specifically the party after the end of the Night King and the final episode left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, that it's hard for me to watch any of it anymore. Kinda like when you find out someone you love is just a superficial user... that you were moved by their suave ways and have only now come to find out it was all a mask.
I LOATHE how they treated the Arya and Gendry arc. They made Gendry into some pathetic nice guy. And then just stopped with him... bringing him back to wear a suit and not even getting a fucking line to say in the last episode. He was a side character but an amazing one. His relationship with Arya was nuanced. He wasn't just friendzoned... he was completely ignored. Just not believable at all and really, an insult to anyone that had invested any emotion into him as a character.
I LOATHE how they wrote Bran. What a boring piece of shit do nothing when he could have been so amazing... they could have gone ANYWHERE with him and they chose to make him a shell. And then had the gall to try to convince us he had such a great story. To tell us without showing us. That we should just accept that and to be patronizing enough to ask the amazing actor Peter Dinklage to sell it. What an injustice to him and waste of his acting talent.
I LOATHE how they made Jon into an emasculated side character.
I LOATHE how they dumbed down Tyrion. He made mistakes. And I was hoping he'd learned from them and come back an even stronger player because that's what would have happened. Instead he is just a mistake machine. It doesn't humanize him. It makes him a caricature.
I LOATHE how they rushed through time and distance. What made the entire greatness of the Arya and the Hound relationship, for instance, is that we got to travel with them... through landscapes, meet people on the way, see how they react to each other and situations that arose.
I LOATHE that I can't go back and watch one of my favorite episodes of the whole series, the episode of interactions before the battle with the Night King, because all that happened afterward makes those interactions seem fake and hollow in retrospect.
I could go on. I could really write at least 10 more separate things I loathe. Like the how all the Dothraki and Unsullied instantly re-spawned out of nowhere. How completely patronizing and insulting that is. Anyway, I could go on and on. You know. We all can. It makes liking any bit of it feel spoiled like good food gone bad. Like having once liked tequila, but now that it's made me puke, I can't even think of it without cringing.
It's all so sad and stupid.
I agree 10000000000% on and fuckin on....
That did not sound like the rant of normie!
And the best response award goes to.... LOL. Yeah you said a mouthful, yet not enough. I agree with everything except the Gendry Arya part. Couldn't care about shipping those two together. I cared more about how all of a sudden she couldn't use her face changing anymore. Or Decided to be an in your face kind of fighter instead of a true 'assassin'
The north - now with the largest kingdom, but smallest army, could use an 'assassin'. Yet Arya gets on a boat to sail uncharted seas.
What about all the talk about the lone wolf dies alone, but the 'pack survives'??? Where did all that go? Guess it was ignored with the rest of everything else in order to get the rushed ending!
Truly... GOT season 8 made every season before it Irrelevant. Because Nothing MATTERED!!!! Jon's blood line, Dany's Curse, Brans power and purpose in gettting them for whats to come. Arya faceless training. The magic and purpose of combinging stark and targaryen blood...Etc etc etc. NOTHING MATTERED!!!!
you need to take a different look at the show. You have built interactions between characters. They are not plot building. Take a look at my channel it may open your eyes.
I sympathize with your pain and I certainly felt the characters were real up until season 8 but
1) Arya and Gendry were never going to e a couple. Get over that.
2) Jon wasn't emasulated, though it may seem like that, he was in love.
3) Tyrion has gotten dumb and dumber, but that is directly based on the writing getting dumb and dumber
4) hound and Arya is more like mentor and protege and it continued
Ending is still horrible though...
So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the show.
Obey the show. Obey the writers. Protect the fans. Defend the actors.
What if the fans despise the writers? What if the writers massacre the show?
Only now do we understand Jamie's plight.
Brilliant !
Indeed.
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The ending was so bad that it can only mean that D&D massacred the show on purpose. No way can anyone with a single brain cell think that it's an acceptable ending.
I haven't heard the term 'nitwits' in a long time, and I can't remember hearing it used with more accuracy. Well said, Andre!
How about the word " d i n g b a t "
@@mr.rayagi8255 Yes, that certainly works in this case, and your right I haven't heard that one in a long time.
A person who likes the name Daenerys and naming their child that is as much of a nitwit as someone who likes the name Myra and named their child that. Someone named Myra tortured and killed children so no one should ever name a child Myra now. It's a bit silly. Sometimes people just think a name sounds beautiful.
@@yogadork_namaste Yes, to name your child after a fictional character that has been inbreed and could and in this case did go mad should of made them think twice, I mean the books are unfinished they didn't even know her full story yet, but it sounded pretty so okay sure, I fear for our nation's future. LoL. EDIT- This is a sarcastic take on this subject, I only wish D&D cared as much as the fans did. Thank you.
Gta 5 border patrol side mission.
Latino gets tased, calls trevor and company..."fu*kwit"
And the guys to save Star Wars are the guys that ‘Snoked’ Game of Thrones into oblivion. Such tragic irony.
No wonder KK hired them.
@@JayDee284 I would have laughed, but it was too true
And now Ruin Johnson, Dingus and Dipshit are making a Star Wars EU. Great.
Star wars was a one off movie from the end of the seventies. All the rest is garbage...only a time machine can save star wars
@@jonq8714 he probably doesn't know ANH was released in 77, TESB 80 and ROTJ 83
I can't even bear to watch episodes of the good seasons knowing how it all turns out.
Same here! I always thought GoT would be a show that my wife and I could re-watch over and over again through the years but now I really doubt it.
Perhaps in a few years the biggest disappointment will have settled down a bit and we can watch the first 4, PERHAPS 5 seasons again. (Maybe 6 for certain specific scenes, but most likely we'll stop after that.)
However, the way things feel now I really doubt we'll be watching those first good seasons any time soon.
until GoT came along I never enjoyed rewatching anything - films or tv. I hope with time I might be able to regain my joy for the show.
"I can't even bear to watch episodes of the good seasons knowing how it all turns out."
That begs the question : "What exactly do you want anyway?". Do you want mindless escape'ism or do you want meaningful fulfillment? Pick 1, you can't have both by definition.
You see, I think you have been tricked into thinking that GoT is meaningful while it obviously is mindless escape'ism. Now that everybody is finding this out, it somehow is a shock to them why the ending isn't satisfying. It was a gimmick.
Also it was a gimmick employed by GRRM. I could have told you the ending would be flaccid from the first half o book one. I think the show runners realized this and just wanted to get out of this endless torrent of prolix that actually leads nowhere.
IF GRRM ever publishes the end, which I doubt, it will be equally underwhelming.
Imagine if alot of people feel the exact same. Then the upcoming prequels might be in for a not too stellar start
@@jonanderson4664 I will probably give it a half hearted go, instead of counting down the days
Benioff & Weiss's brilliant character dialogue's and logic:
Bran: You were meant to be here! You're where you're supposed to be! Why do you think I'm here!
I can never be lord of anything!......OK, I'll be King!!
Arya: We Stark's are together again! We're family!......
I'm not staying here with you, I'm leaving to go West, "Where no Man has gone before!"
Dany: The North won't bend the Knee! Sansa won't bend the knee! Everyone, bend the knee or I'll destroy a city!!
Jon: She's ouw queen! I don't wun it! She's yo queen! I don't wun it! She's ma queen! I don't wun it!!
Tyrion: Sansa, please play nice! Varys, Please play nice! Jon, Please play nice! Dany, please play nice!!
Jamie: Hate Cercei, like Brienne more!.......Wait, don't like Brienne as much anymore, love Cercei!!
Greyworm: Jon murdered our queen, Tyrion betrayed our queen, they must be punished!!...... Tyrion becomes hand of the king and Jon goes to the wall?? OK...fine with me! I'll just sail away now!!
Sansa: The North fought to never have to bend the knee to anyone ever again! I'll be Queen in the North, and they'll have to bend the knee to me!!
Lord's of the now 6 Kingdoms: Sansa and the North get their independence, and the rest of us don't?....OK, fine with us!... All hail Bran the broken!!
OYEEEEEEEE! Dan & Dave!! Amateurish writing at it's best!!
only the true
I miss Jorah. He would have reigned Dany back to reality. So many characters destroyed all for the sake of “ending the series”.
So much of the story is destroyed. George was right. Could have gone 10 seasons with some very clever writing, writing that had respected the characters and their arcs. Let the characters tell the story, what they do and say. Don’t drive the characters to an ending, that isn’t the way to tell a story.
D&D are hacks who will destroy Star Wars worse than it is now. Just look at what they did to GoT.
Hilarious))))))
Bronn gain much more doing nothing along the season.
That pretty much sums it up lol!!!
D&D turned off their social media after the finale, because they knew everyone would hate what they had done. Cowards
They can't hide forever.
We need an egg boy for this
fyreflye100 we'll be there when they come back. Fuckin' dumb junkies!
They deleted it,or they dont have one in the first place?
@Cataclysmic Dildoser if i crossed thame ,i gonna randomly shout "Shame"
2013: ya _that_ show is ok but it's no game of thrones
2020: ya you should watch _that_ show at least it doesn't pull a 'game of thrones'
Jump the Shark is no more, kneel before Pull a D&D!
Wow, sad but so true.
Others (on a good show with a satisfactory ending): Please continue for another season!
Me: Yeah.... Just remember: don't draw it out more than what the story can lay itself out to be, end it on a good note. Remember Season 8?
Bran has such a great story that his character was dropped for an entire season.
Being pushed--although only he knows that it wasn't just a fall--out of a window and living is a better story than being stabbed in the heart multiple and being resurrected?!?
That was an early sign that they just didn't know how to write brans story. So much potential there and the only interesting thing about his journey was screwing up poor hodor(which grrm told them about so they didn't technically come up with that).
Bran’s story wasn’t great, it wasn’t even good. It had the potential to be great but it turned out pretty much meaningless in end. He handicapped Hodor just so he could save his own skin, he treated Meera like a piece of crap after all she did for him. He could have saved Theon had he told Theon to get behind him. He wound up being an emotionless robot in the end, and got crowned king for it. Just stupid and lazy writing.
Bran had THE best story! He was just masterfully manipulating everything around him from the background. He gave Arya the knife, which suggests he can tell the future or at least put people in place to do his bidding. Told Jon his parentage, which all it did was create division between Dany and Jon, which was a factor in her becoming mad. Then he allowed Dany to massacre millions at King’s Landing, but didn’t tell Jon so he could stop her.
Bran is the best written villain ever. So well written, and so well portrayed on screen that no one yet has even realized that Bran was the bad guy all along.
What did he say when asked to rule even though he “didn’t want it”?
“Why do you think I came all this way?”
Bran has a long journey left in the books. In the books, his story is quite complex and dwell deep into prophecy and dreams. GRRM has said that bran chapters are the most difficult to write. In the books he still has huge potential and a big role to play. Dumb & Dumber destroyed him in the show.
Benioff and Weiss are dead to me.
I’ll never invest in another project they’re involved in.
I just can’t trust them as storytellers.
I don't trust HBO also. They should smell a shitty writer from a mile.
I was done with Disney's Star Wars after seeing The Last Jedi in theaters. D&D being involved basically just added a million more nails into that coffin and pushed it into the Earth's molting core.
You imbeciles wouldn't know shitty writing if it bit you in your asses. You can't split the show into halves and pretend it's the product of two separate creative entities. D&D brought you the good, and what you perceive to be the bad. Can't have it both ways. They're better at what they do than any of you will ever be at anything.
@@davemccombs but it is the product of two separate groups. The tv writers and the dude who wrote the books.
@@sylwesteradam759 I have to agree. So if they really believe that Bloodmoon is going to just as successful, they really need to ask themselves why would any one spend the same amount of time as we did with GoT, and then get shafted again???
10. The NK storyline - pointless
9. John Snow being Targaryen - pointless
8. Bran being tree eyed raven - pointless
7. Varys death - pointless
6. Arya´s trip to Kings landing - pointless
5. Golden company army - pointless
4. Cercei´s and Jamie´s death - pointless
3. Dany burning the city - pointless
2. Season 8 - pointless
1. D&D´s life - pointless
Jesse XXX A great summary.
@@vids595 King of the Year
@Patrick Sylvia nah you´re just unable to differentiate trash from a good writing.. as soon as D&D ran out of books GoT started to go south (no pun intended) and it showed that D&D are just "sculptors" of a great writing but not writers themselves.. they lack any bit of creativity whatsoever...and dont even get me started about that rush to end it quickly because of Starwars money...
How about ‘The Lord of Light?’ Who or what was he? Was he real? Was he connected to the Three-Eyed- Raven? What were his goals? Why did he give Clegane a vision? Someone suggested That the people he resurrected were wights too, but if fire, not ice.
@@jesse4238 to be fair, the show got worse because of a shit screen play, not shit writing.
It's easy to attack fans when you're not one of them. With GoT they're affected themselves...and suddenly it's okay to criticize a franchise. :D
It is foolish to punish the actors for a crime of the writers though...
Well HBO is a better company and aren't trying to spin the backlash. They are also modeled differently than the movies and aren't as dependent on continuous viewings for income.
Hollywood burned down Star Wars and nobody batted an eye.
Hollywood burned down GoT and everyone lost their minds!
@Marty I have no idea what you're talking about in fact Mamoa at least is one of us free folk you can kneel if you want though.
" Actors are pretty despicable people. "
Oh fuck off.
@ : Do you want to try that again but this time make sense?... Come on little boy use your words. Did your parents ever tell you there's a difference between TV and reality?
Tyrion: Bran should be king because Bran has the best story.
Dude, there was an entire season of this show without Bran in it and I didn't notice it til' he came back. Gendry had a better story than Bran.
@Patrick Sylvia Perhaps that is an overstatement. But in no way did Bran have the best story out of all the contenders for the throne.
bclanceman
Gendry king!
Gendry king!
Dumb & Dumber should pay the iron price
Do not watch anything that comes from those idiots!
Lol. Very funny
Yeah the last season was rushed and the worst of all the seasons, but no need to descend into juvenile name calling.
Awesome comment !
Do you plan to go through with that statement. I got 2 videos on my channel that may make you reconsider putting yourself in that position
“The lone wolf dies but the pack survives,” Sansa said as all four Starks went their separate ways.
LOL
Bingo. hahaha
Jeeesh
HBO screwed up. They should've bought out Dumb and Dumber and hired a new set of writers to conclude the show properly with a total of 10 seasons. The show suffered once Dumb and Dumber didn't have Martin's novels to guide them, showing that they suck at writing original material.
ckaz007 GRRM didn’t want his books adapted in the first place. He gave the rights to D&D specifically I believe and so HBO couldn’t just find another couple pair of writers
ckaz007 GRRM didn’t want his books adapted in the first place. He gave the rights to D&D specifically I believe and so HBO couldn’t just find another couple pair of writers
@@anacolla2
Wrong. He wanted his books adapted when he received a huge pay day from HBO. Martin was also executive producer on the show.
maybe that's why they wrapped the whole thing up so quick... they fucking knew they couldn't write for shit, and tried to kill that problem in its crib by finishing off the show before anyone would know whats what... it clearly had the opposite effect of what they intended.
HBO blew it. Pure and simple. Your analysis Sir is spot on.
The only 'mistake' HBO made was trusting that D&D knew what they were doing. And even then they had no reason to think they didn't for six and a half years. Even as someone who wasn't taken with the series, and yes I did watch more that a handful of episodes, I am more than happy enough to say that the early seasons were high quality.
Nor were HBO 'done' with the show or uncaring about it. You don't start developing three other series based on the same IP (one of which is filming) if you have no interest in it. Like the Star Wars and Star Trek franchises HBO will have made FAR more money from merchandise than from anything else. They will be very well aware of what happened to the Star Wars franchise in that regard when customers disliked what they were offered.
@@darthkai8242 They may have gotten their ratings, but don't think this hasn't backfired on them in the long run. Right now there are calls to cancel the subscription. Plus a major ratings boost means nothing for rewatchability, which GoT has none. They shoot themselves in the foot and that's on them.
James HBO wanted 10 season's at least D&D turned them down, I can't remember were I heard or read it but it's out there.
I'm still scratching my head at how HBO let this get by them. I realize that the first few seasons when there was source material were adapted well but wasn't there any oversight on these final two seasons? Didn't anyone watch this and think, "Oh shit, this is bad"? Had they just spent too much money by the time they realized how bad it was and thought there might be some backlash but it'll blow over? I'm also sad that because this went so badly that now they are really backing up on the prequels only committing to seeing how this first one does.
HBO didn't blow anything. HBO basically gave the writers a blank cheque to go on for years. Imagine that, nigh infinite time and money to finish a show that has already been the most popular thing that has ever been on TV, EVER! But dumb&dumber wanted to work another more prestigious project so they rushed it into an early grave (and at the rate they're going they're prolly gonna kill off what's left of the ding star wars franchise). There would be spin offs, there would be merchandise...Kid wanting to be dragon riders, knight or Dorthraki, toys with every friggin happy meal, waiting lines for the first cinema release, cups, bags, posters even that iron throne toilet that would let you rule the bathroom....HBO could have reeled in literal BILLIONS of profits for decades to come hadn't these clowns fucked it up...
G.R..R.Martin has written so much lore on this fantasy world, HBO could easily have made another 70 episodes of different legends and historical tales without touching the main story line. You REALLY think HBO would let that get taken from them for quick profit? I'm not a marketeer, but even an idiot could see the potential in that.
Her "turn" is out of nowhere, at least how it played out. I mean, come on! She didn't even go for Cersei or the red keep?!
agreed
They screwed up so bad that even if they make another show with a magnificent first season many will wait for the end of the show to watch it. I'm one of them.
exactly. Why invest the time and emotion? I won't watch until I feel confident it's not a waste.
I disagree with the simplistic idea that the ending was "rushed". They had 12 hours to set up Daenerys's turn and they didn't bother outside of her burning the Tarlys last season. Last season she was refusing to take King's Landing by force, outright ignoring her allies' advise to end the war quickly and decisively (a decision that killed those allies). She agreed to the insane plan to get a zombie to show to Cersei. She left King's Landing alone to go fight in the north. This season, she tried to make friends with Sansa and it was SANSA who was intractable. She had her father's murderer in front of her and she simply pardoned him. She chose to restore House Baratheon, the house of the usurper king. She again agreed to Tyrion's plan of siege over attack. Even after her dragon and friend were killed, she still waited a couple weeks to attack.
The problem wasn't that the ending was rushed. There was plenty of time if they'd bothered to actually prepare for the ending. But, baffingly, they just had her go right on being the Dany we know almost until the moment that she went YOLO and torched King's Landing after it surrendered. To give any credence to the show not having enough time gives these writers too much credit. They just completely forgot to do anything to lead into the heel turn. That level of incompetence should not be let off the hook.
Jon Smith Worth to be read twice. I had almost forgotten the inconsistencies of the last season. We all were too sympathetic with Tyrion, who only wanted to save his brother.
Upvote on good points specifically on Dany but the overall show was indeed rushed.
She knew her father was a nutjob that's why she spared Jamie and she didn't try to make friends with Sansa at all. And, she only empowered Gendry because she knew she could control him.
The show certainly was rushed. There should have been 20 episodes for the last 2 seasons not only 13. Even though, S8 had 2 hours episodes it contained a lot of filler. Apart from the story being rushed, a lot of what they wrote was nonsensical; their only concern was driving the plot forward not the characters and how they would behave in certain situations.
It was rushed because they didn't give themselves enough time to get the characters to where they needed to be via a convincing and consistent narrative, but also because they squandered the limited time they did have on visual callbacks to earlier scenes. There's nothing wrong with drawing thematic parallels like this but you shouldn't be sacrificing the story to prioritise style over substance.
Yep. I liked how it ended, but the rushed plot ruined it.
Been watching thousands of youtube videos since ''The Disappointing Night'' and they quickly became much better than the actual episodes. Didnt think that at this point I'd still find anything that would still be interesting in this subject, and I found your video. It is very well done and said! We are all in this together. Hope Disney can still fire them before the disaster is too big. I refuse to watch Star Wars after what they did to GoT... Refuse!
Great commentary. You have elevated the art of critique. Yes, the whole fan backlash-exposing the incompetence of the showrunners debacle is fascinating. I fall into the "normie" camp, but your laser focus insight and analysis along with some of your confederates in the cause have helped me understand how and why media production and entertainment companies will pay a heavy price for purposely and purposefully downgrading what started out to be high quality entertainment. In the end, it really is about business, but they didn't stick to their end of the bargain.
Business or not, when you are on top of a global entertainment phenomenon, you DO NOT treat it as if it was just business. Something of the magnitude of GoT does not come every day. I think the 2 producers haven't learned this fundamental lesson in the entertainment industry. Too bad. For everyone.
Maybe George R.R.Martin can save this phenomenon... he is the Creator. And the Creator hasn't written his last words yet.
@@LianaBuzea I was reading the books before the show and I'll continue to read them after the series. I think to most people, this is just a fan fiction since season 5. I just enjoyed it for what it was, especially since they ruined my favorite character, but even with that mindset the ending was horrible.
Let's not forget that Martin is under contract.
@@ShamblesMD They ruined my favourite character also. Why is it that people cannot built a character complex enough to hold both light & shadow and exist like that... after all, all of us are like that in reality...
Ginette Mayas To be fair I think GOT was always a piece of shit TV series and the fans just kind of got it at the end. The series was always style over substance.
"I don't want it." - my new conflict management method. Highly successful.
*" eh dun wunt tet"
I am sad that my favorite show ended really disappointing
ENT Fan's can relate. It was only one episode, but the drop off in quality was harrowing when one of your favorite character's is relegated to chopping carrots.
@@davfree9732 yup indeed man this sucks
same
It wasnt the ending..IT WAS HOW IT.WAS DONE...
It is sad that you were unable to spot the clues from either the first seasons or the first book that the ending was already fated to be a disappointment. The key lies in being able to spot the difference between mindless entertainment and mindless entertainment that pretends to be deep and meaningful.
How could it both drag and rush at the same time? Miraculous. D&D are genius writers.
Take the wasted-time first 2 episodes and actually do something that serves the plot (like the character arc for Dany and Bran).
How? Because they kinda forgot about certain story elements.
the sheeple reveal themselves when they say "rushed". 1 year off just to write. 55 days filming one battle. 6 hours of screentime. yet somehow this was rushed? jfl
@@maxr1826 So after one year the characters motivations, arcs etc. aren't clear. The plot is dumb. The Night King is a joke... 55 days of filming and the battle is a mess, both in technical aspect (it's a dark mess) and realism (open battle in front of the greatest fort in Westeros). They actually should have done it reverse Un-realistic lights (so you can at least see something) and realistic battle strategy (as to not have 8 years olds who player 1 hour of Total War can tell your plan sucks).
And it was rushed: if they wanted to D&D could have made 10+ seasons with 10 episodes each. But they either thought themselves too smart or rushed it.
They focused on the wrong things. For example the finale kills off Daenerys about half way through and then the rest is boring with filler like Tyrion moving chairs for a minute
The Tyrion bit about ’the importance of stories’ was clearly self-referential to Benioff and Weiss. It was an example of their own egotistical sense of self-importance. They are the real Tyrants of the Tale.
They projected their own subconcious self-perception - which is one of unworthiness and abuse of power - onto Daenerys’s character out of their own subconscious guilt. And they themselves, in real life, maintain that same delusional and exaggerated self-regard that she had at the end.
Ultimately, Benioff said it himself, “A good story is not a good story if you have a bad ending.” Their ending with the Game of Thrones franchise is similar to Dany’s ending, which they’ve been mirroring for some time.
Thank you! I left a similar comment on another vid. That "the one with the stories should be king" is blatant writer narcissism and self-service, making Bran a Marty Stu. Bran, as an omniscient who "knows how the story goes," knows millions will be hurt by actions he could prevent, and does nothing, yet shows up on payday to profit from it, when other, better people should have. I don't even have words for the level of disgust.
I totally agree. You could hear them circle jerking one another during that speech.
@@lh3664
Bran didn't just know thousands could be killed and failed to act to prevent it. The little he did do encouraged that death and destruction. Not a great leader.
Bran 'The wacked out of his mind waste of space' Stark... has a nice ring to it.
Dennis Jørgensen bran the “ my dick doesn’t work “ Stark
When you've put that much time and effort into a project why would you not want to do your best to finish it right? It almost feels as if they've just flushed the last eight years of their lives down the toilet.
ESPECIALLY when HBO were willing to put up the money. Usually it's an issue of having to wrap up the story early because your resources are limited, but not this time.
YUP...that is the ultimate sadness. The previous brilliance is so very tarnished as to have little or no value upon rewatching. D&D totally screwed GoT resale value.....it's like THEY went mad. They should be drummed out of the business....maybe they can work at Burger King...where they can flame broil all they want!
DnD basically became Michael Bay...all about visual spectacle and loudness while short changing the writing quality. So it's even worse than you say because all the visual spectacle required the crew to work even harder than previous seasons. They gave this incredible crew some shitty scripts while they worked 55 nights in the cold for just that NK battle episode....wtf!!!!
@@beyondz55 yeah..AVOID MICHAEL BAY!!
Or give it to someone else who wants to take the time to do it justice.
I looked for and signed the petition and clicked the like button here done and done!
www.change.org/p/disney-keep-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-away-from-star-wars
I loved Season 8 😊
Muggles Cake Sniffer Well done 👍 I did to.
@@dash4800 Season 8 was good. Get over Daenerys death.
@@Predestinated1 lol, dany dying doesnt crack the top 100 of things that are terrible about this season
Courtier: "King Bran! King Bran! We're being invaded from Essos! Troops are already at our walls and they have 100,000 men!", King Bran: "I have to go now." - Yeah he'll make a GREAT king *eyeroll*!
Season 7: I'm the worst GOT season ever.
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Season 8: hold my Starbucks cup.
A good analysis of the media reaction. D&D took a golden opportunity and rushed to a quick ending when there was absolutely no need to do so. If D&D wanted to bail to pursue other projects, they should have been replaced and the show could have run 10 seasons with little to no loss in quality with the right people at the helm. HBO has a terrible track record of bringing intelligent well written shows to abrupt unsatisfying conclusions: ROME, DEADWOOD, THE SOPRANOS and now GAME OF THRONES. When will they ever learn? Let's hope Martin's final 2 novels give the fans the ending the sage truly deserved and not a shortcut.
mark60123 He’s in his 70’s. I hope he can finish the novels. But he’s rich, overweight, and comfortably numb. I hope 🤞 he will get going on the last two books.
The Sopranos didn't get a satisfying conclusion? What are you talking about? It finished exactly as intended by the show runner, head writer and creator of the show. If you mean the last scene then fine, but the last story arc of the series was concluded and written at the same level of quality as the rest of the seasons and, the character arcs were all wrapped up nicely as well. Nothing like what happened with Game of Thrones.
Rome was one of if not the best show I've ever seen. I honestly liked it more than GOT because it was based on real history and was remarkably accurate to the time period and just felt authentic. We'll never see another show like that again that's for sure. Why it only lasted 2 seasons is beyond me, I guess it was "too expensive" to produce.
@Cherry Muse I read some people thought their television had malfunctioned. I can see why people were upset over it. On the surface it looks like a cop out (it's not, but I don't want to get into it right now, it's been debated and analyzed for years online). To anyone who hasn't seen the show, watch it! It's really, really good.
@@digi3363 - I'm glad you were satisfied with the ending of the Sopranos because I wasn't. To this day I'm not certain if Tony is dead or alive.
On top of this the showrunners Betrayed all the people who worked their butts off and did great work on this show and in other movies.
if you watch the "behind the thrones" documentary that came out after season 8's end, its very apparent to anyone with a brain that dumb and dumber was rushing everything to the point where the crew and cast got angry and stressed out.
they were stretched, literally to the limit of their resources, all so Dumb and Dumber could get to go work on star wars in time for... for what??... they just dumped GoT like a used milk carton for absolutely no other reason than "we're tired of this toy, we want to play with this new toy".
these two RETARDS will go down in history as the worst writers in the world.
*Anyone who paid attention to the Wrap Interviews **_knew_** it was going to be bad. **_Really bad._** Dani's actress cringed when asked how it closed, and her only comment was a fully sarcastic "Best season evah!", while half laughing and half grimacing (clearly the crew can't dis the show, per contracts). Every major actor and actress had a similar reaction - it was clear that they all **_hated_** what GoT had become over the last 3 seasons - they just couldn't say it directly.*
*When even your own people think you have shit the bed, chances are pretty good that you did indeed shit the bed.*
R+L=nothing important. The Iron Islands and Dorne were cool with the north leaving but are happy to stay in the seven kingdoms, but the north had to leave because they can only be ruled by a Stark.... just not Bran, he doesn’t count. You see, this is what we call contradictory, R+L set up Jon. If it didn’t matter in the end, if the fact he was a legitimate or illegitimate child didn’t matter, why include it at all? If he is legitimate, killing Danaerys was a legal act as she’s a usurper, therefore who can punish him? You scrape past the surface and it all falls apart. In lol his travels with Yara Greyjoy, Theon never mentioned Jon, or how much he respected him, even after he rescued Yara after Jon gave him advice? Instead she’s fiercely loyal to a woman she spent maybe 3 scenes with?
What a dumpster fire.
James McKenzie the part about Jon being the heir and Danny’s nephew was ONLY included to cause drama within their relationship. Nothing more. And tbh if that’s the only reason for it to be included in the books also, it’s pathetic.
Danys death should have had massive fallout, especially since she named all her Dothraki bloodriders so they should have been trying to kill Jon at all costs. It should have been a whole new wave of chaos; you can’t kill a queen and expect no consequences. But there were no consequences for killing Dany, her death is swept under the rug in like five minutes.
@@iriswaldenburger2315 No the books wont be that stupid. It will have more meaning, and I'm actually a fan of theory N+A actually equals J, not R+L and the show not doing anything w/that is another indicator that could be the truth.
@@iriswaldenburger2315
Believe me it isn't. Jon's parentage is significant for mystical reasons because it represents the marriage of ice and fire. How this will play out in the narrative I don't know but I don't expect the white walkers to be destroyed. Humans, led by Jon, need to establish a way to coexist with them.
It was so badly written that I will be bitter about it for years to come. I never thought Game of Thrones would join the television ranks of Lost and Dexter and yet here we are.
GoT got smoked. A multi illion dollar troll job. How nobody at HBO was overseeing this makes no sense. They deserve the backlash, they let these 2 idiots destroy their investment. As for Star Wars, lol - No thanks. They subvertted my expectations into disinterest.
Season 8 is dead to me. I have burned it to ashes in my mind.
A gift to the Lord of light to give us a better last season 😄
Try this alternate take on the last season. I feel no loyalty to the original ending and I've taken this one on as my chosen alternative conclusion. Most of the comments I've scanned (3.5m views today) seem pleased.
Link, "How Game of Thrones Should Have Ended" by Think Story channel.
th-cam.com/video/G0mncEl4nVU/w-d-xo.html
B&W don't need to touch Star Wars. They don't need to be anywhere NEAR KoToR. They will screw it up as badly as they did Season 8 GoT.
Maddy-MWM Media who is B&W ?? Please use the norm calling... its DUMB & DUMBER
Star Wars is dead. Let them go beat that horse all they want.
@@Gohasuka I would prefer twiddle Dum and Twiddle dipshit
Vapid millennials with their absurd acronyms are what is ruining entertainment. KoToR? Your infant Danaerys is crying. You better get her grandmother to feed her.
@@jbmiller3280
1. I am 45 Years old and have been Knights of the Old Republic for years.
2. Abbreviations are the new short hand.
3. I am not vapid, nor a millennial. Your assumption of who I am just made an ass out of you, sir.
4. I saw Dany's insanity coming from a mile away. I didn't bitch when she had the psychotic break. Don't assume you know people from one comment on the internet.
I still feel heartbroken 💔💔💔...
Karen Kim
you're not alone.💔
Me too. No broken heart symbol on my device. But it is truly broken.
Oh, my sweet summer child, what do you know about disappointment? Disappointment is for the short night, when Jon did nothing and Arya fell a hundred feet from nowhere. Disappointment is for the characters, whose arcs are built up for years only to be instantly regressed and plot lines are born and live and die all in nothingness. That is the time for disappointment, my queen, when the White Walkers never make it past Winterfell.
Thousands of years ago, there came lazy writers that destroyed an entire series. Fans raged about no set up, payoff or logic, same as the cast members in their interviews. And parents smothered their Khaleesis rather than see them watch Season 8, and wept and felt the tears of disappointment on their cheeks.
In that darkness, the Show Runners came for the last time. They rushed through season 8 without care, leaving coffee cups and water bottles, riding off to Star Wars to “subvert more expectations”.
phoenixrising7777 Your a better writer than D & D 😜
Big Red Thank you? Lol yeah it’s sad that the cast and crew had to suffer from D&D phoning it in to get out.
LOL , thanks for the laughs.
Well played
I read this in old nans voice
I Can not understand how Benioff & Weiss practically destroyed their writing reputation by just rushing and throwing anything in there for a show that millions of people were anticipating for some what of a competent season 8 and ending finale! Did they actually think they could just half-ass it with millions watching? Smh!!
Their inflated egos blinded them. In the video where the actors are reading the script, it's obvious these 2 idiots were actually proud of themselves.
This channel is a soothing, straightforward way to deal with the pain of franchise heartbreak. They contextualize the full scope of the different sides.
What is even worse is THEIR DENIAL
IT WAS A MAGICAL MIRACLE GROUP....EXCEPT FOR 2 PEOPLE...2 PEOPLE SHOULD OF BEEN HOG TIED AND DISAPPEARED ..AT LEAST UNTIL IT.WAS.COMPLETLY.DONE.
RARELY IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS DOES THE PERFECT GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER ASSEMBLE....AND THIS ALMOST ONE OF THEM...ALMOST.
demon2441 - it is. And I think his calm yet expressive voice and that lovely lilting accent has a lot to do with it. Good content doesn’t hurt either.
Yes... but you will be looking for more videos critiquing season 8 because the wound just keeps bleeding... you know this to be true.. search your feelings, Luke.
Apparently Kit Harrington and Sophie Turner have gone off at fans on their social media accounts, saying they are "disrespectful" for their opinions. So the fan blaming by the actors has begun now it seems. Harrington did not take long to do his 180 after saying he found the final season to be a disappointment. Someone must have got in his ear and told him "defend the show or else".
Sophie just said she thinks the fans are being disrespectful to the cast and crew...which is BS because everyone is pissed off at ONLY the writers, but at least she was polite. Kit on the other hand actually said the fans should "go frick themselves". I will never again see any movie or tv show he is a part of 🤷🏻♀️🖕🏻
What did Sophie say? I doubt she would say that.
@@edabakb It seemed to me from almost the very beginning that Kit felt the show was beneath him as if he wanted to be doing something else even as he was making the $$$. He's probably not happy that he never was able to take his career any farther than the show.
Loved this series until this last season. Such a waste. 😞
S7 feeled pretty rushed aswel. it made me a bit sceptical about what they where going to do with the last season but i didn't expect them to ruin it like this.
S7 was the same standard.
@@jfilms6106 yes but i kind of hoped they would improve with s8 but they clearly didn't
The last season I enjoyed without feeling disappointed was S6. Yes, there were parts of S5 which were cringeworthy (specifically Braavos and Dorne) but at the time I shrugged them off as missteps.
I awaited S7 with both trepidation and hope but it started slowly, dragged for 3 episodes then deteriorated quickly with E6 being the worst. S8 is almost exactly the same, which isn't surprising when you consider they were both initially intended to be a single long final season.
I was so excited for the final season after such a long wait. I liked episode 1 & 2 well enough but then episode 3 happened and I kept seeing characters look like they got killed only to be seen again a few minutes later still fighting and still looking like they were going to die any second but then being ok. So out of character and it took all the emotion out of it for me. After that I was just eh...
I think if they gave Matt Stone and Trey Parker the rights to do GoT they could have done a better final season than Dumb & Dumber.
Moral of the story: if you're strong young beautiful and female, expect every man in your life to gaslight, betray, marginalize, reject and underestimate you. When you finally snap from the abuse, expect to be murdered. The end.
Sometimes a single stupid move makes history.
1912: First Officer Murdock from the Titanic: "hard aport, reverse gear"
2015: D&D: "we only need 13 more episodes to finish this"
I'm still in mourning re: the butchered GoT S8
Hello Future Me made a good rewrite video for ep 5-6 though.
Look how many times they got Lord of the Rings wrong, until Peter Jackson.
@@harrymills2770 and then he did the Hobbit
A good fan fic piece but they didn't make a better show. Take a look at my review. It proves the only people who butcher the GoT story are the fans
Rushing for the sake of RUNNING TO SIT ON DISNEY'S LAP 😒
Benioff and Weiss are sellouts. They should have to do the walk of shame for that last season!
There's another Midnight's Edge video that debunks this, don't attribute it to malice (abandoning the show to play with the shiny new toy) when it's easily explained by stupidity (they decided the ending and the number of remaining episodes years ago then mangled together a mess to get from one to the other).
Michael Martin The worst kind of screen writer is the one who no longer cares about the story they are telling.
Best thing we the consumer can do is Not support their future projects even if it means not buying movie tickets. Or the message will fall on deaf ears because you still gave them money even though you hate it.
+Harry McDow - agreed! Goes for all storytellers, no matter what medium they use. Up on top there's Debbie Beukema, who names herself a normie (I suppose that's someone not living in several worlds/multiverses at the same time) explaining how she feels. Makes me want to be a Dragon/Sith/Superhero and do some "reviews" up close and personal. But... I'd also like to say that the actors of GoT were casted brilliantly and showed us legends..."Mankind needs stories as much as water and grain. They teach us about life." - proverb from ancient high culture Mesopotamia/Babylon. Thank you for listing to my rant (:
More people are outrage because this is our generation's fantasy story. They had LOTR in the 40-60s, Star Wars in the 80's and so on. And for the one of the best fantasy story have the ending butchered like this, it just feels personal.
Ultimately they carry the accolade of rendering the worlds biggest show pointless.
They have ensured that I will never go back and watch it all again.
Futile.
"Will the dragon eat her?"
I'm glad I'm not the only person who wondered that.
Star Gourd I doubt it. He loved her.
I believe it was Andre's reporting that revealed D&D were fixated on a seven season run years back - and I can see a justification for that. Genre shows tend to start to flame out at five to seven seasons, so you kill a show at its height and are immortal forever. The problem is that they faithfully finished off Martin's material at a slow-walk pace through season 6 and then wrapped up in one 13 episode extended length final season. All of the main end notes - Mad Queen Dany, Jon exiled, Starks everywhere and King Bran - could have been achieved in the number of episodes produced. But to do that, D&D would have needed to start more aggressively pruning Martin's material and developing end themes in season 4 at latest. They didn't. They tried to shove all end theme development and payoff into one 13 episode extended final season; then they did a song and dance and called one season two. It wasn't enough. The Screen Rant Pitch Meeting is viciously accurate:
HBO Executive Guy: "There seem to be a lot of plot threads for just 13 episodes."
Script Writer Guy: "So many details to resolve, so little time."
HBO Executive Guy: "Time? We can give you more time. How about 4 more seasons?"
Script Writer Guy: "No! There's NO MORE TIME!"
HBO Executive Guy: "Well okay then."
I'm just pissed that dragonfire now explodes stone walls, instead of just burning hot enough to melt it, which was set up with Harrenhal back in season 2.
Dragonfire does what is ever most convenient for lazy writers.
THANK YOU! DAFAQ!?!
when drogon literally cut the tower of the hand in half like a hot knife through butter.... smh...
After watching the final season of GoT, the finale of the Lord of The Rings trilogy seems like a miracle now.
There's a lot of nitpicking criticism of the LOTR movies but as the years pass the brilliance of PJ's adaptation shines more brightly.
Bran should have never been King that was the most stupid thing ever and they decided what happens to Jon they never let him speak they decided for him like always stupid.
The ending of this show has made me very jaded with modern television. I think I'll just rewatch old shows from now on.
One thing I noticed the last 2 episodes was it looked like they were going to set up a showdown between Jon Snow and Greyworm and that never happened.that would have been the most interesting thing that happened during The finale.
An epic fight between Jon and Grey Worm, with Gey Worm eating Jon's sword. Then Jon taking the throne because he had to.
@@peteschechner1550
Grey Worm was written very inconsistently in the last two episodes. A capsule example of the show's poor
continuity.
The ending could’ve been so good if D&D had taken the opportunity to have more seasons, and then it wouldn’t have been so rushed then. They could’ve developed Dany and made her mental state deteriorate over several seasons, making her fall to Mad Queen make sense. They could’ve spread out the fight against the Night King and his army over several episodes, making him a more formidable villain. This series started with the threat of the wights, and they were defeated so easily. They could’ve had Cersei actually do something instead of staring out of a window, and then given her (and Jaime) a better death than being killed by bricks.
The ending they gave us would’ve made sense and been satisfying if it hadn’t been rushed, just like you said.
It's simple. This show could've been unforgettable. But it now forgettable and regrettable. Wish I didn't spend hours of my life watching and every week and years waiting for new episodes
if anything the show is unforgettable due to how much time we have all wasted with our investment in it.
this is a wound that will never heal for most people.. this bitterness will follow them to their graves, and for good reason.
this might _actually_ be so god damn disastrous that it will turn people away even from buying G.R.R.M's books, despite having nothing to do with the TV show.
HBO deserves this for not seeing this coming in the 3 great missteps of S4 - that was the wakeup call - by the middle of Season 5 the show was *fatally* flawed and doomed to end badly. It's a miracle the backlash took so long to start.
The problem wasn't too few episodes. The problem was that D&D are horrible writers. About 80% of season 7 was unnecessary, boring filler. How do you do that in a shortened season? That takes a lot of negative talent.
S1-6 Winter is coming
S7 Winter
S8 It's spring
that was fast
Next time it’s November in Buffalo, they should have Arya come in and shag-a-bitch, and end winter before it begins. 😂
With each season finale, ive always felt a sense of wanting, with each passing Sunday after the last episodes. Honestly, I dont even care about Game of Thrones anymore
I canceled my HBO account as soon as GOT was over after several years of buying their service I no longer care to contribute.
When the writers make a point to show that The Unsullied who were lead by an angry, vengeful, blood thirsty Grey Worm were executing Lannister soldiers in the street without mercy and taking no prisoners.
Only to have that same angry, vengeful, blood thirsty soldier all of the sudden take the man who murdered his queen (the only person he swore to protect and serve) as a PRISONER which the writers had already established they weren’t doing in that very same episode.
That is inconsistent and contradictory to the narrative that the writers had already established.
That creates a huge plot hole and THAT my friend is the epitome of bad writing.
A very deep and lucid analysis, thank you. I understood from the very beginning that we all would have been disappointed when I knew that the final seasons would have been the shortest: 6 episodes! As you said, Danaerys' madness, Jon's fate, Bran,'s fate etc would ha been acceptable if made not in this hasty and inaccurate way. Some of my personal observations: 1) is it possible that the fate of Jon (King in the north, hero and legend, rightful heir to the iron throne and finally brother of the new King) is actually decided by Grey Worm, a former slave and simply a soldier who can now make decisions by his own and bargain with the King and Lords of Westeros? 2) Is it possibile that nobody, anymore, mention the true identity of Jon? In the last (ridiculous) summit, at least 5 persons (Bran, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion and Sam) know who Jon is...they all remain silent even now that Danaerys is dead? 3) The Dothrakys were completely destroyed in the battle with the army of deads, and the unsullied reduced to a few hundreds (confirmed also on the beginning of the siege of King's landing, where you can actually see a small army...) , and in the last episode, when Danaerys speaks to them, they are again thousands and thousands??? 4) How can they rebuild the city and the red palace so fast, after that everything was reduced to ashes? Or should we think that some years passed with Jon Snow kept in jail for years? And many other questions....but rush has always been a bad advisor......
As someone who never watched this show, I thank you for this. I was curious as to what was so wrong about the finale, as so many people danced around it. This, with no prior knowledge of the series, helped me to see so. That said, at no point did I disparage the fans of it, as I know how it feels to have a crappy ending tacked onto your genre fiction, heck as my own list goes, I started early with that, anyone here old enough to remember KA Applegate's writing? Animorphs and Everworld both ended similarly...heck Everworld just stops, it's not really an ending, the kids there just started winning, so series canceled.
Still, it really is impossible not to notice how differently this backlash is being treated by the media, and it's easy to see why. This series was a phenomenon, it swept audiences up in its story and characters who would never have normally cared about it, thanks to both the grounding of the story in a real world sense(Magic existed, but it was not a major factor in the world), and some damn fine actors. Even as someone who knows nothing else about it, I know that much.
These media outlets don't have to care about the 'geek' circles being pissed at them, as they get their hits elsewhere, but if they did the same here, they'd find themselves quickly with o one watching. It also probably helps that they themselves were likely avid consumers of it, rather than from the outside looking in, as they are with other franchises.
Ultimately, there’s no use complaining about whether or not you liked or hated the ending of Game of Thrones, cause this is the ending that George RR Martin told D&D, meaning that it’s the definitive and final ending of the series as a whole. George RR Martin has gone on record many times saying that his ending will be practically the same as D&D’s ending and that the only real changes will come from the storylines involving the characters that didn’t make it into the show, such as Arianne Martell, Coldhands, And Lady Stoneheart.
To get something positive out of this, I think all universities should incorporate this finale into their creative writing curriculum as an example to help young writers understand why they shouldn’t rush the ending.
Lam Bauman
There's a great you tube video by Just Write doing exactly that. It was made a year or two ago following the disaster that was the end of season 7.
I think you are right, her arc, her becoming worse than any tyrant she threw down was and should have been the ultimate moral of the story.
In order to defeat the great evils of the world you risk becoming them. And I think it showed she had that in her all along... go back and watch how she burns down the Dothraki Temple... how she stakes the 'masters' to the cross... how she envisions doing worse time and again, only to be talked out of such actions by her advisors. And when her advisors were gone, or failed her and she no longer trusted them... she became the worst she could become, it was in her all along.
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Daenerys: Ben...
D&D: Ben who?
Daenerys: Ben D. Knee😳
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I'm a chill person but I'm honestly so pissed about how this ended.
TYRION: No one has a better story than Bran the Broken. He should be king.
EVERYONE: But no one in the entire seven kingdoms knows Bran's story. Hell, we don't even know or understand half of it. How are we gonna sell this to the people?
TYRION: Easy, we'll just have the Master of Whispers spread it.
EVERYONE: Ummm... ?
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Who else is still obsessing on this tragedy...? 😩
injustices were made that will never be forgiven
It's very simple: D&D aren't talented writers. They simply wrote dialogue around GRRM's amazing stories. When that material (the books) ran out..... these two hack writers had zero creative juice. They wanted to bail quickly because they flat out knew they didn't have the talent to keep it going.
I had been planning to buy the complete series after it came out but then season 8 hit the proverbial fan...
Yep same here. I don't want to give them my money now..
You aren’t alone!!
In episode 1 of season 1 Robert states that they have been riding for a month to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell. By the end of the show characters were teleporting all over the country in the blink of an eye. That was just one tiny thing but it showed has the care and realism of the show had completely vanished.
It appears they must have been riding a bullet train
It was really interesting at my workplace where it seems everyone is a huge Game of Thrones fan how much they were so looking forward to this final season and how every one of my co-workers was disappointed in the finale and the last season overall.
We should protest against them WRITING starwars
"Hot frog enemas" -- the perfect anagram of "Game of Thrones" to describe how everything turned out.
It really is easy to anagram.
MONTH OF GREASE
THOSE MEN GO FAR
AGENTS OF HOMER
GAME OF HORNETS
SHORTAGE OF MEN
HE FORGOT NAMES
HE ORGASM OFTEN
GNOMES OF EARTH
FEARSOME THONG
ANTHEMS OF GORE
FRAMES ON THE GO
ONE THAMES FROG
GO FAN THEOREMS
THE AGE OF NORMS
HONOR GETS FAME
FAME GOES NORTH
FAT GREEN HOMOS
HE-MAN'S FROG TOE
Those of us in Westeros know that season 8 was a steaming pile of you know what.
Finale definitely doesn't get better the more it sits on the shelf. It's just a bitter reminder of the godawful ending to a great show. And like another that commented I can't even bring myself to watch the good shows or seasons knowing how it wraps up.
Four more seasons would have been so great!And they could have!?!?!?Makes no sense. 🤔
@Patrick Sylvia you're just in fucken denial
In my humble eyes, the problem happens to be when a show soul is shifted to reach new audiences, losing in the way what made it great in the first place. If your favourite show gets too popular, panic.
Nothing will happen with Star Wars. They’ll write it, will smash box office records. People will complain. Rinse. Repeat.
i really wish this won't happen, but it's probably what's going to happen...
TLJ made 700 million less than TFA. Solo flopped.
Excellent commentary. It is spot on.
I work at Amazo and a ton of people have been cancelling their HBO subs...
The only reason I haven't is because I want to watch Chernobyl. I was 16 when that happened and it's an amazing show. After that, I'm out
Marvelous description of what was absolutely horrendous. At last I can laugh at least a bit, while I wait forever for George. Thank you so much.
And frankly who cares what they do to Star Wars? That franchise has already been nuked by Ruin Johnson and JJ Abrams; D&D will just make the rubble bounce.
You gave an excellent analysis on what went down with GOT. Thanks for all your hard work.
i guess, in the Future you don't get Blacklisted, you Blacklist yourself -- these writers are burning the investors cash right before their eyes.
Benioff & Weiss have become the most hated showrunners in history due to their selfishness after what has happened, considering how universally loved they were prior to this rush of an ending. And it is NOT that the story is bad, it's just the way it came about through a rush to end it, so I ABSOLUTELY agree with showing Dany's decline into narcissism and paranoia more obviously over a period of time, instead of with a single episode (yeah yah, we have seen hints of it in the past, but nothing so drastic).
When the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men" makes a youtube video about how bad season 8 is, that is cause for serious concern.
superdoonz1
Is he going to write a new script on the basis of coin flips?
The Media are backing the criticism because one of their precious feminist icons got ruined - had Dany been a man they would be giving GoT fans the same treatment as Star Wars fans.
That is such BS.
I think it would be more interesting if John Snow became mad instead of Daenerys. After all he is a Targaryen.
Instead they turned him into the Targaryen family's idiot.
that sounds like an M.Night Shamamalan twist... get out.
Can you please put the background music credits in the description? Thank you.
Dumb and Dumber should be fired from Star Wars and not allowed anywhere near another TV series. They should then be banished up North beyond the Wall and not allowed to marry or have children or be involved with any other media project.
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