Rob, your TH-cam videos are the only ones I keep watching over and over again. And every time, I gained deeper understanding of a good swing! Now am focusing on “square” and “compress” the ball with iron; and stopping raising my body during back swing on driver. And so happy to see many parts coming together, and am very grateful for your videos and coaching 👍
Doesn't this make a lot of sense. At least let's give it a try. Robs previous video helped very much, and this could do the same. I never get tired of the instruction. It just frustrates me that it has taken so long to get to grips with a decent swing that I am now more confident with. I think that sticking with Rob is the best thing any of us could do if we want to play well. Thank you.
This was probably one of the first things my instructor got me to work on when I first started into S&T. Right after fixing my hip turn I was introduced to this.
Dang, Rob! You've been watching hit balls; it's been the same struggle of inconsistent contact for a couple of years now. I'm looking forward to trying this!
You amaze me with your plethora of swing feels. I am only 3 weeks into this system but I previously played with Jimmy Ballard and Gravity Golf swings. I find this interesting because I “have” been instructed to use a closed stance and I AM sliding my hips to target on every shot to get that side tilt. I’m going to try this Rob because of your explanation. I think as long as I don’t sway to right on backswing, and let right shoulder move down, out and around it’ll change my downswing motion a bit by not sliding hips toward target first, too much, but it’s worth a try on range today!
I implemented this last month into my speed training without knowing what it was called. I was just trying to fix my slice with driver. I can attest that it made my drives super straight and increased my speed and distance tremendously.
As a 72 year-old, lack of flexibility has become a major issue. Pulling my trail foot back and flaring it out has done wonders for my hip turn, and as a result, lengthened my swing. I use this stance with all clubs on full swings. The right shoulder concept/thought presented in this video is new to me and I think is brilliant and should improve my contact and follow through. I’ll keep coming back to this repeatedly for reinforcement. I can’t think of a better video anywhere that will help those of us who are seniors. Thank you, Rob, for everything you present on your channel.
totally brillliantl Rob. Back into golf after a long lay off and been searching endlessly for a simplified , well explained,version of the swing that I could practice and play with. You've finally provided it mate. Thank you so much. I'm using this all season now..
Love this Video and something I’m definitely going to try. I have a tendency to overextend at times. Sometimes when I am swinging well my right foot does slip backward during the down swing so this should really help me. Thanks Rob
I’m intrigued by how different this is than the prevalent emphasis on hip turn. I am starting to understand that my stance and shoulders should play the important role of taming my hip turn to improve consistency.
In one video you describe all of my current swing faults and how to fix them. Your driver video was wonderful, this one adds to that one for a perfect combo. Going to the range this week to practice this drill. It's going to make a incredible difference. Keep all the great videos coming! You are really helping me.
Another fabulous drill instructional video demonstration that covers the golfer’s permitted fix! I’ve been using the water bottle and the bowling drill it’s changed my long game if I miss hit I got chance to get up&down now if I’ve only get few putts to fall😂
The last couple of years I had a very closed stance as you demonstrated. This year I made it less extreme but still closed & concentrated more on keeping my weight forward. Then I started to focus on keeping my left shoulder under my chin & having a slight pause at the top so I don't rush the downswing & early extend. The results this year have been stupendous. Your instruction has helped a lot Rob!
Rob, your videos are always very well done and quite informative. And seem to hit me quite often as this one does. I need to get you some videos. I’m playing very well, shooting my age often, but my bad shots are a power shot dead straight but right, or a little low snapper to the left which seems to be a result of the hips being ahead of the shoulders. I know my path is too much from the inside. Thanks again for your work!
You add a little of the wrench and it fixes so many things. Low point so much more accurate. Direction more consistent. Arm straight is also much easier. Finally contact feels like butter. I have lost 4 or 5 yards on the irons but I may never swing any other way again.
Great question I’ve also pondered. For me, dropping the trail foot back in the transition/downswingit reminds me to keep the trail hip back and not thrust it at the ball-target line as in my longstanding over-the-top move. I try to use this on the tee box for my longer clubs. Certainly in my pre-shot swing. Also the longer the club the more I drop my trail foot at setup. So in essence I need both moves to help me.
Rob, I would love a short video on just setting up the grid that you have in all your videos specifically with alignment sticks. I've tried to find this in your videos and others and don't know if I'm laying sticks far enough apart or at the right angles. Any help on this would be awesome.
i'm also right eye dominant. so it seems anything i do with one hand is with the left hand but anything i do with two hands like golf, hockey, baseball or shoot a rifle is right handed. how about you guys?
just back from a range session trying this - both just setting up with the right foot pulled back and also physically pushing the right foot backwards in the downswing/impact. Immediate improvement in strike, start line, reduced curve and certainly as a systemic "overdraw" sufferer it removed that - another bonus is that it removed my side bend tendency and even after 100 balls, I was having no issue with the back/hip problem that plagues me . What I did notice was that ball flight was also a lot higher than is normal for me, but distance was down, not too concerned as it was range balls and into wind - the only query I have is that Ive been working on applying more of a front posting move and with the feeling of sliding the trail foot back in the downswing I was struggling to exert the vertical force as previously. Is that to be expected or just teething troubles?
On the follow through, when you mention that the right arm should be in line with the grid line, are you consciously using or making your right arm come in like that, or should the left arm pull allow that to occur. I can't seem to get my arms to finish low and to the left. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Hi rob.. I am trying to change my swing to S&T. But 1 problem that I still face is block to the right or push shot.. really appreciated if you can make a video on this..
Hey Rob, I’ve been working with your friend and colleague Billy Irvine over at Leatherhead last few weeks and this is the exact flaw I have in my swing. We’ve been working on the bowler drill and it’s done wonders to my ball striking. Great video and a lovely reminder for me to keep doing this 👍
(Larry San Diego) love your S&T instructional content and hope to schedule a video lesson in the near future. Where could i purchase the swing path grid for my own practice and how many would i need? Thanks
Hi Larry. It's called the TEE CLAW and you can purchase from their website with 30% discount if you use code "SNT30". You'd need a minimum of 6 strings and 8 of the tee claws.
I notice that Scottie S sets up square than pulls trail foot back on the downswing like a bowler. Do you advocate practicing this bowler move in this way as well? Larry Z
If you look at pro bowlers who roll the ball classically, you will see them reach the ball above their shoulders on the take back and finish with their arm at or below the shoulder line at the release. Very similar to the golf swing
I wonder how this position at address works together with the principle of arm separation and pulling down at transition. Won’t this cause a swing path far towards the right?
Thanks man. I'm a right hand dominant golfer who plays left. Started in 2020. 30 Years old. High club head speed and good distance but fade-slice is a constant problem. I am really debating switching to right handed. But this drill and stack and tilt make my swing feel less akward for sure.
Thanks for the great video Rob. Can you please comment on what we need to be aware of when applying this to driver (especially the low left exit you describe on the finish). Thanks.
That “feel” could certainly help. As to whether or not you’re actually doing what you think you’re doing, you’d need to film yourself and check the video to verify.
I get critizied by friends and familiy for not having both feet in line. I like to leave my right foot abit back to have more room for my arms, but if the ball goes right they instantly say I was aiming there.
The reason bowlers do it is to offset the weight of the 15-16lb ball handing down off the other side. Not saying it isn’t good with golf because I use it within my instruction but the relationship to bowling isn’t right. Two different purposes.
I was explaining where the name of the drill comes from, not that it was for the same reasons. The video lays out the benefits to golf which I'm sure you're aware of.
Rob, your TH-cam videos are the only ones I keep watching over and over again. And every time, I gained deeper understanding of a good swing! Now am focusing on “square” and “compress” the ball with iron; and stopping raising my body during back swing on driver. And so happy to see many parts coming together, and am very grateful for your videos and coaching 👍
Thank you, Bill. I appreciate your support and I’m happy the videos are helping you. I hope you are doing well 🙏🏻
Just tried it on the range. This is now my go-to drill , it has corrected all my faults in one go. Thanks a million Rob.
Awesome! 👍🏻
Update,l won a club competition on the very 1st attempt at using the bowler swing l'm over the moon ,thanks Rob.
@@gerx18 incredible!!! 🤩🏆
I love your method of instruction…you clearly have the heart of a teacher!
Doesn't this make a lot of sense. At least let's give it a try. Robs previous video helped very much, and this could do the same. I never get tired of the instruction. It just frustrates me that it has taken so long to get to grips with a decent swing that I am now more confident with. I think that sticking with Rob is the best thing any of us could do if we want to play well. Thank you.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Another golden nugget from Rob thank you
Thank you! 🙏🏻
This was probably one of the first things my instructor got me to work on when I first started into S&T. Right after fixing my hip turn I was introduced to this.
It’s a great drill! 👍🏻
Dang, Rob! You've been watching hit balls; it's been the same struggle of inconsistent contact for a couple of years now. I'm looking forward to trying this!
Hope it helps you!
You amaze me with your plethora of swing feels. I am only 3 weeks into this system but I previously played with Jimmy Ballard and Gravity Golf swings. I find this interesting because I “have” been instructed to use a closed stance and I AM sliding my hips to target on every shot to get that side tilt. I’m going to try this Rob because of your explanation. I think as long as I don’t sway to right on backswing, and let right shoulder move down, out and around it’ll change my downswing motion a bit by not sliding hips toward target first, too much, but it’s worth a try on range today!
Hope it helps you!!!
I just did this at the range. I was striping almost every ball perfectly straight. Wow. It makes me want to play like this on the course.
You should!!! 🎳
I implemented this last month into my speed training without knowing what it was called. I was just trying to fix my slice with driver. I can attest that it made my drives super straight and increased my speed and distance tremendously.
That’s awesome, Billy! 💪🏻
As a 72 year-old, lack of flexibility has become a major issue. Pulling my trail foot back and flaring it out has done wonders for my hip turn, and as a result, lengthened my swing. I use this stance with all clubs on full swings. The right shoulder concept/thought presented in this video is new to me and I think is brilliant and should improve my contact and follow through. I’ll keep coming back to this repeatedly for reinforcement. I can’t think of a better video anywhere that will help those of us who are seniors. Thank you, Rob, for everything you present on your channel.
I can’t wait to try this. This directly addresses all of the negative parts I’ve seen in my swing.
That’s great! Hope it helps you! 🙏🏻
Nice one again Rob shows all my swing faults 😮
Hopefully not too many, Bob! 🙏🏻
totally brillliantl Rob. Back into golf after a long lay off and been searching endlessly for a simplified , well explained,version of the swing that I could practice and play with. You've finally provided it mate. Thank you so much. I'm using this all season now..
Great to hear!
Love this Video and something I’m definitely going to try. I have a tendency to overextend at times. Sometimes when I am swinging well my right foot does slip backward during the down swing so this should really help me. Thanks Rob
Thanks Rob! Off to the range..>>>>>>then to the course..........
I’m intrigued by how different this is than the prevalent emphasis on hip turn. I am starting to understand that my stance and shoulders should play the important role of taming my hip turn to improve consistency.
Yes, there is certainly an overall emphasis on HIP TURN within the golf teaching industry which is leading golfers down a bad path in my opinion.
Mate. I think you’ve just saved my golf game
Sounds good! 👍
In one video you describe all of my current swing faults and how to fix them. Your driver video was wonderful, this one adds to that one for a perfect combo. Going to the range this week to practice this drill. It's going to make a incredible difference. Keep all the great videos coming! You are really helping me.
Thanks for the support! Glad you’re enjoying the videos 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I have been using this on the course with success especially with the drive. I keep reviewing the video and learning more nuggets. Thanks immensely.
Great to hear, Randy!
Another fabulous drill instructional video demonstration that covers the golfer’s permitted fix! I’ve been using the water bottle and the bowling drill it’s changed my long game if I miss hit I got chance to get up&down now if I’ve only get few putts to fall😂
So happy to hear the videos are helping you!
Thanks Rob! Another good video!
Thanks for watching!
This is phenomenal! I am 6’3” and have found this drill to correct a few flaws. Weight shift is better and I no longer get stuck!
That’s awesome! Keep on bowling! 🎳
The last couple of years I had a very closed stance as you demonstrated. This year I made it less extreme but still closed & concentrated more on keeping my weight forward. Then I started to focus on keeping my left shoulder under my chin & having a slight pause at the top so I don't rush the downswing & early extend. The results this year have been stupendous. Your instruction has helped a lot Rob!
That’s great to hear!!! 👍🏻
Thanks. Good video lesson.
Glad you liked it!
This drill allows you to keep your shoulders down, wow, love it.
Yes it does! 👍🏻
great video Rob!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Will definitely give this a try and I truly appreciate your personal experience explanations as well.
Rob, your videos are always very well done and quite informative. And seem to hit me quite often as this one does. I need to get you some videos. I’m playing very well, shooting my age often, but my bad shots are a power shot dead straight but right, or a little low snapper to the left which seems to be a result of the hips being ahead of the shoulders. I know my path is too much from the inside. Thanks again for your work!
Thanks, Tripp. This is a good one for you, for sure! Happy to take another look at your swing when you’re ready 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You add a little of the wrench and it fixes so many things. Low point so much more accurate. Direction more consistent. Arm straight is also much easier. Finally contact feels like butter. I have lost 4 or 5 yards on the irons but I may never swing any other way again.
Yes, Tim! This is THE way to play golf! 🎳
Lightbulb moment here for me watching this, this is me all day long,thx for sharing. Range for me tonight 😂
Rob -great video, I've never really understood how to achieve the proper finish. Can you tell me what the low exit benefit is, please?
Great question I’ve also pondered. For me, dropping the trail foot back in the transition/downswingit reminds me to keep the trail hip back and not thrust it at the ball-target line as in my longstanding over-the-top move. I try to use this on the tee box for my longer clubs. Certainly in my pre-shot swing. Also the longer the club the more I drop my trail foot at setup. So in essence I need both moves to help me.
hi rob thanks for the great instrution ,am i right in saying you tuck your hips toward the target more than towards the ball , many thanks
Rob, I would love a short video on just setting up the grid that you have in all your videos specifically with alignment sticks. I've tried to find this in your videos and others and don't know if I'm laying sticks far enough apart or at the right angles. Any help on this would be awesome.
I second this 👌
Nick Taylor has a video on hwlow to setup the grid
i bowl but left handed and golf right handed but i can see how this action would help me, thnx.
Glad I’m not the only one!
Same as me! 🙌🏻
i'm also right eye dominant. so it seems anything i do with one hand is with the left hand but anything i do with two hands like golf, hockey, baseball or shoot a rifle is right handed. how about you guys?
just back from a range session trying this - both just setting up with the right foot pulled back and also physically pushing the right foot backwards in the downswing/impact. Immediate improvement in strike, start line, reduced curve and certainly as a systemic "overdraw" sufferer it removed that - another bonus is that it removed my side bend tendency and even after 100 balls, I was having no issue with the back/hip problem that plagues me . What I did notice was that ball flight was also a lot higher than is normal for me, but distance was down, not too concerned as it was range balls and into wind - the only query I have is that Ive been working on applying more of a front posting move and with the feeling of sliding the trail foot back in the downswing I was struggling to exert the vertical force as previously. Is that to be expected or just teething troubles?
On the follow through, when you mention that the right arm should be in line with the grid line, are you consciously using or making your right arm come in like that, or should the left arm pull allow that to occur. I can't seem to get my arms to finish low and to the left. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Have you seen the latest video on the Umbrella Drill which discusses this furhter? th-cam.com/video/mAGwyKYXtbo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SueLAWkaCFpp1J-5
Thanks for another great video! Do you ever combine this with the hit-hard/stop-quick drill?
Yes, sometimes. Especially when trying to help a player move their low-point more forwards.
In an earlier lesson you suggested that we preset the hips forward. Can we do that and still do the bowler drill?? Ed
Yes, absolutely 👍🏻
Hi rob.. I am trying to change my swing to S&T.
But 1 problem that I still face is block to the right or push shot.. really appreciated if you can make a video on this..
This is that video. Do The Bowler to eliminate the block/push.
Hey Rob, I’ve been working with your friend and colleague Billy Irvine over at Leatherhead last few weeks and this is the exact flaw I have in my swing. We’ve been working on the bowler drill and it’s done wonders to my ball striking. Great video and a lovely reminder for me to keep doing this 👍
(Larry San Diego) love your S&T instructional content and hope to schedule a video lesson in the near future. Where could i purchase the swing path grid for my own practice and how many would i need? Thanks
Hi Larry. It's called the TEE CLAW and you can purchase from their website with 30% discount if you use code "SNT30". You'd need a minimum of 6 strings and 8 of the tee claws.
@@robcheneygolf1 Thank You!
We have teaching pro in our area, Lou Guzzi who teaches the right foot back bowler drill. I do it and it works.
What do you think Rob? Thanks for your continued excellent S&T tutorials.
I notice that Scottie S sets up square than pulls trail foot back on the downswing like a bowler. Do you advocate practicing this bowler move in this way as well? Larry Z
Yes, Larry. It can work this way as well. 👍🏻
If you look at pro bowlers who roll the ball classically, you will see them reach the ball above their shoulders on the take back and finish with their arm at or below the shoulder line at the release. Very similar to the golf swing
Great observation! 👍🏻
Saludos Master!!
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Rob, if you actually play this way on the course, is the ball in the middle of the stance?
Can you use this with all clubs?
Yes, absolutely 👍🏻
I wonder how this position at address works together with the principle of arm separation and pulling down at transition. Won’t this cause a swing path far towards the right?
Yes, if performed incorrectly it could do. But not if you do the drill as prescribed with the upper body turning past the lower body.
Thanks man. I'm a right hand dominant golfer who plays left. Started in 2020. 30 Years old. High club head speed and good distance but fade-slice is a constant problem. I am really debating switching to right handed. But this drill and stack and tilt make my swing feel less akward for sure.
I’m a lefty, playing rightly. It can definitely work. Hope the videos can provide you with some help on how to lose that slice! 🙏🏻
@@robcheneygolf1 That's very interesting Rob. You have an unreal swing that I do my best emulate. I will dial it in. Excellent work! Cheers boss.
Thanks for the great video Rob. Can you please comment on what we need to be aware of when applying this to driver (especially the low left exit you describe on the finish). Thanks.
What is the difference with closed stance?
It’s explained in the video 🎳
Ala Greg Norman!
I wanted the clarify. I try to drop the foot back back an inch in the downswing. Whether I do or not and it is just “feel versus real” I’m not sure.
What do you think Rob? Thanks again for all your excellent S&T tutorials.
That “feel” could certainly help. As to whether or not you’re actually doing what you think you’re doing, you’d need to film yourself and check the video to verify.
Thanks for watching! 💪🏻
Is your clubface square to the target with this stance?
Yes
I get critizied by friends and familiy for not having both feet in line. I like to leave my right foot abit back to have more room for my arms, but if the ball goes right they instantly say I was aiming there.
Or, just internally rotate the trail femure and avoid banking the trail ankle, keeping the inside ankle bone high.
Like Cricket ?
The reason bowlers do it is to offset the weight of the 15-16lb ball handing down off the other side.
Not saying it isn’t good with golf because I use it within my instruction but the relationship to bowling isn’t right. Two different purposes.
I was explaining where the name of the drill comes from, not that it was for the same reasons. The video lays out the benefits to golf which I'm sure you're aware of.
Golf is hard. Takes too long to get improvement