40 Facts and Lore on the Death of the Tyranids in Warhammer 40K How to Beat the Tyranids
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The Necrons actually have a good reason to unite against the Tyranids, if they want to return to flesh and blood bodies then they need to stop the Tyranids from devouring everyone. Also the weapons of the Necrons are quite effective against the Tyranids because they can destroy biomass.
I agree. The Tyranids ARE a direct threat to their desires of empire and domination? Same with Chaos or all factions really.
Oof, imagine the Witness has entered the fight with the entire armada. Bet even the warp is afraid it's darkness
read about hive fleet kronos . not all hive fleets need biomass . the day the tyranids will create a specialised anti necro fleet the necrons will lose advantage just like how kronos is a chaos hunter and still undefeated by chaos . kronos even ignored once a whole imperial fleet and only destroyed the chaos fleet because it was made for defeating an enemy . you all think tyranids are just about eating but you forget the likes of kronos tiamat and hydra .tiamat and hydra especially do not care about gathering biomass .
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Going on the control method, the Tau could potentially create nano-machines to get into a Tyranid bioform's brain and sever the synaptic link or turn them into a remote control Tyranids.
now u got a single bioform controled, congrats
this would not work, nanobots are metal patogens and the nids would quickly solve this
I can see this for a few nids, like one or two fleets used as front line troops to reduce Tau casualties. But it probably won't happen on such a large scale
Won't work ?
will fail because the nids will adapt to it similar to how the nids would adapt to nurgle's infections
Didn't they try doing something like that in starcraft
It is canon thought that the astronomicon did not lure the Tyrranids in, even because of it's own range (it doesn't reach outside the galaxy). In fact, they were unintentionally attracted by warsmith Dantioch (who was a ridiculously badass loyalist iron warrior from the heresy BTW), after he overloaded a Necron artifact made out of Blackstone known as the pharos to prevent it from being used by the night lords for better communication and FTL travel.
The pharos made the Tyranids come
The astronomicon lure the hive once they're in the galaxy
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Games Workshop would never get rid of a faction.
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I don't think the web way or the warp would even be able to contain them, the sheer presence of one hive fleet is enough to generate an anomaly in the warp. Imagine if you stuffed ALL the Nids into it, they would probably tear the warp apart from the inside, and since the web way is a sectioned off part of the warp it'd likely suffer a worse fate than that.
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The immatrium could only grab a tendril or 2. Hydra situation: "yay, we killed the beast! Wait, why is it still moving..."
This is the first time that I have heard the Imperium be derided for having *too much* empathy.
i think that it would have to be a massively complex plan involving utilizing multiple factions and resources to take out the nids. The chaos forces don't have to be in on it they just get used -also the orks could also be used to assist as they can hold the nids while i would suggest getting the humans the tau eldar and the necrons to work together to build a lure and build multiple black stone monoliths all over the known worlds this way you not only shut off all the portals including the eye of terror and trap them all inside you also get a lot of orks and chaos forces killed off. one or more of the 40k races need to just bit the bullet and accept the other and those 4 are the least likely to just kill because its fun-or they are hungry
Exactly. All factions are threatened in one way or another from the Tyranids desire to turn the Galaxy into dead balls of rock? Even if they dont stand shoulder to shoulder they would attack the distracted tyranids just because....?
Id love to see.the efforts of the guy who manages to get the robo bouz and the aeldari to work together
@@celsetialarchives5909 all beings in the universe are threatened and while they may be massive jerks to each other when you have a blade to your neck your priorities change quickly and the tyranids are that blade. its a question of just getting everyone to stop shooting for a minute to talk it out, probably while everyone is reloading
If the size of the tyranid swarm isn't exaggerated in any way, the plan to lock them in the warp or somewhere else simply won't work. Presumably you could get them to go there but just because of the sheer amount of space the swarm spans the tyranids would crush the life out of the rest of the galaxy on the way in because it's not going to be one single file line, no most likely it'll become a giant death ball around the entrance with the tyranids snacking on every planet on their in.
They'll be nothing left to lock them in, well maybe the Necrons but at that point it'll just be them and only if they can keep their shit from being destroyed.
With not only their ridiculous numbers but also their incredible adaptability it makes it hard to make any one plan that will work. Perhaps take a few genestealers sacrifice a couple planets and study the genestealer cults ability to draw in tyranids, then try replicate that signal in the hearts of stars all across the milkyway.
The only way for the galaxy to survive is for them to make a relative peace between the factions and for them to co-operate, OR, humanity starts a new golden age of technology where they give up this tech heracy business and get started on rebuilding rather than rediscovering their lost greatness. They once posessed the power that would literally obliterate fleets of Tyranids at a time and they lost it entirely.
I like your idea. Humanity has to find a working STC, or a advanced ai that is not hostile towards humanity, or just start innovating again. Something has to give or the galaxy in 40k is doomed ^^.
The only alternate theory I can think of that wasn't addressed is a mechanical/nanobot based artificial hive fleet that operates on the same self replicating principles. Presumably this could be AI based and while that presents corruption problems from Chaos, maybe something like that if created by say the leagues of Voltan would make a sufficient enemy for the tyranids, because it's the same idea, another competitor for resources, but in this case instead of bio mass, it's machines converting biomass into more machines. I'm think of that swarm of nanobots from the movie "The day the earth stood still". It would consume everything from biomass to minerals and metals, basically just a hungrier version of the tyranids, also it's far smaller, like any individual is vastly smaller than a fly, so it's much harder to fight. It's literally just a mist of nanobot death. Good luck tyranids.
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The warp is the mirror of the material universe.
Pretty dim to say it only exists in the Milky Way galaxy.
You'd have to get out of the galaxy in beat the Tyranids. Because you have to destroy the Overmind
For the incarceration, Roboute should try to sit with Szareck and talk a lot, sign a temporary truce with him and help him gain control over some of the biggest Necron factions and awaken big tomb worlds but thats not something that will ever happen for multiple reasons.
In terms of chaos I would point out that we have never actually seen the Chaos Gods try to attack the Tyranids before, it has always been a coincidental meeting. An intentional Chaos incursion lead by Daemons specifically tasked by their god to bring a hive fleet to heel might play out very differently to the random encounters we have thus far seen. As daemons don't give bio matter to the Nids any action by Chaos against them is notable and a net win for humanity whether or not its successful.
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In the first contact it was a detonated warp core that did the nids in. Start hunting norn queens with warp core torpedoes ;)
Honestly, the only real viable one _is_ the Webway version.
According to the 8th Edition Tyranid manual, the Shadow in the Warp is powerful enough to seal Warp Rifts.
So, _theoretically,_ if the bulk of the Tyranid hivemind is lured into the Great Rift, the presence of the Hivemind could seal the Rift before they move into it.
Question could you not infect one swarm to also view other swarms as priority food not instantly during the whole swarm but slowly having the genetic manipulation through out a singular swarm and once that swarm fought the other the genetic material would get recycled into the other swarm stock there by causing another swarm to see other nids as food and do on snd so fourth not controlling them but redirecting them
An alliance between Necrons, Imperium, and Tau would be plausible, these are the only factions that I could see being reseasonable enough to pull this off. Maybe Orcs too. Eventually these guys have to get tired of thousands of years of conflict. Chaos is too slippery tho... and they have no reason to want to help the wider galaxy.
I like the incarceration tactic ... you could do it on a smaller scale, too. It's using the Tyranid's hunger against them.
Let's say the Imperium builds a firewall around a tendril ... a zone of planets equipped with Exterminatus level virus bombs ... and one guy who's job is to push a button every thirty minutes. Obviously I'm joking ... my point is, a zone with fail safes so that even if they Tyranids defeat a planet, they get nothing. Start with a large outlying zone and then encourage them to turn back, to feast on planets overlooked in the initial advance. Given the instinctive drives of the swarm, it might be some time before the level of abstract thought needed to examine the situation tactically. Might be too late, with the tendril weak, hungry and a long way from any viable targets. They can't evolve away from hunger, I think. Not if they want to remain Tyranids.
Like a scorched earth style tactic, I like it. The only issue is the pesky genestealer cults that are hiding all over the galaxy, they will always attract the nids even if they have to travel through dead planets and firewalls. But I like the idea, I need to sit with it for a bit more. Thanks
@@OneMindSyndicate Spoof the signal. I mean, I get that's a non-trivial endeavor. But heck, you've just exposed another Tyranid vulnerability: genestealer psychic spoor influences their movement.
And I know how many lives were lost the last time a human (the Inquisitor whoshisface) tried to pull this shit. But to stymie the nid's, well ... it's not like personnel shortages is a limiting factor.
One additional layer to this is to add a disrupting effect to their synapse link. Without the synapse link, the severed forces tend to fight in a much less effective and disorganized manner. This could be through the use of Blanks/Pariahs/Gellar Fields/Blackstone Spires/ect.. The more confused they are the more forces you can defeat and the more they waste reinforcing the attack. The general bleeding tactic you describe is already at least partially in use now. Figuring out how to sever/scramble the synapse link between forces would allow you to keep them from learning from the experiences. As for the issues with Genestealer cults, you might consider letting the Mechanicus collect a few thousand of their heads to work into an artificially maintained beacon.
@@williamasher5253 Sure, and those anchors exist on several different level. You create some kind of an auspex hack that detects Synapse link activity ... you've just changed the battlefield. Or Void War theater.
Could just mass driver a planet when they are on it, hard for them to eat in space. Could drive them to starvation like that and it would be comparatively easy.
OK, where from is the picture found at 4:55!?
If they'd never forsake a race, wheres the squats!?
All factions need to cooperate, basically.
they are suposed to be more like a natural disaster so you can't acually beat them.
easy, like all bugs, they use smell and in this case Psychic abilities to denote "i'm safe dont attack or eat". So all we need to do is jam this commuication ability and they'll kill and eate one another
as a boy i would spray ants with perfume and watch them kill one another.
The only option in my opinion is for the ascended God Emperor to use his immense psychic might to simply destroy the hive mind . When alive his psychic powers were the most for any living being but after attaining Godhood he would be the most powerful psychic being.
The whole collective hive mind is comparable to emperor or one of chaos gods. They don’t have a god because said god would be the hive mind so a giant massive bug god. Also because I don’t think the hive have the concept of a god. Not counting gene Stealer awww fuck. Y
Imagine it as death fight. Yeah you kill your opponent but another opponent like the squid or slannesh then attacks you when your weakened.
They are more likely to simply move out of the Galaxy to the next one
After consuming everything
@@OneMindSyndicate I do not think that they will. Be tot successful, granted they will do massive damage but I don't think they will try to exterminate the works as the pay off is not worth the price of a not guaranteed win the elder will simply avoid them and humans are harder to exterminate than cockroaches. No in the end they will follow their instincts and go for easier prey in the next galaxy
I'm not sure how entrapment would ever work considering the massive size of the fleet. You might be able to entrap some of the tendrils but why would they all ever gather in one focal point even with the beacon? There's also the problem that the Nids only seem to need biomass to grow, not to sustain themselves. The sheer absurd amount of time they would need to survive between galaxies alludes to this. Ultimately I see only two potential options.
A) Grey Goo. One of the technologically adept races of the galaxy creates self replicating nanites designed specifically to consume Tyranid biomass. The Nids can adapt to viruses and such but even their DNA must have a common markers for said nanites to target. This would probably be the best fix. But whatever race could perfect such a weapon could dominate every other species so it's probably boring lore wise.
B) Bunker up. The Nids consume and move on, that don't colonize. Instead of using the warp/webway as a trap use it to hide instead. The Nids seem to show little interest in either. Any species that could produce generational ships would have a shot at surviving until the wave consumes the galaxies biomass and moves on. At this point they could attempt to reseed the galaxy and rebuild. Given the time warping effects of the warp this might not even be too much of a stretch.
Ultimately I could actually see GW using something similar to the bunker plan if they ever wanted to pull another AOS and reset the universe.
IF the Emperium would build long range assault torpedos in large quantities... this would do the trick also .
I don't think the incarceration theory would would work since more tyranids are probably outside of the milky way.
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Tyranids destroyed the Orks in Octarius
Incarceration wouldnt work, Tyranids woukd go dormant and wait to breleased by accident
We know they can survive without biomass indefinitely, since they travel the void between galaxies for perhaps billions of years without biomass
What's the best way to beat "the great devourer"? don't feed it, kill them in space.
In reality though, its all fluff and GW doesn't respect their fluff for shit so the best way to beat the tyranids is to wait on some writer to discover their super weakness and retcon it in. I mean the fucking tau beat back a advance
Is it fire? I suspect that it's fire, or at least utilizing a sun's rays in a certain way.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
My solution to the Tyranids I do not believe would be possible due to the extremely backward technology of most of the factions. Possibly the Tau, the Necrons or the Eldar could do it,
Nanotechnology.
Create nanobots that recognize Tyranid flesh and bone and rip it apart to build more of themselves.
Two problems with this. First, at this level of existence the line between biological and technological is kinda blurry. So the Tyranids might adapt to it, or worse, incorporate it.
Second, the laws of evolution apply. Some of those nanobots are likely to mutate, for lack of a better word. They might find other things they could desonctruct. Which would be bad for all the other living things in the Galaxy. Maybe even for the Necrons.
Personally, if I was living in the 40K Universe I'd be organizing an evacuation of the Milky Way, As currently envisaged the Tyranids are unstoppable.
Gersh one hive mind!!!! Lmao
Give the hive fleet some McDonald’s sprite
Deteriorated stick around all the factions will be gone
I thought the necrons would have the best chance at defeating the nids..... especially since the Necron arsenal and technology counteracts the Tyranids in every way.
Necrons don’t rely on the psychers/the warp so the shadow is useless, their “gauss” molecular dissipation weapons can melt away swarms. Their high resistance to physical trauma along with damage regeneration and body reconstitution means that the Necrons can at best just shrug off most tyranid attacks, and at worst straight up rob the tyranids of any bodies to consume, if they are even able to down a necron.
Even their spore attacks emitting poisonous gasses fail, as the necrons dont need to breath. They could just rush a hive ship, punch a hole into it and run straight up to the Hive Mommy and put her down.
Problem with that theory, Necron don't like each others and there is billions upon billions of Nids?
The other problem is that reasons for the Necrons to attack the Tyranids is almost as thin as the reasons for the Tyranids to attack them.
Until of course we gain access to an STC
Their weapons literally change the molecular structure and destroy it making it so tyrannids cannot regenerate on their dead. Additionally when neurons are defeated or “defeated” they explode so even if the tyrannids thought of trying to eat the necrodermis they couldn’t
Also killing the “nid mom” starts up the hydra cycle making more norn queens
I had an idea for a viral solution... But it works based on a different principle; it simply makes infected Nids always see other hives as potential enemies. Reasons this could work when other viruses fail, is that it doesn't harm the infected with anything that requires adaptation, or would even be necessarily noticable. Also, the survivors/victors would be the ones to keep/spread it the disease.
They could even continue to be susceptible to the psychic commands of the 'enemy' Nids, or the greater Hive, still responding to "Kill them all!" etc, even if they didn't know where it was coming from.
... other 'hives', as in Hive Fleets? Then it wouldn't do much of anything, since hive fleets already engage in mutual cannibalism; the strongest feeds, the weakest get eaten, and Tyranids as a whole are strengthened in the process because all of the biomass is recycled.
Even if it makes them kill one another, it has been established with the lore of the Ymgarl Genestealers that the Hive Mind can avoid incorporating potentially detrimental traits.
And that is IF the virus can acruelly override the Hive Minds control, which seems unlikely.
There's already Tyranid infighting.
Nids already fight each other whenever they meet. The stronger fleet destroys the weaker one, but the nids as a whole if anything get stronger because no biomass is lost and the biomass is in the hands of a more competent fleet.
I've got a theory : what if the nids were trying to consume the emperor, following his trail from the astronomicon ? Eating him would give them the "missing link" to get the ability to be able to feed from the immaterium, since the emperor is physical (and edible) but also the equivalent of a godlike warp entity...
It's reminding me of the apocalypse, 12 : "And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule[a] all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days."
Wouldn't it be cool that the nids would be the dragon, humanity the woman, and the soon to be birthed child the "star-child", the true god emperor born again from the warp ?
So, the devourer would be defeated simply by resisting long enough to allow the emperor to rise from his throne and be born as the star-child, causing the hive mind to retreat in fear...
Do you mean Revelation? As in the Bible?
@@fullovstars9447 yup
Luring the Tyranids into the webway sounds ridiculously dangerous to me. Even if that section is cordoned off, there is still a chance that the Tyranids could find their way into the greater webway and back out of a portal themselves. Thereby bringing everything back to square one.
Plus the effect of the "Shadow of the Warp" risks spreading through the webway, possibly making it inert and unusable.
they would also eat all the drukhari and become even stronger.
Or instead of trapping them they just start pouring out of every web way portal in the galaxy
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There are ways to fight the Tyranids already, it's just that GW writers never bother to read the lore. For example, Blanks and Pariahs can disconnect Tyranids warforms from the Hive Mind. Also, Geller fields and Reality bombs would work in a similar way. Culexus Clade might have even better tools for this.
There are also dimensional tesseracts, such as the one Trazyn uses to keep a Hive Fleet prisoner on his desk. The dimensional volume can range from small building-sized internal space, to planetary or solar system size, and even more for a Tesseract Vault like the ones used to imprison the C'tan. The Necrons have many more advanced tools in their inventory, but they probably forgot about them, along with GW writers.
As for the Warp as a prison theory, there are numerous instances in the lore where Tyranid fleets enter a Warp portal and appear someplace else in the galaxy, yet not really affected by the passage.
The Webway as prison would work for a time, with the risk of further infection into other sections of the Webway. The Eldar are quite famous for screwing things up, for themselves and others, and there are many factions or other races with access to the Webway, including the Orks and the Dark Eldar and even Chaos. Hoping to contain some Hive fleet( or all of them) in the tunnels and nobody poking at the lock in 40k is rather stupid. Of course there would be millions of wanna-be duelists or some insane sorcerers eager to release the Kraken again.
none of what you mentioned has worked Blanks do not effect Tyranids
The original Space Hulk lore often had Tyranids surviving Warp travel?
@@viktorgabriel2554 Blanks temporarily confuse/stun genestealers. This is mentioned in some of the 'Commissar Caphius Cain', hero of the imperium novels. Cain's personal attendant, Gunner Jurgen, is a blank. It's mentioned that this was not a known fact for a long time until Cain' got on first name terms with a female inquisitor, and they kept surviving various Tyranid attacks by seemingly dumb luck.
i think you do the common mistake of failing to realise the size of the tyranids just because necrons or imperium used 1 cool weapon or ability in a 1 micro battle . even all necrons combined there is only small chance they might win . the skaven destroyed the wold in warhammer fantasy , these here are even worse
read about hive fleet kronos . not all hive fleets need biomass . the day the tyranids will create a specialised anti necro fleet the necrons will lose advantage just like how kronos is a chaos hunter and still undefeated by chaos . kronos even ignored once a whole imperial fleet and only destroyed the chaos fleet because it was made for defeating ana enemy . you all think tyranids are just about eating but you forget the likes of kronos tiamat and hydra .tiamat and hydra especially do not care about gathering biomass .
Also in cannon there was a Imperil scientist how discovered a way to kill the whole of the Nids and he is still alive because the Inquisitors are still hunting for him, the guy who figured out how to kill all the Orkz was killed.
Why do the inquisition want him dead?
@@RandomInternetUser-yi5cc Because in the he conducted unauthorized xeno research so the Inquisition labeled him a heretic and to killed on sight.
Didn't the Farsight Enclaves also figure out a way to poison an entire tendril to death from a few scientists they ate?
@@K-yu-ko8dv I have not read a lot about the Tau so that is new too me.
Any chance to link this information?
If the entirety of the Tyranid fleets were to be coaxed into the warp I wonder what effect the shadow would have from within the warp? Also it would take a profound amount of time for the Tyranids to run out of biomass completely given how much they would take in with them.
The Hive is inevitable.
I think if anything the chaos demons would attack the nids even more because of tge shadow in the warp. Remember they aren’t blanks or pariahs they are just evolved a method to shroud themselves from the warp.
And I agree the nids would start to eat eachother but that’s a whole lot of biomass
@@OneMindSyndicate They'd likely ignore them. In fact, this has actually occurred before. A splinter fleet of Hive Fleet Kraken was trapped in the warp (or somehow tricked into entering it) by the seers of Craftworld Iyanden around the same time that the Craftworld came under attack and was almost destroyed by the Hive Fleet. This same splinter fleet reappeared halfway across the galaxy years later, emerging near the imperial-held planet Valedo
@@OneMindSyndicate and then we’d move onto Slaanesh who before could have easily influenced our kind but now that I’d be whole, he’d be straight within my grasp simply because I’ve been reborn in the warp and so he’d be fighting a whole new chaos god, but the advantages I have over him are staggering since I do not simply feast for mere pleasure or pain, I do not fight for glory and blood, I do not seek to die and be reborn over and over again, and I do not force change, I only evolve and take from others the traits that make me the victor and the survivor, I consume instinctively without emotion but intent. Both Nurgle and Slaanesh would be helpless if you gave me all this power to use against them. I’d be free of my prior shackles as they could not comprehend the nature of my essence, surely they could attempt to destroy it, but even then fate is not guaranteed. Khorne would stand by and Tzeentch would become full of himself. Then at that point, it’s only a matter of time until the bladed cog stages an uprising against the mechanicus and obtains an STC to transform our mortal flesh into the vast compounds and elements of every single piece of matter known to the galaxy, and the ability to overhaul each element in our favour. A nano swarm capable of shredding necron pylons to their singular atoms with the aided power of warpcraft
So I have a troubling thought, we know that the tyranids have a connection to the warp since you know, the shadow in the warp. And we know the warp is the way it is from chaos due to the the extreme emotions of sapient creatures during the war in heaven. So if the tyranids begin to outnumber the races of the galaxy would that mean that the warp would shift to match the minds of the tyranids. Basically what I'm saying is, azathoth could be cannon in 40k.
You wouldn't need to fight the star gods if you would all join us.
I kind of see Tyranids as having all their eggs in one basket, when it works it REALLY works but when you find that one weakness they could be beaten relatively easy. The problem is that one weakness is constantly changing as they evolve.
Yea it's a common misconception that all of them continuesly grow stronger, instead they simply evolve to match the situation they are in and simply grow their pool of available genetic options, an army that can adapt their weapons or fighting style ahead of how long it takes for the nids to response and adapt can always be one step ahead of them, the tau are a an example of a faction that can quite easily do that
They lack the numbers and knowledge of the other factions right now however
Disrupt the Tyrinids ability to communicate. That is their real weakness.
the easiest way to get rid of em would be psychicly hiding the whole galaxy or individual places with black stone, mybe like a gigantic sphere hiding the galaxy of future tendrils
The incarceration method seems really plausible. Your videos are quickly becoming some my favorites. Thanks for the entertainment 👍
It doesn't make any sense in my opinion. Why would the tyranids go into the warp, they are drawn to the Big E and terra, i doubt they would through terra in the warp
I’m glad you agree and hopefully we can continue this rhythm going. I hope the holidays don’t mess things up too bad
I cannot think of an idea on how to destroy the tyranids, but it might be possible to create a psychic beacon that basically says, "Nothing to eat here. Move on."
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I'd expected a super nova trick.
Collect multiple hive fleets in a 2 neighboring systems. And let them go super nova with the necron tech. Plus the surrounding systems.
In my tyranid codex was a story about a world which had an artefact which opened a warp portal which the imperilas couldn´t close it opened short before a hive fleet entered the world.
4 greater demons of each god came to the world to claim it for chaos but were bit buffled that no humans where on the planet and a kinda a supressive aura was there, they thought the tyranids and first the tyranids saw them as potential biomater.
but the the deamons changed the through the power of warp the world and nurgles plagues reaped havoc. that changed something in the strategy of the hiveminf instead seeing biomater in chaos demons, the tyranids saw in them a rivaling predator using biowores and lot more zoanthrophes to get the demons off the world in which they succeeded.
Yes the nids see Chaos as rivals and a
Threat
You guys have been on fire with the tyranid videos keep going
Thanks for noticing. It’s becoming easier to make these videos now that i focus on one faction per month
Question; have any genestealer cults broken off and become their own thing? could they? what would be a cool backbone for an army of genestealers if not a huge tyranid or heavy support from whatever race they infiltrated?
(like say a small planet of humans or even orks or whatever became to thoroughly mixed with genestealers that its just a planet of genestealers, ruled buy cultist clans or something but not knowing of the tyranids or the race they took over? could they become their own thing? what would that be? sorry for the long question, just wanted to explain properly lol
Im not an expert in gs, but i guess the question would be if a broodlord or patriarch is present or will form. If he does, hw would be like a lightbeacon for all nid swarms and could attract a hive fleet to the planet hes located at. Thats kinda what they are supposed to do anyways. But yeah I guess from a simple inbreed standpoint it should be possible for them to rule a planet.
The only real weakness of the Tyranids is their slow movement speed once they drop out of warp. Their fleets are open to long range bombardment through space. The imperium could fit their planets with appropriate defenses and bleed hive fleets as they approach planets. It's not a fix, but it would soften fleets as they approach planets.
To beat the Tyranids, you'd have to employ strategies everywhere until the Tyranids lose biomass on invasions on average. Then you starve them.
Also, the doom of Malentai can eat warp energies so the isolation theory impossible >.>
"Buy your army." I don't understand? Why is buying an army a hard sales pitch? I would think that people in the Warhammer universe would want more armys.
Don't care how flawed the idea is:
I love the notion that the entire Tyranid fleet is the final genetic mastery of The Emperor himself. His divine nature in the immaterium fabricated his last and greatest production: The Great Devourer. And now, drawn rightly to his Astronomicon, The Emperor sends his new weapons to rally around Holy Terra and then in an extroverting spiral, The Great Devourer and the newly reformed Imperium destroy all the enemies of humanity.
The shadow in the warp being a total psychic null seems to be overthrown in recent lore, starting with the release of codex daemons back in the late 2000's, if it were a psychic null like the pariah gene then the daemon faction wouldn't even be able to fight the tyranids, and the tyranids wouldn't be psykers. So it seems daemons and chaos gods are given special privilege, anyway your fictional metaphysics in regard to tyranids versus chaos are speculations not in universe facts, 40k metaphysics is very inconsistent with the small details regarding the warp and nullification and what chaos is or feeds on, chaos also preys on the fantasy/age of sigmar universe, therefore one could reason that all mortal beings across every universe feed chaos, it is literally the realm of mental activity and emotion compared to matter a la metaphysical dualism, chaos doesn't need a beings worship to corrupt it, all it needs to do is corrupt the metaphysical substance of a being and that is achieved through exposure to chaos (if the being in question has protection from warp only influence, via psychic hood or shadow in the warp), in the original chaos daemons codex it is stated that "when the warp spills out into the physical universe matter and energy fuse" which implies that mentation (chaos) holds sway over the laws of physics when exposed to such, if we are to accept the new lore surrounding the shadow in the warp as something that can hold back chaos' intuitive attention and halt enemy psykers and break the spirit of it's prey whilst not being able to protect the tyranids from deliberately chaos god willing warp offensives (daemonic incursion, as depicted in the artwork you have shown) such as the great rift (which saw vast amounts of tyranids and necrons slaughtered as mentioned in 8th rulebook) then chaos can toe to toe and even corrupt tyranids. If we are to reject modern lore and go back to the early mid 2000's then yes somehow the shadow in the warp is a total psychic null whilst also tyranids are psykers (which makes zero metaphysical sense but oh well, fiction huh?) and chaos was depicted as weaker (although chaos marines were depicted as stronger than regular marines) BUT THEEEEN we are dealing with pre matt ward necrons.... and pre matt ward necrons would certainly wipe the floor with the tyranids and everything else for that matter, necrons under the C'tan were not remotely interested in transferring back into living bodies, in fact it is implied that the C'tan would make even more necrons out of other races, also tyrandis can't digest necrons they would just phase out at the sub atomic level and reassemble elsewhere for repair. Also old lore necrons seemed to survive much more intact then the daft attempt at tragic poetry or whatever the hell matt ward was going for (that man should be barred from writing fiction under threat of prosecution) so under the star gods with total control over phsycial time and space old lore necrons would completely annihilate tyranids, and orks, and chaos and everyone (they were theoretically waaaay OP). I would like to add that chaos's complete violation of the laws of physics also makes it very hard for something like the tyranids to adapt to being temporal evolutionary entities versus comprehension defying primordial emotions that twist time and space, last but not least the shadow in the warp is a DEFENSE mechanism against chaos, it is to protect the tyranid race from chaos' direct attention, if it were to fail chaos would definitely cave the tyranids in with all that psychic activity they produce on such a monumental scale. if it were an immunity per the old lore we wouldn't have all those pictures of chaos fighting tyranids you have shown above.
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4:54 - Okay, WHERE is THIS particular picture from, because I'd like to see it in more detail.
Has the origin world/galaxy of the Nids been released or discovered? Because I believe that would aid in destroying them. Taking them out at the source so to speak. Or place a Decoy Astronomicon near their home to turn the fleets back.
I don't think the incarceration theory would work, because it requires the Hive Mind to be so stupid that it sends its entire army into the Warp all at the same time. But even with an Astronomicon-scale piece of bait, it has no reason to do that. It would at most send in one fleet, and either consume the bait world entirely or the coalition would have to engage it in a straight-up fight to prevent it from doing so in hopes of luring more of the fleet in. Which is the very thing they're trying to avoid in the first place.
Tyranids are super easy to beat. Just send in Ripley with a robot and a flamethrower and she’ll easy destroy GW’s blatant IP theft of a faction
A genestealer cultis that Obtains free will and when absorbed by the Hive fleet Gives that fleet free will.
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While GW will not do your cage method, what do _you_ think is the most likely option *GW* is going to use to Nerf the Tyranids (or give them a setback at least) so that they don't just stomp everything and 40K becomes _"the last survivors huddled against this overwhelming dominant faction, running away just ahead of the swarm"?_
How will the Nid herd/horde be thinned out enough for the rest of the Galaxy to have a chance and the setting to go back to the status quo of "everything's Fu©ked, but we can still hold on by our fingernails - for the foreseeable future".
_[The Daleks never actually win and destroy all of reality, but they never get wiped out, and they are always a menace that has to be kept in check._
_Okay, they've come very close to destroying every Universe with the _*_Reality Bomb_*_ on one occasion and have made other decent attempts._
_And also they have been decimated till they were just literally a handful of Daleks left (who then reconstructed the entire species)._
_But they will never have their ultimate victory or ultimate defeat.]_
GW need to cut the Tyranids down so that they no longer *The* existential threat … just a existential threat amongst many.
And they need to do it without giving "the good guys" (technicality the lesser of all the evil guys) too big a power boost.
Yes if the Imperium reformed itself into a sane functioning society, and also managed to form a solid alliance with both the main Eldar factions and the Tau, together all of them might beat the Nids or at least greatly reduce the threat.
*But then that would no longer be grimdark.*
just get a really big boot
putting a whole hive fleet into the immaterial could back fire if chaos gets an opportunity to speak directly to all the synapse at once
I think one of the intelligent races figuring out a way to scramble the synapse seems the most likely way to defeat them.
Does anyone feel that the old one made the Tyranids?
I mean they screwed up with the KRorks
You just gave them the key, a decoy astronomicon, to creating or understand a warp entity that suits their needs or help them learning to navigate the warp. Chaos make deals when an intelligent being is vulnerable like with the fallen space marines. You may be able to lure them with the false astronomicon, and weaken them using chaos allies, however, Hunger is the one strong emotion that Tyranids feel. Enough belief in this concept and desire to save their hive mind which as a whole is under threat could finaly help them form a pact with such an entity. If humans and orks can make a powerful religion by concentrating on a single personality, it would be simple for a single Tyranid faction with it's hive mind to do the same.
ah yes, the maw.
@@drinkshamwow4621 I looked Maw up online, the Warhammer Ogre god that is thought to be alien?
@@johnmeerabux5224 pretty much i think.
But, what would happen to the shadow of the warp when the 'nids enter the warp through a warp portal? How would the nids' react to no longer being separated from their communication/mind and how would the warp react...? I assume that if nids travel far enough into the warp they would never be able to escape because their own shadow in the warp would destablize areas around warp portals... they would be in earthquake land, but in the warp...
I don't believe the incarceration theory would work for a couple simple reasons. Since the Tyranids have to travel literal millions of light years to their destination, it can take a minimum of thousands of years to traverse from one galaxy to another, and the Pharos is frequently accredited as the signal that attracted the Tyranids. So they would need to be capable of surviving thousands of years without food in the void of space, they would not starve nearly as quickly as you'd assume.
Especially since many Tyranids lack functional digestive systems. They are created, spawned, and deployed with the sole purpose to kill enemies, consume biomass, and die in reclamation pools. Nourishment is unnecessary for soldiers, only for the hive fleet to create more Tyranid soldiers. Tyranids are made only for the purpose of war, and wouldn't likely be made in times of scarcity. So if incarceration was their means of getting rid of Tyranids, it would take a long time to starve them out completely.
Eventually they would find a way out of the warp or find a channel to a portal out of the web way. The only hope I see is that chaos would war against the Tyranids in the warp, however demons and other warp entities that die in the warp die for good. So I don't see the warp gods losing various demons, cultists, or chaos marines to defeat Tyranid hive fleets.
Maybe for thousands of years in the warp or webway the Tyranids would not be an issue for the galaxy until they manage to escape, but that doesn't prevent the various smaller splinter fleets that may have escaped incarceration, the isolated forces of tyranids on planets, or the innumerable genestealer cults that infiltrated societies.Regardless, I think getting rid of Tyranids is as futile as getting rid of the Orks. It won't get rid of them all and it won't be for long.
Come to think of it, Tyranids recycle all of their biomass, so I don't think starving them is even possible. The biomass they consume is to grow, not fuel themselves.
@@waltercunningham1033 my tyranids are painted green so in head canon they integrated with chloroplasts to acquire solar energy and lay and wait after failed invasions. Their desire to be efficient and self sufficient to obtain energy indirectly, because I already know how efficiently they maintain mass.
I thought the idea of tyranids that could continue presence on planets and slowly build themselves back up in the outskirts of society to be an interesting concept. Because one thing a few tyranids can do in absence of norn queens, such as grunts, is capable of reproducing. Rippers in particular are hypothetisized to be able to metamorphize into more advanced bioforms.
Probably not the response to expect, but I thought the concept interesting.
the "Starving" out aspect comes from the fact that Demons would not produce biomass on death and reform later at the behest of their god. Kill a bloodletter 80 times and it will still keep coming back. The Tyranids however will slowly lose their biomass pool since each death will cost them some biomass, more if the bodies can't be reclaimed. With no way to replenish their stock and under nonstop assault from demons eventually they would run low enough that a hive mind would wind up dying and with that the brood goes with it.
Most probable way nids are beaten:
One of the factions develops a way to detect the shadow in the warp while trying to develop another technology. They realize this can be used to track moving hive fleets, and for the first time they go on attack against the nids. A few centuries/millennia pass as the nids are hunted down, eventually hunted to extinction. New ones occasionally arrive but are quickly dealt with
That is true, and I dont think they even need new tech for that. Psykers just need to look into the warp and find the areas that are dead zones, there are the nids.
What are the chances that the Tyrannids are servants of the old ones created to retake the galaxy?
In my opinion very likely. I have an old video dedicated to this theory
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Imagine if the Tyranids created a genetic method for repurposing the necrons into their own organisms.
Like a species that has biological interfaces that can connect with salvaged necron parts, and weapons. Or an organism that grows a metal armour with organs that can turn consumed necrons into biological weapons. Or a small species that can get inside the necrons, and control them like a small mech. I could go on with this crossover all day!
So the flood?
All I know, is I am bored senseless with the nids. They should be kept around, Genestealer Cults are fascinating, so are the Nids, but fatally flawed, beatable. This whole Nid uber swarm, beginning with Behemoth in 2nd Ed is around 30 years old. Yes, yes, yes, I know about them being in Rogue Trader, which I played, but that was before all of this craziness. Just have them reach terra, lose and be done with it. Just get ready for GW to pull some end times bullshit with it.
The problem I see with this method is that assumes that it is fully impossible for the swarm to evolve around the immaterium... I mean sure current hive fleets but if you have an entire galaxy worth of norn queens working on it I'm pretty sure they could figure it out
I like the incarceration hypothesis. i do however suppose that you would see a lot of Tyranids return to effective biomass pools. almost an " LCL / Human Instrumaentality Project / Evangelion " state where nothing exists but those massive pools. kinda making the whole threat voided, but not eradicated.
What is that video game at the beginning?
? What if the Emporer is calling the nids to finalize his plan to destroy chaos
If if he is going for to become the 5th chaos God of order part of it would be to become the most powerful of the 5 so scouring humanity and everything else that contributes to them and makes mankind need him more makes him dominant the galactic power base would change completely with a God of order to dominate the other Chaos God's in their weakness, no longer needs the Tyranids the Warp becomes semi navigable, there is a whole lot to go with the new faction but it strengthens the new imperium ruled by the God Emporers loyal sons and a new hierarchy
Doesn’t the pariah nexus kill humans?
Tyranids are biomass itself,
I see one issue with the incarceration method; if the Nids go into hibernation according to one theory. While trapped if they are not all killed, which would take forever they could just hibernate. They are supposed to be able to hibernate for billions of years.
Lure massive hive fleets with a large fleet of cargo ships modified for speed and agility that are transporting live stock or some mass bred creature _(biomass)_ within 6-10 Astronomical Units (AU) of large red giant stars.
Then retreat to the opposite side of the Star and if possible enter the warp and jump away. But before you do. Artificially cause the Star to destabilize and go Super Nova and destroy everything in a 25-50 light year bubble.
To minimize casualties the transports can be crewed by Servitors and if needed can be escorted by a 1 or 2 cruisers.
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"-Is Games Workshop®©®©®© ever gona try to do this? No, probbably not! They'll never try to get rid of a faction."
Skellie pharao bois: ....* *Stares full of seething hatred* "We beg to differ..." * CRIES IN TOMB KINGS *
Fuck you for making me write this :'(
Mind control theory will not be used because in Starcraft Zerg have been defeated and domesticated with it already which really does not fit with the tone and structure of 40K anyway.
See the nids (great eater) so super super adaptable to anything so only 2 things that are plawsaplble to beat them of you will, #1 is make a bioform that is as adaptable as the nids, like a virus, a super flexible virus that can adapt to the nids, like a super AI "Biovirus" hybrid, or a army that is as adaptable as the nids #2 is force the nids DNA to a fixed DNA (hinder or stop their adaptability) for a period of time then kill them with the Tyrnid Killer Super Virus or TKSV.
I really like the first idea. Using and AI or even the men of iron to kill the tyranids that then turn on their creators would be such a 40k thing to happen