I highly doubt this is true, but I have a delightful little theory that spawns from the old ones clean slate idea. The Tyranids are a race feared by everyone (save for the Orks of course) and that unified fear has led enemies to join together. Necrons and Blood Marines teaming up. Conflicting ork warbands now riding under a single banner. The greatest victories against the Tyranids came from the few instances that factions collectively turned their guns towards a common enemy, and the greatest losses were fought alone. An alternative goal of the old ones could be to force the galaxy to unite even if it means it’s only long enough to kill the devourer. If they fail to unite, the factions die off, the Tyranids will starve, and the old ones will have their clean slate. This time around, they created a doomsday monster with an actual kill switch. It might also explain part of why the Silent King of the Necrons developed such an intense hatred for the Tyranids during his obscure trip to another galaxy. He recognizes that the Great Devourer is a creation of his hated enemy, the old ones, and he’s angry that after all this time, the War in Heaven never ended; it literally evolved into something far more terrifying.
I'm Very new to this fandom but Tyranids and Orks are my favorites so far, and this theory (after rabbit holing their EVERYTHING yesterday) this makes WAY TOO MUCH SENSE THANKS FOR THE NIGHTMARE
I would love for this to be the old ones final ace it's such a good concept it's just like the precursors in halo creating the flood all tho their creation was accidental so their is still a difference in story instead of just like a copy and paste so like I said would be amazing if the old ones did make the tyranids
I like the idea of them being naturally evolved. Like they’re a manifestation of the terrors present in nature without the influence of the warp. Pure biological life in all it’s horrific glory.
Even more fun, biological evolution similar to the carcinisation theory, where on Earth there are multiple different cases of critters turning into crabs. In WH40k version, you have different galaxies having their dominant lifeforms turning into Tyranids. So there are separate fleets from different galaxies, but they all turned into Tyranids Earth source - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation
@@toddkes5890 yeah that is also my favourite explanation for the nids. Its also really plausible, i mean its backed up by real human science lol xD. what i also like about it, is that only the milky way is different in that evolution process, since only the milky way has demons and stuff like that.
@@monchyd6519 Or the Milky Way hadn't developed Tyranids yet. I am sure there are demons in other galaxies with non-Tyranid life, their versions of Khorne, etc.
I go with the ark theory. Since the tyranids can recreate anything theyve nommed they could theoretically return a planet to the state if was before they nommed it. So the old ones created them as a last ditch effort to save worlds and species from the c’tan and store the genetic info of entire planets until the war was won. But they never got the chance
In the Battle Fleet Gothic trailer Trazyn refers to the tyranids as servants of an elder being. I guess that would support the intelligent design theory.
I think it was the old ones that created them because it was confirmed that they discovered our galaxy thanks to an old one tech and of course the emperor but trans the infinite admits that he thought against the tyrinids before of course it could have been after the war of heaven but how cool would be if the old ones created them
"Why would someone want to create a dangerously adaptable predator is truly a mystery." Apparently, someone has not watched all the Alien and Predator movies...
And then they eventually ate their creators (who happened to be the same ones who previously uplifted the Protoss who rebelled against them but drove them off instead of killing them.)
Everywhere has the warp. It’s a reflection of the material universe. The Shadow in the Warp is generated by millions of Tyranids arriving/awakening at once. As the horde is thinned the effect weakens.
I think that the old pnes used something like a gene pool to create and modify life and somehow that device became the first norn queen and things spiraled out of control
my theory, is that they evolved like that. the 'synapses' are akin to pheromones in space, but they were created to be like that. created to scour life, because they leave NOTHING behind. they dont leave 'nests/bases', they kill, consume to become better, and move on.
A question for OneMindSyndicate. When Roboute Guillman was removed from stasis, did he recognise the psychic hood that Chief Librarian Tigerius wore? If so, did it originally belong to Malcadore? Always wondered if that psychic hood did belong to Malcadore. Thank you for your time.
It’s more likely that other galaxies have an imaterium, since the nids can create the shadow of the warp. How is the warp created? My guess is any sentient thoughts and emotions slowly coelesses into the full fledged warp over millions of years, considering the universe is 13.5 billion years old and nearly infinite. This would also explain why in the void between galaxies there is no warp because there is little to no life out there. The gap between galaxies is enormous and the emperor has only been on the golden thrown powering the astronomicon for 10,000 ish years, much too short a time for the nids to reach the milky way from another galaxy, which means they were already headed our way.
@@OneMindSyndicate yeah, or maybe the chaos gods in their galaxies died out after all sentient life was wiped out. Who knows, fun to think about though.
my personal theory is that a rogue old one created the tyrranids as the ultimate weapon against chaos to wipe the slate clean and deny the chaos gods any followers and souls to starve them and once everything is wiped out by the nids this rogue old one can start over
all you have to do to figure this out is think about the end result of the galaxy once they have nommed all the biomass, think about it, the warp would return to a state of balance and tranquility because there would be no emotions left. And who could benefit from that? who literally created the warp to begin with? who needs to warp as its the basis for most of their technology? and who has a confirmed history in making biological weapon species? the old ones.
question: was it the noise marines? how did they infiltrate The Syndicate? you purged that post super quick! which of you two would be most likely to join the Noise Marines?
I am not really big fan of universe, or extra knowledgeable. But in my opinion end times will be chaos vs tyranids vs necrons with orcs being wild card.
Nids are way to clunky to be natural. Just them evolving space flight, like, how would they do that and why? As in, the steps don't fit, Evolution goes on by steps, how the heck the towers evolve without space flight already existing? But they are necessary for space flight.
I remember a white dwarf where an eldar predicted that the silent king created/adapted the tyranids and sent them back. then had an o s*** moment after realizing what he created and came back to save his people.
idk, orks and nids fighting are like an infinitive meat grinder xD nids use all the biomass to produce more nids and orks reproduce by fighting, the only question is: who will outlive the other one
QUESTION: If they are attracted to the astronomicon is it possible that the emperor is calling them to the milky way on purpose? Why do you think he might?
@@Longbow6625i mean, it's basically like using a Freaking Nuke to Kill a Rat...but if You think About it, it's like they Black Plague. If You don't Kill every single rat....The Black Plague gonna be in the World again
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Doesn't the Great Harvester Theory contradict itself? If the Tyranids developed the shadow in the warp as a defense against the warp, they would have to had contact with its denizens. However, this would have been so long ago that there weren't any denizens in the warp because back then, the warp was still peaceful and calm. Has anyone ever asked the Chaos Gods wether they've seen the Tyranids before?
@@noahchapman272 If you’re a Tzeentch follower you could pray for the knowledge of the Tyranids. If Tz doesn’t know then that’s something he should want to find out.
I like to imagine that the Tyranids are from some nearby satellite galaxy to the Milky Way. The twist is that all the biomass of that galaxy has been completely devoured. The hive ships have been cruising to the Milky Way for millions of years. However, since all of their home galaxy's biomass is now repurposed the Tyranids have also sent ships to the Andromeda Galaxy and others!
Well the Andromeda Galaxy is the galaxy predicted to collide with the Milky Way in maybe 4.5 Billion Years. And the Milky Way currently has 2 Satellite Galaxies (seen in the Southern Hemisphere) the Large Magellanic Cloud (LMC) and Small Magellanic Cloud (SMC). In the scope of Galaxy movement 40 thousand years is nothing, so your theory would have to revolve around those.
Regarding the “fight or flight” theory, I never imagined the possibility of the Tyranid hive fleets invading the Milky Way galaxy to potentially be running from their own kind. I always assumed it would be some even more powerful race of xenos, whether technologically inclined or otherwise. In particular, the idea of another non-technological race that could cause the Tyranids to flee, is quite a terrifying notion.
The only thing worse than the Tyranids that would even send them running away with just a few encounters would be The Harrowing... from the forgotten apocalypse.
*Plot twist:* The Tyranids are fleeing to the Milky Way galaxy because it's the only sanctum left for them after *The Destroyers* have almost wiped them out in every other galaxy of the Local Group. The Destroyers entered one of the Tyranids' galaxies over 15,000 standard years ago. Back then, they were already a highly advanced adversary that conquered world after world from the swarms. They only grew stronger and more refined over the millennia. But back in early M25, a lesser Tyranid swarm managed to capture one of the Destroyers under great losses. By examining its mind, the Tyranids were able to discover their heinous plan for universal domination. The mightiest of the Destroyers, who was simply called 'Adam' by his followers, left his home galaxy behind once his tremendous psychic powers were able to forsee the rebellion of his species' highly advanced A.I. due to Chaos corruption. But only A.I. could help his kind become truly superior and enlightened beings. So Adam left an almost perfect, immortal clone of himself behind in his home galaxy, instructing him to rebuild what was going to be lost during the dark millennia that lay ahead for the ancient Destroyers if his secret mission of colonizing consecutive galaxies should fail. It didn't fail. Quite the opposite. By the time M40 rolled around, the Destroyers were already victorious in most galaxies of the Tyranids. Almost every planet the Destroyers conquered, they transformed into new forms that closely resembled their home planet in ancient times: large blue oceancs, blue skies, green Forrest and meadow - covered landmasses and atmospheres mostly comprised of nitrogen and oxygen, teeming with millions of once-extinct animal species. Only the Milky Way seemed to be strictly off limits for the Destroyers due to the unique presence of Chaos over there. Said Chaos was able to corrupt the bodies, minds and A.I. of the Destroyers, rendering them helpless in the process. So the Hive minds began to formulate a plan: devour the entire milky way galaxy until they could assimilate the power of Chaos for themselves. Luckily, those Destroyers who had remained in the Milky Way, had somehow regressed in technology to a point where victory seemed more than possible. But time was running out for the Tyranids because the external Destroyers would soon find a way to destroy the presence of the Milky Way Warp in a matter of centuries. Then, they would use their intergalactic webway to travel to the Milky-way, seal all Warp rifts and reunite with the Milky-way Destroyers in order to assure Destroyer supremacy across thd Local Group and beyond. The Tyranids would go extinct.
I don't think the shadow in the warp is an adaptation, rather a useful side-effect of having such a massive warp-detached consciousness exert control over billions of organisms. Though you can't 'see' the presence of this mind, it still has to reach out across space to all it's subordinates similar to a massive geomantic web but instead of pylons and a nexus, it has a central fleet and and synaptic creatures. Never seen but always felt, probably harnessing the same energy now that I think about it, probably the warp but instead of chaos, it is pure order. The massive control of the warp likely negated the need for chaos-based adaptations
Its a grey area. If two fleets meet they will fight each other. However with hive fleet chronus, who are specialized with dealing with chaos, other fleets will avoid them and even create supply points for chronus to replenish itself since it doesnt get much biomass from just dealing with daemon worlds.
I’m not gonna lie I really hate the creation theory especially the Old ones variation I personally like to believe the tyranids where just simple animals that fed on wounded old ones escaping the war in heaven and that’s how they got their sentience and psychic abilities
Question: Do you think its possible that the Death Guard, or any other Champions of Nurgle, would have an inherent advantage against the tyranids??? Due to their speciality in putrefying biomass??? Or would Tyranids be able to evolve immune systems to combat Nurgles gifts?? I think it would make for a wonderful test of might.
Thanks for the awesome content! Would it be possible to explore a Tyranid - Tzeentch link? A forever evolving species that assimilates new knowledge from everything it consumes to change once again, and a chaos god of change, mutation, Architect of Fate, they seem kinda related
Really like listening to you man, you enroll background knowledge and "facts" which most other 40k channels simply can't. Thanks for all the hard work, keep going, your my favorite 40k channel by now! Greetings from Germany
A video on intelligence in 40k, how smart is your average space marine compared to your average educated imperium citizen, then compared to primarchs, the big E and then to various Xenos.
Maybe the Tyranids are 'carriers' of a dormant consciousness (Shadow of the warp) And this shadow is their 'hive god' or something that seeks the immatrium and that maybe seeing the light from Terra is what the tyranids think will bring their god life again. (I would be surprised if Tyranids ever get a origin unless it's near endgame for the current 40k setting as the mystery of where they came from or how they came about has been a appeal to the Tyranid lore and imagine GW know that)
I believe that the Tyranids is one super organism that evolved the ability to control multiple bodies at the same time to be able to consume more biomass.
The Apex Predator theory seems the most believable to me. I highly doubt the Old Ones created them. If the nids wiped out most life in the galaxy previously maybe the old ones were one of the few survivors and that motivated them to create new species around the galaxy. Perhaps also a motivation for the webway to hide in next time round too.
Has anyone tried Snickers? I feel like you give these guys a Snickers, get the hunger under control, and we could be looking at some friendly interaction. And if it doesn't make them friendly, we get 'em hooked on fast food. Heart disease, obesity, diabetes ... they'd have this problem whipped in no time. [Note: this idea made me think about fast food in the 41st millennium. I have to assume if there was a "McDonalds" corporation on Necromunda, they would have shock troops and murder farms. Imperial Burgers?]
I can't remember where I read it (it might've been one of Sherman Bishop's articles) but there was an explanation of why the Tyranids use biotechnology exclusively. According to that theory the Tyranids evolved as an aquatic species and not having an access to smelting metals forced them to use bio-machines for all their needs.
Looking at M41's Nids makes it bonkers to imagine some intelligent designer creating them as weapons. Same with the orks. But we know the orks devolved from something very useful to what they are now. The original design of the Nids might have been something very different as well.
I think the Tyranids were actually created by some god IN the warp prior to all the other Gods being created- they eventually overthrew and devoured their God(s). They eventually broke into the material worlds in places where material creatures first gained sentience, but only in single or small groups of scouts into this new and painful existence. The very existence in material space is agony for the Tyranids and only their hunger is stronger than the pain, but they devoured everything other than themselves long ago. An ancient intelligence developed in the Greater Magellanic Cloud and foolishly tore open an egress to the Immaterium as a means of FTL travel. What they got instead was a Tyranid invasion that would destroy their sub-galaxy. After their feast, the Tyranids went dormant again...until the Emperor lit his lighthouse and woke them ALL- Including what ancient scout remnants existed within the galaxy... And the hives have been traveling at barely FTL speeds at than light speeds towards the Milky Way ever since. Deep within the Immaterium, exists the nameless horror that spawned all Tyranids and could awaken to become their God... Yes, it's Barney The Dinosaur.
4:00 No! This is just plain wrong. The War in Heaven (Between the Old Ones and their creations and the Necrons, ENDED 65 million years ago ... it had been raging for a long, long time before then. And there was no mention of anything like the Tyranids at that time. This "theory" sounds like someone played a bit too much Mass Effect.
On the Warp issue, I think that requiring the Tyrranid to originate in our galaxy is a false assumption. To the best of my knowledge, we don't KNOW that the Warp exists only for the Milky Way, just that there's some kind of blockage at the edge that prevents Warp travel. Since the Warp is fundamentally a manifestation of the will and thoughts of living creatures, the vast expanse of empty space between the galaxies would form a still, silent desert of nothingness in the Warp, maybe even closed off by a lack of anything to fill it. Thus the Tyrranid may have developed in another galaxy that had it's own full and active Warp and they evolved to take advantage of that, but their lack of Warp travel seems to indicate that this is very limited and not intentionally designed.
I have a personal theory that the old ones created a new form of life that was perfectly able to adapt to any situation and overcome any obstacles. With the full intent of retaking the milky way. Then a rogue/mad Catan comes by, filets his old rivals the old ones, and takes command of this infinitely evolving new life as its hive mind!!!!
Obviously the skavin conquered their world and made an empire. One of their pet cockroaches somehow got loose started munching on magic crystal and well a few million years later we have the Tyranids.
The only way I can see to defeat Tyranids is using non biological means that the Tyranids have no way of replicating. That being said they already possess gun like growths and space traveling ships so it's hard to imagine what could be made with technology that couldn't be made biologically.
Note the seed theory. Natural selection or clean slate. Why want to consume a galaxy you can’t control? Henceforth the devourer wants the devices like astronomicon. To extend its range and focus.
I like the theory they were created and why you have so many different factions fighting each other is that the old ones try to one up each other and create different species of tyrannids. Just like we had six or seven subhuman species on this planet Earth and eventually the humans took over or absorbed the other races. I'm not going to get into a debate whether we were created or it was just Darwinism and we got here by chance. But the facts are there were six or seven other human-like species on this planet.
Actually, I made an alternate story also covering the tyranids origin for a warhammer rpg campaign about Genestealer Cults ending in the tyranids ultimate defeat at the end: In this story the Necrons created the Tyranids immitating the old ones. They vanished together until the Hive fleets slowly reentered the Galaxy. At this point they were found by the Emperor, which would then create the Hive Mind, in order to control the Tyranids. Before his murder, he would send kill-switch codes for the hive mind on tiamet to three imperial worlds: Cadia, Tyran and Skylla (A new planet, which was covered by the Warpstorm Charybdis shortly after, so it doesn't appear on newer imperial maps). After the destruction of Cadia and Tyran a Genestealer Cult started preparing Skylla for Invasion. (Won't go into into detail about the planets society here, though it ended up being really cool) Then Nurgle infects a major Hive Fleet named Pandora, Fenris is destroyed and Kryptman leaves exile. Basically, Shit goes down.After the "Silent War", a clash between the remaining Space Wolves, Pandora, Tzeentch and Hive Fleet Kronos barely outside the galaxy, Kryptman finds out about the Emperors plans. The Imperium then starts a massive attack on Tiamet. Kryptman sacrafices himself and destroyes the Hive Mind using the Kill Switch Code transmitted by the group on Skylla. And so the Kryptman Saga comes to an end... Hope you could follow your vids are great, man! :)
My headcanon is that there's some surviving old ones who fled to a different galaxy and created the 'nids as a bioweapon to cleanse the Milky Way of life.
not sure the problem have with every single theory is that, the thranids are the only civ/race if you want to call them that heck even the chous has a society of sorts. So not sure what to classify Tyranids. you might say well what about the apex predetor yet there is no apex pred in the milky way, so how do you explain that? I just feel like we are still missing pieces.
Do we have to hear you whispering Or breathing Into the microphone I enjoyed the detail of your videos but the breathing in the Mike is getting on my nerves
Tyranids Origin was once one race and the some and left its home plants learning how to rapidly evolve . in a war thy split to move throw space and over time has become the Tyranids and thy are no longer once where thy where . and each on the countless swarms as from the home fleets ..the moto what will not kill me makes me stronger is the life force of the Tyranids .
Sorry for the audio mistake on the last video guys, hope this is better. Thanks for trying to let me know.
Wow... Respect.. no more words needed
You guys make so many videos. Mistakes happen plus you re-upload the video. So thanks.
Do 40 Facts about Tzeentch ( or Slaanesh ) invasion in real space!!!
Spot on thank you good sir I had a feeling it wouldn't take you long too sort
Thanks. A tyranid with a boombox is no fun.
I highly doubt this is true, but I have a delightful little theory that spawns from the old ones clean slate idea. The Tyranids are a race feared by everyone (save for the Orks of course) and that unified fear has led enemies to join together. Necrons and Blood Marines teaming up. Conflicting ork warbands now riding under a single banner. The greatest victories against the Tyranids came from the few instances that factions collectively turned their guns towards a common enemy, and the greatest losses were fought alone. An alternative goal of the old ones could be to force the galaxy to unite even if it means it’s only long enough to kill the devourer. If they fail to unite, the factions die off, the Tyranids will starve, and the old ones will have their clean slate. This time around, they created a doomsday monster with an actual kill switch.
It might also explain part of why the Silent King of the Necrons developed such an intense hatred for the Tyranids during his obscure trip to another galaxy. He recognizes that the Great Devourer is a creation of his hated enemy, the old ones, and he’s angry that after all this time, the War in Heaven never ended; it literally evolved into something far more terrifying.
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I think the Intelligent Design Theory, i.e., the Old Ones creating Tyranids, is the best theory out of all.
I agree here, their military capabilities and adaptativity are too odd to be natural.
I'm Very new to this fandom but Tyranids and Orks are my favorites so far, and this theory (after rabbit holing their EVERYTHING yesterday) this makes WAY TOO MUCH SENSE THANKS FOR THE NIGHTMARE
I would love for this to be the old ones final ace it's such a good concept it's just like the precursors in halo creating the flood all tho their creation was accidental so their is still a difference in story instead of just like a copy and paste so like I said would be amazing if the old ones did make the tyranids
I like the idea of them being naturally evolved. Like they’re a manifestation of the terrors present in nature without the influence of the warp. Pure biological life in all it’s horrific glory.
Even more fun, biological evolution similar to the carcinisation theory, where on Earth there are multiple different cases of critters turning into crabs. In WH40k version, you have different galaxies having their dominant lifeforms turning into Tyranids. So there are separate fleets from different galaxies, but they all turned into Tyranids
Earth source - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation
Kinda like an Evil version of Godzilla Terra.
@@toddkes5890 I like this. this is pure cosmic horror
@@toddkes5890 yeah that is also my favourite explanation for the nids. Its also really plausible, i mean its backed up by real human science lol xD. what i also like about it, is that only the milky way is different in that evolution process, since only the milky way has demons and stuff like that.
@@monchyd6519 Or the Milky Way hadn't developed Tyranids yet. I am sure there are demons in other galaxies with non-Tyranid life, their versions of Khorne, etc.
I go with the ark theory.
Since the tyranids can recreate anything theyve nommed they could theoretically return a planet to the state if was before they nommed it. So the old ones created them as a last ditch effort to save worlds and species from the c’tan and store the genetic info of entire planets until the war was won. But they never got the chance
In the Battle Fleet Gothic trailer Trazyn refers to the tyranids as servants of an elder being. I guess that would support the intelligent design theory.
Yup thanks for the re-edit guys
I think it was the old ones that created them because it was confirmed that they discovered our galaxy thanks to an old one tech and of course the emperor but trans the infinite admits that he thought against the tyrinids before of course it could have been after the war of heaven but how cool would be if the old ones created them
The theory that Malal, when cast from the warp, created a race of daemons in realspace.
I’m Commander Shepard, and this harvester theory is my favorite on the Citadel.
Great job. I can hear gursh this time.
haha yeah sorry about that
"Why would someone want to create a dangerously adaptable predator is truly a mystery."
Apparently, someone has not watched all the Alien and Predator movies...
These are our new green footsoldiers. I call them Kroork. What could go wrong if we unleash them on the galaxy?
I wish I could afford Warhammer 40k minis, the tyranids would be cool to paint. Same with the astartes
In Starcraft the Zerg are modified insects that some demigods modified to be more dangerous.
And then they eventually ate their creators (who happened to be the same ones who previously uplifted the Protoss who rebelled against them but drove them off instead of killing them.)
@@jeffumbach well said
Everywhere has the warp. It’s a reflection of the material universe.
The Shadow in the Warp is generated by millions of Tyranids arriving/awakening at once. As the horde is thinned the effect weakens.
I think that the old pnes used something like a gene pool to create and modify life and somehow that device became the first norn queen and things spiraled out of control
my theory, is that they evolved like that. the 'synapses' are akin to pheromones in space, but they were created to be like that. created to scour life, because they leave NOTHING behind. they dont leave 'nests/bases', they kill, consume to become better, and move on.
A question for OneMindSyndicate. When Roboute Guillman was removed from stasis, did he recognise the psychic hood that Chief Librarian Tigerius wore? If so, did it originally belong to Malcadore? Always wondered if that psychic hood did belong to Malcadore. Thank you for your time.
It’s more likely that other galaxies have an imaterium, since the nids can create the shadow of the warp.
How is the warp created? My guess is any sentient thoughts and emotions slowly coelesses into the full fledged warp over millions of years, considering the universe is 13.5 billion years old and nearly infinite.
This would also explain why in the void between galaxies there is no warp because there is little to no life out there.
The gap between galaxies is enormous and the emperor has only been on the golden thrown powering the astronomicon for 10,000 ish years, much too short a time for the nids to reach the milky way from another galaxy, which means they were already headed our way.
Maybe does that mean the Tyranids defeated the chaos gods of their warp galaxy
@@OneMindSyndicate yeah, or maybe the chaos gods in their galaxies died out after all sentient life was wiped out. Who knows, fun to think about though.
A cannibal hive fleet does make sense
Man I remember that video from 4 years ago. How the time has flown.
my personal theory is that a rogue old one created the tyrranids as the ultimate weapon against chaos to wipe the slate clean and deny the chaos gods any followers and souls to starve them and once everything is wiped out by the nids this rogue old one can start over
Love this video, Tyranids are my favourite ❤
all you have to do to figure this out is think about the end result of the galaxy once they have nommed all the biomass, think about it, the warp would return to a state of balance and tranquility because there would be no emotions left. And who could benefit from that? who literally created the warp to begin with? who needs to warp as its the basis for most of their technology? and who has a confirmed history in making biological weapon species? the old ones.
Commenting bc I enjoy the lore
question: was it the noise marines? how did they infiltrate The Syndicate? you purged that post super quick! which of you two would be most likely to join the Noise Marines?
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I am not really big fan of universe, or extra knowledgeable. But in my opinion end times will be chaos vs tyranids vs necrons with orcs being wild card.
yeah I can't disagree
personally i thinkits a case of the old ones created them to wipe out the milky way but its out of control
I’ve heard a theory they made them as a living gene-vault during the War in the Heavens to reseed the galaxy after the Necrons and Ctan were defeated.
Tyranids are like Reapers from ME but much,much worse than that.
Since Dante, have the tyranid recognized IoM as a threat instead of prey?
The harvester theory does not explain their origin only their absence.
I rekon the old ones made them
7:55 bonk
Nids are way to clunky to be natural.
Just them evolving space flight, like, how would they do that and why?
As in, the steps don't fit, Evolution goes on by steps, how the heck the towers evolve without space flight already existing? But they are necessary for space flight.
As for origin i think they did this to themselves.
Szarekh made them in exile to counter the Orcs.
What if the 2001 film "Evolution" was a tyranid invasion?
Engagement
Would be intresting if gw added a tyranid hunting faction if its the flight or fight theory.
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No problem!
I remember a white dwarf where an eldar predicted that the silent king created/adapted the tyranids and sent them back. then had an o s*** moment after realizing what he created and came back to save his people.
It would explain why the silent kings first action was to create the pariah nexus instead of fighting the nids
Honestly it makes the most sense that orks were made solely to combat the tyranids and literally never having to worry about losing.
idk, orks and nids fighting are like an infinitive meat grinder xD nids use all the biomass to produce more nids and orks reproduce by fighting, the only question is: who will outlive the other one
@@monchyd6519 orks reproduce via fungal growth
@@redragon1990 yeah but isnt it like that they only grow stronger and bigger if they fight
@@monchyd6519 they grow naturally like any regular organism, however their society views the biggest and meanest as leaders.
QUESTION:
If they are attracted to the astronomicon is it possible that the emperor is calling them to the milky way on purpose? Why do you think he might?
Well, if his goal is the elimination of chaos, they do seem to be the perfect mechanism for that.
@@Longbow6625i mean, it's basically like using a Freaking Nuke to Kill a Rat...but if You think About it, it's like they Black Plague.
If You don't Kill every single rat....The Black Plague gonna be in the World again
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I use el got the same thing lol, I dream about war hammer now
@@danielponcianodiaz176 haha nice to know I'm not on my own
hahaha we are the chaos gods of slumber prepping you for the eternal sleep.
Doesn't the Great Harvester Theory contradict itself? If the Tyranids developed the shadow in the warp as a defense against the warp, they would have to had contact with its denizens. However, this would have been so long ago that there weren't any denizens in the warp because back then, the warp was still peaceful and calm.
Has anyone ever asked the Chaos Gods wether they've seen the Tyranids before?
Ah yes a friendly and respectful interview with the chaos gods
Got Slaanesh on speed dial, do you?.
@@noahchapman272 If you’re a Tzeentch follower you could pray for the knowledge of the Tyranids. If Tz doesn’t know then that’s something he should want to find out.
I was under the impression that the chaos gods have always existed, just not in the same intensity that they do now.
I like to imagine that the Tyranids are from some nearby satellite galaxy to the Milky Way. The twist is that all the biomass of that galaxy has been completely devoured. The hive ships have been cruising to the Milky Way for millions of years. However, since all of their home galaxy's biomass is now repurposed the Tyranids have also sent ships to the Andromeda Galaxy and others!
Well the Andromeda Galaxy is the galaxy predicted to collide with the Milky Way in maybe 4.5 Billion Years. And the Milky Way currently has 2 Satellite Galaxies (seen in the Southern Hemisphere) the Large Magellanic Cloud (LMC) and Small Magellanic Cloud (SMC).
In the scope of Galaxy movement 40 thousand years is nothing, so your theory would have to revolve around those.
Regarding the “fight or flight” theory, I never imagined the possibility of the Tyranid hive fleets invading the Milky Way galaxy to potentially be running from their own kind. I always assumed it would be some even more powerful race of xenos, whether technologically inclined or otherwise. In particular, the idea of another non-technological race that could cause the Tyranids to flee, is quite a terrifying notion.
What kind of tyranid is at 7:55 😳
The dummy thick nid
I love the evolution theory
But damn you gotta wonder what hell of a galaxy/planet they evolved from
The only thing worse than the Tyranids that would even send them running away with just a few encounters would be The Harrowing... from the forgotten apocalypse.
*Plot twist:*
The Tyranids are fleeing to the Milky Way galaxy because it's the only sanctum left for them after *The Destroyers* have almost wiped them out in every other galaxy of the Local Group.
The Destroyers entered one of the Tyranids' galaxies over 15,000 standard years ago. Back then, they were already a highly advanced adversary that conquered world after world from the swarms. They only grew stronger and more refined over the millennia.
But back in early M25, a lesser Tyranid swarm managed to capture one of the Destroyers under great losses. By examining its mind, the Tyranids were able to discover their heinous plan for universal domination.
The mightiest of the Destroyers, who was simply called 'Adam' by his followers, left his home galaxy behind once his tremendous psychic powers were able to forsee the rebellion of his species' highly advanced A.I. due to Chaos corruption. But only A.I. could help his kind become truly superior and enlightened beings.
So Adam left an almost perfect, immortal clone of himself behind in his home galaxy, instructing him to rebuild what was going to be lost during the dark millennia that lay ahead for the ancient Destroyers if his secret mission of colonizing consecutive galaxies should fail.
It didn't fail.
Quite the opposite.
By the time M40 rolled around, the Destroyers were already victorious in most galaxies of the Tyranids.
Almost every planet the Destroyers conquered, they transformed into new forms that closely resembled their home planet in ancient times: large blue oceancs, blue skies, green Forrest and meadow - covered landmasses and atmospheres mostly comprised of nitrogen and oxygen, teeming with millions of once-extinct animal species.
Only the Milky Way seemed to be strictly off limits for the Destroyers due to the unique presence of Chaos over there. Said Chaos was able to corrupt the bodies, minds and A.I. of the Destroyers, rendering them helpless in the process.
So the Hive minds began to formulate a plan: devour the entire milky way galaxy until they could assimilate the power of Chaos for themselves.
Luckily, those Destroyers who had remained in the Milky Way, had somehow regressed in technology to a point where victory seemed more than possible.
But time was running out for the Tyranids because the external Destroyers would soon find a way to destroy the presence of the Milky Way Warp in a matter of centuries.
Then, they would use their intergalactic webway to travel to the Milky-way, seal all Warp rifts and reunite with the Milky-way Destroyers in order to assure Destroyer supremacy across thd Local Group and beyond. The Tyranids would go extinct.
Thank you for the fix. Your 40 on 40k videos are great.
Glad you like them!
I don't think the shadow in the warp is an adaptation, rather a useful side-effect of having such a massive warp-detached consciousness exert control over billions of organisms. Though you can't 'see' the presence of this mind, it still has to reach out across space to all it's subordinates similar to a massive geomantic web but instead of pylons and a nexus, it has a central fleet and and synaptic creatures. Never seen but always felt, probably harnessing the same energy now that I think about it, probably the warp but instead of chaos, it is pure order.
The massive control of the warp likely negated the need for chaos-based adaptations
I think there is room for a combination of several theories, and the inclusion of an Old one becoming the first Hive Mind.
the laziest theory, the old ones did it. nah.
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I thought tyrannic hive fleets were connected to each other?
Its a grey area. If two fleets meet they will fight each other. However with hive fleet chronus, who are specialized with dealing with chaos, other fleets will avoid them and even create supply points for chronus to replenish itself since it doesnt get much biomass from just dealing with daemon worlds.
They are like inquisitors, technically they are on the same side but most of the time they want to kill each other
It definitely is not intelligent design, after all, since when has GW been intelligent in their designs?
LIFE.
FINDS A WAY...
TO DEVOUR ALLL.
I’m not gonna lie I really hate the creation theory especially the Old ones variation I personally like to believe the tyranids where just simple animals that fed on wounded old ones escaping the war in heaven and that’s how they got their sentience and psychic abilities
I like to imagine Tyranids are the one race that every other race would unite against
Question: Do you think its possible that the Death Guard, or any other Champions of Nurgle, would have an inherent advantage against the tyranids??? Due to their speciality in putrefying biomass??? Or would Tyranids be able to evolve immune systems to combat Nurgles gifts??
I think it would make for a wonderful test of might.
Given they made a splinter fleet that exclusively targets chaos I think they would evolve against nurgle
Tyranids, the greatest threat for the chaos. It is entirely illogical for chaos not helping the imperium to fight Tyranids.
what exactly is the so called collective consciousness, ''The Hive Mind''.
What if they are simply a form of von Neumann swarms that has some eldritch programming? The replicate using available resources.
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Thanks for the awesome content! Would it be possible to explore a Tyranid - Tzeentch link? A forever evolving species that assimilates new knowledge from everything it consumes to change once again, and a chaos god of change, mutation, Architect of Fate, they seem kinda related
Really like listening to you man, you enroll background knowledge and "facts" which most other 40k channels simply can't.
Thanks for all the hard work, keep going, your my favorite 40k channel by now!
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A video on intelligence in 40k, how smart is your average space marine compared to your average educated imperium citizen, then compared to primarchs, the big E and then to various Xenos.
A superior Hive Fleet: shows thicc tyranid waifu
Maybe the Tyranids are 'carriers' of a dormant consciousness (Shadow of the warp) And this shadow is their 'hive god' or something that seeks the immatrium and that maybe seeing the light from Terra is what the tyranids think will bring their god life again.
(I would be surprised if Tyranids ever get a origin unless it's near endgame for the current 40k setting as the mystery of where they came from or how they came about has been a appeal to the Tyranid lore and imagine GW know that)
The Hive Mind is their god, and its awake.
I believe that the Tyranids is one super organism that evolved the ability to control multiple bodies at the same time to be able to consume more biomass.
Thats almost exactly what they are. They collectively are the Hive Minds body, each individual is a cell in its body.
So, theory 1 is just the plot to the Mass Effect games with the Reapers.
Love your lore videos! Life hasn't allowed me to get back into 40k gaming yet but your videos keep the love alive!
The Apex Predator theory seems the most believable to me. I highly doubt the Old Ones created them. If the nids wiped out most life in the galaxy previously maybe the old ones were one of the few survivors and that motivated them to create new species around the galaxy. Perhaps also a motivation for the webway to hide in next time round too.
Has anyone tried Snickers? I feel like you give these guys a Snickers, get the hunger under control, and we could be looking at some friendly interaction.
And if it doesn't make them friendly, we get 'em hooked on fast food. Heart disease, obesity, diabetes ... they'd have this problem whipped in no time.
[Note: this idea made me think about fast food in the 41st millennium. I have to assume if there was a "McDonalds" corporation on Necromunda, they would have shock troops and murder farms. Imperial Burgers?]
Yeah I'd like to order a McTerra with extra pickles and a side of fries. Could I also get some Vulkan hot sauce with that? Thanks.
The loch ness monster was a tyranid?
Yes could have been
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I can't remember where I read it (it might've been one of Sherman Bishop's articles) but there was an explanation of why the Tyranids use biotechnology exclusively. According to that theory the Tyranids evolved as an aquatic species and not having an access to smelting metals forced them to use bio-machines for all their needs.
Looking at M41's Nids makes it bonkers to imagine some intelligent designer creating them as weapons. Same with the orks. But we know the orks devolved from something very useful to what they are now. The original design of the Nids might have been something very different as well.
I think the Tyranids were actually created by some god IN the warp prior to all the other Gods being created- they eventually overthrew and devoured their God(s).
They eventually broke into the material worlds in places where material creatures first gained sentience, but only in single or small groups of scouts into this new and painful existence.
The very existence in material space is agony for the Tyranids and only their hunger is stronger than the pain, but they devoured everything other than themselves long ago.
An ancient intelligence developed in the Greater Magellanic Cloud and foolishly tore open an egress to the Immaterium as a means of FTL travel.
What they got instead was a Tyranid invasion that would destroy their sub-galaxy.
After their feast, the Tyranids went dormant again...until the Emperor lit his lighthouse and woke them ALL- Including what ancient scout remnants existed within the galaxy...
And the hives have been traveling at barely FTL speeds at than light speeds towards the Milky Way ever since.
Deep within the Immaterium, exists the nameless horror that spawned all Tyranids and could awaken to become their God...
Yes, it's Barney The Dinosaur.
4:00 No! This is just plain wrong. The War in Heaven (Between the Old Ones and their creations and the Necrons, ENDED 65 million years ago ... it had been raging for a long, long time before then.
And there was no mention of anything like the Tyranids at that time.
This "theory" sounds like someone played a bit too much Mass Effect.
On the Warp issue, I think that requiring the Tyrranid to originate in our galaxy is a false assumption. To the best of my knowledge, we don't KNOW that the Warp exists only for the Milky Way, just that there's some kind of blockage at the edge that prevents Warp travel. Since the Warp is fundamentally a manifestation of the will and thoughts of living creatures, the vast expanse of empty space between the galaxies would form a still, silent desert of nothingness in the Warp, maybe even closed off by a lack of anything to fill it.
Thus the Tyrranid may have developed in another galaxy that had it's own full and active Warp and they evolved to take advantage of that, but their lack of Warp travel seems to indicate that this is very limited and not intentionally designed.
Up to 07:52: Man they're scary
After 07:52: Let them come
Right, what kind of picture is that
The apex predator theory makes the most sense to me
I have a personal theory that the old ones created a new form of life that was perfectly able to adapt to any situation and overcome any obstacles. With the full intent of retaking the milky way. Then a rogue/mad Catan comes by, filets his old rivals the old ones, and takes command of this infinitely evolving new life as its hive mind!!!!
Obviously the skavin conquered their world and made an empire. One of their pet cockroaches somehow got loose started munching on magic crystal and well a few million years later we have the Tyranids.
The only way I can see to defeat Tyranids is using non biological means that the Tyranids have no way of replicating. That being said they already possess gun like growths and space traveling ships so it's hard to imagine what could be made with technology that couldn't be made biologically.
Note the seed theory. Natural selection or clean slate. Why want to consume a galaxy you can’t control? Henceforth the devourer wants the devices like astronomicon. To extend its range and focus.
I like the theory they were created and why you have so many different factions fighting each other is that the old ones try to one up each other and create different species of tyrannids.
Just like we had six or seven subhuman species on this planet Earth and eventually the humans took over or absorbed the other races.
I'm not going to get into a debate whether we were created or it was just Darwinism and we got here by chance.
But the facts are there were six or seven other human-like species on this planet.
Considering how sht the 40k universe is I’m rooting for either the tyranids or necrons. Necrons more so
I've said this in a different comment section. I believe that the Tyranids are a Jurassic park situation on a galactic scale that went out of control
Actually, I made an alternate story also covering the tyranids origin for a warhammer rpg campaign about Genestealer Cults ending in the tyranids ultimate defeat at the end:
In this story the Necrons created the Tyranids immitating the old ones. They vanished together until the Hive fleets slowly reentered the Galaxy. At this point they were found by the Emperor, which would then create the Hive Mind, in order to control the Tyranids. Before his murder, he would send kill-switch codes for the hive mind on tiamet to three imperial worlds: Cadia, Tyran and Skylla (A new planet, which was covered by the Warpstorm Charybdis shortly after, so it doesn't appear on newer imperial maps). After the destruction of Cadia and Tyran a Genestealer Cult started preparing Skylla for Invasion. (Won't go into into detail about the planets society here, though it ended up being really cool) Then Nurgle infects a major Hive Fleet named Pandora, Fenris is destroyed and Kryptman leaves exile. Basically, Shit goes down.After the "Silent War", a clash between the remaining Space Wolves, Pandora, Tzeentch and Hive Fleet Kronos barely outside the galaxy, Kryptman finds out about the Emperors plans. The Imperium then starts a massive attack on Tiamet. Kryptman sacrafices himself and destroyes the Hive Mind using the Kill Switch Code transmitted by the group on Skylla. And so the Kryptman Saga comes to an end...
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My headcanon is that there's some surviving old ones who fled to a different galaxy and created the 'nids as a bioweapon to cleanse the Milky Way of life.
not sure the problem have with every single theory is that, the thranids are the only civ/race if you want to call them that heck even the chous has a society of sorts. So not sure what to classify Tyranids. you might say well what about the apex predetor yet there is no apex pred in the milky way, so how do you explain that? I just feel like we are still missing pieces.
If they were created, It almost certainly was by a race we haven't even seen or heard of yet. Extragalactic and very powerful
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Do we have to hear you whispering Or breathing Into the microphone I enjoyed the detail of your videos but the breathing in the Mike is getting on my nerves
I'm of the idea they're bio-weapons: their military capabilities and adaptativity are too odd to be natural.
Tyranids Origin was once one race and the some and left its home plants learning how to rapidly evolve . in a war thy split to move throw space and over time has become the Tyranids and thy are no longer once where thy where . and each on the countless swarms as from the home fleets ..the moto what will not kill me makes me stronger is the life force of the Tyranids .
Genestealers “arrived” 35k while the hive fleets have only been around 200 years
I like that you had a sexy Tyranid girl when you mentioned super hive fleet and better adapted.
I’m sorry but the harvest cycle makes the most sense everything just adds up