The most terrifying thing is best case scenario, papa nurgle makes something that can wipe out the Tyranids, worst case they just perpetually make each other stronger.
thats exatky what will happen, same thing with the waarg with Tyranids and Orcs....the Tyranids got stronger bcuz they had nearly infinte bio mass and new strong Orc gen and the orcs well the orcs they died till they learned how to beat them.
@@hexkwondo that indeed is baddass but how do they keep them on a leash when the tyranids attack, usually they behave like animals when the hive is not close and when it is they go crazy either way hahah....must be lovevly pets i guess.
@@muratigentijan8911 That means that the hive mind and other higher tier creatures aren't close enough or aren't able to connect with the creature, sometimes they can be wounded so as to lose touch with the hive mind but it'd be rare, it's more likely the WAAAAAAGHH! caught them when they were under little surveillance from the hive mind and they would've gone mad and slaughtered anything they came across until captured and tamed through whatever means, the orks "I believe it so it will be" reality bending effect means they could also use technology to just 'block out' or neuter the Hive mind's command capabilities.
There was this Hive Fleet that took notice of one of the Scourge Stars, it took *one* bite out of the planet, and not only did it recoil out of shock and disgust, but the proboscis it uses for eating *immediately fucking melted off.*
reminded of the Ghoul Stars where a hive tendril went in and when the Tyranids came out, they all had PTSD. like what the hell is in there to just shatter the hive link?
@@TheSSBBfan666 ever since I heard about that I’ve literally thought about that everyday when I’ve been bored. Like what in the fuck gives PTSD to the fucking nids?
i imagine Nurgle could conjure up a disease that constantly mutates itself as it passes from host to host and the hivemind would constantly have to evolve to deal with it, kind of like the Flu
This would make the nids incredibly powerful. They would have to ramp up their evolution process so high that any threat that wasn’t nurgle, would immediately have forms adapted to destroy it within seconds. The nids could use this to gain more biomass by consuming the rest of the factions while simultaneously evolving the shadow of the warp so it not only blinds chaos, but consumes it as well. GW kinda messed up by adding tyranids because they’re entire play style revolves around using an enemy against itself. Kind of like in the incredibles where they get the giant robot to impale itself with its own claw because it was the only thing strong enough to penetrate its armor.
@@glassknife3383 I would argue against that, because the Tyranids only evolve to combat the current threat, and if they just focus all their energy on combatting a disease, they won't be able to focus their power onto other threats. From what I've seen so far on the lore of the Tyranids, they focus their might on whatever current threat is happening, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention how they've adapted to multiple issues at the exact same time. Just because they are ever evolving to combat a disease, doesn't mean they're just gonna suddenly start evolving rapidly for everything else. And if it does, everyone else has plot armor as well and they'll just match the power. 40K seems to be "LOOK HOW STRONG THIS GROUP IS" then the other groups say "Yo, me too!"
Hive fleets are able to react independently to the point they have specialties and tactical preferences, I’d imagine each can evolve independently too since when 2 of them meet the hive mind throws them at each other in Darwinian warfare
@Captainzilla418 Just a fraction of the splinter fleet would be enough to wipe out planet if it hit and there isint pretty much anything we could do against it and earth would be gold mine for them.
I love the fact that Nurgle is the only chaos God that could fight against the tyranids. Even if the disease causes the hive mind link to break, that itself would be huge
Tzeentch and Khorne could both conceivably have the various fleets turn on each other for whatever reasoning, but you'd still have one fleet left at the end of the day....
Interesting video. On a side note. The theory being the Tyranids were created to destroy the Chaos Gods in the warp by destroying all life normal space of the galaxy, while design to have those of the warp be blind to them. Kind of like collapsing a building by tunneling under the foundation. Though, it is clear the Chaos Gods have started to take notice of the Tyranids. The Chaos Gods do enjoy a challenge.
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That awesome to hear thats why we do it. GW hasn't explored nurgle tyranids since rogue trader but its something that has been explored by a lot of players.The important thing to keep in mind and something I wish I would have done a better job covering is that the tyranids infected by nurgle are just bioforms that have the symptoms of the disease not tyranids that actually venerate Nurgle. Hope that make sense
@@OneMindSyndicate Technically they have. When Ragnar became a space marine, one of the visions he experienced was fighting Tyranids corrupted by Nurgle, they were effectively "zombie" Tyranids as they were being puppeted by Chaos and not the Hivemind.
Ah yes, even the most resilient life forms can scummbing in one way or another, must’ve taken a while for nurgle to plan a whole scene like this! Reminds me of that hive fleet that went insane after going into the ghoul star sector
If Nurgle isn't careful, this means of using the Tyranids for his own ends could be his undoing. He's basically forcing Tyranids to mutate to adapt to a problem, but if it's not killing them and they can figure out how to co-exist or even use it to their own adavntage than they could use what they have to combine with other genetic designs and so on. If Nurgle can use his infection to speak to others, who is to say the Tyranids couldn't hijack the process for themselves. Their hive ships already have enough pyschic power to block out any near warp, witth their own pyschic link on a extra-galactic scale. So if they figured out how to 'jump in' on that communication, the Tyranids may be able to hijack Nurgle's own followers for their own ends. Way I see it, Nurgle is playing a very dangerous game.
Honestly everybody talks about papa nurgle being disgusted by Tyranids adaptability but at the same time I think the plague father has finally found a race that could truly appreciate his gifts and spread them.
Nurgle hates the change, that's why he hates also Tzeench probably the most. But it will be no strange if he hates nids too for the changes they made for his diseases
Theres a fun lore snippet in the death guard codex about a war between plague marines and Tyranids, end result is a planet of puke that instantly causes a hive ship to die
I remember i had some gripes with this channel back in the day , mostly because of the intonation of your voice when reading but now i feel like its gotten better and i have to say ive been sleeping on this you just earned another sub👍🏻
I've never known anything about Warhammer until I started listening to you! I've gotten countless books just got my chaos tattoo on my knee. Next my little nurglings. Keep up the outstanding work.
I’m not doing a nurgle nid army (thought about it), but I am currently making a nid/stealer/guard army for an aquatic cult that has taken over an ocean planet 🌎. It’s very Lovecraftian deeps ones-esque , with lotsa fins, tentacles 🦑, and feeder tentacles. Using a lot of idoneth deepkin models for the conversions. My first kitbashed unit I did was for my patriarch, cutting off the nid head and adding that awesome octopus from Lotan.
I guess this kind of answers my question. But I could have sworn there was a genestealer cult that was Nurgle corrupted but I didn’t know all that about actual tyranids, very well done.
There is. There is a small mention of it in the gene stealer cult book in one of the little beginning storyline excerpts. I believe it’s on one of the pages on the far right hand side. I’ll check my codex and confirm what page in a bit
@@OneMindSyndicate please do. A story on Cult Tenebrous would be rad, especially considering I almost decided to do that for my cult army instead of the aquatic home brew cult I did from a fully ocean world instead... ;)
I cant think of a more over powered villians tyranids with the power of nurgels gifts.this is more insane than a legion of blood thirsters and a corrupted angron and world eaters together.
The most exciting thing I see about this scenario is the inevitable head-to-head conflict of The Shadow in the Warp and the Chaos God Nurgle. Ultimately, I think this will lead to and be decided by that conflict.
I'll call Unicron... At least Unicron isn't affected by issues in the Warp. Since he's the Lord of Chaos. And warp infected Tyranids cannot reuse their own biomass because it becomes immaterium. A weakness to be designed out...
The Chaos vs. Nids stuff always makes me wonder if the Nids sheer psychic size in the warp might make a new god, like how the Eldarii made Slaanesh, could the Nids end up making a chaos God of hunger? Or maybe they already have?
Maybe they did? Then they consumed it leaving a giant shadow in the warp wherever they travel. Signs of a being of the immaterium consumed by the very creatures whose hunger called it into existence.
@@Fanrak-2700 I was referring to the ogres God "The Maw" That's a pre end times/aos setting of Warhammer. Idk what happens later on to that God. It's basically a gigantic alien mouth that crashed from outter space and the ogres decided to worship it and I thought it fit pretty well as a God of Hunger.
My imagination considering Nurgle-infected-Tyranids: ideas of Tyranids draped in a film of mushy-skin-like-mats of biofilm-yeasts synthesizing previously nonexistent discomforts like itching cringing soreness and cramps; plunging-infections pressurize to burst under softened armor; ulcers fill with pulsing weeping active-decomposers, who unlike rippers, aim for new hosts to partially enter and rot them alive, till docile to either Tyranid control or Nurgle's-service.
Ou since you mentioned homebrew I'm beginning to look into getting my very first army and for fun I happened to be thinking like Khorn guys who we're trapped and decimated by Tyranids since chaos suffers so much that they're basically reduced to near mere guardsmen without the warp. But nonetheless these being Khorn guys they make a big go of it and enough form up a band that'll be of course the minis (say, 2000 points worth?) And they've managed to form a crusade to eliminate Tyranids for the blood god even though he entirely cares nothing for their skulls, eventually they figure they'll kill the hive mind and the disruption of the warp would leave, and the handful left would take quite a lot of chaos upgrades once they get back in contact for all their non-warp chaos heroics. I figure I'll have to massage fluff to make it fit and obviously wouldn't be a very good army to actually play against anyone in any competitive capacity, just for funsies. Oh by the by my wife says my budget is about $25 to $30
It’s crazy how deep and immersive the lore of 40K can get. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a movie made yet. But then again I don’t think any Hollywood director can live up to it, maybe Ridley Scott or Guillermo del Toro can collaborate and give us something close to worth watching.
@@inthefade depends what story they choose to tell - but for most a series would be better - Gaunt’s Ghosts done like band of brothers is still my dream
Del Toro gets my vote, but as far as a movie goes it'd have to be self contained. Kinda like Event Horizon ISN'T officially part of 40k, but it wouldn't be a stretch if it was just a story about one of the millions of ships that were lost to the void. Basically something that can easily stand on its own and get reception for what it is, while at the very least feeling "inspired" by 40k. Unfortunately those days of movie making are long dead and if there were a Warhammer live action movie it'd either be Starcraft'd or low budget syfy.
It's worth pointing out that whilst Nurgle does technically "brew" pathogens in a cauldron as if he were in a lab with a centrifuge, working on manipulating actual DNA/RNA to develop traditional physical diseases that can and do transmit through traditional means (air/blood/touch, etc), his corruption is also metaphysical. He doesn't need to rely solely on the physical transmission of disease for it to spread. Under and in certain scenario's the influence of the warp is stronger than in others so it basically becomes a battle of minds to keep corruption from manifesting directly through the warp. If a splinter fleet were to enter a particularly strong manifested warp storm it probably wouldn't be strong enough to emit enough of a shadow to keep its affects at bay. Which is to say there's no reason a fleet couldn't spontaneously become infected via random contact with the immaterium.
The Shadow in the Warp, the Tyranid Hive Mind, is basically a Warp god itself. To effectively take over tyranids, Nurgle might have to displace the Hive Mind in that role.
Nurgle should take inspiration from plauge inc. Aka make a desise that's undetectable allowing it to spread from one high fleet to another before activating it
In all my years of immersing myself in 40k lore, there have always been two possible conclusions to the Great Game lingering in the back of my mind. One being that the Tyranids reach Terra and finally destabilize the Imperium. And the second being that Nurgle's followers slowly but surely turn every single world in the galaxy into a Plague Planet, winning the Great Game through pure attrition over millennia. This video gives me pause though. Interesting food for thought.
The truth is Grandfather Nurgle in he's endless love he just wants to play with the tyranids aka lost space puppys! He has nothing to gain no souls or nada he's just wants to adopt those lovely stray space 🐶!❤❤❤ We are so blessed 🙏 to witness he's Kindness in the endless dark space.
As someone who loves horror games such as Dead Space, Resident Evil, and grotesque body horror, my idea for a Nurgle Tyranid hybrid combines all of the worst aspects of Necromorph, the Golgotha Virus, the Tyrant Virus, and the Drain Deimos, plus the body of a Tyranid. And then add in the Destroyer Plague, the Walking Pox, the Zombie Plague, the Chortling Murrain, and all of the Grandfather's other glorious creations. Pure nightmare fuel. Well then! I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight!
Based. Chaos should in stratigic terms be targeting tyranids, the shadow over the warp essentually cuts the link between mortals and the warp upon aprroach. The tryanids are basicly tossing the gods food in the trash right b4 the dinner bell rings.
Had a Dark Heresy game (last campaign of a trilogy, so everyone high level, one of us got promoted to Inquisitor), the ultimate plot was a nurgle cult who wanted to perform a ritual to infect a hive fleet about to attack with the taint of Nurgle. So first we had to stop the cult then, co-ordinate the defences of the system against the Hive Fleet and take out its main connections. We exterminatus-ed a planet, a good time was had by all.
My head cannon infection method The imperium captured a single nid 2 nurgel cultists broke into the cell one sacrificed themselves the other freeded the nid which then returnend to the hive fleet
The next month should be Dismember. A raging catalog of the most violent clashes in the 40k universe both on tabletop and in lore. Give tabletop a bit of time to shine and highlights for truly epic games 👍
Glad to help! Honestly I dont know why this wasn't a bigger issue when GW was covering the plague wars. They focus way too much on human lore and not enough on xeno vs xeno
The fact that Nurgle was successful in infecting a Hive Fleet and mutated them into his own puppets is bone chilling yet refreshing. The Tyranids are usually seen as the unstoppable nom nom bugs that are rarely defeated in battle, and it feels so nice for a different force to be able to beat them. Not saying that nobody else has defeated the Tyranids before, but this is just extremely refreshing. Though of course, there were other scenarios. Like how the Tau outsmarted that one Tyranid Hivefleet that one time. Or at the Devastation of Baal where the Tyranids and the Hivemind were smacked across the face by the opening of the Great Rift and then were stabbed in the heart by Ka'Bandha and his daemonic incursion at Baal, with the Warp devouring thousands of Tyranid Hive ships and probably killing hundreds and hundreds of millions to billions of Tyranids in a matter of seconds. Or how the Necrons on multiple occasions surprises the Tyranids before curbing them with their op technology. And the Imperium's plot armor telling the Tyranids no and defeat them somehow.
This is my first video of the channel. I really appreciate the amount of images that seem to relate to what is being said, other channels have some images but you can tell they're expecting people to listen whereas I want to watch and see what is being explained. Granted I'm less than 5 minutes into the video but I'm already looking forward to the rest of it, I hope there are more like it. Although I would prefer like 1 hour+ long videos in this style but I can't even begin to imagine how much work that would be. Just finding enough images covering specifically described things and settings would be a nightmare. 😄👍
Shadow in the warp preventing chaos gods of seeing how big the fleet is/how many ships there are... hmmm... I mean the hive mind controls the size of the shadow? Or is it just proportionally bigger/smaller depending on the amount of ships present?🤔🤔
Thank you for always uploading so many passionate 40k videos, it must be hard to do so often, I hope the Channel grows more faster and I wonder if you would ever cover battletech, and if you did, if you’ll cover more.
Thank you very much! As we continue to grow we will venture out into other games like battle tech. Thanks for the comment and dont forget to share with your friends so we can grow even faster.
This idea might be a little...out there, but hear me out. Here is an idea that I just came up with on how to do Nurgle Tyranids, although this is done in a subtle way. I think there are some examples of Nurgle plagues that attack the soul as much as they do the body, giving Nurgle a way in to whisper to those infected. Honestly a genius move from Nurgle would be to create a disease that doesn't affect the Tyranids, so it is ignored or goes amiss as it doesn't do anything to them and hides within their biology. And this disease is held dormant inside the bodily fluids of the tyranids; saliva, blood, venom, anything. This infection only comes about when these fluids come into contact with another organism; a bite that leaves tyranid saliva behind, getting splattered with blood, injected with venom, etc. What happens then is that this disease mutates explosively, overwhelming the tyranid DNA left behind and infecting the host. I can't say for sure what will happen because the vectors of infection are different and thus the symptoms are as varied and adaptive as the tyranids themselves. But the end result is the same; a bloated mass of Nurgle-infected flesh that also bears some tyranid traits as well, but these have just been hijacked by the Grandfather and used for his own purposes. Some results could include, but are not limited to... -An arm that shoots toxic flesh borers that carry Nurgle's plagues within them -A creature sprouting a new pair of scything claws that look tyranid-like, but drip with chaos-corrupted toxins -A bloated monstrosity that vomits a highly toxic bile that is also swimming with tiny little insects that seek to eat you alive. If the toxic vomit doesn't get you, the secondary payload of bugs will. -Even plants are not safe, as perhaps a bed of flowers splattered with this blood will wilt and then develop the ability to shoot venomous barbs at any life form that gets close. -Trees being awakened like the ents of Tolkien folklore, but becoming lumbering mounds of rotten wood and twisted flesh all mingled together in a repulsive union. This is Nurgle essentially using the tyranids to spread his contagions in a subtle way. So while it isn't as simple as simply Nurgle infecting the tyranids directly, it is instead Nurgle infecting other people by USING tyranids to do it...the result being a horrendous mixture of human, tyranid, and Nurgle
It changes all the time. I remember when the shadow in the warp was basically a giant null feild generated by Tyranids because they evolved to be psychic blanks and had their own special chi powers rather than traditional warp psychers. Always kindov preferd that version. Either that or nurgle is lazy and not very chaos if he just stopped at one hive fleet.
It would be quite an entertaining and interesting conflict if Chaos and the Tyranid hive fleet Leviathan clashed in a battle where neither of them gain anything but glory!
The artwork is always amazing. From the insane scale of everything to the creative twists and perversions of machinery and flesh. Here they give disease and pus it's own form. Tyranids are as hardcore as always. A violent force of flesh and matter. And what's usually the chtulhu horror is itself being invaded and threatened by a smiling fatass. It's always as great as the quality of the art.
Back in the day you could have Khorne worshiping Genestealer cults, but I think that was before they ret-conned genestealers to be related to Tyranids.
Off topic but its a question thats bugging me. If a standard Astaties encountered a Grey Knight, would they go the way of standard guard or do they not get "debriefed"?
Before the opening of the Great rift, any astartes outside of high ranking personnel like chapter masters and the like were mind wiped after fighting chaos/meeting a grey knight. But since the opening of the Great rift, they've stopped doing it because literally every chapter out there has met grey knights and faced chaos daemons
Using synapse creatures could be the potential infection/affliction or weakness point for diversity of chaos influenced nids as well as the nutrient pools. Would make nid incursion into the warp more interesting
Nids can't enter in the warp or the connection with the hive mind will fail, that's why the shadow on the warp helps them a lot, not only as a camouflage to psychic powers, but also to null those powers. This is another reason why the response of the hive mind to the warp is the hive fleet Chronos, they can close warp portals with the shadow of the warp while fighting demons in the distance, only restoring biomass when it's necessary.
Pretty sure the genestealer cults don't make it very long once the Hive fleet arrives. By that time the patriarch is long gone with some purestrain stealers. The tyranids ally with the cult to begin with but it doesn't last long.
The most terrifying thing is best case scenario, papa nurgle makes something that can wipe out the Tyranids, worst case they just perpetually make each other stronger.
thats exatky what will happen, same thing with the waarg with Tyranids and Orcs....the Tyranids got stronger bcuz they had nearly infinte bio mass and new strong Orc gen and the orcs well the orcs they died till they learned how to beat them.
@@muratigentijan8911 the orcs are now using captured Tyranids as mounts for battle. How badass is that?
@@hexkwondo that indeed is baddass but how do they keep them on a leash when the tyranids attack, usually they behave like animals when the hive is not close and when it is they go crazy either way hahah....must be lovevly pets i guess.
@@muratigentijan8911 That means that the hive mind and other higher tier creatures aren't close enough or aren't able to connect with the creature, sometimes they can be wounded so as to lose touch with the hive mind but it'd be rare, it's more likely the WAAAAAAGHH! caught them when they were under little surveillance from the hive mind and they would've gone mad and slaughtered anything they came across until captured and tamed through whatever means, the orks "I believe it so it will be" reality bending effect means they could also use technology to just 'block out' or neuter the Hive mind's command capabilities.
@@muratigentijan8911 they believe they tamed them
The hivemind: I can adapt and survive anything!
Papa Nurgle: so i took that personally...
You should see the battle of shadowbrink, the tyranids took nurgle’s diseases like they were nothing
@@headcrabo..2301 They just like "get that root shit out of here"
*SHADOW IN THE WARP INTENSEFIES*
time for slaanesh to step in
@@headcrabo..2301 well, that's just what he loves most, a good challenge. It's back again to the disease-mixing cauldron for him.
Nurgle-Tzeentch teamup!
Nurgle : makes the most complicated type of deases
Tyrannids : *kof*
Cough
Cough kof cough
The hive mind: f#ck off *sends hive fleet kronos*
Nurgle after some adaptative bullshittery: *GET OUT OF MY LAWN*
There was this Hive Fleet that took notice of one of the Scourge Stars, it took *one* bite out of the planet, and not only did it recoil out of shock and disgust, but the proboscis it uses for eating *immediately fucking melted off.*
Blegh what was that 😂😂😂
The rest of the fleet also immediately opened fire on the hive ship that took that courtesy bite to make sure it can’t infect any others.
reminded of the Ghoul Stars where a hive tendril went in and when the Tyranids came out, they all had PTSD. like what the hell is in there to just shatter the hive link?
@@TheSSBBfan666 ever since I heard about that I’ve literally thought about that everyday when I’ve been bored. Like what in the fuck gives PTSD to the fucking nids?
i imagine Nurgle could conjure up a disease that constantly mutates itself as it passes from host to host and the hivemind would constantly have to evolve to deal with it, kind of like the Flu
This would make the nids incredibly powerful. They would have to ramp up their evolution process so high that any threat that wasn’t nurgle, would immediately have forms adapted to destroy it within seconds. The nids could use this to gain more biomass by consuming the rest of the factions while simultaneously evolving the shadow of the warp so it not only blinds chaos, but consumes it as well. GW kinda messed up by adding tyranids because they’re entire play style revolves around using an enemy against itself. Kind of like in the incredibles where they get the giant robot to impale itself with its own claw because it was the only thing strong enough to penetrate its armor.
@@glassknife3383 I would argue against that, because the Tyranids only evolve to combat the current threat, and if they just focus all their energy on combatting a disease, they won't be able to focus their power onto other threats. From what I've seen so far on the lore of the Tyranids, they focus their might on whatever current threat is happening, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention how they've adapted to multiple issues at the exact same time.
Just because they are ever evolving to combat a disease, doesn't mean they're just gonna suddenly start evolving rapidly for everything else. And if it does, everyone else has plot armor as well and they'll just match the power.
40K seems to be "LOOK HOW STRONG THIS GROUP IS" then the other groups say "Yo, me too!"
@@anthon0360 fair point
Hive fleets are able to react independently to the point they have specialties and tactical preferences, I’d imagine each can evolve independently too since when 2 of them meet the hive mind throws them at each other in Darwinian warfare
Just give them a tummy ache or heart burn and they’re done for
I would shit my pants if tyranids laughed as they attacked their enemies
I would shit my pants if tyranids attacked period
@Captainzilla418 Just a fraction of the splinter fleet would be enough to wipe out planet if it hit and there isint pretty much anything we could do against it and earth would be gold mine for them.
I love the fact that Nurgle is the only chaos God that could fight against the tyranids. Even if the disease causes the hive mind link to break, that itself would be huge
Not in truth... Give the tyranids the singularity matrix, then all will witness true terror. Eternal assimilation until all are one.
💯agree... 👍
Tzeentch and Khorne could both conceivably have the various fleets turn on each other for whatever reasoning, but you'd still have one fleet left at the end of the day....
Sex pervert tyranids is not a thing we are ready for
The Guard: "CAN WE GET A SINGLE FUCKING BREAK!? LOOK AT THIS SHIT!"
Tyranid: I am adaptable and know a thing or two about viruses
Papa Nurgle: hold still whilst I spit in your face
Slaanesh: What am I sloppy seconds!?
Legions of Iron: "Impressive... For a temporary God... Now, existence shall be overwritten."
Great topic. I imagine it’s hard sometimes to create new content when you’ve covered so much over the years.
It really is, a lot of the time I dont know if we've cover it before or not
Laughing Tyranids was the scariest part.
Interesting video.
On a side note. The theory being the Tyranids were created to destroy the Chaos Gods in the warp by destroying all life normal space of the galaxy, while design to have those of the warp be blind to them. Kind of like collapsing a building by tunneling under the foundation.
Though, it is clear the Chaos Gods have started to take notice of the Tyranids. The Chaos Gods do enjoy a challenge.
I like the one pic on Abathur in there, he's basically an honourary Tyranid. XD
This can't REALLY be a thing right?! I got my introduction to WH40k years ago from this channel. I'm working on my second army now, after years of gaming and exploring lore. I've never really made it back frankly to thank you guys for my early exposure to this universe. It's awesome to see you guys still at it ♥️
That awesome to hear thats why we do it. GW hasn't explored nurgle tyranids since rogue trader but its something that has been explored by a lot of players.The important thing to keep in mind and something I wish I would have done a better job covering is that the tyranids infected by nurgle are just bioforms that have the symptoms of the disease not tyranids that actually venerate Nurgle. Hope that make sense
@@OneMindSyndicate Nids with the great Despair Gifts of Pappy Nurgle = pack up all the boys, get the guard outta there EXTERMINATUS time.
@@OneMindSyndicate Technically they have. When Ragnar became a space marine, one of the visions he experienced was fighting Tyranids corrupted by Nurgle, they were effectively "zombie" Tyranids as they were being puppeted by Chaos and not the Hivemind.
Nono, its a homebrew idea.
@@Makorze Hey can I have the source of this vision? A name of the book would be appreciated.
Ah yes, even the most resilient life forms can scummbing in one way or another, must’ve taken a while for nurgle to plan a whole scene like this! Reminds me of that hive fleet that went insane after going into the ghoul star sector
Source....
If Nurgle isn't careful, this means of using the Tyranids for his own ends could be his undoing.
He's basically forcing Tyranids to mutate to adapt to a problem, but if it's not killing them and they can figure out how to co-exist or even use it to their own adavntage than they could use what they have to combine with other genetic designs and so on. If Nurgle can use his infection to speak to others, who is to say the Tyranids couldn't hijack the process for themselves. Their hive ships already have enough pyschic power to block out any near warp, witth their own pyschic link on a extra-galactic scale.
So if they figured out how to 'jump in' on that communication, the Tyranids may be able to hijack Nurgle's own followers for their own ends. Way I see it, Nurgle is playing a very dangerous game.
imagine Tzeench Tyranids.
A group of scheming tyranids would be wild.
they are just a hive mind
@@Biodeamoncould be genestealers their somewhat independent
Slaanesh tyranid....sexy bugs
You must be thinking of Patriarchs? They're a strange creature @toawing
@@gavinziozios1431 I thought each genestealer was at least potentially independent.
Don't they become patriarchs in the right circumstances?
Honestly everybody talks about papa nurgle being disgusted by Tyranids adaptability but at the same time I think the plague father has finally found a race that could truly appreciate his gifts and spread them.
Since most of his children (not pure ones) often die out.
Nurgle hates the change, that's why he hates also Tzeench probably the most. But it will be no strange if he hates nids too for the changes they made for his diseases
Theres a fun lore snippet in the death guard codex about a war between plague marines and Tyranids, end result is a planet of puke that instantly causes a hive ship to die
I love how Abathur was snuck into this video. While I lost respect for Zerg after discovering Tyranids, Abathur will always be special.
6:45 Abathur was really upset when primal zergs begin to assimilate his own creations, now imagine him watching himself in the archives of tyranids
Same source :)
WHO WOULD DISLIKE THIS ?! OH WAIT EVERYONE !!! STICKY NIDS
Guardsmen astartes the whole imperium
Chill
Sticky anything is terrifying
If we thought Tyranids and Nurgle were bad on their own this came along and proved us all wrong...
I feel like an opportunity to call them Nurglenids or Tyranurgles was missed.
I remember i had some gripes with this channel back in the day , mostly because of the intonation of your voice when reading but now i feel like its gotten better and i have to say ive been sleeping on this you just earned another sub👍🏻
I've never known anything about Warhammer until I started listening to you! I've gotten countless books just got my chaos tattoo on my knee. Next my little nurglings. Keep up the outstanding work.
Damn your fall was a quick one... Welcome cultist! The slaaneshi bar Is two blocks on the left!
I’m not doing a nurgle nid army (thought about it), but I am currently making a nid/stealer/guard army for an aquatic cult that has taken over an ocean planet 🌎.
It’s very Lovecraftian deeps ones-esque , with lotsa fins, tentacles 🦑, and feeder tentacles. Using a lot of idoneth deepkin models for the conversions. My first kitbashed unit I did was for my patriarch, cutting off the nid head and adding that awesome octopus from Lotan.
Based
That sounds epic!
Watch "Cold Skin"!
That sounds fucking awesome!
6:43 lol love the use of Abathur from Starcraft2. Great example of adaptation.
I guess this kind of answers my question. But I could have sworn there was a genestealer cult that was Nurgle corrupted but I didn’t know all that about actual tyranids, very well done.
I haven't heard of the cult but ill look into it. There is still a possibility that I might do genestealer cult infected by nurgle
There is. There is a small mention of it in the gene stealer cult book in one of the little beginning storyline excerpts. I believe it’s on one of the pages on the far right hand side. I’ll check my codex and confirm what page in a bit
@@OneMindSyndicate please do. A story on Cult Tenebrous would be rad, especially considering I almost decided to do that for my cult army instead of the aquatic home brew cult I did from a fully ocean world instead... ;)
I cant think of a more over powered villians tyranids with the power of nurgels gifts.this is more insane than a legion of blood thirsters and a corrupted angron and world eaters together.
This is why I’d rather send a hive fleet into the warp and park them near Khorne’s territory. Let the eternal ear keep both sides entertained.
The most exciting thing I see about this scenario is the inevitable head-to-head conflict of The Shadow in the Warp and the Chaos God Nurgle. Ultimately, I think this will lead to and be decided by that conflict.
I'll call Unicron... At least Unicron isn't affected by issues in the Warp. Since he's the Lord of Chaos.
And warp infected Tyranids cannot reuse their own biomass because it becomes immaterium.
A weakness to be designed out...
The Chaos vs. Nids stuff always makes me wonder if the Nids sheer psychic size in the warp might make a new god, like how the Eldarii made Slaanesh, could the Nids end up making a chaos God of hunger? Or maybe they already have?
Maybe they did? Then they consumed it leaving a giant shadow in the warp wherever they travel.
Signs of a being of the immaterium consumed by the very creatures whose hunger called it into existence.
The hivemind is their God
The maw of 40k
@@naboost9485 keep that mess of an Expansion Out of 40k....Warcraft is a burning ship we dont need another
@@Fanrak-2700 I was referring to the ogres God "The Maw" That's a pre end times/aos setting of Warhammer. Idk what happens later on to that God.
It's basically a gigantic alien mouth that crashed from outter space and the ogres decided to worship it and I thought it fit pretty well as a God of Hunger.
My imagination considering Nurgle-infected-Tyranids: ideas of Tyranids draped in a film of mushy-skin-like-mats of biofilm-yeasts synthesizing previously nonexistent discomforts like itching cringing soreness and cramps; plunging-infections pressurize to burst under softened armor; ulcers fill with pulsing weeping active-decomposers, who unlike rippers, aim for new hosts to partially enter and rot them alive, till docile to either Tyranid control or Nurgle's-service.
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More chaos vs Tyranid content would be great!!!
I might do all four chaos gods and their influence on the nids
@@OneMindSyndicate
Looking forward to it! Chaos vs nids isn't something we see often that should be confrontations that are widespread in the lore.
Right, especially now with the great rift
Ou since you mentioned homebrew I'm beginning to look into getting my very first army and for fun I happened to be thinking like Khorn guys who we're trapped and decimated by Tyranids since chaos suffers so much that they're basically reduced to near mere guardsmen without the warp. But nonetheless these being Khorn guys they make a big go of it and enough form up a band that'll be of course the minis (say, 2000 points worth?) And they've managed to form a crusade to eliminate Tyranids for the blood god even though he entirely cares nothing for their skulls, eventually they figure they'll kill the hive mind and the disruption of the warp would leave, and the handful left would take quite a lot of chaos upgrades once they get back in contact for all their non-warp chaos heroics. I figure I'll have to massage fluff to make it fit and obviously wouldn't be a very good army to actually play against anyone in any competitive capacity, just for funsies. Oh by the by my wife says my budget is about $25 to $30
One of my favorite topics
Yay! Nurgle made a plague strong enough to kill the tyranids!
_Oh no_ ... Nurgle made a plague strong enough to kill the tyranids...
Nothing is unaffected! No one is safe! Give yourself to the grandfather's warm glow. Embrace his gifts and find contempt. HAIL NURGLE!!
It’s crazy how deep and immersive the lore of 40K can get. I’m surprised there hasn’t been a movie made yet. But then again I don’t think any Hollywood director can live up to it, maybe Ridley Scott or Guillermo del Toro can collaborate and give us something close to worth watching.
A rich smokers dream
Denis Villeneuve
I doubt if it would translate well. Too much really important information to pack into a movie.
@@inthefade depends what story they choose to tell - but for most a series would be better - Gaunt’s Ghosts done like band of brothers is still my dream
Del Toro gets my vote, but as far as a movie goes it'd have to be self contained. Kinda like Event Horizon ISN'T officially part of 40k, but it wouldn't be a stretch if it was just a story about one of the millions of ships that were lost to the void. Basically something that can easily stand on its own and get reception for what it is, while at the very least feeling "inspired" by 40k. Unfortunately those days of movie making are long dead and if there were a Warhammer live action movie it'd either be Starcraft'd or low budget syfy.
It's worth pointing out that whilst Nurgle does technically "brew" pathogens in a cauldron as if he were in a lab with a centrifuge, working on manipulating actual DNA/RNA to develop traditional physical diseases that can and do transmit through traditional means (air/blood/touch, etc), his corruption is also metaphysical. He doesn't need to rely solely on the physical transmission of disease for it to spread. Under and in certain scenario's the influence of the warp is stronger than in others so it basically becomes a battle of minds to keep corruption from manifesting directly through the warp. If a splinter fleet were to enter a particularly strong manifested warp storm it probably wouldn't be strong enough to emit enough of a shadow to keep its affects at bay. Which is to say there's no reason a fleet couldn't spontaneously become infected via random contact with the immaterium.
The Shadow in the Warp, the Tyranid Hive Mind, is basically a Warp god itself. To effectively take over tyranids, Nurgle might have to displace the Hive Mind in that role.
Very cool. The impact of Chaos on Tyranids needs to be further explored...the great devourer may have bit off more than it can chew.
It's just a flesh wound
More space for papa to bless us with his many gifts.
You've only evolved your enemies. Not to stall it.
Nurgle should take inspiration from plauge inc. Aka make a desise that's undetectable allowing it to spread from one high fleet to another before activating it
In all my years of immersing myself in 40k lore, there have always been two possible conclusions to the Great Game lingering in the back of my mind. One being that the Tyranids reach Terra and finally destabilize the Imperium. And the second being that Nurgle's followers slowly but surely turn every single world in the galaxy into a Plague Planet, winning the Great Game through pure attrition over millennia. This video gives me pause though. Interesting food for thought.
The truth is Grandfather Nurgle in he's endless love he just wants to play with the tyranids aka lost space puppys!
He has nothing to gain no souls or nada he's just wants to adopt those lovely stray space 🐶!❤❤❤
We are so blessed 🙏 to witness he's Kindness in the endless dark space.
Really like this new format. Love the channel, keep up the good work
Can Tzeetch take over the hive mind? Isn't his genius so great that he could just outsmart or mind control every Tyranid out there?
not if slaanesh charms them first
Chaos doesn't see the Tyranids, they are protected by the shadow in the warp
Tyranids don't really have the complexity of thought to sustain Tzeentch. They don't plan or plot - they simply respond.
As someone who loves horror games such as Dead Space, Resident Evil, and grotesque body horror, my idea for a Nurgle Tyranid hybrid combines all of the worst aspects of Necromorph, the Golgotha Virus, the Tyrant Virus, and the Drain Deimos, plus the body of a Tyranid. And then add in the Destroyer Plague, the Walking Pox, the Zombie Plague, the Chortling Murrain, and all of the Grandfather's other glorious creations. Pure nightmare fuel. Well then! I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight!
As I recall khorne has also gotten some nids on occasion
Wow this by far is my favorite lore video you have made. Great job.
OneMindrulesthemall....
That blows my mind how Nurgle enjoys such huge advantages over the Tyranids.
its just a game its not real
@@mexus9612 IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!
@@detyelram2819 sry i literally just wanted to troll, but your reaction is hilarious
Eh... No... Nurgle is only stalling for time. His actions aid in evolution.
Death and Life is nothing but stones for Tyranids to master.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615Exactly.
that's the thing i love about warhammer 40k lore:
while still following a basic framework, you can make it your own unique take on it
Based. Chaos should in stratigic terms be targeting tyranids, the shadow over the warp essentually cuts the link between mortals and the warp upon aprroach. The tryanids are basicly tossing the gods food in the trash right b4 the dinner bell rings.
Had a Dark Heresy game (last campaign of a trilogy, so everyone high level, one of us got promoted to Inquisitor), the ultimate plot was a nurgle cult who wanted to perform a ritual to infect a hive fleet about to attack with the taint of Nurgle. So first we had to stop the cult then, co-ordinate the defences of the system against the Hive Fleet and take out its main connections. We exterminatus-ed a planet, a good time was had by all.
My head cannon infection method
The imperium captured a single nid 2 nurgel cultists broke into the cell one sacrificed themselves the other freeded the nid which then returnend to the hive fleet
Glad to see you guys upgraded your production quality.
The next month should be Dismember. A raging catalog of the most violent clashes in the 40k universe both on tabletop and in lore. Give tabletop a bit of time to shine and highlights for truly epic games 👍
That sounds like an awesome idea, I can redo the badab war
My 6th year in the lore...and this is new to me...!!! Eldar goddess Ischa sounds even more useful now.... Thanks guys for this one...
Glad to help! Honestly I dont know why this wasn't a bigger issue when GW was covering the plague wars. They focus way too much on human lore and not enough on xeno vs xeno
Great Scott! That scenario would be a terrifying checkmate for Nurgle. Fcking Game OVER😳
Yeah, the only thing it would need is to figure out how to use the tyranid hive mind to collectively empower him
This was a great watch, so strange and scary yet fascinating :) Thank you.
The fact that Nurgle was successful in infecting a Hive Fleet and mutated them into his own puppets is bone chilling yet refreshing. The Tyranids are usually seen as the unstoppable nom nom bugs that are rarely defeated in battle, and it feels so nice for a different force to be able to beat them. Not saying that nobody else has defeated the Tyranids before, but this is just extremely refreshing.
Though of course, there were other scenarios. Like how the Tau outsmarted that one Tyranid Hivefleet that one time. Or at the Devastation of Baal where the Tyranids and the Hivemind were smacked across the face by the opening of the Great Rift and then were stabbed in the heart by Ka'Bandha and his daemonic incursion at Baal, with the Warp devouring thousands of Tyranid Hive ships and probably killing hundreds and hundreds of millions to billions of Tyranids in a matter of seconds.
Or how the Necrons on multiple occasions surprises the Tyranids before curbing them with their op technology.
And the Imperium's plot armor telling the Tyranids no and defeat them somehow.
Love it ! Nurgle is my main army but I love Nids as well :)
I play Tyranids and Death Guard because I like both
The concept between nurgle and the tyranids in the video and overall analysis gives me the unbreakable shield vs the all piercing spear vibe
When one cultist group touches another with a great blessing
25 years ago, at the Games Workshop Nuremberg, me, the staff and a few others theorized about "Chaos 'Nids".
Looks like the others were right.
You could do one where tzeentch and nurgle work together and tzeentch psychically block the great devourer while nurgle infects the Tyranids.
Tyranurgs? Man, that's a scary idea
This is my first video of the channel. I really appreciate the amount of images that seem to relate to what is being said, other channels have some images but you can tell they're expecting people to listen whereas I want to watch and see what is being explained.
Granted I'm less than 5 minutes into the video but I'm already looking forward to the rest of it, I hope there are more like it. Although I would prefer like 1 hour+ long videos in this style but I can't even begin to imagine how much work that would be. Just finding enough images covering specifically described things and settings would be a nightmare.
😄👍
Oh yeah it would take forever but I appreciate the kind words
Like how mitochondria have been incorporated into our cells despite having separate DNA
"Tyanids."
"BUT WAIT, IT GETS WORSE."
"Worse?"
Shadow in the warp preventing chaos gods of seeing how big the fleet is/how many ships there are... hmmm... I mean the hive mind controls the size of the shadow? Or is it just proportionally bigger/smaller depending on the amount of ships present?🤔🤔
Never knew this was a possibility, thank you for the video. I like the new format too!
It make the nids scarier, glad you liked it!
the ultimate singularity of flesh
Thank you for always uploading so many passionate 40k videos, it must be hard to do so often, I hope the Channel grows more faster and I wonder if you would ever cover battletech, and if you did, if you’ll cover more.
Thank you very much! As we continue to grow we will venture out into other games like battle tech. Thanks for the comment and dont forget to share with your friends so we can grow even faster.
A fun video. I like the changes to your format. Keep up the good work guys :)
Exponential improvement vs exponential entropy is scary as hell.
All praise to Grandfather Nurgle!!!!
I’d never play nurgle or chaos for that matter but I love the lore way more with nurgle than any other
This idea might be a little...out there, but hear me out. Here is an idea that I just came up with on how to do Nurgle Tyranids, although this is done in a subtle way. I think there are some examples of Nurgle plagues that attack the soul as much as they do the body, giving Nurgle a way in to whisper to those infected. Honestly a genius move from Nurgle would be to create a disease that doesn't affect the Tyranids, so it is ignored or goes amiss as it doesn't do anything to them and hides within their biology. And this disease is held dormant inside the bodily fluids of the tyranids; saliva, blood, venom, anything. This infection only comes about when these fluids come into contact with another organism; a bite that leaves tyranid saliva behind, getting splattered with blood, injected with venom, etc.
What happens then is that this disease mutates explosively, overwhelming the tyranid DNA left behind and infecting the host. I can't say for sure what will happen because the vectors of infection are different and thus the symptoms are as varied and adaptive as the tyranids themselves. But the end result is the same; a bloated mass of Nurgle-infected flesh that also bears some tyranid traits as well, but these have just been hijacked by the Grandfather and used for his own purposes.
Some results could include, but are not limited to...
-An arm that shoots toxic flesh borers that carry Nurgle's plagues within them
-A creature sprouting a new pair of scything claws that look tyranid-like, but drip with chaos-corrupted toxins
-A bloated monstrosity that vomits a highly toxic bile that is also swimming with tiny little insects that seek to eat you alive. If the toxic vomit doesn't get you, the secondary payload of bugs will.
-Even plants are not safe, as perhaps a bed of flowers splattered with this blood will wilt and then develop the ability to shoot venomous barbs at any life form that gets close.
-Trees being awakened like the ents of Tolkien folklore, but becoming lumbering mounds of rotten wood and twisted flesh all mingled together in a repulsive union.
This is Nurgle essentially using the tyranids to spread his contagions in a subtle way. So while it isn't as simple as simply Nurgle infecting the tyranids directly, it is instead Nurgle infecting other people by USING tyranids to do it...the result being a horrendous mixture of human, tyranid, and Nurgle
To think - a Gene Stealer could feel such fear...
so nurgel basikly wants a chalenge
It changes all the time. I remember when the shadow in the warp was basically a giant null feild generated by Tyranids because they evolved to be psychic blanks and had their own special chi powers rather than traditional warp psychers. Always kindov preferd that version.
Either that or nurgle is lazy and not very chaos if he just stopped at one hive fleet.
Love your content and makes me want to play as death guard a lot more keep your content coming my friend
Tissue great tho super super rare for tyranids to be infected I still think tyranids are the alpha predator of the entire universe
2:51 Dunno wtf is this but it seems quite painful
It would be quite an entertaining and interesting conflict if Chaos and the Tyranid hive fleet Leviathan clashed in a battle where neither of them gain anything but glory!
The pic at 6:39 is actually a zerg named Abathur :P
Necron will become heroes of warhammer if chaos beat spacemarine , nurgle assimilate the tyranid and other xeno expand his territory
The artwork is always amazing. From the insane scale of everything to the creative twists and perversions of machinery and flesh. Here they give disease and pus it's own form.
Tyranids are as hardcore as always. A violent force of flesh and matter. And what's usually the chtulhu horror is itself being invaded and threatened by a smiling fatass.
It's always as great as the quality of the art.
Back in the day you could have Khorne worshiping Genestealer cults, but I think that was before they ret-conned genestealers to be related to Tyranids.
Not Nurgle, but i want to make my tyranids as varied as i can, including steel-built, Necron-like Carnifex.
We have “Nurgle Tyranids” in Halo…
*_They’re called “The Flood”._*
Off topic but its a question thats bugging me.
If a standard Astaties encountered a Grey Knight, would they go the way of standard guard or do they not get "debriefed"?
Before the opening of the Great rift, any astartes outside of high ranking personnel like chapter masters and the like were mind wiped after fighting chaos/meeting a grey knight. But since the opening of the Great rift, they've stopped doing it because literally every chapter out there has met grey knights and faced chaos daemons
Using synapse creatures could be the potential infection/affliction or weakness point for diversity of chaos influenced nids as well as the nutrient pools. Would make nid incursion into the warp more interesting
thats a possibility
Nids can't enter in the warp or the connection with the hive mind will fail, that's why the shadow on the warp helps them a lot, not only as a camouflage to psychic powers, but also to null those powers. This is another reason why the response of the hive mind to the warp is the hive fleet Chronos, they can close warp portals with the shadow of the warp while fighting demons in the distance, only restoring biomass when it's necessary.
Can you please leave some sources linked or referenced in your description? Hard to find anything about some of your references
Pretty sure the genestealer cults don't make it very long once the Hive fleet arrives. By that time the patriarch is long gone with some purestrain stealers. The tyranids ally with the cult to begin with but it doesn't last long.
Very in depth. Love the various kinds.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love the new layout, thank you
Isn't the warp massively weakened by the tyranid?
Warp users
If Nurgle manages to infect a Norn Queen, all bets are off.