The Tyranids, the whole shadow in the warp always gives me goosebumps. This whole idea of knowing they’re coming and what that means but not being able to call for help or even leave is just eerily scary. I always hoped the silent king would possibly be able to overpower them with the Necrons. They don’t have biomass to feed them, they Canberra rebuild in their tombs. The Tyranids would only have losses of biomass in fights with the Necrons. But I see the points made here. And wouldn’t the Gods intervene at some point? Could Tyranids destroy Slaanesh? Nurgle? Ok. I see your point is the Necrons wouldn’t unite? But what if the silent king would achieve this? What if he decides that the Tyranids can’t be allowed to destroy all other races? He has a moral code after all. What if at least the Xenos races would unite? I see humans probably wouldn’t because they’re indeed xenophobic but maybe the others could?
Uniting is the only way the first hive fleet was defeated and the silent king did have a truce with the blood angels when they encountered the nids but I don’t see a full scale alliance anytime soon. Remember that the great rift is still a big problem for the necrons so their resources have to go after two big threats
The Iron Warriors have made a version of the Obliterator virus that they used to take over a bioship, so it would not be outside the realm of possibility for nurgle to concoct something bad.
The Tyranids can actually digest the Necrons as there are metal eating monsters out there so that's not the issue. It's just that it would cost them more than it's worth because of the Necron weapons and their effect. Yes, the Tyranids can, in a sense, destroy the Chaos gods. The thing is they dont have souls to corrupt and no blood either, so the Chaos gods get almost nothing. Khorn can get there Skulls and Nurgle can, for a while, infect them till they evolve to counter it but if the Tyranids devour the galaxy then there will be nothing left for the Chaos gods to corrupt and no souls to feed on. They could, in a sense, die. The Shadow in the Warp also could have an effect on the Rift and maybe even the Eye of Terror itself someday. As for unifying together all of it would be temporary at best. Eldar could, and have, fought alongside Humens before and even their darker kin against the Tyranids. Orks only care about a good fight. Tau would "For the Greater Good" but their presence in the galaxy is small. The Necrons aren't united, and each Dynasty will do what it wants.
I don’t remember where I heard this, but I know that the Tyranids were the reason the Silent King returned from hiding. The Silent Kings goal is to return the Necron to mortal flesh. He needs to accumulate a lot of bio mass to experiment with and simultaneously eradicate the tyranids to ensure that they don’t fall prey to them as well.
I dont think chaos would be that easy. I just finished the blood angels book and choas seems to be the only faction that has directly hurt the hive mind. I get if humans die off then so will choas but i think one of the choas gods would mind kill a hive tendril before they let that happen.
The Tau as they currently are are too small to win, but I think they’d put up a better fight than most factions. The controlled breeding GW was forced to add to their lore because so many fans didn’t think they were grimpara enough makes it nearly impossible for genestealers to emerge in any significant numbers. There are a number of their planets that are heavily defended with mostly automated weaponry which means that any attack on such planets would cause the tyrannids to burn through a lot of biomass before even getting close to replacing it.
Nah the tau are still not able to make use of true warp travel making any reinforcment of a planet practically impossible and they are still lacking in any real void superiority capability which is the key to stopping a nid invasion. On top of that because of their small territory losing even the minor non sept worlds that arn’t as heavily defended and are basically mining outpost etc will hit them hard
@@micheal5973 I think the Tau actually have the most interesting interaction, just because the Tyrranids present the one thing the Tau are most lacking: non-Warp interstellar travel.
It would be nice to go full STARCRAFT and asume that the Tyranids make their way to holy Terra, get the corpse of the Emperor and revive him as an Tyranid hybrid in the Kerrigan Style...
I could have sworn the Silent King was rallying against the Tyranid threat. I also think Chaos could do very well against the Tyranids. The population of humans in the Eye of Terror is very large. After reading the Death Guard Codex, it talked about how Mortarion wanted each of his Plague Companies to be 77,000 strong in terms of Plague Marines, and this was his ambition before the Heresy. The Eye of Terror after the Great Rift is way larger and more populous, The Black Legion, Wordbearers and Alpha Legion all have insane numbers of Chaos Marines, (and cultists and daemons to boot) So not only would chaos be a great meal for the Nids, but Chaos could also give the Tyranids a great fight. I do agree that that the Orks would benefit from war with the Tyranids, whereas all other races (except Necrons) would face a brutal war of attrition.
problem for chaos vs nids is that chaos focusses on corrupting, and nids cant be corrupted, makign nids the best vs chaos ( nids cant consume chaos though so chaos is also 1 of the best vs nids)
I've always wondered if the tyranids could potentially develop the ability to incorporate necrodermis, since they seem to be able to adapt to everything else. Then they'd just be roaming parts for armor and whatnot
It doesn’t seem likely that the nids need necrdermis. They already have self generative abilities and their foot soldiers are also not meant to be indestructible because they also are consumed at the end of an invasion.
1 year afte rur question, they did in a book, but its not common used aroudn but they can consume and use it in a sense. is it better then what they have we dont know, maybe thats why they dont use it its not as good or to costly
One potential counter-point on the Tau. The greatest limitation of the Tau is interstellar travel, due to their lack of access to the Warp. The Tyrranid method of interstellar travel doesn't make any use of the Warp. If the Tau can use drones to properly observe the process of gravitic manipulation the Tyrranids use to jump systems, they could use that themselves. Now, a wave of Tau constantly expanding into a hostile galaxy with a wave of 'Nids right behind them isn't exactly a success strategy, but there's one place the Tau might be able to jump that would be safer: BEHIND the 'Nid fleet. Behind the fleet is nothing but biologically barren worlds that should be of no interest to the Tyrranid fleets. The Tau could set up domes, artificial biospheres, use fusion to produce more organic elements and make organic materials. By the time the Tyrranid are through with enough of the rest of the galaxy to turn back, the Tau could feasibly have developed into a true galactic power that could genuinely challenge the Tyrranids. That's a thin razor to survive through, but it's possible.
Question? How can the Firesite enclave be a major faction and if possible how would the Tau in general be able to compete with all the other major factions?
The farsight enclaves could be a major faction if more auxiliary forces became a part of their force. I don’t see GW doing this but in my head canon farsight could unite more species under his banner
I've been a Tyranid player for thirty years, so I'm kinda behind the bug boys. Here's my completely unsupported perspective. The Aeldari webways would feel like holes in the hive mind as it moves forward. It would be driven to close them. It would evolve creatures specifically to penetrate and close down the webway. it would be the next generation of Chronos. It would be specifically anti-Aeldari and very specifically anti-Drukhari. As for the Necrons. I don't think they even register to the hive mind. No organic presence and no presence to inhibit the pressure of the hive minf in the warp. Once the Tyranids are done with the galaxy, they would move on, leaving the necrons untouched in an otherwise desolate galaxy.
I agree with your theory about the necrons, funny enough that was going to be my original solution to the necron threat but I figured it wouldn’t make for a good video. Could you elaborate on the Eldar theory
Yeah but this directly conflicts with the necrons wanting to return to fleshy bodies. This can’t happen if the tyranids eat everything meaning at some point the necrons are going drop their egos and directly wage war against the tyranids. I doubt the necrons will let the tyranids watch them destroy themselves without first getting rid of the tyranids. Considering the sheer god level technologies the necrons developed in the war in heaven, They’ll have no difficulty inventing anti-synapse technologies that shit on the hivemind itself. However we all know that can’t happen, at least not smoothly. It’s like everything in 40k is dumb EXCEPT the tyranids. Which is funny because they’re the 40k equivalent of the end-times.
As for the anti-aeldari/drukhari tyranids, they wouldn’t really have a way to invade the web-way because that’s a technological advancement. Unless you mean they make specialised tyranids to penetrate and close down the existing portals.
@@justintaylor3044 Necrons: I was talking about the Necrons from the Tyranid perspective. I'm pretty sure the necrons don't plan on using other species' bodies for their reincarnation. So, they have to get new bodies from somewhere. They'd be able to use their technology to build new organic forms after the passing of the swarm, why would they need humans or tau to build new necrontyr bodies? And.. where are they going to get the souls which will inhabit them? Neither of these require other species. I like the new meta with the Silent King possibly teaming up with Imperium to meet the swarm. But the necrons don't have a presence in the warp. This is what the hive mind 'feels'. It sees in real space with many eyes, and it feels in the warp with a singular presence. The necrons really should be able to wait it out and rebuild anew. Just wait another 65 million years and then begin evolution again.
@@justintaylor3044 Webways: an ancient, other-dimensional system that is neither within real or warp space. It exists as connected points in real space, and although this is not really supported in the meta, I believe it exists as monodimensional threads in warp space. If you permit these threads, then these will appear to the hive mind as blank lines within the hive mind's shadow. Blank lines out of which occasionally pop Eldar, the brightest-shining of all the lives in the galaxy. The hive mind would become very interested in these dark threads that penetrate it. And yes. They would grow new tyranid creatures just to find and explore the webway and consume the especially shiny biomatter hidden within. In a galaxy of living metal soull-stolen androids and sentient fungus with instinctual psychic powers, there is absolutely no reason why a bioconstruct cannot be created that could not just find and enter the webway, but even be a living analogue of a webway portal.
I've been wondering Does the Hive Mind or the Tyranids ever take anything personally, or hold a grudge, or get pissed off at their Enemies? Or does the Hive Mind just keep its cool? Or loose it?
If i remember correctly, during the devastation of Baal, Tyranids attacked a Blood Angels world despite the planet offering no almost biomass. Its said that the hivemind just attacked the blood angels out of hate.
It seems that GW have outsmarted themselves by introducing a galaxy destroying bio horde that cannot be defeated. Talk about painting yourself into a corner.
They always seem to do this and then completely ignore their own lore. They did this with the demon primarchs. Mortarion and magnus were both suppose to be some of the most powerful beings in existence and they get beat by Guilliman a normal Primarch
@@OneMindSyndicate that's how almost all lore is and in a world as overpowered as 40k you gotta have even more ridiculous reasons to balance each other out. Otherwise it is predictable and you have curb stomps.
Question: in a prolonged fight with the orks..... wouldn’t they (the orks) hit the transcended point and upgrade them selves back to krork? Because if he still meet with just regular they’re definitely gonna lose when we get their upgraded abilities back.
Ghagaz gul is already damn near what the description of the krork was within Trazeyns vault complex... ** im mean ffs, ghaz is already the size of a dreadnaught and keen as all hell w tactics... he really makes me think about the war of the beast how close that the beast himself was to transcendence **
Honestly how many more worlds would you need of orks versus nidz to get to the point where they would evolve? TBH the eldar back in the day had done massive surgical strikes just cull the numbers down to even make them(orks)somewhat controllable..
Krork are just blood axe orks that were given control of the orks by the old ones they are not super orks. I explain it better in this video th-cam.com/video/Dk0RhJ53NQc/w-d-xo.html
@@OneMindSyndicate i just watch it for a 2nd time. So much lore I didnt know abt. I ordered a few of the ork codexes from gw. I’m excited to learn more about it. Thank you for sharing.
Thought the eldar destruction need a bit more depth and this also bring me to a recommendation for a future lore video. How in your opinion including any lore did the eldar go about constructing the Web way?
So the Eldar didn’t create the webway they improved upon it after they inherited it from the old ones. If you watch our old one video or the Eldar hod video you’ll understand
I agree the Tyranids are generally a favourite for a endgame scenario, it's true their unfathomable number is a drive for them, but they do have other tactics and methods, they can create uprisings and know importance of weakening a foe before the kill. So for their savage appearance, there is a great level of cunning, cruel, but cunning from these creatures. I think nids vs necrons is problematic in just getting them to fight each other. The nids may be pushed to finding them to hunt but necons could just (after kidnapping or taking whatever it is that's needed for the planned restoration) sleep it out in a tomb deep beneath the ground. It's doubtful the Tyranids could find some dynasty that is willing to hide it out for even half a million years, by than the nids would have long gone. I think it's because Necorns can play the waiting game it's why they be so stubborn for the nids unless they find a way to deal with this rather mundane approach by the necrons.
So... how would Tyranids destroy / consume the Drukhari? Or would they? Hive Mind: [Sees Drukhari Options] Button A: DEAL WITH Button B: IGNORE Hive Mind: [Nervous sweating]
Question: I know the theory is the Tyranids are being drawn to Terra because of the Astronomican, but why? What is it about the Astronomican that draws them?
Its basically just a big nightlight going hey theres something living over in this direction! Dinner time! And might not have been the astronomican at first but the pharos beacon that was used during the heresy that put out an even greater signel when it went boom
Tyranid is just 1 dude or the "Overmind" like in the Zerg. He has to be a god level psyker at this point having eaten the brains and consciousness of so many lifeforms. When he arrives at 40k thats prob when the universe ends.
Not a master of lore but isnt the thing with the silent kings return now that he is gonna unite the necrons because he has seen the true threat of the tyranids. And that he somehow have some control/influence in all other necrons. The only reason they are in control is because the silent king was on his great exile or something?
Silent king destroyed his ability to command other necrons when he went into exile. He can still do the old fashion politicing to get support but more often than not other necron dynasties hate him and will only work with him under extreme duress and only for so long as it benifits each dynesties individual goals
Love a look at just ehat exactly the silent king encountered in the void that made him scared enough to return Like ik it was probably the unimaginable main swarm yet to arrive But i want details if possible on what titanic ancient horror is imminent Like imagine what the main swarm is like if what wevenhas so far is truly just scout forces Like the massive hive ships yet encountered are still the "small weak ones" and whatever is kn the way is unimaginably massive and powerful I lovw the nids and the idea and evidence that the galaxy is no only surrounded byt these are likely the scout fleets is something i want explored
@@accessdenied5998 infection rate is too virulent with everybody infected becoming a mindless zombie hellbound of eating others who arent infected with the interloopers being those who manage to fight them off enough to not get eating in 1 dining becoming also infected and adding numbers to spreading the virus. You do know that the "hunger gospel" is the 1 where Sentry started the spread of zombie-fication, right?
There is only war: the nids will war against an existing faction or vs another as-yet-to-be-known faction, e.g. whatever is chasing the nids to our galaxy where there is no peace, only war...
Most of all, they've gotta watch the heck out for Nurgle. Madlad can just make a new horrific disease every time they gain immunity to the previous one, and their destruction of things he feeds off gives him all the incentive to wreck them. Then again he also wants a stagnant galaxy or something like that, and a galaxy stripped of all life seems pretty stagnant to me.
They could use nurgle as an arms dealer. The Nid’s ranged weapons mainly use acid and disease. The more they can take from nurgle the stronger their ranged weaponry can get. Maybe to the point where they can liquify all biomass from orbit exterminatus-style, and then just slurp all the fluids and leave. No initial losses, and processing that could take years could be cut down to a week at most. This would boost their efficiency so high that they could probably overpower the orks.
The eldar might be able to build a psychic weapon that targets the psychic connection between all tyranid, in essence, an anti telepath weapon that fries all tyranid telepaths. If you could effect a large enough group of the tyranids in this fashion they would not be able to do much as they require the hive mind to function in almost every way. Without it the feral tyranid that require the hive mind to control them and suppress their feral natures would fail and many would turn on each other as much as any other threat. In my opinion only the much more intelligent, psyker type tyranids generate the psychic shadow in the warp, the ferals that are controlled by it do not contribute to it. So if the eldar could create a psychic weapon that directly attacks the tyranid psynapse creatures, the tyranid could be beaten, and adapting to such an attack would be near impossible because the attack is not something biological evolution would be able to counter. A chink in the tyranids armor if you will.
Every faction could build some but Eldar are few, necrons are sleeping, chaos have other priorities, humanity can't invent and drukhari are running from slaanesh. The only ones are the orks with believing or the Tau with Technology.
@@hansvonadel8787 ...True, but as the most psychic race I picked them because they occasionally innovate with some new weapons, and they do have psychic weapons from before the time of the fall that they can build, although they are considered a bit expensive by their current standards and are considered difficult to maintain.
@@evilspoon5280 Most Eldar are have psychic abilities and Tyranids have the shadow in the warp. So the anti-synaptic weapon should be activated when the nids are still in space traveling to the craftworld but this would need a great weapon with lot of range. Eldar can't defeat the nids but they can make something like a bugspray.
The way the shadow of the warp works is because it has so many creatures psychically connected. It essentially functions as radio static in the amount of incomprehensible screeching. So eliminating specific psycher nids wouldn’t affect the shadow as much as you’d think. Also it’s not just the psycher nids that are psynapse creatures. All of the larger forms like hive tyrants are used as proxies. Also you can look at how Broods work to see that even if the hive mind was decentralized, it would break into different factions which would merge back together either willingly or just through eating each other enough which could make them stronger as they evolve to fight an ever evolving enemy.
I think you are wrong about the value of the necrons. The materials and resources of the Necrons are a good source of material for the Hive fleet and can be ingested and converted to biomatter.
Figure, if the Nids manage to make a Chaos being, though unlikely, that would spell the downfall for chaos and the elder. Think a being thats hunting you using your thoughts as a scent trail, and devours your mind, leaving your body crippled for the material ones to find. Like Slaanesh, but even Slaanesh wants you to live long enough to suffer.
I think the nids themselves are becoming a pseudo-Chaos God. They’re already called “the great devourer” their shadow in the warp nullifies all escape and communication through the immateriem. Even if they can’t find a way to evolve to eat chaos energy, they could creat specific bio forms to mimic chaos demons in ability and purpose.
Nids don’t care about a specific species just general biomass. So a rich jungle or ecologically sound world, kinda like how the tau do things, might be more enticing than a hive world that just has a few trillion people but has destroyed every other organism on the planet.
With Ant colonies that leave the main colony, the become genetically different over time then end up at war with each other. I am suprised the Tyranids don't end up in a giant battle between Hive Fleets. When they get to a certain size they end up splitting into factions, for example, because the singular consciousness can't control so many bioforms. Or some grouos of bioforms split off from the main hive mind. Again fighting with each other. Is this possible? Tyranids are so OP.
I think hive fleets do fight and consume each other. Or there's a specific hive fleet that eats other hive fleets in order to consolidate the different adaptations all in one hive fleet
@@Arnung my lovly hydra army….. its been so long since ive dusted them off 😢 But ya its probably alot more complicated than that. Theres hive fleet chronos which other hives go out of their way to leave them alone and even set up supply depots for them to replenish resources. The aformentioned hydra which won’t engage other fleets directly but follow discreetly behind them and just nom any forces that were defeated and retreating from battle. And then pretty much everyone els will just try to eat each other on sight
Answer is. You beat them by letting nature take its course. The elder are already dead. They just haven’t reached that point lol. I mean they litterally killed their self when slaneesh And just let the Necron fuck off why even bother they will destroy themselves
Dark Eldar just whooped everyone's ass in the latest tourney. And lore wise the between orks and the endless hoards of chaos you have a stalemate. Giving tau time to create automated weapons posts that can repel oncoming bio fleets. So no, sorry bugs will never overrun the galaxy.
Considering the tyranids are a singular entity, they are a hive mind therefore a single entity must be its core, once this is killed or disappeared they become the same as any animal
Not really. The next big brain in line will assume control. You would literally have to destroy every single synapse creature at the same time. Which is an impossible task for mere mortals to complete. An awesome example is from Starcraft. When the Overmind was destroyed the Cerebrates took over control of the swarms. Thus the hivemind endures.
Farming Orks could totally backfire unless the nids where somehow able to account for Orly weirdness and Random BULLSHIT lol. Imagine looted BioShips controlled by a Wierdboy 🤣. As for the Webway, could the nids set up a Psychic Cascade using zoantropes do essential take down the entire network?
Question Are the tyranids actually united ? If so why not just attack the galaxy from all directions at once and if they do wipe out all other races will they just consume each other
They aren’t, each hive fleet is a separate monster that branches out from an original fleet. When their dna is different enough or they encounter eachother again they fight to the death. The winner absorbs the losers dna and becomes stronger than before.
tyranids have already made ork farms orks on a planet dont matter, they are a farm orks in space are pretty weak and a lot less numerous yes nids wont exterminate them in a million years you will have grots spawn in hive ships as a pest and emergency food supply but they are not opposition the problem will be maintaining genetic diversity, make sure the orks are only carbs and not genetic data that could cause mork to interfere with future plans
GW has made the nids op when? in all my years of playing and watching play its always the imperium getting all the special rules powers of the dark gods beaten by a little wax stamp and all that
Early on you said that GW has made the Tyranids OP. But it was my understanding that they're pretty uncompetitive. Are you talking lore wise, or is the latest meta finally in the Nids favour.
Lore wise... the fact they are so nigh unbeatable, they are by all indications even more numerous then the greenskin. and they constantly get stronger.
Side arm for dark age of humanity was a bolt pistol… that fires vortex bolts that create mini black holes…. As a side arm… orks will happily fight nids cause its fun. They signed a peace treaty with dark age humanity cause they didn’t want anything to do with the bs humanity used on them. So ya
The Tyranids, the whole shadow in the warp always gives me goosebumps. This whole idea of knowing they’re coming and what that means but not being able to call for help or even leave is just eerily scary.
I always hoped the silent king would possibly be able to overpower them with the Necrons. They don’t have biomass to feed them, they Canberra rebuild in their tombs. The Tyranids would only have losses of biomass in fights with the Necrons. But I see the points made here.
And wouldn’t the Gods intervene at some point? Could Tyranids destroy Slaanesh? Nurgle?
Ok. I see your point is the Necrons wouldn’t unite? But what if the silent king would achieve this? What if he decides that the Tyranids can’t be allowed to destroy all other races? He has a moral code after all. What if at least the Xenos races would unite? I see humans probably wouldn’t because they’re indeed xenophobic but maybe the others could?
Sit back and await your impending doom
Uniting is the only way the first hive fleet was defeated and the silent king did have a truce with the blood angels when they encountered the nids but I don’t see a full scale alliance anytime soon. Remember that the great rift is still a big problem for the necrons so their resources have to go after two big threats
The Iron Warriors have made a version of the Obliterator virus that they used to take over a bioship, so it would not be outside the realm of possibility for nurgle to concoct something bad.
The Tyranids can actually digest the Necrons as there are metal eating monsters out there so that's not the issue. It's just that it would cost them more than it's worth because of the Necron weapons and their effect.
Yes, the Tyranids can, in a sense, destroy the Chaos gods. The thing is they dont have souls to corrupt and no blood either, so the Chaos gods get almost nothing. Khorn can get there Skulls and Nurgle can, for a while, infect them till they evolve to counter it but if the Tyranids devour the galaxy then there will be nothing left for the Chaos gods to corrupt and no souls to feed on. They could, in a sense, die. The Shadow in the Warp also could have an effect on the Rift and maybe even the Eye of Terror itself someday.
As for unifying together all of it would be temporary at best. Eldar could, and have, fought alongside Humens before and even their darker kin against the Tyranids. Orks only care about a good fight. Tau would "For the Greater Good" but their presence in the galaxy is small. The Necrons aren't united, and each Dynasty will do what it wants.
The Squats will save humanity by using their ultra powerful weapons, that's why GW won't release them
The squats were almost completely destroyed by the tyranids. They are the first casualty
@@OneMindSyndicate FAKE NEWS LIES BY DEEP EMPIRE TO OPPRESS THE EMPIRE AND PREVENT THE EMPEROR FROM SAVING US, FOLLOW QUATTONON FOR THE TRUTH
lol i cant remeber who the squats are haha
This… this did not age well
@@nomadicmetalhed891 What do you mean? Sorry I know comments is a month old but Im curious
I don’t remember where I heard this, but I know that the Tyranids were the reason the Silent King returned from hiding. The Silent Kings goal is to return the Necron to mortal flesh. He needs to accumulate a lot of bio mass to experiment with and simultaneously eradicate the tyranids to ensure that they don’t fall prey to them as well.
He lost the moment Behemoth appeared, Tyranids are unstoppable
Not sure "growing" Orcs would make any sense, since that would also require biomass, it's not like they are created from thin air.
QUESTION: How do tyranid bio ships travel so many light years so fast?
They have a specific ship that manipulates gravity. It's called a narvhal
Also they don't travel space nearly as fast as the other races
They have one specific ship called a narval that bends space time to achieve faster than light travel
I dont think chaos would be that easy. I just finished the blood angels book and choas seems to be the only faction that has directly hurt the hive mind. I get if humans die off then so will choas but i think one of the choas gods would mind kill a hive tendril before they let that happen.
The Tau as they currently are are too small to win, but I think they’d put up a better fight than most factions. The controlled breeding GW was forced to add to their lore because so many fans didn’t think they were grimpara enough makes it nearly impossible for genestealers to emerge in any significant numbers. There are a number of their planets that are heavily defended with mostly automated weaponry which means that any attack on such planets would cause the tyrannids to burn through a lot of biomass before even getting close to replacing it.
Nah the tau are still not able to make use of true warp travel making any reinforcment of a planet practically impossible and they are still lacking in any real void superiority capability which is the key to stopping a nid invasion. On top of that because of their small territory losing even the minor non sept worlds that arn’t as heavily defended and are basically mining outpost etc will hit them hard
@@micheal5973 I think the Tau actually have the most interesting interaction, just because the Tyrranids present the one thing the Tau are most lacking: non-Warp interstellar travel.
When i first played dawn of war 40k and seen the tyranids it was just instant love at first sight
Zerg rush
They are very different than most other races. I would say the closest is the orks but even then the primal theme is amazing
It would be nice to go full STARCRAFT and asume that the Tyranids make their way to holy Terra, get the corpse of the Emperor and revive him as an Tyranid hybrid in the Kerrigan Style...
Love how you compair the tyranids to the lovecraft star children
I could have sworn the Silent King was rallying against the Tyranid threat. I also think Chaos could do very well against the Tyranids. The population of humans in the Eye of Terror is very large. After reading the Death Guard Codex, it talked about how Mortarion wanted each of his Plague Companies to be 77,000 strong in terms of Plague Marines, and this was his ambition before the Heresy. The Eye of Terror after the Great Rift is way larger and more populous, The Black Legion, Wordbearers and Alpha Legion all have insane numbers of Chaos Marines, (and cultists and daemons to boot) So not only would chaos be a great meal for the Nids, but Chaos could also give the Tyranids a great fight. I do agree that that the Orks would benefit from war with the Tyranids, whereas all other races (except Necrons) would face a brutal war of attrition.
problem for chaos vs nids is that chaos focusses on corrupting, and nids cant be corrupted, makign nids the best vs chaos ( nids cant consume chaos though so chaos is also 1 of the best vs nids)
Orks vs Tyranids would just make for some really really REALLY happy Orks 😆 🤣 🎶DIS IS DA WAAAAGH DAT NEVAH ENDZ!🎵
I've always wondered if the tyranids could potentially develop the ability to incorporate necrodermis, since they seem to be able to adapt to everything else. Then they'd just be roaming parts for armor and whatnot
It doesn’t seem likely that the nids need necrdermis. They already have self generative abilities and their foot soldiers are also not meant to be indestructible because they also are consumed at the end of an invasion.
1 year afte rur question, they did in a book, but its not common used aroudn but they can consume and use it in a sense. is it better then what they have we dont know, maybe thats why they dont use it its not as good or to costly
The tyranids love you the same way daddy nurgle loves you… they can use your parts to make new life
One potential counter-point on the Tau. The greatest limitation of the Tau is interstellar travel, due to their lack of access to the Warp. The Tyrranid method of interstellar travel doesn't make any use of the Warp. If the Tau can use drones to properly observe the process of gravitic manipulation the Tyrranids use to jump systems, they could use that themselves. Now, a wave of Tau constantly expanding into a hostile galaxy with a wave of 'Nids right behind them isn't exactly a success strategy, but there's one place the Tau might be able to jump that would be safer: BEHIND the 'Nid fleet. Behind the fleet is nothing but biologically barren worlds that should be of no interest to the Tyrranid fleets. The Tau could set up domes, artificial biospheres, use fusion to produce more organic elements and make organic materials. By the time the Tyrranid are through with enough of the rest of the galaxy to turn back, the Tau could feasibly have developed into a true galactic power that could genuinely challenge the Tyrranids.
That's a thin razor to survive through, but it's possible.
Good to see you are doing well. Great video.
Question? How can the Firesite enclave be a major faction and if possible how would the Tau in general be able to compete with all the other major factions?
The farsight enclaves could be a major faction if more auxiliary forces became a part of their force. I don’t see GW doing this but in my head canon farsight could unite more species under his banner
Suggestion for December: Drukhari.
Drukharember?
I've been a Tyranid player for thirty years, so I'm kinda behind the bug boys.
Here's my completely unsupported perspective.
The Aeldari webways would feel like holes in the hive mind as it moves forward. It would be driven to close them. It would evolve creatures specifically to penetrate and close down the webway. it would be the next generation of Chronos. It would be specifically anti-Aeldari and very specifically anti-Drukhari.
As for the Necrons. I don't think they even register to the hive mind. No organic presence and no presence to inhibit the pressure of the hive minf in the warp.
Once the Tyranids are done with the galaxy, they would move on, leaving the necrons untouched in an otherwise desolate galaxy.
I agree with your theory about the necrons, funny enough that was going to be my original solution to the necron threat but I figured it wouldn’t make for a good video. Could you elaborate on the Eldar theory
Yeah but this directly conflicts with the necrons wanting to return to fleshy bodies. This can’t happen if the tyranids eat everything meaning at some point the necrons are going drop their egos and directly wage war against the tyranids. I doubt the necrons will let the tyranids watch them destroy themselves without first getting rid of the tyranids.
Considering the sheer god level technologies the necrons developed in the war in heaven, They’ll have no difficulty inventing anti-synapse technologies that shit on the hivemind itself.
However we all know that can’t happen, at least not smoothly. It’s like everything in 40k is dumb EXCEPT the tyranids. Which is funny because they’re the 40k equivalent of the end-times.
As for the anti-aeldari/drukhari tyranids, they wouldn’t really have a way to invade the web-way because that’s a technological advancement. Unless you mean they make specialised tyranids to penetrate and close down the existing portals.
@@justintaylor3044 Necrons: I was talking about the Necrons from the Tyranid perspective. I'm pretty sure the necrons don't plan on using other species' bodies for their reincarnation. So, they have to get new bodies from somewhere. They'd be able to use their technology to build new organic forms after the passing of the swarm, why would they need humans or tau to build new necrontyr bodies? And.. where are they going to get the souls which will inhabit them? Neither of these require other species.
I like the new meta with the Silent King possibly teaming up with Imperium to meet the swarm. But the necrons don't have a presence in the warp. This is what the hive mind 'feels'. It sees in real space with many eyes, and it feels in the warp with a singular presence. The necrons really should be able to wait it out and rebuild anew. Just wait another 65 million years and then begin evolution again.
@@justintaylor3044 Webways: an ancient, other-dimensional system that is neither within real or warp space. It exists as connected points in real space, and although this is not really supported in the meta, I believe it exists as monodimensional threads in warp space.
If you permit these threads, then these will appear to the hive mind as blank lines within the hive mind's shadow. Blank lines out of which occasionally pop Eldar, the brightest-shining of all the lives in the galaxy.
The hive mind would become very interested in these dark threads that penetrate it.
And yes. They would grow new tyranid creatures just to find and explore the webway and consume the especially shiny biomatter hidden within.
In a galaxy of living metal soull-stolen androids and sentient fungus with instinctual psychic powers, there is absolutely no reason why a bioconstruct cannot be created that could not just find and enter the webway, but even be a living analogue of a webway portal.
I've been wondering
Does the Hive Mind or the Tyranids ever take anything personally, or hold a grudge, or get pissed off at their Enemies?
Or does the Hive Mind just keep its cool? Or loose it?
If i remember correctly, during the devastation of Baal, Tyranids attacked a Blood Angels world despite the planet offering no almost biomass. Its said that the hivemind just attacked the blood angels out of hate.
It seems that GW have outsmarted themselves by introducing a galaxy destroying bio horde that cannot be defeated. Talk about painting yourself into a corner.
They seem pretty crappy when you play with them in fullscale 40k but they slay in kill team
They will make up something to end them or stall them.
They always seem to do this and then completely ignore their own lore. They did this with the demon primarchs. Mortarion and magnus were both suppose to be some of the most powerful beings in existence and they get beat by Guilliman a normal Primarch
@@OneMindSyndicate that's how almost all lore is and in a world as overpowered as 40k you gotta have even more ridiculous reasons to balance each other out. Otherwise it is predictable and you have curb stomps.
And making the Tau practically useless on the tabletop lol.
Question: in a prolonged fight with the orks..... wouldn’t they (the orks) hit the transcended point and upgrade them selves back to krork? Because if he still meet with just regular they’re definitely gonna lose when we get their upgraded abilities back.
Ghagaz gul is already damn near what the description of the krork was within Trazeyns vault complex... ** im mean ffs, ghaz is already the size of a dreadnaught and keen as all hell w tactics... he really makes me think about the war of the beast how close that the beast himself was to transcendence **
Honestly how many more worlds would you need of orks versus nidz to get to the point where they would evolve? TBH the eldar back in the day had done massive surgical strikes just cull the numbers down to even make them(orks)somewhat controllable..
Krork are just blood axe orks that were given control of the orks by the old ones they are not super orks. I explain it better in this video
th-cam.com/video/Dk0RhJ53NQc/w-d-xo.html
@@OneMindSyndicate appreciate the link. Thank you.
@@OneMindSyndicate i just watch it for a 2nd time. So much lore I didnt know abt. I ordered a few of the ork codexes from gw. I’m excited to learn more about it. Thank you for sharing.
Thought the eldar destruction need a bit more depth and this also bring me to a recommendation for a future lore video. How in your opinion including any lore did the eldar go about constructing the Web way?
So the Eldar didn’t create the webway they improved upon it after they inherited it from the old ones. If you watch our old one video or the Eldar hod video you’ll understand
I agree the Tyranids are generally a favourite for a endgame scenario, it's true their unfathomable number is a drive for them, but they do have other tactics and methods, they can create uprisings and know importance of weakening a foe before the kill. So for their savage appearance, there is a great level of cunning, cruel, but cunning from these creatures.
I think nids vs necrons is problematic in just getting them to fight each other. The nids may be pushed to finding them to hunt but necons could just (after kidnapping or taking whatever it is that's needed for the planned restoration) sleep it out in a tomb deep beneath the ground.
It's doubtful the Tyranids could find some dynasty that is willing to hide it out for even half a million years, by than the nids would have long gone. I think it's because Necorns can play the waiting game it's why they be so stubborn for the nids unless they find a way to deal with this rather mundane approach by the necrons.
So... how would Tyranids destroy / consume the Drukhari? Or would they?
Hive Mind:
[Sees Drukhari Options]
Button A:
DEAL WITH
Button B:
IGNORE
Hive Mind:
[Nervous sweating]
Thank you, i aleays knew nids could consume necrons.
Yeah it’s challenging at first but once you realize they kill eachother boom your answer is solved
Question: I know the theory is the Tyranids are being drawn to Terra because of the Astronomican, but why? What is it about the Astronomican that draws them?
Its basically just a big nightlight going hey theres something living over in this direction! Dinner time! And might not have been the astronomican at first but the pharos beacon that was used during the heresy that put out an even greater signel when it went boom
That’s the big mystery and something you can play around with in your homebrew lore until GW gives us more info.
Tyranid is just 1 dude or the "Overmind" like in the Zerg. He has to be a god level psyker at this point having eaten the brains and consciousness of so many lifeforms. When he arrives at 40k thats prob when the universe ends.
Not a master of lore but isnt the thing with the silent kings return now that he is gonna unite the necrons because he has seen the true threat of the tyranids. And that he somehow have some control/influence in all other necrons. The only reason they are in control is because the silent king was on his great exile or something?
Silent king destroyed his ability to command other necrons when he went into exile. He can still do the old fashion politicing to get support but more often than not other necron dynasties hate him and will only work with him under extreme duress and only for so long as it benifits each dynesties individual goals
@@micheal5973 I see well hopefully he can make them follow logic this time :D
Love a look at just ehat exactly the silent king encountered in the void that made him scared enough to return
Like ik it was probably the unimaginable main swarm yet to arrive
But i want details if possible on what titanic ancient horror is imminent
Like imagine what the main swarm is like if what wevenhas so far is truly just scout forces
Like the massive hive ships yet encountered are still the "small weak ones" and whatever is kn the way is unimaginably massive and powerful
I lovw the nids and the idea and evidence that the galaxy is no only surrounded byt these are likely the scout fleets is something i want explored
I cannot help but correlate this whole Tyranids taking over akin to the comic books Annihilation Wave.
they will eat everyone and everything :P
Yeah, but would they survive marvel's superpowered zombies?
The "hunger gospel" specificly
@@youtubestudiosucks978 yes
@@accessdenied5998 infection rate is too virulent with everybody infected becoming a mindless zombie hellbound of eating others who arent infected with the interloopers being those who manage to fight them off enough to not get eating in 1 dining becoming also infected and adding numbers to spreading the virus.
You do know that the "hunger gospel" is the 1 where Sentry started the spread of zombie-fication, right?
@@youtubestudiosucks978 well I guess you dont know GW make tyranids so damn overpower they can immune to anything
@@accessdenied5998 i know Nurgle can infect them
Video idea: What are the most effective methods/tactics/weapons to stop the Tyranids
I answer that in this video
th-cam.com/video/RqqhQ9Gqbkw/w-d-xo.html
There is only war: the nids will war against an existing faction or vs another as-yet-to-be-known faction, e.g. whatever is chasing the nids to our galaxy where there is no peace, only war...
The Nids will fall. Xeno flith
Screech in tyranid
@@OneMindSyndicate Opens fire with Holy Bolter!! For the Emperor!!
Excellent job!!!
Thanks
So next month is Deathember? Deathwatch and Death Guard!
Most of all, they've gotta watch the heck out for Nurgle. Madlad can just make a new horrific disease every time they gain immunity to the previous one, and their destruction of things he feeds off gives him all the incentive to wreck them. Then again he also wants a stagnant galaxy or something like that, and a galaxy stripped of all life seems pretty stagnant to me.
They could use nurgle as an arms dealer. The Nid’s ranged weapons mainly use acid and disease. The more they can take from nurgle the stronger their ranged weaponry can get. Maybe to the point where they can liquify all biomass from orbit exterminatus-style, and then just slurp all the fluids and leave. No initial losses, and processing that could take years could be cut down to a week at most. This would boost their efficiency so high that they could probably overpower the orks.
The eldar might be able to build a psychic weapon that targets the psychic connection between all tyranid, in essence, an anti telepath weapon that fries all tyranid telepaths. If you could effect a large enough group of the tyranids in this fashion they would not be able to do much as they require the hive mind to function in almost every way. Without it the feral tyranid that require the hive mind to control them and suppress their feral natures would fail and many would turn on each other as much as any other threat.
In my opinion only the much more intelligent, psyker type tyranids generate the psychic shadow in the warp, the ferals that are controlled by it do not contribute to it. So if the eldar could create a psychic weapon that directly attacks the tyranid psynapse creatures, the tyranid could be beaten, and adapting to such an attack would be near impossible because the attack is not something biological evolution would be able to counter. A chink in the tyranids armor if you will.
Every faction could build some but Eldar are few, necrons are sleeping, chaos have other priorities, humanity can't invent and drukhari are running from slaanesh. The only ones are the orks with believing or the Tau with Technology.
@@hansvonadel8787 ...True, but as the most psychic race I picked them because they occasionally innovate with some new weapons, and they do have psychic weapons from before the time of the fall that they can build, although they are considered a bit expensive by their current standards and are considered difficult to maintain.
@@evilspoon5280 Most Eldar are have psychic abilities and Tyranids have the shadow in the warp. So the anti-synaptic weapon should be activated when the nids are still in space traveling to the craftworld but this would need a great weapon with lot of range. Eldar can't defeat the nids but they can make something like a bugspray.
The way the shadow of the warp works is because it has so many creatures psychically connected. It essentially functions as radio static in the amount of incomprehensible screeching. So eliminating specific psycher nids wouldn’t affect the shadow as much as you’d think. Also it’s not just the psycher nids that are psynapse creatures. All of the larger forms like hive tyrants are used as proxies. Also you can look at how Broods work to see that even if the hive mind was decentralized, it would break into different factions which would merge back together either willingly or just through eating each other enough which could make them stronger as they evolve to fight an ever evolving enemy.
imagine a Tyranid with a cannon like the Hammerhead Railgun :D
high AP and ignoring Inv saves.
The tyranids just won octarius war... o.o
I think you are wrong about the value of the necrons. The materials and resources of the Necrons are a good source of material for the Hive fleet and can be ingested and converted to biomatter.
Figure, if the Nids manage to make a Chaos being, though unlikely, that would spell the downfall for chaos and the elder. Think a being thats hunting you using your thoughts as a scent trail, and devours your mind, leaving your body crippled for the material ones to find. Like Slaanesh, but even Slaanesh wants you to live long enough to suffer.
I think the nids themselves are becoming a pseudo-Chaos God. They’re already called “the great devourer” their shadow in the warp nullifies all escape and communication through the immateriem. Even if they can’t find a way to evolve to eat chaos energy, they could creat specific bio forms to mimic chaos demons in ability and purpose.
Perhaps they could develop a means of throwing the shadow so they can nullify the warp before the eldar could escape
Yes if the warp becomes a nullifying power because right now it’s just space without a warp presence
While for all of them, I see success but the necrons have the silent king which could unite them and be a problem
the second the tyranids face the necrons, they will die due to lack of biomass.
What about the tau empire, they have even most little chanse to concuer galaxy?
Could you make a video about eldar and tau diplomacy and relations?
Yes I’ll add that on my list for Eldar or Tau month
I really enjoyed the video. How about next month you do grand father nergal.
All nurgle for an entire month, I could do that. I’ll send out a survey soon
I'm curious, the tau doesn't have a high population. So they won't provide fuel to make it worth it?
Nids don’t care about a specific species just general biomass. So a rich jungle or ecologically sound world, kinda like how the tau do things, might be more enticing than a hive world that just has a few trillion people but has destroyed every other organism on the planet.
Right but if a Tau sept world is in the path of the hive fleet then the nids won’t hesitate to consume them
With Ant colonies that leave the main colony, the become genetically different over time then end up at war with each other. I am suprised the Tyranids don't end up in a giant battle between Hive Fleets. When they get to a certain size they end up splitting into factions, for example, because the singular consciousness can't control so many bioforms. Or some grouos of bioforms split off from the main hive mind. Again fighting with each other. Is this possible? Tyranids are so OP.
I think hive fleets do fight and consume each other. Or there's a specific hive fleet that eats other hive fleets in order to consolidate the different adaptations all in one hive fleet
well hive fleet hydra is eating hive fleet leviathan xD
@@Arnung my lovly hydra army….. its been so long since ive dusted them off 😢
But ya its probably alot more complicated than that. Theres hive fleet chronos which other hives go out of their way to leave them alone and even set up supply depots for them to replenish resources. The aformentioned hydra which won’t engage other fleets directly but follow discreetly behind them and just nom any forces that were defeated and retreating from battle. And then pretty much everyone els will just try to eat each other on sight
What if the cadian pylons had turned on when Slaanesh was born? Would it have shielded the galaxy & Eldar Empire?
They were on. The birth of slaanesh was so strong it devoured the Eldar crone worlds
Laugh in Necrons
Answer is. You beat them by letting nature take its course. The elder are already dead. They just haven’t reached that point lol. I mean they litterally killed their self when slaneesh And just let the Necron fuck off why even bother they will destroy themselves
The Men of Iron return and wipe them all out.
Dark Eldar just whooped everyone's ass in the latest tourney. And lore wise the between orks and the endless hoards of chaos you have a stalemate. Giving tau time to create automated weapons posts that can repel oncoming bio fleets. So no, sorry bugs will never overrun the galaxy.
Considering the tyranids are a singular entity, they are a hive mind therefore a single entity must be its core, once this is killed or disappeared they become the same as any animal
but that means, somewhere is a much bigger hive fleet then all together to protect the "queen" xD
Not really. The next big brain in line will assume control.
You would literally have to destroy every single synapse creature at the same time. Which is an impossible task for mere mortals to complete.
An awesome example is from Starcraft. When the Overmind was destroyed the Cerebrates took over control of the swarms. Thus the hivemind endures.
@@Arnung well if you believe one or two Images the main Brain is roughly the size of several galaxies 😅
@@BLOODKINGbro the synapse act as hubs for the hivemind, if there’s no mega rely in place (like the null queen) then there’s nothing to broadcast
Honestly whoever Allie’s with the orks will win.
Question: wouldn’t the best way to get rid of the tyranids be to play Iggy Azeala really, really loudly? That nonsense could drive anyone away!
By eating everything of course
Yum
Tyranids vs reapers
They wouldnt. That would upset the setting of things being locked in a balance n constant struggle.
Farming Orks could totally backfire unless the nids where somehow able to account for Orly weirdness and Random BULLSHIT lol. Imagine looted BioShips controlled by a Wierdboy 🤣.
As for the Webway, could the nids set up a Psychic Cascade using zoantropes do essential take down the entire network?
What about tyranids and Dark Eldar?
I lumped them in with the Eldar because they have similar advantages
Could you do spacemarines for December
Probably
Question Are the tyranids actually united ? If so why not just attack the galaxy from all directions at once and if they do wipe out all other races will they just consume each other
They aren’t, each hive fleet is a separate monster that branches out from an original fleet. When their dna is different enough or they encounter eachother again they fight to the death. The winner absorbs the losers dna and becomes stronger than before.
dont the naids have a shadow in the warp which dampens pyschers
tyranids have already made ork farms
orks on a planet dont matter, they are a farm
orks in space are pretty weak and a lot less numerous
yes nids wont exterminate them
in a million years you will have grots spawn in hive ships as a pest and emergency food supply
but they are not opposition
the problem will be maintaining genetic diversity, make sure the orks are only carbs and not genetic data that could cause mork to interfere with future plans
chaos is a war of pure loss for nids
none of the meat is usable
chaos would die too slow for that to benefit the hives even with all humans fallen
5:13
*If* they get past the golden boys....
by now nids are way better at consuming the living metal (it is 1 year after vid posted though so newer lroe XD)
Don't they beat chaos with the shadow in the warp thing. Don't no if that's what it's called but cut them of from there gods and...?
The green skins would lose wym
your subtitles from vietnamese are wrong
🤙
GW has made the nids op
when?
in all my years of playing and watching play its always the imperium getting all the special rules
powers of the dark gods beaten by a little wax stamp and all that
They wont. The Imperium will be fine because they have the Ultramarines! Ultramarines best marines!
Is this GW in disguise hahah
Early on you said that GW has made the Tyranids OP. But it was my understanding that they're pretty uncompetitive. Are you talking lore wise, or is the latest meta finally in the Nids favour.
Lore wise... the fact they are so nigh unbeatable, they are by all indications even more numerous then the greenskin. and they constantly get stronger.
there's also speculation that the hive fleets are supposedly just scouts of the main fleet
@@arvintob holy ?$#!+ on a $#!+ sandwich! Now that is terrifying!
Lore wise of course they suck on the tabletop. GW has ignored them since 6th or 7th Edition
Ur wrong about the last one
Tyranids are a C tier faction only loved by edgy 4chan internet atheists who grew up slavishly watching Richard Dawkins videos on TH-cam.
Would Humanity from the Dark Age of Technology just stomp the Tyranids?
Side arm for dark age of humanity was a bolt pistol… that fires vortex bolts that create mini black holes…. As a side arm…
orks will happily fight nids cause its fun. They signed a peace treaty with dark age humanity cause they didn’t want anything to do with the bs humanity used on them. So ya
:D
This was poorly fleshed out.
They wouldnt. That would upset the setting of things being locked in a balance n constant struggle.